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From: fpm@amber.zk3.dec.com (Finnbarr P. Murphy)
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Subject: Re: Pb running/building 19.14 on DU 4.0
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Subject: Re: Building 19.14 on Digital UNIX V4.0
Keywords: 

Hi,

Here are the diffs required to build an XPG4-complient version
(XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED) of Xemacs-19.14 on Digital UNIX V4.0 
using the c89 compiler.

- Finnbarr -


diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/configure xemacs-19.14/configure
1577,1581d1576
<     CC="c89" 
<     CFLAGS="-D_XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED -D_OSF_SOURCE" 
<     CPP="cc -E" 
<     const_is_losing='no'
<     site_includes="/usr/dt/share/include/"
5216d5210
< #ifndef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
5219,5221d5212
< #else
<   gettimeofday (&time, (void *) NULL);
< #endif
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/lib-src/emacsserver.c xemacs-19.14/lib-src/emacsserver.c
1d0
< 
60c59
< #if !defined (HAVE_SYSVIPC)
---
> #if ! defined (HAVE_SYSVIPC)
77,82c76
<   int s, infd;
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
<   size_t fromlen;
< #else
<   int fromlen;
< #endif
---
>   int s, infd, fromlen;
174d167
< 
176,177c169
< 
< #if defined(HAVE_POSIX_ACCEPT) || defined(_XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED)
---
> #ifdef HAVE_POSIX_ACCEPT
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/lib-src/gnuserv.c xemacs-19.14/lib-src/gnuserv.c
650,652d649
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
<   size_t addrlen = sizeof(struct sockaddr_in);
< #else
654d650
< #endif
768,770d763
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
<   size_t len = sizeof(struct sockaddr_un);
< #else
772d764
< #endif
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/cmdloop.c xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c
546c546
< #if defined (__SUNPRO_C) || (defined (DEC_ALPHA) && defined (DEC_UNIX))
---
> #if defined (__SUNPRO_C) || (defined (DEC_ALPHA) && defined (OSF1))
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/emacs.c xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c
1413,1417d1412
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
< main (int argc, char **argv)
< {
<   char **envp = environ;
< #else
1420,1421d1414
< #endif /* _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED */
< 
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/gmalloc.c xemacs-19.14/src/gmalloc.c
119c119
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX		/* from grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu */
---
> #ifdef OSF1		/* from grunwald@foobar.cs.colorado.edu */
1316c1316
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX
---
> #ifdef OSF1
1323c1323
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX
---
> #ifdef OSF1
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/systime.h xemacs-19.14/src/systime.h
172d171
< #ifdef _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
175,180d173
<   gettimeofday (&(time), (void *) NULL);				\
<   EMACS_NORMALIZE_TIME (time);					\
< } while (0)
< #else
< #define EMACS_GET_TIME(time)					\
< do {								\
185d177
< #endif
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/termcap.c xemacs-19.14/src/termcap.c
384d383
< 
465d463
< /*FPM*/
467c465
< 	xfree ((void *) term);
---
> 	xfree (term);
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/m/alpha.h xemacs-19.14/src/m/alpha.h
33c33
< #define DEC_ALPHA      /*Digital Alpha AXP */
---
> #define DEC_ALPHA		/* Digital Alpha AXP */
39a40,45
> /* XEmacs addition: is this necessary? */
> 
> /* XEmacs: Apparently not Andrew Cohen  8/24/95 */
> /* Define how to take a char and sign-extend into an int.
>    On machines where char is signed, this is a no-op.  */
> 
55a62
> #undef NO_UNION_TYPE
114a122,123
> /* #define SYSTEM_MALLOC */
> 
133a143,149
> /* #define NO_SOCK_SIGIO */
> 
> 
> #define HAVE_X11R4
> #define HAVE_X11R5
> 
> 
145c161
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX 
---
> #ifdef OSF1
146a163
> /* Some systems seem to have this, others don't.  */
152c169
< #endif /* DEC_UNIX */
---
> #endif /* OSF1 */
154c171,181
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX 
---
> #if 0 /* Rainer Schoepf <schoepf@uni-mainz.de> says this loses with X11R6
> 	 since it has only shared libraries.  */
> #ifndef __GNUC__
> /* This apparently is for the system ld as opposed to Gnu ld.  */
> #ifdef OSF1
> #define LD_SWITCH_MACHINE      -non_shared
> #endif /* OSF1 */
> #endif /* not __GNUC__ */
> #endif /* 0 */
> 
> #ifdef OSF1
157c184
< #endif /* DEC_UNIX */
---
> #endif /* OSF1 */
170c197,212
< #ifdef DEC_UNIX 
---
> #if 0
> 
> /* XEmacs -- removed code to define XINT, etc.  This gets
>    correctly handled automatically. */
> 
> /* Declare malloc and realloc in a way that is clean.
>    But not in makefiles!  */
> 
> #ifndef NOT_C_CODE
> /* We need these because pointers are larger than the default ints.  */
> #include <alloca.h>
> #endif /* not NOT_C_CODE */
> 
> #endif /* 0 */
> 
> #ifdef OSF1
185c227
< #endif /* DEC_UNIX */
---
> #endif /* OSF1 */
206,190d247
< 
< #define LIBS_SYSTEM
< #define SYSTEM_MALLOC
< #define GETPGRP_NO_ARG
< #define C_DEBUG_SWITCH
diff -r xemacs-19.14-fpm/src/s/decosf4-0.h xemacs-19.14/src/s/decosf4-0.h
1c1
< /* FPM DECOSF4-0.h */
---
> /* Synched up with: Not in FSF. */
2a3,4
> #include "decosf3-2.h"
> 
4,8c6,7
< #include <sys/param.h>
< #include <sys/stropts.h>
< #include <alloca.h>
< #include <sys/lc_core.h>
< #include <reg_types.h>
---
> #include "/usr/include/sys/lc_core.h"
> #include "/usr/include/reg_types.h"
11,24d9
< #define SYSTEM_TYPE "Digital UNIX V4.0"
< #define DEC_UNIX
< 
< /* This to get rid of the -X that ymakefile inserts */
< #define LD_SWITCH_SYSTEM
< 
< /* XEmacs change */
< #define GMALLOC_NEEDS_SBRK_DECL
< 
< #define _NO_MALLOC_WARNING_
< #define INTERRUPTIBLE_IO
< #define BROKEN_SIGIO
< #define HAVE_SELECT
< 
41a27
> #define SYSTEM_MALLOC

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From: Herve Poirier <Herve.Poirier@grenoble.rxrc.xerox.com>
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Subject: RE: ps-print in colo(u)r
Date: 17 Sep 1996 15:52:56 +0200
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Michael,

I had the same problem and correct it by copying the default face to the
faces I was using in the buffer I wanted to print. Then I customized these
faces without changing the background color so that when I change the
background color of the default face it changes also the background color
of all the faces copied from the default face.

I add this function in my .emacs file:

(defvar old-background-color nil)
(defun toggle-background-color ()
  (interactive)
  (cond
   (old-background-color
    (set-face-background 'default old-background-color)
    (setq old-background-color nil))
   (t
    (setq old-background-color (color-name (face-background 'default)))
    (set-face-background 'default "white"))))

and I call toggle-background-color function before and after printing.

Herv=E9

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From: Michael Connell <M.Connell@swansea.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: ps-print in colo(u)r
Date: 17 Sep 1996 12:00:49 +0100
Organization: University of Wales Swansea
Message-ID: <qvd8zll82m.fsf@rsbaaa.swan.ac.uk>


Hi, I've got a question about ps-print and faces:

Is it possible to have ps-print ignore background face colours?
The problem I have is that my faces for Cmode all have a nice grey
background, but I dont want that sent to the printer, I want all the
nice *fore*ground colours, but with a white background when I print
stuff out. Any ideas anyone? TIA.


Mike.
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From: epstein@cd.com (Milt Epstein)
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Subject: recent-files for GNU Emacs?
Date: 17 Sep 1996 14:07:37 GMT
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There is a recent-files package for XEmacs, which adds a menubar item
for recently visited files (and some related functionality), but this
package as is only works with XEmacs.  Does anyone have/know of a
similar package for GNU Emacs, or if there is a version of this
package modified to work with GNU Emacs?  Thanks.

--
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From: tomaz@alibaba.ijs.si (Tomaz Erjavec)
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Subject: XEmacs 19.14 Gnus problems
Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:48:24 GMT
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XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix5.3) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on extreme

I've just installed 19.14 and gnus doesn't work in rather bizzare ways.
First it complaind that it has a wrong type of argument in 
message.el at 
(easy-menu-define message-mode-menu message-mode-map
  "Message Menu."
  '("Message"
   ...

After a bit of fiddling I found out that easy-menu-define doesn't like
the strings in the menu definition (e.g. "----"). If I chuck these
out, I can at least evaluate the expression.
But even with this patch, gnus hangs after having read (but not
displayed) the newspgroups from the server.

Now the reason I can exactly duplicate the error messages is that I
then tried a 'make' on the guns directory, hoping to cure it, and make
bombed out; I'll include the trace below. 
To confuse me further, the only thing I get now when trying to run gnus is 
'nnheader.el was compiled for Emacs 19.29 or later'. 

Can anybody help with this conundrum? 
Thanks,
Tomaz

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
alibaba 120# make
rm -f *.elc ; emacs -batch -q -no-site-file -l ./dgnushack.el -f dgnushack-compile
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/custom.elc
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/dgnushack.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-cache.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-cite.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-cus.el:
  !! File error (("Cannot open load file" "browse-url"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-demon.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-edit.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-ems.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-gl.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-kill.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-mh.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-nocem.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-salt.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-scomo.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-score.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-setup.el:
  ** assignment to free variable message-cite-function
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-setup.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-soup.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-srvr.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-topic.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-uu.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-vis.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus-vm.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/gnus.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/mailheader.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/message.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnbabyl.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndb.el:
  ** reference to free variable gnus-valid-select-methods
  ** assignment to free variable gnus-valid-select-methods
  ** The following functions are not known to be defined: 
    nnmail-expired-article-p, nndb-request-article
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndb.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndir.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndoc.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nndraft.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nneething.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnfolder.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling nnheader-mail-file-mbox-p in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnheader.el:
  ** reference to free variable message-unix-mail-delimiter
While compiling the end of the data:
  ** The following functions are not known to be defined: 
    gnus-point-at-eol, nnmail-message-id, message-remove-header
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnheader.elc
While compiling the end of the data in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnheaderems.el:
  ** The following functions are not known to be defined:  start-itimer,
    delete-itimer
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnheaderems.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnkiboze.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnmail.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnmbox.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnmh.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnml.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnoo.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnsoup.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnspool.elc
Wrote /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nntp.elc
While compiling toplevel forms in file /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/nnvirtual.el:
  !! Invalid read syntax (("#"))


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Thanks for the reply Steven.

Steven L Baur wrote:
> Mike> ;;Set up printer for postscript printing.
> Mike> (setq lpr-command "lpr")
> Mike> (setq lpr-switches '("-PcapIIg "))
> Mike> (setq ps-lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
> 
> This is a problem.  The ps-lpr-command should expect to be getting
> postscript as input.  If that's the a2ps I'm using, it converts normal
> text into postscript and (optionally) spools it to a printer.  This is
> not what you want here.
> 
> Try:
> (setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
> (setq ps-lpr-switches '("-PYourPostScriptPrinter"))
> 
> Replace YourPostScriptPrinter with the name of your local postscript
> printer.
> --

This is what I tried:
(setq lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
(setq lpr-switches '(" -p -nn"))
(setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
(setq ps-lpr-switches  '(" -PcapIIg"))
(setq ps-print-color-p nil)
 

Which still didn't work.  I guess I'm confused as to where the
postscript input for the "ps-print-buffer" command is supposed to come
from.

Did the patch you mention consist of this change to the .emacs or is
it a patch to the ps-print.elc package?

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Could someone tell me the actual ip address of www.xemacs.org and
ftp.xemacs.org? My server doesn't seem to have them.

These addresses are the ones listed in the FAQ (as posted to this
newsgroup) so I assume it is still valid.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Wiker, Raymond writes:
 > "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:
 > > I have quit using VM because it seg faults when it makes windows. 
 > > XEmacs 19.14 seems to work fine everywhere but while using VM, which I
 > > really miss.
 > 
 > 	"Don't do that, then."
 > 
 > (setq vm-frame-per-folder nil
 >       vm-frame-per-composition nil
 >       vm-frame-per-edit nil
 >       vm-frame-per-summary nil)
 > 
 > 	//Raymond.
 > 

If this is on an HP-UX machine, then a patch was submitted to this group that
fixed the problem for us.

jim


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When I am ispelling LaTeX file (Auc-TeX) ispell
stops at things like paths for included files,
command definitions and so on. It is annoying.

I wonder whether someone made ispell skipping
some part of the file.

I've found one solution in the Usenet archive,

>From           Toby Speight <tms@ansa.co.uk>
>Organization   ANSA - APM Ltd.
>Date           30 Aug 1996 11:57:30 +0100
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but it is to long and to complicated for me.

Regards,

Jacek Pliszka

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I love Xemacs except for one respect in which it differs from GNU emacs.
When I type C-x C-c (save-buffers-kill-emacs) in an emacs session
which has an emacs shell running, GNU emacs prints a message:
 Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)
This protects me from killing emacs unintentionally if I accidentally
type C-x C-c.
 But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I happen
to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed my Xemacs 
many times.
 Both GNU emacs and Xemacs have the same behavior when there are unsaved
buffers. How can I make Xemacs warn me when there are shells (or other
active processes) running under the Xemacs session? I tried playing with
hooks, but to no avail.
  
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In article <51kmj6$lst@mark.ucdavis.edu> gabor@n01.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu (Andy Gabor) writes:

> Paul GABORIT (gaborit@enstimac.fr) wrote:
> 
> >Xemacs uses ToolTalk to talk with other X clients like 'Debugger' (You have
> >Xemacs for SparcWorks).
> 
> I configured XEmacs with "--with-sparcworks" option.  Could this be the
> problem?? As I understand it Eos should work with TTYs.
> 
> Also, regarding env DISPLAY, this is not set.
> 

Tooltalk is also used in CDE, for drag&drop (I think). XEmacs 19.14 has
support for CDE drag&drop (nice feature btw), so that might also be a
source of problems.

  


> Andy
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Hi folks, 

  since a few weeks I am really addicted to programming with xemacs
v19.14, but every now and then, my xemacs crashes completely and
unexpectedly. It does not exit or terminate, but just stays on screen,
consuming *all* CPU-usertime, and nothing more happens.

Only thing left to do is simply to:
 kill -KILL `pidof xemacs`

All this happens regardless of kernel version (at least not version
2.0.7 - 2.0.20).

I am using Linux 2.0.20 on a Cyrix 5x86-100, running XFree86 v3.1.2 with
fvwm2-95 as window-manager.

Anyone know what is causing all this ?!?!?

Thanks in advance for any info reposted, Ramses.

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> But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I
> happen to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed my
> Xemacs many times.  Both GNU emacs and Xemacs have the same behavior
> when there are unsaved buffers. How can I make Xemacs warn me when
> there are shells (or other active processes) running under the
> Xemacs session? I tried playing with hooks, but to no avail.

I also would be suffering since I'd like to have the same protection.
However, I have no special hooks yet my Xemacs 19.13 never exits if I
have a subshell... IS there any chance you somehow call
save-buffers-kill-emacs with prefix?


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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com> writes:

Mike> This is what I tried:
Mike> (setq lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
Mike> (setq lpr-switches '(" -p -nn"))
Mike> (setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
Mike> (setq ps-lpr-switches  '(" -PcapIIg"))
Mike> (setq ps-print-color-p nil)
 
Mike> Which still didn't work.

Two changes right off the bat:
(setq lpr-switches '("-p" "-nn"))
(setq ps-lpr-switches '("-PcapIIg"))

That corrects the obvious problems.  if `capIIg' is the name of your
postscript printer, then lpr-switches should probably be:
(setq lpr-switches '("-p" "-nn" "-PcapIIg"))

The version of a2ps I have installed spools directly to the printer
when given a -P flag, presumably yours does as well.

Mike> I guess I'm confused as to where the postscript input for the
Mike> "ps-print-buffer" command is supposed to come from.

The postscript is generated by XEmacs, and fed to the `ps-lpr-command'.

Mike> Did the patch you mention consist of this change to the .emacs
Mike> or is it a patch to the ps-print.elc package?

The latter.  Try these changes first.  The settings you had wouldn't
work regardless.

Hope this helps.
-- 
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Tony Parent <tonyp@merlin.co.symbios.com> writes:

> Could someone tell me the actual ip address of www.xemacs.org and
> ftp.xemacs.org? My server doesn't seem to have them.
> 
> These addresses are the ones listed in the FAQ (as posted to this
> newsgroup) so I assume it is still valid.

I think you need to get your namesever fixed!

In any case, both are at: 128.174.252.16 which is also known as:
xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu. Of course, both are subject to change where the
www and ftp addresses are portable and should be used whenever
possible.
-- 
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I don't think xterm supports tooltalk, but if you are running CDE and your
xemacs (with the -nw flag ) is running in a dtterm you should be able to
use xemacs with debugger.

gaborit@enstimac.fr (Paul GABORIT) writes:

> 
> In article (Dans l'article) <51ha1e$kjc@mark.ucdavis.edu>,
> ajgabor@ucdavis.edu wrote (=E9crivait)=A0:
> 
> >When XEmacs-19.14 is fired up with -nw option (no windows) a warning
> >window appears with "Warning: unable to connect to ToolTalk server."
> 
> Xemacs uses ToolTalk to talk with other X clients like 'Debugger' (You ha=
ve
> Xemacs for SparcWorks).
> 
> ToolTalk ('ttsession') is running when X is running, not in terminal mode=
...
> 
> >I presume it still thinks that this is an xterm??  This is not
> >fatal but annoying - anyway to fix?
> 
> May be an option... I don't know.
> 

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Stephen Eglen <stephene@cogs.susx.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> Michael Roesler <miker@lamrc.com> writes:
> > 
> > I get tired of remembering to type C-c C-f C-r to get a "reply-to" line 
> > in VM.
> > 
> > How can I automatically get "reply-to" to be inserted in the header 
> > of a VM mail message?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     ...Mike Roesler  miker@lamrc.com
> > 
> 
> Use:
> (setq mail-default-reply-to (getenv "REPLYTO"))
> if your env variable REPLYTO is set,
> or just
> (setq mail-default-reply-to "miker@lamrc.com")
> 
> which should work.
> 
> Cheers, Stephen

This works fine for VM, but there is no similar for GNUS. I.e., there is no
variable called

gnus-default-reply-to

and composing a message in GNUS does not insert the REPLYTO X-windows
variable. Why not? I need it.

thnx

--
rick

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From: Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com>
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Subject: Re: printing under xemacs (19.14)
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> Two changes right off the bat:
> (setq lpr-switches '("-p" "-nn"))
> (setq ps-lpr-switches '("-PcapIIg"))

Thanks again.  I WAS able to get this to work for my machine.
Using "ps-print-buffer".
(my a2ps didn't support the "-P" option)

(setq lpr-command "/usr/local/bin/a2ps")
(setq lpr-switches '("-n"))
(setq ps-lpr-command "lpr")
(setq ps-lpr-switches  '("-PcapIIg"))
(setq ps-print-color-p nil)

So my next question is why doesn't my "lpr-switches" variable
work.  I've changed it to several different options and
none seem to have any effect.  Any thoughts?
(For example, the -n should cause line numbers to be printed, which
is definitely not doing.)

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tomaz@alibaba.ijs.si (Tomaz Erjavec) writes:

> I've just installed 19.14 and gnus doesn't work in rather bizzare ways.
> First it complaind that it has a wrong type of argument in 
> message.el at 
> (easy-menu-define message-mode-menu message-mode-map

This probably means that you have an old version of easymenu.el
installed somewhere in your load path.  `M-x locate-library RET
easymenu RET' to find the offending file.  Delete it.

> Now the reason I can exactly duplicate the error messages is that I
> then tried a 'make' on the guns directory, hoping to cure it, and make
> bombed out; I'll include the trace below. 
> To confuse me further, the only thing I get now when trying to run gnus is 
> 'nnheader.el was compiled for Emacs 19.29 or later'. 

Yes, "make" will compile using Emacs, not XEmacs.  "make EMACS=xemacs"
will compile using XEmacs.

-- 
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OK this brings up an interesting point.

For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.

Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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Xianfeng Ni <x.ni@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> Hi, does anybody know how to build MATLAB mode or how to create a new
> mode for a new style file in xemacs?
> 

Check out matlab-mode, written by Matt Wette. Available at
 
 ftp://ftp.mathworks.com/pub/contrib/tools/matlab-mode.el-1.07.6

/Anders

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Hi,

This problem has actually already been posted by Holger Bauer <bauer@itsm.uni-stuttgart.de> but
no answers were received yet so I take my chance asking again.

Occasionally (I didn't manage yet to determine in which precise occasion) when checking a modified 
file in, XEmacs asks whether one wants to revert it to the file on disk or not as if one didn't 
touched the locked file.  Whatever the answer one gives to this question (which btw does not seem 
clear to me, so feel free to explain it), the recent changes are gone (actually even before 
answering the question).  This seems to be a buggy behavior of the VC package whithin XEmacs, since 
Holger is successfully running it under FSF Emacs 19.31.

Could any of you help me ?  I really like XEmacs and I'm not ready to got back to FSF Emacs just 
for this 'detail'.

Serge.

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From: Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com>
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Subject: Re: Some X-Face headers confuse font-lock in VM
Date: 18 Sep 1996 09:42:27 -0400
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"Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
 
> I have traced the problem to the presence of 'X-Face:' headers whose
> contents (the encoded picture) contains a single '"' character. My
> own X-Face has it, as well as Steven L. Baur's.

I've noticed a perhaps related problem: when I send 'X-Face'd mail to
Sun dtmail and PC eudora users, the receiving mailer core dumps or
otherwise complains.

Is X-Face rfc compliant?  Should it be gracefully ignored by?
If anyone can point me to chapter and verse on this I'd appreciate it.

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From: Johannes Link <j.link@dkfz-heidelberg.de>
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Hi!

Does anybody use or know of a Cml-mode for emacs/Xemacs?

CML ist the Concept Modelling Language of CommonKADS methodology.

Thanx in advance

Johannes
-- 
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Mark Mostow <mostow@watson.ibm.com> writes:
> I love Xemacs except for one respect in which it differs from GNU emacs.
> When I type C-x C-c (save-buffers-kill-emacs) in an emacs session
> which has an emacs shell running, GNU emacs prints a message:
>  Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)
> This protects me from killing emacs unintentionally if I accidentally
> type C-x C-c.
>  But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I happen
> to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed my Xemacs 
> many times.
>  Both GNU emacs and Xemacs have the same behavior when there are unsaved
> buffers. How can I make Xemacs warn me when there are shells (or other
> active processes) running under the Xemacs session? I tried playing with
> hooks, but to no avail.

This will not check for any subprocesses running, but it at least makes
your C-x C-c interactive.  Put this in your .emacs:

(defun els-exit ()
  "Function to ask for \"y/n\" before exiting.  This ensures we do not
accidently exit."
  (interactive)
  (if (y-or-n-p "Exit? ")
      (save-buffers-kill-emacs))
  ) 

;; Change the binding of C-x C-c, which normally exits emacs.
              ;; It's easy to hit this by mistake, and that can be annoying.
              (global-set-key "\C-x\C-c" 'els-exit)

-jeff

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-- 
Van P. Trinh                    
Siemens Rolm Communications Inc.
Santa Clara, CA (408)492-2092   

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In article <kigybic50ur.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

>From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
>Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
>Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:54:20 +0200
>Organization: SRCE Zagreb, Croatia
>X-URL: ftp://gnjilux.cc.fer.hr/pub/unix/util/geturl/geturl.tar.gz
>
>Gary Ebert (gary@duckboy.rdss.com) wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a way other than M-x line-number-mode to display all line
>> numbers along the side of the window (like vi) instead of just the
>> number of the line that you are currently on.  It seemes to me that this
>> was possible with "vanilla" emacs but I can't remember the command :-(
>
>AFAIK no emacs could do that, not even vi emulations within it (try
>:set nu).
>
 

You could try this:
C-x h (to mark the region, in this case it's the buffer)
C-u M-| nl (run shell command nl on the marked bufer)

P.S. This works in Xemacs 19.13. Oh, sorry about the previous empty reply.

Van
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Van P. Trinh                    
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From: Paul Furnanz <paulf@wv.mentorg.com>
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I have some code that makes frame-title-format buffer local, and then
sets it differently for different modes.  This is nice because my title
bar can contain more information (like directory in shell-mode, etc).  

In 19.13, this worked great.  In 19.14, the frame-title-format of one
buffer affects other frames as well.  All currently visible frames are
displayed with the frame-title-format of the selected frame.  If I move
my cursor to a different frame with a different format, then all frames
are updated with that new format.

Any ideas why this changed in 19.14?  Looks like the redisplay engine
gets the frame-title-format for the currently selected frame and uses
that value for all visible frames.  Anybody have a patch for this?

The relevant elisp looks like this:

(make-variable-buffer-local 'frame-title-format)

... In a function that tracks directory changes for shells
  (if jsh-title-bar
      (setq frame-title-format (concat host ":" dir)))

--------
Paul Furnanz                       Phone:  (503) 685-7000 (ext.1731) 
Mentor Graphics Corporation        Email:  paulf@wv.mentorg.com 

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>>>>> Jim Searle writes:

 jims> If this is on an HP-UX machine, then a patch was submitted to
 jims> this group that fixed the problem for us.

Could someone please recompile the HP binaries with the patch (I
believe it was strlen, right?) and put those on the ftp sites?  Either
that or donate a disk to me and I'll do it.


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From: des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott)
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Subject: Re: Q: Mousepointer jumping
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In article <32393EB5.41C67EA6@ti.uni-trier.de>,
	Christian Stangier <stangier@ti.uni-trier.de> writes:
> I am using Xemacs 19.11.
> My problem is:
> Every time I move the cursor with the mousepointer to a new position,
> the mousepointer moves away from this position to another line in the
> text.
> 
> Is this a bug?
> Can it be avoided?
> Sorry I have no manual!

It sounds like you have mouse avoidance mode activated - it's not a bug,
but a package which stops the mouse pointer obscuring what you type. 
(I don't like it either :-)

Check your .emacs for something like:

  (cond (window-system)
    (require 'avoid)
    (mouse-avoidance-mode 'animate))

...and get rid of it.  If it's a site-wide thing (i.e everyone gets it
by default), you could switch it off with:

  (mouse-avoidance-mode 'none)

Hope I'm on the right track here.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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From: sandvik@engr.sgi.com (Kent Sandvik)
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I would like to customize the default java-mode (cc-mode), as the class and
public/private/protected stack up under each other, as in:

public class Foo{
public int afield;
public void aMethod(){
  // do something
}
};

Instead I want:

public class Foo {
  public int afield;
  public void aMethod() {
     // do something
  }
}

How is this done the best way? I wasn't sure about the relationship between
cc-mode, c/c++ settings and java-mode. Could I switch to one of the default
settings somehow (ellemtel or such) and at the same time the Java mode
changes?


Thx, Kent



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Ok, this is probably a lame question but I can't seem to figure out
the answer...

When I set a mark (with C-spc or C-@) and I do any cursor movement
except with the arrow keys it removes my mark.  For instance, I'd like
to be able to set a mark, hit C-E to go to the end of the line, and
then have the entire line marked.  Similarily, I'd like to be able to
mark words, etc. with the forward-word stuff, but every time I do a
movement command it erases the mark.

What have I got set wrong?

TIA.

-- Gary F.

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(Hal Manuel <HEManuel@ESY.Com> -- This answers your question as well).
>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
Mark> OK this brings up an interesting point.
Mark> For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
Mark> a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.

Yes, but it will require a little more work.  As an added bonus, I'll
give you three ways to do it. :-)

First off, if you want the name of the buffer in lpr-switches, you
probably don't want a global lpr-switches, so add this to your .emacs:

(make-variable-buffer-local 'lpr-switches)

and change your setting of lpr-switches like this:
(setq lpr-switches ...)
becomes
(setq-default lpr-switches ...)

Next, you need a function like this:
(defun my-set-lpr-switches ()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the file being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
    (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-f" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))


This assumes a -f flag makes sense for whatever you're using as an
lpr-command, adjust to suit.  If you wish to use the buffer name and
not the file you're visiting, use (buffer-name) instead.

For each major mode you wish to add this information to do something
like:
(add-hook 'tcl-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
etc.

The second possibility is to only make the variable buffer local where
you customize it.  To do that take out the (make-variable-buffer-local

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>>>>> "Mikel" == Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca> writes:

Mikel> On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Yan Pujante wrote:
Yan> I have the following problem:

Yan> When I am editing a file with xemacs, if I modify it outside of
Yan> xemacs (for example 'touch filename'), and if I keep on editing
Yan> after, xemacs doesn't warn me about the change of the filename
Yan> until I want to save, which is quite annoying.

Yan> NB: emacs warned me as soon as I started to modify it again.

Mikel> This is the emacs normal behavior :

And should be normal XEmacs behavior as well (that's the way it works
for me on Linux 2.0).  Perhaps your XEmacs was compiled without
CLASH_DETECTION enabled?

Go to the directory where you built XEmacs and take a look at the file
src/config.h.  The one here looks something like:

#define HAVE_LONG_FILE_NAMES 1

#ifdef HAVE_LONG_FILE_NAMES
#define CLASH_DETECTION
#endif

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>>>>> "Dmitry" == Dmitry Nizhegorodov <dnizhego@us.oracle.com> writes:

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Mostow <mostow@watson.ibm.com> wrote:

Mark> But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I
Mark> happen to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed
Mark> my Xemacs many times.  Both GNU emacs and Xemacs have the same
Mark> behavior when there are unsaved buffers. How can I make Xemacs
Mark> warn me when there are shells (or other active processes)
Mark> running under the Xemacs session? I tried playing with hooks,
Mark> but to no avail.

It should be doing this by default.  Since both emacsen are exhibiting
unusual and wrong behavior I'd look for something being run in .emacs
or in your site lisp file.

Dmitry> I also would be suffering since I'd like to have the same
Dmitry> protection.  However, I have no special hooks yet my Xemacs
Dmitry> 19.13 never exits if I have a subshell... IS there any chance
Dmitry> you somehow call save-buffers-kill-emacs with prefix?

I have never liked the way save-buffers-kill-emacs works, it's just
too easy to slip and execute it by accident (even when the keybinding
is removed, alas).

I've always used a wrapper function that now looks something like:

(defadvice save-buffers-kill-emacs (around save-buffers-kill-emacs freeze)
  "Killing XEmacs is usually an unwise thing to do.
Make it just a little bit harder to do by accident."
  (interactive "P")
  (when (or (and (fboundp 'yes-or-no-p-minibuf)
		 (yes-or-no-p-minibuf "Really exit XEmacs? "))
	    (yes-or-no-p "Really exit GNU Emacs? "))
    ad-do-it))

For XEmacs 19.13 and GNU Emacs, add a
(require 'cl)
above it as well if you have not already done so.

[yes-or-no-p-minibuf is an XEmacsism to avoid the stupid dialog box
when a function is selected by mouse click]
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> (let ((custom-types-keywords '()))
>         (mapcar '(lambda (name)
>             (setq custom-types-keywords
>                                     (cons (list (concat "[ \t\n(]\\(" name "\\)[ \t\n;)]") 1 'font-lock-type-face)
>                                     custom-types-keywords)))
>                       mP-cc-font-lock-additional-types)
>         (setq mP-cc-font-lock-keywords (append custom-types-keywords
>                                                                        c++-font-lock-keywords-2)))
> 


One other problem that I've noticed is that the above doesn't
include when the new type is in delimination characters.
This is specifically a problem when something like 

   Vector<int>

where int is highlighted, but Vector isn't (unless there is
a space after the 'r', then it is).  Adding '(',')','<','>'
to the list of deliniation characters worked out just fine.

Thanks for your efforts.

Scott Nelson

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Toggling the screen elements is useful for getting more screen space.
Toggling the scrollbars or the toolbar from the default menus changes
the frame size. I don't think that it should, as the point of turning
these features off is to get more text space.

I put together the follow (some code borrowed) to fix this problem. I
bound these to the following keystrokes (all to the leftmost key of
the ones in the far upper right on the sun keyboards).

Justin


--- begin lisp code ---

(global-set-key `[(SunAudioMute)] 'my-toggle-eye-candy)
(global-set-key `[(control SunAudioMute)] 'my-toggle-toolbar)
(global-set-key `[(meta SunAudioMute)] 'my-toggle-scrollbar)
(global-set-key `[(SunVideoDegauss)] 'my-toggle-menubar)


;; Toggle frame elements

(defmacro my-toggle-boolean-specifier (s prefix-arg)
  (if (fboundp 'boolean-specifier-p)
      `(and
        (boundp (quote ,s))
        (boolean-specifier-p ,s)
        (set-specifier
         ,s
         (cond
          ((= ,prefix-arg 1) ; my-toggle
           (not (specifier-instance ,s)))
          ((> ,prefix-arg 1) t)
          (t nil))))
    nil))

(defmacro my-toggle-numeric-specifier (s non-zero-value prefix-arg)
  (if (fboundp 'natnum-specifier-p)
      `(and
        (boundp (quote ,s))
        (or (natnum-specifier-p  ,s)
            (integer-specifier-p ,s))
        (set-specifier
         ,s
         (cond
          ((= ,prefix-arg 1) ; my-toggle
           (if (zerop (specifier-instance ,s)) ,non-zero-value 0))
          ((> ,prefix-arg 1) ,non-zero-value)
          (t 0))))
    nil))

(defconst my-toolbar-height 3 "toolbar bar height for toggling")

(defun my-toggle-menubar (arg)
  (interactive "p")
  (my-toggle-boolean-specifier menubar-visible-p arg)
  (if (not (specifier-instance menubar-visible-p))
      (set-frame-height (window-frame) (+ (frame-height) 1))
      )      
)

(defun my-toggle-scrollbar (arg)
  (interactive "p")
   (my-toggle-numeric-specifier scrollbar-width 15 arg)
  (my-toggle-numeric-specifier scrollbar-height 15 arg)
  (if (= (specifier-instance scrollbar-width) 0)
        (set-frame-size (window-frame) (+ (frame-width) 1) (+ (frame-height) 1))
      (set-frame-size (window-frame) (- (frame-width) 1) (- (frame-height) 1))
      )
)

(defun my-toggle-toolbar (arg)
  (interactive "p")
  (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p 
                 (not (specifier-instance default-toolbar-visible-p)))
  (if (specifier-instance default-toolbar-visible-p)
      (set-frame-height (window-frame) (- (frame-height) my-toolbar-height))
      (set-frame-height (window-frame) (+ (frame-height) my-toolbar-height))
      )      
)

(defun my-toggle-eye-candy (arg)
  (interactive "p")
  (my-toggle-menubar arg)
  (my-toggle-toolbar arg)
;;  (my-toggle-numeric-specifier modeline-shadow-thickness 2 arg)
  (my-toggle-scrollbar arg)
  )

;;  (defun display-image-in-buffer (file)
;;    "Puts the image contained in the file in the current buffer"
;;    (interactive "f")
;;    (let ((IT (make-glyph-internal)))	;; IT, a la Stephen King
;;      (set-glyph-property IT 'image file) ;; not as in ITaly
;;      (make-annotation IT nil 'text)))


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From: Oleg Krivosheev <kriol@fnal.gov>
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Subject: Is there a vrml-[1.0|2.0] mode?
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Hi, All

is there vrml mode for (X)Emacs with indent,
syntax highlighting etc?

i've looked into the standard Emacs-19.34 distribution
adn didn't find anything.

cheers

OK

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"Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
+> 
+> Recently I complained about font-lock misbehaving in VM. ..

I have a completely seperate question though it does involve font-lock
and VM.  I've got the following in my .emacs

       (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (mail-mode . 5000)))

And as expected if I have a large c file font-lock doesn't kick in.
It still does in VM however.  Anyone have an idea why?

--jp

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From: njsf@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt (NELSON JOSE DOS SANTOS FERREIRA (leic))
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Subject: Caching font information for ps-print
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	Hi! 

	I browsed the XEmacs FAQ and didn't find answer to this....

	Is there any way to cache faces information used in
	ps-print  for later use (overriding lookup) ?

	The problem is I usually work on a DEC VT1300 running a
	X11R4 X server (which I could not find a way to upgrade...),
	and it fails to give accurate answers to ps-print when it is
	querying for face attributes.
	BTW it works in other X terminals so it shouldn't be installation/
	configuration problems...

	The ideia is to save the values gathered in other X terminal
	where ps-print works correctly and load this information at
	startup.

	TIA,
		Nelson

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Xemacs has crashed on me 3 times today.  It did this when I first
upgraded, stopped for a month, and then came back.  I think it may
have something to do with font-lock, fume-menu and/or VM.  

Here's the console ouput:
libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait() (PID: 7041 LWP 2)
stacktrace:
        ef31ac14
        ef31ca10
        ef3b3cec
        0
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait() (PID: 7210 LWP 2)
stacktrace:
        ef31ac14
        ef31ca10
        ef3b3cec
        0
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
Warning: Unable to load any usable fontset
libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait() (PID: 7361 LWP 2)
stacktrace:
        ef31ac14
        ef31ca10
        ef3b3cec
        0
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
_signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
 

I'm running the following system:

SunOS lucy 5.5 Generic sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-5

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From: Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca>
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Subject: Q: Prompt for printer name
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Hi folks,

is it possible to force XEmacs to prompt for printer name before printing
a buffer.

Thanks,
Slava
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From: Ryan Watkins <vamp@shellx.best.com>
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Subject: Re: Is there a vrml-[1.0|2.0] mode?
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:29:46 -0700
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Oleg Krivosheev <kriol@fnal.gov> writes:

> is there vrml mode for (X)Emacs with indent,
> syntax highlighting etc?
> 
> i've looked into the standard Emacs-19.34 distribution
> adn didn't find anything.

There is in XEmacs 19.14, courtesy Ben Wing.

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From: neely@motherlode.llnl.gov (Rob Neely)
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>When I use gdb under xemacs (19.13), 
>the ^C^C, i.e. gdb-control-c-subjob, which should interrupt the C
>process by sending a control-C, does not work. Even if I try M-x
>gdb-control-c-subjob, still no effect...

I've had the same problem - but always use the pop-up menu in the gdb
frame (mouse-3).  That seems to work fine for me.

--Rob

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: frame-title-format problems w/multiple frames in 19.14
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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Furnanz <paulf@wv.mentorg.com> writes:

Paul> Any ideas why this changed in 19.14?  Looks like the redisplay engine
Paul> gets the frame-title-format for the currently selected frame and uses
Paul> that value for all visible frames.  Anybody have a patch for this?

This is a bug that should be fixed in 19.15.  In the meantime, if your
are sufficiently clever and determined, you can put variable names
into the (global) frame-title-format, and those variables can have
buffer-local values.
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[The first copy got munged by the Netscape INN server, thank you Netscape!]

(Hal Manuel <HEManuel@ESY.Com> -- This answers your question as well).
>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
Mark> OK this brings up an interesting point.
Mark> For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
Mark> a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.

Yes, but it will require a little more work.  As an added bonus, I'll
give you three ways to do it. :-)

First off, if you want the name of the buffer in lpr-switches, you
probably don't want a global lpr-switches, so add this to your .emacs:

(make-variable-buffer-local 'lpr-switches)

and change your setting of lpr-switches like this:
(setq lpr-switches ...)
becomes
(setq-default lpr-switches ...)

Next, you need a function like this:
(defun my-set-lpr-switches ()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the file being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
    (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-f" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))


This assumes a -f flag makes sense for whatever you're using as an
lpr-command, adjust to suit.  If you wish to use the buffer name and
not the file you're visiting, use (buffer-name) instead.

For each major mode you wish to add this information to do something
like:
(add-hook 'tcl-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
etc.

The second possibility is to only make the variable buffer local where
you customize it.  To do that take out the (make-variable-buffer-local
[Netscape bug fodder]...) from .emacs, change the setq-default back to
setq, and modify my-set-lpr-switches to read:

(defun my-set-lpr-switches ()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the file being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
    (make-variable-buffer-local 'lpr-switches)
    (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-f" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))

Both of these methods will work with any Emacs back to Emacs v18.

Here's another way to do it without all the add-hooks.  This method
also works with GNU Emacs 19.34.

Add to .emacs:
(make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
(put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)

And add the single hook:
(add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)

And use the first version of my-set-lpr-switches.

The `change-major-mode-hook' is run every time a major mode is set on
a buffer (it's actually when (kill-all-local-variables) is executed,
but is effectively the same thing).

-- 
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Subject: configuring TWO nntp servers in gnus: help

i can access 2 nntp servers: one is the other side of the campus, one
is in Pisa, 400km from here

our server is fast, or at least is fast our connection, but it is a
bit unreliable, especially when posting: several times it did not
propagate an article i posted (no, i'd prefer not to speak to the guys
that administer the server)

Pisa server, otherwise, is rather slow, but very reliable

in the best of worlds that i can afford, i'd use the campus server to
read news, and Pisa server to post

is it possible to configure gnus to perform as i request?

thanks in advance, ciao
                                                gb

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> 
> (Hal Manuel <HEManuel@ESY.Com> -- This answers your question as well).
> >>>>> "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
> Mark> OK this brings up an interesting point.
> Mark> For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
> Mark> a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.
> 
> Yes, but it will require a little more work.  As an added bonus, I'll
> give you three ways to do it. :-)
> 
> First off, if you want the name of the buffer in lpr-switches, you
> probably don't want a global lpr-switches, so add this to your .emacs:
> 
> (make-variable-buffer-local 'lpr-switches)
> 
> and change your setting of lpr-switches like this:
> (setq lpr-switches ...)
> becomes
> (setq-default lpr-switches ...)
> 
> Next, you need a function like this:
> (defun my-set-lpr-switches ()
>   "Set lpr-switches based on the file being visited."
>   (when buffer-file-name
>     (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-f" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches)=
)))
> 
> 
> This assumes a -f flag makes sense for whatever you're using as an
> lpr-command, adjust to suit.  If you wish to use the buffer name and
> not the file you're visiting, use (buffer-name) instead.
> 
> For each major mode you wish to add this information to do something
> like:
> (add-hook 'tcl-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
> (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
> etc.
> 
> The second possibility is to only make the variable buffer local where
> you customize it.  To do that take out the (make-variable-buffer-local

I think it would be even better to rewrite lpr-buffer so it accepts more
generic arguments in the lpr-switches list. For example, if a switch is a
symbol, evaluate it as a function. If it is a string, insert it
unchanged. (This approach is used in ps-print. See the documentation of
ps-left-header) 

It would then be possible to define lpr-command/lpr-switches as

(setq lpr-command "filep")
(setq lpr-switches '("-d" "inge" "-s" buffer-name))

/Anders

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>>>>> "JP" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

  JP> "Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
  JP> +> 
  JP> +> Recently I complained about font-lock misbehaving in VM. ..

  JP> I have a completely seperate question though it does involve font-lock
  JP> and VM.  I've got the following in my .emacs

  JP>     (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (mail-mode . 5000)))

  JP> And as expected if I have a large c file font-lock doesn't kick in.
  JP> It still does in VM however.  Anyone have an idea why?

VM does-not use font-lock for its hiliting but a package called
highlight-headers

Oscar

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Subject: random idea for 19.16 (15?)

XEmacs is often praised for the ease of use the toolbar provides

today, to access the toolbar i need a full emacs frame, but many tasks
that are done using the toolbar are not related to the buffer
currently shown in that frame

i propose that when i iconify/kill the last visible frame, XEmacs pops
up a little window, with its logo and the toolbar icons that trigger
actions not related to a specific buffer, like find-file, dired, vm,
gnus, info, etc, a bit like this (just substitute logo/bitmaps for
words

   +----+----+----+----+----+----+
   | XE |File|Dir |Mail|News|Info|
   +----+----+----+----+----+----+

i know that the equivalent behaviour could be attained using gnulient
and any decent window manager, and indeed i do... but it could be nice
"for the rest of us"

comments?

ciao
					gb

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If I run the following:

/usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13 -q -l .emacs-not-there -font 8x16
/usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14 -q -l .emacs-not-there -font 8x16

I get completely different font sizes in 19.13 and 19.14.  If I pull
down the options menu, both version of Xemacs think they are using
fixed font with size 12.  But 19.14 is too small for me to read when
running on a smaller monitor.

Can anyone tell me what is different between the two?

Thanks,
--jp

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From: Peter Pongracz <P.A.Pongracz@ieee.org>
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Subject: 19.14: gnuserv dies after loading, but used to work
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gnuserv used to run fine, about one week ago. I'm using the binary
distrib of xemacs 19.14 for sunos4.1.3, running on a Sparc 10. 
Even with no .emacs file, and told to ignore global .emacs inits, 
it dies. I made one mod to cmacexp.el, but I don't think that was it.
Our sysadmins did some major filesystem maintenance over the weekend
that it broke, but I'm at a loss for why that should make a difference.

Here's the dump (in reverse order):
Server subprocess exited
Loading gnuserv...done
Loading gnuserv...
Loading cl-extra...done
Loading cl-extra...

uname -a: SunOS jupiter 4.1.4 1 sun4m
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3) of Fri Jun 28 1996 on gold

I can't stand not having gnuclient working! Thanks for any assistance,
pointers on what to look at. I'm new to emacs, but experienced in unix
(recent v* convert, love that viper).

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>>>>> "KS" == Kent Sandvik <sandvik@engr.sgi.com> writes:

    KS> How is this done the best way? I wasn't sure about the
    KS> relationship between cc-mode, c/c++ settings and
    KS> java-mode. Could I switch to one of the default settings
    KS> somehow (ellemtel or such) and at the same time the Java mode
    KS> changes?

There is a separate "java" style that is applied automatically when
you enter java-mode.  The best thing to do is to probably just
override the couple of default settings of that style in your
java-mode-hook, by using c-set-offset.

-Barry

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Regarding getting a reply-to line in VM mail messages, it was suggested to:

> Use:
> (setq mail-default-reply-to (getenv "REPLYTO"))
> if your env variable REPLYTO is set,
> or just
> (setq mail-default-reply-to "miker@lamrc.com")
> 

This works fine for VM, but there is no similar for GNUS. I.e., there is no
variable called

gnus-default-reply-to

and composing a message in GNUS does not insert the REPLYTO X-windows
variable. Why not? I need it.

thnx

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I'm trying to build Xemacs-19.14 on a Digital UNIX V4.0A platform. I
have seen Michel Jouvin's postings about the getopt.c compilation
problems and the 'all: :' and '.el c' problems in the Makefiles.
(Merci beaucoup, Michel !!).

But, even after all of that, I keep getting a nastygram from 'make'
saying that in src/Makefile, I'm missing a separator on line 50.
This appears to be the line after a horrendously long line that
has all of the lisp modules delineated. When I try to edit the Makefile
under vi, it barfs because the line is more than 2048 characters long.
The CDE text editor fares slightly better, but it's unclear to me
what make is complaining about, unless it's simply that the line is
too long for make as it is for vi.

Can anyone offer some hints on how to make this Makefile slightly
more palatable? Can/Should I try to break the lisp line into smaller
chunks by defining new variables and then combining them or will that
break something? (The README's and other documents seem to imply that
the way those modules are stuck together is fairly critical; I'm not
familiar enough with this stuff to judge - I just want to use Xemacs!).

Thanks,

Bayard
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CC: support@pure, support@cygnus.com
Subject: Q: How to build a purified version of XEmacs
From: Oliver Imbusch <flabes@inform-ac.com>
Organization: INFORM GmbH, Aachen, Germany
Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01.

Every now and then, my XEmacs chrashes for no obvious reasons. Worse
yet, gdb sometimes doesn't show a backtrace but comes up with a
`cannot access memory at address xxx' message.

To track down the problem, I tried to build a purified version, which
didn't work. The output of

  rm src/[tx]emacs; make CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' >& make-log 

is quite lengthy (~400K), so here comes only the best of.

Environment:

        OS:      sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1
        XEmacs:  19.14
        gcc:     CYGNUS 2.7-96q3
        gdb:     CYGNUS 4.15.2-96q3
	purify:  4.0-beta-L3

If somebody wants to see the complete log, core files, temacs.pv, etc,
just drop me a mail.

Ciao
	Oliver
----------------------------------------------------------------------
make: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14'
Producing `src/paths.h' from `src/paths.h.in'.
rm -f src/paths.h.tmp
chmod 0644 src/paths.h.tmp
src/paths.h is unchanged
cd lib-src; /usr/progressive/bin/make all --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -- CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc \
	CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='/usr/progressive/bin/make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lib-src'
cd lwlib; /usr/progressive/bin/make all --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -- CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc \
	CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='/usr/progressive/bin/make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
cd dynodump; /usr/progressive/bin/make all --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -- CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc \
	CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='/usr/progressive/bin/make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
cd src; /usr/progressive/bin/make all --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -- CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc \
	CC='purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc' CFLAGS='-g -O ' MAKE='/usr/progressive/bin/make'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src'
cd ../lwlib; /usr/progressive/bin/make --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -I /home/flabes/common/make -- MAKE=/usr/progressive/bin/make CFLAGS=-g\ -O\  CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/lwlib'
cd ../dynodump; /usr/progressive/bin/make --warn-undefined-variables -wI /home/flabes/common/make -I /home/flabes/common/make -- MAKE=/usr/progressive/bin/make CFLAGS=-g\ -O\  CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc CC=purify\ -best-effort\ -chain-length=128\ -windows=no\ gcc
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/dynodump'
purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no gcc -g -O      -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/dt/lib  -L/usr/openwin/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib  -L /usr/ccs/lib `./prefix-args -Xlinker  ` -R /usr/openwin/lib -L /usr/openwin/lib -R /usr/dt/lib -L /usr/dt/lib  	      	  -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o bytecode.o 	callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o 	cmds.o console.o console-stream.o 	data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o 	doprnt.o dynarr.o 	editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o 	event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o 	faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o 	frame.o 	general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o  	hash.o 	indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o 	keymap.o 	lread.o lstream.o 	macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o   	    	objects.o opaque.o 	print.o process.o profile.o pure.o 	rangetab.o   redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o 	scrol!
 lbar.o  search.o signal.o sound.o sunplay.o  specifier.o 	strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o 	toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  	undo.o unexsol2.o  	console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o    	window.o terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o        /usr/demo/SOUND/lib/libaudio.a        	  -llw -lXm -lXpm -lcompface -ljpeg -lpng -lz    -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11       	-lsocket -lnsl -lkvm -lelf -lgen -ldl    -ltermlib      	-lgdbm        -lm    	 
Purify 4.0-beta-L3 of 19:57 Tue 20 Aug 96 Solaris 2, Copyright (C) 1992-1996 Pure Software Inc. All rights reserved. 
Instrumenting: libgcc.a....
Purify engine: While processing file /usr/cygnus/progressive-96q3/H-sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1/lib/gcc-lib/sparc-sun-solaris2.5.1/2.7-96q3/libgcc.a(_bb.o):
Warning: Found untested reloc type R_SPARC_GOT10 at location 0x12c4 (section 1),
apparently pointing to offset 0xfffffff8.

  [snip]

.......................................... libgcc.a....
Purify engine: Warning: Found untested reloc type R_SPARC_GOT10 at location 0x12c4 (section 1),
apparently pointing to offset 0xfffffff8.

  [snip]

.......................................... data17408common_defs.o Linking
ld: warning: symbol `ProbBuf' has differing types:
	(file /usr/local/pure/purify/cache/usr/local/lib/libcompface_pure_p9_c0_108201957_551.a(uncompface.o) type=NOTY; file /tmp/data17408common_defs_pure_p9_c0_108201957.o type=OBJT);
	/tmp/data17408common_defs_pure_p9_c0_108201957.o definition taken

  [ big snip]

EMACSLOADPATH="/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump
****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413 at Thu Sep 19 19:26:00 1996)
  * Purify 4.0-beta-L3 of 19:57 Tue 20 Aug 96 Solaris 2, Copyright (C) 1992-1996 Pure Software Inc. All rights reserved. 
  * For contact information type: "purify -help"
  * Command-line: ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump 
  * Options settings: -purify -best-effort -chain-length=128 -windows=no \
    -purify-home=/usr/local/pure/purify 
  * PureLA: Purify license expires 27-Sep-1996.
  * Purify licensed to Purify Evaluation User
  * Purify checking enabled.

Loading loadup.el...
Using load-path (/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim)
Loading backquote...
Loading bytecomp-runtime...
Loading subr...
Loading replace...
Loading version.el...
Loading cl...
Loading cl-defs...
Loading cmdloop...
Loading keymap...
Loading syntax...
Loading device...
Loading console...
Loading obsolete...
Loading specifier...
Loading faces...
Loading glyphs...
Loading objects...
Loading extents...
Loading events...
Loading text-props...
Loading process...
Loading frame...
Loading map-ynp...
Loading simple...
Loading keydefs...
Loading abbrev...
Loading derived...
Loading minibuf...
Loading list-mode...
Loading modeline...
Loading loaddefs...
Loading misc...
Loading profile...
Loading help...
Loading files...
Loading lib-complete...
Loading format...
Loading indent...
Loading isearch-mode...
Loading buffer...
Loading buff-menu...
Loading undo-stack...
Loading window...
Loading paths.el...
Loading startup...
Loading lisp...
Loading page...
Loading register...
Loading iso8859-1...
Loading paragraphs...
Loading lisp-mode...
Loading text-mode...
Loading fill...
Loading cc-mode...
Loading float-sup...
Loading itimer...
Loading toolbar...
Loading scrollbar...
Loading menubar...
Loading dialog...
Loading gui...
Loading mode-motion...
Loading mouse...
Loading x-menubar...
Loading x-faces...
Loading x-iso8859-1...
Loading x-mouse...
Loading x-select...
Loading x-scrollbar...
Loading x-misc...
Loading x-init...
Loading x-toolbar...
Loading tty-init...
Loading vc-hooks...
Loading ediff-hook...
Loading fontl-hooks...
Loading auto-show...
Finding pointers to doc strings...
Finding pointers to doc strings...done
Dumping under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-XEmacs
Purespace usage: 635936 of 638000 (100%).
                           total:   bytes:
   cons cells:             12641   101128  16%
   float objects:             10      160   0%
   symbol-name strings:     7676   205332  32%
   compiled-function objects: 1670    53440   8%
   byte-code strings:       1670   105644  17%
   byte-constant vectors:   1670    74648  12%
   interactive strings:      298     5888   1%
   documentation strings:      0        0   0%
   other function strings:  1868    60664  10%
   other vectors:            259     6932   1%
   other strings:            526    22088   3%
   all strings:            12038   399616  63%
   all vectors:             1929    81580  13%
****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
SBR: Stack array bounds read:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	garbage_collect_1 [alloc.o]
	Fgarbage_collect [alloc.o]
	report_pure_usage [alloc.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Reading 5008 bytes from 0xefffdfc7.
  * Frame pointer 0xefffdff8
  * Address 0xefffdfc7 is 49 bytes below frame pointer in function garbage_collect_1.


Impurities:
   conses used:                      8728
   conses free:                      5042
   cons storage:                   110376
   symbols used:                     7546
   symbol storage:                 181916
   vectors used:                      651
   vectors total length:            46058
   vector storage:                 189440
   short strings used:               2644
   strings free:                     3635
   short strings total length:      39493
   short string storage:            57344
   string header storage:           75628
   floats used:                         2
   floats free:                         9
   float storage:                    2040
   markers used:                       34
   markers free:                        2
   marker storage:                   2044
   extents used:                       16
   extent storage:                   2048
   symbol value lisp magics used:      23
   symbol value lisp magic storage:  1564
   symbol value varaliases used:       42
   symbol value varalias storage:    1008
   opaque lists used:                   2
   opaque list storage:                48
   opaques used:                        4
   opaque storage:                     96
   color instances used:                1
   color instance storage:             24
   font instances used:                 1
   font instance storage:              36
   range tables used:                   1
   range table storage:                16
   faces used:                         24
   face storage:                     1824
   glyphs used:                        17
   glyph storage:                     680
   specifiers used:                   345
   specifier storage:               19815
   weak lists used:                   345
   weak list storage:                8280
   buffers used:                        6
   buffer storage:                   1656
   extent infos used:                   4
   extent info storage:                80
   consoles used:                       3
   console storage:                   300
   command builders used:               1
   command builder storage:            56
   keymaps used:                      146
   keymap storage:                   6424
   devices used:                        1
   device storage:                    176
   frames used:                         1
   frame storage:                     212
   image instances used:                1
   image instance storage:             64
   windows used:                        2
   window storage:                    688
   lcrecord lists used:                13
   lcrecord list storage:             312
   hashtables used:                   346
   hashtable storage:               13840
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
SBR: Stack array bounds read:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	garbage_collect_1 [alloc.o]
	report_pure_usage [alloc.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Reading 4616 bytes from 0xefffe14f.
  * Frame pointer 0xefffe180
  * Address 0xefffe14f is 49 bytes below frame pointer in function garbage_collect_1.


****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
SBR: Stack array bounds read:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	garbage_collect_1 [alloc.o]
	disksave_object_finalization [alloc.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Reading 4288 bytes from 0xefffe297.
  * Frame pointer 0xefffe2c8
  * Address 0xefffe297 is 49 bytes below frame pointer in function garbage_collect_1.

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
ABW: Array bounds write:
  * This is occurring while in:
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Writing 4 bytes to 0x6e75f8 in the heap.
  * Address 0x6e75f8 is 1 byte past end of a malloc'd block at 0x6e7428 of 464 bytes.
  * This block was allocated from:
	malloc         [rtlib.o]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
MSE: Memory segment error:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	xlate          [xlate.c]
	wrt            [update.c]
	elf_update     [libelf.so.1]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Attempt to read or write Purify's private data variables.
    Addressing 0x278158 for 143930 bytes ending at 0x29b392.

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
FMR: Free memory read:
  * This is occurring while in:
	memcpy         [rtlib.o]
	xlate          [xlate.c]
	wrt            [update.c]
	elf_update     [libelf.so.1]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Reading 3596316 bytes from 0x3abfe4 in the heap (12356 bytes at 0x3abfe4 illegal).

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
ABW: Array bounds write:
  * This is occurring while in:
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Writing 4 bytes to 0x5f1208 in the heap.
  * Address 0x5f1208 is 1 byte past end of a malloc'd block at 0x5f1028 of 480 bytes.
  * This block was allocated from:
	malloc         [rtlib.o]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]

****  Purify instrumented ./temacs (pid 17413)  ****
COR: Fatal core dump:
  * This is occurring while in:
	*unknown func* [pc=0x6ff50f0c]
	update_reloc   [dynodump.so]
	dynodump       [dynodump.so]
	unexec         [unexsol2.o]
	Fdump_emacs    [emacs.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fprogn         [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	Fif            [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	readevalloop   [lread.o]
	Fload_internal [lread.o]
	primitive_funcall [eval.o]
	funcall_subr   [eval.o]
	Feval          [eval.o]
	condition_case_1 [eval.o]
	top_level_1    [cmdloop.o]
	internal_catch [eval.o]
	initial_command_loop [cmdloop.o]
	main_1         [emacs.o]
	main           [emacs.o]
	_start         [crt1.o]
  * Received signal 11 (SIGSEGV - Segmentation Fault)
  * Faulting address = 0x6ff50f0c
  * Signal mask: (SIGSEGV) 
  * Pending signals: 
Segmentation Fault - core dumped
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 139
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2
make: Leaving directory `/usr/local/cmpl/xemacs-19.14'

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In article <t8ranz8g2y.fsf@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca>,
	Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca> writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>is it possible to force XEmacs to prompt for printer name before printing
>a buffer.
>
>Thanks,
>Slava
>-- 
>Viatcheslav (Slava) Kharin                      *Email: skharin@ec.gc.ca
>Canadian Centre for Climate Modelling & Analysis*             or
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I wrote this little number a while back.  It allows you to set the -P
flag in the lpr-switches without getting your hands dirty.

;;
;; Quick way to set the current printer
(defun set-printer (printer-name &rest other-flags)
  "Set the printer flag in the lpr-switches variable.
The optional parameter 'other-flags' specifies other flags to add to the
existing lpr-switches."
  (interactive "_sPrinter name: ")
  (let ((printerflag (cons (concat "-P" printer-name) nil)))
    (setq lpr-switches
	  (delq nil
		(append
		 (mapcar
		  (lambda (ELM)
		    (if (stringp ELM)
			(if (string-equal (substring ELM 0 2) "-P")
			    (prog1 (car printerflag) (setq printerflag nil))
			  ELM)
		      nil))
		  lpr-switches)
		 printerflag
		 ;; The printerflag will be nil if it was found in the string,
		 ;; otherwise, it is a list containing the string.
		 other-flags))
	  ))
  (message "New value of lpr-switches: %S" lpr-switches)
  lpr-switches
  )

;;
;; This helps for setting the lpr-switches using 'set-variable'.

(put 'lpr-switches 'variable-interactive
     "_xList of switch strings to pass to lpr: ")

Once this is installed, you could also do this:

(fset 'original-lpr-buffer (symbol-function 'lpr-buffer))
(defun lpr-buffer () "Print buffer contents, but set the printer name first."
  (interactive)
  (call-interactively 'set-printer)
  (call-interactively 'original-lpr-buffer))

Enjoy.

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Hi!

Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the current
Xemacs.

Thanx in advance.

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Lei| Hi!

Lei| Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
Lei| example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the current
Lei| Xemacs.

You can do 

M-x load-file 

then  it comes up with  a "Load file:" prompt  where  you can input your
filename.


Regards,
Paramesh


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Is there a function that marks a region with the message-yank-prefix?
This would behave somewhat like comment-region does but insert the
message-yank-prefix instead of the comment for the given mode.

Thanks,
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Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:

   Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
   example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the current
   Xemacs.

What's wrong with M-x load-file ~/.emacs?

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See the variables 'message-required-mail-headers' and
'message-required-mail-headers', which you can set to something like
the following:

(setq-default message-required-mail-headers
	      '(From (Reply-to . "you@your.domain") Subject Date
		     (optional . In-Reply-To) Message-ID Lines
		     (optional . X-Mailer))
	      message-required-news-headers
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> (Hal Manuel <HEManuel@ESY.Com> -- This answers your question as well).
> >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
> Mark> OK this brings up an interesting point.
> Mark> For those of us that like to pass the lpr command a filter like
> Mark> a2ps can I also pass the name of the buffer in the lpr switches.
> 
> Yes, but it will require a little more work.  As an added bonus, I'll
> give you three ways to do it. :-)
> 

... delete delete delete ...

> The `change-major-mode-hook' is run every time a major mode is set on
> a buffer (it's actually when (kill-all-local-variables) is executed,
> but is effectively the same thing).
> 
> -- 
> steve@miranova.com baur

This is cool thanks Steve, Eric and Anders.

I used Steve's last idea and here is what my code looks like in .emacs.

;;Note this will pass a buffer through a the a2ps filter.
;;a2ps takes a text file and wraps it with page numbers 
;;file names and dates.  The version of a2ps that I use is 4.25a
;;Note I compiled a2ps to auto send to a printer defined
;;by the env vars LPDEST and PRINTER.  
;;(Solaris apps are brain dead some us PRINTER some use LPDEST)
(setq lpr-command "/u/daku/bin/a2ps")
(make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
(put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)
(add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
(defun my-set-lpr-switches()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
(setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-H" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))

===========
A note with this solution you can not use buffer-name.  It will confict with
too much of XEmacs.

This works very well indeed.  I'm a lisp moron and I even understand it.

However I must concure with Anders about making the changes to ps-print
so that we can pass a function for evaluation.  This would really give us 
a lot of flexability.  Maybe a 19.15 or 20.0 feature for Xemacs. :)

P.S. I must extend my appreciation to Steve for being such a sport with
regards to my continuing and never ending posts about trival stuff.
One of these days I'll learn lisp.  (Still can't believe I haven't yet)
Again Thanks Steve.

Completely off topic.
At first I was sad to see a note about the news being trampled by Netscape.
Steve using Netscape as a news reader??  (My faith in you was temporaryly lost)
Then I reread your post, I was glad to see that it was a netscape back end INN
server that did it to you and not Gnus.

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>>>>> "Paramesh" == Paramesh Padmanabhan <paramesh@ikos.com> writes:

Lei> Hi!

Lei> Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
Lei> example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the
Lei> current Xemacs.

Paramesh> You can do 

Paramesh> M-x load-file 

Paramesh> then it comes up with a "Load file:" prompt where you can
Paramesh> input your filename.

Technically correct in one sense, but ...

The complete answer is, in general, no you cannot.  The problem is
that many of initializations commonly done will not work correctly if
done twice (ie. if you have based your .emacs on the sample.emacs
included with XEmacs, it should not be loaded twice in the same
session).

Just off the top of my head, and not a complete list:

1.  Certain customizations to font-lock can *only* be done before
    font-lock is loaded.  You must restart XEmacs in this case.

2.  Tests to detect the presence of other XEmacs sessions will
    probably fail.  You can probably ignore these.

3.  Statements of the form:
(setq load-path (cons "/usr/lib/xemacs/psgml-xemacs-19.15" load-path))
will lose and put the directory in the load path again.  You must
instead do something like:
(if (null (member "/usr/lib/xemacs/psgml-xemacs-19.15" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "/usr/lib/xemacs/psgml-xemacs-19.15" load-path)))
But if you change that directory, the previous version will remain in
the load-path.

4.  Any statements of the form `(load "some-library")' will probably
    not work the way you expect them to.

5.  If you are advising functions (like the example I posted yesterday
    over save-buffers-kill-emacs) you *must not* advise them twice, or
    you will lose.

6.  Anything having to do with gnuserv will probably lose on a second
    reload.

7.  If you are creating new buffer-local variables, or are setting
    defaults for buffer-local variables, any changes take place only
    for new buffers -- existing ones are left alone.

8.  You cannot undo making a variable buffer-local.


I'd advise against the idea, but I know my own .emacs is not
reloadable.

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>>>>> "NELSON" == NELSON JOSE DOS SANTOS FERREIRA (leic) <njsf@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt> writes:

NELSON> Hi! 

NELSON> I browsed the XEmacs FAQ and didn't find answer to this....

NELSON> Is there any way to cache faces information used in
NELSON> ps-print  for later use (overriding lookup) ?

You can turn this off by setting ps-auto-font-detect to nil, but that
does not answer your question.  The ps-build-face-reference
ps-always-build-face-reference don't appear to be much help either.

There's no option for it, so it would have to be coded as an extension
to ps-print.
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

> (setq mail-default-reply-to "miker@lamrc.com")

Rick> This works fine for VM, but there is no similar for GNUS. I.e.,
Rick> there is no variable called

Rick> gnus-default-reply-to

Rick> and composing a message in GNUS does not insert the REPLYTO
Rick> X-windows variable. Why not? I need it.

(setq message-default-headers "Reply-To: miker@lamrc.com\n")
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All of a sudden vm and rmail stopped working.  Here is the back trace
from rmail:
Signalling: (file-error "Renaming" "permission denied"
"/var/spool/mail/kinge" 
"/var/spool/mail/kinge+")
  rename-file("/var/spool/mail/kinge" "/var/spool/mail/kinge+" nil)
  rmail-insert-inbox-text(("~/mbox" "/var/spool/mail/kinge") t)
  rmail-get-new-mail()
  #<compiled-function (from "rmail.elc") (&optional file-name-arg)
"...(147)" 
[string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version require rmail-lucid
rmail-last-file 
expand-file-name "~/xmail" file-name-arg rmail-file-name file-name
get-file-buffer 
existed verify-visited-file-modtime nil enable-local-variables
find-file major-mode 
rmail-mode rmail-forget-messages rmail-set-message-counters
rmail-edit-mode error   "Exit Rmail Edit mode before getting new
mail." buffer-size 0   

  call-interactively(rmail)
  command-execute(rmail t)
  execute-extended-command(nil)
  call-interactively(execute-extended-command)

I'm using Xemacs 19.14.  What's going on?  Elm works fine.
















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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:

Anders> I think it would be even better to rewrite lpr-buffer so it
Anders> accepts more generic arguments in the lpr-switches list. For
Anders> example, if a switch is a symbol, evaluate it as a
Anders> function. If it is a string, insert it unchanged. (This
Anders> approach is used in ps-print. See the documentation of
Anders> ps-left-header)

Anders> It would then be possible to define lpr-command/lpr-switches as

Anders> (setq lpr-command "filep")
Anders> (setq lpr-switches '("-d" "inge" "-s" buffer-name))

There is an extremely powerful package called advice.el already
provided in XEmacs to help out in situations like this.  A quick look
through lpr.el shows that all roads lead to print-region-1.  Wrap a
little bit of code around it like this:

(require 'message)
(require 'lpr)

(defadvice print-region-1 (before print-region-1 activate)
  "Extend the syntax available to lpr-switches."
  (let ((my-sw (message-flatten-list
		(mapcar '(lambda (arg)
			   (cond ((stringp arg) arg)
				 ((functionp arg) (apply arg nil))
				 ((symbolp arg) (eval arg))
				 ((consp arg) (apply (car arg) (cdr arg)))
				 (t nil)))
			(ad-get-arg 2)))))
    (ad-set-arg 2 my-sw)))


With this in place you can say something like:

(setq lpr-switches '(static-printer-options dynamic-printer-options "-Plw"))
(setq static-printer-options '("-p" "-1"))
(defun dynamic-printer-options ()
  ;; code to be executed just prior to printing
  ;; Should return a string, or list of strings
)
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Slava" == Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca> writes:

Slava> Hi folks,

Slava> is it possible to force XEmacs to prompt for printer name
Slava> before printing a buffer.

Yes it is.  The easiest way to do it is with the function I just
posted (repeated here since it's short).

(require 'message)
(require 'lpr)

(defadvice print-region-1 (before print-region-1 activate)
  "Extend the syntax available to lpr-switches."
  (let ((my-sw (message-flatten-list
		(mapcar '(lambda (arg)
			   (cond ((stringp arg) arg)
				 ((functionp arg) (apply arg nil))
				 ((symbolp arg) (eval arg))
				 ((consp arg) (apply (car arg) (cdr arg)))
				 (t nil)))
			(ad-get-arg 2)))))
    (ad-set-arg 2 my-sw)))

Now add code like this:
(setq lpr-switches '(sk-prompt-for-printer))
;; Adjust this to match what printers you have installed on your system.
(setq printer-list '(("epson" 1) ("lw" 2) ("raw" 3) ("hp" 4)))

(defun sk-prompt-for-printer ()
  (let ((printer (completing-read "Printer name: " printer-list nil t)))
    (concat "-P" printer)))

-- 
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boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:

> in the best of worlds that i can afford, i'd use the campus server to
> read news, and Pisa server to post

(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "campus"))
(setq gnus-post-method '(nntp "pisa"))

Or something like that.  See the manual for details.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Ingebrigtsen

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	I downloaded and installed xemacs-19.14-powerpc-ibm-aix4.1.4.0, and
gnuclient no longer works like it used to in 19.13.  I used to use the
GNU_SECURE operation and everything worked fine, but now gnuclient -h <host>
always refuses the connection.  Doing gnuclient on the local machine works
fine (as long as you don't explicitly specify it with -h or GNU_HOST), so for
now I'm using remsh to the machine XEmacs is running on as a substitute for
the -h parameter.

	Also, I use (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame)) so I won't get a new
frame for the buffer, and one behavior of 19.13 I absolutely loved and came to
rely on was that gnuclient would cause XEmacs to de-iconify if necessary, then
pop in front of other windows in the workspace.  Unfortunately 19.14 doesn't
do this any more, and I'm constantly typing in the wrong window because I'm
used to the XEmacs window automatically moving to the front and has thus
attaining keyboard focus.  I thought perhaps there'd be a variable to control
this behavior and the default had just changed, but I couldn't find one...

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Last-modified: Sep 10 09:14 PST 1996
URL: http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html

[Lars has done a lot of work on Red Gnus.  Expect that release to once
again, redefine Mail and Newsreading As We Know It.  -sb]

                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   
   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented
   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 5 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   
   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It
   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot
   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   
   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the
   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   
What's changed since last time?

    1. Added a question regarding counting lines in the .signature.
    2. Updated some of the ftp mirror locations.
       
   This file was last modified on September 10, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version?
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?
          + Q1.5 I get weird messages when running under XEmacs 19.13.
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus?
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work
          + Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server? [New!]
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.1 Custom doesn't work under XEmacs
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures.
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories.
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
          + Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?
          + Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?
          + Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't [New!]
          + Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy? [New!]
    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible?
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                1. Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus?

   There are many different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.40. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   
   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it. Gnus 5.2.38 aka Gnus 5.3 is
   included in Emacs 19.32.
   
   Gnus 5.2.25 is included standard with XEmacs 19.14.
   
   Red Gnus is the latest developmental version, and will have version
   numbers of 5.4 & 5.5 when released. It has lots of new stuff in it,
   including new backends for using search engines like Dejanews as a
   source of articles. Since it's developmental code, do not expect it to
   be stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also
   fetch it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/ifi.uio.no/>,
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   
   Or, get it from the South American mirror:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/news.software/gnus/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need?

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   
   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.13 or later.
   
   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   
   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   
   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file.
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I
   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   
   Ron Forrester <rjf@infograph.com> writes:
   With the release of GNU Emacs 19.31, Microsoft Windows '95 & NT users
   no longer need nttcp.exe as Emacs now has open-network-stream built
   in.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4 Where is timezone.el?

   Upgrade to XEmacs 19.13. In earlier versions of XEmacs this file was
   placed with Gnus 4.1.3, but that has been corrected.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.5 When I run Gnus on XEmacs 19.13 I get weird error messages.

   You're running an old version of Gnus. Upgrade to at least version
   5.0.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL:mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   
   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs?

   The basic answer is to byte-compile under XEmacs, and then you can run
   under either Emacsen. There is, however, a potential version problem
   with easymenu.el with Gnu Emacs prior to 19.29.
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes :
   The internal easymenu.el interface changed between 19.28 and 19.29 in
   order to make it possible to create byte compiled files that can be
   shared between Gnu Emacs and XEmacs. The change is upward compatible,
   but not downward compatible. This gives the following compatibility
   table:

Compiled with:  | Can be used with:
----------------+--------------------------------------
19.28           | 19.28         19.29
19.29           |               19.29           XEmacs
XEmacs          |               19.29           XEmacs

   If you have Gnu Emacs 19.28 or earlier, or XEmacs 19.12 or earlier,
   get a recent version of auc-menu.el from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.iesd.auc.dk/pub/emacs-lisp/auc-menu.el> and install it
   under the name easymenu.el somewhere early in your load path.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.
   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   
   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as
   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives
   is provided by Gnus.
   
   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   
   This mailing list is mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August 1995, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   
   There is a bidirectional Usenet gateway to the mailing list at:
   <URL:news://sunsite.auc.dk/emacs.ding>.
   
   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL:http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   
   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   
   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   
   Gnus has a write up in the comp.windows.x.apps FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   
   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical
   source is in Norway at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are three mirrors in the United States:
   <URL:http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL:http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   
   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL:http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   
   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work

   Is Gnus in your load-path?
   
   Patrick LoPresti <patl@lcs.mit.edu > writes :
   Note that this is not a bug in either Gnus or Mailcrypt; you cannot
   expect any file to byte-compile correctly if required packages are not
   in your load path. (Or, worse, if a completely different version of
   the package is in the load path at compile-time than at run-time.)
   
   Moreover, this need is documented in the Mailcrypt INSTALL file, so
   the problem is really just a failure to follow directions...
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus?

  Mailcrypt
  
   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs
   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL:http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   
  Tools for Mime
  
   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   To use with Gnus add the line
(load "mime-setup")

   to your .gnus file.
   
  Group Lens
  
   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its own
   FAQ at <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   
  Insidious Big Brother Database
  
   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie
   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/bbdb/>. You should also pick up
   gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds:
   <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   Please note that work is underway for a new version of bbdb that
   contains gnus-bbdb.el.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster?

   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going
   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to
   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   
   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been
   replaced with message-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?

   There are a variety of ways, all documented in the Gnus user's manual.
   
    1. (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.somewhere.edu"))
    2. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))
    3. If gnus-select-method is not set, Gnus will take a look at the
       NNTPSERVER environment variable. If that variable isn't set, Gnus
       will see whether gnus-nntpserver-file (/etc/nntpserver by default)
       has any opinions on the matter. If that fails as well, Gnus will
       will try to use the machine that is running Emacs as an NNTP
       server.
    4. If gnus-nntp-server is set, this variable will override
       gnus-select-method. You should therefore set gnus-nntp-server to
       nil, which is what it is by default.
    5. You can also make Gnus prompt you interactively for the name of an
       NNTP server. If you give a non-numerical prefix to gnus (i.e., C-u
       M-x gnus), Gnus will let you choose between the servers in the
       gnus-secondary-servers list (if any).
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1 Custom Edit does not work under XEmacs

   Please upgrade to Gnus 5.2, where it does work.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   
   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use
   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   
   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will
   be called to do the job.
   
   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty
   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   
  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  
   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  
   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  
(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  
   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  
   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  
   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   
  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  
   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  
   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   
    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       
   That's it.
   
   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.8 Moving between groups is slow.

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Do you call define-key or something like that in one of the summary
   mode hooks? This would force Emacs to recalculate the keyboard
   shortcuts.
   
   Removing the call should speed up M-x gnus-summary-mode RET by a
   couple of orders of magnitude. You can use

        (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map KEY COMMAND)

   in your .gnus instead.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summary
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   
   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry
   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir))))
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir file))
                ))))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably
   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   
   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   
   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original
   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   
   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location
   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   
   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   
   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          
   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          
   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          
   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          
   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them>
   
   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       
   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:BR> It's quite
   difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with the entire
   range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to work quite
   well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds), but if you
   use mid-range background colours, you have to do some fiddling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?

   Just change it in the message buffer.
   
   Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> writes:
   The original poster wants to correct a broken Sender: line. If the
   value that Emacs computes is wrong, (mine is wrong too BTW) then
   making a right one is better, no?
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   No. If you think it serves a useful purpose for the user to change the
   value of the Sender field, then you do not understand the purpose of
   that field.
   
   The Sender field contains the following information: The user has
   customized the from address. Here is the original, uncustomized value.
   Thus, if you customize the Sender field in any way, it will be wrong.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't

   Check for blank lines at the end. Blank lines count as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy?

   The Fcc: field still works:
(setq message-default-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool\n")
(setq message-default-mail-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-mail.spool\n")
(setq message-default-news-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-news.spool\n")

   Another possibility is to use the Gcc: header:
(setq gnus-message-archive-method
  `(nnfolder
    "archive"
    (nnfolder-directory ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive"))
    (nnfolder-active-file
     ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive/active"))
    (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
    (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
  '((if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail")))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3. Reading News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?

   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters
   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   
     * send mail to <URL:mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web:
       <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>
       .
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to
   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   
   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   
   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   
   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potorti` <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes: Just use C-u SPC or C-u
   RET for entering the group.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   
   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   
   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.
   
   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles
   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   
   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                4. Reading Mail
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   
   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   
   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,
   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been
   placed in.
   
   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   
   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   
   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   
   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Ok. I'll be adding a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable
   to match groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there
   are unread articles in the groups or not. I'll also be adding a
   visible group parameter that will have the same effect.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   
   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   
   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   
   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking
   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the
   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked
   as read in the renumbered group.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1995, 1996 Free Software Foundation. Please
   send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.

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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary D Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com> writes:

Gary> Ok, this is probably a lame question but I can't seem to figure
Gary> out the answer...

The only lame questions are unasked questions ...

Gary> When I set a mark (with C-spc or C-@) and I do any cursor
Gary> movement except with the arrow keys it removes my mark.  For
Gary> instance, I'd like to be able to set a mark, hit C-E to go to
Gary> the end of the line, and then have the entire line marked.
Gary> Similarily, I'd like to be able to mark words, etc. with the
Gary> forward-word stuff, but every time I do a movement command it
Gary> erases the mark.

Gary> What have I got set wrong?

I don't know and that's pretty odd behavior.  What kind of stuff are
you loading in .emacs?

What is the value of the variable `zmacs-regions'?

The basic technique for debugging problems of this nature are to start
XEmacs with the -q flag and verify the state of things with no
customization, and then enable pieces of your .emacs until you find
the location where you're doing something wrong.

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>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

J> Is there a function that marks a region with the
J> message-yank-prefix?  This would behave somewhat like
J> comment-region does but insert the message-yank-prefix instead of
J> the comment for the given mode.

SuperCite has a function which pretty much does that:
sc-recite-region:
Recite a region delineated by START and END.
First runs `sc-pre-recite-hook'.

You might also try a quick and dirty hack like this:
(defun jps-cite-region ()
  (interactive)
  (when (region-exists-p)
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region (region-beginning) (region-end))
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-regexp "^" message-yank-prefix))))


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>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> It sounds like you have mouse avoidance mode activated - it's not
Des> a bug, but a package which stops the mouse pointer obscuring what
Des> you type.  (I don't like it either :-)

Mouse avoidance mode doesn't work at all in more recent versions of
XEmacs.  Since mouse pointer warping is inherently sinful, this
doesn't seem to bother me. :-)
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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Crampton <eric@ecrampto.async.vt.edu> writes:

Eric> I frequently use XEmacs in tty mode under Linux to edit C++
Eric> code. The problem I have is that the syntax highlighting colors
Eric> seem too dark to me. The darker red, green, and blue colors used
Eric> for strings, comments, etc. would, to me, look better in the
Eric> brighter versions.

Eric> How can I change this?

Try editing the faces in the Options->Edit Faces... buffer, available
off the menubar.   Be sure to select Options->Save Options to keep
them.  Also examine the code in the sample.emacs (Help->Sample .emacs).
The sample.emacs provided with XEmacs is a wonderful basis to start
your own customizations.

Eric> And, more generally, in the future when I have a specific task
Eric> to accomplish such as this, where should I look in the XEmacs
Eric> code to help me out? I always check the FAQ, but a lot of what I
Eric> want to do isn't there (I guess I'm unique!).

Check all available menus, gain some familiarity with the apropos or
hyper-apropos command (a huge number of questions asked in this
newsgroup can be answered by performing those two steps alone).
`C-h C-f' can look things up in the Lisp manual.  The Describe
Function (C-h f) and Describe Variable (C-h v) commands can be useful
as well.

If you're trying to figure out how something works, M-x grep for it in
the XEmacs lisp directory to see how other Lisp code is calling it.

A very good way to learn is to scan the emacs Usenet newsgroups and
attempt to figure out other people's questions.  One can learn a
surprising amount of things that way. :-)

Good luck.
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>>>>> "Tony" == Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com> writes:

Tony> I've noticed a perhaps related problem: when I send 'X-Face'd
Tony> mail to Sun dtmail and PC eudora users, the receiving mailer
Tony> core dumps or otherwise complains.

Tony> Is X-Face rfc compliant?  Should it be gracefully ignored by?
Tony> If anyone can point me to chapter and verse on this I'd
Tony> appreciate it.

Yes it is.  Any mailer that doesn't display it should ignore it
gracefully.  Any other behavior is a bug.

>From RFC822:

     optional-field =
                 /  "Message-ID"        ":"   msg-id
                 /  "Resent-Message-ID" ":"   msg-id
                 /  "In-Reply-To"       ":"  *(phrase / msg-id)
                 /  "References"        ":"  *(phrase / msg-id)
                 /  "Keywords"          ":"  #phrase
                 /  "Subject"           ":"  *text
                 /  "Comments"          ":"  *text
                 /  "Encrypted"         ":" 1#2word
                 /  extension-field              ; To be defined
                 /  user-defined-field           ; May be pre-empted

 ...

     extension-field =
                   <Any field which is defined in a document
                    published as a formal extension to this
                    specification; none will have names beginning
                    with the string "X-">
 ...
     4.7.4.  EXTENSION-FIELD

             A limited number of common fields have  been  defined  in
        this  document.   As  network mail requirements dictate, addi-
        tional fields may be standardized.   To  provide  user-defined
        fields  with  a  measure  of  safety,  in name selection, such
        extension-fields will never have names  that  begin  with  the
        string "X-".

             Names of Extension-fields are registered with the Network
        Information Center, SRI International, Menlo Park, California.

     4.7.5.  USER-DEFINED-FIELD

             Individual users of network mail are free to  define  and
        use  additional  header  fields.   Such fields must have names
        which are not already used in the current specification or  in
        any definitions of extension-fields, and the overall syntax of
        these user-defined-fields must conform to this specification's
        rules   for   delimiting  and  folding  fields.   Due  to  the
        extension-field  publishing  process,  the  name  of  a  user-
        defined-field may be pre-empted

        Note:  The prefatory string "X-" will never  be  used  in  the
               names  of Extension-fields.  This provides user-defined
               fields with a protected set of names.




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>>>>> "Ramses" == Ramses Rodenburg <R.Rodenburg@twi.tudelft.nl> writes:

Ramses> Hi folks, 

Ramses>   since a few weeks I am really addicted to programming with xemacs
Ramses> v19.14, but every now and then, my xemacs crashes completely
Ramses> and unexpectedly. It does not exit or terminate, but just
Ramses> stays on screen, consuming *all* CPU-usertime, and nothing
Ramses> more happens.

Ramses> Only thing left to do is simply to:
Ramses>  kill -KILL `pidof xemacs`

Ramses> All this happens regardless of kernel version (at least not version
Ramses> 2.0.7 - 2.0.20).

Ramses> I am using Linux 2.0.20 on a Cyrix 5x86-100, running XFree86
Ramses> v3.1.2 with fvwm2-95 as window-manager.

Ramses> Anyone know what is causing all this ?!?!?

One thing to be aware of on Linux, XEmacs is just as good as a kernel
compile in triggering odd signal 11 behavior if you have bad cache or
memory.

The next time it happens, get a system call trace by doing
strace -p `pidof xemacs`
that might provide some better clues.

You might also try another window manager (like another flavor of
fvwm) and see if that helps.  (XEmacs with olvwm on Linux 2.0 has been
very good to me).

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From: Sobhan  Padamati <spadamat@fore.com>
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Subject: Re: Xemacsa-19.14:autoinsert doesn't work
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;; C and other programming languages Configuration
(setq auto-insert-directory "/usr/local/autoinsert/")
(setq auto-insert-alist '(("\\.c$" . "c.ai")
                          ("\\.h$" . "h.ai")))
(load "autoinsert")
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

Put this in .emacs and it should work.

- Sobhan

Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:

> 
> Hi !
> 
> Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within xemacs-19.13
> it works fine.
> 
> Any hints or ideas are highly appreciated.
> 
> 
> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
> ;; Autoinsert
> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
> (load-library "autoinsert")
> (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
> (setq auto-insert-alist 
>       '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
> 	("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
> 	("\\.c$" . "i.c")
> 	("\\.h$" . "i.h")
> 	("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
> 	("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
> 	("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))
> 
> ---
> 
> Regards,
> Gran

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Hi,

  It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving the mouse 
(as opposed to moving and clicking on the window)? I am using Xemacs 
19.14 on SunOS. 

Thanks.

Prasad
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Xianfeng Ni <x.ni@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> Hi, does anybody know how to build MATLAB mode or how to create a new
> mode for a new style file in xemacs?
> 

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Here it goes:

;; matlab-mode.el - major mode for MATLAB dot-m files
;;
;; This major mode for GNU emacs provides support for editing MATLAB dot-m
;; files.  It automatically indents for block structures, line continuations
;; (e.g., ...), and comments.  The usual paren matching support is included.
;; Filling and auto-fill works for comment lines.  You may wish to add
;; something like the following to your emacs start-up file:
;;   (autoload 'matlab-mode "matlab-mode" "Enter Matlab mode." t)
;;   (setq auto-mode-alist (cons '("\\.m$" . matlab-mode) auto-mode-alist))
;;   (defun my-matlab-mode-hook ()
;;     (setq fill-column 76)
;;     (setq matlab-indent-end-before-return t)
;;     (matlab-frame-init)
;;     (turn-on-auto-fill))
;;   (setq matlab-mode-hook 'my-matlab-mode-hook)
;; Put this file in the emacs load-path so emacs can find it (check the manual).
;; To get font-lock try 
;;     (font-lock-mode 1)
;; To get hilit19 support try
;;     (matlab-mode-hilit)
;; This version now assumes that you put whitespace immediately after `%' in
;; your comments.
;;
;; Note -
;;	The fact that MATLAB uses single-quote for strings and tranpose makes
;;	parsing strings almost impossible.  I have implemented some heuristics
;;	to make matlab-mode work with strings better, but you never know ...
;;
;; Copyright (C) 1991-1996 Matthew R. Wette.
;; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute this
;; file provided:
;;   1. All copies contain this copyright notice (even if you rename this file
;;	to `octave-mode.el').
;;   2. All modified copies carry a prominant notice stating who made the last
;;	modification and the date of such modification.
;;   3. No direct charge is made for this software or works derived from it.
;;	This software may be distributed with licensed software as long as
;;	no itemized charge is made for this specific code.
;;
;; Version 1.07.3, Dated 19Jan96
;;
;; 19Jan96 by Matt Wette <mwette@alumni.caltech.edu>
;;	commented out debug-on-error; got hilit to work for sam
;;
;; 18Jan96 by Matt Wette <mwette@alumni.caltech.edu>
;;	fixed problem int matlab-prev-line which caused fatal matlab-mode;
;;	crash fixed problem with indenting when keywords in comments; still
;;	haven't cleaned up comment formatting ...
;;
;; 21Jul95 by Matt Wette <mwette@alumni.caltech.edu>
;;	fixes by Bjorn Torkelsson <torkel@cs.umu.se>: replaced lattr-comment
;;	w/ lattr-comm to fix inconsistency; added function to font-lock 
;;	keywords, added function name to font-lock-function-name-face.  He had
;;	also added funtion as a block begin keyword.  This should be an option
;;	since it will cause the body of a function to be indented.  Worked on
;;	filling.  More work on filling.  fixed many bugs reported by Rob
;;	Cunningham.  Pulled cadr.
;;
;; 13Jul95 by Matt Wette <mwette@mr-ed.jpl.nasa.gov>
;; 	changed indenting for continuation lines in calc-deltas to use
;;	cont-level; changed syntab-table;  changed the way the return key is
;;	mapped; released version 1.07.1
;;
;; 08Jul95 by Matt Wette <mwette@mr-ed.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	This is a fairly major rewrite of the indenting functions to fix long-
;;	standing problems arising from keywords and percents in strings.  We
;;	may have to add more heuristics later but this may work better.
;;	Changed comment region string.  Released version 1.07.0.
;;
;; 10Oct94 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	changed auto-fill-mode to auto-fill-function; changed
;;	comment-indent- to comment-indent-function; fixed percents in strings
;;	being interpreted as comments, but a % for comment should not be
;;	followed by [disx%]
;;
;; 23Nov93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	added Lucid emacs, GNU emacs font-lock and lhilit support; repaired
;;	mtlb-block-{beg,end}-kw (Thanks to Dave Mellinger <dkm1@cornell.edu>)
;;	removed string delim entry from matlab-mode-syntax-table (MATLAB lang
;;	sucks here -- why not use " for strings?).   Released vers 1.06.0
;;
;; 10Aug93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	added matlab-indent-end-before-return; indent may be fixed now
;;	still not working for emacs 19
;;
;; 02Aug93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	fixed error in mtlb-calc-indent;  bumped version to 1.05.1; added
;;	mtlb-prev-line;  bumped version to 1.05.3; added mtlb-calc-blok-indent
;;
;; 01Aug93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	Fixed bug which treated form as block-begin keyword.  Reworked 
;;	mtlb-calc-indent -- seems to work better w/ redundant cont lines now.
;; 	Bumbed version to 1.05.
;;
;; 13Jun93 by Matt Wette <mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>
;;	Changed `linea' to `lattr', `linet' to `ltype', fixed
;;	Bumped version number from 1.03bb to 1.04.
;;
;; 02May91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Added matlab-auto-fill for auto-fill-hook so that this mode doesn't
;;	try to fill matlab code, just comments.
;;
;; 22Apr91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Changed "mtlb-ltype-cont" to "mtlb-lattr-cont", "mtlb-ltype-comment-on-
;;	line" to "mtlb-lattr-comment" and "mtlb-ltype-unbal-mexp" to "mtlb-
;;	lattr-unbal-mext" to emphasize that these are line attributes and not
;;	line types.  Modified "matlab-line-type" to reflect the change ini
;;	logic.
;;
;; 18Apr91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;      Modified matlab-comment-return so that when hit on a line with a
;;	comment at the end it will go to the comment column.  To get the
;;	comment indented with the code, just hit TAB.
;;
;; 17Apr91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Received critique from gray@scr.slb.com.  Changed ml- to mtlb- due to 
;;	possible conflict with mlsupport.el routines.  Added matlab-comment
;;	-line-s and -on-line-s.  Fixed bug in matlab-comment (set-fill-prefix).
;;	matlab-comment-return now works if called on a non-comment line.
;;
;; 04Mar91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Added const matlab-indent-before-return.  Released Version 1.02.
;;
;; 02Feb91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Changed names of ml-*-line to ml-ltype-*.  Cleaned up a lot. Added
;;	ml-format-comment-line, fixed ml-format-region.  Changed added "-s"
;;	on end of matlab-comment-region string.  Justify needs to be cleaned
;;	up.
;;
;; Fri Feb  1 09:03:09 1991; gray@scr.slb.com
;;      Add function matlab-comment-region, which inserts the string
;;      contained in the variable matlab-comment-region at the start
;;      of every line in the region.  With an argument the region is
;;      uncommented.  [Straight copy from fortran.el]
;;
;; 25Jan91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Got indentation of matrix expression to work, I think.  Also,
;;	added tabs to comment start regular-expression.
;;
;; 14Jan91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;	Added functions (ml-unbal-matexp ml-matexp-indent) for matrix
;;	expressions.
;;
;; 07Jan91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;      Many changes.  Seems to work reasonably well.  Still would like
;;      to add some support for filling in comments and handle continued
;;      matrix expressions.  Released as Version 1.0.
;;
;; 04Jan91 by Matt Wette, mwette@csi.jpl.nasa.gov
;;      Created.  Used eiffel.el as a guide.
;;

;;(setq debug-on-error t)

;; Variables which the user can change
(defvar matlab-indent-level 2
  "*The indentation in matlab-mode.")

(defvar matlab-cont-level 4
  "*Continuation indent.")

(defvar matlab-fill-code t
  "*If true, auto-fill-mode causes code lines to be automatically continued.")

(defvar matlab-comment-column 40
  "*The goal comment column in matlab-mode buffers.")

(defvar matlab-comment-line-s "% "
  "*String to start comment on line by itself.")

(defvar matlab-comment-on-line-s "% "
  "*String to start comment on line with code.")

(defvar matlab-comment-region-s "% $$$ "
  "*String inserted by \\[matlab-comment-region] at start of each line in \
region.")

(defvar matlab-indent-function nil
  "If t, indent body of function.")

(defvar matlab-vers-on-startup t
  "*If non-nil, shows the version number on startup.")


;; Syntax Table
(defvar matlab-mode-syntax-table nil
  "Syntax table used in matlab-mode buffers.")

(if matlab-mode-syntax-table
    ()
  (setq matlab-mode-syntax-table (make-syntax-table (standard-syntax-table)))
  (modify-syntax-entry ?_ "_" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (modify-syntax-entry ?% ".1" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (modify-syntax-entry ?\  "-2" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (modify-syntax-entry ?\t "-2" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (modify-syntax-entry ?\n "->" matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (set-syntax-table matlab-mode-syntax-table))


;; Abbrev Table
(defvar matlab-mode-abbrev-table nil
  "Abbrev table used in matlab-mode buffers.")

(define-abbrev-table 'matlab-mode-abbrev-table ())


;; Mode Map
(defvar matlab-mode-map ()
  "Keymap used in matlab-mode.")

(if matlab-mode-map
    ()
  (setq matlab-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap))
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\r" 'matlab-return)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\^j" 'matlab-linefeed)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-c\r" 'matlab-comment-return)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\t" 'matlab-indent-line)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\M-;" 'matlab-comment)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-c;" 'matlab-comment-region)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-cq" 'matlab-fill-region)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-cf" 'matlab-fill-comment-line)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-cj" 'matlab-justify-line)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\C-ct" 'matlab-show-line-info)
  (define-key matlab-mode-map "\M-\r" 'newline)
  (substitute-key-definition 'comment-region 'matlab-comment-region
			     matlab-mode-map global-map) ;torkel
  )


;; Font Lock Keywords
(defvar matlab-font-lock-keywords
  (list
   '("\\(^\\|[^%]\\)\\(%\\s-.*\\)" 2 font-lock-comment-face t)
   '("\\(^\\|[;,]\\)\\s-*\\(\
function\\|for\\|while\\|if\\|elseif\\|else\\|end\\|return\
\\)\\b" 2 font-lock-keyword-face)
   ;;'("^function\\s-+\\(.*=\\s-*\\)?\\([\\s_\\w]+\\)\\b" 2
   '("^function\\s-+\\(.*=\\s-*\\)?\\([a-zA-Z0-9_]+\\)\\b" 2
     font-lock-function-name-face t))
  "Expressions to hightlight in Matlab mode.")

;; Hilit19 Patterns
(defvar matlab-hilit19-patterns
  '(("\\(^\\|[^%]\\)\\(%\\s-.*\\)" 2 comment)
    ("\\(^\\|[;,]\\)\\s-*\\(\
function\\|for\\|while\\|if\\|elseif\\|else\\|end\\|return\
\\)\\b" 2 keyword)))


;; matlab-mode
(defun matlab-mode ()
  "Matlab-mode is a major mode for editing MATLAB dot-m files.
This is version 1.07.3, dated 19Jan96.  This version
    +   will run matlab-mode-hook if it is non-nil
    +   supports font-lock and hilit19
    +   requires a whitespace (space, tab or newline) after % in comment

Special Key Bindings:
\\{matlab-mode-map}
Variables:
  matlab-indent-level		Level to indent blocks.
  matlab-comment-column         Goal column for on-line comments.
  fill-column			Column used in auto-fill.
  matlab-comment-line-s	        Sring to start comment line.
  matlab-comment-region-s	String to put comment lines in region.
  matlab-vers-on-startup	If t, show version on start-up.
  matlab-indent-function	If t, indents body of MATLAB functions.
  matlab-hilit19-patterns	Patterns for hilit19
  matlab-font-lock-keywords	Keywords for font-lock
  matlab-return-function	Function-variable to customize RET handling

Commands:
  matlab-mode                   Enter MATLAB major mode.
  matlab-return                 RET with post indenting.
  matlab-linefeed               RET with pre and post indent.
  matlab-comment-return		RET for next-line comment.
  matlab-indent-line            Indent line for structure.
  matlab-comment                Add comment to current line.
  matlab-comment-indent         Compute indent for comment.
  matlab-comment-region		Comment (with arg, uncomment) region.
  matlab-fill-region		Fill region (usually comments).
  matlab-justify-line		Delete space on end and justify.
  matlab-mode-hilit             Turn on hilit19.

To add automatic support put something like the following in your .emacs file:
  \(autoload 'matlab-mode \"matlab-mode\" \"Enter Matlab mode.\" t\)
  \(setq auto-mode-alist \(cons '\(\"\\\\.m$\" . matlab-mode\) \
auto-mode-alist\)\)
  \(defun my-matlab-mode-hook \(\)
    \(setq fill-column 76\)
    \(font-lock-mode 1\)    
    \(turn-on-auto-fill\)\)
  \(setq matlab-mode-hook 'my-matlab-mode-hook\)"
  (interactive)
  (kill-all-local-variables)
  (use-local-map matlab-mode-map)
  (setq major-mode 'matlab-mode)
  (setq mode-name "Matlab")
  (setq local-abbrev-table matlab-mode-abbrev-table)
  (set-syntax-table matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (make-local-variable 'indent-line-function)
  (setq indent-line-function 'matlab-indent-line)
  (make-local-variable 'paragraph-start)
  (setq paragraph-start (concat "^$\\|" page-delimiter))
  (make-local-variable 'paragraph-separate)
  (setq paragraph-separate paragraph-start)
  (make-local-variable 'paragraph-ignore-fill-prefix)
  (setq paragraph-ignore-fill-prefix t)
  (make-local-variable 'comment-start-skip)
  (setq comment-start-skip "%\\s-+")
  (make-local-variable 'comment-column)
  (setq comment-column 'matlab-comment-column)
  (make-local-variable 'comment-indent-function)
  (setq comment-indent-function 'matlab-comment-indent)
  (make-local-variable 'fill-column)
  (setq fill-column default-fill-column)
  (make-local-variable 'auto-fill-function)
  (setq auto-fill-function 'matlab-auto-fill)
  (make-local-variable 'fill-prefix)
  (make-local-variable 'font-lock-keywords)
  (setq font-lock-keywords matlab-font-lock-keywords)
  (run-hooks 'matlab-mode-hook)
  (if matlab-vers-on-startup (matlab-show-version)))



;;; regexps for MATLAB language ===============================================

(defvar matlab-block-beg-pre 
  (if matlab-indent-function
      "function\\|for\\|while\\|if"
    "for\\|while\\|if")
  "partial regular expression to recognize matlab block-begin keywords")

(defconst matlab-block-mid-pre 
  "elseif\\|else"
  "partial regular expression to recognize matlab mid-block keywords")

(defconst matlab-block-end-pre
  "end"
  "partial regular expression to recognize matlab block-end keywords")
  
(defconst matlab-other-pre
  "function\\|return"
  "partial regular express to recognize matlab non-block keywords")
  
(defvar matlab-block-re
  (concat "\\(^\\|[;,]\\)\\s-*\\("
	  matlab-block-beg-pre "\\|"
	  matlab-block-mid-pre "\\|"
	  matlab-block-end-pre "\\)\\b")
  "regular expression for keywords which begin matlab blocks")

(defconst matlab-block-beg-re
  (concat "\\(" matlab-block-beg-pre "\\)"))

(defconst matlab-block-mid-re
  (concat "\\(" matlab-block-mid-pre "\\)"))

(defconst matlab-block-end-re
  (concat "\\(" matlab-block-end-pre "\\)"))

(defconst matlab-cline-start-skip "\\s-*%\\s-*"
  "*The regular expression for skipping comment start.")


;;; utilities =================================================================

(defun matlab-show-version ()
  "Show the version number in the minibuffer."
  (interactive)
  (message "matlab-mode, version 1.07.3 dated 19Jan96"))

(defun matlab-find-prev-line ()
  (interactive)
  (if (= -1 (forward-line -1)) nil
    (if (matlab-ltype-empty) (matlab-find-prev-line) t)))

(defun matlab-prev-line ()
  "Go to the previous line of code.  Return nil if not found."
  (interactive)
  (let ((old-point (point)))
    (if (matlab-find-prev-line) t (goto-char old-point) nil)))


;;; line types and attributes =================================================

(defun matlab-ltype-empty ()		; blank line
  "Returns t if current line is empty."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (looking-at "^\\s-*$")))

(defun matlab-ltype-comm ()		; comment line
  "Returns t if current line is a MATLAB comment line."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (looking-at "\\s-*%\\s-+")))

(defun matlab-ltype-code ()		; line of code
  "Return t if current line is a MATLAB code line."
  (and (not (matlab-ltype-empty)) (not (matlab-ltype-comm))))

(defun matlab-lattr-comm ()		; line has comment
  "Returns t if current line contains a comment."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (looking-at "\\(^\\|.*[^%]\\)%\\s-")))

(defun matlab-lattr-cont ()		; line has continuation
  "Returns t if current line ends in .. and optional comment."
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (re-search-forward "[^; \t.][ \t]*\\.\\.\\.+[ \t]*\\(%.*\\)?$"
		       (position-at-eol) t)))


;;; indent functions ==========================================================

(defun matlab-indent-line ()
  "Indent a line in matlab-mode."
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (delete-horizontal-space)
    (indent-to (matlab-calc-indent))
    ;; -- If line contains a comment, format it. --
    ;;(if (matlab-lattr-comm) (matlab-comment)))
    (skip-chars-forward " \t%")))

(defun matlab-calc-indent ()
  "Return the appropriate indentation for this line as an int."
  (interactive)
  (let ((indent 0))
    (save-excursion
      (if (matlab-prev-line)
	  (setq indent (+ (current-indentation) (matlab-add-to-next)))))
    (setq indent (+ indent (matlab-add-from-prev)))
    indent))

(defun matlab-add-to-next ()
  (car (cdr (matlab-calc-deltas))))

(defun matlab-add-from-prev ()
  (car (matlab-calc-deltas)))

(defun matlab-calc-deltas ()
  "This routine returns the list (add-from-prev add-to-next)."
  (let ((add-from-prev 0) (add-to-next 0) eol)
    (if (matlab-ltype-comm) (list 0 0) 
      (save-excursion
	(setq eol (position-at-eol))
	;; indentation for control structures
	(beginning-of-line)
	(while (re-search-forward matlab-block-re eol t)
	  (save-excursion
	    (goto-char (match-beginning 2))
	    (if (looking-at matlab-block-beg-re)
		(setq add-to-next (+ add-to-next matlab-indent-level))
	      (if (> add-to-next 0)
		  (setq add-to-next (- add-to-next matlab-indent-level))
		(setq add-from-prev (- add-from-prev matlab-indent-level)))
	      (if (looking-at matlab-block-mid-re)
		  (setq add-to-next (+ add-to-next matlab-indent-level))))))
	;; indentation for matrix expressions
	(beginning-of-line)
	(while (re-search-forward "[][]" eol t)
	  (save-excursion
	    (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
	    (if (looking-at "\\[")
		(setq add-to-next (+ add-to-next matlab-indent-level))
	      (setq add-to-next (- add-to-next matlab-indent-level)))))
	;; continuation lines
	(if (matlab-lattr-cont)
	    (save-excursion
	      (if (= 0 (forward-line -1))
		  (if (matlab-lattr-cont)
		      ()
		    (setq add-to-next (+ add-to-next matlab-cont-level)))))
	  (save-excursion
	    (if (= 0 (forward-line -1))
		(if (matlab-lattr-cont)
		    (setq add-to-next (- add-to-next matlab-cont-level))))))
	)
      (list add-from-prev add-to-next))))


;;; the return key ============================================================

(defvar matlab-return-function 'matlab-indent-end-before-ret
  "Function to handle return key.  Must be one of
    'matlab-plain-ret
    'matlab-indent-after-ret
    'matlab-indent-end-before-ret
    'matlab-indent-before-ret")

(defun matlab-return ()
  "Handle carriage return in matlab-mode."
  (interactive)
  (funcall matlab-return-function))

(defun matlab-plain-ret ()
  "Vanila new line."
  (interactive)
  (newline))
  
(defun matlab-indent-after-ret ()
  "Indent after new line."
  (interactive)
  (newline)
  (matlab-indent-line))

(defun matlab-indent-end-before-ret ()
  "Indent line if block end, start new line, and indent again."
  (interactive)
  (if (save-excursion
	(beginning-of-line)
	(looking-at "\\s-*\\(elseif\\|else\\|end\\)\\b"))
      (matlab-indent-line))
  (newline)
  (matlab-indent-line))

(defun matlab-indent-before-ret ()
  "Indent line, start new line, and indent again."
  (interactive)
  (matlab-indent-line)
  (newline)
  (matlab-indent-line))

(defun matlab-linefeed ()
  "Handle linefeed in matlab-mode.
Has effect of matlab-return with (not matlab-indent-before-return)."
  (interactive)
  (matlab-indent-line)
  (newline)
  (matlab-indent-line))

(defun matlab-comment-return ()
  "Handle carriage return for matlab comment line."
  (interactive)
  (cond
   ((matlab-ltype-comm)
    (matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix) (newline) (insert fill-prefix)
    (matlab-indent-line))
   ((matlab-lattr-comm)
    (newline) (indent-to matlab-comment-column)
    (insert matlab-comment-on-line-s))
   (t
    (newline) (matlab-comment) (matlab-indent-line))))

(defun matlab-comment ()
  "Add a comment to the current line.  If one already exists, format it."
  (interactive)
  (cond
   ((matlab-ltype-empty)
    (matlab-indent-line)
    (insert matlab-comment-line-s))
   ((matlab-ltype-comm)
    (save-excursion
      (if (and (= 0 (forward-line -1)) (matlab-ltype-comm))
	  (progn 
	    (matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix)
	    (forward-line 1)
	    (beginning-of-line)
	    (delete-horizontal-space) (delete-char 1) (delete-horizontal-space)
	    (insert fill-prefix)))))
   ((matlab-lattr-comm)
    (beginning-of-line)
    (re-search-forward "[^%]%\\s-")
    (forward-char -1)
    (delete-horizontal-space)
    (forward-char -1)
    (delete-char 1)
    (insert matlab-comment-line-s)
    (if (< (current-column) matlab-comment-column)
	(indent-to matlab-comment-column))
    (skip-chars-forward "%\\s-"))
   (t
    (end-of-line)
    (re-search-backward "[^ \t\n^]" 0 t)
    (forward-char)
    (delete-horizontal-space)
    (if (< (current-column) matlab-comment-column)
	(indent-to matlab-comment-column)
      (insert " "))
    (insert matlab-comment-on-line-s))))

(defun matlab-comment-indent ()
  "Indent a comment line in matlab-mode."
  (matlab-calc-indent))

(defun matlab-comment-region (beg-region end-region arg)
  "Comments every line in the region.
Puts matlab-comment-region-s at the beginning of every line in the region. 
BEG-REGION and END-REGION are args which specify the region boundaries. 
With non-nil ARG, uncomments the region."
  (interactive "*r\nP")
  (let ((end-region-mark (make-marker)) (save-point (point-marker)))
    (set-marker end-region-mark end-region)
    (goto-char beg-region)
    (beginning-of-line)
    (if (not arg)			;comment the region
	(progn (insert matlab-comment-region-s)
	       (while (and  (= (forward-line 1) 0)
			    (< (point) end-region-mark))
		 (insert matlab-comment-region-s)))
      (let ((com (regexp-quote matlab-comment-region-s))) ;uncomment the region
	(if (looking-at com)
	    (delete-region (point) (match-end 0)))
	(while (and  (= (forward-line 1) 0)
		     (< (point) end-region-mark))
	  (if (looking-at com)
	      (delete-region (point) (match-end 0))))))
    (goto-char save-point)
    (set-marker end-region-mark nil)
    (set-marker save-point nil)))


;;; filling ===================================================================

(defun matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix ()
  "Set the fill-prefix for the current (comment) line."
  (setq fill-prefix
	(save-excursion
	  (beginning-of-line) 
	  (buffer-substring
	   (point)
	   (progn (re-search-forward "\\s-*%\\s-*") (point))))))

(defun matlab-set-code-fill-prefix ()
  "Set the fill-prefix for the current code line."
  (setq fill-prefix
	(save-excursion
	  (beginning-of-line) 
	  (buffer-substring
	   (point)
	   (progn (re-search-forward "\\s-*") (point))))))

(defun matlab-auto-fill ()
  "Do filling."
  (interactive)
  (cond
   ((matlab-ltype-comm)
    (matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix) (do-auto-fill))
   ((and (and (matlab-ltype-code) (not (matlab-lattr-comm))) matlab-fill-code)
    (save-excursion
      (while (> (current-column) fill-column) (forward-char -1))
      (re-search-backward "\\s-+") (delete-horizontal-space)
      (insert " ...\n") (matlab-indent-line)))))

(defun matlab-join-comment-lines ()
  "Join current comment line to previous, deleting space and comment mark."
  (interactive)
  (beginning-of-line)
  (forward-char -1) (delete-char 1)	; delete newline
  (delete-horizontal-space)
  (delete-char 1)			; delete "%"
  (delete-horizontal-space)
  (insert " "))

(defun matlab-wrap-line () nil)

(defun matlab-fill-region (beg-region end-region &optional justify-flag)
  "Fill the region. Non-nil arg means justify commment lines as well."
  (interactive "*r\nP")
  (let ((end-reg-mk (make-marker)))
    (set-marker end-reg-mk end-region)
    (goto-char beg-region)
    (beginning-of-line)
    (while (< (save-excursion (forward-line 1) (point)) end-reg-mk)
      (if (save-excursion (= (forward-line 1) 0))
	  (progn 
	    (cond
	     ((matlab-ltype-comm)
	      (while (matlab-fill-comment-line))
	      (if justify-flag (justify-comment-line))))
	    (forward-line 1))))))

(defun matlab-fill-comment-line ()
  "Fill the current comment line."
  (interactive)
  (let ((prev-indent-col 0))
    (beginning-of-line)
    (re-search-forward matlab-cline-start-skip)
    (setq prev-indent-col (current-column))
    (matlab-set-comm-fill-prefix)
    (if (/= (forward-line 1) 0)
	()
      (beginning-of-line)
      (re-search-forward matlab-cline-start-skip)
      (if (/= prev-indent-col (current-column))
	  (progn (forward-line -1) ())
	(matlab-join-comment-lines)
	(if (matlab-wrap-line)
	    (save-excursion
	      (forward-line 1)
	      (beginning-of-line)
	      (insert matlab-comment-line-s)
	      t))))))

(defun matlab-justify-line ()
  "Delete space on end of line and justify."
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (end-of-line)
    (delete-horizontal-space)
    (justify-current-line)))


;;; V19 stuff =================================================================

(defun matlab-mode-hilit ()
  "Set up hilit19 support for matlab-mode."
  (interactive)
  (cond (window-system
	 (setq hilit-mode-enable-list  '(not text-mode)
	       hilit-background-mode   'light
	       hilit-inhibit-hooks     nil
	       hilit-inhibit-rebinding nil)
	 (require 'hilit19)
	 (hilit-set-mode-patterns 'matlab-mode matlab-hilit19-patterns))))

(defun matlab-frame-init ()
  (interactive)
  (modify-frame-parameters (selected-frame) '((menu-bar-lines . 2)))
  ;; make a menu keymap
  (define-key matlab-mode-map [menu-bar matlab]
    (cons "Matlab" (make-sparse-keymap "Matlab")))
  (define-key matlab-mode-map
    [menu-bar matlab version]
    '("version" . matlab-show-version)))


;;; matlab debugging ==========================================================

;;;<<< TBD >>>;;;


;;; matlab-mode debugging =====================================================

(defun matlab-show-line-info ()
  "Display type and attributes of current line.  Used in debugging."
  (interactive)
  (let ((msg "line-info:") (deltas (matlab-calc-deltas)))
    (cond
     ((matlab-ltype-empty)
      (setq msg (concat msg " empty")))
     ((matlab-ltype-comm)
      (setq msg (concat msg " comment")))
     (t
      (setq msg (concat msg " code"))))
    (setq msg (concat msg " add-from-prev="
		      (int-to-string (car deltas))))
    (setq msg (concat msg " add-to-next="
		      (int-to-string (car (cdr deltas)))))
    (setq msg (concat msg " indent="
		      (int-to-string (matlab-calc-indent))))
    (if (matlab-lattr-cont)
	(setq msg (concat msg " w/cont")))
    (if (matlab-lattr-comm)
	(setq msg (concat msg " w/comm")))
    (message msg)))

(defun matlab-clear-vars ()
  (interactive)
  (makunbound 'matlab-indent-level)
  (makunbound 'matlab-cont-level)
  (makunbound 'matlab-comment-line-s)
  (makunbound 'matlab-comment-on-line-s)
  (makunbound 'matlab-comment-region-s)
  (makunbound 'matlab-indent-function)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-mode-syntax-table)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-mode-abbrev-table)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-mode-map)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-beg-pre)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-mid-pre)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-end-pre)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-other-pre)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-re)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-beg-re)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-block-end-re)
  (makunbound 'matlab-cline-start-skip)
  (makunbound 'matlab-matlab-font-lock-keywords))


;;; stuff which belongs elsewhere =============================================

(defun position-at-eol ()		; return point for end-of-line
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (end-of-line)
    (point)))

(defun justify-comment-line ()
  "Add spaces to comment line point is in, so it ends at fill-column."
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (let (ncols beg)
	(beginning-of-line)
	(forward-char (length fill-prefix))
	(skip-chars-forward " \t")
	(setq beg (point))
	(end-of-line)
	(narrow-to-region beg (point))
	(goto-char beg)
	(while (re-search-forward "   *" nil t)
	  (delete-region
	   (+ (match-beginning 0)
	      (if (save-excursion
		    (skip-chars-backward " ])\"'")
		    (memq (preceding-char) '(?. ?? ?!)))
		  2 1))
	   (match-end 0)))
	(goto-char beg)
	(while (re-search-forward "[.?!][])""']*\n" nil t)
	  (forward-char -1)
	  (insert " "))
	(goto-char (point-max))
	(setq ncols (- fill-column (current-column)))
	(if (search-backward " " nil t)
	    (while (> ncols 0)
	      (let ((nmove (+ 3 (% (random) 3))))
		(while (> nmove 0)
		  (or (search-backward " " nil t)
		      (progn
			(goto-char (point-max))
			(search-backward " ")))
		  (skip-chars-backward " ")
		  (setq nmove (1- nmove))))
	      (insert " ")
	      (skip-chars-backward " ")
	      (setq ncols (1- ncols))))))))


;;; junk? =====================================================================

(if (string-match "Lucid$" emacs-version)
    (progn
      (defvar font-lock-comment-face 'font-lock-comment-face)
      (defvar font-lock-string-face 'font-lock-string-face)
      (defvar font-lock-function-name-face 'font-lock-function-name-face)
      (defvar font-lock-keyword-face 'font-lock-keyword-face)
      (defvar font-lock-type-face 'font-lock-type-face)))


(provide 'matlab-mode)
;; --- last line of matlab-mode.el --- 
 

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> XEmacs is often praised for the ease of use the toolbar provides
> 
> today, to access the toolbar i need a full emacs frame, but many tasks
> that are done using the toolbar are not related to the buffer
> currently shown in that frame
> 
> i propose that when i iconify/kill the last visible frame, XEmacs pops
> up a little window, with its logo and the toolbar icons that trigger
> actions not related to a specific buffer, like find-file, dired, vm,
> gnus, info, etc, a bit like this (just substitute logo/bitmaps for
> words
> 
>    +----+----+----+----+----+----+
>    | XE |File|Dir |Mail|News|Info|
>    +----+----+----+----+----+----+

Better yet why not just a palette of buttons.

This way you could associate a pallette with a mode.  Or have a global
palette that would do what you want above.  Things could be added like
in screen with focus raise pallette for current mode.  Or have a
pallette defined that is global and can sit say inside of the CDE tool
bar. (Note most vendours now support CDE desktop interfaces)

I would also like a pallette that would stay around an perform common
functions that I do in all my buffers,  why some modes complete steal the
tool bar and I loose my costumizations and I have to sit there and
add my stuff to each mode over and over again.  I just want a global pallette
of functions that I can carry with me.

I like it!!

Just watch they already probably thought of this and that is the new
wiz bang feature of 19.15 or 20.00.

Wow stop right there.  I just sat here thinking and what popped into
my head was microsoft pallettes and all of a sudden I saw XEmacs
looking like word 6.0.

Mark Daku 
daku@nortel.ca

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Lars Hecking <lhecking@carlow.nmrc.ucc.ie> writes:

> Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com> writes:
> 
>    Does anyone know how to reload .emacs without exiting Xemacs? For
>    example, I just modify something and I want it to effect in the current
>    Xemacs.
> 
> What's wrong with M-x load-file ~/.emacs?

Probably that some modifications (like adding to a load-path or so)
should not be done twice.

In general, I find it easiest after having inserted something new (or
a change of some variable) to go after the parenthesized expression
and type C-x C-e (if it is one expression only), or mark the region in
question and type M-x eval-region.

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Van P. Trinh (vant@minerva.robadome.com) wrote:
> You could try this:
> C-x h (to mark the region, in this case it's the buffer)
> C-u M-| nl (run shell command nl on the marked bufer)

No need for that. I have been refered to a package that enables
Vi-style line numbering in Emacs/XEmacs. I can post it if someone is
interested.

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Mark Mostow (mostow@watson.ibm.com) wrote:
> I love Xemacs except for one respect in which it differs from GNU emacs.
> When I type C-x C-c (save-buffers-kill-emacs) in an emacs session
> which has an emacs shell running, GNU emacs prints a message:
>  Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)
> This protects me from killing emacs unintentionally if I accidentally
> type C-x C-c.
>  But Xemacs (version 19.13) kills emacs without asking, unless I happen
> to have some unsaved buffers. I have accidentally killed my Xemacs 
> many times.

I don't think it's an Emacs/XEmacs difference because XEmacs works
correctly for me in that respect. Try examining your ~/.emacs or
/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/site-{start,init}.el.

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Prasad Deshpande (pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com) wrote:
>   It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving the mouse 
> (as opposed to moving and clicking on the window)? I am using Xemacs 
> 19.14 on SunOS.

I think this depends on the Window Manager you use, not XEmacs
itself. Try looking up in the manual of your WM.

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

    Hrvoje> Prasad Deshpande (pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com) wrote:
    >> It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving the
    >> mouse (as opposed to moving and clicking on the window)? I am
    >> using Xemacs 19.14 on SunOS.

    Hrvoje> I think this depends on the Window Manager you use, not
    Hrvoje> XEmacs itself. Try looking up in the manual of your WM.

I don't think so. What I assume Prasad wanted is for emacs to follow
the mouse. eg I have my window manager (fvwm) set to focus follows
pointer, so when the mous goes into the emacs frame, emacs has the
focus. But the focus will be in the window in that frame that you last
clicked in. ie split your emacs frame into 2 windows, now type
something, now move the mouse into the other window and type. You are
still typing in the first window. 
I would like the operation that Prasad wants but I can see a problem
with it. If you split the frame as above you would have to aware of
which half of the frame the mouse was in as that window would get
focus.

Emacs (or is it XEmacs) confuses me with its terminology of frames,
windows and buffers so excuse me if I've got the teminology wrong, but
hopefully I've made myself understood.

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In article <vwranzwkcj.fsf@lucy.coronacorp.com>,
J. P. Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> wrote:
>       (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (mail-mode . 5000)))
>
>And as expected if I have a large c file font-lock doesn't kick in.
>It still does in VM however.  Anyone have an idea why?

Two points:

* mail-mode is the mode for composing e-mails: mail -reading- is done
in `vm-mode'.

* i didn't think VM used font-lock anyway. But if it does, it does...

Try (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (vm-mode . 5000)))

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The variable gnus-auto-mail-to-author apparently no longer exists in
Gnus v5.2.25. Is there an alternative way to automatically mail the
author when following up messages?

--Thomas

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i'd like to have two additional things in emacs for programming.

unfortunately etags requires special formatting of the source code.
i'm looking for a version of etags which does not have this 
limitation. the second thing i'd like is the possibility to 
fold c-procedures as in a folding editor (e.g. origami editor).
this would make it easier to keep track of a module while programming.

do such extensions for emacs exist? or where do i have to start
if i'd like to add it myself (i did some minor customization with
lisp but not more). do you know about books and/or manuals?

any help is greatly appreciated.

regards,
roman

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From: zhgnp@svusnet.ubs.ch ( Hanspeter Gehr)
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Subject: manuals for emacs
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does anybody know where i can find an emacs manual (ps file)

please send mail to:   hanspeter.gehr@ubs.ch


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tomaz@alibaba.ijs.si (Tomaz Erjavec) writes:
> XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix5.3) of Wed Jun 26 1996 on extreme
> 
> I've just installed 19.14 and gnus doesn't work in rather bizzare ways.
> First it complaind that it has a wrong type of argument in 
> message.el at 
> (easy-menu-define message-mode-menu message-mode-map
>   "Message Menu."
>   '("Message"

I have seen this exact behavior before. I currently do not have access
to that machine, but I believe it was a Solaris box and the copy of
XEmacs was one of the precompiled binaries (I might be mistaken
though). I eventually traced the problem to a mismatch in the
bytecompiled files. I would suggest, that you either re-bytecompile
your elisp files or reinstall XEmacs from scratch.


Markus

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famous "Learning GNU Emacs" is due to be in their warehouses next
Friday (Sept 27). It will be based on GNU Emacs 19.29. Can't wait!!
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From: perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de (Perbandt.Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 )
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Q: OO-Browser and enum in C++
Date: 20 Sep 1996 14:38:52 GMT
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Hi there,

my problem is as follows:

I want to browse through C++ code. For this I created an OOBR database
from all directories where C++ source code is located as well as all
the include directories where class definitions, constants etc. are
stored.

In one of our .h files we have lots of globally valid enum type
definitions. They look like this:

	enum currentTimeSourceType {
		currentTimeSourceExternal = 0,
		currentTimeSourceInternal = 1,
		currentTimeSourceTypeCnt = 2
	};


When I start the OO browser I get three side by side buffers with all
classes in the leftmost buffer. The class list is followed by a list
of specific elements that can be browsed:

[constant]
[enumeration]
[function]
[macro]
[structure]
[type]
[union]

But when trying to see the enum type definitions I get the message "No
features". 

Did OOBR not put the necessary information into its database or what
am I doing wrong? 

I use XEmacs, version 19.13 with OOBR version 02.09.08.

Thanks in advance,

Adalbert Perbandt.
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>>>>> "Ed" == Ed King <kinge@oklahoma.net> writes:

Ed> All of a sudden vm and rmail stopped working.  Here is the back trace
Ed> from rmail:
Ed> Signalling: (file-error "Renaming" "permission denied"
Ed> "/var/spool/mail/kinge" 
Ed> "/var/spool/mail/kinge+")
Ed>   rename-file("/var/spool/mail/kinge" "/var/spool/mail/kinge+" nil)

Ed> I'm using Xemacs 19.14.  What's going on?  Elm works fine.

What are the permissions on the `/var/spool/mail' directory?  What are
the permissions on the movemail program
`/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/<arch-name>/movemail'?

Have the permissions changed recently on the spool directory?  What is
the value of the variable `rmail-spool-directory', and has that been
changed recently?

And lastly, what are the permissions on Elm?
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Ian" == Ian MacKinnon <imac@rd.abs.alcatel.co.uk> writes:
>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>>>>> "Prasad" == Prasad Deshpande (pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com) wrote:

Prasad> It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving the
Prasad> mouse (as opposed to moving and clicking on the window)? I am
Prasad> using Xemacs 19.14 on SunOS.

Hrvoje> I think this depends on the Window Manager you use, not
Hrvoje> XEmacs itself. Try looking up in the manual of your WM.

Ian> I don't think so. What I assume Prasad wanted is for emacs to follow
Ian> the mouse. eg I have my window manager (fvwm) set to focus follows
Ian> pointer, so when the mous goes into the emacs frame, emacs has the
Ian> focus. But the focus will be in the window in that frame that you last
Ian> clicked in. ie split your emacs frame into 2 windows, now type
Ian> something, now move the mouse into the other window and type. You are
Ian> still typing in the first window. 

Hrvoje is correct.  What Ian describes sounds like a bug in fvwm.
This is (and must be) an operation of the Window Manager.  I use olvwm
in focus follows pointer mode,

OpenWindows*SetInput:   followmouse

and what Prasad describes *is* the kind of behavior I observe.

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Can anyone explain why these work as they do?  When I do
"forward-sentence", I want to go to the *beginning* of the 
*next* sentence, not the end of the current one.  Ditto when
I do kill-sentence; I want to kill the spaces after the 
current sentence too.

Yikes, something that vi seems to get right.



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Hi, I am running Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4. When I connect to a
running Xemacs on my Solaris system from a remote host everything works
fine unless I loose my network connection for some reason. Once the
remote frame is lost, my main Xemacs processes  dies soon after.

Typical scenario, I dial into my workstation from home using PPP over a
dialup line and startup a remote frame with 

	gnudoit '(make-frame-on-display "remote:0.0")'

At some point I loose my telephone connection unexpectedly and the
remote frame dies. The main Xemacs on my server workstation dies also.
Is there some way to prevent this from happening? 

In fact, a follow up to this is that the remote frame that is created by
the above gnudoit command has the File->Delete Frame command grayed
over. However, I can issue the command C-x 5 0 by hand and the remote
frame will go away. BUT this also causes the server Xemacs to exit. What
is wrong here?

mike harper
Alcoa Laboratories



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Hi,

I'm afraid my question was already answered here, but as I didn't pay
attention cause I needn't, now I'm in trouble.

I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.

I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll, I
have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last part
(the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white. The Xresources
are not considered. A colleague of mine, which uses my machine
remotely from a Sun (which supposedly uses X11R6) tried too the Xoobr
and OBTAINED CORRECT RESULTS (visible tree, drawn in yellow on
darkgrey with red for selections, as I configured).

When I compiled xoobr I noticed that the Makefile pointed for
Xresources a directory /usr/moto/X11R5 (I know, I changed this to my
path, /usr/X11R6) but what bothered me was the default to X11R5. 

Is it true that my problems are comming from such incompatibility of the
code (written for R5) with my actual X?

Is there a more recent version of xoobr? Are the modifications to make
in order to obtain correct results not so clumsy ?(I am really new in X
programming, Xlib using is now ZERO with me).

Thanks a lot. Please reply by mail, as I receive the news quite slowly
(the server!).

				Cristian


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I had this problem with 19.14 on an AlphaStation running OSF 3.0.  It
turns out to be a bug with call-process, which does not return the
correct exit code (the vc stuff is checking whether the checked-in
version is up to date).  

Here's (part of) a message psoted by Stephen Carney
<carney@gvc.dec.com> in response to my posting on this:

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George Avrunin <avrunin@ext.math.umass.edu> writes:

> Using the precompiled binary for OSF1/v3.2 on a DEC Alpha (this occurs
> on machines running 3.0B and 3.2C) call-process does not return the
> correct exit code.  

This is fixed in the next release.  I'll make a new 19.14 binary kit.
The corresponding source patch will soon appear in:
  http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html

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Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?
-- 
Greg Flurry			
IBM Power Personal Systems Division, Austin, TX
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Hi,

Does anybody know how to get ange-ftp and/or rlogin 
to track the current working directory,
so that tab filename expansion works correctly?

I guess what I'm asking for is for rlogin to
do a behind-the-scenes `pwd` at every new
UNIX prompt.

Please reply via email and to the newgroup.

Thanks,
Brent Goodrick

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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Hrvoje is correct.  What Ian describes sounds like a bug in fvwm.
[...]

If Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology, I was not
correct. Emacs' windows are e.g. what you get after pressing C-x 2.
Focus following them has nothing to do with WM, it would have to be a
feature of Emacs.

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I have no idea how to set up my .emacs file to print to a different
printer. I am running 19.13 from my sun workstation via Solaris server.
I tried the following:

(setq lpr-command "lpr") 
(setq lpr-switches '("-Pjava"))

This is exactly how it looks in my .emacs.
Why will this not print to "java"?

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Is it possible to modify the frame title format to indicate if the
current buffer has been modified?

--
Please reply to dj901@freenet.carleton.ca.

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>>>>> "Roman" == Roman Puttkammer <rputtkam@iiic.ethz.ch> writes:

Roman> i'd like to have two additional things in emacs for programming.

Roman> unfortunately etags requires special formatting of the source
Roman> code.  i'm looking for a version of etags which does not have
Roman> this limitation. the second thing i'd like is the possibility
Roman> to fold c-procedures as in a folding editor (e.g. origami
Roman> editor).  this would make it easier to keep track of a module
Roman> while programming.

Take a look at foldout.el in the lisp/utils directory of the XEmacs
distribution:

;;; foldout.el --- Folding extensions for outline-mode and outline-minor-mode.

;; Copyright (C) 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Kevin Broadey <KevinB@bartley.demon.co.uk>
 ...
;;; Advertisements:
 ...
;; c-outline.el (by me) provides outline-mode support to recognise `C'
;; statements as outline headings, so with foldout you can have a folding `C'
;; code editor without having to put in start- and end-of-fold markers.  This
;; is a real winner!


I've never used it, so I don't know how well it works.
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Does any one know of a ASN.1 mode for emacs. 
             thanks
             Ayman

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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Ho <dj901@freenet.carleton.ca> writes:

Colin> Is it possible to modify the frame title format to indicate if the
Colin> current buffer has been modified?

Yes.  The notation `%*' when used in the frame-title-format variable
has exactly the same meaning it does on the mode line (shows `%' for
read only, `-' for unmodified, and `*' for modified).
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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Hi,

I like the fact that I can mark and decode articles in GNUS under XEMACS-19.14
on my Linux 2.0.x box.  As it stands, I can only do it one at a time.  I tried marking 
more than one article and hitting the decode button but I always get the error
message "wrong file type".  Is there a way around this or can you only decode
one article at a time?

Thanks in advance.

Bidemi Temidire

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Taking 5 minutes to read what follows can change your life :


  I saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me I could
  make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5.

  I thought it  was a huge joke. I spoke  to my wife, attorney
  and friends about  it, and they all agreed it  was some kind
  of scam. I  can't stand scams, because  usually someone gets
  burned, and I didn't want it to be me. Of course, I rejected
  the idea at  first. after a short period of  about two weeks
  ,I thought  : "I have already  heard of such things.  But on
  the Internet ?!?!? ". I decided  that even if I had to throw
  5$ into the fire, I wouldn't  mind it that much, and gave it
  a try .After all I needed a LOT more than five dollars.


  Two weeks  later, I began  receiving money in  the mail!   I
  could not believe it! Soon, hundreds,  and then thousands of
  dollars began to  roll in. Within 4 weeks, I  had received a
  total of $32,445!  It came from everywhere in  the world. My
  bank account has changed its "-"  into a big "+" (++++)!!!,I
  bought myself a car and things I wanted for a long long time
  for my wife and kids!


  If you follow the three steps  below, there is no reason why
  the  same shouldn't  happen  to you!  This  is a  legitimate
  investment  opportunity. You  invest $5,  and you  receive a
  return on  your investment. So  does the next  investor. NOT
  ILLEGAL, NOT A CHAIN LETTER- PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE.

  If  you  are not  interested,  then  don't participate,  but
  please print this article and pass  it on to someone who may
  be interested, so they can take advantage.

  The procedure is simple: 1) Write your name and address on 5
  sheets of paper.   Below that, write the  words, "Please add
  me to  your mailing  list." Fold  $1 note  or bank  draft or
  money order  in each  piece of  paper and  mail them  to the
  following 5 addresses.:


  1. Bill Brown
     148 South Downlen #796
     Beaumont, Tx. 77707     USA

  2. Olivier Arcadipane
      237 rue Francois Andre
      7390 Quaregnon       BELGIUM

  3. Josef Malzer,
     Brandhof 1
     4701 Bad Schallerbach
     EUROPE - AUSTRIA

  4. Josh Jones
     8012 Edgewood Dr.
     Ham Lake, MN         USA

  5. Guido Schonkeren
     van de Hoopstraat 21
     9716 JL Groningen
     the Netherlands      EUROPE
        
  2) Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other
  four names up. In other words,  #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put
  your name as the  fifth one on the list.   Use a simple text
  editor such as  Notepad,  in your   "accessories" window (If
  you have  MS-Windows),or DOS  editor.   In fact,  any editor
  will do.

  3) Post  the article to at  least 200 newsgroups.  There are
  17,000, so  it shouldn't  be hard  to find  that many.   Try
  posting to as  many  newsgroups as you can,   and the bigger
  the newsgroup is,  the more  people are to see your message!

  You  are now  in  the mail  order  investment business,  and
  should start seeing returns within a week or two. Of course,
  the more newsgroups you post to, the greater your return is.
  If you  wish to remain anonymous,  you may use  a psuedonym,
  call yourself  "The Manager", "The Boss",  whatever but make
  sure your address is correct.

  Now, here is why the system works:

  -Of every  200 posts  I made, I  received 5  responses. Yes,
  only 5. You make $5 for every 200 posts with your name at #5.

  -Each person who  sent you $1 now also  makes 200 additional
  postings with your name at #4. ie. 1000 postings. On average
  therefore, 50 people will send you  $1 with your name at #4.
  $50.

  -Your 50 new agents make 200 postings each with your name at
  #3 or  10,000 postings.  Average return  500 people  = $500.
  They make  200 postings  each with  your name  at #2=100,000
  postings=5000 return at $1 each=$5000.

  -Finally, 5,000 people  make 200 postings with  your name at
  #1 and  you get a return  of $50,000 before your  name drops
  off the list. AND THATS IF  EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE MAKES 200
  POSTINGS! Total income in one cycle=$55,000.

  From time to  time, when you see your name  no longer on the
  list,  you  take the  latest  posting  that appears  in  the
  newsgroups, and  send out another $5,  and put your  name at
  #5, and start posting again. Remember,  200 postings is only
  a guideline. the more you post, the greater the return.

  Lets review why you should do this. THE ONLY COST IS $5, AND
  5 STAMPS, AND 5 ENVELOPES.  Anyone can afford $5 for such an
  effortless investment with such SPECTACULAR RETURNS.

  Some people have said to me,  "what happens if the scheme is
  played out and no one sends me any money?  "Big Deal, so you
  lose $5-but what are the chances of that happening ?? Do you
  Realize that  NOBODY cares for  the LEGAL chance  of winning
  such  a BIG  money as  50,000.00  $$$$ ????  and  all for  a
  microscopic investment of five  separate dollars? just think
  of all  of the new  Internet users that  join the  net every
  day!!!

  There are  millions of internet  users, and millions  of new
  net surfers every  month !!!  This is the  great plus of the
  Internet,  people all over the world can hear you and listen
  carefully if you  talk reasonably.  Everyone  will take that
  chance !  I agree,  If  it wasn't the  Internet,  and  was a
  small circle  of people,  the chance  wouldn't have  been so
  small.  the amount of money had to be 200 times bigger,  and
  the chances were zero.  It wouldn't succeed.

  But here, on the Internet, it is a giant village,  where new
  thousands of members join in every day ! you CAN'T lose !!!!

  Remember- read the instructions  carefully, and play fairly.
  That's the  only way this will  work. Get a printout  so you
  can refer back to this article easily.

  Try to  keep a  list of  everyone that  sends you  money and
  always keep an eye on the  postings to make sure everyone is
  playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

  REMEMBER-HONESTY IS  THE BEST  POLICY.  YOU  DO NOT  NEED TO
  CHEAT THIS  IDEA TO  MAKE MONEY!!   BESIDES,NOT  PLAYING THE
  GAME  FAIRLY  IS ILLEGAL.SO  LET'S  BE  REASONABLE AND  PLAY
  FAIRLY,SO WE CAN ALL ENJOY THE INTERNET GOLD MINE.

  GOOD LUCK  FOR YOU ALL, And  remember, play fair  and you'll
  win,  I don't want to mention what might happen to those who
  won't.   AND  AGAIN,SEE  YOU NEXT  TIME  WITH SOMETHING  YOU
  WANTED FOR A LONG TIME !!!

  IF you don't make money roll, who will? ;-) (cfr. shareware).
  Just do it!

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>>>>> "Cristian" == Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

Cristian> Hi,

Cristian> I'm afraid my question was already answered here, but as I didn't pay
Cristian> attention cause I needn't, now I'm in trouble.

Cristian> I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
Cristian> unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.

Cristian> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
Cristian> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
Cristian> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
Cristian> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll,
Cristian> I have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
Cristian> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last
Cristian> part (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white.

I have exactly the same problem on my Sparc5/Solaris2.4. In my case this is
certainly related to the fact that I have a 24bit X server because I can run
xoobr correctly on any other display in my lab. I wrote to Torgeir Veimo
(referred as the maintainer in the source) about that problem, here is what he
answered : 

Torgeir> The error is due to the code that does double buffering in the
Torgeir> tree-display area. I didn't create that piece of code, I merely ported
Torgeir> a Motif browser to an athena widget version. I think the differences
Torgeir> between the Xt/Motif drawing-area and Athena's simple-widget may cause
Torgeir> the error, but I'm not shure. I'm not actively maintaining the code
Torgeir> anymore, due to lack of time. (Shame.. :)

Torgeir> I think the you can get it to work properly by using a pseudocolor
Torgeir> visual when running it. Try "ading xoobr*visual: PseudoColor" to your
Torgeir> .Xdefaults file.

Torgeir> I did wanted to reimplement the three drawing code when I did that
Torgeir> port, but it has some attrative features that are hard to implement,
Torgeir> and Bob (the originator of oobr), didn't want me to use time on that.

I tried adding the mentioned resource to my X resources but it resulted in an X
error message saying the required visual did not exist which is surprising
since xdpyinfo shows it exists and xv runs correctly with it... :-(

Unfortunately I have only very basic knowledge about X and could not
investigate the problem further. If someone has a solution it would really be
welcome !

Oscar

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Oscar Figueiredo wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Cristian" == Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

> Cristian> I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
> Cristian> unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.
> 
> Cristian> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
> Cristian> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
> Cristian> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
> Cristian> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll,
> Cristian> I have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
> Cristian> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last
> Cristian> part (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white.
> 
> I have exactly the same problem on my Sparc5/Solaris2.4. In my case this is
> certainly related to the fact that I have a 24bit X server because I can run
> xoobr correctly on any other display in my lab. I wrote to Torgeir Veimo

> answered :
> 
> Torgeir> I think the you can get it to work properly by using a pseudocolor
> Torgeir> visual when running it. Try "ading xoobr*visual: PseudoColor" to your
> Torgeir> .Xdefaults file.
> 
> I tried adding the mentioned resource to my X resources but it resulted in an X
> error message saying the required visual did not exist which is surprising
> since xdpyinfo shows it exists and xv runs correctly with it... :-(
> 
> Oscar

Hi,

Thanks a lot. I advanced a little.

Indeed, the things are going wrong because of the color depth of X
server. Mine is set to 16 bpp. However, when I experimented on the other
virtual graphic terminal (display :1) at 8 bpp, it works great.

I think there is a standard (and of course, well known by the others but
not by me :-{ ) workaround for this not so beautiful situation when some
X programs are written for 8 bits depths and must force them support
more (or less!?) than that.

Of course, I tried for myself the PseudoColor thing, but for me xdpyinfo
reports only one visual available: TrueColor. And any other thing I
tried in the .Xdefaults is not working. That's that. If the time will
multiply for me tonight (by some miraculous time mitogenesis :->) I'll
search some information on changing visuals. If not ...


					Thanks again to you and to Torgeir

						Cristian

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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@aphrodite.uwaterloo.ca> writes:

root> Hi,

root> I like the fact that I can mark and decode articles in GNUS
root> under XEMACS-19.14 on my Linux 2.0.x box.  As it stands, I can
root> only do it one at a time.  I tried marking more than one article
root> and hitting the decode button but I always get the error message
root> "wrong file type".  Is there a way around this or can you only
root> decode one article at a time?

You get the `wrong type file' message when you are attempting to
uudecode a group of messages and run across a message in MIME/base-64.
I would expect this to work much better once the Tools for MIME (tm)
package is distributed standard with XEmacs, and Gnus can be more MIME
aware.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Hi,

I was hoping to see this issue covered in the XEmacs FAQ, but I didn't.
I hope this question isn't a FAQ nonetheless.

Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I am able
to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the "Options" menu.
However, when I save the opetions and restart XEmacs, the fonts
are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my X display.  Is there a
way I can make lucidatypewriter my default font for all faces?

Thanks.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

| 17.9.96, epstein@cd.com (Milt Epstein) gnu.emacs.help
| There is a recent-files package for XEmacs, which adds a menubar item
| for recently visited files (and some related functionality), but this
| package as is only works with XEmacs.  Does anyone have/know of a
| similar package for GNU Emacs, or if there is a version of this

Comes also with emacs in the latest releases.
/jari


My LCD-datafile.gz, which can be ftp'd from ohio, says:
~ --> /archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive

;; msb|Lars Lindberg|Lars.Lindberg@sypro.cap.se, |
;; <Choose buffer with the mouse>|
;; 12-Dec-1994|3.22|Version ~/packages/msb.el.Z|~/packages/msb.el.gz|


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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@hrym.ifi.uio.no>
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Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> The variable gnus-auto-mail-to-author apparently no longer exists in
> Gnus v5.2.25. Is there an alternative way to automatically mail the
> author when following up messages?

You can push `C-c C-t' to insert a To header that points to the person
who wrote the article you're following up.

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From: jerijian@mulholland.seas.ucla.edu (Arthur D. Jerijian)
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On 20 Sep 1996 17:16:26 GMT, Greg Flurry <flurry@austin.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
>doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?

Not that I'm aware of.  There's a version of GNU Emacs availavle
at ftp://ftp.cs.washington.edu/pub/ntemacs.

>-- 
>Greg Flurry			
>IBM Power Personal Systems Division, Austin, TX
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Hi,

As it stands, I start up Vm, under XEMACS-19.14, on my Linux 2.0.x box,
by issuing the command "xemacs -f vm".  This opens up an xemacs session
running VM with the INBOX folder open.  I'd like to be able to specify a different
folder ould be opened on start up.  Is this possible?

Thanks in advance,

Bidemi Temidire

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I missed that patch... can you mail me a copy?  What I'm wondering
is...

I'm using Linux libc 5.3.12   Are other Linux users who have non-beta
libc's NOT experiencing intermittant seg-faults when VM opens a window?

 I can use VM most of the time with no problems.  But every once in a
while, it dumps core when I press R,r, or open another folder.

 It is in lwlib, and because of a null pointer deref.  Any ideas?

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I missed that patch... can you mail me a copy?  What I'm wondering
is...

I'm using Linux libc 5.3.12   Are other Linux users who have non-beta
libc's NOT experiencing intermittant seg-faults when VM opens a window?

 I can use VM most of the time with no problems.  But every once in a
while, it dumps core when I press R,r, or open another folder.

 It is in lwlib, and because of a null pointer deref.  Any ideas?

-- 
Karl M. Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
(K0D) AYG-GE01  Portland, OR, USA
:) Proudly running Linux 2.0.20 and GNU public software!

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From: moan@evolution.bmc.uu.se ()
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Hi,

Has anyone come up with a solution to this - that is, make all marked
files unmarked and vice versa in a single keystroke?

Thanks,

Morten
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Gnuattach works very nicely in XEmacs 14. I could not find any
documention about how to detach the terminal nicely, however.

Can anyone tell me if there is a command to detach?

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I use other-frame to switch between frames. I want my vm mail frame to
be ignored by this command though. I want to select and raise the vm
frame only when I issue the vm command. What is the best way to do this?m

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From: Casey Nielson <knielson@joule.elee.calpoly.edu>
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root wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As it stands, I start up Vm, under XEMACS-19.14, on my Linux 2.0.x box,
> by issuing the command "xemacs -f vm".  This opens up an xemacs session
> running VM with the INBOX folder open.  I'd like to be able to specify a different
> folder ould be opened on start up.  Is this possible?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Bidemi Temidire

In your .vm, add a line

(setq vm-primary-inbox "~/Mail/Yourfolder")

for example.

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To: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Ian" == Ian MacKinnon <imac@rd.abs.alcatel.co.uk> writes:
>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>>>>> "Prasad" == Prasad Deshpande (pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com) wrote:

    Prasad> It is possible to activate an emace window by just moving
    Prasad> the mouse (as opposed to moving and clicking on the
    Prasad> window)? I am using Xemacs 19.14 on SunOS.

 An example of where I would find this useful is ...

Open two files in one frame (ie 2 emacs windows in one frame)
Double click on a word in one window, to make a selection
Move the mouse into the other window and press find, and the match is
found in the wrong window.

However if this was implented, and whatever window the pointer was in
was active what would happen when you typed Meta-x ?

Note when I say window I mean emacs window and not window manager
window, which I think is a frame.

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From: Christoph Hollmann <hollmann@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de>
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Subject: emacs for mac?
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I am looking for an emacs or xemacs  which is running on a mac. Does
such a port  exist at all?
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From: louisnar@picpus.enstimac.fr (Olivier LOUISNARD)
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Subject: xemacs on linux doesn't start
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Hi,

I downloaded xemacs for installing on Linux (Kernel 1.2.13) :

xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxelf-motif-static.tar.gz

After successful installation (I installed the binaries directly, 
without compiling anything), I try to launch xemacs, and get the
message :

	xemacs : cannot resolve symbol _h_errno
	Segmentation fault

I make an ldd on the binary xemacs to look at the required 
shared-libraries, and I've got all of them.

Do I have a library that is not up-to-date or something like that ?

Many thanks for help, and sorry if it is a FAQ.

-- 
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Subject: compiling under IRIX 4.0
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recentrly I tried to compile / install xemacs under IRIX 4.0.
It compiled smoothly but when I ran xemacs, there was a strange
behavior, i.e. xemacs seemed not to recognice any key-event. I could
move the cursor just by pressing the mouse within a text, but not with
the keybord. If I use the menu to open a file, writing in the open file
dialog box works fine.
Thanks for any hints,	Stefan

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From: Gary Adams - Sun Microsystems Labs BOS <Gary.Adams@East.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Caching font information for ps-print
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 

> You can turn this off by setting ps-auto-font-detect to nil, but that
> does not answer your question.  The ps-build-face-reference
> ps-always-build-face-reference don't appear to be much help either.
> 
> There's no option for it, so it would have to be coded as an extension
> to ps-print.

Hi Steve,
	Martin Buchholz suggested I ask you about the ps-print 
faces support. Seeing this post above, I'm assuming you're still 
active in this area.

      Anyway, I've been trying to find the right answer to the 
question, "How are mule encoded buffers printed in xemacs 20.0?"
I thought the right answer would be ps-print-buffer-with-faces,
but after a quick look at the code I think that only answers
part of the question. The old mule 2.3 sources used a stand alone
program to insert the bitmaps into the postscript output file.

    In theory, anything I see on the screen should be able to 
be sent to a printer.  My test case (20.0beta29) is "C-h T Japanese"
"C-u M-x ps-print-buffer-with-faces Tutorial.jp.ps". Is this 
just wishful thinking?

Any info/pointers would be appreciated.

-- 
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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: more libthread panic
Date: 23 Sep 1996 10:07:10 -0700
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I continue to be bewildered by this.  Ocassionally I get the following
output on my console when running Xemacs 19-14 under Solaris 2.5:

 > lucy local/sox%>  libthread panic: _dynamiclwps(): bad return: _signotifywait()  > (PID: 9680 LWP 2)
 > stacktrace:
 >         ef31ac14
 >         ef31ca10
 >         ef3b3cec
 >         0
 > 

After a little bit Xemacs crashes with the following message on the
console:

 > _signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
 > _signotifywait(): bad return; exiting process
 > 

This used to happen using VM and/or when fontifying long files.  I've
set font-lock to not fontify long files and that seemed to fix it but
it happend again this morning.  I started up Xemacs and immediatly
load VM.  As soon as it came up (with new messages in the inbox) I got
the first set of outputs on my console.  When I tried to get new mail
I got the second and Xemacs died.  (I suspect the same thing would
have happened had I tried to send mail).

There doesn't seem to be a core file anywhere.

Anyone have any idea how what this might be or a better way to trace
it?

Thanks,
--jp

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Subject: Re: {Q}: How to reload .emacs w/o exiting Xemacs?
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Paramesh" == Paramesh Padmanabhan <paramesh@ikos.com> writes:
> Paramesh> You can do
> 
> Paramesh> M-x load-file
> > 
> Technically correct in one sense, but ...
> 
> The complete answer is, in general, no you cannot. The problem is

Thanks, Steven. I agree with you 100%. After re-loaded my .emacs, some
weird behaviors occured. I ended to exit and re-start the XEmacs.

Once again I also like to thank all the people having sended me the
solutions.

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From: Gary Ebert <gary@www.rdss.com>
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Subject: new version of etags for perl ?????
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I was just wondering if anyone out ther knows if there is a version of
etags that handles perl
subroutines that are located in a different file than the main program. 
(maybe this is done with a perl command line option that I'm unaware of)

Any comments/help would be appreciated.

Btw could you please respond to e-mail as well since I don't have a
chance to read this group as often as I'd like.

	thanks,
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From: Geoffrey Furnish <furnish@laura.llnl.gov>
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Subject: MIME with XEmacs ???
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Is there a way to cope with "MIME encoded messages" inside XEmacs?  I
am currently using VM, and like it, but receive MIME messages
occasionally, and need to be able to extract MIME attachments, etc.
How do people cope with MIME things in XEmacs/VM ???

-- 
Geoffrey Furnish		email: furnish@llnl.gov
LLNL X/ICF			phone: 510-424-4227	fax: 510-423-6172

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From: exukdki@exu.ericsson.se (Kurt Kite)
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Subject: problem with sound-alist
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Hi,

I am having a problem getting the default audible bell sound to be replaced
by sounds of my own choice.   I am using Xemacs  19.14 [Lucid] compiled
for SunOS 4.1.3 on a SPARCstation 5.  Here is what I have in my .emacs
file:

;; load sounds
(load-sound-file "/home/exukdki/etc/sounds/doh2.au" 'doh)
(load-sound-file "/home/exukdki/etc/sounds/combeep.au" 'combeep)
(load-sound-file "/home/exukdki/etc/sounds/clink.au" 'clink)

(setq sound-alist
     (append
      '((default          :sound clink)
        (undefined-key    :sound clink)
        (undefined-click  :sound clink)
        (buffer-bound     :sound clink)
        (read-only        :sound clink)
        (command-error    :sound doh)
        (y-or-n-p         :sound clink) 
        (yes-or-no-p      :sound clink)
        (auto-save-error  :sound clink)
        (no-completion    :sound doh)
        (isearch-failed   :sound doh)
        (isearch-quit     :sound combeep)
        (quit             :sound clink)
        (ready            :sound combeep)
        (warp             :sound combeep)
        (alarm            :sound combeep)
        )
      sound-alist))

;; Set the volume
(setq bell-volume 10)

This is the complete contents of the file.

When I start xemacs with this .emacs file these sounds are not played.  The normal "beep" is
still used.  I can look at the sound-alist variable and it seems to be set correctly.  Also, this
used to work with xemacs 19.13.  It stopped working when xemacs 19.14 was installed.
I would appreciate any hints as to what could be the problem.

Thanks,
Kurt






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From: Franco Maras <eusfcm@exu.ericsson.se>
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Greg Flurry wrote:
> 
> Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
> doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?
> --
> Greg Flurry
> IBM Power Personal Systems Division, Austin, TX
> *** All opinions are my own ***

Try winemacs at http://www.pearlsoft.com/

-- 
Franco C. Maras                          
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eusfcm@exu.ericsson.se                      // My opinions....

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

| 17.9.96, epstein@cd.com (Milt Epstein) gnu.emacs.help
| There is a recent-files package for XEmacs, which adds a menubar item
| for recently visited files (and some related functionality), but this
| package as is only works with XEmacs.  Does anyone have/know of a
| similar package for GNU Emacs, or if there is a version of this

Comes also with emacs in the latest releases.
/jari


My LCD-datafile.gz, which can be ftp'd from ohio, says:
~ --> /archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive

;; msb|Lars Lindberg|Lars.Lindberg@sypro.cap.se, |
;; <Choose buffer with the mouse>|
;; 12-Dec-1994|3.22|Version ~/packages/msb.el.Z|~/packages/msb.el.gz|


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
--
"The Man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything."


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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@aphrodite.uwaterloo.ca> writes:

root> Hi,

root> I like the fact that I can mark and decode articles in GNUS
root> under XEMACS-19.14 on my Linux 2.0.x box.  As it stands, I can
root> only do it one at a time.  I tried marking more than one article
root> and hitting the decode button but I always get the error message
root> "wrong file type".  Is there a way around this or can you only
root> decode one article at a time?

You get the `wrong type file' message when you are attempting to
uudecode a group of messages and run across a message in MIME/base-64.
I would expect this to work much better once the Tools for MIME (tm)
package is distributed standard with XEmacs, and Gnus can be more MIME
aware.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: jerijian@mulholland.seas.ucla.edu (Arthur D. Jerijian)
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Subject: Re: xemacs on Win95?
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On 20 Sep 1996 17:16:26 GMT, Greg Flurry <flurry@austin.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
>doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?

Not that I'm aware of.  There's a version of GNU Emacs availavle
at ftp://ftp.cs.washington.edu/pub/ntemacs.

>-- 
>Greg Flurry			
>IBM Power Personal Systems Division, Austin, TX
>*** All opinions are my own ***


-- 

  Arthur D. Jerijian     celestra@ix.netcom.com

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Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> The variable gnus-auto-mail-to-author apparently no longer exists in
> Gnus v5.2.25. Is there an alternative way to automatically mail the
> author when following up messages?

You can push `C-c C-t' to insert a To header that points to the person
who wrote the article you're following up.

-- 
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Hi,

I was hoping to see this issue covered in the XEmacs FAQ, but I didn't.
I hope this question isn't a FAQ nonetheless.

Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I am able
to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the "Options" menu.
However, when I save the opetions and restart XEmacs, the fonts
are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my X display.  Is there a
way I can make lucidatypewriter my default font for all faces?

Thanks.

-- 

  Arthur D. Jerijian     celestra@ix.netcom.com

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Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> 
> The variable gnus-auto-mail-to-author apparently no longer exists in
> Gnus v5.2.25. Is there an alternative way to automatically mail the
> author when following up messages?

Run the command 'message-insert-to' (C-c C-t) when doing a followup.
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>>>>> "Cristian" == Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

Cristian> Hi,

Cristian> I'm afraid my question was already answered here, but as I didn't pay
Cristian> attention cause I needn't, now I'm in trouble.

Cristian> I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
Cristian> unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.

Cristian> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
Cristian> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
Cristian> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
Cristian> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll,
Cristian> I have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
Cristian> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last
Cristian> part (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white.

I have exactly the same problem on my Sparc5/Solaris2.4. In my case this is
certainly related to the fact that I have a 24bit X server because I can run
xoobr correctly on any other display in my lab. I wrote to Torgeir Veimo
(referred as the maintainer in the source) about that problem, here is what he
answered : 

Torgeir> The error is due to the code that does double buffering in the
Torgeir> tree-display area. I didn't create that piece of code, I merely ported
Torgeir> a Motif browser to an athena widget version. I think the differences
Torgeir> between the Xt/Motif drawing-area and Athena's simple-widget may cause
Torgeir> the error, but I'm not shure. I'm not actively maintaining the code
Torgeir> anymore, due to lack of time. (Shame.. :)

Torgeir> I think the you can get it to work properly by using a pseudocolor
Torgeir> visual when running it. Try "ading xoobr*visual: PseudoColor" to your
Torgeir> .Xdefaults file.

Torgeir> I did wanted to reimplement the three drawing code when I did that
Torgeir> port, but it has some attrative features that are hard to implement,
Torgeir> and Bob (the originator of oobr), didn't want me to use time on that.

I tried adding the mentioned resource to my X resources but it resulted in an X
error message saying the required visual did not exist which is surprising
since xdpyinfo shows it exists and xv runs correctly with it... :-(

Unfortunately I have only very basic knowledge about X and could not
investigate the problem further. If someone has a solution it would really be
welcome !

Oscar

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Oscar Figueiredo wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "Cristian" == Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

> Cristian> I started using OOBR (like a lot!!), I compiled Xoobr, but
> Cristian> unfortunately the last one is not working well for me.
> 
> Cristian> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
> Cristian> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
> Cristian> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
> Cristian> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll,
> Cristian> I have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
> Cristian> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last
> Cristian> part (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white.
> 
> I have exactly the same problem on my Sparc5/Solaris2.4. In my case this is
> certainly related to the fact that I have a 24bit X server because I can run
> xoobr correctly on any other display in my lab. I wrote to Torgeir Veimo

> answered :
> 
> Torgeir> I think the you can get it to work properly by using a pseudocolor
> Torgeir> visual when running it. Try "ading xoobr*visual: PseudoColor" to your
> Torgeir> .Xdefaults file.
> 
> I tried adding the mentioned resource to my X resources but it resulted in an X
> error message saying the required visual did not exist which is surprising
> since xdpyinfo shows it exists and xv runs correctly with it... :-(
> 
> Oscar

Hi,

Thanks a lot. I advanced a little.

Indeed, the things are going wrong because of the color depth of X
server. Mine is set to 16 bpp. However, when I experimented on the other
virtual graphic terminal (display :1) at 8 bpp, it works great.

I think there is a standard (and of course, well known by the others but
not by me :-{ ) workaround for this not so beautiful situation when some
X programs are written for 8 bits depths and must force them support
more (or less!?) than that.

Of course, I tried for myself the PseudoColor thing, but for me xdpyinfo
reports only one visual available: TrueColor. And any other thing I
tried in the .Xdefaults is not working. That's that. If the time will
multiply for me tonight (by some miraculous time mitogenesis :->) I'll
search some information on changing visuals. If not ...


					Thanks again to you and to Torgeir

						Cristian

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
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Similar problem here.  Adding Sobhan Padamati's solution to ~/.emacs doesn't
seem to work too.

I currently have:
(setq auto-insert-directory 
      "/nfs/cassatt/70/tools/xemacs-19.14/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/misc/insert")
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

Do I need to have template files with specific names in auto-insert-directory
?  If so, what should they be named.

I have not modified auto-insert-alist from the default value.

Sobhan  Padamati <spadamat@fore.com> writes:

> ;; C and other programming languages Configuration
> (setq auto-insert-directory "/usr/local/autoinsert/")
> (setq auto-insert-alist '(("\\.c$" . "c.ai")
>                           ("\\.h$" . "h.ai")))
> (load "autoinsert")
> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

> Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:
> > Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within xemacs-19.13
> > it works fine.
> > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
> > ;; Autoinsert
> > ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
> > (load-library "autoinsert")
> > (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
> > (setq auto-insert-alist 
> >       '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
> > 	("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
> > 	("\\.c$" . "i.c")
> > 	("\\.h$" . "i.h")
> > 	("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
> > 	("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
> > 	("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))
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From: marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl (Marcel Meuwissen)
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Hi,

Last week I installed Linux 2.0.12-ELF (Slackware 3.1, Infomagic, 
September 1996) on my i486DX2-50 (20 Mb RAM). Then, I tried to compile 
the XEmacs 19.14 beast from the source by:

./configure --with-database=no
make

During compilation I get no error messages. 

In text mode XEmacs runs fine, but when I try to execute it on X, 
nothing happens. I get no error messages at all. When I press ^C,
I hear a beep, xemacs prints "Quit" in the xterm and I get my 
shell-prompt back. 

Previously, I had no problems running XEmacs 19.14 on Linux 1.2.8-a.out
and XEmacs 19.13 on Linux 2.0.12-ELF. Can someone help me with this 
problem?

Groeten,
Marcel Meuwissen

marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

 Hrvoje> Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
 >> Hrvoje is correct.  What Ian describes sounds like a bug in fvwm.
 Hrvoje> [...]

 Hrvoje> If Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology, I was not
 Hrvoje> correct. Emacs' windows are e.g. what you get after pressing C-x 2.
 Hrvoje> Focus following them has nothing to do with WM, it would have to be a
 Hrvoje> feature of Emacs.

If Hrvoje is correct and Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology and
the behaviour Ian described was what Prasad wants, i.e.

 keyboard focus should follow mouse within Emacs frames across Emacs window
 boundaries, 

then Prasad should look into the mode-motion+ package, in particular the
value of mode-motion-focus-on-window =>

 mode-motion-focus-on-window's value is nil
   -- a variable declared in Lisp.

 Documentation:
 *Controls whether moving the mouse into another window selects this window.
 The following values are possible:

 nil	  - Window selection isn't influenced at all by mode motion.

 t	  - Window selection always follows the mouse cursor. Copying motion
	     active regions doesn't work any longer between different buffers.

 any other - window selection follows the mouse cursor if the motion handler
	     of the buffer under the mouse has the follow-point property set.
	     Useful for selecting line mode buffers just by moving the mouse
	     inside in order to execute commands there (VM summary,
	     GNUS Group and Subject, DIRED, Buffer menu etc.)

(I don't really recommend setting mode-motion-focus-on-window to t, I can't
imagine anyone wanting the cursor to track the mouse for long, but hey...)

As of mode-motion+ 3.16, no general motion handler is supplied with
follow-point set (although quite a few line-mode handlers have it).

The appropriate magic to create an underlining, syntax-sensitive,
highlighting handler with follow-point set is as follows:

 (make-motion-handler 'underline-thing-focus
		      'thing-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)

Installing it as the global default is a little trickier, because you have
to explicitly turn off the mode-specific defaults that mode-motion+ turns
on which don't have follow-point set (if you see what I mean).  Something
like:

 (require 'mode-motion+)
 (setq default-motion-handler
       (make-motion-handler 'underline-thing-focus
			    'thing-boundaries 'motion-underline t t))
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-c-focus
		      'c-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-TeX-focus
		      'latex-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-tcl-focus
		      'tcl-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-texinfo-focus
		      'texinfo-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'emacs-lisp-mode 'underline-thing-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'lisp-interaction-mode 'underline-thing-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c++-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c++-c-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'tex-mode 'underline-TeX-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'latex-mode 'underline-TeX-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'tcl-mode 'underline-tcl-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'texinfo-mode 'underline-texinfo-focus)

should do the trick.


Have fun.

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Hello,

I just downloaded Xemacs 19.14 and was going to compile it for HP-UX 10.20.
I looked over the various READMEs, INSTALL and etc/MACHINES to make sure
there were no gotchas that someone had already found out about.  There did
not appear to be any so I did a

     ./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux

I am on a C110, or HP9000/777, running HP-UX 10.20.  I have the ANSI C
and C++ compilers that come with HP-UX 10.20 installed.  Version of ANSI
C is A.10.32.03.  Version of C++ is A.10.22.

The configure was going along just fine until it got to the point of
trying to determine the size of short.

    ...
    checking for alloca
    checking for pid_t in sys/types.h
    checking for vfork.h
    checking for working vfork
    checking for strcoll
    checking size of short
    configure: can not determine size of short


I thought maybe HP no longer supported short :)

The conftest.c file was still there.  I tried to manually compile it
after I looked to see what the configure script was doing.  It complained
with the following error:

    cpp: "conftest.c", line 1: error 4036: Can't open include file
'confdefs.h'.


I commented out the trap statements in the configure script and ran the
script again.  This time when it bombed and I tried to compile the test
program I got this error:

    cc: "/usr/include/sys/types.h", line 150: error 1000: Unexpected \
     symbol: "int".


I looked at the /usr/include/sys/types.h file.  Line 150 and the lines
around it are as follows:

    #  ifndef _PID_T
    #    define _PID_T
         typedef int32_t pid_t;         /* For process and session IDs */
    #  endif /* _PID_T */


The confdefs.h file has these as the last 4 lines before it bombs:

    #define HAVE_ALLOCA 1
    #define pid_t int
    #define vfork fork
    #define HAVE_STRCOLL 1


I thought, hmm, what happens if I comment out the pid_t entry?  I
was able to compile conftest.c without any problems.

Looking over the configure script, it appeared to me that the vfork
test should have failed before the short test since it also makes use
of the confdefs.h file.  It doesn't during the configure run.  I
copied out that code into a separate file and tried to compile it.  I
ended up with the same error message as when I tried compiling the
short test.

The final test I did was put a "sleep 10" command in the script right
after the pid_t entry gets added to the confdefs.h file.  I re-ran the
configure script and got the exact same error at the short test again.

I'm not sure what's going on, but it appears there is a problem with
the configure program when trying to compile Xemacs 19.14 under
HP-UX 10.20.

If anyone finds out anything, please let me know by e-mail.  I don't
read the emacs newsgroups regularly.  Nor am I on the mailing lists.

Thanks.

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From: Russell Ritchie <ritchier@msc.ie>
To: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Q :Window activation by mouse movement?
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
In-Reply-To: <kig20fx3xiz.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>
References: <PDESHPAN.96Sep19104511@franc.dc.fore.com>
	<kig7mpp602m.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>
	<199609200943.KAA09402@ariel.uk.abs>
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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

 Hrvoje> Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
 >> Hrvoje is correct.  What Ian describes sounds like a bug in fvwm.
 Hrvoje> [...]

 Hrvoje> If Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology, I was not
 Hrvoje> correct. Emacs' windows are e.g. what you get after pressing C-x 2.
 Hrvoje> Focus following them has nothing to do with WM, it would have to be a
 Hrvoje> feature of Emacs.

If Hrvoje is correct and Prasad was using the correct Emacs terminology and
the behaviour Ian described was what Prasad wants, i.e.

 keyboard focus should follow mouse within Emacs frames across Emacs window
 boundaries, 

then Prasad should look into the mode-motion+ package, in particular the
value of mode-motion-focus-on-window =>

 mode-motion-focus-on-window's value is nil
   -- a variable declared in Lisp.

 Documentation:
 *Controls whether moving the mouse into another window selects this window.
 The following values are possible:

 nil	  - Window selection isn't influenced at all by mode motion.

 t	  - Window selection always follows the mouse cursor. Copying motion
	     active regions doesn't work any longer between different buffers.

 any other - window selection follows the mouse cursor if the motion handler
	     of the buffer under the mouse has the follow-point property set.
	     Useful for selecting line mode buffers just by moving the mouse
	     inside in order to execute commands there (VM summary,
	     GNUS Group and Subject, DIRED, Buffer menu etc.)

(I don't really recommend setting mode-motion-focus-on-window to t, I can't
imagine anyone wanting the cursor to track the mouse for long, but hey...)

As of mode-motion+ 3.16, no general motion handler is supplied with
follow-point set (although quite a few line-mode handlers have it).

The appropriate magic to create an underlining, syntax-sensitive,
highlighting handler with follow-point set is as follows:

 (make-motion-handler 'underline-thing-focus
		      'thing-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)

Installing it as the global default is a little trickier, because you have
to explicitly turn off the mode-specific defaults that mode-motion+ turns
on which don't have follow-point set (if you see what I mean).  Something
like:

 (require 'mode-motion+)
 (setq default-motion-handler
       (make-motion-handler 'underline-thing-focus
			    'thing-boundaries 'motion-underline t t))
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-c-focus
		      'c-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-TeX-focus
		      'latex-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-tcl-focus
		      'tcl-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (make-motion-handler 'underline-texinfo-focus
		      'texinfo-boundaries 'motion-underline t t)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'emacs-lisp-mode 'underline-thing-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'lisp-interaction-mode 'underline-thing-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c++-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'c++-c-mode 'underline-c-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'tex-mode 'underline-TeX-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'latex-mode 'underline-TeX-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'tcl-mode 'underline-tcl-focus)
 (set-mode-motion-handler 'texinfo-mode 'underline-texinfo-focus)

should do the trick.


Have fun.

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How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
putting in my .emacs:
(setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
still it doesn't work.

Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
gets all right).

Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03

	Karl

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I am using XEmacs 19.14, but the problem also occurs in 19.13.

When XEmacs runs in a window, either using emacs -nw or by the use of
gnuattach, the initialization is wrong.  XEmacs uses the termcap
sequence "ve" in the initialization and the sequence "vs" when
resetting the terminal.  Unfortunately, this usage is exactly opposite
from both vi and the other GNU Emacs.

The XEmacs use looks correct from the IRIX 5.3 documentation of
terminfo, but if everyone else does it the other way round, maybe
XEmacs should too.
-- 
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Greg Flurry wrote:

> Is there a verison of xemacs for Win95? (Sounds like a dumb question,
> doesn't it?) If so, where can I find it?

I use the XEmacs with 95 with a X-Server. It's slow but still better
than every other ms-Editor.

-- bis spter...
 - Sascha         ---<~>=( http://www.ping.de/sites/aibon/ )=<~>---

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Subject: Summary: Some X-Face headers confuse font-lock in VM
X-Phone: +972-3-645-1145
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X-Face:  ##A>t)R3?k=s5sw'(<v}xy5K8i]2+gl@^A7,ZN.8v5,).3hzG^rRmob&I-^&2m>5K\s3KSk+iIbgHIrS_8k}#}MVff9#>t4r!a>yp<qFqhM>pweVJ!^S<@teMIaDDU(gXk!,)m]o|"X
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[Following my own post and responses from some people...]

Some people have pointed out that VM does not use font-lock, but
highlight-headers. This is correct, but IMHO, highlight-headers does
not have the stregnth of font-lock. But, as I complained, font-lock
gets confused by single '"' in the X-Face headers of some people
(Steven L. Baur, myself and other).

An Q&D workaround has been advised (I forgot by whom, but thanks
regardless) - I add another X- header containing a single '"' to
close the opened one. This mail has this feature already.

If anyone has a better solution, please step forward :-).

Thanks.

For those interested, here is my font-lock setup for VM:

(if (eq major-mode 'vm-mode)
    (set (make-local-variable 'font-lock-keywords)
   	 vm-font-lock-keywords))

(setq vm-font-lock-keywords
      '(
	("^Subject\: .*"     0 red-font-face)
	("^Date\: .*"        0 green-font-face)
	("^X-.*\: .*"        0 special-keyword-font)
	("^Priority-.*\: .*" 0 fb-font-face)
	))

(defun set-font-lock-faces ()
  (dummy-font-lock-mode-hook))

(add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'set-font-lock-faces)

(if AJK::use-font-lock-in-vm
    (progn
      (add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (font-lock-fontify-buffer)))))

-- 
/* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
/* EagleEye Control Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                  */
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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@aphrodite.uwaterloo.ca> writes:

root Hi,
root As it stands, I start up Vm, under XEMACS-19.14, on my Linux 2.0.x box,
root by issuing the command "xemacs -f vm".  This opens up an xemacs session
root running VM with the INBOX folder open.  I'd like to be able to specify a different
root folder ould be opened on start up.  Is this possible?

In your .emacs, add:

(defun foobar ()
   (interactive)
   (vm-visit-folder "your-folder-name"))

then:

xemacs -f foobar

/* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
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X-Bogus-Quote: "

I just dug out the names of the poeple who contributed in this issue:

Sean Dowd     <sdowd@mmts.eds.com>
Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-kl.de>

Here's what Sean said:

>I noticed this in a mail from a friend of mine.  I got him to
>add a bogus header to his messages with a single quote in it:
>
>X-Bogus-Quote: "
>
>It'd be nice if there were a better way...

-- 
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Originally, I posted this question, found what I thought was the
answer in the online XEMACS Reference Guide off of the XEMACS homepage.
Namely, I wanted to be able to save my interactions with seyon in
a buffer.  The answer according to the online manual is to enter 
 term minor-mode by typing M-x term.  the problem now is two-fold:
	1.  my alias of seyon -modems /dev/modem is unknown to the
        term  sub shell.
	2.  the mini-buffer has  /bin/bash in it.  When I backspace
over it to delete it and replace it with /usr/X11R6/bin/seyon -modems
/dev/modem I get error messages.  However, from the normal shell mode
I can type : seyon at the prompt, it knows my alias and I can run
seyon successfully-- albeit without saving the interactions to a buffer.
I've read some more about term mode, and have begun studying the O'Reilly
primer on BASH.  Does anyone have any suggestions how I might
run seyon from XEMACS and capture the interactions in a buffer?

Thanks
Nate Rosenbaum
nrosenba@dgis.dtic.dla.mil


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Subject: Re: MIME with XEmacs ???
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>>>>> "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Furnish <furnish@laura.llnl.gov> writes:

Geoffrey> Is there a way to cope with "MIME encoded messages" inside
Geoffrey> XEmacs?

[NOTE:  tm will be distributed standard with XEmacs 19.15.]

>From Part IV of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsytems.html#Q4_3_1

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages? [updated]
               
   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.

   Another possibility is RMIME. You may find RMIME at
   <URL:http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html>.
               
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
               
   Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu> has an Emacs & MIME web page at
   <URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>.
               
Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it? [updated]
                 
   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
               
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.

   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM

   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).  

   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.


-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Chris Lewis' machine wrote:
> Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

What's going on?  It is *totally* unacceptable to cancel articles like
Arthur's.  It is on-topic and germane.

>>>>> "Arthur" == Arthur D Jerijian <jerijian@sepulveda.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

Arthur> Hi,

Arthur> I was hoping to see this issue covered in the XEmacs FAQ, but
Arthur> I didn't.  I hope this question isn't a FAQ nonetheless.

It is a FAQ, but I haven't put an answer into the FAQ yet, as I am
unclear on exactly what is going on.

Arthur> Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I
Arthur> am able to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the
Arthur> "Options" menu.  However, when I save the opetions and restart
Arthur> XEmacs, the fonts are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my
Arthur> X display.  Is there a way I can make lucidatypewriter my
Arthur> default font for all faces?

Are the options actually being loaded?  Check for code added to your
[netscape INN bug fodder].emacs that looks something like:

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
 ...
  (load-options-file \"...\")))

Hopefully options saving and restoral will work better in 19.15.

I set my default fonts out of .Xdefaults like this:

Emacs.default.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-bold-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
Emacs.italic.attributeFont: -schumacher-clean-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-1
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     Hello,

     Does anyone know how to install a lisp tool to be avaliable to use
with emacs? I do have an irc client, and want to use it in xemacs...

     Please answer-me by e-mail, if possible,: daftm@dcc.ufmg.br
                                               daftm@io.com


Thanks in advance,

---------------------------------------
Daniel Augusto Fernandes (DAF tm)
UNIVERSIDADE FEDERAL DE MINAS GERAIS
BRAZIL


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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

hi,

i'm looking for rot13 for xemacs.  i found rot13.el but it doesn't
work with XEmacs giving this error:

Symbols' function definition is void: set-window-display-table.

this is a really short piece of lisp - unfortunately i don't know lisp
at all...

- -pjf

- -- 
"Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
 safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773)
			  finger for PGP key
zifi runs LINUX 2.0.20  -=-=-=WEB=-=-=->  http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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NMCh6ukTA+S89As+qjQeIuFfULO9YsYTwxQCi/+UPG/t3Vu+nyzDh/qAFAwxSk7P
7+/95xAw1EjarXsbB5RNGYGUg3bZwyXu4/GGSm2tZtJzlkimdEpqusiuwblIYQWo
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What do I need to add to my .emacs file to have diary appointments pop
to the front of my monitor at their pre-defined time?

...Mike
-- 
Michael Wright 			UNIX System Administrator
Medaphis Systems Corporation	email: michael.wright@medaphis.com
8085 Rivers Avenue		Phone: 803-569-8535
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I'm wondering if xemacs is leaking space like a seive or if I'm
imagining it.  It looks to me like it may be font-lock, but I'm not
sure; seems to be worst when I'm running w3 or editing lots of files
in a language-specific mode (like html-helper-mode) that does a lot of
font-locking.

I'm running:

    XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4) of Mon Jul  1 1996 on brick
    WWW 3.0.3, URL 1.0.34, MM 1.96

on a Sun Sparc 5 running SunSO-4.1.4 with about 60 meg of memory.  

The symptoms: after about an hour or two of moderate web browsing
(visiting, say, 20 or 25 distinct (and small) web pages) or editing in
language-modes (say, 10 to 15 (small) files), xemacs has grown from
it's starting size of about 6 meg to a bloated 30 meg or more!  At
this point, visiting a new file (or browsing a new web page) stalls me
for many many many seconds and it gets so bad I essentially have to
exit emacs and start over.  Here's what sps says:

    $ sps vtw p5
    Ty User     Status Fl Nice Prv  Shr  Res %M  Time Child %C Proc# Command
    p5 keith    pause          420+ 876    0  0   1.2+ 11 M  0  3206 -zsh
    p5. *       SELECT        30268+1744 30476 51 579.1+ 16.4  0  3780 xemacs
    54 (60836k) processes, 1 (860k) busy, 29 (33160k) loaded, 24 (592k) swapped

Anyway, here is a list of the buffers I have in this particular
bloated emacs; (memory-limit) => 28744.

 MR Buffer           Size  Mode         File
 -- ------           ----  ----         ----
.*  INDEX	      560  Fundamental	/data/web/StaffInfo/InfoDoc/CRT/INDEX
 *  +drafts/3	      829  Draft	/home/keith/Mail/drafts/3
 * "Computer-Related Training" 3753 WWW	http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/StaffInfo/InfoDoc/CRT/
   "Web Central"     1679  WWW		http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/keith/web-central.html
    home.template     982  Fundamental	/data/web/StaffInfo/InfoDoc/CRT/home.template
    SOURCES	     9847  Fundamental	/admin/jinn/SOURCES
    *scratch*	        0  Emacs-Lisp
  % *Completions*     121  Completion List
  %"*Mew message*"    217  Message
    *vc*	      114  Fundamental
  % +drafts	      176  Summary
 * "*Buffer List*"    728  Buffer Menu

Setting font-lock-auto-fontify to nil at the beginning of the session
seems to do a pretty good job of fixing this problem, but my users are
(rightly) scornful of this `solution' of mine...

Is anyone else seeing anything like this or is it just me?  Any
suggestions?

--
Keith Waclena / k-waclena@uchicago.edu / ATKQJ / MIME / RFC-1521 / PGP
http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/keith/keith.html
  An assignation is the commonest form of confrontation.
  -- Lindsey and v.d. Meulen, _Informal Introduction to Algol 68_

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From: Michael Wright <michael.wright@medaphis.com>
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Subject: Re: MIME with XEmacs ???
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I downloaded tra-vm-mime off the internet and installed it. There's a
short piece you need to add to your .emacs file to make it work. It
has very good installation instructions.

...Mike
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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
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When I run cvs-update on any directory containing files checked out from CVS,
the output is as given below.  I see no file level output -- just directory
level output.  It is unlike the suggested buffer contents in the pcl-cvs
manual (http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/cvs/pcl-cvs_8.html#SEC8).

Can't seem to be able to move into the directory except with 'f', which puts
me in a dired buffer :|

Am I doing something wrong ?
TIA.

PCL-CVS release 1.05 from CVS release $Name:  $.
Copyright (C) 1992, 1993 Per Cederqvist
Pcl-cvs comes with absolutely no warranty; for details consult the manual.
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain
conditions; again, consult the TeXinfo manual for details.

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared:

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared/bin:

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared/data:

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared/expData:

In directory /nfs/picasso/34/smaddhi/datared/include:

-- 

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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>>>>> "Oliver" == Oliver Imbusch <flabes@inform-ac.com> writes:

Oliver> Every now and then, my XEmacs chrashes for no obvious reasons. Worse
Oliver> yet, gdb sometimes doesn't show a backtrace but comes up with a
Oliver> `cannot access memory at address xxx' message.

Oliver> To track down the problem, I tried to build a purified version, which
Oliver> didn't work. The output of

Try 
cd src; make puremacs
You may have to edit the makefile to fiddle with Purify paths and
options.  Don't try making a dumped version.  Run puremacs with
something like 
puremacs -l loadup.el


Good Luck.

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The OO Browser Info pages describes a graphical X browser called xoobr.  Where can I find it? 
I have looked through the distribution and I can't find any reference to it.
I am using XEmacs under Solaris 2.5.

Thanks, Sean

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From: johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson)
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boffi@hp715-d.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:

> poll: Interrupted system call

There have been a number of workarounds posted for this problem, but the best
solution is to get the patch from HP which fixes the underlying problem (a
bug in the HP-UX 10.10 curses library).  The patch you want is PHCO_8086.
See http://support.mayfield.hp.com/ for information on how to retrieve this
patch.

(I don't speak officially for HP, but this patch fixed this and some other
XEmacs problems for me.)

------------
Phil Johnson
Hewlett-Packard Company
Palo Alto, California

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From: johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson)
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Roger Lipp <lipp@cup.hp.com> writes:

> In 19.14 I can delete any frame except the last *mapped* frame.
> yikes!  I use HP-VUE so my hand-dandy scratch-buffer-frame is in a
> different room (not currently mapped), so I can't delete the current
> frame.  I wind up with a mapped frame per VUE room.  Not pretty
> for me!

I've seen this problem, too.  There was a change made to frame.c which
doesn't seem to work quite right.  (I assume the error message you're
encountering is "Attempt to delete the sole visible or iconified frame.")  It
often gives this message even though there are iconified frames in the same
workspace!

My workaround was to add this line to .emacs:

	(setq allow-deletion-of-last-visible-frame t)

This seems to have fixed the problem for me.  (It still won't let you delete
the last frame -- which is good -- but it will let you delete the last
visible frame.)

------------
Phil Johnson
Hewlett-Packard Company
Palo Alto, California

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

>>>>> "Roman" == Roman Puttkammer <rputtkam@iiic.ethz.ch> writes:

Roman> i'd like to have two additional things in emacs for programming.

Roman> unfortunately etags requires special formatting of the source
Roman> code.  i'm looking for a version of etags which does not have
Roman> this limitation. the second thing i'd like is the possibility
Roman> to fold c-procedures as in a folding editor (e.g. origami
Roman> editor).  this would make it easier to keep track of a module
Roman> while programming.

Take a look at foldout.el in the lisp/utils directory of the XEmacs
distribution:

;;; foldout.el --- Folding extensions for outline-mode and outline-minor-mode.

;; Copyright (C) 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Kevin Broadey <KevinB@bartley.demon.co.uk>
 ...
;;; Advertisements:
 ...
;; c-outline.el (by me) provides outline-mode support to recognise `C'
;; statements as outline headings, so with foldout you can have a folding `C'
;; code editor without having to put in start- and end-of-fold markers.  This
;; is a real winner!


I've never used it, so I don't know how well it works.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com>
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I just tried to resize my main XEmacs frame (the X window) by dragging the
corner, but it would only allow me a maximum width of 137 columns (I should
have enough screen real estate for 160 columns at this font size).  Is there
something in XEmacs that is controlling this or is it a configuration problem
with X-windows itself?

-- 
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I ftp'd the sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3-sparcworks binaries and common files from
ftp.xemacs.org uncompressed them and tried to run xemacs.

the response I got was  ....

Initialization error: Invalid geometry resource


Does anyone know what's happining ?

thanks in advance

Salman


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From: Aschwin Gopalan <gopalan@helium.physik.uni-kl.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Xoobr
Date: 23 Sep 1996 13:34:27 +0200
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Hi!

Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna@degas.gch.ulaval.ca> writes:

> 
> I have a Linux machine with X11R6, (the XFree 3.1.2 one) and a custom
> Xaw (Xaw3d 6.1 compiled with LIBNAME=Xaw). When I start Xoobr from a
> OOBR buffer, I obtain the correct xoobr window, but with a black
> workspace. If the displayed tree is really long, when I do a scroll, I
> have the chance to see the rectangles which form the scheme as
> flickering white boxes. If the tree is REALLY long, then the last part
> (the bottom) is correctly displayed but in black/white. The Xresources
> are not considered. A colleague of mine, which uses my machine
> remotely from a Sun (which supposedly uses X11R6) tried too the Xoobr
> and OBTAINED CORRECT RESULTS (visible tree, drawn in yellow on
> darkgrey with red for selections, as I configured).
.. things deleted
> 
> 				Cristian
> 

Well, I had the same problem when I used a mode using more than 256 colors.
I think Xoobr isn't able to display correctly on 16 or 24 bit visuals.

If you manage to get it running, please e-mail me. I just hate to have to
go back to colormap switching just because xoobr. (Though I like it a lot!)

greetings

Aki

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From: Francesc Rocher <rocher@enterprise.udg.es>
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Subject: How to do something with xemacs-19.14?
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:17:05 +0200
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Hi all,

I've updated to xemacs-19.14, and it does nothing!!! Well, only
in tty mode. Under X, it doesn't appears any frame, doesn't
prints anything, doesn't happens. I have the correct version of the
libraries needed -libc, libm- and, I think, I have well configured
the file /etc/hosts. Any suggestion?


-- 
          Francesc Rocher
e-mail:   rocher@enterprise.udg.es

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From: Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr>
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>>>>> "Phil" == Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:

    Phil> boffi@hp715-d.stru.polimi.it (giacomo boffi) writes:
    >> poll: Interrupted system call

    Phil> There have been a number of workarounds posted for this
    Phil> problem, but the best solution is to get the patch from HP
    Phil> which fixes the underlying problem (a bug in the HP-UX 10.10
    Phil> curses library).  The patch you want is PHCO_8086.  See
    Phil> http://support.mayfield.hp.com/ for information on how to
    Phil> retrieve this patch.

    Phil> (I don't speak officially for HP, but this patch fixed this
    Phil> and some other XEmacs problems for me.)


FWIW: I recently rebuilt a hpux 9.05 binary kit, which Chuck has
confirmed he made available on ftp.xemacs.org. This binary kit
includes a fix to make this binary run on both hpux 9.X and hpux 10.X
(including 10.10) without any problem.

It also includes a fix for HP's broken strcat() which can cause core
dumps on 10.X and on some brand of 9.X.

Richard.

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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
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Upgrade either XEmacs or AUC TeX and the problem will go away.  The
latest AUC TeX is always available at:

	<URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>


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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3501.oren.co.il>
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Subject: using emacs lisp debugger
Date: 25 Sep 1996 14:06:20 +0100
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Hi all,
Is there an option in the debugger to step over a frame?
I mean, just execute the whole frame and return it's value, with out decending
to it's components.

For example, I've got the code: (setq a (+ 2 3))
If I step through it I get in the debugger:

* (+ 2 3)
* (setq a (+ 2 3))

and after 2 d's (debugger-step-through), I get the result 5.

I want to get 5 after one step, when the debugger is in this state:

* (setq a (+ 2 3))

Is it possible?

This is a very simplified example. The real usage is in functions like
`message' which takes forever to perform, and has huge code.
-- 
Regards,

	Shlomo Mahlab

Oren Semiconductor Ltd.			Tel: 972-4-9894565
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From: Karsten Rothemund <karo@physiology.rwth-aachen.de>
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Subject: XEmacs (19.13) and AucTeX (9.2y)
Date: 25 Sep 1996 09:28:19 GMT
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Hallo all out there,

I have a problem with XEmacs 19.13 (under Linux 1.2.13 if it matters) and
AucTeX Version 9.2y. It occurs if I want to "Insert Environment" "Whatever".
AucTeX begins to insert:
"\begin{Whatever}

"
here it stops and I can read "Wrong type argument buffer "\\b""

BTW: If I "Change Environment" all seems OK.

I can read the same message, when I try to TAB something in a "\begin{}
\end{}"-block.

I don`t know how to fix that (because I`m not an elisp wizzard).

Please send me a mail copy, because I can`t read the newsgroups regularly.

Thanx for any help,
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	Karsten 

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
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Subject: Re: Q: Prompt for printer name
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Slava Kharin <acrnrsk@ns01.cccma.bc.ec.gc.ca> writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
> is it possible to force XEmacs to prompt for printer name before printing
> a buffer.

	Something like this, perhaps? Note that the call to
completing-read can be replaced by something like 
	(read-string "Printer? " (or (getenv "PRINTER") (getenv "LPDEST")))

;;;--------------------
(defadvice lpr-buffer (around get-printer (&optional pref) activate)
  (interactive "P")
  (and (or pref
	   (null lpr-switches))
       (setq lpr-switches
	     (list
	      (if (eq system-type 'berkeley-unix)
		  "-P"
		"-d")
	      (completing-read "Printer? " 
			       (parse-printcap)
			       nil
			       t
			       (or (getenv "PRINTER")
				   (getenv "LPDEST"))))))
  ad-do-it)

(defun parse-printcap (&optional pcap)
  "Parse a printcap file, returning a list of printer
names/descriptions." 
  (or pcap
      (setq pcap "/etc/printcap"))
  (or (file-exists-p pcap)
      (error "%s does not exist" pcap))
  (or (file-readable-p pcap)
      (error "%s exists, but cannot be read" pcap))
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer (find-file-noselect pcap))
    (save-restriction
      (widen)
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (let (entry names name desc printers)
	(while (or 
		(looking-at "^\\s-*$")
		(looking-at "^\\s-*#"))
	  (forward-line 1))
	(while (< (point) (point-max))
	  (setq entry 
		(concat entry 
			(buffer-substring (point)
					  (progn (end-of-line)
						 (point)))))
	  (forward-line 1)
	  (or (string-match "\\\\$" entry)
	      (progn
		(setq entry (replace-in-string entry ":.*" ""))
		(setq names (split-string entry "|"))
		(and (> (length names) 1)
		     (string-match "^[0-9]+$" (car names))
		     (setq names (cdr names)))
		(setq name (car names)
		      desc (car (reverse names)))
		(or (string-match " " desc)
		    (setq desc ""))
		(setq printers (cons (cons name desc) printers)
		      entry nil)))
	  (while (and (not (eobp))
		      (or 
		       (looking-at "^\\s-*$")
		       (looking-at "^\\s-*#")))
	    (forward-line 1)))
	printers))))


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In 19.13, I discovered that if I started a visit-file or dired command
that suddenly plausible file names would be highlighted under my mouse and
selectable. In 19.14 this behavior went away. No doubt I inadvertently
turned it off. Does anyone know how to turn it back on?

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I'm getting my personal mail from a pop server these days.  Is there a
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Hi,

How do I tell Xemacs to display the C/C++ code that 
is within #ifdef and #endif only?

I am using Xemacs 19.13.

Thanks very much in advance.

Rita
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Hello,

i need a function which reloads the file in the current buffer from the
disk because it has changed there. Can anyone hel me ?????

Mni Tnx
Jens


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>>>>> "pjf" == zinc  <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:

pjf> i'm looking for rot13 for xemacs.  i found rot13.el but it doesn't
pjf> work with XEmacs giving this error:

XEmacs gnus comes with message-caesar-region, which works with 19.14.
19.15 will come with tm, which also defines tm:caesar-region.

You probably want to do:

(require 'message)
Then
M-x message-caesar-region

If you want to do this within gnus, then the functionality is builtin.

Martin

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Bernd Classen writes:
 |
 |Hello,
 |
 |i need a function which reloads the file in the current buffer from the
 |disk because it has changed there. Can anyone hel me ?????
 |
 |Mni Tnx
 |Jens
 |

how about setting a key to do this:

(global-set-key [f5] 'revert-buffer)

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I too would be interested in this.  That is, can one get XEmacs in C-mode to
examine a specified makefile and look for -D options which define flags etc.,
and also in .h files, so that the parsing of the .c files will be the same as
when they're run through the compiler.

On Sep 25,  3:21pm, Rita Lui wrote:
> Subject: How to display code within #ifdef and #endif?
> Hi,
>
> How do I tell Xemacs to display the C/C++ code that
> is within #ifdef and #endif only?
>
> I am using Xemacs 19.13.
>
> Thanks very much in advance.
>
> Rita
> --
> ========================================================
> Rita Lui
> Email: rlui@raleigh.ibm.com
> Phone: 919-254-9496
>-- End of excerpt from Rita Lui



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Is there a way to remove the info. like "(C Mode)" etc from the modeline.  This
takes up too much space and is useless info because I can always tell what mode
I'm in anyways, and check via "C-h m".  Also, I don't need the filename there
either since it's displayed at the top of the window.  I'm running XEmacs 19.14
under SGI IRIX 6.2.  I guess that I could always redefine the whole modeline
string without these things, but I'm seeking an easier way, some short kludge
for my .emacs file.

Thanks,

Joel.

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Joel Shapiro writes:
 > 
 > Is there a way to remove the info. like "(C Mode)" etc from the modeline.  This
 > takes up too much space and is useless info because I can always tell what mode
 > I'm in anyways, and check via "C-h m".  Also, I don't need the filename there
 > either since it's displayed at the top of the window.

This is a bit of a "me too" - in previous versions of XEmacs I'd
altered the whole modeline string, but that seems more difficult now
if the extents are to be maintained.  I've saved space somewhat by
removing the directory part of the filename and reducing the space
needed for the modification string.  Cut from my .emacs:

       ;; the modeline is filling up - cut down displayed information
       (setq modeline-click-swaps-buffers t)
       (setq-default modeline-modified '("%1*%1+ "))
       (setq-default modeline-buffer-identification '("%b"))
;       (setq-default modeline-format 
;                     '("" modeline-modified 
;                       (-3 . "%p") 
;                       " " global-mode-string modeline-buffer-identification
;                       " %[("mode-name "%n" modeline-process 
;                       minor-mode-alist ")%] %-"))

       ;; display present line and column number
       (require 'line-col)
       (lc-display-all)

I'd dearly like to hack my modeline as before, so that the more
meaningful pieces of info. (to me!) are at the left.  How do I do this
and still maintain the extents?

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I have notices a slight difference in behavior between versions of
tex-mode for FSF Emacs and for XEmacs.  Specifically, the version for
FSF has two nice feautures:

  1) Using Xdvi, files automatically update without having to hit `R'
     to reload the file, and
  2) FSF tex-mode does not erase the buffer files between tex-buffer
     runs, so that one can TeX a buffer twice to resolve
     cross-references.  XEmacs's tex-mode wipes the .aux file, etc.,
     when tex-buffer is reinvoked.

Is there an XEmacs-capable version of tex-mode.el that supports these
features?

Thanks,

CJW

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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Roman" == Roman Puttkammer <rputtkam@iiic.ethz.ch> writes:

Roman> the second thing i'd like is the possibility to fold c-procedures as in
Roman> a folding editor (e.g. origami editor).  this would make it easier to
Roman> keep track of a module while programming.

> Take a look at foldout.el in the lisp/utils directory of the XEmacs
> distribution:

Another possibility is to look at folding.el -- it adds a folding minor mode
to (X)Emacs with all the options of a folding editor.  With it, you could
decide what you want to fold and how by using special comments.  Its at:

	    ftp://ftp.csd.uu.se/pub/users/andersl/beta/folding.el

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Hi,

This is my setup, and works... (for XEmacs 19.13 and 19.14)

;;
;; Package: func-menu
;; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
;;
;; func-menu is a package that scans your source file for function definitions
;; and makes a menubar entry that lets you jump to any particular function
;; definition by selecting it from the menu.  The following code turns this on
;; for all of the recognized languages.  Scanning the buffer takes some time,
;; but not much. 
;;
;; NOTE: key bindings are assigned in xemacs-keys.el)

(require 'func-menu)
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)

(setq fume-max-items 25
      fume-fn-window-position 3
      fume-auto-position-popup t
      fume-display-in-modeline-p t
      fume-buffer-name "*Function List*"
      fume-no-prompt-on-valid-default nil
      fume-function-name-regexp-perl "^sub[ \t]+\\([A-Za-z0-9_:']+\\)")


The only funny thing is that if there are more than one buffers in the
same frame, (let's say 2 different files shwon), each time you switch
from one buffer to another, both modelines are fixed with the function
name... even if one file is a plain text file and the other is known
language syntax file.

Bug or Feature?

--- Ricky.

>>>>> Karl Storck writes:

 Karl: How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
 Karl: function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
 Karl: putting in my .emacs:
 Karl: (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

 Karl: I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
 Karl: still it doesn't work.

 Karl: Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
 Karl: the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
 Karl: gets all right).

 Karl: Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03

 Karl: 	Karl

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>>>>> "Sean" == Sean O'Keeffe <sokeeffe@ucsd.edu> writes:

Sean> The OO Browser Info pages describes a graphical X browser called
Sean> xoobr.  Where can I find it?  I have looked through the
Sean> distribution and I can't find any reference to it.  I am using
Sean> XEmacs under Solaris 2.5.

It's in a tough place to find.  Look in `lisp/oobr/tree-x' and
`lisp/oobr/tree-nx'.  I believe it will be moved to a more logical
place in 19.15.

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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Shapiro <joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU> writes:

> On Sep 25,  3:21pm, Rita Lui wrote:

>> How do I tell Xemacs to display the C/C++ code that is within #ifdef and
>> #endif only?

> I too would be interested in this.  That is, can one get XEmacs in C-mode to
> examine a specified makefile and look for -D options which define flags
> etc., and also in .h files, so that the parsing of the .c files will be the
> same as when they're run through the compiler.

I doubt that (X)Emacs could do the work of a compiler and figure out all the
things that should be hidden.  Some ideas, though, might be:

* foldout.el - implements a folding minor mode for outline buffers which can
  be used with the next package.
* c-outline.el - adds definitions for C statements to foldout.el, perhaps it
  could be adapted to recognize #ifdef.
* hideif.el - this may do the reverse of what you want (ie. hide #ifdef code
  based on symbols), but it won't automatically figure things out.
* hideshow.el - another take on the c-outline idea, I think.
* folding.el - a generalized folding editor that maybe you could use.

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>>>>> "zinc" == zinc  <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:
> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.31/XEmacs 19.14

zinc> hi,

zinc> i'm looking for rot13 for xemacs.  i found rot13.el ...

Look in the Gnus sources for it.  In Gnus 5.2 or later, it is in
message.el in functions called message-caesar-region,
message-caesar-buffer-body.

message-caesar-region: (b e &optional n)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
  -- loads from "message".
Caesar rotation of region by N, default 13, for decrypting netnews.

message-caesar-buffer-body: (&optional rotnum)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
  -- loads from "message".
Caesar rotates all letters in the current buffer by 13 places.
Used to encode/decode possibly offensive messages (commonly in net.jokes).
With prefix arg, specifies the number of places to rotate each letter forward.
Mail and USENET news headers are not rotated.

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>>>>> "Karl" == Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:

Karl> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
Karl> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
Karl> putting in my .emacs:
Karl> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

David Hughes made a suggestion concerning this to this newsgroup
recently.

Remove or comment out the line reading:
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)

And add a keybinding like:
(define-key global-map [(control c) x] 'fume-add-menubar-entry)

so that you can toggle the behavior back on if you need it.

It works for me.
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>>>>> "Nate" == Nate Rosenbaum <nrosenba@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> writes:

Nate> Does anyone have any suggestions how I might run seyon from
Nate> XEMACS and capture the interactions in a buffer?

Examine the function make-term.

make-term: an autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "term".
Make a term process NAME in a buffer, running PROGRAM.
The name of the buffer is made by surrounding NAME with `*'s.
If there is already a running process in that buffer, it is not restarted.
Optional third arg STARTFILE is the name of a file to send the contents of to 
the process.  Any more args are arguments to PROGRAM.

I believe you want something like:
(make-term "Seyon" "seyon" nil "-modems" "/dev/modem")

If term works for you (it doesn't work at all for me), then that will
probably be enough.

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Does anybody know of a package for Emacs or XEmacs that will autohide
(bury or delete) idle buffers, perhaps as an extention of the autosave
feature?  The idea would be to use the feature in conjunction with
crypt to ensure that encrypted buffers don't hang around in an Emacs
session longer than they're needed, for example if the user gets
called away and doesn't have a chance to delete the buffers.

Jim
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From: Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com>
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Subject: Re: Save-options -- CAN ANYONE GET IT TO WORK?
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Hi All,

Does anyone have a solution to the save-options problem?

I've searched through the newsgroup archives as well as posting
previously myself about this problem and have not come up
with a viable solution.

Sure, the edit-faces stuff saves ok.  But I have a lot of users
who don't want to bother with that and instead want to be able
to pick their font/font-size on the fly.   Especially new users.

I've tried a patch to "defun save-options-menu-settings" that Frederic
Abiven posted.  Which didn't change anything.  ??

I haven't tried deleting all my references to
"add-spec-list-to-specifier" but that was because it seemed like
such a bad solution.  There are references to it all over the 
.xemacs-options file.  And I don't need new users having to hack
up their file in order to get it to work.

When I do a "save" after changing a font, it DOES change the
.xemacs-options file.  But it never affects the next load.  I
believe that my .xemacs-options is being sourced properly.  (At least
all  my edit faces stuff is read properly).

Considering that my users are working on several different platforms,
it would be extremely nice to get this figured out before I upgrade
everyone else to 19.14.

>Steven L Baur wrote: 
> Arthur> Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I
> Arthur> am able to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the
> Arthur> "Options" menu.  However, when I save the opetions and restart
> Arthur> XEmacs, the fonts are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my
> Arthur> X display.  Is there a way I can make lucidatypewriter my
> Arthur> default font for all faces?
> 
> Hopefully options saving and restoral will work better in 19.15.
> 

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From: Benny Amorsen <amorsen@dinar.daimi.aau.dk>
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Subject: Frame sizes in pixels, not in characters
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Is there any way to tell XEmacs to use a frame size in pixels instead
of characters?

It is kind of annoying that I can't get the width I want because it is
between two characters. It is quite silly because I am using a
proportional font. I would like the frame size to be independent of
the font I happen to choose, too.


Benny

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Help,

 In 19.13 I could not successfully get the gnuserv-start to work. 
 I could not invoke emacsclient and have it run.
 I used start-server (from FSF) to work in its place and this worked
 fine with emacsclient.

 In 19.14, which I just installed I could not get gnuserve-start to
 allow a emacsclient to attach. And start-server is no longer bound to
 any function.

 What am I doing wrong. Does gnuserve-start work?

Also,

 In 19.13 I downloaded and installed:

   xemacs-19.13-sparc-sun-sunos4.1.4-openwindows3.0.tar.gz

 In 19.14 I could only find:

   xmeacs-19.14-spar-sun-sunos4.1.3.tar.gz

 Is this known to work with 4.1.4 and openwindow3.0? There doesn't
 appear to be any problems yet.


Thanks in advance,

 Stevew.

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From: Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com>
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I assume the scenario is that you have just added a new defun, binding,
or something like that, and you want it to take affect.  What you should
be doing here is some sort of evaluate-region instead.

The most common example of this for me is when I add a new key binding
to my .emacs, I move to the end of the sexp and type c-x c-e (evaluate
sexp) and the new code takes affect.
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From: Michael Flynn <mike@riskmonitors.com>
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Subject: Re: Func-menu and the modeline display
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:37:45 -0400
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Hey,

It's got to be a bug.  I had the exact same problem, and after hacking
through the code, I really didn't find an adequate fix (I did get some
funky modelines). I was able to toggle the mode off, but never able to
permenantly turn it off. (it comes back each buffer since it's buffer
local)

What really pissed me off what the hack that was in there to set it's
position in the modeline.  If I couldn't turn it off, I at least wanted
to put it at the end.  But I couldn't figure that out.

The solution I arrived at was to change my modeline-format to put the
line numbers before the major and minor mode descriptions.

If this ever gets fixed or if I'm missing something clue me in!

Thanks,
-Mike


Karl Storck wrote:
> 
> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> putting in my .emacs:
> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
> 
> I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
> still it doesn't work.
> 
> Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
> the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
> gets all right).
> 
> Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03
> 
>         Karl

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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[Various people have commented that autoinsert.el does not work in 19.14].

>(setq auto-insert-alist 
>      '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
> 	("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
>	("\\.c$" . "i.c")
>	("\\.h$" . "i.h")
>	("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
> 	("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
>	("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))

This syntax is wrong.  Try this instead:

(setq auto-insert-alist 
      '(("\\.cc\\'" . "i.cc")
	("\\.hh\\'" . "i.hh")
	("\\.c\\'" . "i.c")
	("\\.h\\'" . "i.h")
	("\\.delos\\'" . "i.delos")
	("\\.icc\\'" . "i.icc")
	("[Mm]akefile\\'" . "i.make")))

In other words, the $ is wrong use \\' instead.  (\' matches the empty
string at the end of a string).
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>>>>> "Marcel" == Marcel Meuwissen <marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl> writes:

Marcel> Hi,
Marcel> Last week I installed Linux 2.0.12-ELF (Slackware 3.1, Infomagic, 
Marcel> September 1996) on my i486DX2-50 (20 Mb RAM). Then, I tried to compile 
Marcel> the XEmacs 19.14 beast from the source by:

Marcel> ./configure --with-database=no
Marcel> make

Marcel> During compilation I get no error messages. 

Marcel> In text mode XEmacs runs fine, but when I try to execute it on
Marcel> X, nothing happens. I get no error messages at all. When I
Marcel> press ^C, I hear a beep, xemacs prints "Quit" in the xterm and
Marcel> I get my shell-prompt back.

Marcel> Previously, I had no problems running XEmacs 19.14 on Linux
Marcel> 1.2.8-a.out and XEmacs 19.13 on Linux 2.0.12-ELF. Can someone
Marcel> help me with this problem?

This sounds like a broken /etc/hosts except that you say 19.14/a.out
works.

What is your hostname set up to be?  Some broken Linux configurations
define a hostname to be 127.0.0.1 which is just plain wrong.

A minimal /etc/hosts will look something like:
127.0.0.1       localhost
192.168.1.1	my-host-name

If that's not it, start checking library versions, it could also be a
bad shared library.
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>>>>> "Olivier" == Olivier LOUISNARD <louisnar@picpus.enstimac.fr> writes:

Olivier> 	xemacs : cannot resolve symbol _h_errno
Olivier> 	Segmentation fault

Olivier> Do I have a library that is not up-to-date or something like that ?

Yup.  See part II of the XEmacs FAQ.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_8

Olivier> Many thanks for help, and sorry if it is a FAQ.

Sigh. :-(
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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Shapiro <joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU> writes:

Joel> I too would be interested in this.  That is, can one get XEmacs
Joel> in C-mode to examine a specified makefile and look for -D
Joel> options which define flags etc., and also in .h files, so that
Joel> the parsing of the .c files will be the same as when they're run
Joel> through the compiler.

Per Abrahamsen's cpp.el will do something similar (allow selective
hiding by variable name), but as far as I know, no one has ported that
package to XEmacs.

> On Sep 25,  3:21pm, Rita Lui wrote:
Rita> Subject: How to display code within #ifdef and #endif?
Rita> Hi,
Rita> 
Rita> How do I tell Xemacs to display the C/C++ code that
Rita> is within #ifdef and #endif only?
Rita> 
Rita> I am using Xemacs 19.13.
Rita> 
Rita> Thanks very much in advance.

You might try hide-ifdef-mode (I think it's in 19.13):

hide-ifdef-mode: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "hideif".
Toggle Hide-Ifdef mode.  This is a minor mode, albeit a large one.
With ARG, turn Hide-Ifdef mode on if arg is positive, off otherwise.
In Hide-Ifdef mode, code within #ifdef constructs that the C preprocessor
would eliminate may be hidden from view.  Several variables affect
how the hiding is done:
 ...
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>>>>>   <moan@evolution.bmc.uu.se> writes:

> Hi,
> Has anyone come up with a solution to this - that is, make all marked
> files unmarked and vice versa in a single keystroke?

> Thanks,

> Morten

Tested only against XEmacs, execute when visiting a dired buffer.

(defun dired-toggle-mark (&optional arg)
  (interactive "P")
  (let (ichar buffer-read-only)
    (save-excursion
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (forward-line 2)
      (while (not (eobp))
	(setq ichar (if (looking-at " ") dired-marker-char ?\  ))
	(delete-char 1)
	(insert ichar)
	(forward-line 1)))))

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Anyone seen this?

otto:/usr/local/src/HPUX/inwork/xemacs-19.14/src> ./xemacs
Error: attempt to add non-widget child "dsm" to parent "xemacs" which 
supports only widgets

configuration was:
./configure --cflags=-O3 --dynamic=yes --with-xpm=yes --with-xface=yes
--with-jpeg=yes --with-png=yes

OS: HP-UX A.09.03 A 9000/712 

Thanks,

-Michael

P.S.: pls. "cc:" to my address

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I use (x)emacs for editing VHDL-files. My problem is that the files I
edit are usually all called vhdl.vhd (but in different directories, of
course). As a result, I tend to have vhdl.vhd<1> to vhdl.vhd<xx> in
the buffers menu, making it pretty difficult to find the file I want.

The question is, is it possible to change the names that appear in the
buffer menu to reflect what is actually in the files (I can easily
write a regexp to get a better description for the file), rather than
just the filename?
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    Hi,
    
    I have just met Bill Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu
    and talked with him about his functions
    
	exec-to-string
	with-output-to-string
	
    which seem to be adopted to XE 19.14. However Richard Stallman
    said that the name exec-to-string is not well chosen enough to
    describe what the command does. He's planning to include
    the function into emacs with name
    
	shell-command-to-string  (old exec-to-string)

    To help us lisp package developers, could you add an alias 
    definition or change the name to the same as Emacs uses.
    
    Furher on, please, XEmacs developers and Emacs developers, be in contact
    when you add functions to either of emacs releases and make an
    agreement about the common function names.
    
    Recently I have seen post by Erik that mentioned something about
    new lisp function beeing added to Emacs distribution. Would you
    Erik inform the XEmacs people about these new functions.


    
    Thank you.
    /jari
    
    
    

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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com> writes:

Mike> Hi All,
Mike> Does anyone have a solution to the save-options problem?

 ...

Mike> When I do a "save" after changing a font, it DOES change the
Mike> .xemacs-options file.  But it never affects the next load.  I
Mike> believe that my .xemacs-options is being sourced properly.  (At least
Mike> all  my edit faces stuff is read properly).

Mike> Considering that my users are working on several different platforms,
Mike> it would be extremely nice to get this figured out before I upgrade
Mike> everyone else to 19.14.

After considerable digging around, I found that everything seems to be
working fine except that stuff like font type and font size are not
being saved and thus, not restored.

I have found an extremely ugly workaround.  That being said, the fix
requires a source installation.  Go into lisp/x11 and apply the
attached patch, then redump XEmacs by performing `make all-elc'.
XEmacs *must* be redumped for this to work.  This patch was developed
against XEmacs beta 19.15 so the offsets are a little off, but the
patch applies safely to distribution 19.14, and does appear to address
the problems everyone has been describing.

Hopefully, things will work better in 19.15.

This is not pretty, but you've been warned ...

*** x-menubar.el~	Sun Sep 15 11:33:41 1996
--- x-menubar.el	Thu Sep 26 01:16:10 1996
***************
*** 923,928 ****
--- 923,929 ----
  
  
  ;;; The Options menu
+ (defvar save-options-font-hack nil)
  
  (defconst options-menu-saved-forms
    ;; This is really quite a kludge, but it gets the job done.
***************
*** 1062,1068 ****
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! 			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
  
       ))
--- 1063,1069 ----
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! p			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
  
       ))
***************
*** 1167,1172 ****
--- 1168,1192 ----
  			     (prin1 var))))
  		    (if var (princ "\n")))
  		options-menu-saved-forms)
+ 	(when save-options-font-hack
+ 	  (princ "(require 'x-font-menu)\n")
+ 	  (princ "(setq save-options-font-hack '(")
+ 	  (princ (car save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (cadr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (caddr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (format "%d" (cadddr save-options-font-hack)))
+ 	  (princ "))\n(")
+ 	  (princ (car save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (cadr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (caddr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (format "%d" (cadddr save-options-font-hack)))
+ 	  (princ ")\n"))
  	))
      (set-marker options-output-marker nil)
      (save-excursion

*** x-font-menu.el~	Sun Sep  8 16:50:33 1996
--- x-font-menu.el	Thu Sep 26 01:13:40 1996
***************
*** 452,457 ****
--- 452,461 ----
  			       (or weight from-weight)
  			       (or size   from-size)
  			       default-name))
+     (setq save-options-font-hack (list 'font-menu-set-font
+ 				       (or family from-family)
+ 				       (or weight from-weight)
+ 				       (or size from-size)))
      (while faces
        (cond ((face-font-instance (car faces))
  	     (message "Changing font of `%s'..." (car faces))

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does anybody know the approximate date ?
bodo
 
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> Arthur> Under XEmacs 19.14 (Linux 2.0.21, GCC 2.7.21, libc 5.2.18), I
> Arthur> am able to change the font to lucidatypewriter using the
> Arthur> "Options" menu.  However, when I save the opetions and restart
> Arthur> XEmacs, the fonts are still in Courier, which looks ugly on my
> Arthur> X display.  Is there a way I can make lucidatypewriter my
> Arthur> default font for all faces?

I had the same problem with XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4 (also built with 
gcc 2.7.2).  For me moving the "(load-options-file ...)" to the top of my 
".emacs" (rather than the end) solved the problem...

Just my $0.02,

Eelco.

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Func-menu and the modeline display
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:26:29 -0700
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Karl Storck wrote:
>
> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> putting in my .emacs:
> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
>
> I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
> still it doesn't work.
>
> Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
> the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
> gets all right).
>
> Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03
>
>         Karl

Hm, does work for me without any problem.

Normaly I have

;; (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
(setq-default fume-auto-rescan-buffer-p nil)

in my .emacs, since what bothers me is only the speed of scrolling and 
not the display itself. But when I do a 

M-x set-variable fume-display-in-modeline-p nil

in a (FORTRAN-)buffer the modeline-display disappears at once. When 
switching back on again, I have to do a revert-buffer.

XEmacs 19.14 on DEC ALPHA OSF/3.2, precompilied binaries

HTH,
Thomas
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Subject: Re: modeline information
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:36:09 -0700
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> This is a bit of a "me too" - in previous versions of XEmacs I'd
> altered the whole modeline string, but that seems more difficult now
> if the extents are to be maintained.  I've saved space somewhat by
> removing the directory part of the filename and reducing the space
> needed for the modification string.  Cut from my .emacs:
> 
> I'd dearly like to hack my modeline as before, so that the more
> meaningful pieces of info. (to me!) are at the left.  How do I do this
> and still maintain the extents?

I had the same problem, when switching to XEmacs 19.14. Here is what I 
came up with:

;;########################################################################
;;
;; defun's needed for modeline
;;
;;########################################################################

(setq-default line-number-mode t)

(if (not (running-emacs-version-or-newer 19 14))
    (progn
      (defvar my-modeline-format
	'("%1*%1* " modeline-buffer-identification " -- " 
global-mode-string " -- "
	  "%[(" mode-name minor-mode-alist ")%]" " -- " 
	  (line-number-mode "P %l:%c") " -- " (-3 . "%p") " %-" )
	"modeline-format for displaying line & pos")
      (setq-default modeline-format my-modeline-format))

  ;; XEmacs-19.14 way for doing modeline-things
  (setq-default modeline-modified (purecopy '("%1*%1* ")))

  (setq-default modeline-buffer-identification
		(list (cons modeline-buffer-id-left-extent (purecopy 
"19.14:"))
		      (cons modeline-buffer-id-right-extent (purecopy " 
%17b"))))

  (setq-default modeline-format
		(list (purecopy "")
		      (cons modeline-modified-extent
			    'modeline-modified)
		      (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
			    'modeline-buffer-identification)
		      (purecopy " -- ")
		      (purecopy "%[(")
		      (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
			    (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist))
		      'modeline-process
		      (purecopy ")%] -- ")
		      (purecopy '(line-number-mode "P %l:%c"))
		      (purecopy " -- ")
		      (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
		      (purecopy " %-"))))

;; remove font-lock & fast-lock from modeline
;; to shorten minor-mode-alist
;; to use this, add
;; (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'clear-minor-mode-alist)
;; before things like fast-font-lock
(defvar mode-pos nil)

(defun clear-minor-mode-alist ()
  "remove font-lock and fast-font-lock from minor-mode-alist"
  (interactive "")
  (setq mode-pos (assq 'fast-lock-mode minor-mode-alist))
  (if (not (equal mode-pos nil))
      (setq-default minor-mode-alist 
		    (delete mode-pos minor-mode-alist)))
  (setq mode-pos (assq 'font-lock-mode minor-mode-alist))
  (if (not (equal mode-pos nil))
      (setq-default minor-mode-alist 
		    (delete mode-pos minor-mode-alist))))

;; remove font-lock & fast-lock from modeline
(if (fboundp 'clear-minor-mode-alist)
    (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'clear-minor-mode-alist))

This shortens the modeline somewhat. Enough for me in most cases. 
(Especially without the minor-mode stuff!)

HTH,
Thomas

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Subject: Re: reload-file Function needed !!!!!!
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:40:12 -0700
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Bernd Classen wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> i need a function which reloads the file in the current buffer from the
> disk because it has changed there. Can anyone hel me ?????
> 
> Mni Tnx
> Jens

revert-buffer

revert-buffer: (&optional ignore-auto noconfirm)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
Replace the buffer text with the text of the visited file on disk.
This undoes all changes since the file was visited or saved.
With a prefix argument, offer to revert from latest auto-save file, if
that is more recent than the visited file.
When called from Lisp, the first argument is IGNORE-AUTO; only offer
to revert from the auto-save file when this is nil.  Note that the
sense of this argument is the reverse of the prefix argument, for the
sake of backward compatibility.  IGNORE-AUTO is optional, defaulting
to nil.

Optional second argument NOCONFIRM means don't ask for confirmation at
all.

If the value of `revert-buffer-function' is non-nil, it is called to
do the work.

The default revert function runs the hook `before-revert-hook' at the
beginning and `after-revert-hook' at the end.


Thomas
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From: Alan Braverman <alanb@sgi.com>
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Subject: Re: scheduled appointments
Date: 26 Sep 1996 03:21:23 -0700
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Michael Wright <michael.wright@medaphis.com> writes:
> What do I need to add to my .emacs file to have diary appointments pop
> to the front of my monitor at their pre-defined time?

:-) What I'd like to know is how to get them to *stop* popping up.  Is
there an "alright already, I see the appointment buffer" command?

I believe (display-time) is required for appointments to pop up.  Here is a
snippet of my .emacs file:
  
  -------------------- cut here ---------------------------------
  (require 'appt)
  (display-time)
  (appt-initialize)
  (setq appt-message-warning-time 10) ;; in minutes
  (setq appt-display-mode-line nil)
  (setq appt-display-duration 30) ;; in seconds
  (setq appt-announce-method 'appt-persistent-message-announce)
  
  (cond
   ((equal (device-type) 'x)   ;; if running under X
    (setq appt-announce-method 'appt-frame-announce)))
  ---------------------------------------------------------------

Ciao,
Alan

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First, I miss the menu item "Report Emacs Bug" in the help menu.  Emacs
(FSF Emacs, GNU Emacs, ... as you like it) has this item.

Second, was this function ever tested for XEmacs?...I cite from the
package packages/emacsbug.el:

(defvar bug-gnu-emacs "xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu"
  "Address of site maintaining mailing list for GNU Emacs bugs.")

...the NEWS file states:

	XEmacs has a new address!  The canonical ftp site is now
	ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs and the Web page is now at
	http://www.xemacs.org/.  All mailing lists now have @xemacs.org
	addresses.

...the info pages state:

	The newsgroup `comp.emacs.xemacs' may be used for bug reports
	[...] the newsgroup is bidirectionally gatewayed into the
	mailing list `xemacs@xemacs.org'.

=> is the right address this newsgroup?  (`May be used' is `should be
used'?)  I would actually prefer a separate mail address for bug
reports...otherwise many bug reports get lost.  (What's about a special
html page containing "Collected Bug Reports"?  Or some file in
ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/mlists/?) BTW, I also tried the FAQ and the WWW
address.


(defun report-emacs-bug (topic)
  [...]
  (if (and system-configuration-options

Symbol's value as variable is void: system-configuration-options

  [...]
  (use-local-map (nconc (make-sparse-keymap) (current-local-map)))

Wrong type argument: listp, #<keymap 0 entries 0x450e>


...then I stopped using it.  BTW, this package should be based on
package `reporter' (it contains nice user options such as
`reporter-mailer').

My last question: is this newsgroup the right place to report bugs?  I
have the impression that some bug reports for XEmacs-19.13 I have seen
in this newsgroup are still `valid' bug reports for XEmacs-19.14...and I
have some more...

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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From: des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott)
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Subject: Re: vm or ramil with pop servers?
Date: 26 Sep 1996 11:07:03 GMT
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In article <32495103.1AD36077@ix.netcom.com>,
	Peter Ogilvie <pdo@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> I'm getting my personal mail from a pop server these days.  Is there a
> package out there to get emacs to talk to these guys?

It's certainly possible with VM.  Here's the line from my .emacs:

  ;; Where to get our mail
  (setq vm-spool-files '("server:110:pass:des:*"))

which means "port 110 on machine <server>, using password authorisation
for user <des>". The "*" requires me to type my password in when I start
VM, because I never store unencrpyted passwords.

C-h v on 'vm-spool-files' is very helpful here.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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Subject: font lock hangs in c++ mode for the following lines (Xemacs 19.14 precompiled solaris)
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/*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~~
                         ***** W A R N I N G *****
 
                         ***** W A R N I N G *****
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~*/

With a kill -FPE, I was able to get this back trace: (control-g will not st=
op it)


Signalling: (quit)
  re-search-forward("^\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+[ =09]+\\)?\\(\\(\\sw\\=
|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+[ =09]+\\)?\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+[ =09]+\\)?\\([*=
&]+[ =09]*\\)?\\(\\(\\sw\\|\\s_\\|[:~*&]\\)+\\)[ =09]*(" 5037 t)
  font-lock-fontify-keywords-region(1 5037 nil)
  font-lock-fontify-region(1 5037)
  byte-code("=8A=C0ed\"=88)=C0=87" [font-lock-fontify-region] 3)
  #<compiled-function (from "font-lock.elc") nil "...(65)" [font-lock-mode =
font-lock-verbose 0 nil aborted font-lock-message-threshold was-on 1 font-l=
ock-unfontify-region t (byte-code "=8A=C0ed\"=88)=C0=87" ... 3) (...) font-=
lock-fontified make-local-variable message "Fontifying %s... aborted." buff=
er-name run-hooks font-lock-after-fontify-buffer-hook] 5 "Fontify the curre=
nt buffer the way `font-lock-mode' would.\nSee `font-lock-mode' for details=
.\n\nThis can take a while for large buffers." nil>()
  call-interactively(font-lock-fontify-buffer)
  command-execute(font-lock-fontify-buffer t)
  execute-extended-command(nil)
  call-interactively(execute-extended-command)


This is new to xemac19.14.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

-Bill

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From: Peter Berger <peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Core dump in w3

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-bsdi-bsdi2.1) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on hoopoe.psc.edu

(gdb) where
#0  0x263571 in kill ()
#1  0x24b8e in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:193
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x57db0 in DGifDecompressLine (GifFile=0x684fc0,
    Line=0x90475b <Address 0x90475b out of bounds>, LineLen=154)
    at dgif_lib.c:704
#4  0xb79aa in our_own_dgif_slurp_from_gif2x11_c (GifFile=0x684fc0)
    at glyphs-x.c:1671
#5  0xb7b10 in gif_instantiate (image_instance=275267584,
    instantiator=1080833216, pointer_fg=271998980, pointer_bg=271998980,
    dest_mask=47) at glyphs-x.c:1750
#6  0x5987f in instantiate_image_instantiator (device=272609536,
    instantiator=1080833216, pointer_fg=271998980, pointer_bg=271998980,
    dest_mask=47) at glyphs.c:507
#7  0x5b081 in image_instantiate (specifier=277176768, matchspec=271635244,
    domain=277367808, instantiator=1080833216, depth=1) at glyphs.c:1639
#8  0x2a2e9 in primitive_funcall (fn=0x5ada8 <image_instantiate>, nargs=5,
    args=0xefbfc408) at eval.c:3492
#9  0x2877d in call_with_suspended_errors (fun=0x5ada8 <image_instantiate>,
    retval=271635244, class=272099620, errb=ERROR_ME, nargs=5) at eval.c:2165
#10 0x980cd in specifier_instance_from_inst_list (specifier=277176768,
    matchspec=271635244, domain=277367808, inst_list=544156916, errb=ERROR_ME,
    no_quit=0, depth=1) at specifier.c:2358
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#11 0x983b3 in specifier_instance (specifier=277176768, matchspec=271635244,
    domain=277367808, errb=ERROR_ME, no_quit=0, no_fallback=0, depth=0)
    at specifier.c:2467
#12 0x984de in Fspecifier_instance (specifier=277176768, domain=271998980,
    defalt=271998980, no_fallback=271998980) at specifier.c:2560
#13 0x2a2d4 in primitive_funcall (fn=0x98484 <Fspecifier_instance>, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfc570) at eval.c:3490
#14 0x2a3fa in funcall_subr (subr=0x30cca8, args=0xefbfc570) at eval.c:3526
#15 0x29c58 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272109108, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfc5cc) at eval.c:3207
#16 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfc5cc) at eval.c:3253
#17 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811111844, vector=1079442080, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#18 0x2a2c2 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xca60 <Fbyte_code>, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfc6d4) at eval.c:3488
#19 0x2a3fa in funcall_subr (subr=0x26a31c, args=0xefbfc6d4) at eval.c:3526
#20 0x29977 in Feval (form=541623388) at eval.c:3064
#21 0x27f24 in condition_case_1 (handlers=541623028, bfun=0x293bc <Feval>,
    barg=541623388, hfun=0x27f58 <run_condition_case_handlers>, harg=271998980)
    at eval.c:1672
#22 0x2807e in Fcondition_case_3 (bodyform=541623388, var=271998980,
    handlers=541623028) at eval.c:1738
#23 0xd3ad in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811112132, vector=1079465728, maxdepth=12)
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    at bytecode.c:655
#24 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274310776, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfc94c)
    at eval.c:3638
#25 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274312468, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfc948) at eval.c:3228
#26 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfc948) at eval.c:3253
#27 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811098812, vector=1079432128, maxdepth=5)
    at bytecode.c:450
#28 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274310636, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfcb18)
    at eval.c:3638
#29 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274312420, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfcb14) at eval.c:3228
#30 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfcb14) at eval.c:3253
#31 0x2a0fd in Fapply (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcb14) at eval.c:3410
#32 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcb10) at eval.c:3191
#33 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcb10) at eval.c:3253
#34 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854828, vector=1079632096, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#35 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100368, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfcc38)
    at eval.c:3638
#36 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263388, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfcc34) at eval.c:3228
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#37 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcc34) at eval.c:3253
#38 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811098560, vector=1079432064, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#39 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274310664, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfce00)
    at eval.c:3638
#40 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274312396, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3228
#41 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3253
#42 0x2a123 in Fapply (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3415
#43 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcdf8) at eval.c:3191
#44 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcdf8) at eval.c:3253
#45 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854828, vector=1079632096, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#46 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100368, nargs=3, arg_vector=0xefbfcf20)
    at eval.c:3638
#47 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263388, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcf1c) at eval.c:3228
#48 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcf1c) at eval.c:3253
#49 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854576, vector=1079632032, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#50 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100424, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfd050)
    at eval.c:3638
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#51 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263436, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd04c) at eval.c:3228
#52 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd04c) at eval.c:3253
#53 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811329888, vector=1079625728, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#54 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274456916, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfd224)
    at eval.c:3638
#55 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274411156, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3228
#56 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3253
#57 0x2a123 in Fapply (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3415
#58 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd21c) at eval.c:3191
#59 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd21c) at eval.c:3253
#60 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576764, vector=1079826432, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#61 0x2a2c2 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xca60 <Fbyte_code>, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd324) at eval.c:3488
#62 0x2a3fa in funcall_subr (subr=0x26a31c, args=0xefbfd324) at eval.c:3526
#63 0x29977 in Feval (form=541922492) at eval.c:3064
#64 0x26fb9 in Fprogn (args=541922324) at eval.c:746
#65 0xd340 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576680, vector=1079558848, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:633 
#38 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811098560, vector=1079432064, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#39 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274310664, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfce00)
    at eval.c:3638
#40 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274312396, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3228
#41 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3253
#42 0x2a123 in Fapply (nargs=3, args=0xefbfcdfc) at eval.c:3415
#43 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcdf8) at eval.c:3191
#44 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcdf8) at eval.c:3253
#45 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854828, vector=1079632096, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#46 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100368, nargs=3, arg_vector=0xefbfcf20)
    at eval.c:3638
#47 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263388, nargs=4,
    args=0xefbfcf1c) at eval.c:3228
#48 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=4, args=0xefbfcf1c) at eval.c:3253
#49 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=809854576, vector=1079632032, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#50 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274100424, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfd050)
    at eval.c:3638
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#51 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274263436, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd04c) at eval.c:3228
#52 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd04c) at eval.c:3253
#53 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811329888, vector=1079625728, maxdepth=7)
    at bytecode.c:450
#54 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274456916, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfd224)
    at eval.c:3638
#55 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274411156, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3228
#56 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3253
#57 0x2a123 in Fapply (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd220) at eval.c:3415
#58 0x29c13 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=272086820, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd21c) at eval.c:3191
#59 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd21c) at eval.c:3253
#60 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576764, vector=1079826432, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:450
#61 0x2a2c2 in primitive_funcall (fn=0xca60 <Fbyte_code>, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd324) at eval.c:3488
#62 0x2a3fa in funcall_subr (subr=0x26a31c, args=0xefbfd324) at eval.c:3526
#63 0x29977 in Feval (form=541922492) at eval.c:3064
#64 0x26fb9 in Fprogn (args=541922324) at eval.c:746
#65 0xd340 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576680, vector=1079558848, maxdepth=3)
    at bytecode.c:633
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#66 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274673188, nargs=1, arg_vector=0xefbfd50c)
    at eval.c:3638
#67 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274451612, nargs=2,
    args=0xefbfd508) at eval.c:3228
#68 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=2, args=0xefbfd508) at eval.c:3253
#69 0xcf91 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=811576932, vector=1079995264, maxdepth=5)
    at bytecode.c:450
#70 0x2a6e7 in funcall_lambda (fun=274673216, nargs=2, arg_vector=0xefbfd634)
    at eval.c:3638
#71 0x29ce4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=274714700, nargs=3,
    args=0xefbfd630) at eval.c:3228
#72 0x29d25 in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0xefbfd630) at eval.c:3253
#73 0x2acd8 in call2 (fn=274714700, arg0=275255424, arg1=814272256)
    at eval.c:4010
#74 0x2b8e4 in catch_them_squirmers_call2 (cons=544002596) at eval.c:4542
#75 0x27f24 in condition_case_1 (handlers=271999076,
    bfun=0x2b8bc <catch_them_squirmers_call2>, barg=544002596,
    hfun=0x2b2d4 <caught_a_squirmer>, harg=273170624) at eval.c:1672
#76 0x2bb77 in call2_trapping_errors (
    warning_string=0x7853e "Error in process sentinel", function=274714700,
    object1=275255424, object2=814272256) at eval.c:4608
#77 0x785b3 in exec_sentinel (proc=275255424, reason=814272256)
    at process.c:2056
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
#78 0x78c8f in status_notify () at process.c:2480
#79 0x330ff in execute_internal_event (event=272931632) at event-stream.c:2809
#80 0x34330 in Fdispatch_event (event=272931632) at event-stream.c:3820
#81 0x12cb8 in Fcommand_loop_1 () at cmdloop.c:542
#82 0x12b1f in command_loop_1 (dummy=271998980) at cmdloop.c:462
#83 0x27f24 in condition_case_1 (handlers=271999076,
    bfun=0x12b04 <command_loop_1>, barg=271998980, hfun=0x125e8 <cmd_error>,
    harg=271998980) at eval.c:1672
#84 0x126e0 in command_loop_3 () at cmdloop.c:224
#85 0x126fc in command_loop_2 (dummy=271998980) at cmdloop.c:235
#86 0x27c1d in internal_catch (tag=272076196, func=0x126f4 <command_loop_2>,
    arg=271998980, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1347
#87 0x1286d in initial_command_loop (load_me=271998980) at cmdloop.c:273
#88 0x2560f in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0xefbfd9c8, envp=0xefbfd9d0)
    at emacs.c:1317
#89 0x25964 in main (argc=1, argv=0xefbfd9c8, envp=0xefbfd9d0) at emacs.c:1461
#81 0x12cb8 in Fcommand_loop_1 () at cmdloop.c:542
#82 0x12b1f in command_loop_1 (dummy=271998980) at cmdloop.c:462
#83 0x27f24 in condition_case_1 (handlers=271999076,
    bfun=0x12b04 <command_loop_1>, barg=271998980, hfun=0x125e8 <cmd_error>,
    harg=271998980) at eval.c:1672
#84 0x126e0 in command_loop_3 () at cmdloop.c:224
#85 0x126fc in command_loop_2 (dummy=271998980) at cmdloop.c:235
#86 0x27c1d in internal_catch (tag=272076196, func=0x126f4 <command_loop_2>,
    arg=271998980, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1347
#87 0x1286d in initial_command_loop (load_me=271998980) at cmdloop.c:273
#88 0x2560f in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0xefbfd9c8, envp=0xefbfd9d0)
    at emacs.c:1317
#89 0x25964 in main (argc=1, argv=0xefbfd9c8, envp=0xefbfd9d0) at emacs.c:1461
(


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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: Request for Help on gnuserve-start
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:24:54 -0700
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Steve Waldstein wrote:
>  What am I doing wrong. Does gnuserve-start work?

Hi Steve,

its gnuserv-start in XEmacs 19.14. This is what I have in my .emacs:

;;;; start the gnuserv
(require 'gnuserv)
;;; Files from edit server will be opened in the selected frame.
;;; If this frame is deleted we will select another frame to use.

;; Selects another frame for the edit server to use if the frame
actually
;; used is deleted.
(add-hook 'delete-frame-hook
          '(lambda (frame) (if (eq frame gnuserv-frame)
                          (setq gnuserv-frame (next-frame frame nil)))))

;; Makes the selected frame respond to edit server requests.
(add-hook 'select-frame-hook
          '(lambda () (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))))

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))
;;; start edit server
(gnuserv-start)

HTH,
Thomas

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From: Xianfeng Ni <x.ni@ucl.ac.uk>
Subject: Print buffer to PS file instead of to printer
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Hi,

Anybody can tell me how to print (pretty-print) buffer to postscript
file instead of to printer? Thanks!


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From: Radomir Mech <mech@cpsc.ucalgary.ca>
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Subject: Buffers menu in 19.14
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:18:56 -0600
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Hi!

I would like to know how I can make the Buffers menu work as in 19.13. 
I must admit that I find the new menu sorting files by name and grouping
them by extension annoying.

Can you reply also by e-mail, please?

Thanks,
Radek

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From: "Antonio M. Corbi Bellot" <acorbi@altea.dlsi.ua.es>
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Hi:

1) Recently I compiled xemacs 19.14 on my linux box (2.0.x) with gcc
2.7.2 without any problem. The resulting xemacs in the 'src' of the
distribution worked fine under X and under a tty, specially de 'info'
command. Then I did a 'make install', it installed OK, and keeps working
OK, except for the 'info' command. When I try to execute it within a
'installed xemacs' session (tty or X) I get the message:

  "Symbol's value as variable is void: installation-directory"


Does any one know why this happens and whats the sollution?
One more thing, during a bit of time I had co-existing the two
'variants' of xemacs 19.14 (the installed one and the one in the
subdirectory 'src' of the distribution), as you expect, in the installed
didn't work the info command, but in the other it worked allright.

2) Does any one know why in xemacs (under X) I obtain messages like
'dead_grave not defined', 'dead_acute not defined', etc.. (under a tty
it works well). More general, does any one know how can I display 8 bit
characters with xemacs under X?.


Thanks.
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From: binge@aloft.att.com (Curtis.N.Bingham)
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I typically have multiple XEmacs sessions. Is there a way to limit
gnuserv so that it only starts on one?

Thanx,

Curtis

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>>>>> "CW" == Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de> writes:
 [Reorganized when cited]
CW> First, I miss the menu item "Report Emacs Bug" in the help menu.
CW> Emacs (FSF Emacs, GNU Emacs, ... as you like it) has this item.

There is a very good reason why Report XEmacs Bug is not currently in
the help menu :-(.

CW> Second, was this function ever tested for XEmacs?...I cite from
CW> the package packages/emacsbug.el:

Whatever.  This package has been fixed for XEmacs 19.15.

CW> BTW, this package should be based on package `reporter' (it
CW> contains nice user options such as `reporter-mailer').

For compatibility we are still using a version close to the one in GNU
Emacs.

CW> 	The newsgroup `comp.emacs.xemacs' may be used for bug reports
CW> 	[...] the newsgroup is bidirectionally gatewayed into the
CW> 	mailing list `xemacs@xemacs.org'.

CW> => is the right address this newsgroup?

The current correct address for the gatewayed mailing list is
`xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu'.

CW> I would actually prefer a separate mail address for bug
CW> reports...otherwise many bug reports get lost.

I don't think so.  Chuck Thompson (the primary XEmacs developer)
archives this newsgroup and maintains an extensive bug/change request
database based on messages posted here.

CW> I have the impression that some bug reports for XEmacs-19.13 I
CW> have seen in this newsgroup are still `valid' bug reports for
CW> XEmacs-19.14...and I have some more...

By all means, please post them.
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>>>>> "Xianfeng" == Xianfeng Ni <x.ni@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

Xianfeng> Anybody can tell me how to print (pretty-print) buffer to
Xianfeng> postscript file instead of to printer? Thanks!

Try `M-x ps-spool-buffer-with-faces'.

C-h f ps-spool-buffer-with-faces

ps-spool-buffer-with-faces: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "ps-print".
Generate and spool a PostScript image of the buffer.
Like `ps-spool-buffer', but includes font, color, and underline
information in the generated image.  This command works only if you
are using a window system, so it has a way to determine color values.

Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer.

C-h f ps-spool-buffer
ps-spool-buffer: an interactive autoloaded Lisp function.
  -- loads from "ps-print".
Generate and spool a PostScript image of the buffer.
Like `ps-print-buffer' except that the PostScript image is saved in a
local buffer to be sent to the printer later.

Use the command `ps-despool' to send the spooled images to the printer.

-- 
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Under Linux (kernel 2.0.0): run (warn "oink") (via Meta-ESC); go into
the *Warnings* buffer and kill it with "kill-buffer" (via ^X^K).  Then
run (warn "oink") again and what XEmacs (19.13) crash with a
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	Where does one get func-menu?  I thought it came standard, but
apparently it does not...

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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	It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for emacs,
but not a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Subject: gnuclient 19.14 doesn't pop XEmacs to the front (again: got no reply)
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	I posted about this recently but got no reply.  In XEmacs 19.13,
gnuclient used to de-iconify the window if necessary and pop it to the front
of the workspace (presumably with make-frame-visible).  I came to rely on this
behavior, but it seems 19.14 doesn't behave this way any more.

	Anyone know why?  Can anyone at least verify my observation?  Is
mocking up my own gnuclient with gnudoit the only way to get the old behavior?

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> 	It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for
Dan> emacs, but not a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?

No one in their right mind actually programs in csh (see the Csh
Programming Considered Harmful FAQ by Tom Christiansen):

	http://gonzo.tamu.edu/csh.whynot.html

However, take a look at sh-script.el in the latest GNU Emacs releases.
It looks like there are various csh modes in it.

-- 
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Dan Harkless wrote:
> 
>         Where does one get func-menu?  I thought it came standard, but
> apparently it does not...
> 
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It comes standard, at least in 19.14. 
It's in /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/func-menu.el

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From: Pete Forman <gsez020@nemo.bedford.waii.com>
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

    Dan> I posted about this recently but got no reply.  In XEmacs
    Dan> 19.13, gnuclient used to de-iconify the window if necessary
    Dan> and pop it to the front of the workspace (presumably with
    Dan> make-frame-visible).  I came to rely on this behavior, but it
    Dan> seems 19.14 doesn't behave this way any more.

    Dan> Anyone know why?  Can anyone at least verify my observation?
    Dan> Is mocking up my own gnuclient with gnudoit the only way to
    Dan> get the old behavior?

I have noticed a similar problem with VM.  Typically my mail will be
in one frame and work in another.  When I read new mail by clicking on
the toolbar, the VM frame is not raised to the front as it was in
XEmacs 19.13.  Interestingly Gnus does not have this problem, so you
might like to look in its code to see how gnusdoit ;-)
-- 
Pete Forman
Western Geophysical
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Hi.  I have a little problem which hopefully some Elisp guru can help
me with:

I use VM w/XEmacs-19.14 as my mail reader, and Netscape as my web
browser.  I work on a twin-headed X server (i.e. displays are :0.0 and
:0.1).  I want to be able to run a "netscape -remote" command to the
Netscape (which runs on display :0.1) when I click on a URL in VM (which
runs on display :0.0).

Setting vm-netscape-program to "netscape -display :0.1" doesn't do the
trick, since XEmacs tries to run that program, rather than passing
"-display :0.1" as arguments to "netscape".

So how can I make XEmacs pass "-display :0.1" to "netscape" ?

Thanks in advance,

-- 
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From: Vinnie Shelton  <shelton@icd.teradyne.com>
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Subject: Re: gnuclient 19.14 doesn't pop XEmacs to the front (again: got no reply)
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This was posted some time ago.  It works for me, YMMV.

Vin Shelton

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After installing XEmacs 19.14, I found that the good old server.el
package is becoming obsolete, so I switched to gnuserv.el. However,
I didn't like the way gnuserv opens a new frame for every file being
read in, so I added the following line to my site-start.el file:

  (setq gnuserv-frame (window-frame))

This causes the same frame to be taken for every usage of gnuclient.
However, I found that when XEmacs was iconified, it did not de-iconify
when using gnuclient !!!!!!!!

I traced this bug to function server-make-window-visible in package
gnuserv.el: this function uses variables window-system and
window-system-version in the following way:

  (and (boundp 'window-system)
       (boundp 'window-system-version)
       (eq window-system 'x)
       (eq window-system-version 11)
       (cond ((fboundp 'raise-frame)
	      (raise-frame (selected-frame)))
	...

Since variable window-system-version does not exist anymore, the
function body is never executed !!!!! I replaced the above code
into:

  (and (eq (console-type) 'x)
       (cond ((fboundp 'raise-frame)
	      (raise-frame (selected-frame)))
	...

which makes XEmacs de-iconify again when using gnuclient.

Furthermore, I get a huge list of obsolete variables and functions
when compiling gnuserv.el: this should really be fixed.

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From: binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham)
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Subject: Re: printing under xemacs (19.14) [REPOST]
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daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku) writes:

> I used Steve's last idea and here is what my code looks like in .emacs.
> 
> ;;Note this will pass a buffer through a the a2ps filter.
> ;;a2ps takes a text file and wraps it with page numbers 
> ;;file names and dates.  The version of a2ps that I use is 4.25a
> ;;Note I compiled a2ps to auto send to a printer defined
> ;;by the env vars LPDEST and PRINTER.  
> ;;(Solaris apps are brain dead some us PRINTER some use LPDEST)
> (setq lpr-command "/u/daku/bin/a2ps")
> (make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
> (put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)
> (add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
> (defun my-set-lpr-switches()
>   "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
>   (when buffer-file-name
> (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-H" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))
> 
> ===========
> A note with this solution you can not use buffer-name.  It will confict with
> too much of XEmacs.

I appear to be getting some slightly different results here.  I find
that the buffer-file-name variable is the full path, which is too much
for me.  In the code provide by Steve Baur, it appears that there was
an error in the use of 'buffer-name--it should be something like this:
(concat "-H" (buffer-name)).

I also find the function below constantly adds the buffer name to the
lpr-switches.  I don't seem to be getting a true buffer-local
variable. 

> (defun my-set-lpr-switches()
>   "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
>   (when buffer-file-name
> (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-H" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))

Can someone describe why lpr-switches aren't made to be buffer-local?

Thanx,

Curtis

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From: "Morgan D. Jones" <mdjones@bbn.com>
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Hey all!

I'm hoping for some insight into a problem I'm having compiling xemacs
on mklinux.  I know most of you don't know mklinux, but your knowledge
of xemacs is well established.

When building emacs/xemacs on mklinux everything goes great until temacs
starts to run.  temacs allocates all of the memory and core dumps.

>From what I've been told, there is some upper bit twiddling that is done
by xemacs that has to do with this.

on the mklinux side I've heard that there's a #define that's incorrect
for the mklinux platform, that has to do with this upper bit twiddling. 
While I don't expect you guys to tell me how to fix it, I was hoping you
could tell me what to fix.  Or at least where to look for this suspect
#define.

As always feel free to point out that I'm completely off base too. 
That's always a possiblity :D

I appreciate any help you might supply.
Email responses welcome!
MDJ


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Hmmm.  I thought I had it, but I can't quite get this to work. I need
to set the base lpr-switches to be '("-Gr2"), but don't seem to be
able to do so.  I've tried setq-default, but to no avail. 

I also get dual entries for each filename, as though the
change-major-mode-hook is getting executed twice.

  lpr-switches's value is ("-i.kshrc" "-i.kshrc" . "")

Could func-menu or font-lock be the root of this?  

Now that I look further, it appears that once set, the value of
lpr-switches merely has the new buffer names prepended to it.  It
doesn't look like I have a truly buffer-local variable.

When I explicitly change the mode (ie. M-x c++-mode), it prepends the
buffer-name yet again. Ugh. I'm confused.

Here is my setup:

(setq lpr-command "nenscript")
(setq lpr-switches '("-Gr2"))
(make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
(put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)
(add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
(defun my-set-lpr-switches()
  "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
  (when buffer-file-name
    (setq lpr-switches (cons 
			(concat "-i" (buffer-name))
			lpr-switches ))))

Any ideas?

Thanx,

Curtis
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Hello,
I just upgraded w3 beta from 3.0.12 to 3.0.22 and I no longer get any
images displayed. Only test is displayed, and images do not download
at all. The tag [IMAGE] is displayed in the image location.
If there is reference to this in the doc's, I could not find it.
I have tried selecting Autoload Inline images off and on, with no
improvement.

Thanks
David Ritter
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|Wed 25.9.96, jthompso@netcom.com (Jim Thompson) comp.emacs
| 
| Does anybody know of a package for Emacs or XEmacs that will autohide
| (bury or delete) idle buffers, perhaps as an extention of the autosave
| feature?  The idea would be to use the feature in conjunction with
| crypt to ensure that encrypted buffers don't hang around in an Emacs
| session longer than they're needed, for example if the user gets
| called away and doesn't have a chance to delete the buffers.

Hmmm, What if you used one of packages which loacks emacs completely?
You could make it autolock emacs after certaind period of idle time.

Then nobody would have access to your emacs but you after you get back
and unlock the emacs.

In gact I think I'm goig to add that auto-lock feature immediately,
mail me back withing 6 hours and I can give you next version
that has this feature ( tinylock.el woks in both the XE and Emacs)

Cheers!
/jari
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Purtill <purtill@auto149.tamuk.edu> writes:

Mark> Under Linux (kernel 2.0.0): run (warn "oink") (via Meta-ESC); go into
Mark> the *Warnings* buffer and kill it with "kill-buffer" (via ^X^K).  Then
Mark> run (warn "oink") again and what XEmacs (19.13) crash with a
Mark> Segmentation Fault.

(M-: and C-x k).

The problem you describe has been fixed in 19.14.
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>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Forman <gsez020@nemo.bedford.waii.com> writes:
>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> I posted about this recently but got no reply.  In XEmacs
Dan> 19.13, gnuclient used to de-iconify the window if necessary
Dan> and pop it to the front of the workspace (presumably with
Dan> make-frame-visible).  I came to rely on this behavior, but it
Dan> seems 19.14 doesn't behave this way any more.

Dan> Anyone know why?  Can anyone at least verify my observation?
Dan> Is mocking up my own gnuclient with gnudoit the only way to
Dan> get the old behavior?

Pete> I have noticed a similar problem with VM.  Typically my mail
Pete> will be in one frame and work in another.  When I read new mail
Pete> by clicking on the toolbar, the VM frame is not raised to the
Pete> front as it was in XEmacs 19.13.  Interestingly Gnus does not
Pete> have this problem, so you might like to look in its code to see
Pete> how gnusdoit ;-)

There are known problems with how 19.14 handles various kinds of
frames/X11 Window Manager-related interactions.  These are being
addressed by the XEmacs developers.

If Gnus works `correctly' (I think it does) it is because it is not
trying to do anything tricky.  I think there's an important lesson
there.
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>>>>> "Antonio" == Antonio M Corbi Bellot <acorbi@dlsi.ua.es> writes:

Antonio> Hi:

Antonio> 1) Recently I compiled xemacs 19.14 on my linux box (2.0.x)
Antonio> with gcc 2.7.2 without any problem. The resulting xemacs in
Antonio> the 'src' of the distribution worked fine under X and under a
Antonio> tty, specially de 'info' command. Then I did a 'make
Antonio> install', it installed OK, and keeps working OK, except for
Antonio> the 'info' command. When I try to execute it within a
Antonio> 'installed xemacs' session (tty or X) I get the message:

Antonio> "Symbol's value as variable is void: installation-directory"

Antonio> Does any one know why this happens and whats the sollution?

This is a most serious error message, and indicates that you didn't
get XEmacs installed correctly.

Antonio> One more thing, during a bit of time I had co-existing the
Antonio> two 'variants' of xemacs 19.14 (the installed one and the one
Antonio> in the subdirectory 'src' of the distribution), as you
Antonio> expect, in the installed didn't work the info command, but in
Antonio> the other it worked allright.

installation-directory is used by GNU Emacs info.el and not XEmacs
info.el (installation-directory is not used by XEmacs).  Check for bad

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Dan Harkless wrote:
> 
>         Where does one get func-menu?  I thought it came standard, but
> apparently it does not...

Should be in lisp/packages

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Dan Harkless wrote:
> 
>         I posted about this recently but got no reply.  In XEmacs 19.13,
> gnuclient used to de-iconify the window if necessary and pop it to the front
> of the workspace (presumably with make-frame-visible).  I came to rely on this
> behavior, but it seems 19.14 doesn't behave this way any more.
> 
>         Anyone know why?  Can anyone at least verify my observation?  Is
> mocking up my own gnuclient with gnudoit the only way to get the old behavior?

Hm, works for me in 19.14?!

DEC ALPHA OSF1/3.2, precompilied binaries

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Subject: Re: Changing names of buffers in menu?
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Hans-Erik Floryd wrote:
> The question is, is it possible to change the names that appear in the
> buffer menu to reflect what is actually in the files (I can easily
> write a regexp to get a better description for the file), rather than
> just the filename?

You can play around with

format-buffers-menu-line

See docs for details. I changed it to show the path as well, but only if
different from the home-directory:

(defvar my-home-directory nil)

(defun my-set-home-directory ()
  (setq-default my-home-directory (expand-file-name "~")))
(my-set-home-directory)

(defun my-format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
  (if (string-match "\\` " (buffer-name buffer))
      nil
    (let ((buf-readonly 
	   (if (symbol-value-in-buffer 'buffer-read-only buffer) "%" " "))
	  (buf-modified 
	   (if (buffer-modified-p buffer) "*" " "))
	  (buf-name (or (buffer-file-name buffer)
			(buffer-name buffer))))
      (progn
	(setq buf-name 
	      (replace-in-string buf-name my-home-directory "~" t))
	(format "%s %s %s"
		buf-readonly
		buf-modified
		buf-name)))))

(defun format-buffers-menu-line (buffer)
  "Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this."
        (my-format-buffers-menu-line buffer))

HTH,
Thomas

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Subject: Xemacs-19.14: attempt to add non-widget child "dsm"...
Date: 27 Sep 1996 16:43:00 GMT
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After compiling Xemacs-19.14 on HPUX A.09.03 A 9000/712 and trying to do a
testrun I get:

  Error: attempt to add non-widget child "dsm" to parent "xemacs" which 
  supports only widgets

before Xemacs halts. Anyone seen this???

./configure --cflags=-O3 --dynamic=yes --with-xpm=yes --with-xface=yes
--with-jpeg=yes --with-png=yes

Thanks,

Michael

P.S.: pls. "cc:" to my address



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Hi,

I set the "user-full-name" variable in my .emacs file but,
when I send mail to people, from my Linux 2.0.x box, using
VM under XEMACS-19.14, they still see me as "root".  Am
I forgetting to set some other variable that would let this take
effect?  I'm puzzled because the "user-mail-address" variable seems
to work fine and people who receive mail from me see the return address
as the one that I set this variable to.

Any clues?

Thanks in advance,

Bidemi Temidire

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binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham) writes:

> Hmmm.  I thought I had it, but I can't quite get this to work. I need
> to set the base lpr-switches to be '("-Gr2"), but don't seem to be
> able to do so.  I've tried setq-default, but to no avail. 
> 
> I also get dual entries for each filename, as though the
> change-major-mode-hook is getting executed twice.
> 
>   lpr-switches's value is ("-i.kshrc" "-i.kshrc" . "")
> 
> Could func-menu or font-lock be the root of this?  
> 
> Now that I look further, it appears that once set, the value of
> lpr-switches merely has the new buffer names prepended to it.  It
> doesn't look like I have a truly buffer-local variable.
> 
> When I explicitly change the mode (ie. M-x c++-mode), it prepends the
> buffer-name yet again. Ugh. I'm confused.
> 

Well we might just have to wait till the next version of XEmacs comes out
as some work is being done to make printing much more robust. Also the
ability to pass a function for evaluation might be added. This would
solve our problems.  As I understand it the postcript and the lpr printing
is being attacked.   Both are being synced to FSF emacs (I know wrong name)
and possibly being extended.

I'm looking forward to the next release.  So far each successive release
has been much more robust and much more capable.

My rating (19.10 a dog)
          (19.11 usable I used it quite a bit really.)
          (19.12 no go it had way to many problems.)
          (19.13 Big step forward.  I liked this one a lot.)
          (19.14 Superb I love it.  A few bugs but hey what doesn't have bugs.)
          (19.15 If or when it comes out I think this one will be a star.)

          (20.00 first release could be scary)

Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

> It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for emacs, but not
> a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?

In GNU Emacs, there is shell-script.el which (I think) is the standard mode
for editing all shell scripts (it should figure it out by the "#!..." line at
the beginning of your script).

In XEmacs <=19.14, there is no csh-mode.el delivered with it.  You could find
a couple of csh modes on the Ohio State Elisp Archives (last time I looked)
that basically work with XEmacs (not font-locking).

I understand that shell-script.el will be incorporated into XEmacs 19.15.  You
could also pick up shell-script.el from GNU Emacs and just use it now (I think
it only needs a really minor change to work with XEmacs).

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Hi All-

I have a rather unusual task that I'd like to perform on a very large VM
message folder (it has 265 messages in it now).  I'd like to save each
message to a separate file, so that I end up with a directory containing
265 files in it, each with a different filename which somehow relates to
the content of the corresponding message (ie subj, date, and time
maybe).  This would take me forever to do by hand, and I'm thinking that
it involves enough repetition that it could be programmed or done with a
set of commands with a universal argument of 265 or something similar to
this.  I looked around in the VM info file, checked Hyper Apropos, but
couldn't find anything that looked likely enough.  I thought about a
repeat-complex-command with a vm-save-message-sans-headers, but the
problem remains of how to tell xemacs/vm to use a different filename for
each message that it saves, and still worse, how to relate the filename
to the message contents.

Anyone have suggestions on how I might accomplish this operation?

Thanks very much!


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Hi.

Can anyone tell me why whenever I read a man page within XEmacs using
'M-x man', I get two lines that say:

TIOCGWINSZ failed
: Not a typewriter

at the top?  If the man pages happens to be an X-related one, i.e. the
file name is something like foo.1x, then I get the 'TIOCGWINSZ failed'
message in the minibuffer, and the page refuses to be displayed.

I'm using XEmacs 19.14 with Linux 2.0.12 (Red Hat distribution).

It's kind of annoying having to read man pages in an xterm, where I
can't search, etc.  Does anyone have any ideas?

TIA,
Dave
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> [Various people have commented that autoinsert.el does not work in 19.14].

>> (setq auto-insert-alist 
>> '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
>> ("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
>> ("\\.c$" . "i.c")
>> ("\\.h$" . "i.h")
>> ("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
>> ("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
>> ("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))

> This syntax is wrong.  Try this instead:

> (setq auto-insert-alist 
>       '(("\\.cc\\'" . "i.cc")
> 	("\\.hh\\'" . "i.hh")
> 	("\\.c\\'" . "i.c")
> 	("\\.h\\'" . "i.h")
> 	("\\.delos\\'" . "i.delos")
> 	("\\.icc\\'" . "i.icc")
> 	("[Mm]akefile\\'" . "i.make")))

> In other words, the $ is wrong use \\' instead.  (\' matches the empty
> string at the end of a string).

Does this also apply to auto-mode-alist?  When did this syntax become a
requirement?  The '$' should be parsed as end-of-string and, up until
recently, was used extensively in auto-mode-alist.  There are still packages
that use the '$' syntax (Hyperbole's Koutline to name one).

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binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham) writes:

> Here is my setup:
> 
> (setq lpr-command "nenscript")
> (setq lpr-switches '("-Gr2"))
> (make-local-variable 'lpr-switches)
> (put 'lpr-switches 'permanent-local t)
> (add-hook 'change-major-mode-hook 'my-set-lpr-switches)
> (defun my-set-lpr-switches()
>   "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
>   (when buffer-file-name
>     (setq lpr-switches (cons 
> 			(concat "-i" (buffer-name))
> 			lpr-switches ))))

I find that this solution works just fine on the precompiled binaries
for SGI 5.3, but not in those for the SunOS.

What gives?

Curtis
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From: Robert Estes <estes@lena.ece.ucdavis.edu>
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Hi,

I've compiled (a couple months ago) xemacs 19.14 and now have a cursor (on
tty windows) which bounces back and forth from one character to the next --
i.e, it highlights the current character, then the next character, then the
current character again.  This isn't the desired response, is it?  Is it an
option that I can override?  By the way, I compiled Xemacs under HPUX 9.05.

-- 
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	Ok, I just got Xemacs about 2 weeks ago, after using emacs for
years. It's incredibly cool, but when I try to post, it gives me lip-service
like in the subject line, and makes me jump through hoops to send out a
posting. 
	I've looked through the info files, searched for "shoot" and
"configure" and such, to no avail.

	I've set up my gnus variables like so:

(setq gnus-local-domain "clari.net")
(setq gnus-use-generic-from "clari.net")

	Which works fine in emacs...

	So what's misconfigured? And how do I fix it?

Pat
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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

Thomas> I had the same problem, when switching to XEmacs 19.14. Here is what I 
Thomas> came up with:

Thomas>   ;; XEmacs-19.14 way for doing modeline-things
Thomas>   (setq-default modeline-modified (purecopy '("%1*%1* ")))

The (purecopy) calls are no-op's in a dumped XEmacs and should only be
used by the XEmacs maintainers. Use

(setq-default modeline-modified '("%1*%1* "))

You can conveniently modify the modeline in place by using some of the
functions in the CL package, e.g.:

(nsubst "%P" '(-3 . "%p") 
  (default-value 'modeline-format) :test 'equal)

changes the default modeline percentage indicator.

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Subject: Re: modeline information
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For those keen on squeezing their modeline down to illegibillity, here
are some more ideas:

Use a variable-width font!  The modeline is one place it's a real win.

Here is some sample elisp to replace long modeline strings with
shorter equivalents:

;;; Modeline hacks
(setq-default modeline-modified '("%1+"))
(nsublis '(("   "     . " ") 
	   ("   %[("  . " %[(")
	   (")%]----" . ")%]-"))
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From: Patrick Salsbury <patrick@clari.net>
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Subject: Re: What's with this? <i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>
Date: 27 Sep 1996 17:25:06 -0700
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Testing with variable:

(setq user-mail-address "patrick@clari.net")

	Still seems to be complaining....

-- 
Pat
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In article <m2d8z8es9j.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
> Xianfeng> Anybody can tell me how to print (pretty-print) buffer to
> Xianfeng> postscript file instead of to printer? Thanks!
> 
> Try `M-x ps-spool-buffer-with-faces'.

That's half the answer...  To have output go to a postscript file
instead of directly to the printer, prefix the above command with C-u
and you will be prompted for the filename.

--Rob

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From: Sumit Das <sumit@kural.uncg.edu>
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Hi netters

I am running CDE 1.0.2 on a SUN workstation running Solaris
2.5. I am running XEMACS 19.14 and have set my .emacs file such
that when I click on a URL from either GNUS or mail reader it
opens the URL in the Netscape process that is already running on
my m/c.

I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).

This is true with other applications too. SO I think I am
missing out something in CDE and hence I am posting this to both
the CDE and XEMACS newsgroups.

Thanks

Sumit


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To answer the question in the subject:
Undesirable interaction between two sets of poorly chosen defaults. :-(

>>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick Salsbury <patrick@ambient.clari.net> writes:

Patrick> Ok, I just got Xemacs about 2 weeks ago, after using emacs
Patrick> for years. It's incredibly cool, but when I try to post, it
Patrick> gives me lip-service like in the subject line, and makes me
Patrick> jump through hoops to send out a posting.

Patrick> I've looked through the info files, searched for "shoot" and
Patrick> "configure" and such, to no avail.

Try:
(setq user-mail-address "patrick@ambient.clari.net")
or
(setq mail-host-address "ambient.clari.net")

This information is in both the Gnus FAQ and XEmacs FAQ, which you
might want to check out for further tips:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Subject: Re: Font change, then saving options, doesn't work
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>>>>> "Eelco" == Eelco Essenberg <eelco@mw-testnl1.pureatria.com> writes:

Eelco> I had the same problem with XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4 (also built with 
Eelco> gcc 2.7.2).  For me moving the "(load-options-file ...)" to the top of my 
Eelco> ".emacs" (rather than the end) solved the problem...

There's a good chance this is because there is an error in your .emacs
file.  After xemacs comes up, try 
C-h l
and see if there any error messages that may have aborted the loading
of the .emacs file.



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>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> Hi.  I have a little problem which hopefully some Elisp guru can
Des> help me with:

 ...

Des> So how can I make XEmacs pass "-display :0.1" to "netscape" ?

Put this in your .emacs before you load VM:

(setq browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape)
(setq browse-url-netscape-arguments '("display" ":0.1"))

Please note:  browse-url-netscape-arguments is customized exactly like
lpr-switches, if you were following that discussion.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: TJ Phan <phan@aur.alcatel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Default Java Mode customization (cc-mode)
Date: 27 Sep 1996 09:07:39 -0400
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bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> 
> 
> >>>>> "KS" == Kent Sandvik <sandvik@engr.sgi.com> writes:
> 
>     KS> How is this done the best way? I wasn't sure about the
>     KS> relationship between cc-mode, c/c++ settings and
>     KS> java-mode. Could I switch to one of the default settings
>     KS> somehow (ellemtel or such) and at the same time the Java mode
>     KS> changes?
> 
> There is a separate "java" style that is applied automatically when
> you enter java-mode.  The best thing to do is to probably just
> override the couple of default settings of that style in your
> java-mode-hook, by using c-set-offset.
> 
> -Barry

I'm using cc-mode version 4.282 and my java-mode-hook is set as follows:
(add-hook 'java-mode-hook '(lambda ()
			     (setq c-basic-offset 3
				   c-echo-syntactic-information-p t
				   inclass c-basic-offset)))

For some reason, right after loading a .java file, c-basic-offset = 2,
c-echo-syntactic-information-p = nil and inclass = 0. If I then run
java-mode-hook again, then the values are as desired. It seems that something
in cc-mode.el reset those values after java-mode-hook is run. Any idea?

TJ

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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>>>>> "David" == David Guertin <guertin@caddis.middlebury.edu> writes:

David> Hi.
David> Can anyone tell me why whenever I read a man page within XEmacs using
David> 'M-x man', I get two lines that say:

David> TIOCGWINSZ failed
David> : Not a typewriter

You probably have a call to `tset' or `stty' or some other tty-mangler
in your dot files.  Maybe you get the same message if you do
rsh `uname -n` echo hi

Anyways, the answer is likely in your dot files.

Another question is why XEmacs isn't using a pty to run commands.  No
answers from me...

Martin

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Xemacsa-19.14:autoinsert doesn't work
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[There appears to be a bug somewhere, so I am revisiting portions of
this thread.  As another aside, autoinsert has been fixed for 19.15 so
it can be loaded with `(require 'autoinsert)'].

>>>>> "Sobhan" == Sobhan Padamati <spadamat@fore.com> writes:

Sobhan> ;; C and other programming languages Configuration
Sobhan> (setq auto-insert-directory "/usr/local/autoinsert/")
Sobhan> (setq auto-insert-alist '(("\\.c$" . "c.ai")
Sobhan>                           ("\\.h$" . "h.ai")))
Sobhan> (load "autoinsert")
Sobhan> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

Sobhan> Put this in .emacs and it should work.

This should not make any difference.  These variables are defined in
autoinsert.el with defvar:
> (defvar auto-insert-alist
> (defvar auto-insert-directory

defvar: a built-in function.
(defvar SYMBOL INITVALUE DOCSTRING): define SYMBOL as a variable.
You are not required to define a variable in order to use it,
 but the definition can supply documentation and an initial value
 in a way that tags can recognize.

INITVALUE is evaluated, and used to set SYMBOL, only if SYMBOL's value is
^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^  ^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^  ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^
 void. (However, when you evaluate a defvar interactively, it acts like a
 ^^^^
 defconst: SYMBOL's value is always set regardless of whether it's currently
 void.)
If SYMBOL is buffer-local, its default value is what is set;
 buffer-local values are not affected.
INITVALUE and DOCSTRING are optional.
If DOCSTRING starts with *, this variable is identified as a user option.
 This means that M-x set-variable and M-x edit-options recognize it.
If INITVALUE is missing, SYMBOL's value is not set.

In lisp-interaction-mode defvar is treated as defconst.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Xemacsa-19.14:autoinsert doesn't work
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[Emailed and posted]

>>>>> "Goran" == Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:

Goran> Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within
Goran> xemacs-19.13 it works fine.

Goran> Any hints or ideas are highly appreciated.

Goran> (load-library "autoinsert")
Goran> (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
Goran> (setq auto-insert-alist 
Goran>       '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
Goran>         ("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
Goran> 	       ("\\.c$" . "i.c")
Goran> 	       ("\\.h$" . "i.h")
Goran> 	       ("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
Goran> 	       ("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
Goran> 	       ("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^

Did changing the $ to \\' work for you?  Also, what platform and OS
are you running with, and what compiler and compiler options did you
use to build XEmacs?

BTW the [Mm]akefile line is imprecise.  You should also include a
termination test with \\' or $ there as well, otherwise you will get
a false match from a filename like `/usr/src/MakefileMaker-2.3/main.c'.
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>>>>> "Srinivas" == Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:

Srinivas> Similar problem here.

It cannot be the same problem, I believe.

Srinivas> Adding Sobhan Padamati's solution to
Srinivas> ~/.emacs doesn't seem to work too.

It doesn't do anything, as I explained in another post.

Srinivas> I currently have:
Srinivas> (setq auto-insert-directory 
Srinivas>   ...)
Srinivas> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)

Srinivas> Do I need to have template files with specific names in
Srinivas> auto-insert-directory ?  If so, what should they be named.

By default autoinsert does not necessarily use template files (only
for TeX files (default == "tex-insert.tex", Makefiles (default ==
"makefile.inc"), and Ada source (whatever ada-header is defined to be).

Srinivas> I have not modified auto-insert-alist from the default value.

What doesn't work about autoinsert then?
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[Thanks, David for your comments].

>>>>> "David" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
sb> [Various people have commented that autoinsert.el does not work in 19.14].

sb> In other words, the $ is wrong use \\' instead.  (\' matches the empty
sb> string at the end of a string).

David> Does this also apply to auto-mode-alist?

Yes.

David> When did this syntax become a requirement?

(Since 1990?)

The tests I performed showed that both $ and \\' can work in XEmacs
19.14 (and 19.15) and GNU Emacs 19.34.  Use of the $ will definitely
produce wrong results with strange, but legal filenames like
`/usr/src/MakefileLFstuffs/fred.c'.  (Substitute the linefeed
character for `LF').  This is a legal Unix filename, but

(setq file-name "/usr/src/Makefile\nstuffs/fred.c")
(string-match "[Mm]akefile$" file-name)
produces a false positive match, while
(string-match "[Mm]akefile\\'" file-name)
does not.

David> The '$' should be parsed as end-of-string

This is not quite correct.  It is parsed as end-of-string, *or* up to
a newline (see the lispref).

David> and, up until recently, was used extensively in
David> auto-mode-alist.  There are still packages that use the '$'
David> syntax (Hyperbole's Koutline to name one).

They will be fixed for 19.15.
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:

Mark> I'm looking forward to the next release.  So far each successive
Mark> release has been much more robust and much more capable.
 ...
Mark>           (20.00 first release could be scary)

Without MULE (MULti-langual extensions to Emacs) it will look and act
the same as XEmacs v19.  With MULE support compiled in, it will look
something like:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/mule1.gif
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/mule2.gif
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>>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis N Bingham <binge@lucent.com> writes:

Curtis> I appear to be getting some slightly different results here.
Curtis> I find that the buffer-file-name variable is the full path,
Curtis> which is too much for me.

Then use instead
(file-name-nondirectory buffer-file-name)

Curtis> In the code provide by Steve Baur, it appears that there was
Curtis> an error in the use of 'buffer-name--it should be something
Curtis> like this: (concat "-H" (buffer-name)).

If true, I apologize for the typo, but I can't find the reference
you're referring to in any of my archived sent messages.

Curtis> I also find the function below constantly adds the buffer name
Curtis> to the lpr-switches.  I don't seem to be getting a true
Curtis> buffer-local variable.

>> (defun my-set-lpr-switches()
>> "Set lpr-switches based on the buffer being visited."
>> (when buffer-file-name
>> (setq lpr-switches (cons (concat "-H" buffer-file-name) lpr-switches))))

O.K.  Scratch entirely that method.

The approach of making lpr-switches dynamic (ie. via a mechanism
similar to the defadvice posting) seems to work the best for the most
people.  I'll be posting an update to lpr.el with it shortly[1].

Curtis> Can someone describe why lpr-switches aren't made to be buffer-local?

Buffer local variables always tend to be more difficult to understand
than global variables.  ``I changed the value, why isn't it reflected
in `...' buffer as well?''  I've always thought the same about the
compile-command variable.

[1]
I am one of those who lost face when printing failed in 19.14.  For
19.15 it *will* be perfect.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick Salsbury <patrick@clari.net> writes:

Patrick> Testing with variable:
Patrick> (setq user-mail-address "patrick@clari.net")

Patrick> 	Still seems to be complaining....

Don't be gentle, I use:

(setq message-from-style 'angles)
(setq user-mail-address "steve@miranova.com")
(setq mail-host-address "miranova.com")

I also use the DM macro in /etc/sendmail.cf to correct the
braindamaged and bogus Sender: line Gnus mistakenly attempts to
send out.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Ford <ksford@nps.navy.mil> writes:

Kevin> I have a rather unusual task that I'd like to perform on a very
Kevin> large VM message folder

Forget VM, emacs, etc.  Grab the procmail distribution from:
	ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/

and read about formail(1), which can be used with a full installation
of procmail.  Since procmail can work with VM, you might consider
putting it to use as well ...
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "David" == David Guertin <guertin@caddis.middlebury.edu> writes:

David> Hi.
David> Can anyone tell me why whenever I read a man page within XEmacs using
David> 'M-x man', I get two lines that say:

David> TIOCGWINSZ failed
David> : Not a typewriter

David> at the top?

Man.el in 19.14 is suffering from a lot of braindamage.  One current
workaround is to copy man.el from GNU Emacs 19.34[1] to somewhere in
your load-path and use it instead.  It works a lot better on Linux.

[1]
In the general case, don't attempt copying lisp .el files with the
same name from GNU Emacs.  In this case, it has already been tested
and verified.
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Hi,
  Does anyone please tell me the way to use "unexec" in emacs?
Regards,
Pisut T.


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From: Brian Masinick <masinick@zk3.dec.com>
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Sumit Das wrote:
> 
> I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
> another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
> Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
> now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
> with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
> in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
> that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
> XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).

   You're definitely not alone in seeing this behavior.  I'm pretty sure
that this is the expected behavior.  Unfortunately, I do not have a good
answer on how to get around it.  I tend to run into this more with exmh
(an excellent TCL/Tk-based mailer).  When I click on a URL, it will fire
up netscape in the same workspace.  Being an "anal-retentive" ;-) and
wanting to keep everything in it's place, I simply click on the URL and
switch to the Netscape workspace promptly.  If I'm not fast enough, I
just click the left window button and select "Occupy Workspace", then
select just the one I want, not the "extra" one.

   By the way, if you *want* an application to show up in more than one
workspace, this is documented in the Online Help - Hold down the Shift
key as you slide down each of the names of the workspaces you want to
display in - then of course, "Occupy All Workspaces" is also an option. 
But to get an application to "stay put" in it's original workspace only
does not seem to be the way it works, and I've not yet located any
documentation on this subject.

   Anyone care to offer a better workaround that my "retentive" one? ;-)

   Thanks,

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From: mstamps@HiWAAY.net (Michael Stamps)
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I'm trying to reconfigure the mouse to do the following

left mouse button: Mark Text as ususal (drag , single click, double
click , triple click) but also immediatly place marked text int he
kill buffer for later yanking.

middle mouse button: Yank marked text including text marked 
outside of EMACS (standard X Windows selectected text0


right mouse button : Cut


I've gotten the right button to work properly (I think) . The middle
does a yank of previously killed text in EMACS but not of text marked
outside of EMACS. The left button does the marks as ususaly (probably
because I haven't changed it at all yet)  but I'd like it to also put
the marked text in the cut buffer.

I had the mouse working this way under reg GNU EMACS 19.30 and I much
prefer it to the current settings.

If anyone could point me to a FAQ with this information or a solution
I would be most gratefull


Michael Stamps 
mstamps@hiwaay.net


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Brian Masinick <masinick@zk3.dec.com> writes:

> 
> Sumit Das wrote:
> > 
> > I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
> > another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
> > Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
> > now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
> > with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
> > in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
> > that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
> > XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).
> 
>    Anyone care to offer a better workaround that my "retentive" one? ;-)
> 

URLs are sent to Netscape via the "remote" interface, i.e. executing
netscape like
netscape -remote openURL(http://www.netscape.com/newsref/std/x-remote.html)
(see http://www.netscape.com/newsref/std/x-remote.html)

You can keep Netscape from raising (and thus appearing on the current
workspace) by giving the additional option "-noraise".

Unfortunately, XEmacs does not offer a "clean" way to set this
option. A "dirty" solution might be simply hacking the file
"browse-url.el" to always send the option "-noraise". Any better way
to achieve this? (setting browse-url-netscape-arguments did not work
for me)

Jens

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From: William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com>
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Subject: Re: Image problem with w3 beta
Date: 28 Sep 1996 09:47:55 -0700
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David Ritter <dritter@mich.com> writes:

> I just upgraded w3 beta from 3.0.12 to 3.0.22 and I no longer get any
> images displayed. Only test is displayed, and images do not download at
> all. The tag [IMAGE] is displayed in the image location.  If there is
> reference to this in the doc's, I could not find it.  I have tried
> selecting Autoload Inline images off and on, with no improvement.

  The latest emacs-w3 beta is undergoing _MAJOR_ changes.  Inlined images
haven't been reimplemented yet.  But tables (and nested tables) have.  I
think its a good tradeoff for now. :)

-Bill P.

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When I exit VM either with 'q' or with the Quit-Button, the frame will
not be redrawn correctly. If the VM-Frame is the only Frame, the
buttons stay on the screen, and clicking on Quit again produces the a
message that you can only quit VM form within a VM-buffer. If there
are more than one Xemacs-frame, VM exits correctly. How can I stop
this behavoir?

PS.: A Workaround is, to open a new frame and then killing the
(Ex)VM-Frame. 

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From: "Kermit Tensmeyer" <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Gotcha, emacs and perl-mode
Date: 28 Sep 1996 18:12:33 GMT
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I was trying to modify a file using "the one real editor" emacs. Perl-mode
(and 
cperl-mode both) exhibited strange behavior that once idenfified is bizzare
but
understandable.

 the auto-indent function (mostly tied to the tab key) and called by the
auto-insert functions
would mess up the functions in the file

for example
else {
	$fname =~s#/$DirectoryIndex$#/#; # Remove trailing index name
}
   if ($Sflag){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$Sflag#); }
   if ($NotArchive){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$NotArchive#); }

the problem (once identified) resolved by changing the {match character in
 the pattern} from '#' to '&'

 if ($Sflag){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m&$Sflag&); }

 the emacs parser and syntax checker stops parsing at the '#' because
everything
 after the '#' is a comment!   nicht wahr?

  Unless someone want to rewrite the perl-mode.el code to be more context
sensitive,
 be aware that using the comment character as the pattern match character,
may
 lead to frustrating editing under emacs.

 (oh you didn't know that emacs can auto format the perl file by syntax? Or
that
 you can run the debugger on perl source as well?  silly me, I thought
everyone
 had been converted to the one-true-religion.  ;-) )

-- 
Kermit Tensmeyer       NEC InterNet Operations Centre (INOC)
kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com              Dallas, Texas

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William Perry <wmperry@aventail.com> writes:


>   The latest emacs-w3 beta is undergoing _MAJOR_ changes.  Inlined images
> haven't been reimplemented yet.  But tables (and nested tables) have.  I
> think its a good tradeoff for now. :)

Thanks for the update, I'll look forward to your continued
improvement. I thought I was missing something :-]

David Ritter

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Subject: Re: Gotcha, emacs and perl-mode
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Kermit Tensmeyer (kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com) wrote:
: I was trying to modify a file using "the one real editor" emacs. Perl-mode
: (and 
: cperl-mode both) exhibited strange behavior that once idenfified is bizzare
: but
: understandable.
: 

If it is anything like the line-wrapping capability of your newsreader,
the problem is understandable.  Makes it hard to read, eh?  Well I will
stop here then.

Regards,
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: C-u C-q in c-mode
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I have noticed that C-u C-q (fill-paragraph with justification)
doesn't work in c-mode in XEmacs 19.14. It fails in
justify-current-line.

I have investigated a bit, and found that justify-current-line
contains
(if (and adaptive-fill-mode
         (looking-at adaptive-fill-regexp))
    (goto-char (match-end 0)))

Even with xemacs -q, I find that adaptive-fill-mode is t. The strange
thing is that adaptive-fill-regexp is nil, which is why looking-at
signals an error.

I do not understand enough elisp to tell why doesn't the line 67 of
prim/fill.el, which is (verbatim):
(defvar adaptive-fill-regexp (purecopy "[ \t]*\\([#;>*]+ +\\)?")
assign the value to adaptive-fill-regexp?

-- 
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* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.
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I have noticed that C-u M-q (fill-paragraph with justification)
doesn't work in c-mode in XEmacs 19.14. It fails in
justify-current-line.

I have investigated a bit, and found that justify-current-line
contains
(if (and adaptive-fill-mode
         (looking-at adaptive-fill-regexp))
    (goto-char (match-end 0)))

Even with xemacs -q, I find that adaptive-fill-mode is t. The strange
thing is that adaptive-fill-regexp is nil, which is why looking-at
signals an error.

I do not understand enough elisp to tell why doesn't the line 67 of
prim/fill.el, which is (verbatim):
(defvar adaptive-fill-regexp (purecopy "[ \t]*\\([#;>*]+ +\\)?")
assign the value to adaptive-fill-regexp?

-- 
hniksic@srce.hr              |  Student of electrical engineering
hniksic@fly.cc.fer.hr        |  University of Zagreb, Croatia
------------------------------------------------------------------
* Q: What is an experienced Emacs user?
* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.
-- 
hniksic@srce.hr              |  Student of electrical engineering
hniksic@fly.cc.fer.hr        |  University of Zagreb, Croatia
------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> Hans-Erik Floryd writes:

  HEF> I use (x)emacs for editing VHDL-files. My problem is that the
  HEF> files I edit are usually all called vhdl.vhd (but in different
  HEF> directories, of course). As a result, I tend to have
  HEF> vhdl.vhd<1> to vhdl.vhd<xx> in the buffers menu, making it
  HEF> pretty difficult to find the file I want.

Try uniquify.el; comes with Emacs 19.30 and higher.  It uses buffer
names "vhdl.vhd|foo" and "vhdl.vhd|bar" for the "foo/vhdl.vhd" and
"bar/vhdl.vhd" files.

kai
-- 
Life is hard and then you die.

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From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)
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Subject: Re: Gotcha, emacs and perl-mode
Date: 28 Sep 1996 17:50:54 -0400
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[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Kermit Tensmeyer <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com>.]

In article <01bbad68$8307ef80$5f18658f@deacon-blue>,
Kermit Tensmeyer <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com> wrote:
> I was trying to modify a file using "the one real editor" emacs. Perl-mode
> (and 
> cperl-mode both) exhibited strange behavior that once idenfified is bizzare
> but
> understandable.
> 
>  the auto-indent function (mostly tied to the tab key) and called by the
> auto-insert functions
> would mess up the functions in the file
> 
> for example
> else {
> 	$fname =~s#/$DirectoryIndex$#/#; # Remove trailing index name
> }
>    if ($Sflag){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$Sflag#); }
>    if ($NotArchive){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$NotArchive#); }

CPerl has "almost no problems" with s###. Unless you do some silly
things like the above one - with extra parentheses. Read Non-problems
section in minidocs (from menu).

Ilya

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: C-u M-q in c-mode
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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrvoje> I have noticed that C-u M-q (fill-paragraph with justification)
Hrvoje> doesn't work in c-mode in XEmacs 19.14. It fails in
Hrvoje> justify-current-line.

 [Excellent bug report removed]

There is an identical problem with Emacs 19.34.  Fixed in XEmacs
19.15.
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From: Rick and/or Sara Baartman <trab@triumf.ca>
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Subject: define-key
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I was trying to do something simple and failed. I bound revert-buffer to 
a key, but then I always had to type in yes for confirmation. I don't 
want a confirmation, so I tried to attach the options to the define key 
command. I tried ',",(,[, nothing worked. What is the syntax?

Thanx.

--
rick

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
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Subject: Re: Dired 'invert selection' - toggle marked <=> unmarked
Date: 29 Sep 1996 01:34:16 -0500
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Very useful.  Noticed this behavior: Toggling, also marks the . and
.. entries.  Would it be better to leave them unmarked.

Wish I could modify the function to do that, but presently my elisp skills
are nada.

Thanks for the function.

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> >>>>>   <moan@evolution.bmc.uu.se> writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> > Has anyone come up with a solution to this - that is, make all marked
> > files unmarked and vice versa in a single keystroke?
> 
> Tested only against XEmacs, execute when visiting a dired buffer.
> 
> (defun dired-toggle-mark (&optional arg)
>   (interactive "P")
>   (let (ichar buffer-read-only)
>     (save-excursion
>       (goto-char (point-min))
>       (forward-line 2)
>       (while (not (eobp))
> 	(setq ichar (if (looking-at " ") dired-marker-char ?\  ))
> 	(delete-char 1)
> 	(insert ichar)
> 	(forward-line 1)))))

-- 

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Dear All,

I have some problems with Gnus in converting to XEmacs.

1. Every time I post (or followup) to a newsgroup, I get a bounce
from the Mailer saying "Returned mail: no recipient address found
in header" .. apparently a To: field is being added to the mail
while it is being sent. 

2. From the *Groups* buffer, J lets you select the target
group. However in Emacs (and Gnus 5.1), this allowed a completion
facility that would check all newsgroups on the server for
choices. Now with Gnus 5.2/XEmacs 19.14,  the Group-name
completion only checks newsgroups that I've ever read. 

Any help resolving these will be much appreciated !!

-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick and/or Sara Baartman <trab@triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> I was trying to do something simple and failed. I bound revert-buffer to 
Rick> a key, but then I always had to type in yes for confirmation. I don't 
Rick> want a confirmation, so I tried to attach the options to the define key 
Rick> command. I tried ',",(,[, nothing worked. What is the syntax?

Rick> Thanx.

Keeping in mind this is an extraordinarily dangerous thing to do,
bind this function to a key instead.

(defun revert-buffer-unconditionally (&optional arg)
  "Revert current buffer without prompting.
This is an extremely dangerous thing to do."
  (interactive)
  (revert-buffer t t))


Another method would be something like:

(global-set-key "\C-cR"
	        '(lambda ()
		   "Revert current buffer without prompting.
This is an extremely dangerous thing to do."
                   (interactive)
	           (revert-buffer t t)))


Instructions about this kind of keybinding are in the XEmacs FAQ.
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>>>>> "Srinivas" == Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:

Srinivas> Very useful.  Noticed this behavior: Toggling, also marks
Srinivas> the . and .. entries.  Would it be better to leave them
Srinivas> unmarked.

Srinivas> Wish I could modify the function to do that, but presently
Srinivas> my elisp skills are nada.

Srinivas> Thanks for the function.

You're welcome.

sb> (forward-line 2)

Change that to (forward-line 4) to avoid marking `.' and `..'.
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[Cleaning out the feature request list]

>>>>> "William" == William S Hayes <william@amber.biology.gatech.edu> writes:

William> It doesn't automatically load when I enter a perl program.  It
William> does font-lock it and CPerl shows in the modeline at the bottom.
William> I also have cperl-hairy set to t (true).

William> I can get the menu loaded when I M-x load-file ~/.emacs

William> I am running Emacs 19.14 on a Solaris 2.4 using a Sparc 5.

William> Thanks for any assistance.

cperl mode does not put up its menu by default.  For now you should
add

(add-hook 'cperl-mode-hook
	  '(lambda () (easy-menu-add cperl-menu)))

to your .emacs.  It will put the menu up by default (if menubars were
compiled into your XEmacs) in 19.15.

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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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[Cleaning out old feature request list]

>>>>> "Liam" == Liam Healy <Liam.Healy@nrl.navy.mil> writes:

> jsamuels@hoffa.openport.com (Jordan A. Samuels) writes:

Jordan> I am using XEmacs-19.14 (on SunOS 5.5 Generic sun4u sparc
Jordan> SUNW,Ultra-1), and although I have the options set to maximum
Jordan> fontification (with colors), I can't get outline mode to
Jordan> colorize.

Liam> Now why did they remove *-font-lock-keywords for outline and dired
Liam> modes?  

I don't know, but XEmacs 19.15 will work the same way as GNU Emacs
19.34 does.  I like color, and have cleaned up a few other previously
colorless modes as well (like *Apropos*).
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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[Cleaning out old bug reports]

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Anderson [Contractor] <Steven> writes:

Steven> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.3) of Fri Jun 28 1996 on lisp
Steven> When I enlarge the Finder window to the entire frame, pressing q
Steven> doesn't just kill the Finder, it kills the Finder and the entire
Steven> frame.

I cannot duplicate your problem, however, finder.el does not work very
well in 19.14.  It has been fixed for 19.15.
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Robert Estes (estes@lena.ece.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
> I've compiled (a couple months ago) xemacs 19.14 and now have a cursor (on
> tty windows) which bounces back and forth from one character to the next --
> i.e, it highlights the current character, then the next character, then the
> current character again.  This isn't the desired response, is it?  Is it an
> option that I can override?  By the way, I compiled Xemacs under HPUX 9.05.

I have noticed that too, on Solaris 2.5. I think it is a "normal"
behaviour, until the tty optimizations are implemented. Anyone?

-- 
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Where is xemacs to load.

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 Where is the xemacs source


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From: Thomas Sicheritz <thomas@evolution.bmc.uu.se>
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Hej,

I want to set the color of the http links in w3
to blue ...
But I always end up with the color goldenrod ...
mostly unreadable :-(

How should I change that ?
I tried in my .Xdefaults:

Emacs.w3-node-style.attributeForeground:                blue
Emacs.w3-visited-node-style.attributeForeground:        purple
- still goldenrod ...

I checked edit-faces, no entry with goldenrod
I checked the LISP dir, no files ...

! HELP !!! I want to use w3 ...

thx
-thomas


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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick Salsbury <patrick@clari.net> writes:
> 
> Patrick> Testing with variable:
> Patrick> (setq user-mail-address "patrick@clari.net")
> 
> Patrick> 	Still seems to be complaining....
> 
> Don't be gentle, I use:
> 
> (setq message-from-style 'angles)
> (setq user-mail-address "steve@miranova.com")
> (setq mail-host-address "miranova.com")
> 
> I also use the DM macro in /etc/sendmail.cf to correct the
> braindamaged and bogus Sender: line Gnus mistakenly attempts to
> send out.

That's cheating. BTW, having had it thick to fight every Emacs
installation until I no longer got goofy From addresses (why the heck
does emacs think it is smarter than the sendmail configurator?), I
have finally find out that
(setq message-from-style "")
(or something like that, am not on the machine in question) did do the
trick.

-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
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From: Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

 Hrvoje> I have noticed that too, on Solaris 2.5. I think it is a
 Hrvoje> "normal" behaviour, until the tty optimizations are
 Hrvoje> implemented. Anyone?

It is 'blink-cursor-mode' and can be toggled by that command.

-- 
Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>                             

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Subject: 19.14 dumps core in vm FreeBSD2.1 RELEASE

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i386-unknown-freebsd2.1) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on susan.logware.de

Hello,

Not sure exactly what information to send you, but here is 'where'
output.

What I use:  vm, tm7.85 .

No particular way to duplicate it unfortunately.

Cordially

--Patrick

Below is the gdb output.
Script started on Fri Sep 27 00:04:37 1996
$ gdb xemacs xemacs-19.14.core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.13 (i386-unknown-freebsd), 
Copyright 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)...
Core was generated by `xemacs-19.14'.
Program terminated with signal 6, Abort trap.
Cannot access memory at address 0x202ce014.
#0  0x8374ee5 in end ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x8374ee5 in end ()
#1  0x2b946 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  0xefbfe13c in end ()
#3  0x2d07e in assert_failed ()
#4  0xb7195 in start_interrupts ()
#5  0xb6b51 in speed_up_interrupts ()
#6  0x270b8 in Fuser_full_name ()
#7  0x31f45 in primitive_funcall ()
#8  0x32158 in funcall_subr ()
#9  0x3177d in funcall_recording_as ()
#10 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
#11 0x10216 in Fbyte_code ()
#12 0x32628 in funcall_lambda ()
#13 0x3181e in funcall_recording_as ()
#14 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
#15 0x10216 in Fbyte_code ()
#16 0x32628 in funcall_lambda ()
#17 0x3181e in funcall_recording_as ()
#18 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
#19 0x10216 in Fbyte_code ()
#20 0x32628 in funcall_lambda ()
#21 0x3181e in funcall_recording_as ()
#22 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit--- 
#23 0x10216 in Fbyte_code ()
#24 0x32628 in funcall_lambda ()
#25 0x3181e in funcall_recording_as ()
#26 0x31933 in Ffuncall ()
#27 0x12f37 in Fcall_interactively ()
#28 0x30609 in Fcommand_execute ()
#29 0x3ee42 in execute_command_event ()
#30 0x3f6ce in Fdispatch_event ()
#31 0x15dbb in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#32 0x15c3b in command_loop_1 ()
#33 0x2ed96 in condition_case_1 ()
#34 0x160e0 in command_loop_2 ()
#35 0x2eb59 in internal_catch ()
#36 0x15a1c in initial_command_loop ()
#37 0x2c44f in main_1 ()
#38 0x2c826 in main ()
(gdb) quit
$ exit

Script done on Fri Sep 27 00:05:10 1996

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Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote in article
<52k6ju$3iq@monk.mps.ohio-state.edu>...
| [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
| Kermit Tensmeyer <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com>.]
| 
| In article <01bbad68$8307ef80$5f18658f@deacon-blue>,
| Kermit Tensmeyer <kermit@cnad.dl.nec.com> wrote:
| 
| >  the auto-indent function (mostly tied to the tab key) and called by the
| > auto-insert functions would mess up the functions in the file
| > 
| > for example:

| > else {
| > 	$fname =~s#/$DirectoryIndex$#/#; # Remove trailing index name
| > }
| >    if ($Sflag){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$Sflag#); }
| >    if ($NotArchive){ next LINE unless( $fname =~ m#$NotArchive#); }
| 
| CPerl has "almost no problems" with s###. Unless you do some silly
| things like the above one - with extra parentheses. Read Non-problems
| section in minidocs (from menu).

  I did not find it in the mini-docs but found in

            M-x describe-variable cperl-non-problems

 (../lisp/modes/cperl-mode.el)

  It describes other ways to fake out both cperl and perl to 
  allow use of '#' symbol

  the author asks that if one comes up with a fix, to supply him with it. ;-(

  Now of course if it's code that _you_ wrote with emacs _it won't be 
  a problem!_

  but it's just a reminder for the rest of us who use code provided 
by others, that is a gotcha and just be aware of the situation

  (oh and by the way the '#' and '&' as match character sometime 
 cause other 'situations'. Beside the prefered '/', what are the other
 characters that make good sense to use?







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>>>>>"SLB" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>> "CW" == Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de> writes:

 SLB> Chuck Thompson (the primary XEmacs developer) archives this
 SLB> newsgroup and maintains an extensive bug/change request database
 SLB> based on messages posted here.

 CW> I have the impression that some bug reports for XEmacs-19.13 I
 CW> have seen in this newsgroup are still `valid' bug reports for
 CW> XEmacs-19.14...and I have some more...

OK, I would like to see some feedback, then, e.g. by a section in the
NEWS file called
   `Reported bugs which are not fixed in XEmacs-19.xx'
Or can people read Chuck's database?

 SLB> By all means, please post them.

They follow in separate postings.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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We use a software package developed by a vendor using Gnu emacs,
however, we use XEmacs in-house.  I've been able to get around the
couple of compatibility problems that have cropped up.

However, I am getting a new error while trying to load their latest
version.  Some of their .elc's will not load into XEmacs 19.14 (or
19.13).  The *Backtrace* shows the following error comming out of
load-internal:
  
   (error "`version.el' was compiled for Emacs 19.29 or later")

If I compile the .el file under XEmacs, it loads fine.
 o Are .elc files not compatible?
 o Are XEmacs .elc files compatible in FSF emacs?

Does anyone have any insight into this?

Thanks in advance



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Philip Tanner wrote:
> 
>         I'm trying to build xemacs 19.14 on a HP and am having
> problems. I've tried various options to the configure script but nothing
> seems to work.
>         This is the configure command I'm running:
> 
> ./configure  --prefix=/usr/newlocal/install_dir/xemacs-19.14 --x-includes=\
> /usr/newlocal/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/newlocal/X11R6/lib --with-xpm=no\
>  --with-xmu=no --with-sound=no
> 
>         This is the error I get:
> 
>         gcc -g -O      -L/usr/newlocal/X11R6/lib  -Xlinker -a -Xlinker archive
>             -L/usr/lib/X11R5 -L/usr/lib/Motif1.2 -L/opt/audio/lib
>   -L. -L../lwlib         -o temacs  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o buffer.o b
> ytecode.o    callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o cmdloop.o   cmds.o con
> sole.o console-stream.o       data.o database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.
> o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o       editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o
> eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.
> o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o     frame.o         g
> eneral.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o
> hash.o  indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o
> lstream.o       macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o
> objects.o opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o
>  redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o     scrollbar.o  search.o signal.o
> sound.o   specifier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o
>  toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o
>  redisplay-tty.o cm.o      undo.o unexhp9k800.o    console-x.o device-x.o
> dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o
> redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o  xmu.o
>  window.o terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o alloca.o
>  EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o
> EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw         -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11                 -lcurses            -ldbm        -lm
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> /usr/bin/ld: Unsatisfied symbols:
>    XmuConvertStandardSelection (code)
>    _XA_LENGTH (data)
>    XmuRegisterExternalAgent (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToShapeStyle (code)
>    _XEditResCheckMessages (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToCursor (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToJustify (code)
>    XmuReshapeWidget (code)
>    XmuReleaseStippledPixmap (code)
>    _XA_TEXT (data)
>    _XA_LIST_LENGTH (data)
>    _XA_COMPOUND_TEXT (data)
>    XmuNewCvtStringToWidget (code)
>    XmuCompareISOLatin1 (code)
>    _XA_SPAN (data)
>    _XA_DELETE (data)
>    _XA_TARGETS (data)
>    _XA_NULL (data)
>    XmuInternAtom (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToColorCursor (code)
>    XmuCreateStippledPixmap (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToOrientation (code)
>    shl_findsym (code)
>    shl_load (code)
>    XmuCvtStringToBitmap (code)
>    _XA_CHARACTER_POSITION (data)
> *** Error exit code 1
> 
> Stop.
> *** Error exit code 1
> 
>         Has anyone seen this or know what's wrong?
> 
>                                         Phil
> 
>                                         ptanner@sw.stratus.com
You are missing the Xmu  - Library (libXmu.a), which is not part of
HPUX. Try to get obe of an linux-distribution.

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`upcase-word' and similar commands leave characters in the range 160 to
255 unchanged.  E.g., try the key sequence M-u on the following word

	aou

where the characters on positions 1,3,5 are the corresponding umlauts =>
only a, o, and u are changed.

This has been reported various times, here are just the two articles I
have in my folders:


From: Martin Boyer <mboyer@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: case-table with iso8859
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:52:15 GMT
Organization: La division Robotique de l'Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec

>Martin Boyer (mboyer@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca) wrote:
Martin>>upcase-..., downcase, search (case insensitive) doesn't work with
Martin>>iso8859-1 characters.
Martin>
Martin>Ditto for upcase-region and friends.

>I defined my own case table and modified syntax entries for
>[cyrillic] characters:

I forgot to mention that iso8859-1 *is* loaded, but it doesn't seem to
work.


From: wedler@vivaldi.fmi.uni-passau.de (Christoph Wedler)
Subject: Re: ISO Latin-1 character case conversion
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Date: 26 Feb 1996 12:14:48 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Passau
>>>>>"TE" == Torsten Ekedahl <teke@homealone.matematik.su.se> writes:

 TE> In article <MBOYER.96Feb25082700@amadeus.robot.ireq.ca> Martin Boyer
 TE> <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> writes:

 >> >I have a problem concerning the case conversion of ISO 8859 Latin-1
 >> >characters in XEmacs 19.13.  `upcase-word' and similar commands leave
 >> >characters in the range 160 to 255 unchanged.

 TE> Now it seems that the case table is reset for every mode (or
 TE> something, I haven't looked into it).

No, the function `set-standard-case-table' doesn't work.  The only thing
it does, is to reset the case table to the US version--after
	(set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)
	(set-standard-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)
you have no iso case table (kind of strange).

 TE> Thus you have to add it to every mode-hook. Typically you'd add
 TE> (add-hook 'text-mode-hook
 TE>             (function (lambda () 
 TE>                         (set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table))))

Ok, that works (thanks!), but it shouldn't be that complicated.  There
is another bug concerning uppercase etc.:

The definition in prim/isearch-mode:

(defun isearch-no-upper-case-p (string)
  "Return t if there are no upper case chars in string.
But upper case chars preceeded by \\ do not count since they
have special meaning in a regexp."
  ;; this incorrectly returns t for "\\\\A"
  (let ((case-fold-search nil))
    (not (string-match "\\(^\\|[^\\]\\)[A-Z]" string))))

seems to be US specific too.  prim/replace does the job better:

[...]
	(nocasify (not (and case-fold-search case-replace
			    (string-equal from-string
					  (downcase from-string)))))


 MS> I have the same problem, and I have reported it on this forum a
 MS> long time ago.  Did I miss the reply?

Me, too (without reply)--so let's make a long thread out of this.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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The patch which fixes the bug in `save-options-menu-settings' is after
my signature, probably, more properties than just `display-table' have
to be excluded.

BTW, I would like to see readable representations for more abstract
data-types (that wouldn't give full ammunition to the anti-ADT camp).

P.S. the "fix" of my ~/.emacs is quite annoying, there should be a user
option for turning this off.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 17:49:52 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el	Mon Sep 30 17:49:52 1996
***************
*** 1060,1068 ****
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! 			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
- 
       ))
    "The variables to save; or forms to evaluate to get forms to write out.
  This is used by `save-options-menu-settings' and should mirror the
--- 1060,1069 ----
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! 			      (delq 'display-table
! 				    (copy-sequence
! 				     built-in-face-specifiers)))))
  		   (face-list))))
       ))
    "The variables to save; or forms to evaluate to get forms to write out.
  This is used by `save-options-menu-settings' and should mirror the

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Subject: [bug XEmacs-19.14] keymap autoload & menus (scanning keymaps)
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If this is not a bug, but a feature, it should be stated in the
docstring of `autoload':

(X)Emacs provides the nice feature to autoload keymaps:

	(autoload 'xa-cmd "xa" nil t 'keymap)
	(define-key ctl-x-map [(multi_key)] 'xa-cmd)

	;;;file xa.el:
	(defvar xa-map (make-keymap))
	(define-function 'xa-cmd xa-map)
	(define-key xa-map "f" 'find-file)


But at least in XEmacs-19.14, the following makes this feature pretty
useless:

If I use the menu, or functions such as `where-is-internal', file xa
gets loaded.

Is there any possibility to prevent this?  I already tried:

	(put 'xa-cmd 'suppress-keymap t)

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The docstring of `set-keymap-parents' states:

	`(current-global-map)' is the default parent of all keymaps.

This is wrong:

	(defvar xa-map (make-keymap))
	(define-function 'xa-cmd xa-map)
	(define-key global-map [(shift multi_key)] 'xa-cmd)

If I type
	Sh-Multi_key C-x (C-f)
I get
	Sh-Multi_key C-x is undefined

After
	(set-keymap-parents xa-map (list (current-global-map)))
typing
	Sh-Multi_key C-x C-f
invokes `find-file'.

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(defun vc-rename-this-file (new)
  (interactive "FVC rename file to: ")
  (vc-rename-file buffer-file-name new))

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Lets assume, the XEmacs frame is splitted horizontally into 2 windows.
The current-buffer has a `window-width' of 81 and the buffer in the
`other-window' has a window-width 91.

We then define a function

(defun cw-ww ()
  (interactive)
  (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Help*")
  (let* ((win (get-buffer-window "*Help*" 'visible))
	 (max1 (window-width win))
	 (max2 (/ (- (window-pixel-width win)
		     (window-left-margin-pixel-width win) ; ??
		     (window-right-margin-pixel-width win)	; ??
		     (specifier-instance scrollbar-width win))
		  (font-instance-width (face-font-instance 'default win))))
	 max3)
    (redisplay-frame)
    (setq max3 (window-width win))
    (message "%d, %d, %d" max1 max2 max3)))

M-x cw-ww
	=> 91, 81, 81
i.e. the expression for max2 is the workaround for this bug

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Do not deactivate region with `backward-page' and `backward-up-list':

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/page.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/page.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/page.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 18:44:37 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/page.el	Mon Sep 30 18:44:37 1996
***************
*** 63,69 ****
    "Move backward to page boundary.  With arg, repeat, or go fwd if negative.
  A page boundary is any line whose beginning matches the regexp
  `page-delimiter'."
!   (interactive "p")
    (or count (setq count 1))
    (forward-page (- count)))
  
--- 63,69 ----
    "Move backward to page boundary.  With arg, repeat, or go fwd if negative.
  A page boundary is any line whose beginning matches the regexp
  `page-delimiter'."
!   (interactive "_p")
    (or count (setq count 1))
    (forward-page (- count)))


diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/lisp.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/lisp.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/lisp.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 18:45:47 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/lisp.el	Mon Sep 30 18:45:48 1996
***************
*** 107,113 ****
  With argument, do this that many times.
  A negative argument means move forward but still to a less deep spot.
  In Lisp programs, an argument is required."
!   (interactive "p")
    (up-list (- arg)))
  
  (defun up-list (arg) 
--- 107,113 ----
  With argument, do this that many times.
  A negative argument means move forward but still to a less deep spot.
  In Lisp programs, an argument is required."
!   (interactive "_p")
    (up-list (- arg)))
  
  (defun up-list (arg) 


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Hi:

Does anyone know about an Emacs Utility to show
the list of functions that call a given function?

Example would be:

(print-call-tree my_func)
My_func is called by:
	his_func
	yours_func
	.
	.
	.

I heard this was implemented for Xemacs 18 by someone
using tags file...

I was wondering if there was an up-to-date utility
for Xemacs 19.x


Any info apreciated!

Volkan

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Bug: The buffer menu us shortened to `buffers-menu-max-size' items even
if `buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p' is non-nil

Request: Why not let `buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p' (probably
without -p) be an integer : if there are more buffers than this value,
use submenus, otherwise not.

Both are fixed in the patch after my signature.

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diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/x-menubar.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 18:51:38 1996
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***************
*** 708,714 ****
  
  (defvar buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p nil
    "*If true, the buffers menu will contain one submenu per group of buffers,
! if a grouping function is specified in `buffers-menu-grouping-function'.")
  
  (defvar buffers-menu-switch-to-buffer-function 'switch-to-buffer
    "*The function to call to select a buffer from the buffers menu.
--- 708,716 ----
  
  (defvar buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p nil
    "*If true, the buffers menu will contain one submenu per group of buffers,
! if a grouping function is specified in `buffers-menu-grouping-function'.
! If this is an integer, do not build submenus if the number of buffers
! is not larger than this value.")
  
  (defvar buffers-menu-switch-to-buffer-function 'switch-to-buffer
    "*The function to call to select a buffer from the buffers menu.
***************
*** 874,885 ****
      (and (integerp buffers-menu-max-size)
  	 (> buffers-menu-max-size 1)
  	 (> (length buffers) buffers-menu-max-size)
! 	 ;; shorten list of buffers
  	 (setcdr (nthcdr buffers-menu-max-size buffers) nil))
      (if buffers-menu-sort-function
  	(setq buffers (sort buffers buffers-menu-sort-function)))
      (if (and buffers-menu-grouping-function
! 	     buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p)
  	(let (groups groupnames current-group)
  	  (mapl
  	   #'(lambda (sublist)
--- 876,891 ----
      (and (integerp buffers-menu-max-size)
  	 (> buffers-menu-max-size 1)
  	 (> (length buffers) buffers-menu-max-size)
! 	 ;; shorten list of buffers (not with submenus!)
! 	 (not (and buffers-menu-grouping-function
! 		   buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p))
  	 (setcdr (nthcdr buffers-menu-max-size buffers) nil))
      (if buffers-menu-sort-function
  	(setq buffers (sort buffers buffers-menu-sort-function)))
      (if (and buffers-menu-grouping-function
! 	     buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p
! 	     (or (not (integerp buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p))
! 		 (> (length buffers) buffers-menu-submenus-for-groups-p)))
  	(let (groups groupnames current-group)
  	  (mapl
  	   #'(lambda (sublist)

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 * Double clicking (button1) on `(', `{' and `)', `}' highlights the
   whole sexpr (changed function `default-mouse-track-normalize-point',
   file prim/mouse.el below).

(I posted this for XEmacs-19.13 as a `defun', because package mouse is
loaded before ~/.emacs and not all user can change the packages.  This
seems to be the reason why this was not included in XEmacs-19.14,
despite questions about this feature before and after my posting :-)

Ben Wing suggested to introduce a user option for this..but what's the
use of a double click on (,... then, if you generally allow the special
treatment of double clicking some syntactic entity?  Before this user
option, there are thousands to be introduced first (e.g. one user option
to turn off the creation of any frame in VM, whether to "fix" the
~/.emacs with `save-options-menu-settings',...)

A patch is after my signature.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/mouse.el.orig /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/mouse.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/mouse.el.orig	Mon Sep 30 19:11:23 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.xemacs/mouse.el	Mon Sep 30 19:11:23 1996
***************
*** 770,778 ****
    (cond ((eq type 'word)
  	 ;; trap the beginning and end of buffer errors
  	 (condition-case ()
! 	     (if forwardp
! 		 (default-mouse-track-end-of-word t)
! 	       (default-mouse-track-beginning-of-word t))
  	   (error ())))
  	((eq type 'line)
  	 (if forwardp (end-of-line) (beginning-of-line)))
--- 770,786 ----
    (cond ((eq type 'word)
  	 ;; trap the beginning and end of buffer errors
  	 (condition-case ()
! 	     (progn
! 	       (setq type (char-syntax (char-after (point))))
! 	       (if forwardp
! 		   (if (= type ?\()
! 		       (goto-char (scan-sexps (point) 1))
! 		     (if (= type  ?\))
! 			 (forward-char 1)
! 		       (default-mouse-track-end-of-word t)))
! 		 (if (= type ?\))
! 		     (goto-char (scan-sexps (1+ (point)) -1))
! 		   (default-mouse-track-beginning-of-word t))))
  	   (error ())))
  	((eq type 'line)
  	 (if forwardp (end-of-line) (beginning-of-line)))

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A face property `baseline' (`vertical-shift') would be nice for more
WYSIWYG in buffers with HTML or LaTeX major mode.

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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>>>>>   <shahid1@eng.kuniv.edu.kw> writes:

>  Where is the xemacs source

	ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/

Mirrors are available:
	ftp.ai.mit.edu:/pub/xemacs/
	ftp.uu.net:/systems/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.sunet.se:/pub/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.cenatls.cena.dgac.fr:/pub/Emacs/xemacs/
	liasun3.epfl.ch:/pub/gnu/xemacs/
	ftp.th-darmstadt.de:/pub/editors/xemacs/
	audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au:/xemacs/
	sunsite.auc.dk:/pub/emacs/xemacs/
	sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk:/gnu/xemacs/
	uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu:/pub/packages/xemacs/
	ftp.technion.ac.il:/pub/unsupported/gnu/xemacs/
	thphys.irb.hr:/pub/xemacs/

The total package is around 16MB.


Please see also the XEmacs FAQ at
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
or
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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One thing, I would like to see in XEmacs, is that the argument of
:suffix in menu items will be evaluated.

 + Nearly all filter functions will become much easier (see functions in
   XEMACS/x11/x-menubar.el).

 + It would be much easier for users to add some menu items with some
   :suffix to be evaluated, e.g. the buffer name.

 + Since a menu filter in a menu evaluates all filter functions in its
   submenus, we could write time-consuming filters for submenus of the
   "File" menu, since there wouldn't be any use of the
   `file-menu-filter'.

Arguments of other keywords are evaluated, too (e.g. :active), so I hope,
speed is not the reason.

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Hi There!  I've got some fantastic news!  I think you should read if you

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e

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********************************************************************  =


NAMES LIST     NAMES LIST     NAMES LIST     NAMES LIST       =


********************************************************************

           !!!!!!!!HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM WORK!!!!!!!!



1. Christy Johnson

   P.O. Box  181, =


   C.R. , IA 52406-0181



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   707 Wedgewood Plaza Drive, =


   Riviera Beach, FL 33404	=




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   5635 Kirkwood Blvd. SW # 8,  =


   Cedar Rapids, IA 524042

 =


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   P.O. Box 640144

   Bayside, NY 11364



5. Eric Page =


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   =


********************************************************************

THIS REALLY WORKS, IT GOT ME OUT OF DEBT AND PAID FOR A NEW =


COMPUTER. SO GIVE IT A TRY! AND REMEMBER, THIS PERFECTLY LEGAL

********************************************************************

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I have a problem that can in a sense be blamed on my own stupidity. I
modified a file and then wanted to go back so I hit 'undo' a number of
times. I hit it one time too many and erased a large segment which I had
transferred by mouse buffer. Is there a way to recover the loss? Can I undo
the undo?

-- 
rick  -- "A little learning is a dangerous thing" -- A. Pope

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Subject: Wanted: An Orbix tolerant C++ mode
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Does anyone know where I can find an Orbix tolerant C++ mode for emacs? 
In particular, Orbix has a set of macros it uses to emulate exceptions
on platforms that do not natively support them.  This messes up the
indenting with my C++ mode.  If you do not have a C++ mode already, can
you tell me how to add keywords so they are treated as if there are
trailing ;'s?

-- 
George Menyhert
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From: "M. Alan Ross" <maross@pd10.llnl.gov>
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Hi,
	I hope this is the correct place to post an Xemacs question. I am a new
user and do not know much about customizing the .emacs file.  There is a
.el routine called column.el that displays the line and column in the
mode line.  It is intended for use with emacs but I would, of course,
like to Xemacs.  Is there a similar elisp routine that works with
Xemacs.  I guess I would also like to have some general knowledge as to
why column.el does not work with Xemacs. I include the routine below
because it is quite short.  Thank you for your time.

Alan Ross
maross@llnl.gov


;;; column.el --- display line and column in the mode line
;; Copyright (C) 1993 Per Abrahamsen.
;; Copyright abandoned.  This file is donated to the public domain.
;; Author: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@iesd.auc.dk>
;; Version: 0.1
 
;; Diaplay format modified by Chengwei Wu, June 29, 1994
 
;;; Commentary:
;; Requires FSF Emacs 19.
 
;;; Code:
;; Need remove-hook from lucid.
(require 'lucid)
 
;; String containing current column as last evaluated.
(defvar current-column "0")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'current-column)
 
;; Function updating the string containing the current column.
(defvar update-column-function 
  (function (lambda ()
              (setq current-column (int-to-string (current-column)))
              (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p)))))
 
(defvar display-column-mode nil
  "Show current column and line in mode line if non-nil.")
 
;; Add to minor mode list.  Should really be part of mode-line-format.
(or (assq 'display-column-mode minor-mode-alist)
    (setq minor-mode-alist
          (cons '(display-column-mode (" L%l:C" current-column ""))
                minor-mode-alist)))
 
;;;autoload
(defun display-column-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle display column mode.
With prefix arg, turn display column mode on iff arg is positive.
 
When display column mode is on, the current column and line number are
displayed in the mode line."
  (interactive "P")
  (if (or (and (null arg) display-column-mode)
          (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
      ;; Turn it off
      (if display-column-mode
          (progn
            (remove-hook 'post-command-hook update-column-function)
            (setq display-column-mode nil)
            (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p))))
    ;;Turn it on
    (if display-column-mode
        ()
      (add-hook 'post-command-hook update-column-function)
      (setq display-column-mode t))))
 
(provide 'column)
 
;;; column.el ends here

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Hi,
  I was looking through the mail archive and came across a problem with
XEmacs saying (and thinking) that its asyncronous compilation process
hasn't finished.  I couldn't find any resolution of the problem later.  I
observe it as well on my Linux and Solaris 2.4 versions of XEmacs 19.14. 
It appears to be due to XEmacs not using the system "waitpid(..)" fn
properly, but I can't tell if there's a fix, or if this is just a bug that
I can't do much about for now. 

  Are there any solutions that I missed when going through the archives?  

Greg J. Badros 
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And here's the answer...

Dipankar Gupta writes:
 >  > I have a source file that is used to generate several different
 >  > variants.  Each variant has parts which are #ifdef'd.
 >  > 
 >  > What I would like is a way to *exclude* parts of the file that I am
 >  > not currently interested in, whilst editing other parts.
 >  > 
 >  > Does anyone have a way to do this, e.g. using outline mode or their
 >  > own package.
 > 
 > John,
 > 
 > This functionality is exactly what the `hideif' package provides.  You
 > could try:
 > 
 > (require 'hideif)
 > 
 > and look at the functions hide-ifdef-define, hide-ifdef-undef and
 > hide-ifdefs.
 > 
 > Hope this helps.
 > Dipankar

Thanks Dipankar!

-john

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I have a source file that is used to generate several different
variants.  Each variant has parts which are #ifdef'd.

What I would like is a way to *exclude* parts of the file that I am
not currently interested in, whilst editing other parts.

Does anyone have a way to do this, e.g. using outline mode or their
own package.

Any suggestions considered (well, within reason :-).

Thanks,

-john

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From: Michael Wright <michael.wright@medaphis.com>
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I didn't receive a response the first time I posted this, so I'm
trying again with a little more information.

What do I need to add to my .emacs file to have diary appointments pop
to the front of my monitor at their pre-defined time?

This is what I currently have in my .emacs file. It doesn't appear to
be working as far as the appointment reminders go.

(add-hook 'diary-display-hook 'fancy-diary-display)
(add-hook 'list-diary-entries-hook 'sort-diary-entries)
 
(setq appt-message-warning-time t
      appt-audible t
      appt-visible t
      appt-display-mode-line t
      appt-msg-window t
      appt-display-duration "3600")
 
(diary)

Would someone please help. When I first start Xemacs, I see my diary
entries and appointments, but I have already forgotten about the
appointments by the time they arrive, so I need something to pop to
the front of my screen and remind me.

Thanks,

...Mike
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Subject: file label in status bar disappears

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.3) of Sun Jun 23 1996 on gold

I have set up options to display the full file pathname.
(in my .emacs, i say
       ; give full pathnames of files in info line
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)
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bar
(though everything else displays OK).  Note--neithter the full
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In <324CC1AC.41C6@zk3.dec.com> Brian Masinick <masinick@zk3.dec.com> writes:

>Sumit Das wrote:
>> 
>> I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
>> another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
>> Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
>> now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
>> with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
>> in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
>> that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
>> XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).

>   You're definitely not alone in seeing this behavior.  I'm pretty sure
>that this is the expected behavior.  Unfortunately, I do not have a good
>answer on how to get around it.  I tend to run into this more with exmh
>(an excellent TCL/Tk-based mailer).  When I click on a URL, it will fire
>up netscape in the same workspace.  Being an "anal-retentive" ;-) and
>wanting to keep everything in it's place, I simply click on the URL and
>switch to the Netscape workspace promptly.  If I'm not fast enough, I
>just click the left window button and select "Occupy Workspace", then
>select just the one I want, not the "extra" one.

>   By the way, if you *want* an application to show up in more than one
>workspace, this is documented in the Online Help - Hold down the Shift
>key as you slide down each of the names of the workspaces you want to
>display in - then of course, "Occupy All Workspaces" is also an option. 
>But to get an application to "stay put" in it's original workspace only
>does not seem to be the way it works, and I've not yet located any
>documentation on this subject.

>   Anyone care to offer a better workaround that my "retentive" one? ;-)

>   Thanks,

>-- 

I agree that this is a "feature", and not necessarily a bug.  Whenever
I launch an application and then change my workspace before its window
is mapped on the screen, it will "follow" the focus and appear on
whatever workspace I am in when it is ready to be mapped.

Chris Hahn -- chahn@thomsoft.com

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

    Rick> I have a problem that can in a sense be blamed on my
    Rick> own stupidity. I modified a file and then wanted to go
    Rick> back so I hit 'undo' a number of times. I hit it one
    Rick> time too many and erased a large segment which I had
    Rick> transferred by mouse buffer. Is there a way to recover
    Rick> the loss? Can I undo the undo?

Type SPC or anything .. and then undo back to the point you want.



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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
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Subject: RCS and Xemacs 19.14
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:07:00 -0700
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I've noticed two things using RCS under Xemacs 19.14:

1)  I have font lock turned off for long C files ala:
   (setq font-lock-maximum-size '((c-mode . 10000) (mail-mode. 5000) 

    When I initially load in my c file it isn't fontified, but then
when I check it out via the RCS menu it gets fontified.

2)  After I have checked out a file the RCS menu still says Check Out
File for that buffer.  (Under 19.13 it knew and gave me the Check In
File option).  The only way I know to check the file in is in a shell
window.

--jp

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Folks,

I am trying to compile xemacs with gcc-2.7.2 under Solaris 2.5, and
with most of the goodies supported, but right when temacs goes to
create the xemacs executable, I get this message:

unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in
../dynodump/dynodump.so
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/src/stage/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

Can anyone give me any advice?  Thanks!

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> There is an identical problem with Emacs 19.34.  Fixed in XEmacs
> 19.15.

However, I still do not understand why adaptive-fill-regexp is nil,
in spie of purecopy that sets it to a value. If fill.el is preloaded,
shouldn't purecopy assign the value to it?

-- 
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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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I'm using ange-ftp to monitor and then copy files from my account on a
Windows NT server. It works fine, but I have two questions.

1. I can't seem to make a symlink between NT files and my unix
   directory. This would be very handy.

2. In copying files with extension .DAT and .TEX, ange-ftp sets Type
   binary. I want ascii. Where is the alist I should edit?

-- 
rick  -- "A little learning is a dangerous thing" -- A. Pope

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Hi,

what happened to www.xemacs.org ? DNS complains about being unable to
solve this name...

Michel

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Subject: 19.14 on sparc-sun-solaris2.5 is crashing

XEmacs (19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Tue Sep 17 1996 on
spock) is crashing.  It is a relatively infrequent occurrence, for a
user who is using psgml mode (on html docs?), with lots of colors and
things.  Other users are doing fine.  I *suspect* that XEmacs was
built with a stock GCC 2.7.2.

I apologize in advance for any horrible things that Notes Mail will do
to this message.

Will

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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Current directory is /tools/bin-5/
GDB 4.16 (sparc-sun-solaris2.5), =
Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found).=

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	* tex-info.el (texinfo-mode): Check whether imenu stuff is bound.

BTW, what's about a (re-)merge of package func-menu (in XEmacs) with
imenu (in Emacs): each package has its advantages...

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/tex-info.el /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/tex-info.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/tex-info.el	Tue Oct  1 13:50:23 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/tex-info.el	Tue Oct  1 13:50:23 1996
***************
*** 228,235 ****
    (setq comment-start-skip "@c +\\|@comment +")
    (make-local-variable 'words-include-escapes)
    (setq words-include-escapes t)
!   (make-local-variable 'imenu-generic-expression)
!   (setq imenu-generic-expression texinfo-imenu-generic-expression)
    (make-local-variable 'font-lock-defaults)
    (setq font-lock-defaults '(texinfo-font-lock-keywords t))
    (if (not (boundp 'texinfo-section-list))
--- 228,238 ----
    (setq comment-start-skip "@c +\\|@comment +")
    (make-local-variable 'words-include-escapes)
    (setq words-include-escapes t)
!   (and (boundp 'imenu-generic-expression)
!        (boundp 'texinfo-imenu-generic-expression)
!        (progn
! 	 (make-local-variable 'imenu-generic-expression)
! 	 (setq imenu-generic-expression texinfo-imenu-generic-expression)))
    (make-local-variable 'font-lock-defaults)
    (setq font-lock-defaults '(texinfo-font-lock-keywords t))
    (if (not (boundp 'texinfo-section-list))

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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	* info.el (Info-elisp-ref): Look first in package lispref, then
	elisp.

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/info.el /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/info.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/info.el	Tue Oct  1 13:44:04 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/info.el	Tue Oct  1 13:44:04 1996
***************
*** 1635,1642 ****
    (save-window-excursion
      (info)
      (condition-case nil
! 	(Info-find-node "elisp" "Top")
!       (error (Info-find-node "lispref" "Top")))
      (Info-index (symbol-name func)))
    (pop-to-buffer "*info*"))
  
--- 1635,1642 ----
    (save-window-excursion
      (info)
      (condition-case nil
! 	(Info-find-node "lispref" "Top")
!       (error (Info-find-node "elisp" "Top")))
      (Info-index (symbol-name func)))
    (pop-to-buffer "*info*"))
  

-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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	* compile.el (compilation-font-lock-keywords): `defvar' instead of
	`defconst'!

diff -c /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/compile.el /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/compile.el
*** /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/.orig/compile.el	Tue Oct  1 13:57:55 1996
--- /home/clstaff/wedler/emacs/Patches/compile.el	Tue Oct  1 13:57:55 1996
***************
*** 284,290 ****
  ;; History of grep commands.
  (defvar grep-history nil)
  
! (defconst compilation-font-lock-keywords (purecopy
    (list
     '("^[-_.\"A-Za-z0-9/+]+\\(:\\|, line \\)[0-9]+: \\([wW]arning:\\).*$" .
       font-lock-keyword-face)
--- 284,290 ----
  ;; History of grep commands.
  (defvar grep-history nil)
  
! (defvar compilation-font-lock-keywords (purecopy
    (list
     '("^[-_.\"A-Za-z0-9/+]+\\(:\\|, line \\)[0-9]+: \\([wW]arning:\\).*$" .
       font-lock-keyword-face)


-- 
Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de>

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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Michel Jouvin writes:
 > what happened to www.xemacs.org ? DNS complains about being unable to
 > solve this name...

   what happened to your DNS, Michel? ciao :-)

% nslookup www.xemacs.org
Name Server:  hp-po.stru.polimi.it
Address:  131.175.24.253

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Jens Claussen <claussen@db.fmi.uni-passau.de> writes:
> You can keep Netscape from raising (and thus appearing on the current
> workspace) by giving the additional option "-noraise".
> 
> Unfortunately, XEmacs does not offer a "clean" way to set this
> option. A "dirty" solution might be simply hacking the file
> "browse-url.el" to always send the option "-noraise". Any better way
> to achieve this? (setting browse-url-netscape-arguments did not work
> for me)

Maybe you can write a little shell script, call it "netscape-noraise"

#! /bin/sh
netscape -noraise $*

and then tell XEmacs to execute this instead of "netscape". If have
not tested this.

Marius

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johnmac@hpqs0215.sqf.hp.com (John Macartney) writes:

> I have a source file that is used to generate several different
> variants.  Each variant has parts which are #ifdef'd.
> 
> What I would like is a way to *exclude* parts of the file that I am
> not currently interested in, whilst editing other parts.

In Emacs and XEmacs use:

	`M-x hide-ifdef-mode RET' 

In Emacs you can also use

	`M-x cpp-highlight-buffer RET'




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Hi,

does anybody know a way to get the topical column displayed in the
modeline?

-- bis spter...
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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Looking for an old version of func-menu
Cc: win-emacs@pearlsoft.com, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 15:37 01/10/96 IST, Amir J. Katz wrote:
>
>Anyway, winemacs is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6 and does not have
>func-menu. When he tried to load the most recent version (that comes
>with XEmacs 19.14), it didn't work, of course.
>
>Do you have an idea where I can get and old copy of func-menu that
>is compatible with 19.6?

The most recent version of func-menu *is* compatible with WinEmacs. 
I know because I use WinEmacs every day (I use a PC, not a UNIX box). 

What you need is a more uptodate version of the backquote.el package 
which func-menu depends on. What I did was to copy the 19.14 backquote.el
*and* backquote.elc (WinEmacs can't compile this file, but it can run the
.elc!) into the WinEmacs load path and load this to overwrite the standard
19.6 backquote.el

You should then find that func-menu works without any modification. I have
quite deliberately maintained func-menu compatability with WinEmacs because
I have a vested interest!

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DH> It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for emacs,
DH> but not a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?

Um, why in blazes would you want one?  Did you not know that trying to
write C shell scripts is hazardous to your health?  Tom Christiansen's
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>>>>> "DK" == David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

DK>  (why the heck
DK> does emacs think it is smarter than the sendmail configurator?),

Message mode handles both mail and news, and while it might not be
smarter than sendmail, it definitely is smarter than an nntp daemon,
especially running on a foreign server.  Keeping the code the same
means one less place to configure.


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>>>>> "GM" == George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

    GM> Does anyone know where I can find an Orbix tolerant C++ mode
    GM> for emacs?  In particular, Orbix has a set of macros it uses
    GM> to emulate exceptions on platforms that do not natively
    GM> support them.  This messes up the indenting with my C++ mode.
    GM> If you do not have a C++ mode already, can you tell me how to
    GM> add keywords so they are treated as if there are trailing ;'s?

Most likely, you will have to hack on (at least)
c-beginning-of-statement-1 from cc-mode.el.  There could be lots of
other places to hack on too.  It won't be easy.

-Barry

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrvoje> However, I still do not understand why adaptive-fill-regexp is
Hrvoje> nil, in spie of purecopy that sets it to a value. If fill.el
Hrvoje> is preloaded, shouldn't purecopy assign the value to it?

It does.  But you're forgetting how variables work in Emacs lisp.  The
global value can be shadowed by other bindings.  In this case, cc-mode
makes it buffer-local and sets it to nil:

lisp/modes/cc-mode.el (this function is called from c-mode):
(defun c-common-init ()
  ...
  (make-local-variable 'adaptive-fill-regexp)
  ...
  ;; now set their values
  (setq paragraph-start (if (memq 'new-re c-emacs-features)
  ...
	adaptive-fill-regexp nil)

The fact that adaptive-fill-regexp is initialized by fill.el at dump
time is irrelevant to cc-mode.
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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: What features does OOBR show?
Date: 01 Oct 1996 08:42:12 -0500
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I'm learning to use the OO-Browser, and am having difficulty
understanding which C++ class features (attributes and functions) are
shown when you execute `f' (br-features) on a class.

I'm using the OOBR on the ACE toolkit, and it doesn't show all of the
member functions of the `Task<T>' class.  I've experimented with
different signatures to see if it's a regexp problem, but my results
are inconclusive.  I created an environment with `Task.h', `Task.cpp',
and `Task.i'.

Here's some examples from that code (Task<T> in Task.h):

---
  // = Initialization and termination hooks (note that these *must* be
  // defined by subclasses).
  virtual int open (void *args = 0) = 0;
  // Hook called to open a Task.  <args> can be used to pass arbitrary
  // information into <open>.

  virtual int close (u_long flags = 0) = 0;
  // Hook called to close a Task.

  virtual ~ACE_Task (void);	
  // Destructor.

  // = Immediate and deferred processing methods, respectively.
  virtual int put (ACE_Message_Block *, ACE_Time_Value *tv = 0) = 0;
  // Transfer msg into the queue to handle immediate processing. 

  virtual int svc (void);
  // Run by a daemon thread to handle deferred processing.

  // = Active object activation method.
  virtual int activate (long flags = THR_NEW_LWP, 
			int n_threads = 1, 
			int force_active = 0,
			u_int priority = 0,
			int grp_id = -1);
---

The functions, `open', `close', and `put' are listed.  But
`~ACE_Task', `svc', and `activate' are not.

Would someone explain this to me?

Thanks for any help.

-- 
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lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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From: Brian Edmonds <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
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Joel F Rising <rising@math.ucsb.edu> writes:
> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
> relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in
> ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1

You must compile dynodump with cc under Solaris.  The same problem was
in 19.13, and thankfully I kept install notes from that time...

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From: Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com>
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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:41:27 -0400
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Try putting-
(display-column-mode nil)
(line-number-mode nil)
In your .emacs

I find displaying the column mode eats a lot of real-time,
so I have bound it to a key to toggle it, as below:
(define-key global-map [f2] 'display-column-mode)

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: [bug XEmacs-19.14, patch] tex-info + imenu
Date: 01 Oct 1996 11:30:47 -0700
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>>>>> "CW" == Christoph Wedler <wedler@fmi.uni-passau.de> writes:

CW> 	* tex-info.el (texinfo-mode): Check whether imenu stuff is bound.

CW> BTW, what's about a (re-)merge of package func-menu (in XEmacs) with
CW> imenu (in Emacs): each package has its advantages...

Thanks for the patch.  imenu will be in XEmacs 19.15.  Func-menu is so
good though, it's unclear that all of the functionality of imenu will
be ported.

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From: jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu (James Tang)
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Date: 1 Oct 1996 20:50:13 GMT
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Does anyone know how to set the auto indent to 4 spaces instead of
2 spaces (this is the default) in C and C++ ?

Thanks

-- James


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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

>>>>> "Michel" == Michel Jouvin writes:

Michel> what happened to www.xemacs.org ? DNS complains about being unable to
Michel> solve this name...

giacomo>    what happened to your DNS, Michel? ciao :-)

giacomo> % nslookup www.xemacs.org
 ...
giacomo> Non-authoritative answer:

That line means your name server has the information cached and didn't
perform a lookup.  A fairer test would be to perform the DNS lookup on
the primary server for the domain:

$ whois xemacs.org
 ...
   Domain servers in listed order:

   XEMACS.CS.UIUC.EDU           128.174.252.16
   A.CS.UIUC.EDU                128.174.252.1
 ...
$ nslookup
 ...
> server 128.174.252.16
Default Server:  xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu
Address:  128.174.252.16

> www.xemacs.org
Server:  xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu
Address:  128.174.252.16

Name:    www.xemacs.org
Address:  128.174.252.16


It looks O.K. now, but that doesn't preclude something weird going on
earlier.
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From: Eyal Wirsansky <ewirsans@faxjet.com>
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Hello,

I have tried to install Xemacs 19.14 on a (pentium based) SCO UnixWare machine. The Unix version installed 
in this machine is marked as 'System V 4.2MP 2.1'.

After ftp'ing the source code, I first ran 'configure' without any parameters. 'configure' came up with the 
guess 'i386-univel-sysv4.2MP', which made sense. But, running 'make' consequently has failed, due to an 
attempt to issue a 'ranlib' command, which is not recognized by the machine. Trying to run 'configure' with 
some other variations of the machine-argument did not improve the final result.

If anybody knows how to fix the situation, or already have a compiled version of Xemacs for the UnixWare 
machine, it would be a of a great help to me.

Thank you, 
Eyal.

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The problem is that in LaTeX mode in XEmacs, "\%" is parsed incorrectly.
 Technically, "%" means that the all characters following the "%" to the
end-of-line are a comment.  However, "\%" is an escaped command and does not
imply that characters following the "%" are part of a comment.  This command is
intended to print a simple '%' in the ouput.  Does anybody know why XEmacs
parses this incorrectly and if so, how to fix it?


On Sep 17,  9:25am, Greg Jumper wrote:
> Subject: Re:  problem with LaTeX mode in XEmacs
> Joel,
>
> I don't recall seeing any posts in response to your question about this
> matter.  I've also had problems with highlighting when using (unbalanced) "$"
> in LaTeX documents, e.g.,
>
>      please find \$1.00 enclosed
>
> Did you receive any useful answers to your question?
> --
>                                        Thanks,
>
>
>                                        Greg Jumper
>                                        SRI International
>                                        jumper@lens.sri.com
>-- End of excerpt from Greg Jumper



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To: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: www.xemacs.org 
In-reply-to: Your message of "01 Oct 1996 14:08:32 PDT."
             <m2pw32wfxr.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> 
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 17:12:26 -0500
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>

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The university's net connection has been less than stable.  Since the
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			-Chuck

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From: Ed Goei <edg@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: tm error with PS attachment
Date: 01 Oct 1996 15:40:23 -0700
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I'm using tm-vm/version "7.54" with VM.  Whenever I get an email with a
postscript attachment in it I get the following error:

    Searching for program: no such file or directory, pstogif

Anyone know how to fix this or where I can get this pstogif program?  I
don't necessarily want to preview the PS, but it would be nice to step
through attachments and extract PS attachments like any other attachments.
Whenever I get this error I just get a blank message and so I then turn off
the tm preview (with M-t), but then it's much harder to extract the PS
attachment.

-- 
Ed Goei
edg@eng.sun.com

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> Um, why in blazes would you want one?  Did you not know that trying to
> write C shell scripts is hazardous to your health?  [ref csh.whynot]

because you want to edit your .login .logout .cshrc .tcshrc files, perhaps?

I'll know that emacs shell-script-mode does get invoked automatically,
at least for .cshrc...

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    When I run Xemacs 19.14 on HP-UX 10.01, and I want to cancel a search,
I hit ctrl-g.  It takes 30 seconds (on a 712/60) to regain control, up to a
minute if the search was unsuccessful!  This is way too long.  Also,
unsuccessful incremental searches simply hang, rather than returning an
error.  What is going on?  Thanks in advance for your help.

Martin Geil
Lockheed Martin Technical Operations
-- 
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>>>>> "Ed" == Ed Goei <edg@eng.sun.com> writes:

Ed> I'm using tm-vm/version "7.54" with VM.  Whenever I get an email with a
Ed> postscript attachment in it I get the following error:

Ed>     Searching for program: no such file or directory, pstogif

Ed> Anyone know how to fix this or where I can get this pstogif program?

This ones got FAQ written all over it[1] :-(, I wonder if we can include
it with 19.15?

pstogif is part of latex2html, and is available at:

ftp://ftp.tohoku.ac.jp/pub/TeX/latex-styles/bear_collections/latex2html/latex2html.tar.gz

If there are any better locations, I'd like to know.  An altavista
search on ``pstogif'' is not very useful.

[1]
Now answered in part IV of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsysytems.html#Q4_3_5
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Hi,

I'm using XEmacs 19.14. It has a very nice HTML-Mode which is able to
insert the HTML tags for  (&auml; etc). Now I write a document with
many danish names and I would like to be able to enter the danish
letters &oslash; &aelig; with Ctrl- and Ctrl-. Does anybody know how I
can configure this?

-- bis spter...
 - Sascha         ---<~>=( http://www.ping.de/sites/aibon/ )=<~>---

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   /\ http://www.eff.org/BlueRibbon/bluehtml.html

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From: "Antonio M. Corbi Bellot" <acorbi@altea.dlsi.ua.es>
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Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).
Does any one know how to make xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented
vocals, circumflexed vocals, etc...)?.

I have tried a "(require 'iso8859-1)" in my .emacs, but it doesn't work,
or I don't know how to make it work.


Thanks for your time.
A.Corbi.
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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <32500D4C.237C@cinesoft.com> George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

> Orbix has a set of macros it uses to emulate exceptions
> keywords so they are treated as if there are trailing ;'s?

Ah yes. Braindead MFC (that's MS stuff) also uses macros that should not
have ; at the end. Exceptions (in the old 2.0) and ventr response tables.

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(I asked this before, but got no response.) I use infodock 3.4 (xemacs
19.13). I open a tty frame from under "screen" at home, and then at the
office open an x frame using
  id-eval -q \(make-frame nil \(make-x-device \"$DISPLAY\"\)\)
(id-eval is about the same as gnudoit).

All is fine until I try to delete-frame it, at which point it complains
that there is only one frame. (frame-list) returns the two frames as
expected. Anyone seen this?

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Hi,
I'm using W3 with (setq url-gateway-method 'native).
When there are problems with the url fetching (DNS name resolver not
rsponding, request sent and no reply returns, etc.), the fetch command just
continues waiting. Isn't there a time limit for the connection?
I've traced the fuction calls to XEmacs buildin `open-network-stream', and it
seems that the problem is there.
If there is buildin way to limit connection time, how can I write a time-bomb
procedure which will kill the connection process?
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>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Geil <martin.geil@lmco.com> writes:

    Martin>     When I run Xemacs 19.14 on HP-UX 10.01, and I want to
    Martin> cancel a search, I hit ctrl-g.  It takes 30 seconds (on a
    Martin> 712/60) to regain control, up to a minute if the search
    Martin> was unsuccessful!  This is way too long.  Also,
    Martin> unsuccessful incremental searches simply hang, rather than
    Martin> returning an error.  What is going on?  Thanks in advance
    Martin> for your help.

I'd suggest you try the precompiled binary for hpux 9.05 (which I
specifically made so that it runs correctly on both hpux 9.X and 10.X
(10.10 included). Please tell me whether the problem is still there or
not when using this binary kit.

Richard.

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From: Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se>
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There is always some files you visit a lot. I have added a submenu,
where I can get some of these files directly. The problem is that I have
to edit my .emacs every time I want to make changes in what's in the
submenu.

What I want is an automatically updated menu where I find files that I
visit frequently and/or the last, say 10, visited files.

Is there anything like this anywhere?

	Karl

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>>>>>"KS" == Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:

 KS> What I want is an automatically updated menu where I find files that I
 KS> visit frequently and/or the last, say 10, visited files.

Simple version: use the `file-name-history' and menu filters (in XEmacs)
/ ??? (Emacs).

More sophisticated:
  ftp://ftp.uni-passau.de/pub/local/parallel/sources/session.el.gz
(menu stuff only for XEmacs)

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> It does.  But you're forgetting how variables work in Emacs lisp.  The
> global value can be shadowed by other bindings.  In this case, cc-mode
> makes it buffer-local and sets it to nil:

Heh, right. Stupid of me not to see that c-mode has its fingers
there. :)

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From: Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu>
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I'm trying to get efs-1.14 to compile on my machine, but I keep getting
errors about undefined functions.  I'm using linux-2.0.20 and
xemacs-19.14.  Can anyone help me, or point me to another package that I
can use?  I need an ftp program that will allow me to specify ports.

Thanks.
-- 
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At this juncture I'm clueless to lisp, but this solution seems to work:
(Suggestions as to whether newbies should try to help others are welcome.)

Sascha Ziemann <szi@aibon.ping.de> is looking for a way to insert html
entities.  My first point is that it is considered legal to use 8-bit
characters in a html document, so you may well use  instead of
typing the entities, as long as you work in windoze or unix (i.e. macs
have non-ascii chars in different places than unix and dos).

If you still wish to define the characters, this might do what you
want:

 (define-key global-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
 (define-key global-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

This is a global change, it is probably better to check out how to do
this internally in your html-mode.



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    BT> Peter Mutsaers <plm@lucent.com> writes:
    >> I see no other features of XEmacs that GNU Emacs does not
    >> provide. (Correct me if I'm wrong).
    BT> what about the verry nice gdbsrc-mode in xemacs?
    BT> it's much better the  gud or gdb mode for source level debugging.
    BT> bodo

>Hmmm. What is better about it?

>Note: I don't like toolbar-buttons with pictures. I only want text.
>In fact I don't want toolbar buttons at all. If I need a reminder for
>keybindings, pulldown menus will do fine (and take up less space on
>the screen).

i don't use the toolbar at all, but i use the gdb shortcuts in the
source window: t for temp break
	       b for break
	       r for run 
	       p for print value of variable at the cursor ...etc 
and the possibility of switching easily beetween gdbsrc mode
and the normal C-source edit mode.
that means you don't need the gdb-command buffer for steping throug
the source 
another advantage is, that you can not change the source-code by
accident in the source buffer.

i  used the gud and gdb mode of emacs 19.30 for a long time ( more
than a year) but the gdbsrc mode of xemacs is *much* better!

bodo
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Hi,
In W3 the url-be-asynchronous variable is supposed to load urls in
background. what it actually does is screw up the image loading. It either
loads the image into XV (instead of inline), or complains that the image is not
a legal one in some way or another. When this variable is set to nil, images
are loaded correctly.
If on top I use cache, the cached images are zero sized.
I'm using XEmacs 19.13 and (setq url-gateway-method 'native).
Any suggestions?
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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From: "Mohan Gummalam (gult)" <mgummala@syr.edu>
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Subject: Re: Frequently used files
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 12:11:31 -0400
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I guess you want to take a look at "desktop" feature of emacs.  You can
get more info on it in emacs-info.

Basically you need these three lines in your .emacs
(load "desktop")
(desktop-load-default)
(desktop-read)

You dont need to have a menu submenu.  There is one problem though..
desktop does not automatically load files that have been read using
ange-ftp.

Hope this helps.

Mohan

Karl Storck wrote:
> 
> There is always some files you visit a lot. I have added a submenu,
> where I can get some of these files directly. The problem is that I have
> to edit my .emacs every time I want to make changes in what's in the
> submenu.
> 
> What I want is an automatically updated menu where I find files that I
> visit frequently and/or the last, say 10, visited files.
> 
> Is there anything like this anywhere?
> 
>         Karl

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>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Nyb <chr@sgichr.mediascience.no> writes:

Christian> If you still wish to define the characters, this might do what you
Christian> want:

Christian>  (define-key global-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
Christian>  (define-key global-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

Christian> This is a global change, it is probably better to check out
Christian> how to do this internally in your html-mode.

In psgml mode, use:
(define-key sgml-mode-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
(define-key sgml-mode-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

If you're using hm--html-menus, use:
(define-key hm--html-region-mode-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
(define-key hm--html-region-mode-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

My setup:
(require 'func-menu)
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
(define-key global-map "\C-cg" 'fume-prompt-function-goto)
(define-key global-map '(shift button3) 'mouse-function-menu)
(define-key global-map '(meta  button1) 'fume-mouse-function-goto)
(setq-default fume-sort-function nil)

To toggle display of function name in modeline, I use the "Toggle Modeline
Display" option in the "Functions" menu.

> >>>>> "Karl" == Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:
> 
> Karl> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> Karl> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> Karl> putting in my .emacs:
> Karl> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
> 
> David Hughes made a suggestion concerning this to this newsgroup
> recently.
> 
> Remove or comment out the line reading:
> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
> 
> And add a keybinding like:
> (define-key global-map [(control c) x] 'fume-add-menubar-entry)
> 
> so that you can toggle the behavior back on if you need it.
> 
> It works for me.

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I start XEmacs on my desk top and then, from a second machine, do:

    $ gnudoit "(make-frame-on-display \"$DISPLAY\")"

to create a frame on a different system.  If that 2nd machine is then
shutdown, or if I just exit the window manager (and the X server) then 
the entire session is shutdown.

Is there any way to avoid this (aside from remembering to delete those
secondary frames before shutdown) ?

One system is hpux9.05; the other is hpux10.20.  Window mgr is vtwm in both cases.

--tony

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>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Nyb <chr@sgichr.mediascience.no> writes:

Christian> If you still wish to define the characters, this might do what you
Christian> want:

Christian>  (define-key global-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
Christian>  (define-key global-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

Christian> This is a global change, it is probably better to check out
Christian> how to do this internally in your html-mode.

In psgml mode, use:
(define-key sgml-mode-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
(define-key sgml-mode-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

If you're using hm--html-menus, use:
(define-key hm--html-region-mode-map [(control oslash)] "&oslash;")
(define-key hm--html-region-mode-map [(control aring)] "&aring;")

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>>>>> "Vladimir" == Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

> In article <32500D4C.237C@cinesoft.com> George Menyhert
> <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

>> Orbix has a set of macros it uses to emulate exceptions keywords so they
>> are treated as if there are trailing ;'s?

> Ah yes. Braindead MFC (that's MS stuff) also uses macros that should not
> have ; at the end. Exceptions (in the old 2.0) and ventr response tables.

Would extra semicolons hurt it?

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From: Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch (Mats Weber)
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>Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).
>Does any one know how to make xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented
>vocals, circumflexed vocals, etc...)?.
>
>I have tried a "(require 'iso8859-1)" in my .emacs, but it doesn't work,
>or I don't know how to make it work.

You don't need it. Support for 8 bit chars is there by default.

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From: "Joel F. Rising" <rising@math.ucsb.edu>
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Subject: 19.14 compiles on Solaris, but doesn't install
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 13:42:20 -0700
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Folks,

I am trying to compile xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.2 with the Sun C pro
compiler 3.0.1 and gcc-2.7.2.  I use cc only to compile dynodump.
I config like this:

config --prefix=/net/share --exec-prefix=/net/local ...

xemacs compiles fine, and if I run it from the source tree directly, it
runs fine.  However, when I install it, it doesn't seem to know where
its lisp files, bitmaps, etc. are.  Using the Solaris "truss" command, I
discovered that:

By default, it looks for its files in whatever directory I am in when I
invoke it. It doesn't seem to look anywhere where its distribution is
for files.  Nevertheless, it tells me:

Consider making a symbolic link from
/net/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/etc to wherever the
appropriate XEmacs data-directory is, and from
/net/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/lisp to wherever the
appropriate XEmacs lisp library is.

which I had already done.  If I set EMACSLOADPATH in the environment, it
still doesn't work.

Any tips or advice?  Thanks!

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <tz3ezxme74.fsf@baldy.kla.com> David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

> > Ah yes. Braindead MFC (that's MS stuff) also uses macros that should not
> > have ; at the end. Exceptions (in the old 2.0) and ventr response tables.
                                                       ^^^^^
                                              I meant "event"
> Would extra semicolons hurt it?
Exceptions maybe not (an extra null statement thrown in), but response
tables yes. They're inside a class definition/declaration.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <tziv8tuu6a.fsf@uh-oh.divnc.com> Tony Bennett <tbennett@uh-oh.divnc.com> writes:

> Is there any way to avoid this (aside from remembering to delete those
> secondary frames before shutdown) ?

It's prudent to always do this, as it is to save-buffers-kill-emacs before
you leave X in a one-display situation.

Unfortunately, I can't even delete-frame (emacs-version "InfoDock 3.4,
XEmacs 19.13") because XEmacs thinks there is only one frame.

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Source can be found on www.xemacs.org

which is:

Name:    www.xemacs.org
Address:  128.174.252.16

Toby
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Joel F Rising <rising@math.ucsb.edu> writes (quoting xemacs):
> Consider making a symbolic link from
> /net/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/etc to wherever the
> appropriate XEmacs data-directory is, and from
> /net/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/sparc-sun-solaris2.5/lisp to wherever the
> appropriate XEmacs lisp library is.

To get 19.14 (and 19.13) to run in a split generic/arch environment like
we use here, I need to take the following steps:

1. move local/lib to local/lib.old
2. symlink local/lib to share/lib
3. symlink share/lib/xemacs-19.14/ARCH to local/lib.old/xemacs-19.14/ARCH

Of course you may have to go down the local/lib tree a few more more
levels to get a point where you can make the appropriate change.  My
install notes for XEmacs are at the URL below, though I don't seem to
have updated them for 19.14 yet...
  <http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/ubc/install/xemacs.html>

-- 
 o         Brian Edmonds <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
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(*)   (*)  See http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds for me and my hobbies

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I'm just learning XEmacs lisp.  I've redefined my modeline as below:

(setq-default modeline-buffer-identification nil)
;; the modeline is filling up - cut down displayed information
(setq modeline-click-swaps-buffers t)
(setq-default modeline-modified '("%1*%1+"))
(setq-default modeline-format
  '("Buffer %b" modeline-modified " "
  " " global-mode-string modeline-buffer-identification
  "    At line %l, column %c"))

Now I'd like to have some parts displayed in different faces, but when I change
the "Buffer %b" to ((find-face 'blue) . "Buffer %b"), the buffer name is not
even displayed, let alone in blue.  And yet

(facep (find-face 'blue))

evaluates to "t".  From the documentation of the variable modeline-format:


Documentation:
Template for displaying modeline for current buffer.
Each buffer has its own value of this variable.
Value may be a string, a symbol or a list or cons cell.
*** For a list whose car is a face, the cdr of the list is processed
*** normally but the results will be displayed using the face in the car.


So I seem to be following the instructions for modeline-format, but I'm not
getting the expected results.  Do I have a fundamental misunderstanding of
lists or faces or something?  I'm trying to figure this out myself, but neither
the online info nor the printed docs contain any examples or help on tricks
like this.  An help from an XEmacs guru would be deeply appreciated . . .

Thanks,

Joel.

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From: Kent Lee <leekentd@luther.edu>
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Is there an SML (Standard ML of New Jersey) mode for XEmacs?

  -- Kent

-- 
Kent D. Lee
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>>>>> "Kent" == Kent Lee <leekentd@luther.edu> writes:

    Kent> Is there an SML (Standard ML of New Jersey) mode for
    Kent> XEmacs?  -- Kent

There is one for GNU Emacs .. I used it extensively this spring
when I had to do a lot of ML coding. It was pretty nice, could
interpret from within the sml mode .. I picked it up from the
web, searched altavista. 

-Sailesh

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Subject: Re: Func-menu and the modeline display
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Karl Storck wrote:
> 
> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> putting in my .emacs:
> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
> 
> I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
> still it doesn't work.
> 
> Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
> the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
> gets all right).

I want to thank you all for great help. I actually found the problem the
other day. I found that my latex-hooks where run through twice when
opening a .tex-file. First when emacs found it was a .tex, and second
when it got to the "%%% mode: latex" line at the end. 

	Karl
Karl Storck wrote:
> 
> How can I set the default behaviour of func-menu to NOT display the
> function name in the modeline? I have tried different things, like
> putting in my .emacs:
> (setq-default fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)
> 
> I have also tried an add-hook to "fume-toggle-modeline-display" but
> still it doesn't work.
> 
> Either it messes up my modeline or toggling the modeline doesn't work
> the first times (that is I have to do two or three toggles before it
> gets all right).
> 
> Running XEmacs-19.14 on a hpux-9.03
> 
>         Karl

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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes:

    >> Um, why in blazes would you want one?  Did you not know that trying to
    >> write C shell scripts is hazardous to your health?  [ref csh.whynot]

    Mark> because you want to edit your .login .logout .cshrc .tcshrc files,
    Mark> perhaps?

    Mark> I'll know that emacs shell-script-mode does get invoked
    Mark> automatically, at least for .cshrc...

    C-Shell mode for is available, and the package is called csh-mode2.el.
    Can't tell you where I've got it from (it's no secret, I just can't
    remember).
    To enter csh-mode automatically when aditing c-shell scripts use in your
    .emacs:

    (nconc interpreter-mode-alist
       '(("csh" . csh-mode)
         ("tcsh" . csh-mode)
         ))

    Note that the file being edited should start with `#!' and contain csh or
    tcsh in it's first line.
    Something like:
    #! /bin/csh
    #! /usr/local/bin/tcsh


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>>>>> "Mats" == Mats Weber <Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch> writes:

    >> Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).  Does any one know how to make
    >> xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented vocals, circumflexed vocals,
    >> etc...)?.
    >> 
    >> I have tried a "(require 'iso8859-1)" in my .emacs, but it doesn't
    >> work, or I don't know how to make it work.

    Mats> You don't need it. Support for 8 bit chars is there by default.

    Yes, but how do I edit with those chars?
    How do I insert them into my text?


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Joel F. Rising wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I am trying to compile xemacs with gcc-2.7.2 under Solaris 2.5, and
> with most of the goodies supported, but right when temacs goes to
> create the xemacs executable, I get this message:
> 
> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
> relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in
> ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/src/stage/xemacs-19.14/src'
> make: *** [src] Error 2
> 
> Can anyone give me any advice?  Thanks!

Link dynodump/dynodump.so with the '-shared' option instead of -G (as in
the Makefile).
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Holger Franz (hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de) wrote:
> >>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>  Hrvoje> I have noticed that too, on Solaris 2.5. I think it is a
>  Hrvoje> "normal" behaviour, until the tty optimizations are
>  Hrvoje> implemented. Anyone?
> It is 'blink-cursor-mode' and can be toggled by that command.

It has nothing to do with blink-cursor-mode. BTW, that mode seems
quite brain-damaged on tty-s (now that I have tried it).

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Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3500.oren.co.il> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Mats" == Mats Weber <Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch> writes:
> 
>     >> Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).  Does any one know how to make
>     >> xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented vocals, circumflexed vocals,
>     >> etc...)?.
>     >> 
>     >> I have tried a "(require 'iso8859-1)" in my .emacs, but it doesn't
>     >> work, or I don't know how to make it work.
> 
>     Mats> You don't need it. Support for 8 bit chars is there by default.
> 
>     Yes, but how do I edit with those chars?
>     How do I insert them into my text?
> 
> 

I have in my .emacs file:

   (load "x-compose")
   (global-set-key [(multi_key)] 'compose-key )  

Hans

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Per question 3.1.6 of the FAQ, I tried to display the current file or
directory
using the following in my .emacs files:

(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory
"%b"))))

Unfortunately, when visiting a dired directory buffer, only "emacs:" is
displayed. Can anyone tell me how to get this to work?

Dave
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I noticed a couple of things in the xemacs tcl mode which were a lot
different than the way emac did them.  I've checked the faq and not
found any info for fixing them.

I can't send my emacs buffer to a tcl-process like in emacs.  Is there a
way to get around this??

When I start a tcl process, it starts the process in my current frame.
Emacs split the frame into two and put the tcl process in the lower
one.  Is there any way to get xemacs to do this??

I love the syntax highlighting, but if I can't resolve the two above
issues, I think I'll go back to emacs.

Any help?

Thanks,

Kevin

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From: Pat McCabe <mccabe@eng.paradyne.com>
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I just got my Sun workstation upgraded from SunOS 4.1.3 to Solaris CDE
version 1.0.2. Now, when I invoke xemacs version 19.13, I get the
following error in a *Warnings* split-window when I press the "open"
button to open a file:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

Does anyone have any ideas on what is causing this, and what a solution
might be?

Thanks. Please respond to me directly via email to the address below.

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>> On 28 Sep 1996 17:48:57 +0200,
>> Jens Claussen(JC) wrote:

JC> You can keep Netscape from raising (and thus appearing on the current
JC> workspace) by giving the additional option "-noraise".

JC> Unfortunately, XEmacs does not offer a "clean" way to set this
JC> option. 

Yes, it does. Or rather, browse-url.el, the responsible package,
does. Setting this variable 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*A list of strings to pass to Netscape as arguments.
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to something  like

	(setq browse-url-netscape-arguments '("noraise"))

should work (note the value is a list of strings). If it doesn't it
should be reported to the browse-url package author.

-- 
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Subject: Is XEmacs threaded?
Date: 4 Oct 1996 06:38:38 GMT
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Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a large file 
while running a shell command while still letting me edit?

I'm currently using FSF Emacs (which can't, as of 19.31).  This feature alone 
would give me reason to switch.

Any comments on the likelihood of the feature being added to an emacs any 
time soon?

pjm.

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From: Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: Xemacsa-19.14:autoinsert doesn't work
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 09:32:10 +0200
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> [Emailed and posted]
> 
> >>>>> "Goran" == Goran Groschner <eragros@hfera.ericsson.se> writes:
> 
> Goran> Using xemacs-19.14 I can't get autoinsert to work. Within
> Goran> xemacs-19.13 it works fine.
> 
> Goran> Any hints or ideas are highly appreciated.
> 
> Goran> (load-library "autoinsert")
> Goran> (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name "~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
> Goran> (setq auto-insert-alist
> Goran>       '(("\\.cc$" . "i.cc")
> Goran>         ("\\.hh$" . "i.hh")
> Goran>         ("\\.c$" . "i.c")
> Goran>         ("\\.h$" . "i.h")
> Goran>         ("\\.delos$" . "i.delos")
> Goran>         ("\\.icc$" . "i.icc")
> Goran>         ("[Mm]akefile" . "i.make")))
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Did changing the $ to \\' work for you?  Also, what platform and OS
> are you running with, and what compiler and compiler options did you
> use to build XEmacs?
> 
> BTW the [Mm]akefile line is imprecise.  You should also include a
> termination test with \\' or $ there as well, otherwise you will get
> a false match from a filename like `/usr/src/MakefileMaker-2.3/main.c'.
> --
> steve@miranova.com baur
> Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
> What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
> Coincidence?  I think not.

My work-around looks like this. It works either way with \\' or $.
The two conditions differ in applying one of the following statements.

(load-library "autoinsert")
(add-hook 'find-file-hooks ww'auto-insert)

I'm running SunOs. Unfortunately, I don't know which compiler options
were used.

Regards,

Gran

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;; Autoinsert
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
(cond ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
	    (>= emacs-major-version 19)
	    (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
       ;;
       ;; Code requiring XEmacs version 19.12 or newer goes here
       ;;
       (load-library "autoinsert")
	;(add-hook 'find-file-hooks ww'auto-insert)
       (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name
"~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
       (setq auto-insert-alist 
	     '(("\\.cc\\'" . "i.cc")
	       ("\\.hh\\'" . "i.hh")
	       ("\\.c\\'" . "i.c")
	       ("\\.h\\'" . "i.h")
	       ("\\.icc\\'" . "i.icc")))
       ))

(cond ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
	    (>= emacs-major-version 19)
	    (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
       ;;
       ;; Code requiring XEmacs version 19.14 or newer goes here
       ;;
	;(load-library "autoinsert")
       (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'auto-insert)
       (setq auto-insert-directory (expand-file-name
"~sme/xemacs/templates/"))
       (setq auto-insert-alist 
	     '(("\\.cc\\'" . "i.cc")
	       ("\\.hh\\'" . "i.hh")
	       ("\\.c\\'" . "i.c")
	       ("\\.h\\'" . "i.h")
	       ("\\.icc\\'" . "i.icc")))
       ))

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From: Aleksandar Milivojevic <alex@srce.hr>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: xemacs 19.14 dumps core on ultrix 4.3
Date: 04 Oct 1996 09:42:54 +0200
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I compiled xemacs 19.14 on machine running ultrix 4.3. It compiled
almost out-of-the-box (I had to add option "-G 0"). I compiled it with
make CFLAGS='-g -G 0'. Compiler is gcc version 2.7.2.

Anyway, here is what xemacs prints after I try to start it, and what
gdb found in core file...


regoc$ ./src/xemacs 

Fatal error (11).
Your files have been auto-saved.
Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.

Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
directory), and type

  gdb /usr/users/alex/mirror/temp/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs core

then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

regoc$ gdb ./src/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.16 (mips-dec-ultrix4.3), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x70b5e8 in kill () at ../kill.s:18
../kill.s:18: No such file or directory.
(gdb) where
#0  0x70b5e8 in kill () at ../kill.s:18
#1  0x444190 in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:193
#2  0x444178 in fatal_error_signal (sig=11) at emacs.c:170
#3  <signal handler called>
#4  0x5aeff4 in _free_internal (ptr=0x5393c4) at gmalloc.c:906
#5  0x5af2f0 in free (ptr=0x5393c4) at gmalloc.c:954
#6  0x6a329c in XtFree () at Alloc.c:222
#7  0x682b7c in TopLevelSetValues () at Shell.c:2254
#8  0x67bda0 in CallSetValues () at SetValues.c:93
#9  0x67bce8 in CallSetValues () at SetValues.c:84
#10 0x67c3b0 in XtSetValues () at SetValues.c:211
#11 0x69a994 in XtVaSetValues () at VarCreate.c:229
#12 0x56d4d0 in x_wm_set_variable_size (wmshell=0x101cd610, width=10, 
    height=10) at frame-x.c:247
#13 0x5b220c in EmacsFrameSetCharSize (widget=0x10262010, columns=10, rows=10)
    at EmacsFrame.c:575
#14 0x572bc0 in x_set_frame_size (f=0x1019a500, cols=10, rows=10)
    at frame-x.c:1881
#15 0x4a8b10 in internal_set_frame_size (f=0x1019a500, cols=10, rows=10, 
    pretend=0) at frame.c:2465
#16 0x4a8df4 in Fset_frame_size (frame=270116096, cols=10, rows=10, 
    pretend=269717508) at frame.c:2516
#17 0x483114 in update_EmacsFrame (frame=270116096, name=269817108)
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    at faces.c:1668
#18 0x4834d8 in update_frame_face_values (f=0x1019a500) at faces.c:1715
#19 0x5721cc in x_init_frame_2 (f=0x1019a500, props=269717508)
    at frame-x.c:1713
#20 0x4a25ec in Fmake_frame (props=269717508, device=270477824) at frame.c:495
#21 0x44e988 in primitive_funcall (fn=0x4a1f4c <Fmake_frame>, nargs=2, 
    args=0x7fffb48c) at eval.c:3486
#22 0x44f004 in funcall_subr (subr=0x1001fab0, args=0x7fffb48c) at eval.c:3526
#23 0x44d97c in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=269815324, nargs=2, 
    args=0x7fffb488) at eval.c:3207
#24 0x44dbac in Ffuncall (nargs=3, args=0x7fffb488) at eval.c:3253
#25 0x417f34 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=805601324, vector=1074036848, maxdepth=5)
    at bytecode.c:450
#26 0x44f658 in funcall_lambda (fun=268730552, nargs=0, arg_vector=0x7fffb5f4)
    at eval.c:3636
#27 0x44d9e4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=270253500, nargs=0, 
    args=0x7fffb5f0) at eval.c:3210
#28 0x44dbac in Ffuncall (nargs=1, args=0x7fffb5f0) at eval.c:3253
#29 0x417f34 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=805883340, vector=1074318912, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#30 0x44f658 in funcall_lambda (fun=269012740, nargs=0, arg_vector=0x7fffb754)
    at eval.c:3636
#31 0x44d9e4 in funcall_recording_as (recorded_as=270535260, nargs=0, 
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
    args=0x7fffb750) at eval.c:3210
#32 0x44dbac in Ffuncall (nargs=1, args=0x7fffb750) at eval.c:3253
#33 0x417f34 in Fbyte_code (bytestr=805882080, vector=1074317616, maxdepth=4)
    at bytecode.c:450
#34 0x44f658 in funcall_lambda (fun=269011552, nargs=0, arg_vector=0x7fffb830)
    at eval.c:3636
#35 0x44f1a0 in apply_lambda (fun=269011552, numargs=0, 
    unevalled_args=269717508) at eval.c:3559
#36 0x44d2e8 in Feval (form=538711012) at eval.c:3068
#37 0x449c60 in condition_case_1 (handlers=269717604, bfun=0x44c898 <Feval>, 
    barg=538711012, hfun=0x420404 <cmd_error>, harg=269717508) at eval.c:1672
#38 0x42050c in top_level_1 (dummy=269717508) at cmdloop.c:194
#39 0x44960c in internal_catch (tag=269794724, func=0x4204ac <top_level_1>, 
    arg=269717508, threw=0x0) at eval.c:1347
#40 0x420678 in initial_command_loop (load_me=269717508) at cmdloop.c:253
#41 0x445624 in main_1 (argc=1, argv=0x7fffbda4, envp=0x7fffbdac)
    at emacs.c:1317
#42 0x445eb8 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffbda4, envp=0x7fffbdac) at emacs.c:1461
Current language:  auto; currently asm
(gdb) 

-- 
Aleksandar Milivojevic                        http://jagor.srce.hr/~alex/
                           e-mail: alex@srce.hr
================================ooooO=Ooooo==============================
        "I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important
         operating system, and possibly program, of all time."
                   -- Bill Gates, OS/2 Programmer's Guide foreward, 1987

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Hi Steven,

> pstogif is part of latex2html, and is available at:
> 
> ftp://ftp.tohoku.ac.jp/pub/TeX/latex-styles/bear_collections/latex2html/latex2html.tar.gz
> 
> If there are any better locations, I'd like to know.  An altavista
> search on ``pstogif'' is not very useful.

latex2html is best found at the CTAN hosts and their mirrors
in "tex-archive/support/latex2html"

CTAN hosts are

ftp.tex.ac.uk
ftp.dante.de

their is a good mirror at ftp.cdrom.com apparently.

As to searching. Good old archie als gets some matches on ps2gif

Jan



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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

| 27.9.96, Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>
| 
| >>>>> "DH" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:
| 
| DH> It continues to surprise me that there is a sh / ksh mode for emacs,
| DH> but not a csh / tcsh mode.  Anyone know of one?
| 
| Um, why in blazes would you want one?  Did you not know that trying to
| write C shell scripts is hazardous to your health?  Tom Christiansen's
| article on the topic is widely distributed; you should read it.

In case one does a simple things it doesn't matter which shell
language one uses. I've written solely in csh for years and never 
encountered the problems Tom mentions about in his article.

Nowadays any more complicated task is programmed in Perl, that's
why the use of shell language doesn't matter much. IMHO.

But it's good to know the csh limitations, or advantages (that's why I
use it, it has nice :e :h etc. modifiers for variables.)

Cheers!
/jari
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I'm not quite sure how to define the problem so I describe the context
in which it occurs.

XEmacs is running on unix box console. All out-going mail includes an
"FCC: sentmail" parameter so that each email is saved in file
"sentmail".  Occassionally when reading mail with rmail (on console) I
access the sentmail file also with the "i" command.

The problem occurs when I logon to the console from remote tty.  When
XEmacs is fired up as tty and I try to send email, the mini-buffer
reports that the sentmail file is locked and offers several options to
deal with this.  There is no way however to activate any of the
options since the cursor is never moved to minibuffer.  Also it
appears that the sentmail file is locked despite the fact that the
file has been saved from the console.  This problem never occurred
using 19.13.

Env: Sol2.5, SS10 and tty (remote), XEmacs-19.14, mail and rmail.

Any insights/fixes would be appreciated.  If I stated problem poorly
and more info required would be happy to provide.

Andy

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For purposes of text highlighting in a C file, can I make xemacs
recognize that \*/ is the end of a comment. The problem
is that everything after /*\ is colored as a comment (purple in my
case).

	/*\
		This is a comment.
	\*/

	printf("But this is colored purple in xemacs.\n");
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Hi,

I put the following in my .emacs file

   (display-column-mode)

to show the current line/column number on the modeline. 
But, both the line and column number start from 0
instead of 1. 

If I comment out the above line in my .emacs and put 
the following instead, 

   (setq line-number-mode t)

the line number starts from 1 (and of course there
is no column number there). Why? 

I want to see both line and column number in the
modeline. How do I set the starting line/column
number to 1 and not 0?

Thanks very much.

Rita
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From: Andrew DeFaria <defaria@cup.hp.com>
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Sumit Das wrote:
> 
> Hi netters
> 
> I am running CDE 1.0.2 on a SUN workstation running Solaris
> 2.5. I am running XEMACS 19.14 and have set my .emacs file such
> that when I click on a URL from either GNUS or mail reader it
> opens the URL in the Netscape process that is already running on
> my m/c.
> 
> I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
> another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
> Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I
> now have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing
> with the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help
> in any way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So
> that the URL opens and the netscape window does not occupy my
> XEMACS workspace too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).
> 
> This is true with other applications too. SO I think I am
> missing out something in CDE and hence I am posting this to both
> the CDE and XEMACS newsgroups.

Back in the days of VUE (whence CDE mostly hailed from) there was a
resource that directed, at least some of this behaviour. The name
escapes me now. Perhaps a through reading of the man page or online help
looking for Resources might yield the name.

Anyway, this resource had I believe two settings.... err... Oh yeah it
was absentMapBehaviour. The settings were something like Move or Add. I
believe the default is Add which explains your current behaviour, the
window that was called to raise itself is added to the current
workspace. One easier way out of this is to use Alt-Shift-F4 which was
defined as Remove from Workspace. If this was the only workspace that
this application was in it would do nothing. (Better than attempted to
quickly switch workspaces). 

The move setting says to move the application from its original
workspace to the current workspace. If you can tolerate the idea of
"Netscape follows you around" then this is the option for you.

I had originally requested this functionality during Vue alpha testing
because my style of emacs usage is every file has it's own window. Thus
when I visited a buffer that was already sitting in another workspace as
an icon it merely got normalized and the immediate reaction from me was
that that request failed (after all I never saw the window come up). I
am also curious as to why you would want to have Netscape in another
workspace change pages on you? This requires that you need to switch
over to that workspace to read any of the information. My needs are
usually that by far I would want to see the web page here, in this
workspace where I'm working than to have to switch off to another
workspace, read the material and switch back. Instead I use Add and read
the material then Alt-Shift-F4 to remove the window from this workspace
(and only if it is bothering me because the chances are that you might
do that same operation again).

Another trick that I constantly find useful is to start up certain apps
such that they are in all workspaces, however then iconified they "hide"
*under* the FrontPanel. This way all I need to so is iconify the window.
Usually I have defined a FrontPanel control button to access this
application. For exmaple, under my FrontPanel are my mailer (Netscape),
my Console (A single local window that receives Console output), my
Audio Control Panel, etc.
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I've migrated to xemacs 19.14 recently from GNU, and 
one thing that bugs the %$&^ out of me is that dbx/gud
mode beeps and complains that the Mark isn't set right
every time I hit return to execute a dbx command.  Is
there a way around this, or is someone trying to annoy
me into using eos/workshop mode?  Thx,

rick


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Never mind, I restarted Xemacs, and it is working as advertised.
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From: John S Cooper <jsc@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: VM & vm-netscape-program: how to give it arguments?
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>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

 >>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

 Des> So how can I make XEmacs pass "-display :0.1" to "netscape" ?

 Steven> Put this in your .emacs before you load VM:

 Steven> (setq browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape) (setq
 Steven> browse-url-netscape-arguments '("display" ":0.1"))

The original question was w.r.t VM, and the above variable isn't consulted
by VM - instead, it directly hard-codes the arguments it passes to netscape
(see vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape in vm-mouse.el):

    (or (equal 0 (vm-run-command vm-netscape-program "-remote" 
                                 (concat "openURL(" url
                                         (if new-window ", new-window" "")
                                         ")")))

I wanted to add a "-noraise" option, so I redefined the above function and
added it directly by hand...

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From: John S Cooper <jsc@Eng.Sun.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.cde,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: CDE/XEMACS/Netscape
Date: 04 Oct 1996 14:51:19 -0700
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>> "Sumit" == Sumit Das <sumit@kural.uncg.edu> writes:

 Sumit> I have Netscape running on one workspace and XEMACS running on
 Sumit> another. So when I click, it opens the URL in Netscape but also
 Sumit> Occupies Netscape in the workspace where XEMACS is running. So I now
 Sumit> have netscape window in both the workspaces. I tries playing with
 Sumit> the window ID that netscape provides but that does not help in any
 Sumit> way. Could somebody point me in the right direction, So that the URL
 Sumit> opens and the netscape window does not occupy my XEMACS workspace
 Sumit> too (basically does not occupy 2 workspaces).

If you're experiencing this problem when using VM, try adding this to your
.emacs:

(defun vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape (url &optional new-netscape new-window)
  (vm-unsaved-message "Sending URL to Netscape...")
  (if new-netscape
      (vm-run-background-command vm-netscape-program url)
    (or (equal 0 (vm-run-command vm-netscape-program "-noraise" "-remote"
                                 (concat "openURL(" url
                                         (if new-window ", new-window" "")
                                         ")")))
        (vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape url t new-window)))
  (vm-unsaved-message "Sending URL to Netscape... done"))


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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: OO-Browser dead?
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The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the mailing list
won't allow me to subscribe.

Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report problems or
bugs?  Supposedly, the mailing list is for this purpose.

Is anyone even using it?

Thanks.

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>>>>> On 01 Oct 1996 13:48:22 +0200, Per Abrahamsen said:
> johnmac@hpqs0215.sqf.hp.com (John Macartney) writes:
>> I have a source file that is used to generate several different
>> variants.  Each variant has parts which are #ifdef'd.
>> What I would like is a way to *exclude* parts of the file that I am
>> not currently interested in, whilst editing other parts.


Where can I find this hide-ifdef package?


-- 
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phone: 415.267.1287							San Francisco, CA 94105 

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Any possibility that this exists?  Help - too many frsjdkfing windows.
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I'm trying to compile 19.14 on a Linux/SPARC host and here's what I get:

EMACSLOADPATH="/tmp/xemacs-19.14/src/../lisp/prim"   ./temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump
WDISP30: f91d48a0: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d48d8: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d48e8: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d480c: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4920: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4948: 0x40000000
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 17 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 17 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 11 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 11 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 11 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 11 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 17 ''
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 17 ''
WDISP30: f91d4a4c: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4a50: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4a88: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4b24: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4b38: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4e80: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4e90: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4eac: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4ec0: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4f68: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4fc4: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4fd4: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4ffc: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d4f0c: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d403c: 0x40000000
WDISP30: f91d404c: 0x40000000
./temacs: 2 can't resolve symbol 10 ''
WDISP30: f91d4074: 0x40000000
[...] this goes on and on.

Any hints/suggestions ? I've solved all the obvious problems that arose
(compiling w/ socks5 support, png, X libs, etc). Now, however, I'm
stuck.

--Jan.

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Dear Rita,

here is my .emacs for Xemacs 19.14 and at the end the elisp file rb.el
which I place in ~/elisp and which contains a modeline customization
with column number starting at 1 and also the display of the total 
number of lines in the buffer.
There are a few more useful functions. In case you use Emacs, you have 
to change redraw-modeline to force-mode-line-update.

This should help you.
Greetings,

Remo Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
Nonlinear dynamics and
Stochastic processes
5232 Villigen
Switzerland
badii @ psi.ch


;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and
            (= emacs-major-version 19)
            (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
           (= emacs-major-version 20))
       (fboundp 'load-options-file))
  (load-options-file "~/.xemacs-options")))
;; ============================
;; End of Options Menu Settings

; General settings:
(setq inhibit-startup-message t)
; Enable several backup files:
(setq version-control t)
; Enable auto-wrap for some modes:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
; Set auto-line-wrap at 72:
(setq-default fill-column 72)
; Set tab at 6th column:
(setq-default tab-width 6)

;; "Visual" improvements:

; Change the shape of the pointer in the window both on text and on blanks.
; Default is "xterm"; also availale
; dot, sb_h(or v)_double_arrow, sb_up(down)_arrow, left(right)_ptr, 
; watch, cross, and many more:
(set-glyph-image text-pointer-glyph "left_ptr")
(set-glyph-image nontext-pointer-glyph "cross")

; Change icon glyph
(set-glyph-image frame-icon-glyph "/home/pss025/lus/badii/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/cthomp.xpm")

; Force display of line/column number (column-number-mode 1) also works
; but doesn't allow full modeline customization as made, e.g., in rb.el:
(line-number-mode 1)                   

; Set colours for second entry in modeline to be the same as for minor-mode:
(set-extent-face modeline-buffer-id-left-extent 'modeline-mousable-minor-mode)

; Associate additional file extensions to various modes:
(setq auto-mode-alist
	(append '(("\\.bashrc$"  . ksh-mode)
		    ("\\.xinitrc$" . ksh-mode))
		  auto-mode-alist))
; Don't let the pointer stay at end of line when moving vertically:
(setq track-eol nil)
; Prevent down-arrow-key from adding blank lines at the bottom of the text:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)
; Set scrolling to one line only:
(setq-default scroll-step 1)
(setq scroll-step 1)
; Simplify yes-no questions:
(fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p)
; Minibuffer resizing
(autoload 'resize-minibuffer-mode "rsz-minibuf" nil t)
(resize-minibuffer-mode)
(setq resize-minibuffer-window-exactly nil)

; Unset annoying key bindings: 
; C-x f, which sets the line-wrap column to the present position,
(global-unset-key "\C-xf")
; M-k, which deletes a sentence,
(global-unset-key "\M-k")
; C-j, which performs mode-specific indenting operations (remains active
; in TeX-mode, however, despite the local-unset-key: see rb-LaTeX-setup)
(global-unset-key "\C-j")
(local-unset-key "\C-j")

;;;; Console-type dependent definitions
(if (eq (console-type) 'x)
  (progn
    (message "The console type is %s." (console-type)) ; X-window
    (blink-cursor-mode t))                             ; Blinking cursor
  (progn
    (message "The console type is %s." (console-type)) ; tty console
    (blink-cursor-mode 0))                             ; Non-blinking cursor
)

;;;; Loading libraries and require statements:

;; Definition of a personal elisp directory:

(defconst rb-elisp-path-root (expand-file-name "~/elisp"))
(defconst rb-auctex-path-root (expand-file-name "~/auctex-9.4g"))

; added only if not member of load-path already.
  (if (null (member rb-elisp-path-root load-path))
      (setq load-path (cons rb-elisp-path-root load-path)))
  (if (null (member rb-auctex-path-root load-path))
      (setq load-path (cons rb-auctex-path-root load-path)))

(require 'cl)     ; Common Lisp extensions (.../lisp/cl/cl.el)
(require 'tinycb) ; J. Aalto's circulate buffers utility
(load "rb")       ; Personal library

;;;; Key bindings

;; Delete-backspace:

(keyboard-translate 'delete     'deletechar)
(keyboard-translate 'backspace  'delete)
;; Hence:
;; <backspace>=DEL (view lossage), performs backward-delete-char-untabify;
;; <delete>=deletechar,            performs delete-char.
;; Later, refer to <delete> as "deletechar" and to <backspace> as "delete", 
;; as, e.g., in (global-set-key '[(control) (delete)] 'something).
;
; The following line, though, has no effect!
; (global-set-key '(delete) 'delete-backward-char)
;
; None of the above works in tty.
; Alternative working in x-windows: (load "delbackspace")
;; End Delete-backspace

;; F-key bindings:

;; F1 goes to the beginning of the next line
(global-set-key 'f1 'forward-line)
;; Shift-F1 goes to the end of the next line
(global-set-key '(shift f1) 'rb-end-next-line)
;; Ctrl-F1 executes goto-line
(global-set-key '(control f1) 'goto-line)
;; F2 cuts marked region
(global-set-key 'f2 'kill-region)
;; F3 copies marked region to kill-ring
(global-set-key 'f3 'kill-ring-save)
;; F4 pastes region
(global-set-key 'f4 'yank)
;; Shift-F4 pastes older kills
(global-set-key '(shift f4) 'yank-pop)
;; F5 sets the mark
(global-set-key 'f5 'rb-set-mark)
;; Shift F5 unmarks the region
(global-set-key '(shift f5) 'keyboard-quit)
;; F6 marks a line
(global-set-key 'f6 'rb-mark-line)
;; Shift F6 unmarks the region
(global-set-key '(shift f6) 'keyboard-quit)
;; F7 `Delete-line'
(global-set-key 'f7 'rb-delete-line)
;; Shift F7 `undo'
(global-set-key '(shift f7) 'undo)
;; F8 `delete-to-end-of-line'
(global-set-key 'f8 'kill-line)
;; F9 `open-line'
(global-set-key 'f9 'rb-open-line)
;; Shift F9 opens line before the current one
(global-set-key '(shift f9) 'rb-open-up-line)
;; Control F9 'duplicate-line'
(global-set-key '(control f9) 'rb-dup-line)
;; F10 `save-buffer'
(global-set-key 'f10 'save-buffer)
(global-set-key '(shift f10) 'save-some-buffer)
;; F11 repeats search forward
(global-set-key 'f11 'isearch-repeat-forward)
(global-set-key '(shift f11) 'word-search-forward)
;; F12 repeats search backward
(global-set-key 'f12 'isearch-repeat-backward)
(global-set-key '(shift f12) 'word-search-backward)

;; Control-key bindings:

(global-set-key '(control b)       'rb-show-buffers)
(global-set-key '(control e)       'rb-save-and-quit)
(global-set-key '(control f)       'rb-flip)
(global-set-key '(control j)       'rb-join-line)
(global-set-key '(control n)       'ticb-next-buffer)
(global-set-key '(control o)       'find-file)
(global-set-key '(control p)       'ticb-previous-buffer)
(global-set-key '(control q)       'rb-kill-buffer)
(global-set-key '(control w)       'write-file)
(global-set-key '(control left)    'rb-back-word)
(global-set-key '(control right)   'rb-for-word)

;; Meta-key bindings:

(global-set-key '(meta r)          'query-replace)
(global-set-key '(meta left)       'beginning-of-line)
(global-set-key '(meta right)      'end-of-line)
(global-set-key '(meta down)       'scroll-up)
(global-set-key '(meta up)         'scroll-down)
(global-set-key '(meta -)          'rb-k-back-word)
(global-set-key '(meta =)          'rb-k-for-word)

;; Other key bindings:

(global-set-key '(up)              'rb-mrkl-up)
(global-set-key '(down)            'rb-mrkl-down)
(global-set-key '(home)            'rb-home-key)
(global-set-key '(end)             'rb-end-key)
(global-set-key '(prior)           'rb-page-up)
(global-set-key '(next)            'rb-page-down)

(global-set-key '(control next)    'rb-wrap-para)
(global-set-key '(control prior)   'rb-wrap-para)
(global-set-key '(control meta d)  'rb-dos-to-unix)

;;;; TeX-related definitions

; Auctex-Library initialization:
; The latest (26 June 1996) tex-site.el is in both
; /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/ and
; /usr/local/src/auctex-9.4g/ ; the .elc file is in 
; /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/auctex.

(require  'tex-site)
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook   'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook 'rb-LaTeX-setup)

(defun rb-LaTeX-setup ()
  "Customization for LaTeX"
  (LaTeX-math-mode)
  (setq fill-column 76)
  (local-set-key '(control j) 'rb-join-line)
  )
(setq LaTeX-math-list '(
  (?e "varepsilon" "greek") ; Added to the greek menu
  (?w "omega " "greek")     ; blank to distinguish from existing `o = omega
                            ; Personal additions in menu rb:
  (?_ "emptyset" "rb")      ; redefined from default `0 in Misc Symbol
  (?0 "ldots" "rb")         ; default was not assigned
                            ; Not assignable to a menu:
  (?1 rb-bf)
  (?2 rb-it)
  (?3 rb-ref)
  (?4 rb-cite)
  (?5 rb-subscr)
  (?6 rb-supscr)
  (?7 "to")
  (?8 rb-limit)
  (?9 "sum")
))

;;;; Lisp-related definitions

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'rb-lisp-setup)

(defun rb-lisp-setup ()
  "Customization for Lisp"
; temporary:
(global-set-key '(meta a)       'rb-find-tag-1)
(global-set-key '(meta b)       'rb-find-tag-2)
)

(setq minibuffer-max-depth nil)

;;; End of .emacs


;;; rb.el follows:

;;;; Personal function/variable/constant definitions by R. Badii (rb-)
;;
;; Invaluable help has been received in several forms (either direct or 
;; indirect as, e.g., via the (X)emacs newsgroups) by several people, among
;; whom I wish to thank particularly the following: 
;; Jari Aalto, Stephen Eglen, Kai Grossjohann, Jens Emmerich, Andreas Schwab, 
;; Andy Norman, Chris Madsen, Chris Ryder, Gary Dezern, Uri Blumenthal.
;;

; Modeline customization (see modeline.el for defaults): 

(defvar rb-mode-line-count nil
   "Total number of lines in the buffer converted to a formatted string.")

(defvar rb-cols-plus-one nil
   "Column number plus one (i.e., the column at which the cursor appears), 
converted to a formatted string.")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-mode-line-count)
(make-variable-buffer-local 'rb-cols-plus-one)

(defun rb-mode-line-count ()
  "Returns the total number of lines in the current buffer and 
the current column, starting at column 1, into strings stored in 
the variables rb-mode-line-count and rb-cols-plus-one, respectively,
suitable for display in the modeline."
  (if line-number-mode
	(progn
	  (setq rb-mode-line-count (format "/%i " (count-lines 1 (point-max)))
		  rb-cols-plus-one (format "Column: %i" (+ (current-column) 1)))
	  (redraw-modeline))))

; Add function mode-line-count to post-command-hook:
 (or (memq 'rb-mode-line-count post-command-hook)
     (add-hook 'post-command-hook 'rb-mode-line-count))

(defconst modeline-modified (purecopy '(" %1*%1+ "))
  "Modeline control for displaying whether current buffer is modified.")

(defconst modeline-prev-buf (char-to-string 174)
  "Modeline mousable symbol for switching to the previous buffer: e.g.,
character 174 yields the registered-trade-mark symbol.")

(defconst modeline-buffer-identification
  (list (cons modeline-buffer-id-left-extent 'modeline-prev-buf)
	(cons modeline-buffer-id-right-extent (purecopy " %14b")))
  "Modeline control for identifying the buffer being displayed.
When the mouse pointer is on the symbol preceding the buffer name, 
button 2 switches to the previous buffer; when on the buffer name, 
it switches to the next one. Major modes that edit objects other than 
ordinary files (e.g., Info, Dired, ...) may change this format.")

; The following is the format of the modeline:

(setq-default modeline-format
	      (list (purecopy "")
		    (cons modeline-modified-extent
			  'modeline-modified)
		    (cons modeline-buffer-id-extent
			    (list ""
			  'modeline-buffer-identification ": "))
		    (purecopy "")
		    'global-mode-string
		    (purecopy "%[")        ; spaces and "(" after %[ removed
		    (cons modeline-minor-mode-extent
			  (list "" 'mode-name 'minor-mode-alist " "))
		    (cons modeline-narrowed-extent "%n")
		    'modeline-process
		    (purecopy "%]")        ; removed ")" before %]
		    (purecopy '(line-number-mode "   Line: %l"))
		    (purecopy 'rb-mode-line-count)
		    (purecopy 'rb-cols-plus-one)
		    (purecopy " ")         ; blank inserted
		    (purecopy '(-3 . "%p"))
		    (purecopy "                            ")))
; The final blanks prevent the mouse pointer from triggering the
; "toggle-read-only" function (caused by make-modeline-wrapper).
; Excess blanks are ignored.

; End of modeline customization

; Constants:

(defconst rb-word-chars  "a-zA-Z0-9"
   "Set of characters constituting a word.")

(defconst rb-nonw-eol  "^a-zA-Z0-9\n"
   "Set of characters neither in rb-word-chars, nor eol.")

(defconst rb-nonword  "^a-zA-Z0-9"
   "Set of characters not in rb-word-chars.")

(defconst rb-blank-tab  " \t"
   "Set containing blank and tab.")

; TAGS: they enable viewing function definitions via the command
; Meta-. function-name. Implementation: 
; 1) Create a file ETAGS with a script containing the lines
;      tagsfile=/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS
;      xlisp=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/
;      etags `find $xlisp -name '*.el' -print` -o $tagsfile
; 2) In order to have only a few files, improve the above by restricting
;    the choice (possibly writing their names to a file);
; 3) Include the present file rb.el in the list as well.
; 4) Include the following two commands in .emacs
;    (setq tag-table-alist
;          '(("\\.el$" . "/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS")))
;    (visit-tags-table "/home/user/elisp/tags/ETAGS")
;
; Temporary solution (see functions rb-find-tag-n below and 
;                     corresponding key bindings in .emacs):

(defconst rb-tags-file1
  (expand-file-name "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/simple.el"))

(defconst rb-tags-file2
  (expand-file-name "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/files.el"))

;;;; Variables:

(defvar rb-mark-line-p nil 
  "Flag used by rb-mrkl-down and -up to handle region extensions. Set to nil
by rb-set-mark and to true by rb-mark-line.")

;;;; Functions:

(defun rb-find-tag-1 ()
"Opens the Xemacs system file rb-tags-file1."
  (interactive)
  (find-file rb-tags-file1))

(defun rb-find-tag-2 ()
"Opens the Xemacs system file rb-tags-file2."
  (interactive)
  (find-file rb-tags-file2))

(defun rb-show-buffers ()
  "Show buffer menu in a popup window"
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(defun rb-save-and-quit ()
  "Saves and quits the current buffer"
  (interactive "*")
  (save-buffer)
  (kill-buffer nil))

(defun rb-kill-buffer ()
  "Quits the current buffer without asking for confirmation if not modified."
  (interactive)                     ; The asterisk is missing to prevent
  (if (eq buffer-read-only t)       ; an error message if buffer is read-only
	(kill-buffer nil)             ; If read-only, just quit,
    (if (not (buffer-modified-p))   ; else, if not modified
	  (rb-save-and-quit)          ; save and quit or, if modified,
	(kill-buffer nil)))           ; quit (with explicit confirmation,
  )                                 ; as of command kill-buffer.

(defun rb-delete-line ()
  "Deletes the current line"
  (interactive "*")
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (eolp)          ; If beginning of line and eol coincide
	(kill-line)     ; just kill-line
    (progn            ; otherwise, the line is not blank and one more
	(kill-line)     ; line and a character must be deleted.
	(delete-char 1))))

(defun rb-dup-line ()
  "Duplicates the current line"
  (interactive "*")
  (save-excursion
    (beginning-of-line)
    (insert
      (buffer-substring (point)
                        (save-excursion
                          (forward-line 1)
                          (point))))))

(defun rb-join-line ()
  "Joins current and next line adding a space at the junction"
  (interactive "*")
  (end-of-line)
  (delete-char 1) 
  (fixup-whitespace))

(defun rb-open-line ()
  "Opens a new line from any position in the current one"
  (interactive "*")
  (end-of-line)
  (newline))

(defun rb-open-up-line ()
  "Opens a new line before the current one"
  (interactive "*")
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (not (bobp))
	(progn
	  (forward-line -1)
	  (end-of-line)
	  (newline)
	  )
    (newline)))

(defun rb-end-next-line ()
  "Goes to the end of the next line extending the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (forward-line)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-home-key ()
  "If the cursor is not at bol, it goes to bol; otherwise it goes to the 
beginning of the previous line. Extends the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (bobp))
	(if (bolp)
	    (forward-line -1)
	  (beginning-of-line))))

(defun rb-end-key ()
  "If the cursor is not at eol, it goes to eol; otherwise it goes to the
end of the next line. Extends the region if it exists.
The command (setq zmacs-region-stays t) at the end of the defun is
equivalent to (interactive \"_\") and is closer to the emacs syntax."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (eobp))
	(if (eolp)
	    (progn
		(forward-line)
		(end-of-line))
	  (end-of-line))))

(defun rb-page-down ()
  "Moves the cursor down window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (let ((wdh (window-displayed-height)))
  (forward-line wdh)))

(defun rb-page-up ()
  "Moves the text up window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (let ((wdh (window-displayed-height)))
  (forward-line (- wdh))))

(defun rb-wrap-para ()
  "Wraps (i.e., fills and justifies, leaving whitespace untouched except
at newlines) the region if this is active; if not, wraps the current
line."
  (interactive "*")
  (if (region-active-p)
	(fill-region (point) (mark) t t)
    (progn 
	(beginning-of-line)
	(set-mark-command nil)
	(end-of-line)
	(fill-region (point) (mark))
	(delete-backward-char 1))))

(defun rb-set-mark ()
  "Places the mark at point and sets rb-mark-line-p to nil."
  (interactive)
  (setq rb-mark-line-p nil)
  (set-mark-command nil))

(defun rb-mark-line ()
  "Marks the current line"
  (interactive)
  (setq rb-mark-line-p t)
  (beginning-of-line)
  (set-mark-command nil)
  (end-of-line))

(defun rb-for-word ()
  "Conditional forward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at eol,          go to the first non-blank character on the next line;
if on space or tab, go to the next non-blank character; 
if in a word,       go to the first non-blank character past the current word;
if elsewhere,       go to the next word-beginning or to eol."
  (interactive "_")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ 1 (point)))))
    (if (eolp)                                ; If at eol, 
	  (progn                                ; go to the
	    (forward-line 1)                    ; next line,
	    (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab)   ; first non-blank character
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]"  curr)        ; If the cursor is on a
	    (progn                              ; space or tab, then go
		(skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) ; to the next non-blank
		)
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" curr) ; else (not at eol) but
          (progn                              ; on a word constituent, then
		(skip-chars-forward rb-word-chars); go to next non-blank 
		(skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) ; past current word
	    )
          (progn                              ; anything else, then
		(skip-chars-forward rb-nonw-eol)  ; go to the next word or eol
	    )
	  )))                                   ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-back-word ()
  "Conditional backward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at bol,               go back until a non-blank character is found;
if after a space or tab, go to the previous non-blank character, but 
if at beg-of-word,       go to the previous word beginning or non-blank;
if inside a word,        go to the first character of the current word;
if elsewhere,            go to the previous non-blank."
  (interactive "_")
  (let  (( prch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
    (if (bolp)                                      ; if at beginning of line,
	  (progn                                      ; then
	    (forward-line -1)                         ; go to the previous line
	    (end-of-line)                             ; at the and and on
	    (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab)        ; the last non-blank.
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]"  prch)              ; if after a space or tab,
	    (progn                                    ; go to the previous
		(skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab)      ; non-blank.
		(let (( pprch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
		  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" pprch)   ; if on a word, skip
			(skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)  ; back one word, else
		    (backward-char))                       ; back one char
		  )                                        ; end inner let
		)
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" prch)       ; if after a word
		(progn                                  ; constituent, go 
		  (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)   ; back to beg-of-word
		  )
          (progn                              ; anything else,
		    (backward-char)               ; back one character
		)
	    )))                                 ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-k-for-word ()
  "Conditional kill-forward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at eol,                 join next line and leave one blank character;
if on space, tab, or word, kill forward until a non-blank character is found; 
if elsewhere,              delete current character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ 1 (point)))))
    (if (eolp)                                ; If at eol, 
	  (progn                                ; same as rb-join-line
	    (delete-char 1)
	    (fixup-whitespace)
	    )
	(if (string-match "[ \t]" curr)         ; If on a space
	    (progn                              ; or tab, then kill
		(kill-region (point)              ; next blanks and tabs
				 (progn 
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) (point))
		 ))                               ; closing the two progn's
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" curr) ; else, if on a 
		(progn                            ; word constituent, then
		(kill-region (point)              ; kill forward until
				 (progn               ; a non-blank is found
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-word-chars)
				   (skip-chars-forward rb-blank-tab) (point))
				 )
		)
          (progn                              ; anything else, then
		(delete-char 1)                   ; delete current character
	    )
	  )))                                   ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-k-back-word ()
  "Conditional kill-backward word. The action depends on the cursor position:
if at bol,                 delete previous character;
if after a space or tab,   delete previous blanks and tabs;
after a word constituent,  delete previous word and previous blanks;
if elsewhere,              delete backward character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( prch (buffer-substring (- (point) 1) (point))))
    (if (bolp)                                ; If at bol, 
	    (delete-backward-char 1)            ; delete previous character
	(if (string-match "[ \t]" prch)         ; If after a space or tab,
	    (kill-region (point)                ; kill previous
			     (progn                 ; blanks and tabs
				 (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab) (point)))
	  (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z0-9]" prch) ; else, if after a word
		(kill-region (point)              ; constituent, kill backward
				 (progn               ; until a non-blank is found
				   (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars)
				   (skip-chars-backward rb-blank-tab) (point))
				 )
	    (progn                              ; if after anything else,
	     (delete-backward-char 1))          ; delete previous character
	   )))                                  ; closing of the three if's
    )                                         ; end let
  )                                           ; end defun

(defun rb-mrkl-down ()
  "If the region is active, it lets the down-key mark by lines;
otherwise, performs next-line."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (eobp))                    ; If at end-of-buffer, no action
	(if (and (region-active-p) rb-mark-line-p) ; If both region and line
                                      ; marking mode are active, then
	    (let ((bef (point))                 
		    aft)
		(save-excursion
		  (save-excursion
		    (end-of-line)         ; Looking for the aft(er)
		    (setq aft (point)))   ; position of point.
		  (if (< aft (point-max)) ; This is to avoid unmarking
			(progn              ; if an end of buffer
			  (forward-line)    ; error is generated
			  (setq aft (point))))
		  )                       ; here, the aft(er) position is found
	    (if (>= (point) (mark))     ; If (1): if point lower than mark
		  (if (bolp)              ; go down one line if already at bol
			(forward-line)      ; else, extend the mark to the
		    (forward-line 2)      ; next line as a whole
			)
		(if (and (>= (mark) bef ) (< (mark) aft)) ; If (2): here the 
                                      ; point is above the mark: if it moves
			(progn              ; below it, reset mark at beg-of-line
			  (goto-char (mark))
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (set-mark-command nil)
			  (forward-line 2))
		    (forward-line)        ; else, forward line
		    )                     ; end if (2)
		)                         ; end if (1)  
	    )                           ; end let
	  (next-line 1)                 ; if not active, go down
	  )                             ; end outermost if
    )
)                                     ; end defun

(defun rb-mrkl-up ()
  "If the region is active, it lets the up-key mark by lines;
otherwise, performs previous-line."
  (interactive "_")
  (if (not (bobp))                           ; If at beg-of-buffer, no action
	(if (and (region-active-p) rb-mark-line-p) ; If both region and line
	    (let ((bef (point))                ; marking mode are active,
		    aft
		    chk)
		(save-excursion
		  (save-excursion
		    (beginning-of-line)          ; This is to avoid
		    (setq aft (point)))          ; disappearance of
		  (if (> aft (point-min))        ; the region if a
			(progn                     ; beginning of buffer
			  (forward-line -1)        ; error is generated
			  (setq aft (point))))
		  )
		(if (<= (point) (mark))          ; If (1): if point is above mark
		    (forward-line -1)            ; go up one line (at bol)
		  (if (and (< (mark) bef ) (>= (mark) aft)) ; If (2): here 
                                             ; the point moves above the mark;
		    (progn                       ; hence, 
			(if (= (mark) aft) 
			    (setq chk 1))          ; special case
			(goto-char (mark))         ; reset mark at 
			(end-of-line)              ; end-of-line
			(set-mark-command nil)
			(if (> aft (point-min))        ; Avoid beg-of-buffer error
			    (if (and chk (not (bolp))) ; special case
				  (beginning-of-line)    ; handled here
				(forward-line -1))))     ; normal case
                                             ; here point stays below mark: if
		    (if (bolp)                   ; at bol, go to the beginning of 
			  (forward-line -1)        ; the previous line, if not at
			(beginning-of-line))       ; bol, to bol of current line
		  )                              ; end if (2)
		)                                ; end if (1)
		)                                ; end let
	  (previous-line 1)                    ; if region not active, up
	  )                                    ; end outermost if
    )
  )                                          ; end defun

(defun rb-dos-to-unix ()
  "Converts the current buffer from DOS format to UNIX format, 
irrespective of whether the buffer is read-only or not."
  (interactive)
  (setq buffer-read-only nil)
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (while (re-search-forward "\r$" nil t)  ; search for carriage returns
	(replace-match ""))
    (goto-char (point-max))
    (beginning-of-line)
    (forward-line -1)			        ; go back a line for safety
    (setq dos-seen-ctl-Z (search-forward "\C-z" nil t))
    (if dos-seen-ctl-Z
	  (replace-match ""))))

(defun rb-flip-one ()
  "Flips the case of the current character."
  (interactive "*")
  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) 1)))
         ( cfs case-fold-search))           ; End varlist
    (setq case-fold-search nil)             ; Enables case-sensitive tests
    (delete-char 1)
    (if (string-match "[A-Z]"  curr)
	  (insert (downcase curr))
	(insert (upcase curr)))
    (setq case-fold-search cfs)             ; reset case-fold-search
    )                                       ; end let
  )                                         ; end defun

(defun rb-flip ()
  "Conditional case flip: if the region is active, the case of all
characters inside it is flipped; otherwise, if the cursor is on a
letter, the letter's case is flipped; if the cursor is on anything
else, the case of the previous word is flipped."
  (interactive "*")
  (let ((cfs case-fold-search))
    (setq case-fold-search nil)             ; Enables case-sensitive tests
    (if (not (region-active-p))
	  (let  (( curr (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) 1)))
		   end)
	    (if (string-match "[a-zA-Z]" curr)
		  (rb-flip-one)                 ; If on a letter, flip it
		(progn
		  (setq end (point))
		  (save-excursion                    ; Here if no region is
		    (skip-chars-backward rb-nonword) ; active and the cursor
		    (if (not (bolp))                 ; is not on a letter.
		    (skip-chars-backward rb-word-chars))   ; back one word
		    (while (< (point) end)
			(rb-flip-one)))           ; end save-excursion
		  (goto-char end)
		  )))                           ; end progn, end if, end let
	(let ((beg (mark))                    ; Here if the region is active
		(end (point)))
	  (if (< (point) (mark))              ; setting beg (end) to the
		(progn                          ; smaller (larger) between
		  (setq beg (point))            ; point and mark
		  (setq end (mark))))
	  (save-excursion
	    (goto-char beg)                   ; From beg to end, flip
	    (while (< (point) end)            ; current character
		(rb-flip-one)))                 ; end save-excursion
	  (goto-char end)
	  )                                   ; end let upon active-region
	)                                     ; end if region-active-p
    (setq case-fold-search cfs)             ; reset case-fold-search
    )                                       ; end outermost let
  )                                         ; end defun

; LateX functions:

(defun rb-cite ()
  "Inserts \cite{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "\\cite{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-subscr ()
  "Inserts _{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "_{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-supscr ()
  "Inserts ^{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "^{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-bf ()
  "Inserts {\bf } and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "{\\bf }")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-it ()
  "Inserts {\it } and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "{\\it }")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-ref ()
  "Inserts \ref{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "\\ref{}")
  (backward-char)
)

(defun rb-limit ()
  "Inserts \lim{} and moves the cursor back one character."
  (interactive)
  (insert "\\lim{}")
  (backward-char)
)

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where is the patch for xemacs 19.4 for sunos4.1.3 to cover all the 
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           Changes to the XEmacs FAQ for the Month of September 1996
                                       
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                               XEmacs FAQ [1/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list -- a
   compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest
   programs ever written. It is much more than just a Text Editor.
   
   Learning XEmacs is a lifelong activity. I've been using Emacs for over
   a decade now, and I'm still discovering new features. Therefore this
   document cannot be complete. Instead it is aimed at the person who is
   either considering XEmacs for their own use, or has just obtained it
   and is wondering what to do next. It is also useful as a reference to
   available resources.
   
   The previous maintainer of the FAQ was Anthony Rossini
   <rossini@stat.sc.edu>, who started it, after getting tired of hearing
   JWZ complain about repeatedly having to answer questions. Ben Wing
   <wing@666.com> and Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>, the principal
   authors of XEmacs, then took over and Ben did a massive update
   reorganizing the whole thing. At which point Anthony took back over,
   but then had to give it up again . Some of the other contributors to
   this FAQ are listed later in this document.
   
   This version was converted to hypertext format, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur <steve@miranova.com>. Any mistakes and typographical errors
   are ultimately my responsibility.
   
   This FAQ is freely redistributable. I take no liability for the
   correctness and safety of any procedures or advice given here. This
   FAQ is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
   WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or
   FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>. This version is much
   nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Please see
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html> for a
   comprehensive list of all changes made during the current month.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q1.0.14 was removed on August 8.
    2. Q1.0.5 was updated on August 15.
    3. Q1.0.5 was updated on August 26.
       
   This file was last modified on August 26, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, Policy, Credits. [You are here]
          + 1.0 Introduction
               o Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?
               o Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs
               o Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?
                 [updated]
               o Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?
               o Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?
               o Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?
               o Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or
                 NT)?
               o Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?
               o Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?
               o Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?
          + 1.1 Policies
               o Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?
               o Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?
               o Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?
          + 1.2 Credits
               o Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?
               o Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?
               o Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?
          + 1.3 Internationalization
               o Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?
               o Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka
                 MULE?
               o Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII
                 characters. How do I type them in?
               o Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come
                 out in a different language?
               o Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in
                 MULE/XEmacs 20.0
               o Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?
               o Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?
          + 1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
               o Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at
                 so I can build my own?
               o Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?
               o Q1.4.3 Any good XEmacs tutorials around?
               o Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function
                 that does something with text near the cursor?
               o Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?
               o Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a
                 function?
               o Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with
                 19.14 or 20.0?
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               1.0 Introduction
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?

   An alternative to GNU Emacs, originally based on an early alpha
   version of FSF's version 19. XEmacs was known as Lucid Emacs through
   version 19.10. Almost all features of GNU Emacs are supported in
   XEmacs (the ones that aren't supported are generally implemented in a
   better way in XEmacs). The maintainers of XEmacs actively track
   changes to GNU Emacs while also working to add new features never
   before seen in Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?

   The current version is 19.14, released on June 23, 1996.
   
   The disposition of 19.15 is undecided at present.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?

   The canonical source and binaries is found via anonymous FTP at
   <URL:ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs

   For a detailed description of the differences between GNU Emacs and
   XEmacs and a detailed history of XEmacs, check out the
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/NEWS.html> file. However, here is a list of
   some of the reasons why we think you might consider using it:
     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged? [updated]

   There are currently irreconcilable differences in the views about
   technical, programming, design and organizational matters between RMS
   and the XEmacs development team which provide little hope for a merge
   to take place in the short-term future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?

   Probably the easiest way, if everything is installed, is to use info,
   by pressing C-h i, or selecting Emacs Info from the Help Menu. Also,
   M-x apropos will look for commands for you.
   
   Try reading this FAQ, examining the regular GNU Emacs FAQ (which can
   be found with the Emacs 19 distribution) as well as at
   <URL:http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/emacs/faq/> and reading the Usenet group
   comp.emacs.xemacs. If that does not help, try posting your question to
   comp.emacs.xemacs. Please Do Not post XEmacs related questions to
   gnu.emacs.help.
   
   If you cannot post or read Usenet news, there is a corresponding
   mailing list which is available. It can be subscribed to by sending
   mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org for subscription information and
   xemacs@xemacs.org to send messages to the list.
   
   To cancel a subscription, you must use the xemacs-request address.
   
   Bug reports should be sent to the same locations.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?

   The mailing list is archived in the directory
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/mlists/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?

   I pronounce it Eks eemax.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?

   Here are some Screen Snapshots:
    1. The Splash Screen
    2. C Mode
    3. Emacs Lisp Mode
    4. Wing-enhanced Psgml Mode
    5. W3, the Web Browser (Two snapshots courtesy of William Perry
       <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>).
          + W3 Home Page
          + HTML Writers Guild
          + University of Indiana
    6. Gnus 5, the News and Mail Reader
    7. VM, the Mail Reader
    8. Ediff (File Differences)
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL:http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?

   There has been no port, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?

   Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> did the port of FSF Emacs to
   NeXTstep and expressed interest in doing the XEmacs port, but never
   went any farther.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?

   No, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.14 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.1 Policy
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?

   The FAQ is actively maintained and modified regularly. All links
   should be up to date.
   
   Changes are displayed on a monthly basis. Months, for this purpose are
   defined as the 5th of the month through the 5th of the month.
   Preexisting questions that have been changed are marked as such. Brand
   new questions are tagged.
   
   All submissions are welcome. E-mail submissions to
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>. Please make sure that XEmacs FAQ
   appears on the Subject: line. If you think you have a better way of
   answering a question, or think a question should be included, I'd like
   to hear about it. Questions and answers included into the FAQ will be
   edited for spelling and grammar, and will be attributed. Answers
   appearing without attribution are either from versions of the FAQ
   dated before May 1996, or are from one of the four people listed at
   the top of this document. Answers quoted from Usenet news articles
   will always be attributed, regardless of the author.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?

   Write to Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> and request it.
   
   Be prepared to get your hands dirty, as beta testers are expected to
   identify problems as best they can.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   BTW if you have a wish list of things that you want added, you have to
   speak up about it! More specifically, you can do the following if you
   want a feature added (in increasing order of usefulness):
     * Make a posting about a feature you want added
     * Become a beta tester and make more postings about those same
       features
     * Convince us that you're going to use the features in some cool and
       useful way
     * Come up with a clear and well-thought-out API concerning the
       features
     * Write the code to implement a feature and send us a patch
       
   (not that we're necessarily requiring you to write the code, but we
   can always hope :)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.2 Credits
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?

   XEmacs is the result of the time and effort of many people. The
   developers responsible for the 19.14 release are:
     * Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> [Picture of Chuck Thompson]
     * Ben Wing <wing@666.com> [Picture of Ben Wing]
       
   Jamie Zawinski was Mr. Lucid Emacs from 19.0 through 19.10, the last
   release actually named Lucid Emacs. Richard Mlynarik was crucial to
   most of those releases.
     * Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> [Picture of Jamie Zawinski]
     * Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
       
   Along with many other contributors, partially enumerated in the About
   XEmacs option in the Help menu.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?

   The following people contributed valuable suggestions to building this
   version of the FAQ (listed in alphabetical order):
     * Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
     * Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
     * Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>
     * Brian Denheyer <briand@iccom.com>
     * Markus Gutschke <gutschk@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
     * David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
     * Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
     * John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
     * David Vanderschel <DvdS@eden.com>
     * Aki Vehtari <ave@niksula.hut.fi>
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?

   This is only a partial list, as many names were lost in a hard disk
   crash some time ago.
     * Curtis.N.Bingham <binge@aloft.att.com>
     * Richard Caley <rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
     * William G. Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
     * Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
     * <fcg@philabs.Philips.COM>
     * Chris Flatters <cflatter@nrao.edu>
     * Evelyn Ginsparg <ginsparg@adra.com>
     * Marty Hall <hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
     * Arup Mukherjee <arup+@cmu.edu>
     * Juergen Nickelsen <nickel@prz.tu-berlin.de>
     * Kevin R. Powell <powell@csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
     * Stig <stig@hackvan.com>
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           1.3 Internationalization
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?

   XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE
   (Asian-language) support. It's currently in beta and we have no
   release date set. When compiled without MULE support 20.0 is currently
   very similar to 19.14 (except for some changes to the byte-code
   format, some new primitive types including char, char-table, and
   range-table) and equally stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka MULE?

   The MULE support works OK but still needs a fair amount of work before
   it's really solid. We could definitely use some help here, esp. people
   who speak Japanese and will use XEmacs/MULE to work with Japanese and
   have some experience with E-Lisp. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working full-time on this currently. If
   you can help out here, please see Q1.1.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII characters. How
	do I type them in?

   See Q3.5.7 in part 3 of this FAQ.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come out in a
	different language?

   The message-catalog support has mostly been written but doesn't
   currently work. The first release of XEmacs 20 will not support it.
   However, menubar localization does work, even in 19.14. To enable it,
   add to your Emacs file entries like this:

Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
Emacs*XlwMenu.openInOtherWindow.labelString: In anderem Fenster ffnen

   The name of the resource is derived from the non-localized entry by
   removing punctuation and capitalizing as above. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working on adding support for Asian
   language menubar localization to XEmacs 20.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in MULE/XEmacs 20.0

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   Original Mule supports following input methods: Wnn4, Wnn6, Canna, SJ3
   and XIM. Interfaces for Wnn and SJ3 uses the egg user interface.
   Interface for Canna does not use egg. I don't know about XIM. It is to
   support ATOK, of course, it may work for another servers.
   
   Wnn supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean. It is made by OMRON and
   Kyto university. It is a powerful and complex system. Wnn4 is free
   and Wnn6 is not free.
   
   Canna supports only Japanese. It is made by NEC. It is a simple and
   powerful system. Canna uses only grammar (Wnn uses grammar and
   probability between words), so I think Wnn is cleverer than Canna,
   however Canna users made a good grammar and dictionary. So for
   standard modern Japanese, Canna seems cleverer than Wnn4. In addition,
   the UNIX version of Canna is free (now there is a Microsoft Windows
   version).
   
   SJ3 supports only Japanese. It is made by Sony.
   
   XIM supports was made to use ATOK (a major input method in personal
   computer world). XIM is the standard for accessing input methods
   bundled in Japanese versions of Solaris. (XEmacs 20 will support XIM
   input).
   
   Egg consists of following parts:
    1. Input character Translation System (ITS) layer. It translates
       ASCII inputs to Kana/PinYin/Hangul characters.
    2. Kana/PinYin/Hangul to Kanji transfer layer. It is interface layer
       for network Kana-Kanji server (Wnn and Sj3).
       
   These input methods are modal, namely there are mode, alphabet mode
   and Kana-Kanji transfer mode. However there are mode-less input
   methods for Egg and Canna. Boiled-egg is a mode-less input method
   running on Egg. For Canna, canna.el has a tiny boiled-egg like
   command, (canna-boil), and there are some boiled-egg like utilities.
   
   In addition, it was planned to make an abstraction for all transfer
   type input methods. However authors of input methods are busy, so
   maybe this plan is stopped. Perhaps after Mule merged FSF Emacs will
   be released, it will be continued.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   MULE and XEmacs are quite different. So the application implementor
   must write separate code for these mule variants.
   
   MULE and the next version of Emacs are similar but the symbols are
   very different -- requiring separate code as well.
   
   Namely we must support 3 kinds of mule variants and 4 or 5 or 6 kinds
   of emacs variants... (;_;)
   
   I'm shocked, so I wrote a wrapper package called emu to provide a
   common interface.
   
   I have the following suggestions about dealing with mule variants:
    1. (featurep 'mule) is t on all mule variants
    2. (boundp 'MULE) is t on only MULE. Maybe the next version of Emacs
       will not have this symbol.
    3. MULE has a variable mule-version. Perhaps the next version of
       Emacs will have this variable as well.
       
   Following is a sample to distinguish mule variants:
(if (featurep 'mule)
    (cond ((boundp 'MULE)
           ;; for original Mule
           )
          ((string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
           ;; for XEmacs with Mule
           )
          (t
           ;; for next version of Emacs
           ))
  ;; for old emacs variants
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?

   Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> writes:
   There is a cyrillic mode in the file mysetup.zip in
   <URL:ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs/>. This is a
   modification to Valery Alexeev's <ava@math.jhu.ed> russian.el which
   can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://tut.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages
   /russian.el.Z>.
   
   Dima Barsky <d.barsky@ee.surrey.ac.uk> writes: There is another
   cyrillic mode for both GNU Emacs and XEmacs by Dmitrii (Mitya) Manin
   <manin@camelot.mssm.edu> at
   <URL:http://camelot.mssm.edu/~manin/cyr.el>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at so I can build
	my own?

   The .emacs file is used to customize XEmacs to your tastes. No two are
   alike, nor are they expected to be alike, but that's the point. The
   XEmacs distribution contains an excellent starter example in the etc
   directory called sample.emacs. Copy this file from there to your home
   directory and rename it .emacs. Then edit it to suit.
   
   In 19.14 you may bring the sample.emacs into an XEmacs buffer by
   selecting Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar. To determine the
   location of the etc directory type the command C-h v data-directory
   RET.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?

   Yes. The sample .emacs included in the XEmacs distribution will show
   you how to handle different versions and flavors of Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.3 Any good tutorials around?

   There's the XEmacs tutorial available from the Help Menu, or by typing
   C-h t.
   
   There's an Emacs Lisp tutorial at:
   <URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz>.
   
   Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> has made a tutorial web page
   at <URL:http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function that does
	something with text near the cursor?

   The following function does a little bit of everything useful. It does
   something with the prefix argument, it examines the text around the
   cursor, and it's interactive so it may be bound to a key. It inserts
   copies of the current word the cursor is sitting on at the cursor. If
   you give it a prefix argument: C-u 3 M-x double-word then it will
   insert 3 copies.
   
(defun double-word (count)
  "Insert a copy of the current word underneath the cursor"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let (here there string)
    (save-excursion
      (forward-word -1)
      (setq here (point))
      (forward-word 1)
      (setq there (point))
      (setq string (buffer-substring here there)))
    (while (>= count 1)
      (progn
        (insert string)
        (setq count (1- count))))))

   The best way to see what is going on here is to let XEmacs tell you.
   Put the code into an XEmacs buffer, and do a C-h f with the cursor
   sitting just to the right of the function you want explained. Eg. move
   the cursor to the SPACE between interactive and "*p" and hit C-h f to
   see what the function interactive does. Doing this will tell you that
   the * requires a writable buffer, and p converts the prefix argument
   to a number, and interactive allows you to execute the command with
   M-x.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?

   To bind to a key do:
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'double-word)

   Or interactively, M-x global-set-key and follow the prompts.
   
   Jari Aalto has written a guide to Emacs keys binding, available at
   <URL:ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-keys.gui>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a function?

   Quoting from the Lisp Reference (a.k.a lispref) Manual:
   
   Macros enable you to define new control constructs and other language
   features. A macro is defined much like a function, but instead of
   telling how to compute a value, it tells how to compute another Lisp
   expression which will in turn compute the value. We call this
   expression the expansion of the macro.
   
   Macros can do this because they operate on the unevaluated expressions
   for the arguments, not on the argument values as functions do. They
   can therefore construct an expansion containing these argument
   expressions or parts of them.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with 19.14 or
	20.0?

   There's a problem with options of the form:
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'searchm-field 'font)
                            '((global (nil))))

   saved by a 19.13 XEmacs that causes a 19.14 XEmacs grief. You must
   delete these options. 19.14 no longer writes the options directly to
   .emacs which should allow us to deal with version incompatibilities
   better in the future.
   
   Options saved under XEmacs 19.13 are protected by code that
   specifically requires a version 19 XEmacs. This won't be a problem
   unless you're testing XEmacs v20. You should consider changing the
   code to read:

(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and (= emacs-major-version 19)
                (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
           (>= emacs-major-version 20)))
 ...

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [4/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 4 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to major XEmacs subsystems.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html>, and also
   at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-subsystems.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q4.2.3 was updated on September 24.
    2. Q4.3.5 was added on October 1.
       
   This file was last modified on October 1, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems [You are here]
          + 4.0 Reading Mail with VM
               o Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote
                 site using POP?
               o Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?
               o Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically
                 (asynchronously) check for and retrieve new mail every
                 so often?
               o Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?
               o Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail.
                 How can I tell VM to ignore them when doing a
                 "reply-all"?
               o Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?
               o Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM
               o Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail
               o Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?
               o Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical
                 smilies?
          + 4.1 Web browsing with W3
               o Q4.1.1 What is W3?
               o Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?
          + 4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
               o Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus,
                 Red Gnus, argh!
               o Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?
               o Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?
                 [updated]
               o Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?
          + 4.3 Other Mail & News
               o Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?
                 [updated]
               o Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?
               o Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why
                 isn't it working?
               o Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can
                 that cause problems?
               o Q4.3.5 Where do I find pstogif (required by tm)? [new]
          + 4.4 Sparcworks, EOS, and WorkShop
               o Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop
          + 4.5 Energize
               o Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?
          + 4.6 Infodock
               o Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?
          + 4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
               o Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?
               o Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?
               o Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14
               o Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.0 Reading Mail with VM
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote site using
	POP?

   Use vm-spool-files, like this for example:
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/wing"
                       "netcom23.netcom.com:110:pass:wing:MYPASS"))

   Of course substitute your actual password for MYPASS.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?

   One possibility is to use procmail to split your mail before it gets
   to VM. I prefer this personally, since there are many strange and
   wonderful things one can do with procmail. Procmail may be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/>.
   
   Also see the Mail Filtering FAQ at:
   <:URL:http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filterin
   g-faq/faq.html>.
   
   Another possibility is to check out Gnus 5. Gnus 5 has mail splitting
   capability, and can use VM as a mail reading backend.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically (asynchronously) check for
	and retrieve new mail every so often?

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   Use the following:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 60)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.4 [Tis question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/outbox")

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail. How can I
	tell VM to ignore them when doing a "reply-all"?

   Set vm-reply-ignored-addresses to a list, like
(setq vm-reply-ignored-addresses '("wing@netcom[0-9]*.netcom.com"
                                   "wing@netcom.com" "wing@666.com"))

   Note that each string is a regular expression.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?

   There is no archived FAQ for VM. Kyle Jones
   <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
   No, I'm too atavistic to write one. For some reason I'd rather just
   answer the questions myself. I guess it serves a purpose in that the
   VM user community knows that I'm still alive, despite the 9 months
   since the last release.
   
   VM has its own newsgroup: gnu.emacs.vm.info.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM

   My mailbox lives at the office on a big honkin server. My regular
   INBOX lives on my honkin desktop machine. I now can PPP to the office
   from home which is far from honking... I'd like to be able to read
   mail at home without storing it here and I'd like to use xemacs and VM
   at home... Is there a recommended setup?
   
   Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> writes:
   There are several ways to do this.
    1. Set your display to your home machine and run dxpc or one of the
       other X compressors.
    2. NFS mount your desktop machine on your home machine and modify
       your pop command on your home machine to rsh to your desktop
       machine and actually do the pop get's.
    3. Run a POP server on your desktop machine as well and do a sort of
       two tiered POP get.
       
   William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> adds:
   Or you could run a pop script periodically on your desktop machine,
   and just use ange-ftp or NFS to get to your mailbox. I used to do this
   all the time back at IU.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail

   From the XEmacs PROBLEMS file:
   Rmail and VM get new mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER using a program
   called movemail. This program interlocks with /bin/mail using the
   protocol defined by /bin/mail.
   
   There are two different protocols in general use. One of them uses the
   flock system call. The other involves creating a lock file; movemail
   must be able to write in /usr/spool/mail in order to do this. You
   control which one is used by defining, or not defining, the macro
   MAIL_USE_FLOCK in config.h or the m- or s- file it includes. IF YOU
   DON'T USE THE FORM OF INTERLOCKING THAT IS NORMAL ON YOUR SYSTEM, YOU
   CAN LOSE MAIL!
   
   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make `movemail' setgid to a suitable group such as
   `mail'. To do this, use the following commands (as root) after doing
   the make install.

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   Installation normally copies movemail from the build directory to an
   installation directory which is usually under /usr/local/lib. The
   installed copy of movemail is usually in the directory
   /usr/local/lib/emacs/VERSION/TARGET. You must change the group and
   mode of the installed copy; changing the group and mode of the build
   directory copy is ineffective.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?

   John S Cooper <John.Cooper@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
; Don't use multiple frames
(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical smilies?

   For mh-e use the following:
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                        (point-max))))

   For vm use the following:
(require 'messagexmas)
(require 'smiley)
(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                             (point-max))))

   For tm use the following:
(autoload 'smiley-buffer "smiley" nil t)
(add-hook 'mime-viewer/plain-text-preview-hook 'smiley-buffer)

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.1 Web browsing with W3
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.1 What is W3?

   An advanced graphical browser written in Emacs lisp that runs on
   XEmacs. It has full support for cascaded style sheets, and more ... It
   has a home web page at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?

   There is a long, well-written, detailed section in the W3 manual that
   describes how to do this. Look in the section entitled Firewalls.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                    4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus, Red Gnus,
	argh!

   Please see <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?

   Gnus 5.2.25 was included in XEmacs 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame? [updated]

   When starting Gnus from the toolbar it is automatically put into a new
   frame. Gnus not being frame-aware code, has no provision to disable
   this feature. If you feel this is a problem here are some workarounds:
    1. Don't start Gnus from the toolbar, use M-x gnus. This is what I
       do.
    2. Redefine the function called by the toolbar:

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run Gnus in the frame it was started from."
  (interactive)
  (gnus))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             4.3 Other Mail & News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?

   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.
   
   Another possibility is RMIME. You may find RMIME at
   <URL:http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html>.
   
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
   
   Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu> has an Emacs & MIME web page at
   <URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
   
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
   
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM
       
   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why isn't it
	working?

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   It wasn't chown'ed/chmod'd correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can that cause
	problems?

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   Yes. Always use the movemail installed with your XEmacs. Failure to do
   so can result in lost mail.
   
   Please refer to Jamie Zawinski's <jwz@netscape.com> notes at
   <URL:http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/movemail.h
   tml>. In particular, this document will show you how to make Netscape
   use the version of movemail configured for your system by the person
   who built XEmacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.5 Where do I find pstogif (required by tm)? [new]

   pstogif is part of latex2html, and is available at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tohoku.ac.jp/pub/TeX/latex-styles/bear_collections/late
   x2html/>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            4.4 SPARCworks and EOS
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   SPARCworks is SunSoft's development environment, comprising compilers
   (C, C++, FORTRAN 77, Fortran 90, Ada, and Pascal), a debugger, and
   other tools such as TeamWare (for configuration management), MakeTool,
   etc.
   
   See <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Developer-products/products.html>
   for more info.
   
   EOS stands for Era on SPARCworks, but I don't know what Era stands
   for.
   
   EOS is the integration of XEmacs with the SPARCworks debugger. It
   allows one to use an XEmacs frame to view code (complete with
   fontification, etc.), set breakpoints, print variables, etc., while
   using the SPARCworks debugger. It works very well and I use it all the
   time. Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   Era stood for Emacs Rewritten Again. It was what we were calling the
   modified version of Lucid Emacs for Sun when I was dragged, er,
   allowed to work on this wonderful editor.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   EOS is being replaced with a new graphical development environment
   called Sun WorkShop, which is currently (07/96) in Alpha Test. For
   more details, check out
   <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Products/Developer-products/programs.h
   tml>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.5 Energize
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?

   David N Gray <gray@meteor.harlequin.com> writes:
   The files in lisp/energize are to enable Emacs to interface with the
   Energize Programming System, a C and C++ development environment,
   which was a product of Lucid, Inc. Tragically, Lucid went out of
   business in 1994, so although Energize is still a great system, if you
   don't already have it, there isn't any way to get it now. (Unless you
   happen to be in Japan; INS Engineering may still be selling it there.
   Tartan bought the rights to sell it in the rest of the world, but
   never did so.)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.6 Infodock
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?

   NB: the information in this section is quite dated.
   
   InfoDock is an integrated productivity toolset, mainly aimed at
   technical people. It is built atop the XEmacs variant of GNU Emacs and
   so has all of the power of Emacs, but with an easier to use and more
   comprehensive menu-based user interface. The next section describes
   how it differs from XEmacs and GNU Emacs from the Free Software
   Foundation.
   
   The quickest way to get a feel for InfoDock is to browse the InfoDock
   Manual, especially the section on tools. This will help you decide
   whether or not to download InfoDock for local use. This manual is
   available in gzipped Postscript form, alongside the InfoDock
   distribution. (See below for FTP retrieval instructions.)
   
   InfoDock is aimed at people who want a free, turn-key productivity
   environment. Although InfoDock is customizable, it is not intended for
   people who like basic versions of Emacs which need to be customized
   extensively for local use; standard Emacs distributions are better for
   such uses. InfoDock is for those people who want a complete,
   pre-customized environment in one package, which they need not touch
   more than once or twice a year to update to new revisions.
   
   InfoDock is pre-built for SPARCstations running SunOS V4 or V5
   (Solaris). It is intended for use on a color display, although most
   features will work on monochrome monitors. Simply unpack InfoDock
   according to the instructions in the ID-INSTALL file and you are ready
   to run.
   
   The InfoDock Manual is concise, yet sufficient as a user guide for
   users who have never used an Emacs-type editor before. For users who
   are already familiar with Emacs, it supplements the information in the
   GNU Emacs Manual.
   
   InfoDock menus are much more extensive and more mature than standard
   Emacs menus. Each menu offers a Manual item which displays
   documentation associated with the menu's functions.
   
   Three types of menubars are provided:
    1. An extensive menubar providing access to global InfoDock commands.
    2. Mode-specific menubars tailored to the current major mode.
    3. A simple menubar for basic editing to help novices get started
       with InfoDock.
       
   Most modes also include mode-specific popup menus. Additionally,
   region and rectangle popup menus are included.
     * Hyperbole, the everyday information manager, is a core part of
       InfoDock. This provides context-sensitive mouse keys, a
       rolodex-type contact manager, programmable hypertext buttons, and
       an autonumbered outliner with embedded hyperlink anchors.
     * PIEmail, the prototype Personalized Information Environment Mail
       Tool, is included.
     * The OO-Browser, a multi-language object-oriented code browser, is
       a standard part of InfoDock.
       
   InfoDock saves a more extensive set of user options than other Emacs
   versions.
   
   InfoDock inserts a useful file header in many file types, showing the
   author, summary, and last modification time of each file. A summary
   program can then be used to summarize all of the files in a directory,
   for easy MANIFEST file creation.
   
   Your working set of buffers is automatically saved and restored (if
   you answer yes to a prompt) between InfoDock sessions.
   
   Refined color choices for code highlighting are provided for both dark
   and light background display frames.
   
   The C-z key prefix performs frame-based commands which parallel the
   C-x key prefix for window-based commands.
   
   The Smart Menu system is included for producing command menus on dumb
   terminals. (InfoDock does not yet run on dumb terminals but will in
   1995.)
   
   Lisp libraries are better categorized according to function.
   
   Extensions and improvements to many areas of Emacs are included, such
   as: paragraph filling, mail reading with Rmail, shell handling,
   outlining, code highlighting and browsing, and man page browsing.
   
   InfoDock questions, answers and discussion should go to the mail list
   <URL:mailto:infodock@hub.ucsb.edu>. Use
   <URL:mailto:infodock-request@hub.ucsb.edu> to be added or removed from
   the list. Always include your InfoDock version number when sending
   help requests.
   
   InfoDock is available across the Internet via anonymous FTP. To get
   it, first move to a directory into which you want the InfoDock archive
   files placed. We will call this <DIST-DIR>.

   cd <DIST-DIR>

   FTP to ftp.cs.uiuc.edu (Internet Host ID = 128.174.252.1):
   prompt> ftp ftp.cs.uiuc.edu

   Login as anonymous with your own <user-id>@<site-name> as a password.
   Name (ftp.cs.uiuc.edu): anonymous
   331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
   Password: -<your-user-id@your-domain>
   230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.

   Move to the location of the InfoDock archives:
   ftp> cd pub/xemacs/infodock

   Set your transfer mode to binary:
   ftp> bin
   200 Type set to I.

   Turn off prompting:
   ftp> prompt
   Interactive mode off.

   Retrieve the InfoDock archives that you want, either by using a get
   <file> for each file you want or by using the following to get a
   complete distribution, including all binaries:

   ftp> mget ID-INSTALL
   ftp> mget id-*

   Close the FTP connection:
   ftp> quit
   221 Goodbye.

   Read the ID-INSTALL file which you just retrieved for step-by-step
   installation instructions.
   
   Note: Hyperbole, the KOutliner, and OO-Browser are included in XEmacs
   19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                         4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?

   AucTeX is a package written by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>.
   The following information is from the README and website.
   
   AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
   TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
   packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo.
   
   The most recent version is always available by ftp at
   <URL:ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz>.
   
   In case you don't have access to anonymous ftp, you can get it by an
   email request to <URL:mailto:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com>.
   
   WWW users may want to check out the AUC TeX page at
   <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?

   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL:ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14

   Georges Brun-Cottan <bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr> writes:
   You must use the command

xemacs -batch -l lpath.el

   when byte compiling auxtex-9.4g.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX

   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
   a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
   Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> (clap clap) in particular his
   easymenu package. Which leads to what is probably the problem ...
   
   Most problems with AucTeX are one of two things:
    1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
       Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly before installing
    2. You have an old version of easymenu.el in your path
       Fix: use locate-library and remove old versions to make sure it
       only finds the one that came with XEmacs.
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q2.1.14 was updated on August 8.
    2. Q2.0.12 was updated on September 5.
       
   This file was last modified on September 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong?
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names
               o Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs? [updated]
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why!
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [updated]
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
               o Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void:
                 hkey-help-show
               o Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
   do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
   them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at
   <URL:ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/>
   <URL:ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. The name XEmacs is unfortunate in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable character terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/aux/>. The canonical locations are as
   follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL:ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>. 0.89c is current. XEmacs
          requires a fairly recent version to avoid using temporary
          files.
          <URL:ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs? [updated]

   Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is built.
   The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs is then
   run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then dumped into
   a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of the
   preloaded lisp functions and data.
   
   Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
   written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function is
   obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads to
   an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
   damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
   binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.
   
   The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
   dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
   if you install from sources (as temacs is not part of the binary
   kits).
   
   Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:
   Here is the trick:
    1. [ configure; make ]
    2. cd src
    3. rm xemacs
    4. strip temacs
    5. cd ..
    6. make
    7. cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
    8. cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs
       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   If you just don't want to see the *Warnings* buffer at startup time,
   you can set this:

(setq display-warning-minimum-level 'error)

   The buffer still exists; it just isn't in your face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColor     black
xemacs*pointerColor    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   XEmacs startup, which says Color Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL:http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken? [updated]

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
   Morten Welinder <terra@diku.dk> writes:
   On some (but not all) machines a hung XEmacs can be revived by kill
   -FPE <pid>. This is a hack, of course, not a solution. This technique
   works on a Sun4 running 4.1.3_U1. To see if it works for you, start
   another XEmacs and test with that first. If you get a core dump the
   method doesn't work and if you get Arithmetic error then it does.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger

   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
       Curtiss <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> suggests upgrading to ld.so
       version 1.8 if dynamic linking and debugging is a problem on
       Linux.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. If you compiled 19.14 with --debug (or by default in 19.15),
            you will get a Lisp backtrace output when XEmacs crashes, so
            you'll have something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could
            try doing call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even
            after a fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10

   From the problems database (through
   <URL:http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> adds:
   Apparently somebody has found the reason why there is this poll:
   interrupted... message for each event. For some reason, libcurses
   reimplements a select() system call, in a highly broken fashion. The
   fix is to add a -lc to the link line before the -lxcurses. XEmacs will
   then use the right version of select().
   
   Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> writes:
   The real solution is to not link -lcurses in! I just changed -lcurses
   to -ltermcap in the Makefile and it fixed :
    1. the poll: interrupted system call message
    2. a more serious problem I had discovered in the meantime, that is
       the fact that subprocess handling was seriously broken:
       subprocesses e.g. started by AUCTeX for TeX compilation of a
       buffer would hang. Actually they would wait forever for emacs to
       read the socket which connects stdout...
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

   This is a problem with a partially loaded hyperbole. Try adding:
(require 'hmouse-drv)

   where you load hyperbole and the problem should go away.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes

   This has been a widely reported problem with various versions of
   XEmacs through 19.14. Some users have reported that killing and
   restarting the window manager helps. For others it does not. Part of
   the problem is that this does not manifest itself on any of the
   systems of the primary developers. There is no known solution at
   present.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 1 Part 3 =>

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                               XEmacs FAQ [3/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 3 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Customization and screen settings.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-customization.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q3.10.5 was updated on August 8.
    2. Q3.3.4 was updated on August 18.
       
   This file was last modified on August 18, 1996.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options [You are here]
          + 3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
               o Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?
               o Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without
                 switching to the *scratch* buffer?
               o Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               o Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?
               o Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?
               o Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer
                 other than the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?
          + 3.1 X Window System & Resources
               o Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?
               o Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?
               o Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width
                 characters) and (set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs
                 instead of specifying Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
                 .Xdefaults but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified
                 Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .emacs but this does
                 not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not
                 include the name of the current file in it?
               o Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the
                 full directory/name of the current buffer file and not
                 just the name?
               o Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose
                 class name according to xprop, is junk. This is the way
                 it's supposed to work, I think. When I run xemacs -name
                 junk the class name is not set to junk. It's still
                 emacs. What does xemacs -name really do? The reason I
                 ask is that my window manager (fvwm) will make a window
                 sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I want that
                 XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use the
                 window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
                 gives?
               o Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't
                 work right.
          + 3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
               o Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color
                 options from my .emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?
               o Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?
               o Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors
                 when highlighting a region?
               o Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?
               o Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use
                 them
          + 3.3 The Modeline
               o Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?
               o Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line or column
                 number in the modeline?
               o Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the
                 modeline?
               o Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the
                 current chapter/section/... is given in the modeline.
                 How can I turn this off? [updated]
               o Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline
                 based on the mode used?
               o Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]
          + 3.4 Multiple Device Support
               o Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a
                 frame on another screen of my display?
               o Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after
                 calling up over a modem? How do I do it?
          + 3.5 The Keyboard
               o Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to
                 keys?
               o Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding
                 empty lines at the bottom of my buffers?
               o Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line
                 and C-; to scroll down by one line...
               o Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?
               o Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time
               o Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?
               o Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?
               o Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward
                 ] 'delete-char) complain?
               o Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?
               o Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?
          + 3.6 The Cursor
               o Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little
                 thicker than one-pixel thick since I lose it?
               o Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor
                 where the cursor covers the character in front of the
                 point?
               o Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?
          + 3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
               o Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?
               o Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse
                 buttons?
               o Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the
                 entries get highlighted when I move the mouse over them
                 but clicking the left mouse does not do anything.
               o Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I
                 hit button 3 on the mouse?
               o Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs
                 and a cmdtool?
               o Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where
                 the text cursor is, not where the mouse pointer lies?
               o Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?
               o Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?
          + 3.8 The Menubar and Toolbar
               o Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
               o Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?
               o Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in
                 the menu Buffers list?
               o Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like
                 Emacs*menubar*font to set the font of the menubar but
                 it's not working.
               o Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will
                 turn the toolbar on and off?
          + 3.9 Scrollbars
               o Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?
               o Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar
                 colors?
               o Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it
                 moves the point as well, which should not be the default
                 behavior. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?
               o Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?
          + 3.10 Text Selections
               o Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted
                 selections?
               o Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some
                 text and start typing, the typed text replaces the
                 selected text?
               o Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am
                 doing isearch as I am not able to see what's underneath.
                 How do I turn it off?
               o Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p
                 (mark-page). How do I turn this feature off?
               o Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward
                 and hit the end of the buffer. How do I turn this
                 feature off? [updated]
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
                                       
   
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Subject: Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?

   How can .emacs determine which of the family of Emacsen I am using?
   
   To determine if you are currently running GNU Emacs 18, GNU Emacs 19,
   XEmacs 19, or Epoch, and use appropriate code, check out the example
   given in etc/sample.emacs. There are other nifty things in there as
   well!
   
   For all new code, a simple
(defvar running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

   is all you really need to do.
   
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Subject: Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without switching to
	the *scratch* buffer?

(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)

   This sets it so that hitting ESC ESC lets you type a single expression
   to be evaluated. This line can also be put into your .emacs. Starting
   with XEmacs 19.14, this function is bound to ESC : or ESC ESC : by
   default.
   
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Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly

   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.
   
   Use setq-default instead, since tab-width is all-buffer-local.
   
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Subject: Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?

   Here are two ways to do that, one that puts your directories at the
   front of the load-path, the other at the end:

;;; Add things at the beginning of the load-path, do not add
;;; duplicate directories:
(if (null (member "bar" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "bar" load-path)))

(if (null (member "foo" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "foo" load-path)))

;;; Add things at the end, unconditionally
(setq load-path (append load-path '("foo" "bar")))

   keith (k.p.) hanlan <keithh@nortel.ca> writes:
   To add directories using Unix shell metacharacters use
   expand-file-name like this:

(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~keithh/.emacsdir") load-path))

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Subject: Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?

   Use the following elisp:
(fboundp 'foo)

   It's almost always a mistake to test emacs-version or any similar
   variables.
   
   Instead, use feature-tests, such as featurep or boundp or fboundp, or
   even simple behavioural tests, eg.

(defvar foo-old-losing-code-p
  (condition-case nil (progn (losing-code t) nil)
   (wrong-number-of-arguments t)))

   There is an incredible amount of broken code out there which could
   work much better more often in more places if it did the above instead
   of trying to divine its environment from the value of one variable.
   
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Subject: Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer other than
	the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?

   Evaluate the expression in the *scratch* buffer with point on the
   rightmost paren and typing C-j.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.1 X Window System & Resources
                                       
   
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Subject: Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?

   Search through the NEWS file for X Resources. A fairly comprehensive
   list is given after it.
   
   In addition, an app-defaults file is supplied, etc/Emacs.ad, listing
   the defaults. The file etc/sample.Xdefaults gives a set of defaults
   that you might consider. It is essentially the same as etc/Emacs.ad
   but some entries are slightly altered. Be careful about installing the
   contents of this file into your .Xdefaults or .Xresources file if you
   use GNU Emacs under X11 as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?

   You can test the return value of the function (device-class), as in:
(when (eq (device-class) 'color)
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-comment-face "Grey")
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-string-face  "Red")
  ....
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width characters) and
	(set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs instead of specifying
	Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .Xdefaults but this does not
	work in XEmacs 19.13.

   These two functions now take frame arguments:
(set-frame-width (selected-frame) characters)
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) lines)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
	.emacs but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.

   We have switched from using the term 'screen' to using the term frame.
   The correct entry for your .Xdefaults is now:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not include the
	name of the current file in it?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-icon-title-format "XEmacs")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the full
	directory/name of the current buffer file and not just the name?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-title-format "%S: %f")

   A more sophisticated title might be:
(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory "%b"))))

   That is, use the file name, or the dired-directory, or the buffer
   name.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose class name
	according to xprop, is junk. This is the way it's supposed to
	work, I think.  When I run xemacs -name junk the class name is
	not set to junk. It's still emacs. What does xemacs -name
	really do? The reason I ask is that my window manager (fvwm)
	will make a window sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I
	want that XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use
	the window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
	gives?

   xemacs -name sets the application name for the program (that is, the
   thing which normally comes from argv[0]). Using -name is the same as
   making a copy of the executable with that new name. The WM_CLASS
   property on each frame is set to the frame-name, and the
   application-class. So, if you did xemacs -name FOO and then created a
   frame named BAR, you'd get an X window with WM_CLASS = ( "BAR",
   "Emacs"). However, the resource hierarchy for this widget would be

Name:    FOO   .shell             .container   .BAR
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   instead of the default
Name:    xemacs.shell             .container   .emacs
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   It is arguable that the first element of WM_CLASS should be set to the
   application-name instead of the frame-name, but I think that's less
   flexible, since it does not give you the ability to have multiple
   frames with different WM_CLASS properties. Another possibility would
   be for the default frame name to come from the application name
   instead of simply being emacs. However, at this point, making that
   change would be troublesome: it would mean that many users would have
   to make yet another change to their resource files (since the default
   frame name would suddenly change from emacs to xemacs, or whatever the
   executable happened to be named), so we'd rather avoid it.
   
   To make a frame with a particular name use:
(make-frame '((name . "the-name")))

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Subject: Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't work right.

   Using -unmapped on the command line, and setting the initiallyUnmapped
   X Resource don't seem to help much either ...
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   Ugh, this stuff is such an incredible mess that I've about given up
   getting it to work. The principal problem is numerous window-manager
   bugs ...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
                                       
   
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Subject: Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color options from my
	.emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?

   Like this:
(set-face-background 'default      "bisque")     ; frame background
(set-face-foreground 'default      "black")      ; normal text
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")        ; When selecting w/
                                                 ; mouse
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")
(set-face-font       'default      "*courier-bold-r*120-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'highlight    "blue")       ; Ie when selecting buffers
(set-face-foreground 'highlight    "yellow")
(set-face-background 'modeline     "blue")       ; Line at bottom of buffer
(set-face-foreground 'modeline     "white")
(set-face-font       'modeline     "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'isearch      "yellow")     ; When highlighting while
                                                 ; searching
(set-face-foreground 'isearch      "red")
(setq x-pointer-foreground-color   "black")      ; Adds to bg color,
                                                 ; so keep black
(setq x-pointer-background-color   "blue")       ; This is color you really
                                                 ; want ptr/crsr

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?

   Note that you should use Emacs. and not Emacs* when setting face
   values.
   
   In .Xdefaults:
Emacs.default.attributeFont:  -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-*-*
Emacs*menubar*font:           fixed
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: fixed

   This is confusing because modeline is a face, and can be found listed
   with all faces in the current mode by using M-x set-face-font (enter)
   ?. It uses the face specification of attributeFont, while menubar is a
   normal X thing that uses the specification font. With Motif it may be
   necessary to use fontList instead of font.
   
   Suggestions on improving the answer to this question would be
   appreciated.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors when
	highlighting a region?

   You can change the face zmacs-region either in your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeForeground: firebrick
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeBackground: lightseagreen

   or in your .emacs:
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?

   I'm using Netscape (or another color grabber like XEmacs); is there
   anyway to limit the number of available colors in the color map?
   
   XEmacs 19.13 doesn't have such a mechanism (unlike netscape, or other
   color-hogs). One solution is to start XEmacs prior to netscape, since
   this will prevent Netscape from grabbing all colors (but Netscape will
   complain). You can use the flags for Netscape, like -mono, -ncols <#>
   or -install (for mono, limiting to <#> colors, or for using a private
   color map). Since Netscape will take the entire colormap and never
   release it, the only reasonable way to run it is with -install.
   
   If you have the money, another solution would be to use a truecolor or
   direct color video.
   
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14, XEmacs will use the closest available
   color if the colormap is full, so it's O.K. now to start Netscape
   first.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use them

   XEmacs tries to automatically determine whether your tty supports
   color, but sometimes guesses wrong. In that case, you can make XEmacs
   Do The Right Thing using this Lisp code:

(if (eq 'tty (device-type))
    (set-device-class nil 'color))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               3.3 The Modeline
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?

(set-specifier has-modeline-p nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the modeline responds to mouse clicks, so
   if you haven't liked or used the modeline in the past, you might want
   to try the new version out.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line number in the modeline?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file to display the line number:

(setq line-number-mode t)

   Use the following to display the column number:
(display-column-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the modeline?

(display-time)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the current
	chapter/section/... is given in the modeline. How can I turn
	this off?  [updated]

   It's not auc-tex, it comes from func-menu in func-menu.el. Add this
   code to your .emacs to turn it off:

(setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

   Or just add a hook to TeX-mode-hook to turn it off only for TeX mode.
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)))

   David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:
   If you have 19.14 or later, try this instead; you'll still get the
   function name displayed in the modeline, but it won't attempt to keep
   track when you modify the file. To refresh when it gets out of synch,
   you simply need click on the Rescan Buffer option in the
   function-menu.

(setq-default fume-auto-rescan-buffer-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline based on the mode
	used?

   You can use something like the following:
(add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook
        '(lambda () (set-face-background 'modeline "red" (current-buffer))
                    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "yellow" (current-buffer))))

   Then, when editing a Lisp file (i.e. when in Lisp mode), the modeline
   colors change from the default set in your .emacs. The change will
   only be made in the buffer you just entered (which contains the Lisp
   file you are editing) and will not affect the modeline colors anywhere
   else.
   
   Notes:
     * The hook is the mode name plus -hook. eg. c-mode-hook,
       c++-mode-hook, emacs-lisp-mode-hook (used for your .emacs or a
       xx.el file), lisp-interaction-mode-hook (the *scratch* buffer),
       text-mode-hook, etc.
     * Be sure to use add-hook, not (setq c-mode-hook xxxx), otherwise
       you will erase anything that anybody has already put on the hook.
     * You can also do (set-face-font 'modeline font), eg. (set-face-font
       'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*" (current-buffer)) if you
       wish the modeline font to vary based on the current mode.
       
   This works in 19.14 as well, but there are additional modeline faces,
   modeline-buffer-id, modeline-mousable, and
   modeline-mousable-minor-mode, which you may want to customize.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.4 Multiple Device Support
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a frame on another
	screen of my display?

   The support for this has been revamped for 19.14. Use the command M-x
   make-frame-on-display. This command is also on the File menu in the
   menubar.
   
   XEmacs 19.14 also has the command make-frame-on-tty which will
   establish a connection to any tty-like device.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after calling up over
	a modem? How do I do it?

   If you're not running at least XEmacs 19.14 you can't. Otherwise check
   out the gnuattach program supplied with XEmacs.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 3.5 Keyboard
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to keys?

   As an example, say you want the PASTE key on a Sun keyboard to insert
   the current Primary X selection at point. You can accomplish this
   with:

(define-key global-map 'f18 'x-insert-selection)

   However, this only works if there is a current X selection (the
   selection will be highlighted). The functionality I like is for the
   PASTE key to insert the current X selection if there is one, otherwise
   insert the contents of the clipboard. To do this you need to pass
   arguments to x-insert-selection. This is done by wrapping the call in
   a 'lambda form:

(define-key global-map 'f18
  (function (lambda () (interactive) (x-insert-selection t nil))))

   This binds the 'f18 key to a generic functional object. The
   interactive spec is required because only interactive functions can be
   bound to keys. Also take a look at the doc for function.
   
   For the FAQ example you could use:
(global-set-key [(control ?.)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up -1))))

   This is fine if you only need a few functions within the lambda body.
   If you're doing more it's cleaner to define a separate function as in
   question 3.5.3).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding empty lines at
	the bottom of my buffers?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line and C-; to
	scroll down by one line...

   Add the following (Thanks to Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> and
   Wayne Newberry <wayne@zen.cac.stratus.com>) to .emacs:

(defun scroll-up-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-up 1))

(defun scroll-down-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-down 1))

(global-set-key [(control ?.)]   'scroll-up-one-line)        ; C-.
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]   'scroll-down-one-line)      ; C-;

   The key point is that you can only bind simple functions to keys; you
   can not bind a key to a function that you're also passing arguments
   to. (See 3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions for a better answer).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?

   I cannot manage to globally bind my Delete key to something other than
   the default. How does one do this?

(defun Foo ()
  (interactive)
    (message "You hit DELETE"))

(global-set-key 'delete 'Foo)

   However, some modes explicitly bind Delete, so you would need to add a
   hook that does local-set-key for them. If what you want to do is make
   the Backspace and Delete keys work more PC/Motif-like, then take a
   look at the delbackspace.el package.
   
   New in XEmacs 19.14 is a variable called key-translation-map which
   makes it easier to bind Delete. delbackspace.el is a good example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time

   Can the cursor keys scroll the screen a line at a time, rather than
   the default half page jump? I tend it to find it disorienting.
   
   Try this:
(defun scroll-one-line-up (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window up (forward in the text) one line (or N lines)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-up (or arg 1)))

(defun scroll-one-line-down (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window down (backward in the text) one line (or N)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-down (or arg 1)))

(global-set-key 'up 'scroll-one-line-up)
(global-set-key 'down  'scroll-one-line-down)

   The following will also work but will affect more than just the cursor
   keys (i.e. C-n and C-p):

(setq scroll-step 1)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?

   The following works in GNU Emacs 19:
(global-set-key [help] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   The following works in XEmacs 19.13 with the addition of shift:
(global-set-key [(shift help)] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   But it doesn't work alone. This is in the file PROBLEMS which should
   have come with your XEmacs installation: Emacs ignores the help key
   when running OLWM.
   
   OLWM grabs the help key, and retransmits it to the appropriate client
   using XSendEvent. Allowing Emacs to react to synthetic events is a
   security hole, so this is turned off by default. You can enable it by
   setting the variable x-allow-sendevents to t. You can also cause fix
   this by telling OLWM to not grab the help key, with the null binding
   OpenWindows.KeyboardCommand.Help:.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?

   One way is to use the package x-compose. Then you can use sequences
   like Compose " a to get , etc.
   
   Another way is to use the iso8859-1 package.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ]
	'delete-char) complain?

   Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ] 'delete-char)
   complain of not being able to bind an unknown key?
   
   Try this instead:
(define-key global-map [delete_forward] 'delete-char)

   and it will work.
   
   What you are seeing above is a bug due to code that is trying to check
   for GNU Emacs bogosity like

(define-key global-map [C-M-a] 'delete-char)

   which otherwise would cause no errors but would not result in the
   expected behavior.
   
   This bug has been fixed in 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?

(load-library "delbackspace")

   Also see Question 3.5.4.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?

   Yes, with (setq modifier-keys-are-sticky t). This will give the effect
   of being able to press and release Shift and have the next character
   typed come out in upper case. This will affect all the other modifier
   keys like Control and Meta as well.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes:
   One thing about the sticky modifiers (this may only be implemented in
   19.14, I'm not sure) is that if you move the mouse out of the frame
   and back in, it cancels all currently stuck modifiers.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.6 The Cursor
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little thicker than
	one-pixel thick since I lose it?

   For a 1 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor t)

   For a 2 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor 'anything-else)

   You can use a color to make it stand out better:
Emacs*cursorColor:      Red

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor where the
	cursor covers the character in front of the point?

(setq bar-cursor nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?

   If you are running a version of XEmacs older than 19.14, no. Otherwise
   you can do the following:

(blink-cursor-mode)

   This function toggles between a steady cursor and a blinking cursor.
   You may also set this mode from the menu bar by selecting Options =>
   Frame Appearance => Blinking Cursor.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?

   I keep hitting the middle mouse button by accident and getting stuff
   pasted into my buffer so how can I turn this off?
   
   Here is an alternative binding, whereby the middle mouse button
   selects (but does not cut) the expression under the mouse. Clicking
   middle on a left or right paren will select to the matching one. Note
   that you can use define-key or global-set-key.

(defun Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select (event)
  "Sets the point at the mouse location, then marks following form"
  (interactive "@e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (mark-sexp 1)
  )
(define-key global-map 'button2 'Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse buttons?

   Use, for instance, [(meta button1)]. For example, here is a common
   setting for Common Lisp programmers who use the bundled ilisp package,
   whereby meta-button1 on a function name will find the file where the
   function name was defined, and put you at that location in the source
   file.
   
   [Inside a function that gets called by the lisp-mode-hook and
   ilisp-mode-hook]

(local-set-key [(meta button1)] 'edit-definitions-lisp)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the entries get
	highlighted when I move the mouse over them but clicking the
	left mouse does not do anything.

   Use the middle mouse button.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I hit button 3 on
	the mouse?

   The following code will actually replace the default popup on button3:

(defun cw-build-buffers ()
  "Popup buffer menu."
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(define-key global-map [(button3)] 'cw-build-buffers)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs and a cmdtool?

   We don't know. It's a bug. There does seem to be a work-around,
   however. Try running xclipboard first. It appears to fix the problem
   even if you exit it. (This should be mostly fixed in 19.13, but we
   haven't yet verified that).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where the text cursor
	is, not where the mouse pointer lies?

   Examine the function mouse-yank, by typing C-h f mouse-yank RET. To
   get XEmacs to paste at the text cursor, add this your .emacs:

(setq mouse-yank-at-point t)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?

   Just select the region normally, then use the rectangle commands (e.g.
   kill-rectangle) on it. The region does not highlight as a rectangle,
   but the commands work just fine.
   
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse do the
   following:

(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t)

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse you can also
   use mouse-track-do-rectangle which is assigned to M-button1. Then use
   rectangle commands.

 mouse-track-do-rectangle: (event)
   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
 Like `mouse-track' but selects rectangles instead of regions.

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?

   It actually doesn't. It leaves the region visible for a second so that
   you can see what area is being yanked. If you start working, though,
   it will immediately complete its operation. In other words, it will
   only delay for a second if you let it.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          3.8 The Menubar and ToolBar
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?

   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:

(set-menubar nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?

   For an extensive menubar, add this line to your .emacs:
(load "big-menubar")

   If you'd like to write your own, this file provides as good a set of
   examples as any to start from. The file is located in
   lisp/packages/big-menubar.el in the XEmacs installation directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in the menu
	Buffers list?

   Add the following to your .emacs (suit to fit):
(setq buffers-menu-max-size 20)

   For no limit, use an argument of nil.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like Emacs*menubar*font to set
	the font of the menubar but it's not working.

   If you are using the real Motif menubar, this resource is not
   recognized; you have to say

Emacs*menubar*fontList: FONT

   If you are using the Lucid menubar, the former resource will be
   recognized only if the latter resource is unset. This means that the
   resource

*fontList: FONT

   will override
Emacs*menubar*font: FONT

   even though the latter is more specific.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will turn the toolbar
	on and off?

   Try something like:
(global-set-key [(control x) T]
                '(lambda () (interactive)
                   (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p
                                  (not (specifier-instance
                                        default-toolbar-visible-p)))))

   There are redisplay bugs in 19.14 that may make the preceding result
   in a messed-up display, especially for frames with multiple windows.
   You may need to resize the frame before XEmacs completely realizes the
   toolbar is really gone.
   
   Thanks to Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> for the correct
   code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3.9 ScrollBars
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?

   To disable them for all frames, add the following line to your
   .Xdefaults:

Emacs.scrollBarWidth:  0

   To turn the scrollbar off on a per-frame basis, use the following
   function:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   You can actually turn the scrollbars on at any level you want by
   substituting for (selected-frame) in the above command. For example,
   to turn the scrollbars off only in a single buffer:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (current-buffer) 0))

   Starting with 19.14 you can use the more logical form:
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0 (selected-frame))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar colors?

   Here's a recap of how to use resources to change your scrollbar
   colors:

! Motif scrollbars

Emacs*XmScrollBar.Background: skyblue
Emacs*XmScrollBar.troughColor: lightgray

! Athena scrollbars

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

   Note the capitalization of Scrollbar for the Athena widget.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it moves the
	point as well, which should not be the default behavior. Is
	this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?

   The current behavior is a feature, not a bug. Point remains at the
   same buffer position as long as that position does not scroll off the
   screen. In that event, point will end up in either the upper-left or
   lower-left hand corner.
   
   This cannot be changed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?

   By the same token, how can I turn it off in specific modes?
   
   To do this, add to your .emacs file:
(require 'auto-show)

   Then do (setq truncate-lines t) in the mode-hooks for any modes in
   which you want lines truncated.
   
   More precisely: If truncate-lines is nil, horizontal scrollbars will
   never appear. Otherwise, they will appear only if the value of
   scrollbar-height for that buffer/window/etc. is non-zero. If you do

(set-specifier scrollbar-height 0)

   then horizontal scrollbars will not appear in truncated buffers unless
   the package specifically asked for them.
   
   Newsflash: Automatic horizontal scrolling is now standard with 19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             3.10 Text Selections
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted selections?

   The zmacs mode allows for what some might call gratuitous highlighting
   for selected regions (either by setting mark or by using the mouse).
   This is the default behavior. To turn off, add the following line to
   your .emacs file:

(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   To change the face for selection, look at Options->Edit Faces on the
   menubar.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some text and start
	typing, the typed text replaces the selected text?

   You want to use something called pending delete. Pending delete is
   what happens when you select a region (with the mouse or keyboard) and
   you press a key to replace the selected region by the key you typed.
   Usually backspace kills the selected region.
   
   To get this behavior, add the following line to your .emacs:
(require 'pending-del)

   Note that this will work with both Backspace and Delete.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am doing isearch as
	I am not able to see what's underneath. How do I turn it off?

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq isearch-highlight nil)

   Note also that isearch-highlight affects query-replace and ispell.
   Instead of disabling isearch-highlight you may find that a better
   solution consists of customizing the isearch face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p (mark-page). How
	do I turn this feature off?

   Put this in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   Warning: This command turns off all region highlighting.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward and hit the end
	of the buffer. How do I turn this feature off? [updated]

   Like this:
(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))
      ad-do-it)))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))
      ad-do-it)))

   Thanks to T. V. Raman <raman@adobe.com> for assistance in deriving
   this answer.
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
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                               XEmacs FAQ [6/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 6 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section will change monthly, and contains any interesting items that
   have transpired over the previous month. If you are reading this from
   the XEmacs distribution, please see the version on the Web or archived
   at the various FAQ FTP sites, as this file is surely out of date.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html>, and also at:
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   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   This file was last modified on July 27, 1996.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events [You are here]
          + Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?
          + Q6.0.2 Printing problems in XEmacs 19.14
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                Current Events
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?

   For the curious, the biggest changes in 19.15 will include integration
   of TM (a MIME package for VM and GNUS), EFS (the next generation of
   ange-ftp), and Auc-TeX, and a lite distribution that includes a
   minimal base and a set of optional packages (which will include TM,
   EFS, and Auc-TeX, as well as all of the large packages currently
   distributed with XEmacs). There will also still be a full distribution
   that includes all the optional packages.
   
   In the longer term, we are also working on a separate branch of XEmacs
   that includes full Asian-language (MULE) support. This work is
   currently in beta and is being supported by Sun Microsystems.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.2 Printing problems in 19.14

   There have been widespread reports of printing problems in XEmacs
   19.14. There is one nasty bug that also appears in GNU Emacs, that may
   be causing difficulties.
   
   If you are having troubles with postscript printing, go into the file
   lisp/packages/ps-print.el and look for the variable ps-print-prologue.
   There are four bogus comment lines that look like:
    1. % \20x
    2. % \24x
    3. % \30x
    4. % \34x
       
   Just delete them, and rebytecompile the file by typing at the command
   line:

xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile ps-print.el

   This change should allow you to print postscript. Please note that
   this bug also appears in GNU Emacs 19.34.
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                               XEmacs FAQ [5/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 5 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to anything that doesn't fit neatly into the other
   sections.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q5.1.5 was added on August 12.
    2. Q5.1.1 was updated on August 16.
    3. Q5.0.12 was updated on August 27.
    4. Q5.3.12 was added on September 5.
       
   This file was last modified on September 5, 1996.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous [You are here]
          + 5.0 Major & Minor Modes
               o Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using
                 font-lock?
               o Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old
                 c-mode?
               o Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax
                 Highlighting on by default?
               o Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?
               o Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode
                 (auto-fill) by default?
               o Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?
               o Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much
               o Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?
               o Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default
                 mode?
               o Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?
               o Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in
                 19.13 it doesn't. What gives?
               o Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new
                 frame? [updated]
               o Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that
                 each subsequent XEmacs is a client?
               o Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode
               o Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?
               o Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I
                 turn it off?
               o Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer
                 to view two info files at the same time?
               o Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped
                 working
               o Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?
          + 5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming Techniques
               o Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences
                 between XEmacs and GNU Emacs? [updated]
               o Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?
               o Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in
                 dired and have them put in separate buffers?
               o Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with
                 the line set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus
                 and AUC-TeX?
               o Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer?
                 [new]
          + 5.2 Sound
               o Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?
               o Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring
                 beep?
               o Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?
               o Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play
          + 5.3 Miscellaneous
               o Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all
                 the clauses of a Common Lisp if the same amount instead
                 of indenting the 3rd clause differently from the first
                 two?
               o Q5.3.2 Fontifying hangs when editing a postscript file.
               o Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?
               o Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.
               o Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for
                 finding files?
               o Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in
                 some way? Say, with: [END] ?
               o Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?
               o Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes
                 available for abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in
                 the info.
               o Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?
               o Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?
               o Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work?
                 [new]
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            5.0 Major & Minor Modes
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using font-lock?

   For most modes, font-lock is already set up and just needs to be
   turned on. This can be done by M-x font-lock-mode, or by having XEmacs
   automatically start it by adding lines like

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)

   to your .emacs. See the file etc/sample.emacs for more examples.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old c-mode?

   Well, first off, consider if you really want to do this. cc-mode is
   much more powerful than the old c-mode. If you're having trouble
   getting your old offsets to work, try using c-set-offset instead. You
   might also consider using the package cc-compat.
   
   But, if you still insist, add the following lines to your .emacs:
(fmakunbound 'c-mode)
(makunbound 'c-mode-map)
(fmakunbound 'c++-mode)
(makunbound 'c++-mode-map)
(makunbound 'c-style-alist)
(load-library "old-c-mode")
(load-library "old-c++-mode")

   This must be done before any other reference is made to either c-mode
   or c++-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax Highlighting on by
	default?

   For C, C++, and Lisp, you can add the following to your .emacs:
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords c++-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?

   Put the following line in your .emacs.
(setq indent-line-function 'indent-relative-maybe)

   If you want to get fancy, try the filladapt package available standard
   with XEmacs. Put this into your .emacs

(require 'filladapt)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook    'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
;;; and so forth ...

   Please note that the fa-extras package is no longer useful.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode (auto-fill) by
	default?

   Try the following lisp in your .emacs:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

   WARNING: note that changing the value of default-major-mode from
   fundamental-mode can break a large amount of built-in code that
   expects newly created buffers to be in fundamental-mode. (Changing
   from fundamental-mode to text-mode might not wreak too much havoc, but
   changing to something more exotic like a lisp-mode would break many
   Emacs packages).
   
   Note that Emacs by default starts up in buffer *scratch* in
   initial-major-mode, which defaults to lisp-interaction-mode. Thus
   adding the following form to your Emacs init file will cause the
   initial *scratch* buffer to be put into auto-fill'ed text-mode.

(setq initial-major-mode
      (function (lambda ()
        (text-mode)
        (turn-on-auto-fill))))

   Note that after your init file is loaded, if inhibit-startup-message
   is null (the default) and the startup buffer is *scratch* then the
   startup message will be inserted into *scratch*; it will be removed
   after a timeout by erasing the entire *scratch* buffer. Keep in mind
   this default usage of *scratch* if you desire any prior manipulation
   of *scratch* from within your Emacs init file. In particular, anything
   you insert into *scratch* from your init file will be later erased.
   Also, if you change the mode of the *scratch* buffer, be sure that
   this will not interfere with possible later insertion of the startup
   message (e.g. if you put *scratch* into a nonstandard mode that has
   automatic font lock rules, then the startup message might get
   fontified in a strange foreign manner, e.g. as code in some
   programming language).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?

   In the *shell* buffer:
M-x rename-buffer RET *shell-1* RET
M-x shell RET

   This will then start a second shell. The key is that no buffer named
   *shell* can exist. It might be preferable to use M-x rename-uniquely
   to rename the *shell* buffer instead of M-x rename-buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much

   I'm using the Emacs M-x shell function, and I would like to invoke and
   use a telnet session within it. Everything works fine except that now
   all ^M's are filtered out by Emacs. Fixes?
   
   Use M-x rsh or M-x telnet to open remote sessions rather than doing
   rsh or telnet within the local shell buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?

   We don't know, but you can use tpu-edt emulation instead, which works
   fine and is a little fancier than the standard edt emulation. To do
   this, add the following line to your .emacs:

(load "tpu-edt")

   If you don't want it to replace C-h with an edt-style help menu add
   this as well:

(global-set-key '(control h) 'help-for-help)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default mode?

   Our recommended VI emulator is viper. To make viper-mode the default,
   add this to your .emacs:

(viper-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?

   I have no idea where this is coming from, but ever since I moved from
   19.9 to 19.13 I have started seeing that all of my buffers will get a
   minor mode called Omit. I have no idea how it got there nor do I know
   what it does. What is it?
   
   It's part of dired. In dired, you can type M-o to get Omit mode and
   that will ignore uninteresting files (checkpoint files and backups,
   for example). You get Omit in the modeline everywhere because the
   variable `dired-omit-files-p' is globally set to some non-nil value.
   If you want this functionality, it's probably best to use a hook:

(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook '(lambda () (dired-omit-toggle)))

   Alternatively, since it seems odd to toggle the omit state with every
   readin, since readin can happen many times in a Dired buffer, you can
   try this hook to correct the Omit problem:

(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
  (function (lambda ()
      ;; `dired-omit-files-p' is made buffer-local by "dired-x.el", but
      ;; maybe not soon enough.
            (make-local-variable 'dired-omit-files-p)
            (setq dired-omit-files-p t))))

   This is only run once, when the Dired buffer is created.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in 19.13 it
	doesn't. What gives?

   Filladapt 2.x is included in 19.13+. In it filladapt is now a minor
   mode and minor modes are traditionally off by default. The following
   added to your .emacs will turn it on for all buffers:

(setq-default filladapt-mode t)

   Use turn-on-filladapt-mode to turn Filladapt on in particular major
   modes, like this:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new frame? [updated]

   If you set the gnuserv-frame variable to the frame that should be used
   to display buffers that are pulled up, a new frame will not be
   created. For example, you could put

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))

   early on in your .emacs, to ensure that the first frame created is the
   one used for your gnuserv buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that each
	subsequent XEmacs is a client?

   Put the following in your .emacs file to start the server:
(gnuserv-start)

   Start your first XEmacs as usual. After that, you can do
gnuclient randomfilename

   from the command line to get your existing XEmacs process to open a
   new frame and visit randomfilename in that window. When you're done
   editing randomfilename, hit C-x # to kill the buffer and get rid of
   the frame.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode

   Sometimes (i.e. it's not repeatable, and I can't work out why it
   happens) when I'm typing into shell mode, I hit return and only a
   portion of the command is given to the shell, and a blank prompt is
   returned. If I hit return again, the rest of the previous command is
   given to the shell.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   There is a known problem with interaction between csh and the filec
   option and XEmacs. You should add

if ( "$TERM" == emacs || "$TERM" == unknown ) unset filec

   to your .cshrc.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?

   Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
   This can be had from <URL:http://www.python.org/ftp/emacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I turn it off?

   auto-show-mode controls whether or not a horizontal scrollbar
   magically appears when a line is too long to be displayed. This is
   enabled by default. To turn it off, put the following in your .emacs:

(setq auto-show-mode nil)
(setq-default auto-show-mode nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer to view two
	info files at the same time?

   You can't. The info package does not provide for multiple info
   buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped working

   Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
   It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv. The installation
   didn't put the binary into the public bin directory. It put it in
   lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv. Shouldn't it have been
   put in bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.0?
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?

   David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
   The standard TeX modes leave much to be desired, and are somewhat
   leniently maintained. Serious TeX users use AucTeX. See Q4.7.1.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                          5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.1 What is the difference in key sequences between XEmacs and GNU
	Emacs? [updated]

   Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes; Emacs has a legacy of keyboards
   that produced characters with modifier bits, and therefore map a
   variety of input systems into this scheme even today. XEmacs is
   instead optimized for X events. This causes an incompatibility in the
   way key sequences are specified, but both Emacs and XEmacs will accept
   a key sequence as a vector of lists of modifiers that ends with a key,
   e.g., to bind M-C-a, you would say [(meta control a)] in both Emacsen.
   XEmacs has an abbreviated form for a single key, just (meta control
   a). Emacs has an abbreviated form for the Control and the Meta
   modifiers to string-characters (the ASCII characters), as in
   "\M-\C-a". XEmacs users need to be aware that the abbreviated form
   works only for one-character key sequences, while Emacs users need to
   be aware that the string-character is rather limited. Specifically,
   the string-character can accomodate only 256 different values, 128 of
   which have the Meta modifier and 128 of which have not. In each of
   these blocks, only 32 characters have the Control modifier. Whereas
   [(meta control A)] differs from [(meta control a)] because the case
   differs, "\M-\C-a" and "\M-\C-A" do not. Programmers are advised to
   use the full common form, both because it is more readable and less
   error-prone, and because it is supported by both Emacsen.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?

   I wonder if there is an interactive function that can generate fake
   keyboard events. This way, I could simply map them inside XEmacs.
   
   This seems to work:
(defun cg--generate-char-event (ch)
  "Generate an event, as if ch has been typed"
  (dispatch-event (character-to-event ch)))

;;  Backspace and Delete stuff
(global-set-key '(backspace)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 127)))
(global-set-key '(unknown_keysym_0x4)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 4)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in dired and have
	them put in separate buffers?

   You can put this in your .emacs and then F will find marked files.
(add-hook
 'dired-load-hook
 (function (lambda ()
             (define-key dired-mode-map "F"
               (function
                (lambda () (interactive)
                  (mapcar 'find-file
                          (dired-mark-get-files))))))))

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   You can also use dired-x.el (Sebastian Kremer's Extra DIRED). It
   defines F and makes other improvements too. See dired/dired-x.el in
   the XEmacs distribution.
   
   In your ~/.emacs, add:
(setq dired-load-hook '(lambda () (load "dired-x")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with the line
	set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus and AUC-TeX?

   The real problem is out of date software. Upgrade to later versions of
   Gnus and AUC-TeX where this problem doesn't exist.
   
   The problem lies with the needs for an Emacs function,
   set-text-properties, which generally isn't required by XEmacs. The
   solutions include adding the following code to your .emacs:

(fset 'set-text-properties (symbol-function 'ignore))

   or
(defadvice set-text-properties (around ignore-strings activate)
  "Ignore strings."
  (or (stringp (ad-get-arg 3))
      ad-do-it))

   or probably the canonical solution (posted by C.Thompson, on
   10/17/95):

(defun set-text-properties (start end props &optional buffer)
  "You should NEVER use this function.  It is ideologically blasphemous.
It is provided only to ease porting of broken FSF Emacs programs."
  (if (stringp buffer) nil
    (map-extents
     #'(lambda (extent ignored)
         (remove-text-properties
          start end (list (extent-property extent 'text-prop) nil)
          buffer))
     buffer start end nil nil 'text-prop)
    (add-text-properties start end props buffer)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer? [new]

   Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

(let ((image-glyph (make-glyph-internal)))
(seems to be unavoidable to do 'make-glyph-internal')

Now for viewing files:
(set-glyph-image image-glyph view-graph-file-buf))

and for viewing already loaded buffers:
(setq image-glyph (make-glyph
                   (vector view-graph-file-format :data
                           (buffer-substring
                           (point-min)
                           (point-max)))))

   The thing I couldn't figure out is how to make XEmacs guess the format
   from the contents - like it does for files. So it's a real pain to
   extract the format from the extensions of the file-name...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                   5.2 Sound
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq bell-volume 0)
(setq sound-alist nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring beep?

   Make sure your XEmacs was compiled with sound support, and then put
   this in your .emacs:

(load-default-sounds)

   The sound support in XEmacs 19.14 is greatly improved over previous
   versions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?

   See Part 2, Q2.0.3 which has an explanation of the Network Audio
   System.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play

   I'm having some trouble with sounds I've downloaded from sunsite. They
   play when I run them through showaudio or cat them directly to
   /dev/audio, but XEmacs refuses to play them.
   
   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   [Many of] These files have an (erroneous) 24byte header that tells
   about the format that they have been recorded in. If you cat them to
   /dev/audio, the header will be ignored and the default behavior for
   /dev/audio will be used. This happens to be 8kHz uLaw. It is probably
   possible to fix the header by piping through sox and passing explicit
   parameters for specifying the sampling format; you then need to
   perform a 'null' conversion from SunAudio to SunAudio.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               5.3 Miscellaneous
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all the clauses of
	a Common Lisp if the same amount instead of indenting the 3rd
	clause differently from the first two?

   One way is to add, to .emacs:
(put 'if 'lisp-indent-function nil)

   However, note that the package cl-indent.el that comes with XEmacs
   sets up this kind of indentation by default. cl-indent also knows
   about many other CL-specific forms. To use cl-indent, one can do this:

(load "cl-indent")
(setq lisp-indent-function (function common-lisp-indent-function))

   One can also customize cl-indent.el so it mimics the default if
   indentation then indented more than the else). Here's how:

(put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function '(nil nil &body))

   Also, a new version (1.2) of cl-indent.el was posted to
   comp.emacs.xemacs on 12/9/94. This version includes more documentation
   than previous versions. This may prove useful if you need to customize
   any indent-functions.
   
   NB: I would have thought with the passage of time this would be the
   standard version by now, but that appears not to be the case. The
   version of filladapt included with 19.14 is last dated 1993, and does
   not have a version number.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.

   When I try to edit a postscript file it gets stuck saying: fontifying
   'filename' (regexps....) and it just sits there. If I press C-c in the
   window where XEmacs was started, it suddenly becomes alive again.
   
   This was caused by a bug in the Postscript font-lock regular
   expressions. It should be fixed in 19.13. For earlier versions of
   XEmacs, have a look at your .emacs file. You will probably have a line
   like:

(add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

   Take it out, restart XEmacs, and it won't try to fontify your
   postscript files anymore.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?

   Font-lock looks nice. How can I print (WYSIWYG) the highlighted
   document?
   
   The package ps-print.el, which is now included with XEmacs, provides
   the ability to do this. The source code contains complete instructions
   on its use: <xemacs_src_root>/lisp/packages/ps-print.el
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.

   My printer is a Postscript printer and lpr only works for Postscript
   files, so how do I get M-x lpr-region and M-x lpr-buffer to work? Put
   something like this in your .emacs:

(setq lpr-command "a2ps -p -1")

   If you don't use a2ps to convert ASCII to postscript (why not, it's
   free?), replace with the command you do use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for finding files?

   You can specify what paths to use by using a number of different flags
   when running configure. See the section MAKE VARIABLES in the
   top-level file INSTALL in the XEmacs distribution for a listing of
   those flags.
   
   Most of the time, however, the simplest fix is: DO NOT specify paths
   as you might for GNU Emacs. XEmacs can generally determine the
   necessary paths dynamically at run time. The only path that generally
   needs to be specified is the root directory to install into. That can
   be specified by passing the --prefix flag to configure. For a
   description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in some way? Say,
	with: [END] ?

(make-annotation "[END]" (point-max) 'text (current-buffer))

   Note that you might want to put this in a hook. You might also need:
(require 'annotations)

   since make-annotation is not defined by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?

   Like this:
(insert (current-time-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes available for
	abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in the info.

   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   Yes, abbrevs only expands word-syntax strings. While XEmacs does not
   prevent you from defining (e.g. with C-x a g or C-x a l) abbrevs that
   contain special characters, it will refuse to expand them. So you need
   to ensure, that the abbreviation contains letters and digits only.
   This means that xd, d5, and 5d are valid abbrevs, but &d, and x d are
   not.
   
   If this sounds confusing to you, (re-)read the online documentation
   for abbrevs:

M-x Info-goto-node RET
(Emacs)Abbrevs RET

   or C-h i m Emacs RET m Abbrevs RET and then come back and read this
   question/answer again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?

   Firstly there is an ftp site which describes X-faces and has the
   associated tools mentioned below.
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/faces/>.
   
   Then the steps are
    1. Create 48x48x1 bitmap with your favorite tool
    2. convert to "icon" format using one of xbm2ikon, pbmtoicon, etc.
       and then compile the face

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |compface > file.face
    3. Then be sure to quote things that are necessary for emacs strings

cat ./file.face | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'  | sed 's/\"/\\\"/g' > ./file.face.quoted
    4. Then set up emacs to include the file as a mail header - there
       were a couple of suggestions here - either something like

(setq  mail-default-headers
  "X-Face:  <Ugly looking text string here>")
   or

       (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))

       (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

   However, 2 things might be wrong:
   
   Some versions of pbmtoicon produces some header lines that is not
   expected by the version of compface that I grabbed. So I found I had
   to include a 'tail +3' in the pipeline like this:

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon | tail +3 |compface > file.face

   Some people have also found that if one uses the (insert-file ...)
   method, one should NOT quote the face string using the sed script .
   
   It might also be helpful to use Stig <stig@hackvan.com>'s script
   (included in the compface distribution at XEmacs.org) to do the
   conversion. For convenience xbm2xface is available for anonymous FTP
   at
   ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/xemacs/xbm2xface.pl.
   
   Contributors for this item:
Paul Emsley,
Ricardo Marek,
Amir J. Katz,
Glen McCort,
Heinz Uphoff,
Peter Arius,
Paul Harrison, and
Vegard Vesterheim

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?

   You use something like:
(setq Info-directory-list (cons
                            (expand-file-name "~/info")
                            Info-default-directory-list))

   David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
   Emacs Info and XEmacs Info do many things differently. If you're
   trying to support a number of versions of Emacs, here are some notes
   to remember:
    1. Emacs Info scans Info-directory-list from right-to-left while
       XEmacs Info reads it from left-to-right, so append to the correct
       end of the list.
    2. Use Info-default-directory-list to initialize Info-directory-list
       if it is available at startup, but not all Emacsen define it.
    3. Emacs Info looks for a standard dir file in each of the
       directories scanned from #1 and magically concatenates them
       together.
    4. XEmacs Info looks for a localdir file (which consists of just the
       menu entries from a dir file) in each of the directories scanned
       from #1 (except the first), does a simple concatentation of them,
       and magically attaches the resulting list to the end of the menu
       in the dir file in the first directory.
       
   Another alternative is to convert the documentation to HTML with
   texi2html and read it from a web browser like Lynx or W3.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work? [new]

   For regular printing there are two variables that can be customized.
   
   lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes standard input and
          sends it to a printer. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-command "lp")

   lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list that contains whatever the print
          command requires to do its job. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-switches '("-depson"))

   For postscript printing there are three analogous variables to
   customize.
   
   ps-lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes postscript on
          standard input and directs it to a postscript printer.
          
   ps-lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list of switches required for
          ps-lpr-command to do its job.
          
   ps-print-color-p
          This boolean variable should be set t if printing will be done
          in color, otherwise it should be set to nil.
          
   NOTE: It is an undocumented limitation in XEmacs 19.14 that postscript
   printing (the Pretty Print Buffer menu item) requires a window system
   environment. It cannot be used outside of X11.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 4 Part 6 =>

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From: Dinesh Dutt <brat@mri.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Tcl mode in xemacs different from emacs???
Date: 05 Oct 1996 23:21:57 -0700
Organization: Microtec Research
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Hi,

> I can't send my emacs buffer to a tcl-process like in emacs.  Is there a
> way to get around this??

Is your mode tcl-mode ? I can do this in XEmacs 19.14. Check the Tcl menu on
the main menubar or click on the rightmost mouse-button. I think this feature
was present even in XEmacs-19.13. 
> Kevin

Hope this helps,

Dinesh
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Subject: Re: Is XEmacs threaded?
Date: 05 Oct 1996 23:27:51 -0700
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Hi,

No, XEmacs is not threaded either and don't think this feature will be added
RSN, though I could be wrong.

Dinesh
dsmou1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Daryl Moulder) writes:
> 
> Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a large file 
> while running a shell command while still letting me edit?
> 

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From: etorwi@eto.ericsson.se (Wiker, Raymond)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: column number display
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Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com> writes:
> Try putting-
> (display-column-mode nil)
> (line-number-mode nil)
> In your .emacs
> 
> I find displaying the column mode eats a lot of real-time,
> so I have bound it to a key to toggle it, as below:
> (define-key global-map [f2] 'display-column-mode)

	It might be better (faster!) to use column-number-mode instead
of display-column-mode - unfortunately, the modeline format does not
contain the necessary magic to actually show the column information!
The following code (stolen from Per Abrahamsen's column.el, which
defines display-column-mode ;-) should help:

;;;
;;; Add column number information to modeline format if necessary
;;; (which it is for xemacs 19.14, at least.)
;;;
(or (assoc 'column-number-mode modeline-format)
    (let ((column-number-entry '(column-number-mode "C%c--"))
	   (column-number-after 'line-number-mode)
	   entry)
      (setq entry (member (assoc column-number-after modeline-format)
			  modeline-format))
      (setcdr entry (cons column-number-entry (cdr entry)))
      (setq-default modeline-format (copy-sequence modeline-format))))

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3500.oren.co.il>
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Hi,
I want to use the itimer package to monitor heavy code run in xemacs 19.13.
The code is generating reference variables, and the function called by itimer
has to decide based on them what to do. One of the actions I need to take is
stop one of the functions being executed, and make it return an error signal.

for example:
function `a' calls function `b', which in turn calls function `c' with
(condition-case nil (c) (error nil))
now, function `c' generates some signals, based on them I've got to stop it's
run, and generate an error (which will be captured by `b', and `b' will
continue to run), or let it continue running.

I need this somewhat strange approach, since I can't do the obvious and change
the code of `c'.

I have the monitor function called by itimer, and it makes the right
decisions (I play some messages). My problem is how to make it stop the
execution of `c'?

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin K Lewis <lewikk@aud.alcatel.com> writes:

    Kevin> The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the
    Kevin> mailing list won't allow me to subscribe.

    Kevin> Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report
    Kevin> problems or bugs?  Supposedly, the mailing list is for this
    Kevin> purpose.

The author has been silent for some time now. Don't know whether he
still maintains it or not.

    Kevin> Is anyone even using it?

I am. Works fairly well.

Richard.

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>>>>> "Justin" == Justin Gordon <justin@mcm.com> writes:

Justin> Where can I find this hide-ifdef package?

It's called hideif.el:
;;; hide-ifdef-mode.el --- hides selected code within ifdef.

;; Copyright (C) 1988, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Dan LaLiberte <liberte@a.cs.uiuc.edu>

and is included standard in emacs (lisp/modes/hideif.el in XEmacs).
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Hi all together

I am new on Xemacs (19.14) and try to set up a development enviroment
for writing C/C++ programs.
The problem I face in the moment is that I am unable to compile any
source from inside Xemacs. All I get is the following message in a
compile window like this:

> cd /home/pspoerri/src/test/
> make -k
> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
>
> Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Oct  6 22:58:17

Furtheron I am not able to change my colors or fonts to e.g.
lucida-typewriter permanently.

Any help or advice is welcome.

cheers Peter


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Hi,

is it normal for Xemacs on DEC osf 3.2c to
make something like following when you use syntax highlighting 
and copy two line into buffer, and also in others situations ???

Is it caused because I use osf 3.2c or maybe by something else ??

I got the message like that:

>Fatal error (11).
>Your files have been auto-saved.
>Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.

>Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
>If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
>it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
>To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
>of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
>directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
>directory), and type

>  gdb /usr/users/webadmin/xemacs/bin/xemacs core

>then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
>(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
>or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
>these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)
>Segmentation faultation 


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From: Kent Lee <leekentd@luther.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: changing fonts permanently
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 19:57:39 -0500
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Peter Spoerri wrote:
> 
To change fonts permanently you must make sure that under
Options->Menubar Appearance you deselect the Frame-Local Font Menu
option. Then your font selection will be applied to the current and all
future frames.

  -- Kent


> Furtheron I am not able to change my colors or fonts to e.g.
> lucida-typewriter permanently.
> 
> Any help or advice is welcome.

-- 
Kent D. Lee
Visiting Assistant Professor, Computer Science
Luther College, Decorah, IA 52101
http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~klee

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: compile
Date: 07 Oct 1996 00:31:44 +0200
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Peter Spoerri (pspoerri@access.ch) wrote:
> I am new on Xemacs (19.14) and try to set up a development enviroment
> for writing C/C++ programs.
> The problem I face in the moment is that I am unable to compile any
> source from inside Xemacs. All I get is the following message in a
> compile window like this:
> 
> > cd /home/pspoerri/src/test/
> > make -k
> > make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
> >
> > Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Oct  6 22:58:17

Well, do you have a makefile in your test directory?  If not, either
create one or change the default "make -k" to something else, like
"gcc test.c".

-- 
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From: amca@matilda.vut.edu.au (Alasdair McAndrew)
Subject: Mime tools for lemacs-19.10?
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Hi there,

Are there any tools for viewing MIME messages in vm under lemacs-19.10?  
Our sys admin is balking at replacing this with xemacs-19.14, so for the 
time being I'm stuck with lemacs-19.10.

Looking forward to your replies!

cheers,

Alasdair McAndrew               Dept. of Computer and Mathematical Sciences
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Subject: Need money
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SENDER: xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

I just read an article in an internet newsgroup describing how
to make $50,000.00 in only one month from a $5.00 investment.

Of course I thought this was rediculous ,or some type of pyramid.
I talked it over with my family, an attorney, and my friends, and
they all agreed it was some sort of scam.I hate scams because
usually someone gets burned, and I didn't want it to be me!
I blew it off for a few weeks then saw another one in a
newsgroup I go to alot and thought, "Maybe this is legitimate!".
Besides, whats $5.00 , I spend more than that in the morning on
my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day.


Well, two weeks later,I began recieving money in the mail!
I couldn't believe it! Not just a little , I mean big bucks!
At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a
couple of thousand , then BOOM . By the end of the fourth
week , I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came from all
over the world.And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had
enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.
Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks.  Dave Manning claims
he made $53,664 in the same amount of time.  Dan Shepstone says it was
only $17,000 for him.  Do I know these folks?  No, but when I read how
they say they did it, it made sense to me.  Enough sense that I'm
taking a similar chance with $5 of my own money.  Not a big chance, I
admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone
ever invests in this system.  Period.  That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan
invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each,
in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way.  Here's how it works in 3
easy steps:


STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate
pieces of paper along with the words, "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING
LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone;
you're paying for a legitimate service.)  Fold a $1 bill, money order,
or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail
to the following five addresses: (Remember: It costs more to send a
letter to Europe, Asia or so)


 1.    Kristoffer Hochnowski
       Peter Ostbyes gt.8
       3014 Drammen
       Norway

 2.    Kevin Marshall
       2320 Crystal Downs Ct.
       Oxnard, CA 93030
       USA

 3.    Chris Molloy
       256 Cathedral Avnue
       Winnipeg, Manitoba
       Canada
       R2W 0X5

 4.    Pat Vandoren
       1160 des Tourterlles
       St-Elie d'Orford, Quibec
       JOB 2SO
       CANADA

 5.    Ben Okhuysen
       Simplonbaan 244
       3524 GT Utrecht
       Netherlands


STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are at
    least 17000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can.Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

     You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
     returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the internet is new
     and huge. There is no way you can lose.

    Now here is how and why this system works:

    Out of every block of 200 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.

    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 200
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings.On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!

    Now these 50 new people will make 200 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 200 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!

    Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 200
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.

    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE MONEY!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL,AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

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From: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Is XEmacs threaded?
Date: 7 Oct 96 13:48:37 GMT
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In <d9enjcvc7s.fsf@sun295.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> Dinesh Dutt <brat@mri.com> writes:

>Hi,

>No, XEmacs is not threaded either and don't think this feature will be added
>RSN, though I could be wrong.

>Dinesh
>dsmou1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Daryl Moulder) writes:
>> 
>> Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a large file 
>> while running a shell command while still letting me edit?
>> 

  Just out of curiosity... what are people's beliefs of the areas in
XEmacs that would benefit most from being multithreaded?  Each frame,
IO, the GUI all in there own thread?

-- 
Kent Vander Velden
graphix@iastate.edu


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From: rio@eastside.erfurt.thur.de (Peter Lahn)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: xemacs 19.14 & mailcrypt
Date: 7 Oct 1996 12:52:43 GMT
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hy !
yesterday i have updated my xemacs19.13 to xemacs19.14 under linux.
all works fine but mailcrypt (v3.4) doesnt work anymore. 
if i try to encrypt a message ive got the following error.
"Wrong type argument: listp, :-pos"
so please...can anybody tell me whats wrong or can give me a hint!?
thx in advance!!!!

				bye Peter

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From: Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
To: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Is XEmacs threaded?
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
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References: <532bde$sjl@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>
	<d9enjcvc7s.fsf@sun295.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>
	<graphix.844696117@spiff.cc.iastate.edu>

Kent A. Vander Velden writes:
 >   Just out of curiosity... what are people's beliefs of the areas in
 > XEmacs that would benefit most from being multithreaded?  Each frame,
 > IO, the GUI all in there own thread?
 > 

As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to be able to continue editing
whilst gnus is polling my nntp server.  This is the only area I feel
really needs threading - I'm already able to compile whilst editing
(although I guess this isn't a true thread).

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From: Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: emacs for mac?
Date: 07 Oct 1996 10:55:10 -0400
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Christoph Hollmann <hollmann@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> writes:

> 
> I am looking for an emacs or xemacs  which is running on a mac. Does
> such a port  exist at all?
> -- 

The only one I have seen is Marc Parmet's at :

ftp://ftp.cs.cornell.edu/pub/parmet

I've used it a bit and it's not bad. I wish it were maintained on a 
regular basis. Any chance of getting these changes folded in with the 
XEmacs/GNUEmacs distributions?

-Steve

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Mr Daryl Moulder (dsmou1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
> Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a large file 
> while running a shell command while still letting me edit?

XEmacs is not threaded.  However, it can execute external commands
asynchronously.  That is, yes, you can unzip a large file, run a shell
command and edit.  But you cannot e.g. get nntp (which is an internal
activity) and edit at the same time.

> Any comments on the likelihood of the feature being added to an emacs any 
> time soon?

I think it is very unlikely.  However, things do change -- who knows
what might be in a year or so?

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In article <graphix.844696117@spiff.cc.iastate.edu> on 7 Oct 96 13:48:37 GMT,
graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden) writes:

  > ... what are people's beliefs of the areas in
  > XEmacs that would benefit most from being multithreaded?

Each buffer being a separate thread would be ideal.  The XEmacs
would be closer to being a usable OS.

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Kevin K. Lewis (lewikk@aud.alcatel.com) wrote:

: The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the mailing list
: won't allow me to subscribe.

: Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report problems or
: bugs?  Supposedly, the mailing list is for this purpose.

: Is anyone even using it?

I use it occasionally, and it serves me well.


: Thanks.

: -- 
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: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com       | but such is the voice of inspiration

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Greetings,

I'm new to xemacs and could someone help me link the
files in /usr/info directory to xemacs.  I've read the
text information at the beginning of the dir file and
the info files on info and I don't get it.  Thanks

Guy Bourdon
Ottawa Canada


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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin K Lewis <lewikk@aud.alcatel.com> writes:

> The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the mailing list won't
> allow me to subscribe.

Not sure what the status of the mailing list is anymore.

> Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report problems or bugs?
> Supposedly, the mailing list is for this purpose.

Bob Weiner left Motorola and is now working at a startup.  You could try
contacting him at weiner@cubicon.com, but I'm not sure what his schedule is
like anymore.

> Is anyone even using it?

It seems to be getting a fair amount of use, but it probably was not tested
out with XEmacs 19.14.  I know a couple of things changed that adversely
affected Koutline and Hyperbole (modeline and extents), so I wouldn't doubt
there are problems with OOBR.  Hopefully, though, they're minor.

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I like to have the local time in my log files, and so I have defined
my RCSINIT environment variable to be the following string:

	-zLT

In XEmacs 19.13 (at least), this prevents checking out previous
versions of a file with the "Tools -> VC -> Visit Other Version..."
menu item.

I traced the problem to `vc-fetch-properties' in the "vc.el" file.
Simply passing the "-z" flag (i.e. force usage of UTC) to "rlog" fixes
the problem.  Here's the context diff:


*** vc.el.orig  Thu Aug 31 22:34:49 1995
--- vc.el       Mon Sep 30 17:09:39 1996
***************
*** 1400,1405 ****
--- 1400,1409 ----
      )
    )
  
+ (defun vc-rename-this-file (new)
+   (interactive "FVC rename file to: ")
+   (vc-rename-file buffer-file-name new))
+ 
  ;;;###autoload
  (defun vc-update-change-log (&rest args)
    "Find change log file and add entries from recent RCS logs.
***************
*** 1661,1667 ****
                      '(vc-latest-version vc-your-latest-version))
        )
      ;; RCS
!     (vc-log-info "rlog" file 'MASTER nil
                 (list
                  "^locks: strict\n\t\\([^:]+\\)"
                  "^locks: strict\n\t[^:]+: \\(.+\\)"
--- 1665,1671 ----
                      '(vc-latest-version vc-your-latest-version))
        )
      ;; RCS
!     (vc-log-info "rlog" file 'MASTER '("-z")
                 (list
                  "^locks: strict\n\t\\([^:]+\\)"
                  "^locks: strict\n\t[^:]+: \\(.+\\)"

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I've had the same problem with xemacs. If I change the font settings and
then save options, then the .emacs and .xemacs-options files are not even
written to.

Any ideas?

Pabs

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From: Peter Spoerri <pspoerri@access.ch>
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Hi all together

I am new on Xemacs (19.14) and try to set up a development enviroment
for writing C/C++ programs.
The problem I face in the moment is that I am unable to compile any
source from inside Xemacs. All I get is the following message in a
compile window like this:

> cd /home/pspoerri/src/test/
> make -k 
> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
>
> Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Oct  6 22:58:17

Furtheron I am not able to change my colors or fonts to e.g.
lucida-typewriter permanently.

Any help or advice is welcome.

cheers Peter

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Hi,

I'd like to disable the toolbar feature of vm, and am having difficulty
finding out how to do it.  The vm info file is of little help, and I'm
got really knowledgable of elisp code to figure this out.

How is this done?

Thanks,

Shawn

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Hi!

How to set Xemacs mode for C++ ?
I don't need to type in all the keywords, do I?
Thanks 

- Yeh


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>>>>> "John" == John S Cooper <jsc@eng.sun.com> writes:

>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> So how can I make XEmacs pass "-display :0.1" to "netscape" ?

Steven> Put this in your .emacs before you load VM:

Steven> (setq browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape) (setq
Steven> browse-url-netscape-arguments '("display" ":0.1"))

John> The original question was w.r.t VM, and the above variable isn't
John> consulted by VM ...

That's not how I read the code (from 19.14/vm-vars.el):
;; if browse-url is around (always will be in XEmacs 19.14) use it;
;; otherwise do our own support.
(if (boundp 'browse-url-browser-function)
    (defvaralias 'vm-url-browser 'browse-url-browser-function)
  (defvar vm-url-browser
    (cond ((fboundp 'w3-fetch-other-frame)
           'w3-fetch-other-frame)
          ((fboundp 'w3-fetch)
           'w3-fetch)
          (t 'vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape))
  "*Non-nil value means VM should enable URL passing.
This means that VM will search for URLs (Universal Resource
Locators) in messages and make it possible for you to pass them
to a World Wide Web browser.
 ...

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>>>>> "Steven" == 0 Steven Kuzmeski x6697 B-060 <kuzmessp@pweh.com> writes:

Steven> If I compile the .el file under XEmacs, it loads fine.
Steven>  o Are .elc files not compatible?

Emacs .elcs are not compatible with XEmacs, however ...

Steven>  o Are XEmacs .elc files compatible in FSF emacs?

XEmacs .elcs will work fine in GNU Emacs.
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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:

Mike> As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to be able to continue editing
Mike> whilst gnus is polling my nntp server.  This is the only area I
Mike> feel really needs threading - I'm already able to compile whilst
Mike> editing (although I guess this isn't a true thread).

Agreed.  Lars has added some asynchronous NNTP support to Red Gnus,
though I haven't personally tried it yet.

Threaded emacsen have been widely requested, but there are technical
issues surrounding the read-eval-print/redisplay processing that
ensure it won't get solved in the near future.
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Lahn <rio@eastside.erfurt.thur.de> writes:

Peter> hy !
Peter> yesterday i have updated my xemacs19.13 to xemacs19.14 under linux.
Peter> all works fine but mailcrypt (v3.4) doesnt work anymore. 
Peter> if i try to encrypt a message ive got the following error.
Peter> "Wrong type argument: listp, :-pos"
Peter> so please...can anybody tell me whats wrong or can give me a hint!?
Peter> thx in advance!!!!

Please rebytecompile the mailcrypt .elcs (this is a general problem
with the 19.14 distribution).
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>>>>> "Eyal" == Eyal Wirsansky <ewirsans@faxjet.com> writes:

Eyal> Hello,

Eyal> I have tried to install Xemacs 19.14 on a (pentium based) SCO
Eyal> UnixWare machine. The Unix version installed in this machine is
Eyal> marked as 'System V 4.2MP 2.1'.

Eyal> After ftp'ing the source code, I first ran 'configure' without
Eyal> any parameters. 'configure' came up with the guess
Eyal> 'i386-univel-sysv4.2MP', which made sense. But, running 'make'
Eyal> consequently has failed, due to an attempt to issue a 'ranlib'
Eyal> command, which is not recognized by the machine. Trying to run
Eyal> 'configure' with some other variations of the machine-argument
Eyal> did not improve the final result.

Eyal> If anybody knows how to fix the situation, or already have a
Eyal> compiled version of Xemacs for the UnixWare machine, it would be
Eyal> a of a great help to me.

Since no one has apparently responded yet, there are two brute force
things you can do to get further.  Hack the configure script to not
call ranlib:
if test "x$RANLIB" = x; then
  RANLIB=ranlib
fi

Change this to read:
if test "x$RANLIB" = x; then
  RANLIB=:
fi

Or add a shell script to your path called `ranlib' that consists of:
#! /bin/sh
exit 0

and see how much further you get.
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: auto indent 4 instead of 2
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>>>>> "James" == James Tang <jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

James> Does anyone know how to set the auto indent to 4 spaces instead
James> of 2 spaces (this is the default) in C and C++ ?

Select Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar to get a look at an
example .emacs.  Buried within are the magic lines:

;; Change the indentation amount to 4 spaces instead of 2.
;; You have to do it in this complicated way because of the
;; strange way the cc-mode initializes the value of `c-basic-offset'.
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda () (setq c-basic-offset 4)))


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>>>>> "M" == M Alan Ross <maross@pd10.llnl.gov> writes:

M> Hi,
M> 	I hope this is the correct place to post an Xemacs question. I am a new
M> user and do not know much about customizing the .emacs file.  There is a
M> .el routine called column.el that displays the line and column in the
M> mode line.  It is intended for use with emacs but I would, of course,
M> like to Xemacs.  Is there a similar elisp routine that works with
M> Xemacs.

M-x column-number-mode

M> I guess I would also like to have some general knowledge as to
M> why column.el does not work with Xemacs. I include the routine below
M> because it is quite short.  Thank you for your time.

You can compare it to the version actually in XEmacs since the one in
XEmacs is a later version of the file you have.  However, it *does*
work in XEmacs when you remove the line `(require 'lucid)', which is a
lucid emacs compatibility package used by GNU Emacs, and not necessary
(or present) in XEmacs.
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> I'm using ange-ftp to monitor and then copy files from my
Rick> account on a Windows NT server. It works fine, but I have two
Rick> questions.

Rick> 1. I can't seem to make a symlink between NT files and my unix
Rick>    directory. This would be very handy.

Symbolic links on a NT filesystem?  I don't think you can do that.

Rick> 2. In copying files with extension .DAT and .TEX, ange-ftp sets Type
Rick>    binary. I want ascii. Where is the alist I should edit?

That is because they are being matched with the
ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp variable.  It doesn't appear to be a
default in 19.14, so look somewhere in your customization.

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>>>>> "Jon" == Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu> writes:

Jon> I'm trying to get efs-1.14 to compile on my machine, but I keep
Jon> getting errors about undefined functions.  I'm using linux-2.0.20
Jon> and xemacs-19.14.  Can anyone help me, or point me to another
Jon> package that I can use?  I need an ftp program that will allow me
Jon> to specify ports.

It bytecompiled for me (Linux 2.0.21, though that doesn't matter).  I
haven't tried to run it, but it looks like there might be other
problems.  efs-1.14 is dated late 1994, and much has changed in emacs
since then.

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See my post above from Sunday at 19:57.

Mr P W Bentley wrote:
> 
> I've had the same problem with xemacs. If I change the font settings and
> then save options, then the .emacs and .xemacs-options files are not even
> written to.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Pabs

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Try:

	(setq vm-use-toolbar             nil)

In your ~/.vm file or ~/.emacs

--- Ricky.

>>>>> Shawn Brown writes:

 Shawn: Hi,
 Shawn: I'd like to disable the toolbar feature of vm, and am having difficulty
 Shawn: finding out how to do it.  The vm info file is of little help, and I'm
 Shawn: got really knowledgable of elisp code to figure this out.

 Shawn: How is this done?

 Shawn: Thanks,

 Shawn: Shawn

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Steven L. Baur writes:
 > >>>>> "Jon" == Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu> writes:
 > 
 > Jon> I'm trying to get efs-1.14 to compile on my machine
 > 
 > It bytecompiled for me (Linux 2.0.21, though that doesn't matter).  I
 > haven't tried to run it, but it looks like there might be other
 > problems.  efs-1.14 is dated late 1994, and much has changed in emacs
 > since then.

        i have efs 1.14, i compiled it under 19.13, it works nice
        under 19.14

        here it is one of the headers of the compiled files:

;ELC
;;; compiled by boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it on Fri Sep 29 18:23:29 1995
;;; from file /home/boffi/emacs/efs-1.14/dired-help.el
;;; emacs version 19.13 XEmacs Lucid.
;;; bytecomp version 2.25; 1-Sep-94.
;;; optimization is on.
;;; this file uses opcodes which do not exist in Emacs 18.

        if i remember correctly, i had to tweak a little the makefile
        to get everything ok, but if it was in my reach... :-)

hth
                                                                gb

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Subject: giftoppm, pnmdepth, ppmdither, ppmtoxpm...
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	My Xemacs is not able to load images in WWW mode.

	It says that the following commands are missing:

			giftoppm
			pnmdepth
			ppmdither
			ppmtoxpm

	Does anyone have an idea how I can solve the problem?

	Or, better, where I can get these commands?


	Soon.
	Thanks in advance.

         LM

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Shawn Brown writes:

 > I'd like to disable the toolbar feature of vm, and am having
 > difficulty finding out how to do it.

        Ricardo Marek replied to your question...

 > The vm info file is of little help, and I'm got really knowledgable
 > of elisp code to figure this out.

        the above is sort of a meta-question (or a meta-FAQ) (hi
        Steve!):

                 how do i do ... in VM, info file doesn't help!

        well, the meta-answer is, look into the file vm-vars.el, in
        the vm directory of the lisp library

        vm-vars.el contains, initializes and carefully describe, with
        examples of usage, the plethora of user options that _fully_
        control VM's behaviour

        enter vm-vars, forward-search for toolbar, find the variables
        that control the toolbar placement, appearance, existance,
        copy to your .emacs or .vm and modify accordingly to the
        detailed instructions

        the above also applies to all the various features of VM:
        search for some keywords, maybe the 1st you conjure isn't
        appropriate, find the appropriate vars, copy, experiment

        even if VM's info could be described as terse and outdated,
        the strategic decision of documenting all user options in one
        place makes VM one of the most easily configurable pieces of
        software that run under emacs (my 0.02lire)

                                                                gb

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From: Tomas Pihl <etxtopi@etxb.ericsson.se>
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Subject: 19.14: Completion failures
Date: 08 Oct 1996 12:03:43 +0200
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XEmacs 19.14, Solaris2.5

Sometimes when I try doing completion in the mini-buffer, the
completion fails and a TAB is inserted instead of opening a window
with the possible completion items. 

Lets say I want to open `hello.c'

   Find file: ~/work/recent/he[I hit TAB]

Result:

   Find file: ~/work/recent/he         |
                                       ^_ Cursor

Any ideas?

-- 
Tomas Pihl                                    etxtopi@etxb.ericsson.se
B/DBN                       

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From: Ernesto Martin Rebollo <ernes@patricio.tid.es>
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Subject: auto-folder
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I'm using XEmacs 19.14 and VM and I would like to use the auto-folder
function to automatically save messages to certain folders. For
example, any message from the distribution list p617@eurescom.de to a
folder called P617.

I have added the following lines to my .vm file

(setq vm-auto-folder-alist 
  '(
    ("To:" ("\"'SMTP:p617@eurescom.de'\" <p617@eurescom.de>" . "P617"))
    ("^To:" ("*.p617@eurescom.de.*" . "P617"))
   ))

but they do nothing. The AutoFile button in the vm toolbar can neither
be used.

Do I need anything more?


-- 
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From: chr@mediascience.no (Christian Nyb)
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Luca Massasso <massasso@pccnr.polito.it> was looking for a solution in
order to make Xemacs load images in W3-mode.  The utilities that
Xemacs was asking for are part of the netpbm package.  You may fetch
netpbm from this address: <URL:http://www.acme.com/software/pbmplus/>
and as once the netpbm utilities are installed in your PATH, Xemacs
will show you the web in all its glory.

Later,

chr
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From: James Gillespie <jim.gillespie@sbil.co.uk>
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Andrew DeFaria <defaria@cup.hp.com> writes:

    [ Lots of interesting stuff ]

> I am also curious as to why you would want to have Netscape in
> another workspace change pages on you? This requires that you need
> to switch over to that workspace to read any of the information.

    I think I'm in much the same position as the original requester.
If I come across an interesting URL in a newsgroup or email I click on
it to send it to Netscape, in another window.  I then continue reading
whatever I was reading and only look at the Web page later.  I think
it pretty much comes down to personal preference and fortunately it
appears that there are sufficient configuration options to please
every preference stated so far.

> My needs are usually that by far I would want to see the web page
> here, in this workspace where I'm working than to have to switch off
> to another workspace, read the material and switch back. Instead I
> use Add and read the material then Alt-Shift-F4 to remove the window
> from this workspace (and only if it is bothering me because the
> chances are that you might do that same operation again).
> 
    Alt-Shift-F4 does not appear to be mapped to anything by default
(Sun CDE 1.0.2).  One can use the window menu to tell a window to
unoccupy the current workspace; mapping a key to the same function
should be straightforward.

                Jim

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From: perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de (Perbandt.Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 )
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: VC & Clearcase Support
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Hi there,

after installing XEmacs 19.14 I found out that now VC seems to 
include support for the Version control software Clearcase (at least 
a little bit).

Unfortunately the online manual does not cover clearcase support.  Is
there any revised version of the VC manual out there with information
on my topic of interest?

I'd like to customize VC a little bit. First I'd like to add a
checkout comment when checking out a file. In standard mode VC does
allow for specification of a comment at checkin time only. One more
feature I'd like to modify is the behaviour of the compare function
("Diff Between Revisions..." in the VC menu). I'd like to have ediff
used instead of the simple diff that is predefined.

Any ideas on that would be welcome.

Thanks,

Adalbert
                    ------------------------
               Adalbert Perbandt  SIEMENS AG  
adalbert.perbandt@oen.siemens.de  OEN TI EA 2                     __o
               Dept. OEN TI EA 2  Rosenheimer Str. 116           `\<;
           Phone: + 89 4144 7651  81669 Munich/Germany     ____(*)/(*)____

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From: Simon Hardingham <simon@netxtra.co.uk>
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Subject: [tab] in viper
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I'm sorry but this may be a stupid question and I do want to use VI
within xemacs.  When I increase "vip-export-level" in .vip to 3 or above
the TAB key stops TAB'ing (a real problem when writing code).  How can I
get round this apart from droping back to level 1 or 2?

Thanks

Simon
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Hi!

I've installed cperl-mode and now I'd like to have
the cperl-menu as a pull-down-menu in the menu-bar
and on the third mousebutton locally in perl-mode
buffers.

I read the info-docs about mode-hooks and menu
customization, but I still can't get things to
work.

There's a definition of a 'cperl-menu' function 
(which requires 'easymenu') in cperl-mode.el.
Any suggestions how to bind this function to
the mouse-button and the menu-bar?

Thanx in advance,

	mac

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Rick> 2. In copying files with extension .DAT and .TEX, ange-ftp sets Type
> Rick>    binary. I want ascii. Where is the alist I should edit?
> 
> That is because they are being matched with the
> ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp variable.  It doesn't appear to be a
> default in 19.14, so look somewhere in your customization.
> 

Thanks, Steve, I found it and it was set to ".". Now I want to set it so
that lower case extensions are binary transfers and upper case (like
".DAT") are ascii. Can this be done easily? This is my first choice since
the PC I communicate with always saves filenames in upper case. 

My second choice would be to define a new
variable ange-ftp-ascii-file-name-regexp. Maybe this is useful in any case.

BTW I vote Steve the most helpful person on the usenet.

-- 
rick  -- "A little learning is a dangerous thing" -- A. Pope

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Subject: Re: VC & Clearcase Support
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>>>>> "Perbandt" == Perbandt Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24
>>>>> <perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de> writes:

> after installing XEmacs 19.14 I found out that now VC seems to include
> support for the Version control software Clearcase (at least a little bit).

> I'd like to customize VC a little bit. First I'd like to add a checkout
> comment when checking out a file. In standard mode VC does allow for
> specification of a comment at checkin time only. One more feature I'd like
> to modify is the behaviour of the compare function ("Diff Between
> Revisions..." in the VC menu). I'd like to have ediff used instead of the
> simple diff that is predefined.

The VC that comes with 19.14 is the first attempt (that I know of) to add
ClearCase support to the VC that is distributed with (X)Emacs.  There is,
however, another version of VC that is based on a slightly older version of VC
but incorporates more ClearCase features (like checkout comments).  Here is
the blurb on CCVC (I believe the information is still correct -- oh, the
person referred to as "I" below is Bill Sommerfeld at HP):

================
ClearCase VC (CC-VC) is an extension to the GNU Emacs "VC" package
which provides an emacs interface to the ClearCase configuration
management system.

This package permits you to check files in and out using the C-x C-q
(toggle-buffer-read-only) emacs command; when you check files in, it
prompts you for a comment string in a new buffer, you type C-c C-c,
and the file is checked in.  There are other commands which let you
see the version history of the file, or compare versions of files, as
well as some additional commands which permit you to some
clearcase-specific things like viewing a derivation history of a file,
or editing a ClearCase configuration specification.

The most recent version is v2.2.3.

This version requires:

	ClearCase version 2 or later.
	GNU Emacs 19.28 or later, or a recent version of XEmacs.

Note that XEmacs support appears to work, but has not been 100% tested.

Disclaimer:

This package is supported by me in my "spare time".  I am always
interested in receiving bug reports, especially if they contain fixes.
I cannot guarantee that bugs will be fixed in a timely manner, but I
use this package every day and depend on it to get my work done.

CC-VC is available via anonymous FTP from RTFM.MIT.EDU in the
directory /pub/cc-vc; fetch the file README from that directory to
find out how to proceed.

New versions of CC-VC will be announced when ready to the newsgroups
gnu.emacs.sources and comp.software.config-mgmt, as well as the
ClearCase International Users Group mailing list, <cciug@atria.com>.

Users are welcome to join the bug-reporting list by sending mail to
bug-cc-vc-request@bloom-beacon.mit.edu.

One closing note:

CC-VC is yet another software package masquerading as a roman numeral.
It joins a long line of software including VI, X, XV, and XLI.
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Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us) wrote:

:     AO> I'd prefer Jeemacs: Java enabled emacs

: Or it's full name: Jeexus

: I even have a tag line:

: "The Java Enabled Emacs or XEmacs Ultimate System.  It's the editor
:  that will save us all.  Coming (again) soon."

Wow.  When I read the subject line, my first thought was, "that's gotta be
the biggest Java program yet."  As if emacs written in native code wasn't
slow enough, now someone is writing it for the JVM?  What's a basic emacs
install up to now, 50 megs or so?

Kev.

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How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
and/or newsgroup postings?  I can't figure it out.

John Mann

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Is there a way to configure the VM mode to use pop service ???  My xemacs 
is started on a different host then the 'mail' host.

Thanks,

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Hi! There,

I have a habit to write code like this:

while (true) 
{
  do something;
  ... ;
}

However Xemacs automatically gives me this:

while (true)
  {
  do something;
  .......
  }

I really don't like it.
Now Xemacs can change it to:

while (true) {
  do something;
  .... ;
}

I don't like it neither.

I expect Emacs would give me a lot freedom because it provides the LISP 
files for the users to customize. Anyone can show me some pointers?

Oh, the other thing, why the C++ keywords such as "class", "private" and 
"int" are not highlighted? Is it my responsibility to do that? How?

Thanks.

- Yeh




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John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
> How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
> and/or newsgroup postings?

Check out message-default-headers.

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In article <yehDyxIDI.58J@netcom.com>, yeh@netcom.com (Zhenghao Yeh) wrote:

> How to set Xemacs mode for C++ ?
> I don't need to type in all the keywords, do I?
> Thanks 
C++ is actually just a special variety of c mode. You can invoke it with:
M-x c++-mode

Xemacs should start it for you if the file suffix is based on the generally
accepted .cc or was it .cpp or maybe .cp.

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I haven't used RCS in xemacs in about 6 months.  last time was with xemacs
19.13, and it worked fine.  Now, after I check out a file, xemacs' RCS menu
pulldown still shows a choice to check it out, instead of check it in.
Command line RCS works fine.  Do I need to do something different?

(sc-mode 'RCS)

is the .xemacs startup line I use.  Other RCS pulldown menu choices
seem to work OK.  

Please respond via email, if possible, as I don't get to read the xemacs
newsgroup as often as I'd like.  Thansk in advance to all who reply....

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--Multipart_Tue_Oct__8_10:59:40_1996-1
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When one starts up HTML mode it usefully sets up a "header" and
"footer" for the document. Are these configurable ? Our organisation
enforces a style for official web pages so automatically including it
would be incredibly useful to the html-naive users.



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From: Farhad Bahrami <Farhad.Bahrami@nmp.nokia.com>
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References: <52ocjv$sob@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> 	<rjd8z29a7t.fsf@kolmogorov.dina.kvl.dk> <qlhgoa8jd4.fsf@mcm.com> <m2enjbj3ov.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>
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Hello,

I *really* want this feature, but am an xemacs novice and need help
"installing" it.  Where could I look for additional help?

Cheers,
   Farhad

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I wrote:
>	Please put .hpp in the auto-mode-alist to invoke c++-mode.

	Woops, I forgot -- it would also be nice if .S files invoked asm-mode
-- some architectures use .S rather than .s.

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Indentation in cc-mode
Date: 08 Oct 1996 23:20:50 +0200
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Zhenghao Yeh (yeh@netcom.com) wrote:
> I expect Emacs would give me a lot freedom because it provides the LISP 
> files for the users to customize. Anyone can show me some pointers?

And you expect correctly!  You do not even have to change the existing
lisp files -- it is enough to add little pieces of customization to
your .emacs.  This is what I have for c-mode:

;; Initialize changes to cc-mode & friends
(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (setq c-basic-offset 3)
  (c-set-offset 'substatement-open 0)
  (c-set-offset 'statement 0)
  (c-set-offset 'case-label 3))
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

You can change the offsets from 3 to 2 (or 4, or whichever you like
best).

-- 
   When a feature is used only by users (not by programs or command
files), and it is done poorly in Unix, feel free to replace it
completely with something totally different and better.  (For example,
`vi' is replaced with Emacs.)   -- Richard M. Stallman

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Subject: Re: Linking /usr/info to xemacs
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Guy J. Bourdon <cp266@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> writes:
 >
 >Greetings,
 >
 >I'm new to xemacs and could someone help me link the
 >files in /usr/info directory to xemacs.  I've read the
 >text information at the beginning of the dir file and
 >the info files on info and I don't get it.  Thanks
 >
 >Guy Bourdon
 >Ottawa Canada
 >

	Hi, Guy.  I had trouble with this too.  What you need to do is make a
file in your /usr/info directory called 'localdir'.  It should look something
like this:

* as::          GNU assembler.
* bfd::         GNU BFD library.

	Then you need to put in some file (mine is in the
/usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/site-start.el file):

(setq Info-default-directory-list
      (append Info-default-directory-list '("/usr/info/")))

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Request for 19.15: .hpp files should invoke c++-mode
Date: 8 Oct 1996 20:22:55 GMT
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	Is this the best place to make requests for the next version of
XEmacs, or is there an email address that's more guaranteed to hit the right
people?  Anyway, I would like to request an addition to the next version of
XEmacs:

	Please put .hpp in the auto-mode-alist to invoke c++-mode.  All the
common C++ extension pairs are in there (.C & .H, .cc & .hh, .cxx & .hxx, and
.c++ & .h++), but for some reason there is only .cpp and no .hpp.  This
doesn't seem very orthagonal.  etags was recently changed to have .hpp files
use -l c++, and it would be nice if XEmacs would behave the same way without
forcing users to mess with appending to the auto-mode-alist.

	Speaking of which, I'm surprised there isn't a
set-mode-in-auto-mode-alist function which takes a regexp-mode pair and
searches through the auto-mode-alist, changing the existing cell for the given
regexp, if it exists, or appending the pair if it doesn't.  That way you don't
get that messiness with having several copies of your customized auto-mode
settings, perhaps set to different values.

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From: uri@ibm.net (Uri Blumenthal)
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After having problems with efs-1.14 and XEmacs-19.14
(or was it 19.13?) I switched ange-ftp that comes
with XEmacs-19.14 and it works great. You might
want to give ange-ftp another try. 
-- 
Regards,
Uri.
-=-=-==-=-=-             uri@watson.ibm.com
<Disclaimer>
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to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are 
so eager to regulate everyone else's.

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Subject: How do you change settings in files that are loaded into executable?
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	I've never built XEmacs from scratch -- I've always used the pre-built
binaries, because they've worked for me.  However, sometimes I want to change
something in one of Emacs' lisp library files and the change doesn't take
effect even after byte-compiling the .el file and restarting XEmacs.  I gather
from the fairly sparse documentation on the matter that this is because the
file I'm modifying is pre-loaded into my XEmacs executable, and is thus
ignored.

	Am I just out-of-luck in this situation unless I download the full tar
file and build my own XEmacs?  Also, is there any way to find out which files
have been pre-loaded in this way?

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From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>
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Subject: Re: efs-1.14
Date: 08 Oct 1996 19:18:31 -0400
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> It bytecompiled for me (Linux 2.0.21, though that doesn't matter).  I
> haven't tried to run it, but it looks like there might be other
> problems.  efs-1.14 is dated late 1994, and much has changed in emacs
> since then.

Worked fine for me after compiling with 19.14 and 15-b1; I use dired-7.7
more than efs itself though.

-Sudish

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From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
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Subject: Re: Is XEmacs threaded?
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>>>>> "Kent" == Kent A Vander Velden <graphix@iastate.edu> writes:

>> Dinesh dsmou1@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Daryl Moulder) writes:
>>>  Is XEmacs threaded, i.e. can it be getting nntp while unzipping a
>>> large file while running a shell command while still letting me
>>> edit?
>>> 

Kent>   Just out of curiosity... what are people's beliefs of the
Kent> areas in XEmacs that would benefit most from being
Kent> multithreaded?  Each frame, IO, the GUI all in there own thread?

I would really love to see seperate XEmacs threads for network access.
ie, being able to read news and go to another frame while it is
fetching articles. Being able to grab a web page in w3 and still edit
a document in another window, etc...

How hard would it really be to add in a small number of threads? 
one for each frame?
one for each buffer?

would this require a total re-write? or could it be added in the way
things are now? 

Kent> -- Kent Vander Velden graphix@iastate.edu

kevin
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In article <3258E4BF.446B@amolf.nl>, Ben Okhuysen <okhuysen@amolf.nl> wrote:

> I just read an article in an internet newsgroup describing how
> to make $50,000.00 in only one month from a $5.00 investment.
> 

Ben,
   Give us a break Ben.  Cut it out, OK?  Have some integrity.  Does your
Mother know you're doin' this?

[-Rick-]  a blockhead who rides a shovelhead

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From: Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Configure VM to use pop
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On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, bpm wrote:

> Mikel Doucet writes:
>  |
>  |Is there a way to configure the VM mode to use pop service ???  My xemacs 
>  |is started on a different host then the 'mail' host.
>  |
> 
> Yup,
> 
> (require 'vm-autoload)
> 
> ;; here's the magic for POP
> ;; the string should be in the format "popserver:port:authtype:user:pass"
> ;; here's mine -- just plug in your pop server, user name, and password
> ;(setq vm-spool-files (list "argon:110:pass:<USERNAME>:<PASSWD>"))
> 
> ;;; to prevent emacs from automatically creating a new window for VM,
> (setq vm-spool-files '(("/home/bpm/Mail/Inbox"
> 					   "your.domain.com:110:pass:<USERNAME>:*"
> 					   "/home/bpm/Mail/INBOX.CRASH")))

Close but still not working !!!  Here's my minimal VM configuration:

  (require 'vm-autoload)
  (setq vm-spool-files '(("/u4/home/mikel/.mail/VM_INBOX"
			  "thor:143:pass:mikel:*"
			  "/u4/home/mikel/.mail/VM_INBOX.CRASH")))
  (setq vm-folder-directory "~/.mail")

The 'thor' port 143 is connected to the "imap" deamon (which provides a 
superset of POP functionality).  The connection seems to be performed but 
the mail spool file is not read (ie. don't received new mails) ???  Do I 
forget some configuration steps ???

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.961008131939.24605G-100000@thor>
Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca> writes:
> Is there a way to configure the VM mode to use pop service ???  My xemacs 
> is started on a different host then the 'mail' host.
> 

Yes. See the XEmacs FAQ Q.4.0.1.

(setq vm-spool-files '("YOUR.MAIL.HOST:110:pass:YOUR_ID:YOUR_PASS"))
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Brian Edmonds writes:
 > John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
 > > How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
 > > and/or newsgroup postings?
 > 
 > Check out message-default-headers.
 > 
 > ---Captain-Tyler--KOC--Nuku-Nuku--Greenwood--DP--KOR---/================
 >  Brian Edmonds <jubal@boondock.gweep.net>             / *Gweep Systems* 
 >  http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds     ...treasury / System Consulting
 > ---JS-Bach---Robert-Plant---ZZ-Top---Annie-Lennox---/___inux spoken here
 > 		He who dies with the most toys is dead.

How can I generate X-Face file? Could you tell me which application
allows this generation or conversion from other format? Is there any
site where can I find description of X-Face format?

Yevgeny Druy

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.961008181303.9264A-100000@thor>,
	Mikel Doucet <mikel@ats.qc.ca> writes:
> Close but still not working !!!  Here's my minimal VM configuration:
> 
>   (require 'vm-autoload)
>   (setq vm-spool-files '(("/u4/home/mikel/.mail/VM_INBOX"
> 			  "thor:143:pass:mikel:*"
> 			  "/u4/home/mikel/.mail/VM_INBOX.CRASH")))
>   (setq vm-folder-directory "~/.mail")
> 
> The 'thor' port 143 is connected to the "imap" deamon (which provides a 
> superset of POP functionality).  The connection seems to be performed but 
> the mail spool file is not read (ie. don't received new mails) ???  Do I 
> forget some configuration steps ???

Have you set vm-auto-get-new-mail?  If this is nil, you will have to
explictly use vm-get-new-mail (bound to 'g' by default) to retrieve mail
from the POP server.  I use:

  (setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 120)

which automatically retrieves mail every 2 minutes.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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Hi !

I wrote a small file defining a menu for Ilisp commands under
XEmacs using Per Abrahamsens easymenu-package. I just posted
the code to gnu.emacs.sources. If anyone has a better solution
send it to me :-)
BTW: the menu should work with any emacs(19 only ????) using easymenu
and ilisp but I just checked under XEmacs 19.14/Ilisp 5.7 and
XEmacs 19.11/Ilisp 5.5.

Happy emacsen,

 Holger

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(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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To: giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it>
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	<9610080858.AA05869@hp735.stru.polimi.it>

giacomo boffi writes:
 > Steven L. Baur writes:
 >  > >>>>> "Jon" == Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu> writes:
 >  > 
 >  > Jon> I'm trying to get efs-1.14 to compile on my machine
 >  > 
 >  > It bytecompiled for me (Linux 2.0.21, though that doesn't
 >  > matter).  I haven't tried to run it, but it looks like there
 >  > might be other problems.  efs-1.14 is dated late 1994, and much
 >  > has changed in emacs since then.
 > 
 >         i have efs 1.14, i compiled it under 19.13, it works nice
 >         under 19.14

what i forgot to say, a (small) patch is necessary.  from ange (Andy
Norman) web site, here it is:

diff -c efs.el~ efs.el
*** efs.el~     Wed Sep 20 23:55:16 1995
--- efs.el      Wed Sep 20 23:55:17 1995
***************
*** 8357,8365 ****
                 (efs-save-match-data
                   (or (string-match "^550 " line)
                       (efs-set-host-property host 'mdtm-failed t)))
!                (efs-set-emacs-bvf-mdtm buffer 0)))) ; store dummy values
           0) ; Always do this NOWAIT = 0
!       (efs-set-emacs-bvf-mdtm buffer 0))
        nil) ; return NIL
      ))
  
--- 8357,8365 ----
                 (efs-save-match-data
                   (or (string-match "^550 " line)
                       (efs-set-host-property host 'mdtm-failed t)))
!                (efs-set-emacs-bvf-mdtm buffer '(0 0))))) ; store dummy values
           0) ; Always do this NOWAIT = 0
!       (efs-set-emacs-bvf-mdtm buffer '(0 0)))
        nil) ; return NIL
      ))
  
      


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[Kevin Swan]

|   What's a basic emacs install up to now, 50 megs or so?

with complete sources and object files, installed in place, I need 60M.
this is the amount of disk space needed to build Emacs.  the installed
version requires 20M lisp files, 3M binary files, and 3M info files.
you're off by a factor of two, which is pretty good for a prejudiced and
ignorant comment like yours.

#\Erik
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I could tell you, but then I would have to reboot you.

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Hi Alan,

try the following line in your site-start.el or .emacs file:

(display-column-mode t)

This displays line (one-based) on column (zero-based) in the mode-line.

Good Luck,

Adrian

M. Alan Ross wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>         I hope this is the correct place to post an Xemacs question. I am a new
> user and do not know much about customizing the .emacs file.  There is a
> .el routine called column.el that displays the line and column in the
> mode line.  It is intended for use with emacs but I would, of course,
> like to Xemacs.  Is there a similar elisp routine that works with
> Xemacs.  I guess I would also like to have some general knowledge as to
> why column.el does not work with Xemacs. I include the routine below
> because it is quite short.  Thank you for your time.
> 
> Alan Ross
> maross@llnl.gov
> 
> ;;; column.el --- display line and column in the mode line
> ;; Copyright (C) 1993 Per Abrahamsen.
> ;; Copyright abandoned.  This file is donated to the public domain.
> ;; Author: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@iesd.auc.dk>
> ;; Version: 0.1
> 
(rest of column.el deleted)
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Threaded emacsen have been widely requested, but there are technical
> issues surrounding the read-eval-print/redisplay processing that
> ensure it won't get solved in the near future.

BTW, the change would require a serious change in philosophy of work
too, so that the older systems without threads could not run XEmacs at
all.

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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
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Subject: Re: emacs for mac?
Date: 08 Oct 1996 15:11:17 -0700
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>>>> Thus spake 'Steve Heckman (sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com)':

 SH> Christoph Hollmann <hollmann@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> writes:
 >> 
 >> I am looking for an emacs or xemacs  which is running on a mac. Does
 >> such a port  exist at all?
 >> -- 

 SH> The only one I have seen is Marc Parmet's at :

 SH> ftp://ftp.cs.cornell.edu/pub/parmet

 SH> I've used it a bit and it's not bad. I wish it were maintained on a 
 SH> regular basis. Any chance of getting these changes folded in with the 
 SH> XEmacs/GNUEmacs distributions?

A while ago I read a post by someone who was running XEmacs under Tenon's
MachTen for the Macintosh (~ $500 US). From what I remember, the port was a
real pain, but in the end it worked. Check out http://www.tenon.com.

Brad

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Hello

I am using xemacs 19.13, on linux 1.3.93 and gcc 2.7.2

I have been using the text-based oobr and consider it essential
equipment.  I would like to be able to use the graphic capabilities of
xoobr as well.  When I try to compile xoobr (in the
xemacs-19.13/lisp/tree-x directory) I get the following results:

After making appropriate changes to the Makefile, I type 'make':

# make
gcc -g -O -I/usr/X11R6/include    -c usleep.c -o usleep.o
usleep.c:38: conflicting types for `usleep'
/usr/include/unistd.h:649: previous declaration of `usleep'
usleep.c: In function `usleep':
usleep.c:59: warning: passing arg 2 of `select' from incompatible
pointer type
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pointer type
usleep.c:59: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible
pointer type
make: *** [usleep.o] Error 1
#       

The pointers in question are simply pointers to integers.  I tried
compiling  on another system (also linux 1.3.?? and gcc 2.7.2), with the
same results.

Is this a problem with the code or with my setup?  I am grateful to
anyone who replies.                               
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Hi,

I have never had any problems with XEmacs (19.14) on any Linux-box
until today.  When I compiled it today on a PPro with RedHat
Rembrandt, expand-file-name didn't work. (expand-file-name "~/") gives
the correct value, but (expand-file-name "~<any user>/") gives "/".

I've read the PROBLEMS-file which says that Ultrix may have problems
with this, but I'm not running Ultrix :-), and neither do I have
anything in site-init.el.

XEmacs was configured with './configure' and compiled with 'make'. No
problem with that.

Any help appreciated.

-Toreo
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From: wittich@beier.hep.upenn.edu (Peter)
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

 Dan> I wrote:
 >> Please put .hpp in the auto-mode-alist to invoke c++-mode.

 Dan> 	Woops, I forgot -- it would also be nice if .S files invoked asm-mode
 Dan> -- some architectures use .S rather than .s.

Hi Dan, 

you can trivially make both of these changes with some additions to your
.emacs or site-wide .emacs files , something like


     (setq auto-mode-alist
             (append '(("\\.hpp$" . c++-mode)
                       ("\\.S$" . asm-mode))

You probably know this, and your suggestions sound sensible still, but I
thought it was worth mentioning that one does not have to wait for 19.15 to
get this sort of behavoir.

Just my $0.02,

Peter



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Oops, of course, that should have been

     (setq auto-mode-alist
             (append '(("\\.hpp$" . c++-mode)
                       ("\\.S$" . asm-mode))
                          auto-mode-alist))

I knew there were some dangling parentheses there....

This is just the self-replying thread, I guess ;)

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
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Subject: Bug in gdbsrc?
Date: 09 Oct 1996 17:10:17 +0200
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Is gdbsrc broken? The first time I start it (i.e. 'M-x gdbsrc'), I always
get the error message 'Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer'. 

/Anders

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Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes:

> [Kevin Swan]
> 
> |   What's a basic emacs install up to now, 50 megs or so?
> 
> with complete sources and object files, installed in place, I need 60M.
> this is the amount of disk space needed to build Emacs.  the installed
> version requires 20M lisp files, 3M binary files, and 3M info files.
> you're off by a factor of two, which is pretty good for a prejudiced and
> ignorant comment like yours.

Depending on how you interpret "a basic emacs install" (could be the
process of installing, or the remnants after installation), he could
be off by just 20%, which is pretty bad for the arrogant and
superior-air comment of yours.

I mean, I have installed Emacs and XEmacs in several pretty new
versions myself and would have guessed this estimate not to be bad
(which it really isn't), so I guess I'd have to count as prejudiced
and ignorant as well.

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gen@yev6000.stil.scitex.com (Yevgeny Druy) writes:

> 
> Brian Edmonds writes:
>  > John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
>  > > How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
>  > > and/or newsgroup postings?
>  > 
>  > Check out message-default-headers.
>  > 
>  > ---Captain-Tyler--KOC--Nuku-Nuku--Greenwood--DP--KOR---/================
>  >  Brian Edmonds <jubal@boondock.gweep.net>             / *Gweep Systems* 
>  >  http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds     ...treasury / System Consulting
>  > ---JS-Bach---Robert-Plant---ZZ-Top---Annie-Lennox---/___inux spoken here
>  > 		He who dies with the most toys is dead.
> 
> How can I generate X-Face file? Could you tell me which application
> allows this generation or conversion from other format? Is there any
> site where can I find description of X-Face format?
> 
> Yevgeny Druy

Here is how I made my X-Face, but I'm sure it's far from the best way:

I downloaded the compface package from some ftp site (just do an
archie search or a web search for this) and built it on my machine.

I then took a 48x48 bitmap (.xbm) file generated by xv and ran the
following conversion routines from pbmplus:

xbmtopbm face.xbm > face.pbm
pbmtoicon face.pbm > face.icon

I then had to hand edit the face.icon file to have the correct number
of columns (3 instead of 8) and stored this in the file face.ikon.
I then used the command:

compface face.ikon > ~/Mail/.face

to produce the X-Face code.  I then inserted the following lisp code
(courtesy of Sylvain Machard) into my .vm file:

(defun mail-insert-x-face ()
  (save-excursion 
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (search-forward mail-header-separator)
    (beginning-of-line nil)
    (if (file-exists-p "~/Mail/.face")
        (xface-insertion)
     )))
 
(defun xface-insertion ()
         (insert "X-Face:")
         (insert-file "~/Mail/.face")
        )
 
(add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)
 
This brings the X-Face into all outgoing mail messages.

Like I said, I'm sure there are much better ways to make an X-Face
than the method I used, but it did work and I only had to do it once,
so who cares!?!

John Mann

Note: the lisp code above doesn't seem to put the X-Face into
newsgroup postings - only e-mail messages.

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When I try to print my beautifully highlighted code in color from
xemacs using pretty-print, it actually prints the background color
from my screen behind all of the color characters.  This is fine for
people with white backgrounds (I tried it), but any other background
makes the printout look terrible.  Is there a fix for this, or am I
stuck using a white background?  I'm not sure my eyes can survive
that.

John Mann

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Hi,

I am unable to unsubscribe and resubscribe my new address on the xemacs list.

was uknt@*.att.com (came in many different flavours)
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Could you handle this for me?

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From: binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham)
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Date: 09 Oct 1996 12:59:49 -0400
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Apple has just released the Developer Release 2 (DR2) of their MkLinux
for the powermac.  I've been thinking of trying to see whether or not
XEmacs would build therein, but I've not had the time or the
diskspace.

Any other takers?

Curtis
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gjb@cs.washington.edu (Greg Badros) writes:

> 
> Hi,
>   I was looking through the mail archive and came across a problem with
> XEmacs saying (and thinking) that its asyncronous compilation process
> hasn't finished.  I couldn't find any resolution of the problem later.  I
> observe it as well on my Linux and Solaris 2.4 versions of XEmacs 19.14. 
> It appears to be due to XEmacs not using the system "waitpid(..)" fn
> properly, but I can't tell if there's a fix, or if this is just a bug that
> I can't do much about for now.


This fixed the problem for me, on AIX:

(setq process-connection-type nil)

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Is there any way to configure GNUS to read news from a netscape secure news
server as a foriegn server?  Through a SOCKS proxy server?  Any information
would be greatly appreciated ... the thought of having to use the extremely
losing netscape news reader and composer daily is making me ill.

Thanks,
Greg
greg@alphatech.com


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I finally got XEmacs to start up on my Solaris 2.4 box without any
startup errors, but now when I try to open a file it tells me:

Cannot open load file: xpm-button

Does anybody know what this file is, where it should be, and where I can
get one if I don't already have it?

Thanks,
Matt Kirkwood
kirkwood@LSIL.com

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> I've never built XEmacs from scratch -- I've always used the
Dan> pre-built binaries, because they've worked for me.  However,
Dan> sometimes I want to change something in one of Emacs' lisp
Dan> library files and the change doesn't take effect even after
Dan> byte-compiling the .el file and restarting XEmacs.  I gather from
Dan> the fairly sparse documentation on the matter that this is
Dan> because the file I'm modifying is pre-loaded into my XEmacs
Dan> executable, and is thus ignored.

That is the most likely explanation.  To verify, do an explicit
(load "/full/path/to/your/changed.elc")
at XEmacs startup and see if your changes appear.

It's also possible there is a path conflict and XEmacs is loading
something different than what you think it is.  Paths to .elcs can be
queried with the M-x locate-library command.

Dan> Am I just out-of-luck in this situation unless I download the
Dan> full tar file and build my own XEmacs?

Not necessarily, depending on what kind of change you made you can
force load the file (as described above) in your site-lisp.el file.

Unless you're making some kind of major change, you should always
prefer to either copy the file into the site-lisp directory and make
changes there, or use the excellent advice package for performing
surgery on individual functions.

Would you please post a specific example of one kind of change you
made?

Dan> Also, is there any way to find out which files have been
Dan> pre-loaded in this way?

Yes.  Take a look at the file lisp/prim/loadup.el.  That file handles
preloading Emacs lisp files prior to dumping.
-- 
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Peter Spoerri <pspoerri@access.ch> writes:
> > cd /home/pspoerri/src/test/
> > make -k 
> > make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
> >
> > Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 at Sun Oct  6 22:58:17

Do you use Linux and did you upgrade your libc recently, but did not
read the release notes? This is a well-known problem. There is a bug
in GNU make that shows up after upgrading the libraries. At the end of
the release notes, there is the suggested patch. Also, I believe,
there are pre-compiled versions of GNU make that already include this
patch. For the time being, you can always resort to call 
"make -k -f Makefile". Explicitly naming the filename of the makefile
avoids the bug.

If these assumptions do not apply to you, then it might be helpful if
you provided more information about your system configuration. At
first sight, this does not really look like an XEmacs related problem.


Markus

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>>>>> "Luca" == Luca Massasso <massasso@pccnr.polito.it> writes:

Luca> 	My Xemacs is not able to load images in WWW mode.

Luca> 	It says that the following commands are missing:

Luca> 			giftoppm
[1]

Luca> 			pnmdepth
Luca> 			ppmdither
Luca> 			ppmtoxpm

These three programs are in netpbm which you can find at the usual
place you get X11 source code.

[1]
giftoppm, fitstopgm, and pgmtofits are in pbmplus (the earlier version
of netpbm) but not in netpbm.  You can obtain the source code for
those programs from the pbmplus distribution.

If you get the required graphics libraries (see the XEmacs FAQ for
locations), XEmacs 19.14 will show images without the use of helper
programs.
-- 
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> ;;; hide-ifdef-mode.el --- hides selected code within ifdef.
> and is included standard in emacs (lisp/modes/hideif.el in XEmacs).

When I'm using this package the wrong stuff is hidden - know how to
change that?

#define DOG

#ifdef DOG
/* dog */                   <---- this is hidden
#else
/* other stuff */           <---- instead of this
#endif

Please email - thx.

fb

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In article <m2d8yuixii.fsf@scrye.com> Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com> writes:

> I would really love to see seperate XEmacs threads for network access.
> Being able to grab a web page in w3 and still edit
W3 already can do the fetching asynchronously (url-be-asynchronous), but
not the parsing of the page when it arrives. Since fetching is often
quicker and since it comes between you've asked for the page and you're
being able to see the page, it's not quite that useful.

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>> [Kevin Swan]
Kevin> What's a basic emacs install up to now, 50 megs or so?

50 megabytes on emacs is disk space well spent.  A full installation
after source removal is around 20MB, as Erik (and others, see the
XEmacs FAQ have) pointed out.  Installation of XEmacs 19.14 requires
temporarily about 90 megabytes (that's why we also provide binary
distributions).

Considering binary sizes for a moment ...

I find it most interesting the latest vi[1] is as big now as Emacs 18.5x
was (about 500k on a 3b1 for me).

All editors compiled with gcc 2.7.2 on a Linux 2.0/ELF system, with
-O4, no debug, and vi stripped (Emacs and XEmacs not stripped).

$ ll /usr/bin/vi /usr/local/bin/emacs-19.34 /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14
-r-xr-xr-x   3 root     root       709612 Oct  9 18:32 /usr/bin/vi*
-rwxr-xr-t   2 root     root      2099198 Aug 25 18:23 /usr/local/bin/emacs-19.34*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root      3086835 Jun 22 15:04 /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14*


[1]
nvi-1.76 from Berkeley.
-- 
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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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Subject: Re: Request for 19.15: .hpp files should invoke c++-mode
Date: 09 Oct 1996 21:16:53 -0700
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> I wrote:
>> Please put .hpp in the auto-mode-alist to invoke c++-mode.

Dan> 	Woops, I forgot -- it would also be nice if .S files invoked asm-mode
Dan> -- some architectures use .S rather than .s.

Your suggestions will be in 19.15.

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From: beaufils@lifl.fr (Bruno "Geos" Beaufils)
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Subject: How to add personal info pages in (X)Emacs ?
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Hello everybody,

I just would like to know if it is possible, and thus how, to add some
personal info pages to the main info tree in such a way they could be read in
XEmacs, as well as in GNUemacs, knowing I can't modify the dir file of
(X)GNUemacs directory.

In XEmacs I just have to modify the INFOPATH variable by adding my personal
info directory (for instance ~/doc/info), and to make a file called localdir
in this directory which describe all my info pages this way :

* topic::	Description of topic.

How may I do for this page to be read by info in GNUemacs ?

Please reply also by mail ...

Thanks in advance.

-Bruno


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From: schwab@lamothe.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Andreas Schwab)
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Bruno "Geos" Beaufils <beaufils@lifl.fr> writes:

|> Hello everybody,
|> I just would like to know if it is possible, and thus how, to add some
|> personal info pages to the main info tree in such a way they could be read in
|> XEmacs, as well as in GNUemacs, knowing I can't modify the dir file of
|> (X)GNUemacs directory.

|> In XEmacs I just have to modify the INFOPATH variable by adding my personal
|> info directory (for instance ~/doc/info), and to make a file called localdir
|> in this directory which describe all my info pages this way :

|> * topic::	Description of topic.

|> How may I do for this page to be read by info in GNUemacs ?

Just name the file `dir', not `localdir'.
-- 
Andreas Schwab                                      "And now for something
schwab@issan.informatik.uni-dortmund.de              completely different"

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From: Keith Refson <keith@earth.ox.ac.uk>
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Date: 10 Oct 1996 12:29:26 +0100
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Since the VM documentation is 5 years out of date and I can't find the
answer in the source, I wonder if anyone here can help.

I am downloading my mail using POP, but I'd like to leave it on the
server.  Is there any way of instructing the server not to delete mail
after it has downloaded it?

Keith Refson


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thank you
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The following is a problem my group is having with xemacs 19.14  that we
have
installed on our Sun Sparc20 machines under sunos 4.1.3.  

When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
error message:
 "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".

The buffer doesn't load, but it does appear in the buffer list.
When I try to switch to that buffer, it appears, though un-colorized.
So i assume the problem lies in the syntax-coloring code, though
i know that this code sometimes works just fine, and if I explicitly
ask for syntax coloring, it does it OK.

Any ideas what this error msg means, or how I can debug the problem?
P.S.  If I just bring up xemacs without loading any files, I don't
get this msg, so it is not a problem with my .emacs file.
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I just download the Xemacs version 19.14 with the Sparcworks flavor. After
starting it up, I found all kinds of strange problems.
	sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks


System: Sun Ultra Os 2.5.1

The following items were missing from the menu tool bar:
sparcworks & VC ...

When Xemacs started up, I received an error:
	Wrong type argument; stringp, nil

Unable to send Mail via the VM package nor was I able to
post news. Both were giving a similar error as above.

Hints??

Now the interesting thing was I also download the 19.14 version
for Sparc systems without the Sparcworks.
	sparc-sun-solaris2.4

Everything works as I would expect.

I'm stumped.

jim



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>>>>> "Curtis" == Curtis N Bingham <binge@lucent.com> writes:

    Curtis> Apple has just released the Developer Release 2 (DR2) of
    Curtis> their MkLinux for the powermac.  I've been thinking of
    Curtis> trying to see whether or not XEmacs would build therein,
    Curtis> but I've not had the time or the diskspace.

    Curtis> Any other takers?

I'll look into it, as soon as DR3 is out (have to wait for PCI
support). I remember seeing somebody out there posting a problem with
dumping, but until I get a working MkLinux on my machine I can hardly
help...

Richard.

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Henry Rabinowitz writes:
                <snipped>
 > 
 > When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
 > error message:
 >  "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".
 > 
 > The buffer doesn't load, but it does appear in the buffer list.
 > When I try to switch to that buffer, it appears, though un-colorized.
 > So i assume the problem lies in the syntax-coloring code, though
 > i know that this code sometimes works just fine, and if I explicitly
 > ask for syntax coloring, it does it OK.
                <snipped>

Can't offer a solution, however I too see this very same error message
but *only* when loading files off NFS mounted disks (!).  I have
font-locking on by default, so can't comment as to whether this is
causing the problem.  Similarly, I don't get to see the newly loaded
buffer, but I do get it in the buffer list, and can recover it by
'unburying' it.  Everything works fine if the file system type is UFS
(ie. local) or if I pull it in via efs.

I'm on a DEC Alpha 3500 running OSF/1 v3.0 using XEmacs 19.14.

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        "Re: X-Face insertion" (Oct  9,  9:31am)
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See the XEmacs FAQ, part 5/6 I think.  I figured it out from there.  But if you
want to try and include a picture of yourself, it's not worth the trouble.
 This is because even if your original picture is converted to greyscale, the
XFace only allows black and white, with nothing in between.  So to make your
picture look recognizable after converting it to a bitmap, you'll have to
toggle it bit by bit.  If you have a simple line drawing, it can come out OK,
like my castle.  I wonder how Steve Baur got his XFace picture to come out so
well . . . :-)


On Oct 9,  9:31am, Yevgeny Druy wrote:
> Subject: Re: X-Face insertion
> Brian Edmonds writes:
>  > John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
>  > > How do I get xemacs to automatically insert my X-Face into e-mails
>  > > and/or newsgroup postings?
>  >
>  > Check out message-default-headers.
>  >
>  > ---Captain-Tyler--KOC--Nuku-Nuku--Greenwood--DP--KOR---/================
>  >  Brian Edmonds <jubal@boondock.gweep.net>             / *Gweep Systems*
>  >  http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds     ...treasury / System Consulting
>  > ---JS-Bach---Robert-Plant---ZZ-Top---Annie-Lennox---/___inux spoken here
>  > 		He who dies with the most toys is dead.
>
> How can I generate X-Face file? Could you tell me which application
> allows this generation or conversion from other format? Is there any
> site where can I find description of X-Face format?
>
> Yevgeny Druy
>-- End of excerpt from Yevgeny Druy



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>>>>> "John" == John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:

    John> (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)
 
    John> Like I said, I'm sure there are much better ways to
    John> make an X-Face than the method I used, but it did work
    John> and I only had to do it once, so who cares!?!

I did something similar (without nice things like file-exists-p etc)

    John> Note: the lisp code above doesn't seem to put the
    John> X-Face into newsgroup postings - only e-mail messages.

Try using message-setup-hook instead .. it works for me. 

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From: Thomas Schreiber <tms@dcs.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: [BUG & PATCH] XEmacs 19.14 comint - comint-menu undefined
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In the version of comint distributed with XEmacs 19.14, the package
comint refers to comint-menu which isn't defined. I've appended the
obvious patch.

--Thomas

*** /tmp/RCSAa0025C	Thu Oct 10 17:13:26 1996
--- comint.el	Thu Oct 10 17:02:48 1996
***************
*** 581,587 ****
      (popup-menu (if history
  		    (append comint-popup-menu
  			    (list "---" (cons "Command History" history)))
! 		  comint-menu))))
  
  (defvar comint-history-menu-max 40
    "*Maximum number of entries to display on the Comint command-history menu.")
--- 581,587 ----
      (popup-menu (if history
  		    (append comint-popup-menu
  			    (list "---" (cons "Command History" history)))
! 		  comint-popup-menu))))
  
  (defvar comint-history-menu-max 40
    "*Maximum number of entries to display on the Comint command-history menu.")

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	RCS actually works on Solaris 2.4+ platforms on xemacs-19.14.
But only if accessed from the VC menu under tools; not from the RCS
toolbar choice that appears if (sc-mode 'RCS) is in .xemacs.

	Here's the question:  Is there a way to copy the VC pulldown
choice menu from the tools pulldown to the main pulldown menu, placing it
next to the tools choice?  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

-- 
Ric Steinberger                 Email: ric@sri.com
SRI Consulting                  Phone: 415.859.4300
333 Ravenswood Ave  AH301       Pager: 415.907.4598
Menlo Park CA 94025             FAX:   415.859.5092

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In VM, is it possible, to have the mail files (both the inbox and
folders) stored in the UNIX mailbox format so that other mail readers
like pine would still work. Some of the mail readers get confused with
the header information that VM puts in these files.

thanks,
-jayram.


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From: Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com>
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Subject: Re: How to deal with error msg about "prs"
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:12:51 -0400
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Henry Rabinowitz wrote:
> 
> The following is a problem my group is having with xemacs 19.14  that we
> have
> installed on our Sun Sparc20 machines under sunos 4.1.3.
> 
> When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
> error message:
>  "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".
> 
> The buffer doesn't load, but it does appear in the buffer list.
> When I try to switch to that buffer, it appears, though un-colorized.
> So i assume the problem lies in the syntax-coloring code, though
> i know that this code sometimes works just fine, and if I explicitly
> ask for syntax coloring, it does it OK.
> 
> Any ideas what this error msg means, or how I can debug the problem?
> P.S.  If I just bring up xemacs without loading any files, I don't
> get this msg, so it is not a problem with my .emacs file.
> --
> 

following up on a response by Mike Atkinson
<mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>, I notice 
that this problem only occurs with files that are either NFS mounted
themselves, or that are based on SCCS files that are NFS mounted. 
Locally mounted files do not incur this problem 

==========================================================================
> |
> |
> | Henry Rabinowitz,                    Phone: 914-644-2855
> |
> | NYNEX Science & Technology           FAX:   914-644-2404
> |
> | 500 Westchester Ave, 1A-18           email: henryr@nynexst.com
> |
> | White Plains, NY 10604               emoticon: :0)
> |
> |
> |
> ==========================================================================

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| NYNEX Science & Technology           FAX:   914-644-2404              
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| 500 Westchester Ave, 1A-18           email: henryr@nynexst.com        
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From: Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu>
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>>>>> "I" == Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> wrote:

>>>>> "John" == John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
    John> (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)
 
    John> Like I said, I'm sure there are much better ways to
    John> make an X-Face than the method I used, but it did work
    John> and I only had to do it once, so who cares!?!

    I> I did something similar (without nice things like
    I> file-exists-p etc)

    John> Note: the lisp code above doesn't seem to put the
    John> X-Face into newsgroup postings - only e-mail messages.

    I> Try using message-setup-hook instead .. it works for me.

Sorry, I meant message-send-hook.



-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> writes:
> Try using message-setup-hook instead .. it works for me. 

Thanks for the suggestion - that works great!

John Mann
http://www2.pair.com/wacky/

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From: maj@shell.wco.com (Michael Janson)
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I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of the
answer to this question  :I copied the binaries to my system last night into
/usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib, and it still complains about not
being able to find any of the directories it needs.

Oh, I'm running SunOS 4.1.3 on a SPARC.  There is none of this info
contained in the README which was distributed with it.  Nor does
the FAQ.  There is no INSTALL file distributed with this binary
distribution.



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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Problem with truncated menu bar and not able to get at right hand side menus.
Date: 10 Oct 1996 16:07:42 -0400
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Hello all,

I would like to make a request for 19.15.

Currently some modes and personally customizations can cause the menu
bar to extend beyond the right hand side of the window.  To get at
these choices we have to resize the window, if we can, in order to see
them.  What I would like to see is an option that I can set say in my
.emacs and/or in Options menu that would cause the menu bar to wrap.
Thus we would have to menu bars on the screen one on top of the
other. To illustrate:


 -----------------------------------------------------------
| File	Edit	Apps	Options	Tools SPARCworks Hyperbole  |
|-----------------------------------------------------------|
| Message                                              Help |
|-----------------------------------------------------------|
|   ICON BAR                                                |
 -----------------------------------------------------------

Again though I would like to make this optional and not default.
If you run gnus you know what I mean.

Would any one else like to see this.

Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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From: Nicolai P Guba <nicolai@bigbro.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs.xemacs
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   "AS" == Andreas Schwab <schwab@lamothe.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

    AS >  everybody, |> I just would like to know if it is possible,
    AS >  and thus how, to add some |> personal info pages to the main
    AS >  info tree in such a way they could be read in |> XEmacs, as

    AS >  Just name the file `dir', not `localdir'.  -- Andreas Schwab

I would rather opt for this approach. The following in your .emacs
should do the trick: 

(setq Info-default-directory-list
      (append 
	Info-default-directory-list '("/usr/local/teTeX/info/")))

Which will append /usr/local/teTeX/info onto your Info search path.
If you have a file called "dir" inside this directory, it will be
appended to the display of the main dir file...Handy!

-- 
	nicolai

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From: Farhad Bahrami <Farhad.Bahrami@nmp.nokia.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: hideif.el help needed
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:46:51 -0700
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Hello,

I'm using the standard hideif.el package, but it seems to work the
reverse for me!  In the following example:

#define FLAG

#ifdef  FLAG
/* stuff for FLAG */
#else
/* stuff not for FLAG */
#endif

you'd expect it hide /* stuff not for FLAG */ since FLAG is defined -
but it's just the reverse.

What am I doing wrong?

Cheers,
   Farhad

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ric@isl.sri.com (Ric Steinberger) writes:

This works for me though I haven't been able to figure out how to
change the name of the menu back to RCS.

(delete-menu-item '("Tools" "VC"))
(delete-menu-item '("Tools" "---"))
(add-menu-button '() vc-menu "")

--jp

+> 
+> 	RCS actually works on Solaris 2.4+ platforms on xemacs-19.14.
+> But only if accessed from the VC menu under tools; not from the RCS
+> toolbar choice that appears if (sc-mode 'RCS) is in .xemacs.
+> 
+> 	Here's the question:  Is there a way to copy the VC pulldown
+> choice menu from the tools pulldown to the main pulldown menu, placing it
+> next to the tools choice?  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
+> 
+> -- 
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From: jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd)
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Subject: Meta q deletes frame!
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When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.

This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.

However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

(delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.


And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(

I've tried running C-h b and it seems to think M-q is bound to
fill-region-or-paragraph.  It really is in some modes but not others.
I'm certain that I'm not redefining it anywhere.  What's happening?

--jp

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> writes:
 >
 >Unless you're making some kind of major change, you should always
 >prefer to either copy the file into the site-lisp directory and make
 >changes there, 

	Ah, that will bypass the pre-loaded version?  Or do I still need to do
an explicit (load "...")?

 >or use the excellent advice package for performing surgery on individual
 >functions.

	Well, a complaint around here about XEmacs is that it takes way too
long to load (compared to, say, vi), and so recently I've been tuning it to
come up a lot quicker.  Unforunately, the advice package slows startup by
quite a bit (lots and lots of garbage collection, etc.).

 >Would you please post a specific example of one kind of change you
 >made?

	The most recent thing I was trying to do was change the definition of
auto-mode-alist in files.el to incorporate the changes I requested for 19.15.
I didn't want everyone using XEmacs to have to append to the auto-mode-alist
in their .emacs files.  The solution in this case was to append to the the
list in the site-start.el file.

 >Dan> Also, is there any way to find out which files have been
 >Dan> pre-loaded in this way?
 >
 >Yes.  Take a look at the file lisp/prim/loadup.el.  That file handles
 >preloading Emacs lisp files prior to dumping.

	Thanks for the pointer.

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Curtis N Bingham <binge@lucent.com> writes:

Curtis> Apple has just released the Developer Release 2 (DR2) of
Curtis> their MkLinux for the powermac.  I've been thinking of
Curtis> trying to see whether or not XEmacs would build therein,
Curtis> but I've not had the time or the diskspace.

Richard Cognot  <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> wrote:

Richard> I'll look into it, as soon as DR3 is out (have to wait for PCI
Richard> support). I remember seeing somebody out there posting a problem with
Richard> dumping, but until I get a working MkLinux on my machine I can hardly
Richard> help...

My roommate has managed to compile XEmacs for MkLinux DR2 after some
effort (caveats below).  The process involved applying Redhat's patches
for Emacs (this involves unpacking the ppc-compatible source code RPMs
which we got it from ftp://ftp.redhat.com) and then debugging a problem
with unexec using MAP_PRIVATE instead of MAP_SHARED:  the wrong #ifdef code
was being used (we haven't figured out why yet:  the right symbol is
defined in the config file, but was not defined when that point in the
code was reached).

Finally, it built, but the program is unstable:  it takes three
invocations before it will come up and stay up and then crashes at
seemingly random times.  We get no core files (I believe the DR2 does
not support them yet) and running from within the debugger has been no
help either.

He is still working on it with various people having volunteered to
help;  I believe he's giving updates on his progress on the MkLinux
mailing list if you care to tune in.

[I am purposely omitting his email address for now; when he gets
 something stable, he'll announce here.]

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>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

J> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
J> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.

J> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.

That's what it is, that's the behavior I always see.

J> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

J> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

Is this in VM I presume?  You might try checking your initialization
for that.  I don't use VM, and a quick scan of the code didn't show
anything obviously redefining it.

J> delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.


J> And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(

J> I've tried running C-h b and it seems to think M-q is bound to
J> fill-region-or-paragraph.  It really is in some modes but not others.
J> I'm certain that I'm not redefining it anywhere.  What's happening?

Key bindings are local to modes and buffers, so they can be different
depending on which mode you're in or which buffer you're in.  This is
a feature.  Repeat whatever it is you do to get the results above, and
do C-h w delete-frame.

The only thing I can think of right now is that later versions of
olvwm capture M-q and use it as a quick kill window function :-(.
However, you would be seeing that everywhere and not just in some
buffers.
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Howdy,

I seem to be having a small problem setting up supercite for Xemacs --
as per the faq I added this line 

(add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)

But whenever I use the reply-option in VM, it says symbol-definition
void 'sc-cite-original. What could I be missing?


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Hi.

As the you can see from the subject, I was just wondering if it is possible to 
use norwegian characters in XEmacs and if it is, how?



If you could send a copy of your response to my e-mail address...


Cheers,

BTJ

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>>>>> "JA" == Jari Aalto <ssjaaa@uta.fi> writes:

JA> In case one does a simple things it doesn't matter which shell
JA> language one uses.

$ for f in *; do
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>  <do something else with $f>
>  <do yet another thing with $f>
> done

I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

[...]

JA> But it's good to know the csh limitations, or advantages (that's why
JA> I use it, it has nice :e :h etc. modifiers for variables.)

bash and ksh have nearly all the features of the C shells, including
tcsh, but without the limitations.  And bash is free.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
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In article <m2ohiadtns.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:


> The only thing I can think of right now is that later versions of
> olvwm capture M-q and use it as a quick kill window function :-(.
No, because C-h k tells him it's delete-frame. It's an emacs thing.

The standard procedure in such cases: test it in "xemacs -q" mode to see if
your .emacs (and .vm or somesuch, if any) are to blame.

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In article <325CFCB6.41C67EA6@nynexst.com> Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com> writes:

> Any ideas what this error msg means,
No.

> or how I can debug the problem?
  (setq debug-on-error t), then post the backtrace here

> P.S.  If I just bring up xemacs without loading any files
Do you mean "getting them into a buffer"? Then this is called "visiting"
them; loading is when you load an .el[c] to customize/add functions.

> ...I don't get this msg, so it is not a problem with my .emacs file.
How does this follow?

Try starting emacs and skipping your .emacs file (use the -q option), then
you'll see if it's caused by your .emacs

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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
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In article <vw919ez6el.fsf@lucy.coronacorp.com>,
	jp@nuancecom.com (J. P. Shipherd) writes:
> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.
> 
> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.
> 
> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:
> 
> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):
> 
> delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.
> 
> And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(
> 
> I've tried running C-h b and it seems to think M-q is bound to
> fill-region-or-paragraph.  It really is in some modes but not others.
> I'm certain that I'm not redefining it anywhere.  What's happening?

When posting reports like this, it's helpful to supply details of your
operating environment.  In this case, I'll take a guess.

You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
manual page) is to put:

  olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false

in your .Xdefaults or wherever you get your resources from.

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Hi there.

I have a small problem. When trying to compile the glyphs.c, I get som strange error 
messages:

(EOF):undefined name: ..b3656.e
(EOF):undefined name: ..b3640.e
(EOF):undefined name: ..b3636.e
(EOF):undefined name: ..d3637
(EOF):undefined name: ..b3632.e
(EOF):undefined name: ..d3633
(EOF):undefined name: ..d3626
(EOF):undefined name: ..d1

I can't seem to find the reason for this. 

The system I am trying to compile it on is defined as: i486-ncr-sysv4.3

Any help us apreciated..

It would be nice if you could send a copy of the response to my e-mail address.


Cheers,

BTJ


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Vladimir Alexiev writes:
 > In article <325CFCB6.41C67EA6@nynexst.com> Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com> writes:
 > 
 > > or how I can debug the problem?
 >   (setq debug-on-error t), then post the backtrace here
 > 
 > > P.S.  If I just bring up xemacs without loading any files
 > Do you mean "getting them into a buffer"? Then this is called "visiting"
 > them; loading is when you load an .el[c] to customize/add functions.
 > 
 > Try starting emacs and skipping your .emacs file (use the -q option), then
 > you'll see if it's caused by your .emacs

OK - as described (somewhere) on this thread, this problem arises when
loading a file off an NFS mounted disk (this one is mounted read
only).  Here's the backtrace obtained when trying to "visit" such a
file.  This was obtained after invoking XEmacs 19.14 with the "-q"
argument on an Alpha 3500 running OSF/1 v3.0 - although the original
poster was on a Sun (I think).

I have no experience with debugging lisp, but looking at the trace we
seem to be having a problem with files under SCCS control??

Signalling: (file-error "Searching for program" "no such file or directory" "prs")
  call-process-internal("prs" nil t nil "-d:I:" "/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/SCCS/s.wdmodule.cxx")
  apply(call-process-internal "prs" nil t nil ("-d:I:" "/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/SCCS/s.wdmodule.cxx"))
  call-process("prs" nil t nil "-d:I:" "/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/SCCS/s.wdmodule.cxx")
  vc-status("/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/wdmodule.cxx" SCCS)
  vc-mode-line("/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/wdmodule.cxx")
  vc-find-file-hook()
  run-hooks(find-file-hooks)
  after-find-file(nil t)
  find-file-noselect("/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/wdmodule.cxx")
  find-file("/sim/current/sun/weltest/main/wdmodule.cxx")
  call-interactively(find-file)

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Mike Atkinson writes:
 > OK - as described (somewhere) on this thread, this problem arises when
 > loading a file off an NFS mounted disk...
 > 
 > I have no experience with debugging lisp, but looking at the trace we
 > seem to be having a problem with files under SCCS control??
 > 

Following my own post...Trials show that this *is* due to the files
being under SCCS control.  A file not under version control on the
disk gave no errors when visited.  As I don't have SCCS on my platform
I can't get any more info.

As I'm not interested in version control from within the editor, I can
get round the problem by removing the vc-find-file-hook, but this
doesn't solve the problem for those who do need such control.

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Bjorn T Johansen wrote:
> 
> Hi there.
> 
> I have a small problem. When trying to compile the glyphs.c, I get som strange error
> messages:
> 
> (EOF):undefined name: ..b3656.e
> (EOF):undefined name: ..b3640.e
> (EOF):undefined name: ..b3636.e
> (EOF):undefined name: ..d3637
> (EOF):undefined name: ..b3632.e
> (EOF):undefined name: ..d3633
> (EOF):undefined name: ..d3626
> (EOF):undefined name: ..d1
> 
> I can't seem to find the reason for this.
> 
> The system I am trying to compile it on is defined as: i486-ncr-sysv4.3
> 
> Any help is apreciated..
> 
> It would be nice if you could send a copy of the response to my e-mail address.
> 

Well, I found the solution. I had to discard the -g flag to the C-compiler.
But know I have come to another problem. After temacs has been build, it start 
loading lips files. All seems to go well until it loads paths.el. After that the 
make process hangs and I have to kill it. Does anyone know how I can get around this 
little problem?


Cheers,
BTJ


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We have been having problems with students using xemacs 
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The xemacs process runs in a loop consuming memory. How to
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This is the binary sparc-sunos xemacs 19.14
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From: mepstein@staff.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.emacs
Subject: Re: Frequently used files
Date: 11 Oct 1996 14:57:42 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Karl Storck <karst@ikp.liu.se> writes:

>There is always some files you visit a lot. I have added a submenu,
>where I can get some of these files directly. The problem is that I have
>to edit my .emacs every time I want to make changes in what's in the
>submenu.
>
>What I want is an automatically updated menu where I find files that I
>visit frequently and/or the last, say 10, visited files.
>
>Is there anything like this anywhere?

Sounds like the package recent-files will do what you want.  It comes
with XEmacs (at least recent versions of it).  I believe all you need
do to use it is add the following two lines to your init file(s):

   (require 'recent-files)
   (recent-files-initialize)

Alas, as is, recent-files does not work with GNU Emacs.  But I
recently contacted the author of the package (since I'm using GNU
Emacs and would like to use the package), and coincidentally he is now
using GNU Emacs himself, so perhaps mods to get it to work with GNU
Emacs will be forthcoming.

--
Milt Epstein
mepstein@staff.uiuc.edu

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From: sachs@panix.com (Josef Sachs)
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>>>>> On 11 Oct 1996 08:19:00 GMT, Des Herriott said:

> You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
> xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
> manual page) is to put:

>   olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false

> in your .Xdefaults or wherever you get your resources from.

Another approach is to just change the menu accelerator bindings
that you don't want.  The advantage is that you can still use other
menu accelerators; the possible disadvantage is that it affects all
clients.  I set the following resources to allow emacs to receive
Meta-w and Meta-q:

olwm.MenuAccelerator.OpenClose:
olwm.MenuAccelerator.Quit:

-- 
Josef Sachs (sachs@panix.com)

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From: sachs@panix.com (Josef Sachs)
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Subject: xemacs goes into a loop if I exit from OpenWindows
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If I exit OpenWindows via olvwm's EXIT command (by default, the "Exit..."
item on the root menu), xemacs goes into a loop printing the following
to its standard output:

xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "mydisplay:0.0"
  after 530 requests (530 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

Emacs 19.28 does not exhibit this behavior.  Is there a patch or workaround
for this?  I'm running xemacs-19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3.  Thanks in advance.
-- 
Josef Sachs (sachs@panix.com)

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From: C Matthew Curtin <cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com>
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graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden) writes:

>   Just out of curiosity... what are people's beliefs of the areas in
> XEmacs that would benefit most from being multithreaded?  Each frame,
> IO, the GUI all in there own thread?

It would be nice to be able to get new news, without having everything
else freeze up. Over a relatively slow link, the whole process of
getting news is a dog. (I've tried various optimizations such as not
reading the whole active file and that sort of thing, but I read so
many groups that it's faster to read the whole active file first :-)

Anyway, if it takes 5 or 10 minutes to get new news, which is about
how long it takes me, I'd like to be able to deal with email, or keep
working on other buffers, etc...

-- 
Matt Curtin  cmcurtin@research.megasoft.com  Megasoft, Inc   Chief Scientist
http://www.research.megasoft.com/people/cmcurtin/   I speak only for myself.
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Subject: Can't see messages during startup
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I specify XEmacs' size with X resources:

! Use two frames next to one another.
Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry: 81x70+756+11
Emacs*GseFrame2.geometry:  81x70+233+11

This works fine, except during startup: while my .emacs is running, the
messages that go to the modeline aren't visible.  I can the the tops of 
the letters poking out of the bottom of my startup frame, but it looks 
like XEmacs thinks the frame is one line longer than it actually is.
Everything cleans up and looks fine once startup is done.

Is this a known problem?  User error?  Does anyone know of a fix?


--
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From: rkneusel@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Robert Kneusel)
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Subject: Compile button bug??
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HI,

I'm using xemacs-19.14 on HP/UX and ever since I upgraded to 19.14 I
am having trouble with the 'compile' button.  The program compiles,
and the errors/warning are displayed.  When I click the center button
on the error, it brings up the nice dialog window to open a file, even
though the source file is already open!  The only way it works is if I
keep typing in the name of the source file for every error I want to
jump to.  Very annoying.  Is there something I can do to correct this?

Thanks in advance,

- Bob
-- 
- Bob Kneusel (rkneusel@du.edu)

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From: tuan@kauai.kauai (Tuan Hoang)
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Subject: Narrow Region
Date: 11 Oct 1996 17:24:40 GMT
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Hi,

Is there a way in Xemacs( or Emacs) to do the reverse of
narrow-to-region command? In other word, sometimes I want to select
the regions I'd like to "hide" and edit the rest of the buffer. It's
sort of like something i've seen in Xedit editor on VMS.

Any idea would be appreciated.

Thanks


Tuan Hoang
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From: matt@mnovi.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Matthew Novi)
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Subject: Post Indextind w/ Xemacs in c++-mode
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Hi,

I am woring on some code which was written in some DOS editor. The
tabbings for this thing are all messed up. Is there any way I can load 
it into Xemacs and have it redo the tabbings without starting at the top
of the file and hitting tab on each line? That's OK for small programs, but
this thing is about 20,000 lines(boy will that hurt my finger :) ).

Thanks,
Matt


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From: kevin.goodman@canada.cdev.com (Kevin Goodman)
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Subject: compile error parsing
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:43:39 -0400
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I'm having trouble adding a new compiler to the
compilation-error-regexp-alist. I tried to do it by adding the new alist
entry in the compile mode hook. xemacs doesn't appear to see my changes to
the alist.

If you have any insight into this problem, please email me directly at:
kevin.goodman@canada.cdev.com

Thanks!

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From: bmayer@pms995.pms.ford.com (B.Mayer)
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Subject: Re: Xemacs mode for C++
Date: 11 Oct 1996 16:57:26 GMT
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Kevin M. Cutts (cutts@ukraine.corp.mot.com) wrote:
: In article <yehDyxIDI.58J@netcom.com>, yeh@netcom.com (Zhenghao Yeh) wrote:

: > How to set Xemacs mode for C++ ?
: > I don't need to type in all the keywords, do I?
: > Thanks 
: C++ is actually just a special variety of c mode. You can invoke it with:
: M-x c++-mode

: Xemacs should start it for you if the file suffix is based on the generally
: accepted .cc or was it .cpp or maybe .cp.

I have modified a segment of my .emacs (started from sample.emacs)
to include the file extensions I have encountered:

;; This adds additional extensions which indicate files normally
;; handled by cc-mode.
;; Brian added cxx, pc, and sql
(setq auto-mode-alist
  (append '(("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
		("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.cxx$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.c$"  . c-mode)
		("\\.pc$"  . c-mode)
		("\\.sql$"  . sql-mode)
		("\\.h$"  . c-mode))
	  auto-mode-alist))

--
Brian R. Mayer                                           Regulatory Systems
bmayer@ford.com                                          Ford Motor Company

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From: jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu (John W. Coomes)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: How to deal with error msg about "prs"
Date: 11 Oct 1996 13:15:24 -0500
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mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com (Mike Atkinson) writes:
> Mike Atkinson writes:
>  > OK - as described (somewhere) on this thread, this problem arises when
>  > loading a file off an NFS mounted disk...
>  > 
>  > I have no experience with debugging lisp, but looking at the trace we
>  > seem to be having a problem with files under SCCS control??
> 
> Following my own post...Trials show that this *is* due to the files
> being under SCCS control.  A file not under version control on the
> disk gave no errors when visited.  As I don't have SCCS on my platform
> I can't get any more info.

On my solaris 2.5 machine, "man prs" gives

	sccs-prs(1)               User Commands               sccs-prs(1)

	NAME
	     sccs-prs, prs - display selected portions of an SCCS history
	SYNOPSIS
	     /usr/ccs/bin/prs [ -ael ] [ -cdate-time ] [ -ddataspec ]
		  [ -rsid ] s.filename ...
	...

which suggests that you need sccs installed and in your path.
-- 
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From: kbibb@yedo.csd.sgi.com (Ken Bibb)
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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
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In <m2ohiadtns.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:


>The only thing I can think of right now is that later versions of
>olvwm capture M-q and use it as a quick kill window function :-(.
>However, you would be seeing that everywhere and not just in some
>buffers.

olvwm (at least the most recent version) by default uses M-q as
a quick kill window function.

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From: David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com>
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Subject: Re: How to add personal info pages in (X)Emacs ?
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>>>>> "Nicolai" == Nicolai P Guba <nicolai@bigbro.demon.co.uk> writes:

>    "AS" == Andreas Schwab <schwab@lamothe.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:
>     AS >  everybody, |> I just would like to know if it is possible,
>     AS >  and thus how, to add some |> personal info pages to the main
>     AS >  info tree in such a way they could be read in |> XEmacs, as

>     AS >  Just name the file `dir', not `localdir'.  -- Andreas Schwab

> I would rather opt for this approach. The following in your .emacs
> should do the trick: 

> (setq Info-default-directory-list
>       (append 
> 	Info-default-directory-list '("/usr/local/teTeX/info/")))

> Which will append /usr/local/teTeX/info onto your Info search path.
> If you have a file called "dir" inside this directory, it will be
> appended to the display of the main dir file...Handy!

Info seems to have some Emacs-specific "features", so the answer to this
question depends on which Emacs you are using.  Unless something has changed
lately, the XEmacs FAQ has the method for this at:

    http://xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu:80/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html#Q5_3_11


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From: Lutz Kittler <kittler@sse-erfurt.de>
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Subject: tm-vm and tm-gnus
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Hi !

We just installed tm7.89 on xemacs-19.14 and so we have some questions.

1. How can I disable tm from automatical executing preview of a message?
   I want to execute previewing only by command.

2. If I want to forward a message the original message isn't copied
   to the forward buffer . What is the easiest way to get it into this
   buffer and how can I setup vm to copy it by default.

3. If I want to insert a message in output buffer only the mime-header (eg.
	[2 gif -file <image/gif>] )  is copied to the buffer,but no contents.

4. When I receive a forwarded message containing a multipart-message ,
   how can I extract this message to a mail-folder or how can I
   preview/decode these parts ?

5. It's only for fun : How can I see the X-Face included in news or mails?

		Thanks , Lutz


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Richard Pieri writes:
>>>>>> "JA" == Jari Aalto <ssjaaa@uta.fi> writes:

JA> In case one does a simple things it doesn't matter which shell
JA> language one uses.

> $ for f in *; do
>> <do something with $f>
>> <do something else with $f>
>> <do yet another thing with $f>
>> done

> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

% foreach f (*.C)
? echo mv $f ${f:h}.cc
? mv $f ${f:h}.cc
? end

I use csh in my shell (in emacs, of course), and ksh in real shell
programming.  What you learn is what you use.  I still use awk/sed/grep,
and not perl.

-- 
Colin

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Henry Rabinowitz writes:

> The following is a problem my group is having with xemacs 19.14  that we
> have installed on our Sun Sparc20 machines under sunos 4.1.3.

> When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
> error message:
>  "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".

The problem (as you discovered) is that the file is under SCCS control.

One option (as you discovered) is to remove `vc-find-file-hook' from
your `find-file-hooks'.

A better option, if you have SCCS somewhere, is to have the directory
with `prs' in your path.  This should be named /usr/sccs/bin (or
something like that).

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
Date: 11 Oct 1996 21:12:54 +0200
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Des Herriott (des@corp.netcom.net.uk) wrote:
> You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
> xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
> manual page) is to put:
>   olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false

But if XEmacs never sees M-q, how can you explain this:

> > However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:
> > (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):
> > delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.

It seems like an XEmacs problem to me. :(

-- 
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Subject: Re: hideif.el help needed
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>>>>> "Farhad" == Farhad Bahrami <Farhad.Bahrami@nmp.nokia.com> writes:

> I'm using the standard hideif.el package, but it seems to work the
> reverse for me!  In the following example:

> #define FLAG

> #ifdef  FLAG
> /* stuff for FLAG */
> #else
> /* stuff not for FLAG */
> #endif

> you'd expect it hide /* stuff not for FLAG */ since FLAG is defined -
> but it's just the reverse.

> What am I doing wrong?

I think you'd find that even if you deleted the #define statement, it would
still work the same.  This hideif.el package does not parse #define
statements.  You use the hide-ifdef-define command to define the variable and
then use hide-ifdefs to get the effect you wanted.  Read the comments in the
hideif.el file.

-- 
==================================================================
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From: KuMan <kuman@geocities.com>
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Subject: how to compile C?
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Hello:

	How do u compile a C / C++ source in Xemacs ?

	And How do u find a particular line in Xemacs ?

Thank You
-- 
KuMan

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Hello,

I'm using the standard hideif.el package, but it seems to work the
reverse for me!  In the following example:

#define FLAG

#ifdef  FLAG
/* stuff for FLAG */
#else
/* stuff not for FLAG */
#endif

you'd expect it hide /* stuff not for FLAG */ since FLAG is defined -
but it's just the reverse.

What am I doing wrong?

Cheers,
   Farhad

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: how to compile C?
Supersedes: <kigafttm7wn.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>
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KuMan (kuman@geocities.com) wrote:
> 	How do u compile a C / C++ source in Xemacs ?
> 	And How do u find a particular line in Xemacs ?

I don't know about Xemacs, but in XEmacs you compile typing M-x
compile.

You go to a particular line by typing M-g (or M-x goto-line).

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.  
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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Hi, Folks:

How can I run another program in a window if Xemacs without using 
'M-x shell'?
-- 

Gang Wang

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From: Jim Lekas <jbl@tfs.com>
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Subject: Re: Indentation in cc-mode
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Zhenghao Yeh wrote:
> 
> Hi! There,
> 
> I have a habit to write code like this:
> 
> while (true)
> {
>   do something;
>   ... ;
> }
> 
> However Xemacs automatically gives me this:
> 
> while (true)
>   {
>   do something;
>   .......
>   }
> 
> I really don't like it.
> Now Xemacs can change it to:
> 
> while (true) {
>   do something;
>   .... ;
> }
> 
> I don't like it neither.
> 
> I expect Emacs would give me a lot freedom because it provides the LISP
> files for the users to customize. Anyone can show me some pointers?
> 
> Oh, the other thing, why the C++ keywords such as "class", "private" and
> "int" are not highlighted? Is it my responsibility to do that? How?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Yeh

Dear colleage:

I'm no expert on XEMACS, but I happened to be looking at cc-mode
yesterday.  There are many helpful comments in cc-mode.el.
In particular, look at the list of pre-defined formats in c-style-alist.
Try executing c-set-style interactively to change modes (e.g. M-x c-set-style).
Also look at c-offsets-alist.  You can use c-set-offset interactively
to change offsets, once you figure out the name of the offset you care about.
Below is an excerpt from cc-mode.el, and the piece of my .emacs which
selects the "bsd" indentation style.

;; If your Emacs comes with cc-mode already (and as of 18-Jan-1996,
;; XEmacs 19.13 and Emacs 19.30 both do), you only need to add the
;; following to use the latest version of cc-mode:
;;
;; (load "cc-mode")
;;

;; There are four major mode entry points provided by this package,
;; one for editing C++ code, one for editing C code (both K&R and
;; ANSI), one for editing Objective-C code, and one for editing Java
;; code.  The commands are M-x c-mode, M-x c++-mode, M-x objc-mode,
;; and M-x java-mode.

;; If you are using an old version of Emacs which does not come
;; with cc-mode.el, you will need to do these things
;; to use it:
;;
;; (autoload 'c++-mode  "cc-mode" "C++ Editing Mode" t)
;; (autoload 'c-mode    "cc-mode" "C Editing Mode" t)
;; (autoload 'objc-mode "cc-mode" "Objective-C Editing Mode" t)
;; (autoload 'java-mode "cc-mode" "Java Editing Mode" t)
;; (setq auto-mode-alist
;;   (append '(("\\.C$"    . c++-mode)
;;             ("\\.cc$"   . c++-mode)
;;             ("\\.c$"    . c-mode)
;;             ("\\.h$"    . c-mode)
;;             ("\\.m$"    . objc-mode)
;;             ("\\.java$" . java-mode)
;;            ) auto-mode-alist))
;;
;; You do not need these changes in Emacs versions that come with cc-mode.

(load "cc-mode")

(defun c-mode-hook() 
  ;; (setq c-basic-offset 4)
  (setq c-file-style "bsd")
  )
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'c-mode-hook)

-- 
James Lekas, Software Engineer
TRW Enterprise Solutions, 300 Lakeside Drive, Oakland CA 94612-3540
(510)645-3664

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Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
> $ for f in *; do
> >  <do something with $f>
> >  <do something else with $f>
> >  <do yet another thing with $f>
> > done
> 
> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

% foreach f (*)
foreach? echo $f
foreach? grep foo $f
foreach? cat $f > /dev/null
foreach? end
% <lots of output>

Works fine; did I miss something?

-- Mark Hood

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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: RCS: Does it still work in 19.14?
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:57:01 -0500
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Ric Steinberger wrote:
> 
> I haven't used RCS in xemacs in about 6 months.  last time was with xemacs
> 19.13, and it worked fine.  Now, after I check out a file, xemacs' RCS menu
> pulldown still shows a choice to check it out, instead of check it in.
> Command line RCS works fine.  Do I need to do something different?
> 
> (sc-mode 'RCS)
> 
> is the .xemacs startup line I use.  Other RCS pulldown menu choices
> seem to work OK.
> 
> Please respond via email, if possible, as I don't get to read the xemacs
> newsgroup as often as I'd like.  Thansk in advance to all who reply....

I'm having this problem with 19.14 on HP-UX 9.04 also.  Does anyone have
a fix?

MikeB

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.

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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Shapiro <joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU> writes:

Joel> See the XEmacs FAQ, part 5/6 I think.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html#Q5_3_10

Joel> I figured it out from there.  But if you want to try and include
Joel> a picture of yourself, it's not worth the trouble.

Joel> This is because even if your original picture is converted to
Joel> greyscale, the XFace only allows black and white, with nothing
Joel> in between.  So to make your picture look recognizable after
Joel> converting it to a bitmap, you'll have to toggle it bit by bit.
Joel> If you have a simple line drawing, it can come out OK, like my
Joel> castle.  I wonder how Steve Baur got his XFace picture to come
Joel> out so well . . . :-)

That's not how I would have described it, but ...

The original jpeg it was taken from is on my home page.  I did most of
the conversion with XV.  I cut out the 48x48 pixel section with my
face on it, and did a lot of colormap fiddling before saving it out as
bitmap.  XV has a color editor which is pretty useful for that.  The
basic idea being that you massage the Intensity curve so that it looks
something like an ess.  The location of the downward portion depends
on the color distribution in the picture, and trial and error seems
about the only approach for narrowing it down further.  I think this
is documented in the XV manual.

It comes out light on a dark background due to the lighting in the
picture.  I did some experimentation trying to invert it, but the
results were *really* bad.  So I ended up leaving it alone.

An X-Face is 48x48x1 pixels, so you can't expect a picture to look
nice, and the drawings (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's Gnu drawn by Luis
Fernandes, and Richard Cognot's 5 pointed star and circle, to name two
notable examples) do seem to work the best.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

J> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
J> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.

J> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.

J> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

J> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

I tried various combinations of keybindings and the only thing I could
come up with that gave that particular output was:

(define-key vm-mode-map [(meta q)] `(delete-frame ,(vm-window-frame) t))

This isn't a sequence I would expect you to type without realizing
what you're doing ;-).

J> delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.


J> And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(

Wrong type argument: commandp, (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xbf6> t)

There's got to be something else you haven't mentioned.
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Bharath" == Bharath Shashikumar <shashi@cs.purdue.edu> writes:

Bharath> Howdy,

Bharath> I seem to be having a small problem setting up supercite for
Bharath> Xemacs -- as per the faq I added this line

Bharath> (add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)

Bharath> But whenever I use the reply-option in VM, it says
Bharath> symbol-definition void 'sc-cite-original. What could I be
Bharath> missing?

I goofed.  The instructions should read:
(add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'sc-cite-original)
(autoload 'sc-cite-original "supercite")


Is there a good reason why sc-cite-original isn't designated an
autoloaded function?
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:

Anders> Is gdbsrc broken? The first time I start it (i.e. 'M-x
Anders> gdbsrc'), I always get the error message 'Cannot determine
Anders> current-gdb-buffer'.

Yes, but not in the way you describe.  When I start it that way I get
a weird value for the path[1], but not the error message.  You will
get that error message if for some reason gdb mode doesn't start.
Does M-x gdb by itself work?

Current directory is /tmp
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[1]
To be fixed in 19.15.
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>>>>> "Josef" == Josef Sachs <sachs@panix.com> writes:

Josef> If I exit OpenWindows via olvwm's EXIT command (by default, the
Josef> "Exit..."  item on the root menu), xemacs goes into a loop
Josef> printing the following to its standard output:
 ...
Josef> Is there a patch or workaround for this?  I'm running
Josef> xemacs-19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3.

No patch that I'm aware of.  I've observed this behavior at times
under Linux & OpenWindows/olvwm as well.

The workaround is to always exit XEmacs before you quit OpenWindows.
Works for me.
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haro@sesam.dnv.no (Hans A. Rosbach) wrote:

>Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@en3500.oren.co.il> writes:

>> 
>> >>>>> "Mats" == Mats Weber <Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch> writes:
>> 
>>     >> Hi, I am new to xemacs (I use 19.14).  Does any one know how to make
>>     >> xemacs work with 8bit characters (accented vocals, circumflexed vocals,
>>     >> etc...)?.

There is another character I am searching for:

How can I get a ~ (tilde)?

I couldn't find an answer in the FAQ's.

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I have probelms compiling xemacs under ultrix. Is there anybody
outhere that had succesfully compiled xemacs under ultrix?

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

   >>>>> "Anders" == Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se> writes:

   Anders> Is gdbsrc broken? The first time I start it (i.e. 'M-x
   Anders> gdbsrc'), I always get the error message 'Cannot determine
   Anders> current-gdb-buffer'.

   Yes, but not in the way you describe.  When I start it that way I get
   a weird value for the path[1], but not the error message.  You will
   get that error message if for some reason gdb mode doesn't start.
   Does M-x gdb by itself work?

I'm getting the same msg as Anders, but I can proceed with no problems.
Exiting gdbsrc-mode and restarting it again (in the same XEmacs) is just
fine. And, yes, M-x gdb by it's own work fine with no err msgs.
This is 19.14 on SunOS4.1.3_U1.


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Nerver seen this.


   [1]
   To be fixed in 19.15.


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From: steven@sunflight.osc.cuny.edu (Steven Shoemaker)
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I am haveing trouble getting the options right to print
on the command line i normaly do 
lp -ducchp2 -oduplex filename
so i tried to put this in my .emacs file
(setq lpr-switches '("-ducchp2 -oduplex"))
but this didnt help
could some one explain this to me?

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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[The original copy of Rick's message never reached the local news
spool :-(, thank goodness for nnweb and dejanews :-)]

>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:
>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Rick> 2. In copying files with extension .DAT and .TEX, ange-ftp sets Type
Rick>    binary. I want ascii. Where is the alist I should edit?

sb> That is because they are being matched with the
sb> ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp variable.  It doesn't appear to be a
sb> default in 19.14, so look somewhere in your customization.

Rick> Thanks, Steve, I found it and it was set to ".".

Ouch!  Sorry about that.  I just found that setting in the
sample.emacs.

Rick> Now I want to set it so that lower case extensions are binary
Rick> transfers and upper case (like ".DAT") are ascii. Can this be
Rick> done easily?

I think so.

Try using a match string like:
\\.[a-z]+$

Something like

(require 'ange-ftp)
(setq ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp 
      (concat ange-ftp-binary-file-name-regexp
	      "\\|\\.[a-z]+$"))

should do it.

Rick> This is my first choice since the PC I communicate with always
Rick> saves filenames in upper case.

Rick> My second choice would be to define a new variable
Rick> ange-ftp-ascii-file-name-regexp. Maybe this is useful in any
Rick> case.

ange-ftp is kind of up-in-the-air right now.  We've promised efs as a
replacement package, but I'm not sure that's still on (for 19.15).  I
feel real dubious about adding new features to a package that will be
phased out.

Rick> BTW I vote Steve the most helpful person on the usenet.

Thanks.  The person I'd vote for would be Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen.
The amount of quality code he writes *plus* the amount of time he
spends patiently answering questions is astonishing.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Bharat Shashikumar <shashi@cs.purdue.edu>
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Subject: The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual
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Is there a PS version of it anyhwere -- I would be interested in a PS
version or a single-page HTML version. Any pointers welcome!


--
bharath [shashi@cs.purdue.edu]




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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Goodman <kevin.goodman@canada.cdev.com> writes:

Kevin> I'm having trouble adding a new compiler to the
Kevin> compilation-error-regexp-alist. I tried to do it by adding the
Kevin> new alist entry in the compile mode hook. xemacs doesn't appear
Kevin> to see my changes to the alist.

It worked when I tried it.  This variable should look something like:

(("re1" i1 j1 k1) ("re2" i2 j2 k2) ("re3" i3 j3 k3))

Where each of the re's are ugly looking regular expression strings.
Do a C-h v compilation-error-regexp-alist to see what the other fields
are.

To append to the end:
(setq compilation-error-regexp-alist
      (append compilation-error-regexp-alist
              (list '("re"))))

To prepend to the beginning:
(setq compilation-error-regexp-alist
      (cons "re" compilation-error-regexp-alist))

Note that this variable is local to a specific compilation buffer.  So
if you change it, the changes to the variable will not be reflected
until you rerun the compiler.

My best guess is you didn't realize the buffer local aspect, attempted
to change the variable and expected the *compilation* buffer to
immediately reflect the updated value.
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Tuan" == Tuan Hoang <tuan@kauai.kauai> writes:
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please correct your news reading software.  That is not a valid email
address.

Tuan> Hi,
Tuan> Is there a way in Xemacs( or Emacs) to do the reverse of
Tuan> narrow-to-region command? In other word, sometimes I want to select
Tuan> the regions I'd like to "hide" and edit the rest of the buffer. It's
Tuan> sort of like something i've seen in Xedit editor on VMS.

I'd suggest trying outline-mode or one of the folding modes (see
lisp/utils/foldout.el for one supplied with XEmacs).  There's just
been some discussion in this newsgroup of the various folding modes,
so if your news server has already expired the messages, they will
still be on dejanews.

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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "KuMan" == KuMan  <kuman@geocities.com> writes:

KuMan> Hello:
KuMan> 	How do u compile a C / C++ source in Xemacs ?

M-x compile

(Also available on the toolbar)

KuMan> 	And How do u find a particular line in Xemacs ?

If you know the line number (using line 453 as an example)
M-x goto-line 453

By default, goto-line is bound to `M-g'.

C-s and C-r (isearch-forward and isearch-backward) are useful if you
don't know the line number, but know a pattern.

For languages like C & C++ the etags facility can be quite useful for
locating functions.  Run the etags program installed with XEmacs over
all the source of a program, then you can load a file move the cursor
over a specific function call, hit M-. and have the source for the
function brought up.

If searching for function calls in just one buffer, there's also
func-menu.  See the sample.emacs (Help->Sample .emacs from the
menubar) included with XEmacs for examples of how to configure it into
your setup.

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>>>>> "Bharat" == Bharat Shashikumar <shashi@cs.purdue.edu> writes:

    Bharat> Is there a PS version of it anyhwere -- I would be
    Bharat> interested in a PS version or a single-page HTML
    Bharat> version. Any pointers welcome!

Bharat, check out the info pages, they're pretty good.

-- 
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Hecking <lhecking@nmrc.ucc.ie> writes:

Lars> I'm getting the same msg as Anders, but I can proceed with no
Lars> problems.  Exiting gdbsrc-mode and restarting it again (in the
Lars> same XEmacs) is just fine. And, yes, M-x gdb by it's own work
Lars> fine with no err msgs.  This is 19.14 on SunOS4.1.3_U1.

I still cannot duplicate this.  However, would you please try this
patch to gdbsrc.el and see if it fixes things?


*** gdbsrc.el~	Tue Jun 18 15:26:54 1996
--- gdbsrc.el	Sat Oct 12 17:00:13 1996
***************
*** 294,301 ****
        (and (eq major-mode 'gdb-mode)	; doesn't work w/ energize yet
  	   (setq current-gdb-buffer (current-buffer))
  	   ;; XEmacs change:
! 	   (make-local-hook 'kill-buffer-hook)
! 	   (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'gdbsrc-reset nil t))
        (error "Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer"))
  ;;;   (set-process-filter 
  ;;;    (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer) 'gdbsrc-mode-filter)
--- 294,302 ----
        (and (eq major-mode 'gdb-mode)	; doesn't work w/ energize yet
  	   (setq current-gdb-buffer (current-buffer))
  	   ;; XEmacs change:
! 	   (progn
! 	     (make-local-hook 'kill-buffer-hook)
! 	     (add-hook 'kill-buffer-hook 'gdbsrc-reset nil t)))
        (error "Cannot determine current-gdb-buffer"))
  ;;;   (set-process-filter 
  ;;;    (get-buffer-process current-gdb-buffer) 'gdbsrc-mode-filter)


(Apply the patch with the patch program by cd'ing to the directory
where gdbsrc.el is, feeding this message as standard input to it, and
then rebytecompiling gdbsrc.el with the command
`xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile gdbsrc.el').
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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> writes:

sb> Unless you're making some kind of major change, you should always
sb> prefer to either copy the file into the site-lisp directory and make
sb> changes there, 

Dan> Ah, that will bypass the pre-loaded version?  Or do I still need
Dan> to do an explicit (load "...")?

No, it won't bypass pre-loaded versions, but it will bypass
auto-loaded versions.  It's also not a good idea to make changes
directly to the base files as it will make it more difficult for you
to upgrade to the next version.

sb> or use the excellent advice package for performing surgery on individual
sb> functions.

Dan> Well, a complaint around here about XEmacs is that it takes way
Dan> too long to load (compared to, say, vi), and so recently I've
Dan> been tuning it to come up a lot quicker.

Grab the source and rebuild it from scratch.  The irritatingly long
load time can be handled in several ways.  One is to just load XEmacs
once in the morning and use the same session all day (grab some coffee
while it is starting up :-) ).  The second is to preload all your
favorite packages into your dumped XEmacs.  This trades off executable
size for much faster startup (the running executables will be more
virtual memory friendly even if larger, since the extra packages
will be shared by all XEmacs processes instead of duplicated in each
process space).

The disadvantage of putting more stuff in the base program is you can't
easily change it without redumping XEmacs (as you have discovered),
and it's always there whether you use it or not.  On the other hand,
the advantages are that load time is considerably improved, and it is
more efficient in terms of virtual memory to have multiple XEmacsen
use preloaded libraries, than it is to autoload the libraries into
each one.

Dan> Unforunately, the advice package slows startup by quite a bit
Dan> (lots and lots of garbage collection, etc.).

Yes, that's correct.  It's also not necessarily a good package to have
in a dumped XEmacs either due to its interaction with the bytecompiler.
On the other hand, if that was the only package you were autoloading
at startup, it wouldn't be so bad.

sb> Would you please post a specific example of one kind of change you
sb> made?

Dan> The most recent thing I was trying to do was change the
Dan> definition of auto-mode-alist in files.el to incorporate the
Dan> changes I requested for 19.15.  I didn't want everyone using
Dan> XEmacs to have to append to the auto-mode-alist in their .emacs
Dan> files.  The solution in this case was to append to the the list
Dan> in the site-start.el file.

Exactly.


If you do decide to build a complete version from source and add more
packages that are preloaded, you will also have to modify the PURESIZE
constant.  This can be done at configuration time with
`configure --puresize=NEWVALUE' (NEWVALUE is specified in bytes), or
by manually editing the src/config.h file.

My installation of XEmacs 19.14 uses 635972 byte of purespace (the
area where preloaded lisp is put).
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>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Kirkwood <kirkwood@lsil.com> writes:

Matt> I finally got XEmacs to start up on my Solaris 2.4 box without any
Matt> startup errors, but now when I try to open a file it tells me:

Matt> Cannot open load file: xpm-button

Matt> Does anybody know what this file is, where it should be, and
Matt> where I can get one if I don't already have it?

It should be in the distribution.  I see it in
lisp/utils/xpm-button.el.

Whenever you have a problem like this, it is frequently a good idea to
select `Options -> General Options -> Debug on Error' from the
menubar, and post the Lisp stack backtrace as well.

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Goldstein <rickg@eng.sun.com> writes:

Richard> I've migrated to xemacs 19.14 recently from GNU, and 
Richard> one thing that bugs the %$&^ out of me is that dbx/gud
Richard> mode beeps and complains that the Mark isn't set right
Richard> every time I hit return to execute a dbx command.  Is
Richard> there a way around this, or is someone trying to annoy
Richard> me into using eos/workshop mode?  Thx,

Please select Options->General Options->Debug on Error from the
menubar, repeat the error and post/email me the lisp backtrace you
get.

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matt@mnovi.bevc.blacksburg.va.us (Matthew Novi) writes:
> I am woring on some code which was written in some DOS editor. The
> tabbings for this thing are all messed up. Is there any way I can load 
> it into Xemacs and have it redo the tabbings without starting at the top
> of the file and hitting tab on each line? That's OK for small programs, but
> this thing is about 20,000 lines(boy will that hurt my finger :) ).

You should have a look at the program "indent". Maybe it will just do
what you need. I attached an excerpt from its manual page:

man> NAME
man>        indent  - changes the appearance of a C program by insert-
man>        ing or deleting whitespace.
man> 
man> SYNOPSIS
man>        indent [-bad] [-bap] [-bbb] [-bc] [-bl] [-bliN] [-br] [-cN] [-cdN]
man>             [-cdb] [-ce] [-ciN] [-cliN] [-cpN] [-cs] [-bs] [-dN] [-diN]
man>             [-fc1] [-fca] [-gnu] [-iN] [-ipN] [-kr] [-lN] [-lp] [-nbad]
man>             [-nbap] [-nbbb] [-nbc] [-ncdb] [-nce] [-ncs] [-nfc1] [-nfca]
man>             [-nip] [-nlp] [-npcs] [-npsl] [-nsc] [-nsob] [-nss] [-nv]
man>             [-orig] [-npro] [-pcs] [-psl] [-sc] [-sob] [-ss] [-st]
man>             [-T] [-tsN] [-v] [-version] [file]

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Matthew Novi (matt@mnovi.bevc.blacksburg.va.us) wrote:
> I am woring on some code which was written in some DOS editor. The
> tabbings for this thing are all messed up. Is there any way I can load 
> it into Xemacs and have it redo the tabbings without starting at the top
> of the file and hitting tab on each line? That's OK for small programs, but
> this thing is about 20,000 lines(boy will that hurt my finger :) ).

You can mark whole buffer with C-x h, and use M-x indent-region to
indent it.  It will probably be terribly slow, but you can make a
coffee break, and besides, your fingers won't hurt. ;)

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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With emacsserver.c

I get the following errors:

/usr/include/sys/socket.h:131: redefinition of `truct linger'

and other redefinition errors with sockaddr, sockproto and msghdr

Any idea?
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Rita" == Rita Lui <ritalui@isaac.raleigh.ibm.com> writes:

Rita> Hi,
Rita> I put the following in my .emacs file

Rita>    (display-column-mode)

Rita> to show the current line/column number on the modeline. 
Rita> But, both the line and column number start from 0
Rita> instead of 1. 

Actually, I see the line starting at 1 and the column starting from
0.  The only reason I can think of that you might be seeing line
numbers start from 0 would be that you are using XEmacs 19.13.

Rita> If I comment out the above line in my .emacs and put 
Rita> the following instead, 

Rita>    (setq line-number-mode t)

Rita> the line number starts from 1 (and of course there
Rita> is no column number there). Why? 

This appears to be a problem with XEmacs 19.14.  There is no column
number because there is no magic in the default modeline-format to
deal with it.

If you haven't touched the modeline-format variable, you can put this
in your .emacs: (This will make it match the setting it will have in
19.15)

(cl-set-nthcdr 11
	       modeline-format
	       '((column-number-mode "C%c--") (-3 . "%p") "-%-"))

And then
(setq line-number-mode t)
(setq column-number-mode t)

will both work.  Except that the column will start from 0 not 1. :-(

Rita> I want to see both line and column number in the modeline. How
Rita> do I set the starting line/column number to 1 and not 0?

Try this in your .emacs:

(setq update-column-function
      #'(lambda ()
	  (setq current-column (int-to-string (1+ (current-column))))
	  (setq current-line   (int-to-string (current-line)))
	  (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p))))
(display-column-mode)

Please note that once the value of update-column-function is set in
this fashion, it is not a trivial operation to change.  You have to do
something like:

(remove-hook 'post-command-hook update-column-function)

;; Modify update-column-function

(add-hook 'post-command-hook update-column-function)



Rita> Thanks very much.

Hope this helps.
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>>>>> "Bharat" == Bharat Shashikumar <shashi@cs.purdue.edu> writes:

Bharat> Is there a PS version of it anyhwere -- I would be interested
Bharat> in a PS version or a single-page HTML version. Any pointers
Bharat> welcome!

I don't know but there ought to be.  Ben did an outstanding job
updating it for 19.14, and right now it appears to be the most up to
date reference on Emacs lisp available.

It's definitely required reading.
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>>>>> "Henry" == Henry Rabinowitz <henryr@nynexst.com> writes:

Henry The following is a problem my group is having with xemacs 19.14  that we
Henry have
Henry installed on our Sun Sparc20 machines under sunos 4.1.3.  

Henry When I try to open files that it wants to syntax-colorize, i get the
Henry error message:
Henry  "Searching for program: no such file or directory, prs".

This happens because the directory where the source file resides has an
SCCS sub-directory (or a symlink), so emacs tried to get its SCCS
status by issuing the command 'prs <file>', which fails, because the
'prs' command is in the directory /usr/sccs in SunOS.

I fixed this with this workaround:

In your .emacs (or site-start.el), add this (assuming variable
NDS::os-type contains output from 'uname' and adjusted correctly to
distinguish between SunOS and Solaris):

;; Set search path for SCCS commands on SunOS

(if (string= NDS::os-type "SunOS")
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From: Chung Jae-youn <crisp@hugsvr.kaist.ac.kr>
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Hi xemacs users?,
I want to use xemacs in text mode with color display enabled.
My text terminal called "hanterm" which ,kind of xterm, supports 
hangul display.
When i run xemacs in text mode, I found that xemacs shows colors in modeline.
Any i want xemacs to do all of my xemacs workings in text mode.

Thanx in advance.

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Hello

I posted a question on this list earlier stating that I was having
trouble compiling xoobr in xemacs.  I have not recieved any replies to
the question.  I do not recall seeing anyone else post regarding xoobr. 
That leads me to the next question:

Does ANYBODY use xoobr?  Is it even useable?
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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul W Box <sanduku@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> writes:

    Paul> Hello I posted a question on this list earlier stating that
    Paul> I was having trouble compiling xoobr in xemacs.  I have not
    Paul> recieved any replies to the question.  I do not recall
    Paul> seeing anyone else post regarding xoobr.  That leads me to
    Paul> the next question:

    Paul> Does ANYBODY use xoobr?  Is it even useable?  --

Yup, it is usable. What's your problem?

Richard.

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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> writes:

> Shawn Brown writes:
Shawn> I'd like to disable the toolbar feature of vm, and am having
Shawn> difficulty finding out how to do it.

 ...

Shawn> The vm info file is of little help, and I'm got really knowledgable
Shawn> of elisp code to figure this out.

giacomo> the above is sort of a meta-question (or a meta-FAQ) (hi
giacomo> Steve!):

giacomo> how do i do ... in VM, info file doesn't help!

giacomo> well, the meta-answer is, look into the file vm-vars.el, in
giacomo> the vm directory of the lisp library

O.K.  Looks good.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html#Q4_0_12
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Shoemaker <steven@sunflight.osc.cuny.edu> writes:

Steven> I am haveing trouble getting the options right to print
Steven> on the command line i normaly do 
Steven> lp -ducchp2 -oduplex filename
Steven> so i tried to put this in my .emacs file
Steven> (setq lpr-switches '("-ducchp2 -oduplex"))

(setq lpr-switches '("-ducchp2" "-oduplex"))

Steven> but this didnt help
Steven> could some one explain this to me?

We just covered this topic in great detail a few weeks ago.  I'd
suggest doing a dejanews search to find it.  Use a search string of
``lpr-switches xemacs''.

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In article <m2ybhbjuru.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>, Steven L Baur
<steve@miranova.com> wrote:

> I don't know but there ought to be.  Ben did an outstanding job
> updating it for 19.14, and right now it appears to be the most up to
> date reference on Emacs lisp available.

ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/docs contains dvi and postscript of all the Xemacs
manuals (lispref included) for US letter and A4 paper sizes. 

-pvg

Peter V. Gadjokov       pvg@bigbook.com
BigBook Inc.            http://www.bigbook.com

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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However note that emacs indent functions won't change newlines (only
leading spaces). Thus, if you want a really consistent layout, use the unix
command indent.

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Just choose some meaningful colors for your fonts, and you should be ok.
(Remember that ANSI terms support only 8 colors for foreground and 8 for
background, but xemacs might do some meaningful conversion on other colors,
I don't know.) I am looking at b/w effects right now on my b/w CGA monitor
and with xemacs 19.12.

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al012@svtstu.seqeb.gov.au (Anthony Lee) writes:
> With emacsserver.c
> I get the following errors:
> 
> /usr/include/sys/socket.h:131: redefinition of `truct linger'
> 
> and other redefinition errors with sockaddr, sockproto and msghdr
> 
> Any idea?

I had the same problem, and I got around it in the following way.
In emacsserver.c the following code occurs around line 59:

#if ! defined (HAVE_SYSVIPC)
/* BSD code is very different from SYSV IPC code */

#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/file.h>
#include <sys/socket.h>
#include <sys/signal.h>
#include <sys/stat.h> /* Needed for chmod, at least on Linux */
#include <sys/un.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <errno.h>
#include "../src/sysproc.h" /* Needed for select */

But <sys/socket.h> is also #included in "../src/sysproc.h". Commenting
out the "#include <sys/socket.h>" in the above code (in emacsserver.c)
eliminates the duplicated definition of the structs.

I don't think this has any side effects, since the code from
<sys/socket.h> is still indirectly included in emacsserver.h.
However... 

I'm now stuck a few steps later in the compilation process. I get the
following output (sorry it's so long, but there may be clues in the
first line):

--snip--

gcc -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
 -I. -I/home/csss/csssdisk/contrib/src/xem/xemacs-19.14/src
 -I/net/ULTRIX/depot/X11R5.26/X11R5/include  -DNeedFunctionPrototypes=0
 -DNeedVarargsPrototypes=0
 -I/home/csss/csssdisk/contrib/src/xem/xemacs-19.14/src/../lwlib -g -O
 /home/csss/csssdisk/contrib/src/xem/xemacs-19.14/src/prefix-args.c -o
 prefix-args
gcc -nostdlib `./prefix-args -Xlinker
 -L/net/ULTRIX/depot/X11R5.26/X11R5/lib -L. -L../lwlib ` -o temacs
 pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/cmplrs/cc/crt0.o abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o
 buffer.o bytecode.o callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o
 cmdloop.o cmds.o console.o console-stream.o data.o database.o device.o
 dialog.o dired.o doc.o doprnt.o dynarr.o editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o
 eval.o events.o  event-stream.o event-unixoid.o  extents.o faces.o
 fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o frame.o
 general.o getloadavg.o dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o glyphs.o gui.o
 hash.o indent.o inline.o insdel.o intl.o keymap.o lread.o lstream.o
 macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o objects.o opaque.o
 print.o process.o profile.o pure.o rangetab.o realpath.o redisplay.o
 redisplay-output.o regex.o scrollbar.o search.o signal.o sound.o
 specifier.o strftime.o symbols.o syntax.o sysdep.o toolbar.o
 console-tty.o device-tty.o event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o
 redisplay-tty.o cm.o undo.o unexmips.o console-x.o device-x.o
 dialog-x.o event-Xt.o frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o menubar-x.o
 objects-x.o redisplay-x.o scrollbar-x.o toolbar-x.o xgccache.o
 xselect.o window.o termcap.o tparam.o lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o
 ralloc.o EmacsFrame.o EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o
 TransientEmacsShell.o EmacsManager.o -llw -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext
 -lX11 -ldbm `gcc -print-libgcc-file-name` -lm -lc `gcc
 -print-libgcc-file-name`
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
              0 in the positive direction,
          99712 in the negative direction.
ge in .text section for relocation entry 519 for symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation
 entry 527 for symbol: my_edata 
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs with is 23
Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
-count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).
gmake[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
 `/nfs/hercules.cs.uregina.ca/csss/contrib/src/xem/xemacs-19.14/src' 
gmake: *** [src] Error 1

--cut--

I have no idea what these errors mean. Any helpful information anyone
could give me would be greatly appreciated.

BTW, what version of Ultrix are you running? I'm running 4.3. Did you
have to copy src/s/ultrix.h to src/s/ultrix4-3.h (or similar)?

For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled on a
mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

Jason

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Subject: open a new frame with mh-e in it -- how??		
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i'd like to do something pretty simple --i'd like to have a function
that opens a new frame with either mh-rmail or mh-smail in it. i've
tried the following:

(defun my-nf-mh-smail ()
  (interactive)
  (new-frame)
  (mh-smail))

but it has the annoying feature of open mh-smail in the original
window, not the new window.   how do i get it to open in the *new*
window? (open new-frame second doesn't work (at least with rmail),
because rmail splits the window, and it puts the bottom window in the
new frame, which is a big mess).


also, while i'm asking questions - how do i customize the button bar?
i'd like to make the button which launches vm mail now launch
my-mh-rmail (wiht the new frame, of course).  how do i do htis?  how
come customizing button bars doesn't appear in the faq??

thanks much -- steve farrell

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From: cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com (Chris van Engelen)
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Josef Sachs wrote:
: If I exit OpenWindows via olvwm's EXIT command (by default, the "Exit..."
: item on the root menu), xemacs goes into a loop printing the following
: to its standard output:

: xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "mydisplay:0.0"
:   after 530 requests (530 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

: Emacs 19.28 does not exhibit this behavior.  Is there a patch or workaround
: for this?  I'm running xemacs-19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3.  Thanks in advance.
: -- 
: Josef Sachs (sachs@panix.com)


This has been an annoying error since I started using XEmacs 19.12.
If you have the XEmacs sources, and are willing to compile it again,
you can fix this (actually: patch this) by making the following
addition to function x_IO_error_handler in file device-x.c:

	int
	x_IO_error_handler (Display *disp)
	{
	  /* This function can GC */
	  Lisp_Object dev;
	  struct device *d = get_device_from_display (disp);
	  XSETDEVICE (dev, d);
	
	  if (NILP (find_nonminibuffer_frame_not_on_device (dev)))
	    {
	      /* We're going down. */
	      stderr_out
		("\n%s: Fatal I/O Error %d (%s) on display connection \"%s\"\n",
	         (STRINGP (Vinvocation_name) ?
		  (char *) string_data (XSTRING (Vinvocation_name)) : "xemacs"),
		 errno, strerror (errno), DisplayString (disp));
	      stderr_out
	        ("  after %lu requests (%lu known processed) with %d events remaining.\n",
	         NextRequest (disp) - 1, LastKnownRequestProcessed (disp),
	         QLength (disp));
	      /* assert (!_Xdebug); */
	    }
	  else
	    {
	      warn_when_safe
		(Qx, Qcritical,
		 "I/O Error %d (%s) on display connection \"%s\"\n"
		 "  after %lu requests (%lu known processed) with "
		 "%d events remaining.\n",
		 errno, strerror (errno), DisplayString (disp),
	         NextRequest (disp) - 1, LastKnownRequestProcessed (disp),
	         QLength (disp));
	    }
	
	  enqueue_magic_eval_event (io_error_delete_device, dev);
	
-->	  /* CvE, July 16, 1996, XEmacs 19.14 */
-->	  /* Test for broken pipe error, which indicates X-server has gone down */
-->	  if ( errno == EPIPE )
-->	  {
-->	      /* Most probably X-server has gone down: Avoid infinite loop by just exciting */
-->	      stderr_out( "\n\nXEmacs exiting on broken pipe (errno %d, %s)\n", errno, strerror( errno ) );
-->	      exit( 1 );
-->	  }
	
	  return 0;
	}


I have reported this bug to the XEmacs developers (Ben and Chuck) for
XEmacs 19.12, 19.13, but have given up hope with 19.14. It seems that
this is an OpenWindows special.

Good luck,
--
Chris van Engelen
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steve farrell (spfarrel@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) wrote:
> (defun my-nf-mh-smail ()
>   (interactive)
>   (new-frame)
>   (mh-smail))
> but it has the annoying feature of open mh-smail in the original
> window, not the new window.   how do i get it to open in the *new*
> window? (open new-frame second doesn't work (at least with rmail),
> because rmail splits the window, and it puts the bottom window in the
> new frame, which is a big mess).

Use
(select-frame (new-frame))

instead of just (new-frame) and it should work.

-- 
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It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
> However note that emacs indent functions won't change newlines (only
> leading spaces). Thus, if you want a really consistent layout, use the unix
> command indent.

Much faster, too.  However, it takes time to set up indent the way one
wants, and Emacs is already here.  Furthermore, if you wish to change
indentation only,....

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
main() { printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}

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Subject: Re: Problems compiling on Ultrix
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Jason McLaren (mclaren@cs.uregina.ca) wrote:
[... snip ...]
> gmake: *** [src] Error 1

Use -G 0 and it should compile.

> For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled on a
> mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

Yes, it was.  A friend of mine succeeded, but it didn't work for him
(crashed on startup).  He was beginning to wonder if *anyone* uses the
later XEmacs' on Ultrix (somewhere around 19.10 it worked fine).

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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Farhad Bahrami wrote:
> 
> I'm using the standard hideif.el package, but it seems to work the
> reverse for me!  

As far as hide-ifdef-mode is concerned, FLAG is not defined in the 
above example and so it shows the /* stuff not for FLAG */

hide-if-def-mode doesn't examine your source file to find out what
is and is not defined - you have to tell it explicitly using:
	M-x hide-ifdef-define RET FLAG RET

Use C-h f hide-ifdef-mode RET for more information.

Enjoy.

ChrisR:
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Chris van Engelen (cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com) wrote:
> This has been an annoying error since I started using XEmacs 19.12.
> If you have the XEmacs sources, and are willing to compile it again,
> you can fix this (actually: patch this) by making the following
> addition to function x_IO_error_handler in file device-x.c:

Bot how come that for me the same thing works flawlessly on fvwm +
X11R5 (Sun).  After closing XEmacs window with "kill", I get:
 
xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "svarozic.srce.hr:0.0"
  after 1140 requests (1140 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

But no infinite loop.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

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Jason McLaren (mclaren@cs.uregina.ca) wrote:
> I'm now stuck a few steps later in the compilation process. I get the
> following output (sorry it's so long, but there may be clues in the
> first line):
> 
> --snip--
> 
> I have no idea what these errors mean. Any helpful information anyone
> could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Try compiling with "-G 0". I don't have any idea what that option
does, but at least it will work...

> For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled on a
> mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

Yes, I compiled it, but it dumps core when I start it.

-- 
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         operating system, and possibly program, of all time."
                   -- Bill Gates, OS/2 Programmer's Guide foreward, 1987

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Is there any way you can make emacs behave like borland C++ IDE color
scheme, when you program C/C++?

Say, display string as blue, integer as red, and/or comment as green, etc.

If there is, could you tell me how or where I can look to find out?
Thank you.

--Yohahn.

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From: Per Flodin <emwpf@emw.ericsson.se>
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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> 
> >>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:
> 
> J> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
> J> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.
> 
> J> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.
> 
> J> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:
> 
> J> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

Me too!
 
> I tried various combinations of keybindings and the only thing I could
> come up with that gave that particular output was:
> 
> (define-key vm-mode-map [(meta q)] `(delete-frame ,(vm-window-frame) t))
> 
> This isn't a sequence I would expect you to type without realizing
> what you're doing ;-).

But it's not only in the VM frame, but on any frame! Fundamental,
elisp or asm mode, doesn't matter. However, M-Q (ie meta-shift-q)
calls the fill command, ie the sequence C-h k meta-shift-q says
fill-paragraph-or-region: (etc)

> There's got to be something else you haven't mentioned.

How can C-h b and C-h k report different results?

It's a clean build, as far as I know, and I find no define-key or
similar in any of the .el files I have checked. Tell me what I have
missed!

... before I get used to shift meta q for fill param! :)

Per Flodin    per.flodin@emw.ericsson.se

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Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
: Chris van Engelen (cvengel@hzsbc111.ns-nl.att.com) wrote:
: > This has been an annoying error since I started using XEmacs 19.12.
: > If you have the XEmacs sources, and are willing to compile it again,
: > you can fix this (actually: patch this) by making the following
: > addition to function x_IO_error_handler in file device-x.c:

: Bot how come that for me the same thing works flawlessly on fvwm +
: X11R5 (Sun).  After closing XEmacs window with "kill", I get:
:  
: xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "svarozic.srce.hr:0.0"
:   after 1140 requests (1140 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

: But no infinite loop.

: -- 
: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
: --------------------------------+--------------------------------
: I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

The infinite loop problem occurs when you exit from OpenWindows in the
normal way, while an XEmacs process is running, ***not** when you just
quit or kill an XEmacs window. Furthermore, it could well be that this
is an error which only happens when using the olwm or olvwm (OpenWindows
or Virtual OpenWindows) window manager.

--
Chris van Engelen
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hyunchon@glue.umd.edu wrote:
> 
> Is there any way you can make emacs behave like borland C++ IDE color
> scheme, when you program C/C++?
> 
> --Yohahn.
>

Yohahn,

This is relatively easy to achieve. Below is a portion of my .emacs file
that sets up some colors for editing C and C++ code.  It uses the
"font-lock" package as specified in the comment. 

;;; Font-Lock is a syntax-highlighting package.  When it is enabled and you
;;; are editing a program, different parts of your program will appear in
;;; different fonts or colors. The code below will cause font-lock to 
;;; automatically be enabled when you edit C, C++, Emacs-Lisp, and many 
;;; other kinds of programs.
;;;
(cond ((string-match "Lucid" emacs-version)
       (require 'font-lock)
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-function-name-face "blue")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "DimGrey")
       (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-string-face "forest green")

Good luck with finding colors that you like!

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From: Alexander Kjeldaas <astor@lucifer.guardian.no>
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Subject: Re: compile error parsing
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> It worked when I tried it.  This variable should look something like:
> 
> (("re1" i1 j1 k1) ("re2" i2 j2 k2) ("re3" i3 j3 k3))
> 
> Where each of the re's are ugly looking regular expression strings.
> Do a C-h v compilation-error-regexp-alist to see what the other fields
> are.
> 

Wouldn't it be nice if the filename, line number and column numbers
could be lambda-functions? I'm using oobr quite a lot and it does a
good job at finding the path for eiffel files. Now you could do it the
hackish/inelegant way that oobr does and write your own error-parser
function in order to use oobr's source-finding feature, but why not
generalize compilation-error-regexp-alist? 

I have another problem with compilation mode. I'd like to use
compilation-mode to parse the output of a *shell* window. Is that
possible? It should be possible if compilation-mode could be a minor
mode in shell-mode. 

What I would like to do is the following: use oobr to compile my
eiffel project., run it from a shell window and when it crashes/gets
an exception I'd like to jump to the source-line where the exception
occurred. Currently I do this by including a regexp matching the
stack-trace lines generated by the eiffel run-time in
compilation-error-regexp-alist and running the program after the
compilation command. This works fairy well since an incremental
compilation only takes a few seconds, but for larger projects I'd like
to have separate buffers.

Concerning oobr, I have two one-line fixes which fixes some problems I
have had with eiffel-support in oobr. Since it doesn't seem to be
supported anymore I'm posting them here:

This makes oobr aware of an eiffel-mode which is autoloaded.
--- /usr/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/eif-browse.el       Wed Jan 31 05:21:50 1996
+++ eif-browse.el       Mon Jul 29 22:38:16 1996
@@ -98,7 +98,8 @@
   (br-setup-functions)
   (fset 'br-store-class-info 'eif-store-class-info)
   (fset 'br-lang-mode
-       (cond ((or (featurep 'eiffel3) (featurep 'eiffel-mode))
+       (cond ((or (featurep 'eiffel3) (featurep 'eiffel-mode)
+                  (fboundp 'eiffel-mode))
               'eiffel-mode)
              ((load "eiffel3" 'missing-ok 'nomessage)
               (provide 'eiffel-mode))


This stops oobr from hanging when it parses features with names like
'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxxxy' which is 'larger' than any word in 'reserved'. 
This bug might be present in the java-parser as well.
--- /usr/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/eif-calls.el        Thu Aug 31 01:36:54 1995
+++ eif-calls.el        Wed Jul 31 02:51:14 1996
@@ -310,7 +310,7 @@
        ;; Ensure that each attrib is not a reserved word
        (while (if (string-equal lattrib (car reserved))
                   (setq attrib nil)
-                (string-lessp (car reserved) lattrib))
+                (and reserved (string-lessp (car reserved) lattrib)))
          (setq reserved (cdr reserved))))
       (if attrib (br-set-cons attribs attrib)))
     (setq attribs (nreverse attribs))))

> What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
> Coincidence?  I think not.

:-)

astor

-- 
Alexander Kjeldaas   
Guardian Networks AS     astor@guardian.no

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>>>>> "James" == James R Seamans <seamans@hrmis.nlm.nih.gov> writes:

James> When Xemacs started up, I received an error:
James> 	Wrong type argument; stringp, nil

Make sure you have no leading, trailing, or consecutive `:' characters
in your PATH.  This will no longer be necessary in 19.15.


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des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:

+> You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
+> xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
+> manual page) is to put:
+> 
+>   olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false


This is it!  Thanks for all the advice.

What made it hard to find was that I normally use fvwm.  I have some
rather stupid apps that I occsionally use that prefer olwm and when
using these I temporarily switch over.That's why it seemed that only
certain modes exhibited this behaviour.

I've modified my .Xdefaults accordingly.

--jp


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>>>>> "steve" == steve farrell <spfarrel@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> writes:

steve> also, while i'm asking questions - how do i customize the
steve> button bar?  i'd like to make the button which launches vm mail
steve> now launch my-mh-rmail (wiht the new frame, of course).  how do
steve> i do htis?  how come customizing button bars doesn't appear in
steve> the faq??

Because I haven't figured out how to do it in a comfortable amount of
space.  There was some code submitted just prior to the release of
19.14 that allowed editing of the default toolbar, but didn't go into
the release because it didn't permit editing any other toolbar.

The best suggestion is to grab the code that puts up the default
toolbar and customize it to fit.  The toolbar I use looks like:
(set-specifier
 default-toolbar
 '([toolbar-file-icon find-file t "Open a file"]
   [toolbar-folder-icon dired t "View directory"]
   [toolbar-disk-icon save-buffer t "Save buffer"]
   [toolbar-printer-icon ps-print-buffer t "Print buffer"]
   [toolbar-cut-icon x-kill-primary-selection t "Kill region"]
   [toolbar-copy-icon x-copy-primary-selection t "Copy region"]
   [toolbar-paste-icon x-yank-clipboard-selection t "Paste from clipboard"]
   [toolbar-undo-icon undo t "Undo edit"]
   [toolbar-spell-icon toolbar-ispell t "Spellcheck"]
   [toolbar-replace-icon query-replace t "Replace text"]
   [toolbar-compile-icon toolbar-compile t "Compile"]
   [toolbar-debug-icon toolbar-debug t "Debug"]))

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: mucci@cs.utk.edu (Philip Mucci)
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Subject: Leaving the region set using isearch ...
Date: 15 Oct 1996 03:05:37 GMT
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Hi all,

Very frequently in emacs I write macros using C-x ( that
use multiple presses of isearch to specify the span of 
text to be operated upon.

Like this:
 Set mark, Search for something a couple times, cut from
original mark.

Unfortunately, Xemacs changes this behavior and I haven't been
able to figure out how to fix it. The FAQ's and ref guides didn't
seem to help.

Thanks for any suggestions!

-Phil

P.S. Is there any reference guides to all the lisp packages? The web
page only has a little bit. Where are the document that describe
how to use that stuff? I'd like to find something to help me use TAGs
with my C files...

-- 
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Per" == Per Flodin <emwpf@emw.ericsson.se> writes:
>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:
>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

J> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a fill column
J> and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the meta command line.

J> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to meta-q.

J> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

J> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

Per> Me too!
 
sb> I tried various combinations of keybindings and the only thing I could
sb> come up with that gave that particular output was:
sb> 
sb> (define-key vm-mode-map [(meta q)] `(delete-frame ,(vm-window-frame) t))
sb> 
sb> This isn't a sequence I would expect you to type without realizing
sb> what you're doing ;-).

Per> But it's not only in the VM frame, but on any frame!

That's a start.  That means the key definition is probably going into
the global keymap.

Per> Fundamental,
Per> elisp or asm mode, doesn't matter.

O.K.  You've established the point.

Per> However, M-Q (ie meta-shift-q) calls the fill command, ie the
Per> sequence C-h k meta-shift-q says fill-paragraph-or-region: (etc)

sb> There's got to be something else you haven't mentioned.

Per> How can C-h b and C-h k report different results?

They compute their results differently.

Per> It's a clean build, as far as I know, and I find no define-key or
Per> similar in any of the .el files I have checked. Tell me what I
Per> have missed!

I've never seen this happen.  I need more information.  Let's try a
different approach.  The next time this happens, do a C-h k M-q and
save the copy of the *Help* buffer.  Do it in at least three different
buffers.  If the output is different, send copies of *all* three
*Help* buffers.

Next, go into the *scratch* buffer and evaluate the `features' variable
(type in `features' and hit C-j) like this:

features C-j
(view-less view mel-q pp mel-b gnus-uu supercite regi fast-lock
gnus-msg gnus-cite sort bbdb-xemacs highlight-headers gnus-async
gnus-score gnus-sum-mime gnus-art-mime gnus-art browse-url gnus-topic
nndoc nndir nnmh nnml gnus-cache gnus-sum disp-table nnfolder
gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail nntp nnoo smiley gnus-bbdb mail-extr
rfc822 tm-bbdb bbdb-com bbdb-gnus bbdb-rmail bbdb t article gnus-start
gnus-range gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-win gnus-mime gnus-charset
gnus gnus-ems gnus-xmas gnus-load gnus-util custom widget paren
mic-paren advice byte-optimize bytecomp byte-compile advice-preload
icomplete gnus-setup tm-mail mime-setup message-mime tm-edit signature
tm-ew-e tm-partial tm-image annotations tm-pgp tm-play env mailcrypt
comint ring tm-view tm-text tm-parse tm-ew-d tm-def tl-822 std11 mel
tm-setup tm-rmail tl-misc tl-atype tl-str tl-seq tl-list cless
file-detect emu emu-e19 emu-xemacs message messagexmas mail-abbrevs
sendmail easymenu timezone nnheader nnheaderxm rmail mail-utils mailheader
rsz-minibuf filladapt func-menu font-lock crypt crypt++ auto-save ange-ftp
dired-xemacs-highlight dired-x dired-extra dired-xemacs-menu dired
auto-show ediff-hook vc-hooks x-iso8859-1 x-menubar mouse mode-motion
itimer cc-mode lisp-mode iso8859-1 page buff-menu lib-complete
two-column derived frame text-props mini-cl cl cl-19 backquote
lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars xface xpm png gif jpeg
athena-dialogs x tty toolbar native-sound scrollbar network-streams
subprocesses menubar berkeley-db dbm md5 lisp-float-type dialog
debug window-system)

[line broken so it will post]

Then send me both sets of output.  You might as well send a copy of
the output of C-h b while you're at it.

Per> ... before I get used to shift meta q for fill param! :)

Think about the different modes you use.  Is there one in particular
you use after which you notice the keybinding change?  (Especially one
you don't see listed above, which would be a mode I don't normally use).
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>>>>> "Lutz" == Lutz Kittler <kittler@sse-erfurt.de> writes:

Lutz> Hi !

Lutz> We just installed tm7.89 on xemacs-19.14 and so we have some questions.

Lutz> 1. How can I disable tm from automatical executing preview of a message?
Lutz>    I want to execute previewing only by command.

(setq gnus-strict-mime nil)
(setq gnus-show-mime nil)

Lutz> 2. If I want to forward a message the original message isn't copied
Lutz>    to the forward buffer . What is the easiest way to get it into this
Lutz>    buffer and how can I setup vm to copy it by default.

In Gnus you select Post -> Mail Forward from the menubar.  Don't know
about VM.

Lutz> 3. If I want to insert a message in output buffer only the
Lutz>    mime-header (eg. [2 gif -file <image/gif>] )  is copied to
Lutz>    the buffer,but no contents.

They really are, you just don't see them because they are 'invisible.
Not showing the ASCII armor garbage is a nice feature.

Lutz> 4. When I receive a forwarded message containing a multipart-message ,
Lutz>    how can I extract this message to a mail-folder or how can I
Lutz>    preview/decode these parts ?

I've always just hit v in the buffer showing the first part.  Assuming
all the pieces are in the summary buffer, tm does The Right Thing (at
least with Gnus).

Lutz> 5. It's only for fun : How can I see the X-Face included in news
Lutz>    or mails?

(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)

For Gnus, the t is important.  This hook function needs to be one of
the last invoked.
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Tore" == Tore Olsen <toreo@colargol.idb.hist.no> writes:

Tore> Hi,
Tore> I have never had any problems with XEmacs (19.14) on any Linux-box
Tore> until today.  When I compiled it today on a PPro with RedHat
Tore> Rembrandt, expand-file-name didn't work. (expand-file-name "~/") gives
Tore> the correct value, but (expand-file-name "~<any user>/") gives "/".

Tore> I've read the PROBLEMS-file which says that Ultrix may have problems
Tore> with this, but I'm not running Ultrix :-), and neither do I have
Tore> anything in site-init.el.

The comments there may be applicable.

Tore> XEmacs was configured with './configure' and compiled with 'make'. No
Tore> problem with that.

Tore> Any help appreciated.

Are you using NIS?  Which version of libc is Rembrandt?  Have you run
strings on the dumped binary to see if there is something that looks
suspiciously like a stored passwd file?

I don't know what else to say.  I've looked over the relevant code
from libc 5.2, 5.3 and 5.4 and don't see anything obvious, other than
the fact that the Ultrix comments you refer to above look like they
apply to Linux with one of the later ELF libs.
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From: Alexander Kjeldaas <astor@lucifer.guardian.no>
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Subject: Re: Q: Color for C/C++ programming...
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hyunchon@Glue.umd.edu (Hyun Chong Kim) writes:

> Is there any way you can make emacs behave like borland C++ IDE color
> scheme, when you program C/C++?
> 
> Say, display string as blue, integer as red, and/or comment as green, etc.
> 
> If there is, could you tell me how or where I can look to find out?
> Thank you.

Open a new xemacs session. Load your c++ file. Turn on font-lock-mode
using either M-x font-lock-mode or under
Options->Syntax-Hightlighting. Then select Options->Edit-Faces.. to
change the colors of the faces. Save the new configuration using
Options->Save-Options.

astor

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Hyun Chong Kim (hyunchon@Glue.umd.edu) wrote:
> Is there any way you can make emacs behave like borland C++ IDE color
> scheme, when you program C/C++?

M-x edit-faces, and look for font-lock-* faces.

-- 
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One of our AIX machines here had its OS re-installed and since then
XEmacs 19.14 refuses to run. The same executable (NFS-mounted) does
work on another 3.2.5 machine.
Typing 'oslevel' on both machines says '<>3250'.

Here what happens on the bad machine:

Could not load program /p/contrib/Xemacs-19.14/bin/rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5/xemacs 
Symbol smsendbuff in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smgetbuff in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smselect in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smwait in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smfreebuff in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smrcvbuff in tcsh is undefined
Symbol smsocket in tcsh is undefined
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Error was: Exec format error


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When compiling Xemacs 19.14 under Linux, I get many errors like the following:

redisplay-tty.o: In function `init_tty_for_redisplay':
/xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay-tty.c:1221: undefined reference to `tgetflag'

Also undefined references to tgetnum, tgetstr, tputs, tgoto, etc.

These errors occur during linkage in the files redisplay-tty.o and cm.o.
I found that the functions are defined in termcap.c, but they aren't declared
in any header file.  They are declared with extern in redisplay-tty.c and cm.c.

Does anyone know why I'm getting these errors and how to correct them?

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Hello,
I often work with files which change during my Xemacs-session,
so I would like to have a function like "reload-buffer", which
executes the C-x C-f and answers the question with yes.

Who could send me the required lisp-code ????

Many Tanks in advance
Jens

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Jens Goetz writes:
 > Hello,
 > I often work with files which change during my Xemacs-session,
 > so I would like to have a function like "reload-buffer", which
 > executes the C-x C-f and answers the question with yes.
 > 
 > Who could send me the required lisp-code ????
 > 

Try looking at revert-buffer to determine if this'll provide the
functionality you require.  If you really don't want do be prompted
for confirmation (and this is *really* dangerous!), you'll need to
wrap this, something like:

       (defun revert-buffer-no-confirm ()
         "Revert current buffer to copy on disk without prompting user."
         (interactive)
         (revert-buffer t t))

and then map this to a key (in this case F3) like:

       (global-set-key 'f3 'revert-buffer-no-confirm)

Hope this helps!

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Resizing minibuffer
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:17:07 -0700
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I've worked a while now with the resize-minibuffer-mode that dynamically
resizes the minibuffer window if the text you enter is too long to fit
in one line.

What I would like to have is a mode/advice that works the same way for
all the messages on gets. Is there anything out there or should I start
warming up all my lisp knowledge an try for myself?

TIA,
Thomas
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From: Ted Slater <slater@gcg.com>
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Subject: Re: Indentation in cc-mode
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Jim Lekas wrote:
> 
> Zhenghao Yeh wrote:
> >
> > Hi! There,
> >
> > I have a habit to write code like this:
> >
> > while (true)
> > {
> >   do something;
> >   ... ;
> > }

[deletia]

I like that style, too (most Macintosh programmers code that way, I
think). Here's what's been working for me. Add this to your .emacs (btw,
"tms" are my initials; use whatever you want there):

(defun my-c-style ()
  (if (not (assoc "tms" c-style-alist))
      (setq c-style-alist
            (append c-style-alist
                    '(("tms"
                       (c-recognize-knr-p . nil)
                       (c-basic-offset . 2)
                       (c-comment-only-line-offset . 0)
                       (c-hanging-braces-alist .
                                               ((substatement-open
before after)))
                       (c-offsets-alist . ((topmost-intro        . 0)
                                           (topmost-intro-cont   . 0)
                                           (substatement         . +)
                                           (substatement-open    . 0)
					   (block-open           . -)
                                           (statement-cont       . +)
                                           (statement-case-intro . 0)
                                           (case-label           . +)
                                           (access-label         . -)
                                           (inclass              . +)
                                           (inline-open          . 0)
                                           )))))))
  (c-set-style "tms"))

(add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'my-c-style)

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Subject: Re: Bug in gdbsrc?
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Steven L Baur wrote:
> 
> [Emailed and posted]
> >>>>> "Lars" == Lars Hecking <lhecking@nmrc.ucc.ie> writes:
> 
> Lars> I'm getting the same msg as Anders, but I can proceed with no
> Lars> problems.  Exiting gdbsrc-mode and restarting it again (in the
> Lars> same XEmacs) is just fine. And, yes, M-x gdb by it's own work
> Lars> fine with no err msgs.  This is 19.14 on SunOS4.1.3_U1.

Same for me here, 19.14 + DEC ALPHA OSF3.2

> I still cannot duplicate this.  However, would you please try this
> patch to gdbsrc.el and see if it fixes things?

Yes & thanks, that looks a lot better.

Thomas
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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Wishlist for 19.15...
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Would it be a major task to scan all the distributed *.el files for the
changes that need to be done there (esp. look for obsolete functions)
and build *.elc's that compile without complaining about this & that?
Mmh... could that be done with etags & tags-replace? 

I know it might be dull work but otherwise we all have to do for each
file we edit/patch...

Just a thought,
Thomas

(I know, I should volunteer for that work and not complain - but maybe
there is already someone working on it. If not, I can still think about
doing it...)
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Try M-x revert-buffer to reload it from disk

Chris McMahan


Jens Goetz writes:
 > Hello,
 > I often work with files which change during my Xemacs-session,
 > so I would like to have a function like "reload-buffer", which
 > executes the C-x C-f and answers the question with yes.
 > 
 > Who could send me the required lisp-code ????
 > 
 > Many Tanks in advance
 > Jens


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From: johnson@dtc.hp.com (Phil Johnson)
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Subject: Re: Build problems of xemacs 19.14 on HP 10.01
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roobik mesesrkhani <meserkh@stud.fh-frankfurt.de> writes:

> You are missing the Xmu  - Library (libXmu.a), which is not part of
> HPUX. Try to get obe of an linux-distribution.

libXmu.a is included with HP-UX, as part of the optional X11/Motif
development kit.  It's found under /usr/contrib/X11R5/.

------------
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From: Gael MARZIOU <gael@gnlab027.grenoble.hp.com>
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Subject: patch for compile.el 19.14
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Hi,

I have problems with compile.el from 19.14 while I haven't with 19.13, it
is not able to open the file where the error occured, I ran it under
elisp debugger and found that file-exist-p was having problem with
filename containing quotes like "\"my_file.c\"" so I made the following
little patch which works for me but I'm not sure this is a long term
patch that should be included in official version, I don't even know how
to submit a patch.
I have encountered this problem when compiling with cc of HP-UX 10.20.
However, here is my patch appended below.

Gael

---------------------  compile.el patch begins here  ----------------
*** /opt/hp/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/compile.el	Wed Jun 19 03:22:05 1996
--- /opt/hp/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/compile.el	Tue Oct 15 14:14:16 1996
***************
*** 1349,1354 ****
--- 1349,1365 ----
    (or formats (setq formats '("%s")))
    (let ((dirs compilation-search-path)
  	buffer thisdir fmts name)
+     ;; Gael Marziou
+     ;; Fixes a problem (bug?) when filename is this form: "\"my_file.c\""
+     ;; It seems that these \" cause trouble to file-exists-p
+     ;; So remove them
+     (setq filename (mapconcat
+                     (function char-to-string)
+                     (delete '34
+                             (mapcar
+                              (function identity)
+                              filename))
+                     ""))
      (if (file-name-absolute-p filename)
  	;; The file name is absolute.  Use its explicit directory as
  	;; the first in the search path, and strip it from FILENAME.

---------------------  compile.el patch ends here    ----------------

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i was successful in installing xemacs-19.14 on Untrix 4.2a!!

but with some effort.

1) the problem with extern int my_data in src/emacs.c

	the linker complains about relocation entry and tells us to 
recompile with -G option.

	i  got a patch from Erik Magnuson [erik@sulu.FL.ENSCO.COM] to work 
around this problem, basically:

	edit emacs.c line:1624 to extern char my_data[27];

Recompiling xemacs lead to the second problem:

2) mmap and realloc had problems, emacs was complaining "Memory exhausted"

	the trick is to
 edit src/config.h,  undefine HAVE_MMAP and REL_ALLOC 
and define SYSYEM_MALLOC 1 in src/ultrix-xxx.h

recompiling,  did get me a working xemacs!


hope this helps


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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Are you using NIS?  Which version of libc is Rembrandt?  Have you run
> strings on the dumped binary to see if there is something that looks
> suspiciously like a stored passwd file?

I'm not running NIS, but I do have shadow. The libc is 5.3.12.
I can't see any passwd-like in the binary, no.

> I don't know what else to say.  I've looked over the relevant code
> from libc 5.2, 5.3 and 5.4 and don't see anything obvious, other than
> the fact that the Ultrix comments you refer to above look like they
> apply to Linux with one of the later ELF libs.

Of course I got it to work on another system that looks pretty
identical except for the shadow. But I can't see how that could be the
problem. *sigh* Maybe I should try GNU Emacs to see if that works.
If so, that might help pinpoint the problem.

-Toreo

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From: valdis@black-ice.cc.vt.edu (Valdis Kletnieks)
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[Posted and mailed]

In article <9610150916.AA20113@piccard.ddddf.com>,
	"Amir J. Katz" <amir@piccard.ddddf.com> writes:
> One of our AIX machines here had its OS re-installed and since then
> XEmacs 19.14 refuses to run. The same executable (NFS-mounted) does
> work on another 3.2.5 machine.
> Typing 'oslevel' on both machines says '<>3250'.
> 
> Could not load program /p/contrib/Xemacs-19.14/bin/rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5/xemacs 
> Error was: Exec format error

I suspect that what happened was after you re-installed it, it was
unable to find a shared library.  The symbols in question are located
in /usr/lib/libX11.a.  I would suggest doing the following on the
broken machine, and the machine that works:

lslpp -L | grep X11

And see what you need to do to get "up to level" on the broken machine.
The specific symbols you name, and the fact that oslevel reports some
components at less than 3.2.5, indicates that you are missing the PTF that
adds the "shared memory transport" feature to the X server and libraries.

I'd recommend you get the machine up ti 3.2.5.1 at least, that fixes a LOT
of problems...

-- 
				Valdis Kletnieks
				Computer Systems Engineer
				Virginia Tech

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From: Sam Falkner <samf@steel.central.sun.com>
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Subject: conflict between cc-mode and crypt++
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i don't know if this is a problem with cc-mode, crypt++, or `outline
stuff' in general.

 xemacs: 19.14
cc-mode:  4.282
crypt++:  2.82

background:

    i want to edit a file that usually lives on a dos box.  usually,
    crypt++'s `dos mode' will do exactly what i want.  it auto-detects
    the annoying ^M's at the end of each line, decides it's a dos
    thing, and squelches them out until you're ready to write.

problem:

    when the buffer slips into c-mode (which it does because the file
    ends with `.c'), crypt++ seems unable to detect the ^M's.  i get a
    `doublespaced' file.

    debugging further, it seems that by the time crypt++ looks at the
    file, the ^M's have somehow been converted to \n's (ordinary
    newlines).

sick workaround:

    i made a copy of cc-mode.el ahead of the normal one in my load
    path.  in the function c-common-init, i took out the setq-ing of
    outline-regexp.  when i did this, things started to work again.

i don't really understand what outline-regexp does, or how its
definition in cc-mode's c-common-init would change ^M's to \n's.

i've never tried outline-ish things in cc-mode.  but i'm sure i'm
probably disabling something that i'll want to use someday!  ;-)

any ideas on how this should be fixed `for real'?  i suspect it'll be
in the outline machinery or cc-mode, and not in crypt++, since it
seems to me that crypt++ never has a chance to `see' the ^M's.

let me know if i can provide more info, or debugging, or whatever.

thanks!

- sam

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ShashiK (sashik@bartok.mgh.harvard.edu) wrote:
> i was successful in installing xemacs-19.14 on Untrix 4.2a!!
> 
> but with some effort.
> 
> 1) the problem with extern int my_data in src/emacs.c
> 
> 	the linker complains about relocation entry and tells us to 
> recompile with -G option.
> 
> 	i  got a patch from Erik Magnuson [erik@sulu.FL.ENSCO.COM] to work 
> around this problem, basically:
> 
> 	edit emacs.c line:1624 to extern char my_data[27];
                                                      ^^^^
If I counted number of characters of my_data in lastfile.c, this
should be 30.

> Recompiling xemacs lead to the second problem:
> 
> 2) mmap and realloc had problems, emacs was complaining "Memory exhausted"
> 
> 	the trick is to
>  edit src/config.h,  undefine HAVE_MMAP and REL_ALLOC 
> and define SYSYEM_MALLOC 1 in src/ultrix-xxx.h
> 
> recompiling,  did get me a working xemacs!

Well, I did all that. It still crashes under X, but it works now in
tty mode.

-- 
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                           e-mail: alex@srce.hr
================================ooooO=Ooooo==============================
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From: pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com (Prasad Deshpande)
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Hi,

   TAGS file which I use is quite big (~1300 K). Xemacs takes ages to make
tags completion table. Is there a way to save this tags completion table?
So if I quit and restart xemacs, the tags completion table need not be 
remade.

thanks,

prasad

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From: Mikko Laukkanen <mtl5777@nowhere.lnet.lut.fi>
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How can I define the frame size that vm uses? Now, as vm starts, it opens a
way too large frame for itself. Is there a way to customize frame sizes for
different applications, so that emacs itself could use a different frame
size whereas vm and for example gnus could use a size that is more propiate
for them?

-- 
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Lutz Kittler <kittler@sse-erfurt.de> writes:

> 5. It's only for fun : How can I see the X-Face included in news or mails?

Not sure about tm, but with a recent Gnus you should be able to get
them with:

(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)

Hans

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I'd bet it's because the next event is a <delete window> event, so
``^H-k'' returns (delete-frame ...) (try it with using the window
managers's menus).

--pete

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From: kencham@cs.umn.edu (deepak r. kenchammana-hosekote)
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Subject: Separate window for minibuffer?
Date: 15 Oct 1996 22:04:39 GMT
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Hi,

    The same .emacs that worked fine on one xemacs installation
(19.14) seems to make a separate frame/window for the minibuffer in
another installation. How do I turn off the extra window and get the
minibuffer to be within the main emacs window?

    Thanks!

\d.

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For example, if I'm in a buffer and decide to rm the file, what (other
than dired) is the most efficient way to kill it.  I find myself
frequently visiting files and wanting to perform shell functions on them
(changing permissions, etc).  To do this I usually do 'Esc-! rm
filename'.  Any better suggestions? 
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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

Thomas> Would it be a major task to scan all the distributed *.el
Thomas> files for the changes that need to be done there (esp. look
Thomas> for obsolete functions) and build *.elc's that compile without
Thomas> complaining about this & that?

Yes and no.  It really wouldn't take too long compared to other items
that have been wished for.

Thomas> Mmh... could that be done with etags & tags-replace? 

Thomas> I know it might be dull work but otherwise we all have to do
Thomas> for each file we edit/patch...

Thomas> Just a thought,
Thomas> Thomas

Thomas> (I know, I should volunteer for that work and not complain -
Thomas> but maybe there is already someone working on it. If not, I
Thomas> can still think about doing it...)

[Speaking now as the person who has been through the entire lisp/*
directories and updating them with Emacs 19.34 changes].

Here's why it won't happen.  There are a great number of files that
are maintained in synch with the corresponding file in GNU Emacs.
Every unnecessary change results in more time down the road
maintaining the code.  Nearly all of the warnings you are referring to
comes from code originally for GNU Emacs and using its functions.  The
cost of changing many of the obsolete function calls would be
resulting code unique to XEmacs.

In short, it works the way it is, and the bytecompiler complaints can
be safely ignored.  New code, of course, should respect the updated
definitions.

Note:  This statement applies only to common code between GNU Emacs
and XEmacs.  There's no reason not to do this to modules which are
strictly unique to XEmacs, but how many of them generate warnings?
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>>>>> "J" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:
>>>>> "des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> You're running olwm, which interprets Meta-Q as 'Delete Window' before
Des> xemacs gets to see it. The workaround (quoted straight from the olwm
Des> manual page) is to put:

Des> olwm.Client.Emacs.MenuAccelerators: false

J> This is it!  Thanks for all the advice.

Good.  That's one down.  I'm convinced the other person who reported
this problem has a similar situation, but we'll see.
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>>>>> "Frossie" == Frossie  <frossie@pa.jach.hawaii.edu> writes:

Frossie> When one starts up HTML mode it usefully sets up a "header"
Frossie> and "footer" for the document. Are these configurable ? Our
Frossie> organisation enforces a style for official web pages so
Frossie> automatically including it would be incredibly useful to the
Frossie> html-naive users.

This is emacs so there are multiple ways to do this.

Take a look at the autoinsert package in lisp/packages.

If you're using wingpsgml, take a look at the
html-helper-new-buffer-template variable.

html-helper-new-buffer-template's value is [deleted]
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*Template for new buffers.
Inserted by `html-helper-insert-new-buffer-strings' if
`html-helper-build-new-buffer' is set to t


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>>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Wiedenhoeft <wiedenho@sol1.cs.wisc.edu> writes:

Kurt> When compiling Xemacs 19.14 under Linux, I get many errors like
Kurt> the following:

What version of libc, termcap, and ncurses are you using?  I suspect a
misinstallation.  There are many possible configurations on Linux ...

I have tested with libc-5.3 and libc-5.4, libtermcap-2.0.8, and
libncurses-1.9.9e.  The later versions of ncurses install directly
into /usr/include, (I made a local change to put symbolic links into
/usr/include/ncurses, this makes a lot of programs happier).

It would also be helpful to see the options you gave configure.

Kurt> redisplay-tty.o: In function `init_tty_for_redisplay':
Kurt> /xemacs-19.14/src/redisplay-tty.c:1221: undefined reference to `tgetflag'

Kurt> Also undefined references to tgetnum, tgetstr, tputs, tgoto, etc.

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I have my own C/C++ coding style by typing following command in XEmacs 19.14
when editing C/C++ file:

M-x c-set-style stroustrup
M-x c-set-offset case-label 4

Does anyone know how to put these two lines in my ~/.emacs so that I don't
have to type them whenever editing a C/C++ file ?

Thanks
James


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Jason McLaren wrote:
> For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled on a
> mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

The xemacs-19_13-ultrix-4_4.patch :
	 <http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>
suggests configuring with -rel-alloc=no as there seems to be a problem
with the relocating-allocator under Ultrix, might be the same for
XEmacs 19.14.

Doug.

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version)
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Rob Altenburg
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>>>>> "Tore" == Tore Olsen <toreo@colargol.idb.hist.no> writes:

Tore> I'm not running NIS, but I do have shadow. The libc is 5.3.12.
Tore> I can't see any passwd-like in the binary, no.

And you built the binary with `./configure; make'?  What happens if you
link with -lshadow?  It doesn't look like there is a flag to set extra
libraries so edit src/Makefile so that the shadow password library
appears before `-lc'.

IIRC programs attempting to read the password file directly (as you
have built XEmacs to do) lose in a shadow password environment.
-- 
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Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Daniel Schepler <daniel@shep13.wustl.edu>
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When I compile XEmacs 19.14 with Motif dialog support, strange things
start happening.  First, on some redraws, the border of the frame
(beyond the windows, scrollbars, modelines, etc.) is drawn as gray,
instead of the black which I set in ~/.Xresources.  Typing C-l will
clear this up, and simply typing into a buffer clears it up bit by
bit.

Also, when I use make-frame-on-display (via gnudoit), the menus fail
to appear on the second display.  Also, first a few messages like

xemacs-19.14-motif: X Error of failed request:  BadFont (invalid Font parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  55 (X_CreateGC)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x400016
  Serial number of failed request:  150
  Current serial number in output stream:  155

appear, followed by lots of messages like

xemacs-19.14-motif: X Error of failed request:  BadGC (invalid GC parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  69 (X_FillPoly)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x400015
  Serial number of failed request:  200
  Current serial number in output stream:  276

These continue to appear as redisplays occur.

I recompiled XEmacs, adding just --with-dialogs=athena to the
./configure command line, and these two problems disappeared.  This is
fine with me, since I rarely actually use the dialogs, but I thought I
should report this bug.  (System is Linux 2.0.22, libc 5.4.7 -- though
the same thing happens with 5.3.12.)
-- 
Daniel Schepler                      The yellow submarine in a tub
daniel@frobnitz.wustl.edu            hiccupped as it slowly processed
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From: Mikko Laukkanen <mtl5777@nowhere.lnet.lut.fi>
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How can I define the frame size that vm uses? Now, as vm starts, it opens a
way too large frame for itself. Is there a way to customize frame sizes for
different applications, so that emacs itself could use a different frame
size whereas vm and for example gnus could use a size that is more propiate
for them?

-- 
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Amir J. Katz wrote:
> 
> One of our AIX machines here had its OS re-installed and since then
> XEmacs 19.14 refuses to run. The same executable (NFS-mounted) does
> work on another 3.2.5 machine.
> Typing 'oslevel' on both machines says '<>3250'.
> 
> Here what happens on the bad machine:
> 
> Could not load program /p/contrib/Xemacs-19.14/bin/rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5/xemacs
> Symbol smsendbuff in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smgetbuff in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smselect in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smwait in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smfreebuff in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smrcvbuff in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smsocket in tcsh is undefined
> Symbol smconnect in tcsh is undefined
> Error was: Exec format error
> 
If I remember correctly, these functions are in /usr/lib/libX11.a. Try
to compare this library on the two machines e.g., with 'nm libX11.a|grep
smwait' .
Or, your $LIBPATH is not correct.

U. Meyer
> --
> /* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
> /* EagleEye Control Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                  */
> /* .. I busted a mirror and got seven years bad luck, but my        ..*/
> /* .. lawyer thinks he can get me five.        (Steven Wright)      ..*/

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I'd like to enable the Fortran abbrevs (which start with ;) since they
do not seem to be active by default (the LaTeX abbrevs, with prefix `, 
are, instead). Can anybody tell me what I have to set for this?

I have a second question: I'd like to let the control-Q key act like
control-G (keyboard-quit) within all search modes (i.e., not only in
isearch as I am doing now, but also in Fortran-iSeArCh and similar 
submodes which pop up sometimes (I haven't found out exactly when and
why)) and, if possible, also to quit the minibuffer while prompting
for a file name (e.g., in find-file) and similar tasks.

Thank you

R. Badii

Paul Scherrer institute
5232 Villigen, CH
badii @ psi.ch

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
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Mikko Laukkanen <mtl5777@nowhere.lnet.lut.fi> writes:

> 
> How can I define the frame size that vm uses? Now, as vm starts, it opens=
 a
> way too large frame for itself.

Check the variable vm-frame-parameter-alist. I use the following setting:

 (setq vm-frame-parameter-alist
    '((composition ((top . 185) (left . 265) (width . 100) (height . 36)))
      (edit ((top . 185) (left . 265) (width . 100) (height . 36)))
      (primary-folder ((top . 75) (left . 175) (width . 100) (height . 40))=
)
      (folder ((top . 85) (left . 185) (width . 100) (height . 40)))
      (summary ((top . 1) (left . 250) (width . 100) (height . 11)))))

/Anders

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From: Merten Stroetzel <merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>
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Hi,

can anyone tell me how to get rid of some auto-replacements
which the xemacs does to my latex ( *.tex ) documents?

Wenn I type "a  I get ''a , but I dont want that!

Thanks,  Merten

________________________________________________________________

  merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
________________________________________________________________

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>>>>> Carter Sanders writes:

  Carter> For example, if I'm in a buffer and decide to rm the file,
  Carter> what (other than dired) is the most efficient way to kill
  Carter> it.

M-x delete-file RET foo RET

kai
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From: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn)
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Date: 16 Oct 1996 04:53:47 GMT
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Hello,

Is there a way to have Xemacs automatically start up in Viper mode?
(Please, no vi vs. emacs flames)

Thanks in advance,
Dave.
--
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From: "Karlheinz Nolte" <Karlheinz.Nolte@ks.sel.alcatel.de>
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Hi all,

In Germany was changed the rules for the daylight saving time. Formerly,
the DST ends on the last sunday in september, since this year, the DST
ends on the last sunday in october. We received a patch for the OS 
(Digital UNIX 3.2D), which corrects the zoneinfo files. Now the 'date'
command shows the right time, but in the statusline of XEmacs 19.14, the
clock loses one hour. Example:

$ date
Wed Oct 16 11:21:02 MET DST 1996

but XEmacs shows: 10:21

I think, XEmacs has its own zoneinfo files. The question is, where?

Every help is welcome.

Thanks in advance.
Karlheinz.
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Hello,

I am happily using gnuclient (as I did emacsclient before) from my 
mail, news and many other programs. I was pleased to see that is is
now possible to use a remote server as this is often what I do,
however there is one thing I didn't figure out:

Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is accessible
localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote machine running the
server? This is the typical case when used with mail programs that
invoke gnuclient with a file in /tmp or so which of course is not
nfs-mounted on any other machine. 

If this is not possible, how aboout adding this to gnuclients 
wishlist?


Bye
Richard


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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> Tore> I'm not running NIS, but I do have shadow. The libc is 5.3.12.
> Tore> I can't see any passwd-like in the binary, no.
> 
> And you built the binary with `./configure; make'?  What happens if you
> link with -lshadow?  It doesn't look like there is a flag to set extra
> libraries so edit src/Makefile so that the shadow password library
> appears before `-lc'.

No difference. I can't see how that would make a difference, since
XEmacs doesn't need to check the passwords, and the other fields are
the same as a standard passwd. Thanks anyways.

-Toreo
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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
To: xemacs@xemacs.org
Subject: Bug Report - VM opening a window crashes XEmacs
Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.01.

-- 
  When I first installed XEmacs, I was having trouble with VM crashing
it whenever I'd open a 'R' reply window.  The debugger revealed it to
be a null pointer dereference somewhere in the gui codes, if I
recall...

(This is a snip I saved a while back)
-----------------------
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x400c65b4 in lwlib_does_not_use_motif_1_2 ()
---------------------------------

  Everyone said that it was a RAM error, since, during that same
period of time, gcc kept quitting during kernel compilation.  I
disagreed, but all the experts said it was RAM.  But, after upgrading
from kernel 2.0.0 to 2.0.6, the compilation problem went away.  Same
RAM, newer kernel, no sig SEGV.

  Now, I can compile a kernel, and there are no errors.  Everything
seems fine.  ViewMail, in XEmacs 19.14, runs fine most of the time,
but occasionally crashes XEmacs when I press 'R' for a quoted reply,
or the Visit button to look at another folder.  I think it is where it
tries to display a VM toolbar; the one on the left.

  It works fine all day, then sometimes it works once, then the next
time it crashes.  I've gotten in the habit of pressing 'S' before I
press 'R'.  It may be that it occurs more often when my load average
is higher.  Someday, I will learn to use a debugger.

bash$ ldd $(which xemacs)
	libXaw.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXaw.so.6
	libcompface.so => /usr/local/lib/libcompface.so
	libjpeg.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6.0
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libSM.so.6.0
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libICE.so.6.0
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXext.so.6.1
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so.6.1
	libncurses.so.3.0 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0
	libgdbm.so.2 => /lib/libgdbm.so.2.0.0
	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.4.7

 The libc is straight out of the binary package on tsx11, as far as I
can remember. (It may have been sunsite.unc.edu though.)

bash$ cat /proc/meminfo
        total:    used:    free:  shared: buffers:  cached:
Mem:  40071168 39464960   606208 22974464  7049216  9338880
Swap: 34025472    69632 33955840
MemTotal:     39132 kB
MemFree:        592 kB
MemShared:    22436 kB
Buffers:       6884 kB
Cached:        9120 kB
SwapTotal:    33228 kB
SwapFree:     33160 kB

bash$ uname -a
Linux cherryflower 2.0.21 #3 Tue Sep 24 04:09:37 PDT 1996 i486

(send this to any it may concern.)
--
Karl M. Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com>
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From: slorie@hzsbc197.ns-nl.att.com (04133-lorie)
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Hi,

I am a little bit hesitant to download the huge amount sources in
order  to get XEmacs running on my Linux box. So I wonder if XEmacs is
available on CD-ROM ? (preferable a copy of all relevant source files
from [ftp.xemacs.org]/pub/xemacs).

Thanks,
             /
Stephen Lorie


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My system for some reason sets the reply-to address to my local machine instead of my 
mail server. Anyone know how to change this?
-- 
**********************************************************************
*  John Taylor   Senior Software Engineer                            *
*  Company:      TekSci/Motorola                                     *
*  E-Mail:       taylor_j@sat.mot.com                                *
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>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Ware <ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:

Pete> I'd bet it's because the next event is a <delete window> event,
Pete> so ``^H-k'' returns (delete-frame ...) (try it with using the
Pete> window managers's menus).

:-)  A brilliant suggestion:

C-h k [Quit from the olvwm window manager menu]
(delete-frame #<x-frame "emacs" 0x8b2> t):

delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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this seems like a good suggestion.  wouldn't it be nice if one could 
run any arbitrary shell command on the file one is visiting?  I guess
it would look like this:

(defun my-cmd-on-current-file (arg)
   (interactive "sCommand? ")
   (shell-command (concat arg " " (buffer-file-name (current-buffer)))))

Lyn



Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

> 
> >>>>> Carter Sanders writes:
> 
>   Carter> For example, if I'm in a buffer and decide to rm the file,
>   Carter> what (other than dired) is the most efficient way to kill
>   Carter> it.
> 
> M-x delete-file RET foo RET
> 
> kai
> -- 
> Life is hard and then you die.
> 

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From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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>>>>> "SF" == Sam Falkner <samf@steel.central.sun.com> writes:

    SF> i made a copy of cc-mode.el ahead of the normal one in my load
    SF> path.  in the function c-common-init, i took out the setq-ing
    SF> of outline-regexp.  when i did this, things started to work
    SF> again.

I don't use outline-minor-mode so I don't know what outline-regexp is
used for.  This change was given to me.  Here's my RCS entry for that
change:

----------------------------
revision 4.219
date: 1995/05/30 23:11:57;  author: bwarsaw;  state: Exp;  lines: +13 -4
(c-outline-level): new function.

(c-common-init): compatibility with outline-minor-mode.  Given by Per
Abrahamsen <abraham@iesd.auc.dk>
----------------------------

    SF> any ideas on how this should be fixed `for real'?  i suspect
    SF> it'll be in the outline machinery or cc-mode, and not in
    SF> crypt++, since it seems to me that crypt++ never has a chance
    SF> to `see' the ^M's.

You could just add this to your c-mode-common-hook:

    (setq outline-regexp "[*]+")

The value is taken from what appears to be outline-regexp's default
value.

If someone can give me a better value for cc-mode's outline-regexp,
I'll make that change.

-Barry

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I have default file header for .c, .h and .cxx. Can I put those files
in somewhere so that they will be loaded automatically wheneven I starting
a new .c, .h or .cxx file? How to set ~/.emacs ?

Thanks,
James


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When I use pretty-print with color to print highlighted code, the
color characters come out with a color background that matches my
screen.  The only way I have found to fix this is to have a white
background.  There must be a better way.

John Mann

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>>>>> "JT" == James Tang <jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

    JT> I have my own C/C++ coding style by typing following command
    JT> in XEmacs 19.14 when editing C/C++ file:

    JT> M-x c-set-style stroustrup
    JT> M-x c-set-offset case-label 4

    JT> Does anyone know how to put these two lines in my ~/.emacs so
    JT> that I don't have to type them whenever editing a C/C++ file ?

The cc-mode manual describes this in more detail, but a first shot
might be:

(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (c-set-style "stroustrup")
  (c-set-offset 'case-label 4))
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

-Barry

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From: Gary Ebert <gary@www.rdss.com>
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Hello all,
	First let me say that I'm not an expert at setting up emacs. I am
having trouble getting ispell to load properly.  I have ispell.el and
ispell.elc in my /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ directory
but I seem to be unabel to use it.  Every time I use the menu to spell
check the documents I'm editing emacs responds with "Searching for
program: no such file or directory, ispell".  I have run dired on
/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ and then ran
update-directory-autoloads.  In a fit of despiration I even copied the
loaddefs.el into my .emacs file with no luck.

Please help

	Thanks
BTW could you please e-mail me responces as well as posting b/c I don't
always get to read this group as much as I'd like to.

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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> >>>>> "Pete" == Pete Ware <ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> Pete> I'd bet it's because the next event is a <delete window> event,
> Pete> so ``^H-k'' returns (delete-frame ...) (try it with using the
> Pete> window managers's menus).
> 
> :-)  A brilliant suggestion:

Agreed! :)   Now everything is explained.  "Close" in fvwm menu also
gives (delete-frame).  Well, one never learns all XEmacs features.

BTW, the same thing fails in GNU Emacs -- the frame is just closed,
with or without C-h c.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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I've just moved to XEmacs 19.11, and I'm having some problems running
BBDB 1.51 with Gnus 4.1.3 (apparently, what came with the
distribution). BBDB is fine in Rmail, and GNUS is OK. However, when
BBDB has been hooked into GNUS any attempt to enter a group result in
complaints about a bad macro definition. Can anyone suggest a fix for
this?

Thanks for your time.


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>>>>> Phil Johnson writes:

 johnson> roobik mesesrkhani <meserkh@stud.fh-frankfurt.de> writes:
 >> You are missing the Xmu - Library (libXmu.a), which is not part of
 >> HPUX. Try to get obe of an linux-distribution.

 johnson> libXmu.a is included with HP-UX, as part of the optional
 johnson> X11/Motif development kit.  It's found under
 johnson> /usr/contrib/X11R5/.

The HP development kit will cost you about $400 or so.  It comes with
the ANSI C compiler (but NOT with the C++, which is how I found out
how much it costs).  If you haven't bought these compilers, get it off
the Linux, or maybe even off of the X11 distribution.  Hope you have
enough disk space.

Gary Beckmann


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Dear All,

I do a lot of coding on remote machines on other campus
networks, and ange-ftp is really invaluable for me !
However, I really miss gdb on X(EmacS). 

Compiling is a problem too, however I managed that by changing
the compile-command to use an rsh to execute in the remote
machine a script that changes to the right directory and runs
make. Worked fine for me .. however I could not try something
similar with gdb because although I tried changing the
gdb-command-name similarly, it tried using the rsh string as a
program instead of executing the command. It would be nice if we
can have support for execution of a debugger in a remote
machine. 

-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

BAW> If someone can give me a better value for cc-mode's outline-regexp,
BAW> I'll make that change.

There is no way any setting `outline-regexp' should give an effect
like the described, unless something else is broken.  

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From: Fergus Mixolydian <cbenson@macaw.retix.com>
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Hi. Can anyone suggest ways to usefully reduce the runtime size of
XEMACS. My session peaks at around 23 MB by the time I've started up
VM and GNUS and even quiting these programs doesn't make it shrink
much. I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5.1 on a SPARC. I compiled
with the Sun C compiler.

thanks

-c

-- 

          Like as the waves do make towards the pebbled
          shore, so do our packets hasten to their end.

      return mail to colin-benson@retix.com or cbenson@retix.com

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From: evan@cyber2.servtech.com (evan cheng)
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Subject: Viper distribution?
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Hi,

Where can I find the complete distribution of Viper, including
documentation?

Thanks,

Evan
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Subject: New MoneyMaking Method - NO MLM Involved - 5 times better then MLM
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Are you tired of seeing this:

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> BTW, the same thing fails in GNU Emacs -- the frame is just closed,
> with or without C-h c.

Well, I'd still call a very minor bug in XEmacs -- the same thing
doesn't happen for resizes, expossres, iconificaion, ...

--pete

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> Lutz> 5. It's only for fun : How can I see the X-Face included in news
> Lutz>    or mails?
> 
> (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)
> 
> For Gnus, the t is important.  This hook function needs to be one of
> the last invoked.

This approach is still not perfect, because it interferes with
'gnus-article-hide-headers. If you call 'gnus-article-display-x-face
before calling 'gnus-article-hide-headers, then the latter call will
also remove the X-Face. If you call 'gnus-article-display-x-face last,
then you will always see this cryptic X-Face: line.

I configured Gnus, so that it would usually display no more than the
From: and the Subject: line. Most of of the other header lines will
only be displayed if they contain "non-boring" information. But I
*never* actually want to see the X-Face: line. I do want to see the
X-Faces though. After some messing around, I came up with this
configuration:

    (require 'messagexmas)
    (require 'smiley)
    (setq gnus-visible-headers "^From:\\|^Newsgroups:\\|^Subject:\\|^Date:\\|^Followup-To:\\|^Reply-To:\\|^To:\\|^Cc:\\|^Posted-To:\\|^Apparently-To:\\|^Gnus-Warning:\\|^Resent-\\|^X-Face:")
    (defun gnus-article-hide-x-face ()
      "Remove the X-Face: header"
      (interactive)
      (gnus-article-hide-header "x-face"))
    (setq gnus-article-display-hook
          '(gnus-smiley-display
            gnus-article-highlight
            gnus-article-highlight-citation
            gnus-article-date-local
            gnus-article-treat-overstrike
            gnus-article-remove-cr
            gnus-article-remove-trailing-blank-lines
            gnus-article-de-quoted-unreadable
            gnus-article-add-buttons
            gnus-article-add-buttons-to-head
            gnus-article-hide-headers
            gnus-article-display-x-face
            gnus-article-hide-boring-headers
            gnus-article-hide-x-face))
    (setq gnus-boring-article-headers '(empty newsgroups followup-to
                                        reply-to date))

Maybe, this code is helpful to others.


Markus


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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!
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Pete Ware (ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > BTW, the same thing fails in GNU Emacs -- the frame is just closed,
> > with or without C-h c.
> Well, I'd still call a very minor bug in XEmacs -- the same thing
> doesn't happen for resizes, expossres, iconificaion, ...

True.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.  
It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

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Pete Ware (ware@calico.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > BTW, the same thing fails in GNU Emacs -- the frame is just closed,
> > with or without C-h c.
> Well, I'd still call a very minor bug in XEmacs -- the same thing
> doesn't happen for resizes, expossres, iconificaion, ...

True.  Iconification could have been mapped to 'iconify-frame.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with.

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Wed Oct 16 23:54:53 1996
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From: jjchoi@cherry.postech.ac.kr (Jung-Ju Choi)
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Subject: Re: Setting the reply-to address
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In article <4lcbue43ycf.fsf@chambers.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me> John Taylor <taylor_j@sat.mot.com> writes:

> My system for some reason sets the reply-to address to my local machine instead of my 
> mail server. Anyone know how to change this?

There are two ways to set default reply-to address.
1. in your ~/.emacs file,
(setq mail-default-reply-to "you@your.reply.address (Your Name)")

2. in your .cshrc file if you use csh or tcsh
setenv REPLYTO "you@your.reply.address (Your Name)")

Hope it helpful.
-- 
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From: frontier@fii.com
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Hello, 

I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
with X support.  One unifying application seems to be missing from
the standard tool reprtoire: a programming environment.  I like
using gcc, emacs, makefiles and X, but wonder if anyone out there
has seen a programming environment which allows one to bind them 
all together.  I have found one such tool, called xwpe, which models
the Borland c++ environment.  However the editor is built in and
fixed.  

Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
is a cross-group posting.

Thanks,

BRuce Sams



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Subject: Re: Meta q deletes frame!

> Well, I'd still call a very minor bug in XEmacs -- the same thing
> doesn't happen for resizes, expossres, iconificaion, ...

No.  The ICCCM specifies a mechanism for allowing an application to
override the default behaviour for the destroy-window callback in X.
I don't think this can be done for the other actions you mention.

But, since it is a mouse activated action the user should probably
be presented with an confirm dialog, in spirit with the way menu
items work.

It would be nice if the destroy-window callback behaviour was =
customizable from elisp.

--
Donald Hunter.

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Lyn A Headley <laheadle@kimbark.uchicago.edu> writes:

> this seems like a good suggestion.  wouldn't it be nice if one could 
> run any arbitrary shell command on the file one is visiting?  I guess
> it would look like this:
> 
> (defun my-cmd-on-current-file (arg)
>    (interactive "sCommand? ")
>    (shell-command (concat arg " " (buffer-file-name (current-buffer)))))

This is a pretty bad idea because then what emacs thinks of what the
file is and what the file really is becomes different.  Of course you
could do an automatic revert-buffer afterwards, but in that case any
commands before executing the command are lost.  I think it more
reasonable to just use the standard mechanism of piping a buffer
through emacs.  If you goof, you can then always use undo, abandon
your edit or whatever else appropriate.  That is, to run a command on
the file use
C-x h   (this marks the whole buffer)
C-u M-|  (this pipes the buffer through a shell command and puts the
          output instead of the input in the buffer)

-- 
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I've tried to use make-regexp to speed up my font-locking a bit but
unfortunately the version I use (1.02) doesn't work with 19.14. Is here
any patch know or a newer version somewhere?



The error I get is because of too many recursive calls in make-regexp

'Variable binding depth exceeds max-specpdl-size'


I've tried to debug a bit and it seems to me that make-regexp calls
itself without changing the parameters on each call. But for my lisp
knowledge there is way too much cdr-car stuff in this function...



TIA for any hints,

Thomas

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From: root@srtb0211-a15.resnet.ubc.ca (Jeff)
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Subject: function/var completion
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ok, a friend (who lives emacs) once told me that emacs did
function/variable completion while in c-mode, apparently
this is a loaded thing?  Was he full of shit or can I get
something that will figure out function/var names and allow
me to do some sort of name completion on the fly with them?
:)
also, the same would be cool for font-locking with variables,
any variables that are my own typedefs aren't shown as vars,
obviously, since they aren't int, char, etc etc....
any way of getting emacs to recognize those to?
ctags? :>

Jeff


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From: root@srtb0211-a15.resnet.ubc.ca (Jeff)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: function/var completion
Date: 17 Oct 1996 08:45:25 GMT
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>ok, a friend (who lives emacs) once told me that emacs did
>function/variable completion while in c-mode, apparently
>this is a loaded thing?  Was he full of shit or can I get
>something that will figure out function/var names and allow
>me to do some sort of name completion on the fly with them?

aha! whilst poking away trying random key combinations (;))
I discovered that M-C-/ does name completion.....
:)

Jeff


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while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
makes my current buffer called *.c
this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?
(running 19.14 on a linux box)

Jeff



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From: jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu (John A. Eikenberry)
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Subject: Xemacs GUI disappeared?
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Hello,

I have been using xemacs for some monthes now quite happily. But just
today the strangest problem occured. It wouldn't display its GUI in
X-windows. It seems to run fine. It is listed when I do a ps and it runs
fine on the console. It ran fine last night, but today it suddenly wouldn't
open up its X display. I tried reinstalling it, I tried running it
with the display (:0.0) specifically given to it... but nothing.

Does anyone have a clue why this is happening? I am out of ideas.
BTW, I didn't change anything between last night and today. The
only thing that did happen was that I had to reboot due to a poweer outage.
But I thought reinstalling it would fix that problem (besides, fsck reports
no problems and all the other files on that partition work fine).

Please help, I use xemacs all the time and really don't like the alternatives
as much (I've gotten to really like xemacs).

Thanks in advance for any advice,

--

John Eikenberry
(jae@ai.uga.edu)
______________________________________________________________
"A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order
 will deserve neither and lose both."

					 --B. Franklin

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#########################################################
This is a reposting since our machines have been down
for a while and I don't know of the first news found its 
way out!
#########################################################
I've worked a while now with the resize-minibuffer-mode that dynamically
resizes the minibuffer window if the text you enter is too long to fit
in one line.

What I would like to have is a mode/advice that works the same way for
all the messages on gets. Is there anything out there or should I start
warming up all my lisp knowledge an try for myself?

TIA,
Thomas
-- 
Thomas Feuster                      Institut fuer theoretische Physik
feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de   Justus Liebig Universitaet Giessen
Phone: +49 641 702-2832             Heinrich-Buff-Ring 16
Fax  : +49 641 702-2868             35392 Giessen, Germany
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#########################################################
This is a reposting since our machines have been down
for a while and I don't know of the first news found its 
way out!
#########################################################
Would it be a major task to scan all the distributed *.el files for the
changes that need to be done there (esp. look for obsolete functions)
and build *.elc's that compile without complaining about this & that?
Mmh... could that be done with etags & tags-replace? 

I know it might be dull work but otherwise we all have to do for each
file we edit/patch...

Just a thought,
Thomas

(I know, I should volunteer for that work and not complain - but maybe
there is already someone working on it. If not, I can still think about
doing it...)
-- 
Thomas Feuster                      Institut fuer theoretische Physik
feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de   Justus Liebig Universitaet Giessen
Phone: +49 641 702-2832             Heinrich-Buff-Ring 16
Fax  : +49 641 702-2868             35392 Giessen, Germany
http://theorie.physik.uni-giessen.de/~feuster

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Date: 17 Oct 1996 08:33:32 GMT
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>Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
>manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to
>connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
>is a cross-group posting.

ok, I am brand new to emacs (well, to the concept of actually using
it for work), as I have been a diehard VI fan all my life, but...

doesn't emacs do most of that already?  I mean, hit M-x compile,
and it will compile for you, you can debug with gdb in emacs
transparently, I believe it has a file manager called DIRED?
(may be wrong, just seen it briefly)...
Of course, it probably wont handle 'projects' etc etc, but overall
I find it to be quite useful for coding..

Jeff



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>>>>> "Fergus" == Fergus Mixolydian <cbenson@macaw.retix.com> writes:

 Fergus> Hi. Can anyone suggest ways to usefully reduce the runtime
 Fergus> size of XEMACS. My session peaks at around 23 MB by the time
 Fergus> I've started up VM and GNUS and even quiting these programs
 Fergus> doesn't make it shrink much. I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on
 Fergus> Solaris 2.5.1 on a SPARC. I compiled with the Sun C compiler.

As you are running 19.14 I assume that you are running Gnus 5.2.X (as
opposed to GNUS 4.X). Many newsreaders store unsubscribed newsgroups
in '.newsrc' so that, if you have a decent NNTP server, Gnus will read
(and store) thousands of names of newsgroups that you are not
interested in. Gnus memory usage will go down considerably if you
erase those groups from '.newsrc'.  You can do this either manually,
but if you do not use any other newsreaders at all, you can '(setq
gnus-save-killed-list nil)', quit Gnus and afterwards delete
'.newsrc'. Gnus will then take all the information it needs from
'.newsrc.eld', which now won't contain the list of unsubscribed ng's
anymore. To speed up startup you might want to look at the
documentation to 'gnus-read-active-file' also. New newsgroups, that is
newsgroups that are new on your NNTP server, will become "zombie"
groups that can be listed with 'A z'.

Holger

-- 
Holger Franz <hfranz@physik.rwth-aachen.de>                             

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	Great, a "how to spam email addresses" instruction book for
newbies.  Just what this world needed.  :P  Hey, strange spam man, go
away.  Go FAR away.  

Disgustedly,
Hyoun, who doesn't think that something so easy should cost 60
dollars.  Then again, I could write the same pamphlet and sell it for
20 and undercut this guy and rip off lots of newbies... nah, damn
morals are getting in the way.  shuckydarn.

--
      \_____________  "...if you allow yourself to feel    \_a___________
     \_____________  the way you really feel, maybe you   \___m___s_____
    \_____________  won't be afraid of that feeling      \_____a___a___
   \_____________  anymore."                            \_______t___i_
  \_____________                 tori amos             \_________e___
 \_____________                                       \_____________
 hyoun park '98  hjpark@amherst.edu  http://www.amherst.edu/~hjpark


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From: David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
Subject: hippy-expand.el [was Re: function/var completion]

I've mentioned this before on this newsgroup - check out the package
hippy-expand.el by Anders Holst <aho@sans.kth.se> which is one of the
most *brilliant* packages for emacs/XEmacs I have come across. I have 
used it for several years now and find it indispensable. It does word, 
file path, symbol and line expansion and can scan multiple buffers to
look for possible completions for you to cycle through in a really easy
to use way.

I don't know whether this is the latest version, but here is the header
from my copy of hippy-expand.el.

;;  LCD Archive Entry:
;;  hippie-expand|Anders Holst|aho@nada.kth.se|
;;  Expand text trying various ways to find its expansion.|
;;  3-July-95|Version 1.4|~/misc/hippie-expand.el.Z|

;;; Commentary:
;;
;;  `hippie-expand' is a single function for a lot of different kinds
;;  of completions and expansions.  Called repeatedly it tries all
;;  possible completions in succession.
;;  Which kinds of completions to try, and in which order, is
;;  determined by the contents of `hippie-expand-try-functions-list'.
;;  Much customization of `hippie-expand' can be made by changing the
;;  order of, removing, or inserting new functions in this list.
;;  Given a positive numeric argument, `hippie-expand' jumps directly
;;  ARG functions forward in this list.  Given some other argument
;;  (a negative argument or just Ctrl-U) it undoes the tried
;;  completion.
;;
;;  If the variable `hippie-expand-verbose' is non-nil, `hippie-expand'
;;  outputs in a message which try-function in the list that is used
;;  currently (ie. was used currently and will be tried first the next
;;  time).
;;  The variable `hippie-expand-max-buffers' determines in how many
;;  buffers, apart from the current, to search for expansions in.  It
;;  is used by the try-functions named "-all-buffers".
;;  The variable `hippie-expand-ignore-buffers' is a list of regexps
;;  matching buffer names (as strings) or major modes (as atoms) of
;;  buffers that should not be searched by the try-functions named
;;  "-all-buffers".
;;  See also the macro `make-hippie-expand-function' below.
;;
;;  A short description of the current try-functions in this file:
;;    `try-complete-file-name' : very convenient to have in any buffer,
;;      and not just in the minibuffer or (some) shell-mode.  It goes
;;      through all possible completions instead of just completing as
;;      much as is unique.
;;    `try-complete-file-name-partially' : To insert in the list just
;;      before `try-complete-file-name' for those who want first to get
;;      a file name completed only as many characters as is unique.
;;    `try-expand-all-abbrevs' : can be removed if you don't use abbrevs.
;;      Otherwise it looks through all abbrev-tables, starting with
;;      the local followed by the global.
;;    `try-expand-line' : Searches the buffer for an entire line that
;;      begins exactly as the current line.  Convenient sometimes, for
;;      example as a substitute for (or complement to) the history
;;      list in shell-like buffers.  At other times, only confusing.
;;    `try-expand-line-all-buffers' : Like `try-expand-line' but searches
;;      in all buffers (except the current).  (This may be a little
;;      slow, don't use it unless you are really fond of `hippie-expand'.)
;;    `try-expand-list' : Tries to expand the text back to the nearest
;;      open delimiter, to a whole list from the buffer. Convenient for
;;      example when writing lisp or TeX.
;;    `try-expand-list-all-buffers' : Like `try-expand-list' but searches
;;      in all buffers (except the current).
;;    `try-expand-dabbrev' : works exactly as dabbrev-expand (but of
;;      course in a way compatible with the other try-functions).
;;    `try-expand-dabbrev-all-buffers' : perhaps the most useful of them,
;;      like `dabbrev-expand' but searches all Emacs buffers (except the
;;      current) for matching words.  (No, I don't find this one
;;      particularly slow.)
;;    `try-expand-dabbrev-visible': Searches the currently visible parts of
;;      all windows.  Can be put before `try-expand-dabbrev-all-buffers' to
;;      first try the expansions you can see.
;;    `try-expand-dabbrev-from-kill': Searches the kill ring for a suitable
;;      completion of the word.  Good to have, just in case the word was not
;;      found elsewhere.
;;    `try-expand-whole-kill' : Tries to complete text with a whole entry
;;      from the kill ring.  May be good if you don't know how far up in
;;      the kill-ring the required entry is, and don't want to mess with
;;      "Choose Next Paste".
;;    `try-complete-lisp-symbol' : like `lisp-complete-symbol', but goes
;;      through all possibilities instead of completing what is unique.
;;      Might be tedious (usually a lot of possible completions) and
;;      since its function is much like `lisp-complete-symbol', which
;;      already has a key of its own, you might want to remove this.
;;    `try-complete-lisp-symbol-partially' : To insert in the list just
;;      before `try-complete-lisp-symbol' for those who first want to get
;;      completion of what is unique in the name.
;;
;;  Not all of the above functions are by default in
;;  `hippie-expand-try-functions-list'.  This variable is better set
;;  in ".emacs" to make `hippie-expand' behave maximally convenient
;;  according to personal taste.  Also, instead of loading the
;;  variable with all kinds of try-functions above, it might be an
;;  idea to use `make-hippie-expand-function' to construct different
;;  `hippie-expand'-like functions, with different try-lists and bound
;;  to different keys. It is also possible to make
;;  `hippie-expand-try-functions-list' a buffer local variable, and
;;  let it depend on the mode (by setting it in the mode-hooks).
;;
;;  To write new try-functions, consider the following:
;;  Each try-function takes one argument OLD which is nil the first
;;  time the function is called and true in succeeding calls for the
;;  same string to complete.  The first time the function has to
;;  extract the string before point to complete, and substitute the
;;  first completion alternative for it.  On following calls it has to
;;  substitute the next possible completion for the last tried string.
;;  The try-function is to return t as long as it finds new
;;  possible completions.  When there are no more alternatives it has
;;  to restore the text before point to its original contents, and
;;  return nil (don't beep or message or anything).
;;  The try-function can (should) use the following functions:
;;    `he-init-string' : Initializes the text to substitute to the
;;      contents of the region BEGIN to END.  Also sets the variable
;;      `he-search-string' to the text to expand.
;;    `he-substitute-string' : substitutes STR into the region
;;      initialized with `he-init-string'.  (An optional second argument
;;      TRANS-CASE non-nil, means transfer of case from the abbreviation
;;      to the expansion is ok if that is enabled in the buffer.)
;;    `he-reset-string' : Resets the initialized region to its original
;;      contents.
;;  There is also a variable: `he-tried-table' which is meant to contain
;;  all tried expansions so far.  The try-function can check this
;;  variable to see whether an expansion has already been tried
;;  (hint: `he-string-member').
                    ,,,
                   (@-@)
  +----------oOO----(_)-----------------+
  |             David Hughes            |
  |         Tel: +44 1223 423355        |
  |        dhughes@origin-at.co.uk      |
  |  Origin UK, Science Park, Cambridge |
  +------------------------oOO----------+
                  |  |  |
                  |__|__|
                   || ||
                  ooO Ooo


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I just tested mine; it works fine.  libc 5.4, no shadow passwords.

--
Karl M. Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com>
http://www.teleport.com/~karlheg
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:) Proudly running Linux 2.0.21 and GNU public software!

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root@phat.resnet.ubc.ca (Me) writes:

> while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
> makes my current buffer called *.c
> this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
> emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?
> (running 19.14 on a linux box)

Emacs let's you *not* do that.  You can call both Emacs or XEmacs with
a wildcard list in the typical environment (due to shell expansion)
and they'll let you edit a list of files.

And you can use C-x d *.c to start editing from a restricted dired
listing, which is typically what you'd prefer.

-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570


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first, i can't seem to find the following defined (only used) anywhere
in the lisp sources (19.14)

buffers-menu-filter

and the reason i'm looking for it is because i'd like to have a
special pop-up that only lists those buffers from the same
major-mode.  (this is what i do 90% of the time when switching
buffers).

i have my buffer menu configured to make sub-menus for each of the
major modes and simply need it to be this way b/c i use vm and gnus
etc etc and hence have about 14 million buffers around after a while. 

this is fine, but when i'm working on a mess of sources that are all
of the same type, i'd like to be able to switch between them quickly
wihtout having to find the appropriate submenu first.

i located this bit of elisp:

(defun my-buffers-menu (event)
  (interactive "e")
  (popup-menu-and-execute-in-window
   '("Buffers Popup Menu"
     :filter buffers-menu-filter
     ["List All Buffers" list-buffers t]
     "--"
     )
   event))

 --it used to be modeline-buffers-menu

i can bind this to a mouse key (like (control mouse3)), and it works
fine, but it lists ALL the buffers, not just those in the same group.

i assume the key here is:

	:filter buffers-menu-filter

which i'm assuming takes that mess you get from 'list-buffers' and 
makes something parsable by 'popup-menu-and-execute-in-window'.
and hence assume i need to write my own filter that filters for the
major mode i'm in... 

any suggestions here?

thanks in advance
--steve farrell

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From: Ove Svensson <emwovsv@emw.ericsson.se>
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>>>>> "JPS" == J P Shipherd <jp@nuancecom.com> writes:

    JPS> When I'm working in fundamental mode I'll sometimes set a
    JPS> fill column and then run fill-paragraph-or-region from the
    JPS> meta command line.

    JPS> This always sends up a message that tells me its mapped to
    JPS> meta-q.

    JPS> However when I try C-h, k, M-q I get:

    JPS> (delete-frame #<x-frame "VM" 0xe4a> t):

    JPS> delete-frame: an interactive built-in function.


    JPS> And guess what happens when I really type M-q!! :(

    JPS> I've tried running C-h b and it seems to think M-q is bound
    JPS> to fill-region-or-paragraph.  It really is in some modes but
    JPS> not others.  I'm certain that I'm not redefining it anywhere.
    JPS> What's happening?

    JPS> --jp

Do you have OpenLook as tour window manager? If that is tha case, M-q is
a menu accelerator. It will, by default, quit your application. 

One way to work around thsi problem is to put the following line in
your .Xdefaults file:
*Emacs*Accelerators: false

If you don't have OpenLook, then I don't know what is the problem and
how to solve it.

-- 


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To: sams@ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce Sams)
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Bruce Sams writes:
 > Hello, 
 > 
 > I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
 > with X support.
 > Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
 > manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
 > connect to emacs (or xcoral)?

   well, emacs (or better: XEmacs:) is very well connected to itself,
   has a file manager, automatically compiles (with the capability of
   jumping to syntax errors) and links your sources (that's all that
   you asked)

   moreover, it provides you a full range of tools

      - interfaces to the debugger of your choice
      - hilits code features (keywords, comments, etc)
      - indents code according to syntax and your preferences
      - jumps to symbols' definitions
      - has a nice object browser
      - interfaces to the major source code control systems, SCCS,
        RCS, and others
      - dynamic templates for new files
      - dynamic templates for common programming constructs
      ... and much more ...

   hth,
                                                                gb

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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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Hi there !

If memory still serves me there has been a discussion
here about the interaction of vm and mailcrypt in 19.14.
Well, at last I did get it to work yesterday but had to
turn several macros in vm-misc into defuns. This is 
certainly not the way to do it. So, my question is:
are there more bugs anywhere which I haven't encountered
yet and if yes, is there somewhere a patch to them ?

And the last question: how comes nobody noticed the errors
before they put it out ?


Holger

-- 
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   mail_address("Holger.Schauer@gmd.de"),
   project("BGP-MS/AVANTI, GMD Sankt Augustin, FIT.MMK"),
   www_home_page("http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~schauer/index.html").

(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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Gary Beckmann wrote:
> 
> >>>>> Phil Johnson writes:
> 
>  johnson> roobik mesesrkhani <meserkh@stud.fh-frankfurt.de> writes:
>  >> You are missing the Xmu - Library (libXmu.a), which is not part of
>  >> HPUX. Try to get obe of an linux-distribution.
> 
>  johnson> libXmu.a is included with HP-UX, as part of the optional
>  johnson> X11/Motif development kit.  It's found under
>  johnson> /usr/contrib/X11R5/.
> 
> The HP development kit will cost you about $400 or so.  It comes with
> the ANSI C compiler (but NOT with the C++, which is how I found out
> how much it costs).  If you haven't bought these compilers, get it off
> the Linux, or maybe even off of the X11 distribution.  Hope you have
> enough disk space.
> 
> Gary Beckmann

You can also get libXmu/libXaw in a patch available from HP Support's
web site http://support.mayfield.hp.com

Go to Browse Patches and then Retrieve a Specific Patch & get patch
PHSS_6202 (for s700_800 10.0X).

Hal

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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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Subject: Path-name abbrev possible ?
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Hi !

What I really like about cmulisp is it's ability to
define so called search-lists for often used paths.
It looks like this:

(setf (search-list "emacs:") "/usr/lib/emacs")

>From now on every file operation can use this prefix:

(load "emacs:my-file") to load my-file.lisp from the
path /usr/lib/emacs.
I think it would be really nice to have such a feature
in emacs, so that when you get asked for a file one
could use such abbreviations, i.e. C-xC-f emacs:my-file.el.

Well, this isn't exactly emacs-stylish, but it would be nice
to have such a possibility. Has anybody done such a package ?
Another possibility of course would be to have abbreviation
(as provided by the abbrev-package) in the
minibuffer when asked for a file-name. I don't know if this
is possible, but if it is, could somebody tell me how ?


Holger

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Hi Folks,

We have number of users who are in the process of switching from 
FSF Emacs to XEmacs.  They have encoutered a problem for which I 
haven't as yet been able to solve.  

When invoking gdb under FSF emacs, the user is prompted 

	"Run gdb (like this): gdb"  

and this allows them to use different versions of gdb as we have cross
versions etc...

XEmacs dives right into the default gdb.  Is there an (easy %^)) way
to choose which gdb, XEmacs invokes.

Be gentle as I'm a lisp newbie 

Thanks,

JJ


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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs GUI disappeared?
Date: 17 Oct 1996 17:56:48 +0200
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John A. Eikenberry (jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu) wrote:
> open up its X display. I tried reinstalling it, I tried running it
> with the display (:0.0) specifically given to it... but nothing.

What `nothing'?  Does it start up on tty?  Does it print an error?
Does it crash?  Does it exit?  Do your other X applications work?

Have you tried `xemacs -q'?  `xemacs -q -no-site-file'?  `xemacs -nw'?
You will have to give more details for anyone to help you.

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David Kastrup (dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) wrote:
> Emacs let's you *not* do that.  You can call both Emacs or XEmacs with
> a wildcard list in the typical environment (due to shell expansion)
> and they'll let you edit a list of files.
> And you can use C-x d *.c to start editing from a restricted dired
> listing, which is typically what you'd prefer.

This is useful!  I've been looking for such a feature for ages. :-)
BTW, why doesn't XEmacs dired highlight the files by default
(different colors for different files)?

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Bruce Sams (sams@ipp-garching.mpg.de) wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
> manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
> connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
> is a cross-group posting.

XEmacs is *exactly* the thing you have described, and much more.  Look
at <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/> for details about XEmacs.

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Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

> >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
> 
> BAW> If someone can give me a better value for cc-mode's outline-regexp,
> BAW> I'll make that change.
> 
> There is no way any setting `outline-regexp' should give an effect
> like the described, unless something else is broken.  

yup, i've verified the next day that the problem returned, even after
i made sure that `outline-regexp' wasn't being set.

argh!  the problem did go away on one of my debugging runs: the one
after i disabled `outline-regexp'.  but something else must have
`fixed' the problem.

sorry for the earlier confusion -- i'll debug further and let y'all
know when i've found something useful.

- sam

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Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J & vice-versa while in
cc-mode and c++-mode?  That way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o
requiring you to hit tab..

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>>>>> "mbrown" == Mark Brown <marb@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

> I've just moved to XEmacs 19.11, and I'm having some problems running BBDB
> 1.51 with Gnus 4.1.3 (apparently, what came with the distribution). BBDB is
> fine in Rmail, and GNUS is OK. However, when BBDB has been hooked into GNUS
> any attempt to enter a group result in complaints about a bad macro
> definition. Can anyone suggest a fix for this?

What was the macro?  BBDB 1.51 and XEmacs 19.11 may not get along.  XEmacs
19.11 is three releases old, so you should look to upgrade to 19.14.

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>>>>> Holger Schauer writes:

  Holger> (setf (search-list "emacs:") "/usr/lib/emacs")

  Holger> From now on every file operation can use this prefix:

  Holger> (load "emacs:my-file") to load my-file.lisp from the
  Holger> path /usr/lib/emacs.
  Holger> I think it would be really nice to have such a feature
  Holger> in emacs, so that when you get asked for a file one
  Holger> could use such abbreviations, i.e. C-xC-f emacs:my-file.el.

You can use environment variables for this.

kai
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On Oct 17,  5:13pm, Tom Kludy wrote:
> Subject: remapping Enter key
> Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J & vice-versa while in
> cc-mode and c++-mode?  That way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o
> requiring you to hit tab..
>
> - Tom Kludy (tkludy@engin.umich.edu)     | #include <std_dislaimer.h>
>   If God wanted us to have a President, He would have sent us a candidate.
>                            -- Jerry Dreshfield
>-- End of excerpt from Tom Kludy

>From my .emacs file:

;; so that hitting return automatically indents the next line without having
;; to insert spaces or tabs
(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)

Hope this helps!



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    Tom> Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J &
    Tom> vice-versa while in cc-mode and c++-mode?  That
    Tom> way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o requiring
    Tom> you to hit tab..

Or, you could do something like this...

(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key c++-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key lisp-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key perl-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)

-Pez

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On 17 Oct 1996, Hrvoje Niksic wrote:

> What `nothing'?  Does it start up on tty?  Does it print an error?
> Does it crash?  Does it exit?  Do your other X applications work?
> 
> Have you tried `xemacs -q'?  `xemacs -q -no-site-file'?  `xemacs -nw'?
> You will have to give more details for anyone to help you.

Ok. What happens is that it runs (it shows up when I do a ps -u), it 
doesn't print any errors and it doesn't exit. All my other X apps work
fine. 

I tried your suggestions. 'xemacs -nw' runs fine in my xterm. 'xemacs -q'
and 'xemacs -q -no-site-file' both get it to work. I guess this means
that there is something wrong with my .emacs file. I didn't change anything
in it, why would it have suddenly caused xemacs to stop showing its
X display?

Thanks a lot for your help. :)

Ciao, 


John Eikenberry
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I have a problem with viewing LaTeX documents under Xemacs that does not arise
under GNU Emacs.  In LaTeX-mode, C-c C-v is tied to xdvi in order to view the
formatted output of the LaTeX document.  Under GNU Emacs, xdvi will
automatically detect that the dvi file created by the tex-buffer command (C-c
C-b) has changed, and the screen will update itself when I bring the xdvi
window to the foreground.  It doesn't work this way under Xemacs, however.
When I make a change to the LaTeX file in the current buffer and run
tex-buffer to create a new DVI file, the xdvi window does not update
correctly.

Now if I run tex-file (C-c C-f) and tex-view (C-c C-v) it works the way I
expect.  My supspicion is that there is something funny about the way Xemacs
invokes the xdvi command on the temporary dvi file generated by tex-buffer,
but *not* how it invokes the xdvi command for the dvi file generated from
tex-file.  However, from my reading of the command line, both dvi files are
treated by xdvi the same.

I wonder if anyone else has seen the same behavior and has a way to make xdvi
work the way I expect when I use the tex-buffer command? (I preview
tex-buffer to tex-file because I can preview changes before committing them to
the original LateX file itself.)

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I am trying to put xemacs into c++-mode when a .c file is opened.

I am using the auto-mode-alist command, but the additions are not placed
at the beginning of the list even when I use 'cons'.

Xemacs seems to be adding these file types before the .emacs file is
read:

("\\.C$" . c-mode)
("\\.t$" . c-mode)
("\\.c$" . c-mode)

And then it adds my file types:

("\\.C$" . c++-mode)
("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
("\\.t$" . c++-mode)
("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
("\\.c$" . c++-mode)
("\\.h$" . c++-mode)


The code in the .emacs file looks like this:

(setq auto-mode-alist
     (cons auto-mode-alist
	(list
	        '("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
		'("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
		'("\\.t$" . c++-mode)
		'("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
		'("\\.c$"  . c++-mode)
		'("\\.h$"  . c++-mode)
		auto-mode-alist))
)

Help, I'm conused!


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[Emailed and posted]

>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

> Bruce Sams writes:

Bruce> I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
Bruce> with X support.
Bruce> Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
Bruce> manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
Bruce> connect to emacs (or xcoral)?

giacomo> well, emacs (or better: XEmacs:) is very well connected to itself,
giacomo> has a file manager, ...

Not `out of the box'.  However, someone posted patches to XEmacs 19.14
shortly after its release that provided OffiX drag & drop support.
With the OffiX Drag & Drop patches (to be included in 19.15) XEmacs
has real support for a file manager. :-)
-- 
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Coincidence?  I think not.

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Tom Kludy (tkludy@deviant.reshall.umich.edu) wrote:
: Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J & vice-versa while in
: cc-mode and c++-mode?  That way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o
: requiring you to hit tab..

Thanks to all who replied!  Here's the answer many people gave me:

(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key c++-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key lisp-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key emacs-lisp-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
(define-key java-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)

Now, I have another question:  I'd like to remap the backspace key so that,
if I am at the beginning of a line, it will delete all whitespace to the
end of the previous line; but if I am not at the beginning of a line, it
will only delete one character.  The delete key should keep the default
behaviour (delete one character no matter what).

Here's my first try:

(define-key c-mode-map [(backspace)] 'delete-indentation)

This works great except that it doesn't work if there's anything on the
line.

Any ideas?

- Tom Kludy (tkludy@engin.umich.edu)     | #include <std_dislaimer.h>
  If God wanted us to have a President, He would have sent us a candidate.
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>>>>> "James" == James Tang <jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

James> I have default file header for .c, .h and .cxx. Can I put those
James> files in somewhere so that they will be loaded automatically
James> wheneven I starting a new .c, .h or .cxx file? How to set
James> ~/.emacs ?

Check out the autoinsert package that comes with XEmacs
(lisp/packages/autoinsert.el).

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David Masterson (davidm@prism.kla.com) wrote:
> >>>>> "mbrown" == Mark Brown <marb@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:
> > I've just moved to XEmacs 19.11, and I'm having some problems running BBDB
> > 1.51 with Gnus 4.1.3 (apparently, what came with the distribution). BBDB is
> > fine in Rmail, and GNUS is OK. However, when BBDB has been hooked into GNUS
> > any attempt to enter a group result in complaints about a bad macro
> > definition. Can anyone suggest a fix for this?
> What was the macro?  BBDB 1.51 and XEmacs 19.11 may not get along.  XEmacs
> 19.11 is three releases old, so you should look to upgrade to 19.14.

GNUS 4.1.3 is also *many* releases older than the current 5.2.40.

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>>>>> "mbrown" == Mark Brown <marb@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes:

mbrown> I've just moved to XEmacs 19.11, and I'm having some problems
mbrown> running BBDB 1.51 with Gnus 4.1.3 (apparently, what came with
mbrown> the distribution). BBDB is fine in Rmail, and GNUS is
mbrown> OK. However, when BBDB has been hooked into GNUS any attempt
mbrown> to enter a group result in complaints about a bad macro
mbrown> definition. Can anyone suggest a fix for this?

Upgrade to XEmacs 19.14.

bbdb-1.51 works fine with Gnus 5 (Gnus-5.2.25 comes with XEmacs 19.14)
after you apply this patch:

*** bbdb-gnus.el~	Mon May 27 14:32:30 1996
--- bbdb-gnus.el	Mon Aug 26 22:15:36 1996
***************
*** 31,37 ****
        (bbdb/gnus-pop-up-bbdb-buffer offer-to-create)
      (let ((from
  	   (progn
! 	     (set-buffer "*Article*")
  	     (save-restriction
  	       (widen)
  	       ;;(gnus-article-show-all-headers)
--- 31,37 ----
        (bbdb/gnus-pop-up-bbdb-buffer offer-to-create)
      (let ((from
  	   (progn
! 	     (set-buffer gnus-article-buffer)
  	     (save-restriction
  	       (widen)
  	       ;;(gnus-article-show-all-headers)

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>>>>> "Merten" == Merten Stroetzel <merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> writes:

Merten> can anyone tell me how to get rid of some auto-replacements
Merten> which the xemacs does to my latex ( *.tex ) documents?

Merten> Wenn I type "a  I get ''a , but I dont want that!

Which TeX mode are you using?  Since you didn't specify one, I'll
assume you're running the tex-mode included with XEmacs.

The double quote character is bound to tex-insert-quote:
Insert the appropriate quote marks for TeX.
Inserts the value of tex-open-quote (normally ``) or tex-close-quote
(normally '') depending on the context.  With prefix argument, always
inserts \" characters.

The easiest way to make this feature go away is to remove the key
definition with some code like this:

(define-key tex-mode-map "\"" 'self-insert-command)

right after the key definitions are set up:

(add-hook 'tex-mode-load-hook
	  (lambda () (define-key tex-mode-map "\"" 'self-insert-command)))

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>>>>> "David" == David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:

David> I've mentioned this before on this newsgroup - check out the package
David> hippy-expand.el by Anders Holst <aho@sans.kth.se> which is one of the
David> most *brilliant* packages for emacs/XEmacs I have come across.

David> I don't know whether this is the latest version, but here is the header
David> from my copy of hippy-expand.el.

David> ;;  LCD Archive Entry:
David> ;;  hippie-expand|Anders Holst|aho@nada.kth.se|
David> ;;  Expand text trying various ways to find its expansion.|
David> ;;  3-July-95|Version 1.4|~/misc/hippie-expand.el.Z|

The version included with GNU Emacs 19.34 (hippie-exp.el) looks like
it's a tad more recent

;; Author: Anders Holst <aho@sans.kth.se>
;; Last change: 6 August 1995
;; Version: 1.4
;; Keywords: abbrev


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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on hp700


In lisp/packages/compile.el, there is a mistake in the regular
expression matching variable, compilation-error-regexp-alist.  The
following patch will fix the problem.  The problem is that the Irix
5.2 expression, see below, will match expressions which look like
this:

    ;; Apollo cc, 4.3BSD fc:
    ;;	"foo.f", line 3: Error: syntax error near end of statement
    ;; IBM RS6000:
    ;;  "vvouch.c", line 19.5: 1506-046 (S) Syntax error.
    ;; Unknown compiler:
    ;;  File "foobar.ml", lines 5-8, characters 20-155: blah blah
    ;; Microtec mcc68k:
    ;;  "foo.c", line 32 pos 1; (E) syntax error; unexpected symbol: "lossage"
    ;; GNAT (as of July 94): 
    ;;  "foo.adb", line 2(11): warning: file name does not match ...
    ("\"\\([^,\" \n\t]+\\)\", lines? \\([0-9]+\\)[:., (-]" 1 2)


except that the file name matched by the Irix expression will include
the quote signs (") as part of the file name.  This creates a
problem.  The Apollo style error message is still used by HP-UX
A.09.05.  Adding a quote as an unacceptable character for file name
matching, as done by the patch below, will solve the problem.



cd /seti/kevin/lisp/
diff -c /seti/kevin/lisp/compile.el\~ /seti/kevin/lisp/compile.el
*** /seti/kevin/lisp/compile.el~	Thu Oct 17 14:06:59 1996
--- /seti/kevin/lisp/compile.el	Thu Oct 17 14:07:26 1996
***************
*** 192,198 ****
      ;; jwz:
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
!     (" \\([^ \n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 600: xfe.c: 170: Not in a conditional directive while ...
      (": \\([^ \n,]+\\): \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
--- 192,198 ----
      ;; jwz:
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 712: foo.c, line 2: illegal combination of pointer and ...
!     (" \\([^ \"\n,]+\\), line \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)
      ;; IRIX 5.2
      ;; cfe: Warning 600: xfe.c: 170: Not in a conditional directive while ...
      (": \\([^ \n,]+\\): \\([0-9]+\\):" 1 2)

Diff exited abnormally with code 1 at Thu Oct 17 14:17:34


kevin
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Johnson <jj@brkawy.mko.dec.com> writes:

Jim> Hi Folks,
Jim> We have number of users who are in the process of switching from 
Jim> FSF Emacs to XEmacs.  They have encoutered a problem for which I 
Jim> haven't as yet been able to solve.  

Jim> When invoking gdb under FSF emacs, the user is prompted 

Jim> 	"Run gdb (like this): gdb"  

Jim> and this allows them to use different versions of gdb as we have cross
Jim> versions etc...

Jim> XEmacs dives right into the default gdb.  Is there an (easy %^)) way
Jim> to choose which gdb, XEmacs invokes.

Jim> Be gentle as I'm a lisp newbie 

O.K.  The first thing to remember about XEmacs is that it is still
Emacs.  It has an extensive online help facility that will answer a
great many questions.  Also, being Emacs, there are numerous ways to
do everything, and there is very little that is hardcoded.  Thus, you
should figure that there's a configuration variable for this
somewhere (if there isn't it's likely a bug).

Since it would be part of the gdb package, a good thing to try would
be symbols beginning with `gdb-'.

M-x apropos is your friend:

The command (Hold down the Meta key, and press x at the same time to
get a M-x or Meta X)

M-x apropos ^gdb-

Yields a big buffer full of symbols.  Making a quick scan through it
yields the likely looking candidate:

gdb-command-name
  Variable: Pathname for executing gdb.
  Plist: 1 property (variable-documentation)

Click the middle mouse button on `Variable:' or type in: (C-h v is the
describe-variable command)
C-h v gdb-command-name

to see:

gdb-command-name's value is "gdb"
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
Pathname for executing gdb.

which appears to be exactly what you are looking for.

To set variables you use the setq command like this:

(setq gdb-command-name "/usr/gnu/bin/gdb-new")

If you want to make site-wide changes, a good place to put them is in
the site-lisp.el file in /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp (there isn't
one there by default).  Add the single line shown above (replace the
stuff in double quotes with the correct location for gdb on your
system), and you're done.

Lisp syntax may look strange at first if you're not used to it, but it
is much easier to learn than something like C or perl, and it tends to
grow on you after awhile ...
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>>>>> "04133-lorie" == 04133-lorie  <slorie@hzsbc197.ns-nl.att.com> writes:

04133-lorie> Hi,

04133-lorie> I am a little bit hesitant to download the huge amount
04133-lorie> sources in order to get XEmacs running on my Linux
04133-lorie> box. So I wonder if XEmacs is available on CD-ROM ?
04133-lorie> (preferable a copy of all relevant source files from
04133-lorie> [ftp.xemacs.org]/pub/xemacs).

There are ELF binary distributions for Linux on ftp.xemacs.org, but
they are fairly large.

You might check with the good folk at RedHat.  They have an XEmacs
19.14 RPM in the contributed section of Rembrandt, and it might well
be on a CD by now.

If you have a recent Linux CD ROM package that includes copies of the
sunsite FTP site, it has XEmacs 19.13 (apps/editors/xemacs) and the
OffiX Drag & Drop patches to XEmacs 19.14, but apparently no 19.14. :-(
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John A. Eikenberry (jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu) wrote:
> Ok. What happens is that it runs (it shows up when I do a ps -u), it 
> doesn't print any errors and it doesn't exit. All my other X apps work
> fine.

Then it's certainly an XEmacs bug, no matter what contents of your
.emacs are.  But maybe we can divine a workaround. :-)

> I tried your suggestions. 'xemacs -nw' runs fine in my xterm. 'xemacs -q'
> and 'xemacs -q -no-site-file' both get it to work. I guess this means

`xemacs -q' is sufficient then.  Now try commenting out various parts
of your .emacs file, until you find the one that's obviously blocking
your XEmacs.  Then please post it to the newsgroup, so that we can
have a bug report.

> that there is something wrong with my .emacs file. I didn't change anything
> in it, why would it have suddenly caused xemacs to stop showing its
> X display?

I don't know.  But try to find out.

-- 
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>>>>> "Dave" == Dave Ahn <ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> writes:

Dave> Is there a way to have Xemacs automatically start up in Viper
Dave> mode?  (Please, no vi vs. emacs flames)

There is a Viper manual available in the Info documentation ...  I
found this in the section `Overview of Viper/Loading Viper':


   Once Viper is settled on the load path, the most common way to load
it automatically is to include the line:

     (require 'viper)

in your `~/.emacs' file.  The `.emacs' file is placed in your home
directory and it will be executed every time you invoke Emacs.  Viper
also uses the file `~/.vip' for Viper-specific customization.  If you
wish to be in Vi command state whenever this is appropriate, you can
include the following line in your `.vip':
     (setq vip-always t)


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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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>>>>> "Karl" == Karl M Hegbloom <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:

Karl> When I first installed XEmacs, I was having trouble with VM
Karl> crashing it whenever I'd open a 'R' reply window.  The debugger
Karl> revealed it to be a null pointer dereference somewhere in the
Karl> gui codes, if I recall...

Karl> (This is a snip I saved a while back)
Karl> -----------------------
Karl> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
Karl> 0x400c65b4 in lwlib_does_not_use_motif_1_2 ()
Karl> ---------------------------------

Karl> Everyone said that it was a RAM error, since, during that same
Karl> period of time, gcc kept quitting during kernel compilation.  I
Karl> disagreed, but all the experts said it was RAM.  But, after
Karl> upgrading from kernel 2.0.0 to 2.0.6, the compilation problem
Karl> went away.  Same RAM, newer kernel, no sig SEGV.

XEmacs is every bit as sensitive to the phenomena described in the
Linux Signal 11 FAQ as kernel compilation is.

Karl> Now, I can compile a kernel, and there are no errors.
Karl> Everything seems fine.  ViewMail, in XEmacs 19.14, runs fine
Karl> most of the time, but occasionally crashes XEmacs when I press
Karl> 'R' for a quoted reply, or the Visit button to look at another
Karl> folder.  I think it is where it tries to display a VM toolbar;
Karl> the one on the left.

I don't use VM, but before I replaced my previous cache chips, the
likeliest place for XEmacs to crash was during email incorporation in
Gnus, or mass article download.

Karl> It works fine all day, then sometimes it works once, then the
Karl> next time it crashes.  I've gotten in the habit of pressing 'S'
Karl> before I press 'R'.  It may be that it occurs more often when my
Karl> load average is higher.  Someday, I will learn to use a
Karl> debugger.

Try to narrow it down if you can.  I'm inclined to say you have bad
RAM or bad cache.

Karl> bash$ ldd $(which xemacs)
Karl> 	libXaw.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXaw.so.6
Karl> 	libcompface.so => /usr/local/lib/libcompface.so

You did remember to compile this library with -D_BSD_SOURCE didn't
you?  If you don't you will get calls to setjmp/longjmp with variably
sized jmp_bufs.

Karl> 	libjpeg.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libjpeg.so.6.0.0
Karl> 	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
Karl> 	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXt.so.6.0
Karl> 	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libSM.so.6.0
Karl> 	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libICE.so.6.0
Karl> 	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libXext.so.6.1
Karl> 	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11/lib/libX11.so.6.1
Karl> 	libncurses.so.3.0 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0
Karl> 	libgdbm.so.2 => /lib/libgdbm.so.2.0.0
Karl> 	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
Karl> 	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.4.7

You might try upgrading your libc too.  libc-5.4.7 has some problems
with sendmail, and probably XEmacs as well (I had some inexplicable
crashes during the period I used it before upgrading to 5.4.9).

Karl> The libc is straight out of the binary package on tsx11, as far as I
Karl> can remember. (It may have been sunsite.unc.edu though.)

Karl> :) Proudly running Linux 2.0.21 and GNU public software!
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Hi netters

Does anybody know where the commands associated with the toolbar 
icons are so one can change it ??

Thanks

Sumit

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When is 19.15 due?

TNX,
Pete
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ShashiK (sashik@bartok.mgh.harvard.edu) wrote:
> i was successful in installing xemacs-19.14 on Untrix 4.2a!!
> 
> but with some effort.
> 
> 1) the problem with extern int my_data in src/emacs.c
> 
> 	the linker complains about relocation entry and tells us to 
> recompile with -G option.
> 
> 	i  got a patch from Erik Magnuson [erik@sulu.FL.ENSCO.COM] to work 
> around this problem, basically:
> 
> 	edit emacs.c line:1624 to extern char my_data[27];
> 
> Recompiling xemacs lead to the second problem:
> 
> 2) mmap and realloc had problems, emacs was complaining "Memory exhausted"
> 
> 	the trick is to
>  edit src/config.h,  undefine HAVE_MMAP and REL_ALLOC 
> and define SYSYEM_MALLOC 1 in src/ultrix-xxx.h

Thanks to ShashiK (or whatever your real name is ;-) I finaly compiled
fully working xemacs on Ultrix (version is 4.3). In addition what he
posted, I needed to recompile with X11R6 libraries and athena dialog
boxes. X11R4 libraries and Motif were responsible for core
dumps... Also I changed my_edata[] (there is no my_data in emacs.c) in
emacs.c to my_edata[30], becose length of my_edata is 30 (as defined
in src/lastfile.c).

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I'm currently using cc-mode version 4.282 and I'd like to use the c-fill mode
in conjunction with the cc-mode.  However, the following line in my .emacs
doesn't work:

;; For auto-filled C comments
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda () (require 'c-fill)))

It adds the c-fill to my c-mode hook but the comments don't function as
described in xemacs-19.14/lisp/modes/c-fill.el.  Am I doing something wrong or
do I need to initialize something else?


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From: Carey Evans <carey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: xemacs goes into a loop if I exit from OpenWindows
Date: 18 Oct 1996 13:42:32 +1300
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sachs@panix.com (Josef Sachs) writes:

> If I exit OpenWindows via olvwm's EXIT command (by default, the "Exit..."
> item on the root menu), xemacs goes into a loop printing the following
> to its standard output:
> 
> xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection "mydisplay:0.0"
>   after 530 requests (530 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
> 
> Emacs 19.28 does not exhibit this behavior.  Is there a patch or workaround
> for this?  I'm running xemacs-19.14 under SunOS 4.1.3.  Thanks in advance.

I found a possible solution to this a while ago on Deja News.  Try
searching for "x_IO_error_handler", or the following URL:

http://xp9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=5394710&server=dnserver.db96q4&CONTEXT=845599041.4895&hitnum=1

I have no idea whether this works.  I just exit XEmacs before exiting
my window manager.

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>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

> Lyn A Headley <laheadle@kimbark.uchicago.edu> writes:

Lyn> this seems like a good suggestion.  wouldn't it be nice if one
Lyn> could run any arbitrary shell command on the file one is
Lyn> visiting?  I guess it would look like this:

Lyn> (defun my-cmd-on-current-file (arg)
Lyn> (interactive "sCommand? ")
Lyn> (shell-command (concat arg " " (buffer-file-name (current-buffer)))))

David> This is a pretty bad idea because then what emacs thinks of what the
David> file is and what the file really is becomes different.

Assuming you modified the file, yes it would be a bad idea.  But there
are plenty of other non-writing things you can do that would be safe.

David> Of course you could do an automatic revert-buffer afterwards,
David> but in that case any commands before executing the command are
David> lost.  I think it more reasonable to just use the standard
David> mechanism of piping a buffer through emacs.  If you goof, you
David> can then always use undo, abandon your edit or whatever else
David> appropriate.  That is, to run a command on the file use

David> C-x h   (this marks the whole buffer)
David> C-u M-|  (this pipes the buffer through a shell command and puts the
David>           output instead of the input in the buffer)

A stripped version of Lyn's function would look like:

(defun my-cmd-on-current-region (arg)
  (interactive "sCommand? ")
  (let (start finish)
    (if (and (region-exists-p) (region-active-p))
	(progn
	  (setq start (region-beginning))
	  (setq finish (region-end)))
      (setq start (point-min))
      (setq finish (point-max)))
    (call-process-region start
			 finish
			 "/bin/sh" 
			 t
			 (current-buffer)
			 t
			 "-c"
			 arg)))

Or call the existing function shell-command-on-region which has a lot
more features.
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From: Daniel J Higgins <djhigg2@uswest.com>
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Subject: Re: loading ispell
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Gary Ebert wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
>         First let me say that I'm not an expert at setting up emacs. I am
> having trouble getting ispell to load properly.  I have ispell.el and
> ispell.elc in my /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ directory
> but I seem to be unabel to use it.  Every time I use the menu to spell
> check the documents I'm editing emacs responds with "Searching for
> program: no such file or directory, ispell".  I have run dired on
> /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ and then ran
> update-directory-autoloads.  In a fit of despiration I even copied the
> loaddefs.el into my .emacs file with no luck.
> 

Ispell is a unix application independent of emacs. Emacs' ispell lisp
files simply use the ispell command. 

$ which ispell
/usr/bin/ispell

Check the man page. 

Sounds like you need to install it. You should find it somewhere
at the sunsite site.

http://sunsite.unc.edu

-dan

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>>>>> "Randy" == Randy J Ray <rjray@uswest.com> writes:

Randy> Trying to install some packages retrieved from various sources,
Randy> I see that some of them optionally use a package called
Randy> "imenu". (In fact, bison-mode from the Elisp Archive can't
Randy> compile without it)

Randy> I couldn't find this in my 19.14 distribution or on the Elisp
Randy> Archive. Is this only in GNU Emacs?

I don't know about the archive, but it is in GNU Emacs 19.34.

Randy> Is it scheduled for inclusion into Xemacs?

A subset of it has been ported.  The portion that overlaps with the
function menu has not.  It's in the current 19.15 beta.

You ought to be able to get bison-mode to bytecompile if you guard the
imenu references with (when (boundp ...) ...) or (when (fboundp ...) ...).
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: VM and Mailcrypt
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>>>>> "Holger" == Holger Schauer <schauer@zeus.gmd.de> writes:

Holger> Hi there !
Holger> If memory still serves me there has been a discussion
Holger> here about the interaction of vm and mailcrypt in 19.14.
Holger> Well, at last I did get it to work yesterday but had to
Holger> turn several macros in vm-misc into defuns. This is 
Holger> certainly not the way to do it. So, my question is:
Holger> are there more bugs anywhere which I haven't encountered
Holger> yet and if yes, is there somewhere a patch to them ?

It's not a bug.  The mailcrypt .elcs need to be rebytecompiled.

Holger> And the last question: how comes nobody noticed the errors
Holger> before they put it out ?

As the XEmacs beta tester who probably uses mailcrypt the most, you
can blame me for that.  I work with copies of Gnus/tm/Mailcrypt off
the main tree due to the source for Gnus changing so often.  In the
final bit of testing prior to release I turned off the pointers to
other versions of Gnus and tm, and forgot about the private copy of
mailcrypt sitting in site-lisp.

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>>>>> "John" == John A Eikenberry <jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu> writes:

John> On 17 Oct 1996, Hrvoje Niksic wrote:

Hrvoje> What `nothing'?  Does it start up on tty?  Does it print an
Hrvoje> error?  Does it crash?  Does it exit?  Do your other X
Hrvoje> applications work?

Hrvoje> Have you tried `xemacs -q'?  `xemacs -q -no-site-file'?
Hrvoje> `xemacs -nw'?  You will have to give more details for anyone
Hrvoje> to help you.

Words to the wise.

John> Ok. What happens is that it runs (it shows up when I do a ps
John> -u), it doesn't print any errors and it doesn't exit. All my
John> other X apps work fine.

I've seen similar behavior on Linux/ELF with a corrupted or bad
/etc/hosts.

John> I tried your suggestions. 'xemacs -nw' runs fine in my
John> xterm. 'xemacs -q' and 'xemacs -q -no-site-file' both get it to
John> work. I guess this means that there is something wrong with my
John> .emacs file.

Perhaps.  Evaluate it line by line until something bad happens.

John> I didn't change anything in it, why would it have suddenly
John> caused xemacs to stop showing its X display?

If tracing through your .emacs proves fruitless, check your $DISPLAY,
and /etc/hosts for correctness.  You might also try running xemacs
under strace or the equivalent (a system call tracer) to see where
it's getting hung up.

What kind of system are you on?  Have you made any system changes
recently?
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>>>>> "Sailesh" == Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> writes:

Sailesh> Dear All,

Sailesh> I do a lot of coding on remote machines on other campus
Sailesh> networks, and ange-ftp is really invaluable for me !
Sailesh> However, I really miss gdb on X(EmacS).

Sailesh> Compiling is a problem too, however I managed that by changing
Sailesh> the compile-command to use an rsh to execute in the remote
Sailesh> machine a script that changes to the right directory and runs
Sailesh> make. Worked fine for me .. however I could not try something
Sailesh> similar with gdb because although I tried changing the
Sailesh> gdb-command-name similarly, it tried using the rsh string as a
Sailesh> program instead of executing the command.

Yup.  That's not going to work due to the way the command line is
built.

Sailesh> It would be nice if we can have support for execution of a
Sailesh> debugger in a remote machine.

The 'gdb-command-name program is called like this:
gdb-command-name -fullname -cd directory-name file [core-file]

Why don't you make a shell script which executes the remote shell
command, and call that instead of a debugger directly?

Something like this

#! /bin/sh

rsh debug-host "gdb $*"


ought to work.
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>>>>> "steve" == steve farrell <spfarrel@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> writes:

steve> first, i can't seem to find the following defined (only used)
steve> anywhere in the lisp sources (19.14)

steve> buffers-menu-filter

``C-h f buffers-menu-filter'' gives the first clue:
buffers-menu-filter: (menu)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
     ^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
This is the menu filter for the top-level buffers "Buffers" menu.
 ...

A scan of the lisp directories (grep def.*buffers-menu-filter */*.el)
reveals that it's defined in x11/x-menubar.el.

steve> and the reason i'm looking for it is because i'd like to have a
steve> special pop-up that only lists those buffers from the same
steve> major-mode.  (this is what i do 90% of the time when switching
steve> buffers).

steve> i have my buffer menu configured to make sub-menus for each of
steve> the major modes and simply need it to be this way b/c i use vm
steve> and gnus etc etc and hence have about 14 million buffers around
steve> after a while.

Sounds familiar.

steve> this is fine, but when i'm working on a mess of sources that
steve> are all of the same type, i'd like to be able to switch between
steve> them quickly wihtout having to find the appropriate submenu
steve> first.

steve> i located this bit of elisp:

 ...
steve> i assume the key here is:

steve> 	:filter buffers-menu-filter

steve> which i'm assuming takes that mess you get from 'list-buffers'
steve> and makes something parsable by
steve> 'popup-menu-and-execute-in-window'.  and hence assume i need to
steve> write my own filter that filters for the major mode i'm in...

This sounds correct.

steve> any suggestions here?

Taking a copy of buffers-menu-filter and modifying it to do as you
suggest should work.  This is the brute force way.  You could also try
fiddling with buffers-menu-omit-function, which might well be what you
really want:

C-h v buffers-menu-omit-function

buffers-menu-omit-function's value is buffers-menu-omit-invisible-buffers
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
*If non-nil, a function specifying the buffers to omit from the buffers menu.
This is passed a buffer and should return non-nil if the buffer should be
omitted.  The default value `buffers-menu-omit-invisible-buffers' omits
buffers that are normally considered "invisible" (those whose name
begins with a space).

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>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Ebert <gary@duckboy.rdss.com> writes:

Gary> First let me say that I'm not an expert at setting up emacs. I am
Gary> having trouble getting ispell to load properly.  I have ispell.el and
Gary> ispell.elc in my /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ directory
Gary> but I seem to be unabel to use it.  Every time I use the menu to spell
Gary> check the documents I'm editing emacs responds with "Searching for
Gary> program: no such file or directory, ispell".  I have run dired on
Gary> /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ and then ran
Gary> update-directory-autoloads.  In a fit of despiration I even copied the
Gary> loaddefs.el into my .emacs file with no luck.

Oops.  That error message means that XEmacs was unable to locate the
ispell program on disk.  This is not the same thing as the ispell.el
and ispell.elc in XEmacs.  Do you have ispell installed properly, and
in your shell $PATH?

I've never run XEmacs 19.11, so I don't know what version of ispell it
expects.  There are two major versions available and the higher
numbered one causes problems with ispell.el.  The commentary at the
top of ispell.el should say what version of ispell it is expecting.

$ ispell -v       
@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 10/10/95
@(#) Copyright (c), 1983, by Pace Willisson

Gary> Please help

Gary> BTW could you please e-mail me responces as well as posting b/c
Gary> I don't always get to read this group as much as I'd like to.

As per your request.

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

Richard> I am happily using gnuclient (as I did emacsclient before)
Richard> from my mail, news and many other programs.
                 ^^^^  ^^^^
A strange use of Gnuclient ;-), the best mail and news readers are a
part of XEmacs.

Richard> I was pleased to see that is is now possible to use a remote
Richard> server as this is often what I do, however there is one thing
Richard> I didn't figure out:

Richard> Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is accessible
Richard> localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote machine running the
Richard> server? This is the typical case when used with mail programs that
Richard> invoke gnuclient with a file in /tmp or so which of course is not
Richard> nfs-mounted on any other machine. 

You ought to be able to use ange-ftp to get at those files.  You could
also try reconfiguring the temporary file directory around to an NFS
mounted disk.

Richard> If this is not possible, how aboout adding this to gnuclients 
Richard> wishlist?

I believe ange-ftp or efs is adequate to the task.
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>>>>> "CR" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com> writes:

>> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

CR> % foreach f (*.C)
CR> ? echo mv $f ${f:h}.cc
CR> ? mv $f ${f:h}.cc
CR> ? end

Now do it on a single command line so you can enclose it in parentheses
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rather than mucking around with multiple redirections (which are bad
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AFAIK, the only way to do that with csh is to write a script.

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Joel Shapiro (joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU) wrote (Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:05:40 -0400):
>From my .emacs file:
> 
> ;; so that hitting return automatically indents the next line without having
> ;; to insert spaces or tabs
> (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 

It works fine for C-mode.
Does something exist for fortran mode?

Thanks

Vincent

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From: Burkhard Knopf <burkhard.knopf@informatik.tu-clausthal.de>
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Subject: Re: Problems compiling on Ultrix
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>>>>> "Douglas" == Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:

 Douglas> Jason McLaren wrote:
 >> For that matter, has Xemacs 19.14 ever been succesfully compiled
 >> on a mips-dec-ultrix type machine?

 Douglas> The xemacs-19_13-ultrix-4_4.patch :
 Douglas> <http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>
 Douglas> suggests configuring with -rel-alloc=no as there seems to be
 Douglas> a problem with the relocating-allocator under Ultrix, might
 Douglas> be the same for XEmacs 19.14.

Looks like, yes. At least I had to apply the patches suggested in that
file to have XEmacs-19.14 run on an ULTRIX-4.4 DECstation.

-- 
burkhard.knopf@informatik.tu-clausthal.de

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>> while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
>> makes my current buffer called *.c
>> this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
>> emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?
>> (running 19.14 on a linux box)
>
>Emacs let's you *not* do that.  You can call both Emacs or XEmacs with
>a wildcard list in the typical environment (due to shell expansion)
>and they'll let you edit a list of files.
>
>And you can use C-x d *.c to start editing from a restricted dired
>listing, which is typically what you'd prefer.

this way, i still have to load each file one by one, if I have
100 *.c files in my dir, i want emacs to auto create 100 buffers
and load the whole kaboodle in, kind of like typing
xemacs *.c from the command line
:)


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From: chbe@sweng.stortek.com (Christophe Beljouani (Toulouse))
Subject: HTML mode
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Hello 

Does anyone know if the next version of xemacs (19.15) will, in 
the HTML mode, support HTML 3.x and at least, the frames (which 
appeared in html 3.x but i'm not sure of that)

Thanks for any help.

Christophe






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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: I need something like "reload-buffer". Who can help me ???
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:49:27 -0700
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> Who could send me the required lisp-code ????

There is no lisp needed since 'revert-buffer' (who was responsible for
this name???) is the function you are looking for. The only thing you
might want to do is to wrap it up in a small defun (to avoid all the
questions 'Do you want to...'):

(defun revert-buffer-noconfirm ()
  (interactive "")
  (revert-buffer nil t)
  (message "buffer %s reloaded from disk." buffer-file-truename))

HTH,
Thomas
-- 
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Merten Stroetzel <merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> writes:
> can anyone tell me how to get rid of some auto-replacements
> which the xemacs does to my latex ( *.tex ) documents?
> 
> Wenn I type "a  I get ''a , but I dont want that!

This code fragment has been posted a little while ago. I have been
using it ever since and it fixes the problem, that you
mentioned. There might be other solutions, too. For instance, I have
been told that AucTeX is highly configurable, but I do not use it.

    (defun get-rid-of-quote ()
      "Switch the quote character back to its original meaning."
      (interactive)
      (local-set-key "\"" 'self-insert-command))
    (add-hook 'latex-mode-hook  'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'tex-mode-hook    'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook    'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'LaTeX-mode-hook  'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'slitex-mode-hook 'get-rid-of-quote)
    (add-hook 'bibtex-mode-hook 'get-rid-of-quote)

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"Karlheinz Nolte" <Karlheinz.Nolte@ks.sel.alcatel.de> writes:
> $ date
> Wed Oct 16 11:21:02 MET DST 1996
> 
> but XEmacs shows: 10:21
> 
> I think, XEmacs has its own zoneinfo files. The question is, where?

This seems to work perfectly fine on my Linux box. Maybe there is a
problem with the patch that you got for your Ultrix box? Do other
program exhibit similar behavior?



Markus

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Dear Netters,

  I tried to install Xemacs-19.14 on a i386 machine with
i386-unknown-bsdi1.1 operating system. When I trun "configure" file, there
is an error message shown as:

src/config.h is unchanged
creating src/Makefile
Memory fault - core dumped

Does any one help me solve this problem?

P.S. If you have any solution, please send you solution to mailbox instead
of posting to this newsgroup because I don't subscribe this newsgroup.

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Dear netter,




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root@phat.resnet.ubc.ca (Me) writes:

> ok, I am brand new to emacs (well, to the concept of actually using
> it for work), as I have been a diehard VI fan all my life, but...

:-)

> 
> doesn't emacs do most of that already?  I mean, hit M-x compile,

Bind it to a key and have it in one key-stroke (e.g. one of the 'F?'
keys).  Also bind the 'next-error function to another key and let
emacs take you to the lines which caused the compiler to whip.

> and it will compile for you, you can debug with gdb in emacs
> transparently, I believe it has a file manager called DIRED?
> (may be wrong, just seen it briefly)...

Yes, Dired.  It can also integrate with ange-ftp to manage files over
ftp (e.g. open "/ftp@ftp.uu.net:/" and see what happens).

> Of course, it probably wont handle 'projects' etc etc, but overall

Why "of course"???  It has a very convenient (IMO) interface to RCS
and CVS (for a start, look under the "tools/version control" menu, but
in general a simple ^X^Q will create a new version and/or lock the
file for you).

I've allready writen a few medium-sized commercial products under this
environment and never regretted the (natural) choice.  I'm going to
start another project these days and have no second thoughts about the
tool I'm going to use for it.

> I find it to be quite useful for coding..

Understatement of the decade ? :-)

Cheers,

--Amos

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Sumit Das writes:
 > 
 > Does anybody know where the commands associated with the toolbar 
 > icons are so one can change it ??

I've added to/configured my toolbar (and I make no guarantee that this
is the best way of doing this!).  The following is cut from my .emacs:

;; Toolbar
;; ps-print-with-faces or region-with-faces
(defun mat-print-with-faces ()
  (interactive "_")
  (if zmacs-region-active-p
      (ps-print-region-with-faces (region-beginning) (region-end))
    (ps-print-buffer-with-faces))
  )
(defun mat-unbury-buffer ()
  (interactive)
  (let* ((bufs (buffer-list))
         (entry (1- (length bufs)))
         val)
    (while (not (setq val (nth entry bufs)
                      val (and (/= (aref (buffer-name val) 0)
                                   ? )
                               val)))
      (setq entry (1- entry)))
    (switch-to-buffer val))
)
(if (and (featurep 'toolbar) (eq (device-type (selected-device)) 'x)) 
    (progn (remove-specifier default-toolbar 'global) 
           (add-spec-list-to-specifier 
            default-toolbar 
            '((global 
               (nil 
                [toolbar-file-icon find-file t "Open a file"] 
                [toolbar-spell-icon toolbar-ispell t "Spellcheck"] 
                [toolbar-disk-icon save-buffer t "Save buffer"] 
                [toolbar-printer-icon mat-print-with-faces t "Print (pretty) buffer/region"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-cut-icon x-kill-primary-selection t "Kill region"] 
                [toolbar-copy-icon x-copy-primary-selection t "Copy region"] 
                [toolbar-paste-icon x-yank-clipboard-selection t "Paste from clipboard"] 
                [toolbar-replace-icon query-replace t "Replace text"] 
                [toolbar-undo-icon undo t "Undo edit"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-last-win-icon bury-buffer t "Previous buffer"] 
                [toolbar-next-win-icon mat-unbury-buffer t "Next buffer"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-compile-icon compile t "Compile"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-mail-icon vm t "Mail"] 
                [toolbar-news-icon gnus-other-frame t "News"] 
                [:style 2d]
                [toolbar-info-icon toolbar-info t "Information"] 
                nil
;                [info::toolbar-exit-icon save-buffers-kill-emacs t "Exit XEmacs"] 
                ))))))

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How can I automatically format C++ source code files using XEmacs so
they comply to coding standards?
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In <m2u3rsg7zf.fsf@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

>Richard> I am happily using gnuclient (as I did emacsclient before)
>Richard> from my mail, news and many other programs.
>                 ^^^^  ^^^^
>A strange use of Gnuclient ;-), the best mail and news readers are a
>part of XEmacs.

they are best, but slighlty slower and more resource hungry then
what I am used to.

>Richard> I was pleased to see that is is now possible to use a remote
>Richard> server as this is often what I do, however there is one thing
>Richard> I didn't figure out:

>Richard> Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is accessible
>Richard> localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote machine running the
>Richard> server? This is the typical case when used with mail programs that
>Richard> invoke gnuclient with a file in /tmp or so which of course is not
>Richard> nfs-mounted on any other machine. 

>You ought to be able to use ange-ftp to get at those files.  You could
>also try reconfiguring the temporary file directory around to an NFS
>mounted disk.

would gnuclient understand a filename like /$HOST:path? That is certainly
a workable solution, although I would much prefer specifying the local
filename together with an option that says ange-ftp should be used to 
access the file.

>Richard> If this is not possible, how aboout adding this to gnuclients 
>Richard> wishlist?

>I believe ange-ftp or efs is adequate to the task.
Never heard of "efs", I will have a look into the FAQ :-)

Bye
Richard


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In article <vafiv898ouj.fsf@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

>   Holger> could use such abbreviations, i.e. C-xC-f emacs:my-file.el.
> You can use environment variables for this.

Just to expand on this:
  setenv E /usr/gnu/emacs
  setenv ES /usr/gnu/emacs/src
etc. It is *imperative* that you do not put a / at the end of the dir name.
Then in the minibuffer 
 C-x C-f  $E/my-file.el
You don't even have to clear the default path that emacs offers, because
when the env var is expanded it looks like
  /the/default/path//usr/gnu/emacs/my-file.el
and emacs clears up all before the doubled //.
One advantage is that you can use these env vars in shell scripts,
makefiles, etc. 

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux


	Hi,

	Compiling the following function gives me no warning about
	function1. This is a serious fault because I can't be sure
	that all libraries are required since BC doesn't tell some
	function isn't known:

(defun test ()
  (interactive
   (list
    (non-existing-function1)
    ))
  (non-existing-function2))



broo jaalto % emc -x T
/opt/local/bin/xemacs-19.14 compilation...
Loading bytecomp...
Compiling /users/jaalto/T...
Loading cl-macs...
Loading byte-optimize...
While compiling the end of the data in file /users/jaalto/T:
  ** the function non-existing-function2 is not known to be defined.
Wrote /users/jaalto/T.elc

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Hello,

I just compiled the Xemacs 19.14 on a SUN (Solaris 2.4, SUN4M) with the GNU
gcc-2.7.2. I have used the following line to configure the Makefiles:

./configure --verbose --with-gcc --site-includes=/gmbh/eng/etq/tools/include --site-libraries=/gmbh/eng/etq/tools/lib --prefix=/gmbh/eng/etq/tools --dynamic=yes --with-tooltalk --with-sparcworks --with-tiff --cflags=-O --debug

The compilation works fine with no errors. There after I tried to execute 
xemacs in the source directory before installing xemacs.

	<xemacs src>/src/xemacs

after some seconds I got a beep and the message

	Wrong type argument: stringp, nil 

within the message/status line. Just before the error occurs, I have seen

	Loading cl-extra.el .....

The sparkworks menu button is missing as well as the XEMACS banner, which should
occur if I don't pass a file name via the command line. If I try 

	<xemacs src>/src/xemacs <testfile>

the <testfile> is not loaded.

Can any body tell me please, what goes wrong here, or how I can figure out what
happens ? I tried to load cl-extra.el and evaluate the entire buffer, but no
error occured.

I also remove all $HOME/.emacs files.

Thanks for any help in advance.

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"James" == James Tang <jtang@ws69.seas.ucla.edu> writes:

> I have default file header for .c, .h and .cxx. Can I put those
> files in somewhere so that they will be loaded automatically
> wheneven I starting a new .c, .h or .cxx file? How to set
> ~/.emacs ?


Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:

>Check out the autoinsert package that comes with XEmacs
>(lisp/packages/autoinsert.el).

Also, check out the dmacro package which also does this, more
as an extra feature that its primary function, but nevertheless
works well.  I was unaware of autoinsert.el so I cannot compare
the two.

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"Markus Gutschke" <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:

> Merten Stroetzel <merten@lkn.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> writes:
> > can anyone tell me how to get rid of some auto-replacements
> > which the xemacs does to my latex ( *.tex ) documents?
> > 
> > Wenn I type "a  I get ''a , but I dont want that!
> 
> This code fragment has been posted a little while ago. I have been
> using it ever since and it fixes the problem, that you
> mentioned. There might be other solutions, too. For instance, I have
> been told that AucTeX is highly configurable, but I do not use it.

A pity, as AucTeX has better macro completion, crossref following,
menu entries, TeX running wrappers, a much easier user interface,
automatic handling of \include hierarchies, much better and more
useful formatting and indenting of text, environment and macro name
completion, sensible printer interfacing, and so on.

On the topic of quotes: AucTeX recognizes from the packages you use
(like german.sty) whether or not you'd want quotes to be expanded or
left intact.

-- 
David Kastrup     Institut fuer Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de  Telephon: +49-234-700-5570


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>>>>> "Ajay" == Ajay Patel <ajayp@raleigh.ibm.com> writes:

  Ajay> How can I automatically format C++ source code files using XEmacs so
  Ajay> they comply to coding standards?

Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which is the standard mode for C/C++ in
XEmacs.

Oscar

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I'm trying to type the german "umlaute" or something like  in 
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What do I have to do to get the "expected behaviour of my compose key?

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Subject: Ctags and etags

Is there anything that will convert a ctags file to a etags file ?

The reason I am asking is I have come accross an improved ctags that
give hairier output. (http://fly.hiwaay.net/~darren/ctags.html)
This give more detail and I want to use its output. Alternatively is
there another version of etags?

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Hi,

I have Emacs installed on my Solaris x86.
I program on C language and I'd like the Emacs to color my code.
But sometimes when it loades the file it doesn't color it at all.
Then I issue the command "M-x font-lock-mode". It colors the color
using some owfull color scheme. If I issue the command "hilit-..."
it colors the code to better colors. But when I type something it returns
to the previous scheme.

Questions.

1.  What initialization files and at which order/prcedence runs Emacs
    when it starts? when it loads a file?

2.  Where and how can I specify and fine tune it's coloring schemes?

Please reply to arier@comverse.com

Best regards,

Alex Rier




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Ian MacKinnon <imac@rd.abs.alcatel.co.uk> writes:
>Is there anything that will convert a ctags file to a etags file ?

	Not that I know of.

>The reason I am asking is I have come accross an improved ctags that
>give hairier output. (http://fly.hiwaay.net/~darren/ctags.html)
>This give more detail and I want to use its output. Alternatively is
>there another version of etags?

	I was annoyed when I first started using etags that etags didn't
distinguish between a type definition and its use as a return type, so I asked
about other versions and the only reply I got was:

Tracey Bernath 913.534.3070 <tracey@dns.sprintcorp.com> writes:
>Dan:
>
>Not sure that this helps, but try the package etags++ which is part of 
>cie (c++ in emacs), the latest I have is version cie_2_1.tar.gz.
>
>It has a C parser for etags++, which I've modified many times to accept
>other keywords. We use XShell distributed obejcts, and they use the keywords
>'module' and 'adt' which get preprocessed into 'class' at code generation
>time.  It was a 5 minute job to patch and rebuild the code.
>
>Hope this helps.
>Trace

	I haven't tried it, so I don't know if it fixes either of our
problems (which may be the same?).

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Hello,

do you know any package for Xemacs for handling adresses ?
Thanks in advance
Jens

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>>>>> arier  writes:

  Alex> Questions.

  Alex> 1.  What initialization files and at which order/prcedence
  Alex>     runs Emacs when it starts? when it loads a file?

The Emacs info node "Init File" explains this rather well, so I'm
quoting it here:

,-----
| File: emacs,  Node: Init File,  Prev: Syntax,  Up: Customization
| 						     
| The Init File, `~/.emacs'			   
| =========================			   
| 						     
|    When Emacs is started, it normally loads a Lisp program from the file
| `.emacs' in your home directory.  We call this file your "init file"
| because it specifies how to initialize Emacs for you.  You can use the
| command line switches `-q' and `-u' to tell Emacs whether to load an
| init file, and which one (*note Entering Emacs::.).
| 						     
|    There can also be a "default init file", which is the library named
| `default.el', found via the standard search path for libraries.  The
| Emacs distribution contains no such library; your site may create one
| for local customizations.  If this library exists, it is loaded
| whenever you start Emacs (except when you specify `-q').  But your init
| file, if any, is loaded first; if it sets `inhibit-default-init'
| non-`nil', then `default' is not loaded.	   
| 						     
|    Your site may also have a "site startup file"; this is named
| `site-start.el', if it exists.  Emacs loads this library before it
| loads your init file.  To inhibit loading of this library, use the
| option `-no-site-file'.				   
| 						     
|    If you have a large amount of code in your `.emacs' file, you should
| move it into another file such as `~/SOMETHING.el', byte-compile it,
| and make your `.emacs' file load it with `(load "~/SOMETHING")'.  *Note
| Byte Compilation: (elisp)Byte Compilation, for more information about
| compiling Emacs Lisp programs.			   
| 						     
| * Menu:						   
| 						     
| * Init Syntax::	     Syntax of constants in Emacs Lisp.
| * Init Examples::    How to do some things with an init file.
| * Terminal Init::    Each terminal type can have an init file.
| * Find Init::	     How Emacs finds the init file.
`-----

  Alex> 2.  Where and how can I specify and fine tune it's coloring
  Alex> schemes?

See the variable font-lock-face-attributes.  You can set it like so:

(setq font-lock-face-attributes
      ;   FACE                   FG    BG      BOLD? ITALIC? UNDERLINE?
      '( (font-lock-comment-face nil   "green" nil   t       nil)
         (font-lock-string-face  "red" nil     t     nil     nil)
         ... more lines like this ...
       ) )

For FG and BG, nil means default, for BOLD?, ITALIC? and UNDERLINE?,
nil means no, t means yes.

ATTN you will need a line for *every* (font-lock) face there is, so
you should issue the command M-x list-faces-display RET first, then
scan the resulting list for faces font-lock-FOO-face.  Include a line
for every such face in the statement as shown above.  Using M-x
list-faces-display RET will also help you in more easily identifying
the faces that you're trying to change.

hth,
kai
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In <x74tjwfg9a.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

>>>>>> "CR" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com> writes:

>>> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

>CR> % foreach f (*.C)
>CR> ? echo mv $f ${f:h}.cc
>CR> ? mv $f ${f:h}.cc
>CR> ? end

>Now do it on a single command line so you can enclose it in parentheses
>so as to redirect stdio once for the whole thing as a single command
>rather than mucking around with multiple redirections (which are bad
>enough in csh).

>AFAIK, the only way to do that with csh is to write a script.


If someone asks for help with a mode for perl, tcl, scsh, or
whatever, one should either help them, not attack their choice of
shell.  This is an emacs newsgroup, not comp.lang.csh.jihad.

You're arguing syntax over function.  If you get the same functionality
which you are after (multiple commands executed inside a loop)
then you *are* able to do this.  If you want to be able to do it
using 2>&1 you won't be able to do it because {t,}csh doesn't support
this.  Along the same lines, sh doesn't support bindkey--does that
mean that those who like using sh as their command line shell should
be forced to not use it because it's "inferior"?  And to push it
a step farther, neither sh nor {t,}csh provide support for mapcar,
yet I find them both usable in their appropriate contexts (though
I've stopped using bourne since perl5 does so much more).

On the other hand, if a language has a horribly ugly syntax (and one
has a choice) don't use it.  I find tcl's syntax to be pretty bad so I
tend to write things in C, gawk, scsh, or perl5.  If it's something
simple I'll probably write it in tcsh (depending on the extent of
quoting involved).  If it requires functions, either scsh or perl5.

csh and tcsh are not appropriate for all purposes.  Neither is any
other language, regardless of whether it's a shell language or a
standard programming language.  My objection is that people dismiss
tcsh as not being capable of doing things which it can do simply
because Tom has said that csh can't do certain things.  It *is* a fact
that {t,}csh have syntactical problems, but that doesn't stop (eg) the
tcl fanatics from using tcl (which has syntactical problems) nor does
it stop perl programmers from programming in perl (which is quite
functional, if ugly ;)

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From: nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jason Nordwick)
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Subject: Re: How to Auto-Format C++ Source Code?
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In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
Oscar Figueiredo  <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> wrote:

% Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which is the standard mode for C/C++ in
% XEmacs.

as far as i know, this doesnt format already typed code, if it did, that
would be cool to know...



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From: nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jason Nordwick)
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first, the reason that it was recoloring was because font-lock-mode
will continually color your buffer (actually only the current line
that editing is being done on) when you type certain characters (like
space, semi-colon, braces...etc...) since you had turned on font lock
mode it was recollloring the  buffer ever if hilit-19 was coloring
too... so you kinda needed to turn off font-lock-mode.

In article <NEWTNews.845686529.32645.meiray1@dialup.netvision.net.il>,
 <arier@comverse.com> wrote:

% 1.  What initialization files and at which order/prcedence runs Emacs
%     when it starts? when it loads a file?
% 

it loads the ~/.emacs file on startup of emacs and excutes the commands
sequentially until in encounters and error, then it bails.

on loading a file, it can do manyt things... many times there is a mode
a-list that tells emacs which major mode to change into when a file with
a certain extention is loaded... e.g., when emacs loads a .c file it starts
up c-mode (or cc-mode depending on your setup).  Now all of these
modes have a corresponding hook (c-mode-hook cc-mode-hook) that execute
whenever that mode is invoked... inside of the function, you can have
a bunch of other commands and the such...  one of mine is to turn on
font-lock-mode.

font-lock-mode also has a few of these hooks, actually one for each major
mode that can invoke it... there is a font-lock-mode-hook for c mode (but
i cannt remmeber the naming convention for it) and there is also a
generic-font-lock-mode-hook (i think that is the name)... and the name is
as it implies... every time font-lock-mode is invoked in the c major mode,
it executes that hook, and it executes that generic (common?) hook
every time font lock mode is started...


% 2.  Where and how can I specify and fine tune it's coloring schemes?
% 

the eassier way to learn is to read the font-lock.el file on your system...
it does a decent job of explaining how to add new modes and how to
change the colorization, it also tells how to set up other variables
associated with it...  you can also read the info page for it in emacs
if they are installed...


jay

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In article <om7moolbj2.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
% In article <vafiv898ouj.fsf@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Kai Grossjohann <grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

% Just to expand on this:
%   setenv E /usr/gnu/emacs
%   setenv ES /usr/gnu/emacs/src


HACK!!!... i couldnt think of a worse hack to solve the problem...

write your own load function that takes in a file name and looks for it
in a specified list of paths...

it should be fairly simply...

hey, i think that emacs alrady does this too... its just a matter of
finding the correct list... like the auto-expand list...


jay


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From: nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jason Nordwick)
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Subject: Re: How to Auto-Format C++ Source Code?
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In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
Oscar Figueiredo  <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> wrote:

% Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which is the standard mode for C/C++ in
% XEmacs.

as far as i know, this doesnt format already typed code, if it did, that
would be cool to know...



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From: nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jason Nordwick)
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Subject: Re: How to Auto-Format C++ Source Code?
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In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
Oscar Figueiredo  <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> wrote:

% Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which is the standard mode for C/C++ in
% XEmacs.

as far as i know, this doesnt format already typed code, if it did, that
would be cool to know...



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Greetings,

I am having problems running gnus on xemacs 19.14.  When I use the
toolbar button or type M-x gnus I get the following error message:
(wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")

Turning on debug on error gives the following output:
Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")
  gnus-open-server("news.ml.com" "nntp")
  (cond ((gnus-server-opened) (message "")) ((gnus-open-server
gnus-nntp-server gnus-nntp-service) (message "")) (t (error ...)))
)
  (if (gnus-server-opened) nil (if (or confirm ...) (if
gnus-nntp-service ... ...)) (if (or ... ...) (setq gnus-nntp-server
...)) (cond (... ... ... ...) (... ... ... ...) (t ... ...)) (run-hooks
(quote gnus-open-server-hook)) (cond (... ...) (... ...) (t ...)))
)
  gnus-start-news-server(nil)
  (progn (switch-to-buffer (get-buffer-create gnus-group-buffer))
(gnus-group-mode) (gnus-start-news-server confirm))
)
  (unwind-protect (progn (switch-to-buffer ...) (gnus-group-mode)
(gnus-start-news-server confirm)) (if (not ...) (gnus-group-quit) (setq
mode-line-process ...) (let ... ... ... ...) (run-hooks ...)
(gnus-setup-news) (if gnus-novice-user ...) (gnus-group-list-groups
nil)))
)
  gnus(nil)
  call-interactively(gnus)
  command-execute(gnus t)
  execute-extended-command(nil)
  call-interactively(execute-extended-command)
  recursive-edit()
  byte-code("	! p      +eb `!y`|   @>
etc., etc.....

The name of the server is correct, and I assume that nntp is the
correct method to attach to the news server.  Can anyone provide
any clues as to what may be wrong?

Thanx,

Kevin
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_____________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: How to Auto-Format C++ Source Code? 
In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:22:45 EDT."
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From: "Eeore" <nordwick@XCF.Berkeley.EDU>



Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:22:45 -0400
From: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
Subject: Re: How to Auto-Format C++ Source Code?
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs

)     Jason> In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
)     Jason> Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
)     Jason> wrote:
) 
)     Jason> % Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which
)     Jason> is the standard mode for C/C++ in XEmacs.
) 
)     Jason> as far as i know, this doesnt format already
)     Jason> typed code, if it did, that would be cool to
)     Jason> know...
) 
) C-x h M-x indent-region RET
) 
) -Pez


ummm.. nope... guess again... that will only indent, it will not
reformat code to conform to coding standards, such as where braces go
and when to use braces, spacing, blah blah blah...

of course it would be cool to make a program that does this and also
does const placement and checking.... that would be cool.



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    Jason> In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
    Jason> Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
    Jason> wrote:

    Jason> % Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which
    Jason> is the standard mode for C/C++ in XEmacs.

    Jason> as far as i know, this doesnt format already
    Jason> typed code, if it did, that would be cool to
    Jason> know...

C-x h M-x indent-region RET

-Pez

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Bruce Sams wrote:

> I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
> with X support.  One unifying application seems to be missing from
> the standard tool reprtoire: a programming environment.  I like
> using gcc, emacs, makefiles and X, but wonder if anyone out there
> has seen a programming environment which allows one to bind them
> all together.  I have found one such tool, called xwpe, which models
> the Borland c++ environment.  However the editor is built in and
> fixed.
> 
> Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
> manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to
> connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
> is a cross-group posting.

HP's SoftBench product does a pretty nice job of integrating all
the features you mentioned.  It can integrate with any editor on
a file-by-file basis, but you get even better integration if you
use emacs, XEmacs or one of SoftBench's built-in editors (it comes
with two editors.  One has emacs keybindings, and the other is vi
with a GUI).

In addition, it also comes with nice debugging, profiling, cross-
referencing, static analysis, and automatic makefile generation
tools to name a few.  And they're all nicely integrated into the
SoftBench GUI / development environment.

-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
Software Engineer, HP Graphics Software Lab.

->-----------------------------------------------------------------
-> "I haven't commented the source code particularly well, but
->  according to the MS Word grammar-checker, it's written at the
->  eigth-grade level, so you shouldn't have too much trouble going
->  through it."
-> 
-> Robert Polic, Be Inc.

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Jason Nordwick (nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
> as far as i know, this doesnt format already typed code, if it did, that
> would be cool to know...

It depends on what you call `formatting'.  You can indent every line
in the buffer as if you went line by line and pressed TAB, with
`C-x h M-x indent-region'.

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Is there a library that supports "dead keys" for entering accented
characters under XEmacs?  I need something where the accent is entered
BEFORE the letter to be accented (i.e. 'e => e-acute).

With Emacs, the library iso-acc did just that, but there is nothing
similar in the XEmacs 19.14 distribution.  I also checked the manual
and the elisp archive.


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Also, Esc-/ (dabbrev-expand)

For all key bindings, C-h b
(a little better than random combinations, but perhaps less fun ;)

Also, check out the etags program (comes with XEmacs).  Then you could use
M-. (find-tag) with point on function to take you to the function-definition.

root@phat.resnet.ubc.ca (Jeff) writes:

> >ok, a friend (who lives emacs) once told me that emacs did
> >function/variable completion while in c-mode, apparently
> >this is a loaded thing?  Was he full of shit or can I get
> >something that will figure out function/var names and allow
> >me to do some sort of name completion on the fly with them?
> 
> aha! whilst poking away trying random key combinations (;))
> I discovered that M-C-/ does name completion.....
> :)

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cb (C beautifier) comes to mind.  It does some "stylistic" formatting of C
code.  Not sure if this is extensible to C++ or a modified version of cb
exists to format C++ source code.

cb is a standard utility on most UNIX systems, I believe.

"Eeore" <nordwick@XCF.Berkeley.EDU> writes:

> From: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
> 
> )     Jason> In article <o973ezc1jxs.fsf@lspsun16.epfl.ch>,
> )     Jason> Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch>
> )     Jason> wrote:
> ) 
> )     Jason> % Use (and optionnaly customize) cc-mode which
> )     Jason> is the standard mode for C/C++ in XEmacs.
> ) 
> )     Jason> as far as i know, this doesnt format already
> )     Jason> typed code, if it did, that would be cool to
> )     Jason> know...
> ) 
> ) C-x h M-x indent-region RET
> ) 
> ) -Pez
> 
> 
> ummm.. nope... guess again... that will only indent, it will not
> reformat code to conform to coding standards, such as where braces go
> and when to use braces, spacing, blah blah blah...
> 
> of course it would be cool to make a program that does this and also
> does const placement and checking.... that would be cool.
> 
> 

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

Richard> Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is
Richard> accessible localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote
Richard> machine running the server? This is the typical case when
Richard> used with mail programs that invoke gnuclient with a file in
Richard> /tmp or so which of course is not nfs-mounted on any other
Richard> machine.

sb> You ought to be able to use ange-ftp to get at those files.  You
sb> could also try reconfiguring the temporary file directory around
sb> to an NFS mounted disk.

Richard> would gnuclient understand a filename like /$HOST:path?

It doesn't look like ange-ftp can handle it, so I would be very
surprised if gnuclient could.

The interaction between variable expansion in filenames and ange-ftp
is unclean.  Ange-ftp intercepts file names before they get passed to
the lower layers of XEmacs, and the lower layers of XEmacs are where
variables get expanded.  Right now, you just can't do both.

You might try looking at gnudoit which will let you send arbitrary
lisp commands, and give you more flexibility.

sb> I believe ange-ftp or efs is adequate to the task.

Richard> Never heard of "efs", I will have a look into the FAQ :-)

There's nothing about efs in the FAQ other than noting the possibility
it may be included in 19.15.  (Sorry).
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>>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrv> BTW, why doesn't XEmacs dired highlight the files by default
Hrv> (different colors for different files)?

I use:
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              '(lambda ()
                 (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
                 (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
                 (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
              t)

We probably should either default it, or put it into the sample.emacs.
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>>>>> "sb" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

Following up to my own post to correct a typo. :-(

sb> I use:
sb> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
sb>           '(lambda ()
sb>              (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
sb>              (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
sb>              (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
sb>           t)

Oops.  Friends don't let friends quote lambda functions.  I really meant:

(add-hook 'dired-load-hook
          (lambda ()
            (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
            (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
            (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
          t)

Sorry.
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>>>>> "Harald" == Harald Kuester <haku@force.de> writes:

Harald> I just compiled the Xemacs 19.14 on a SUN (Solaris 2.4, SUN4M)
Harald> with the GNU

Harald> 	Wrong type argument: stringp, nil 

This sounds like the known problem of having a naked colon at the
beginning or end of $PATH.

You shouldn't have `.' in the PATH, but if you must use `.:' at the
beginning of the PATH, or `:.' at the end.  This problem has been
fixed for 19.15.
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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Hi out there in Xemacs Land,

I have a question that maybe someone has already figured out...

I am running Xemacs 19.14 under HPUX 10.10.  We have the HP C/ANSI C
Developer's Kit on our system which includes the HP/DDE debugger.  This
debugger includes aliases to make it xdb compatible and a set of macros
to make it dbx compatible. 

Now for the question: Can I use Xemacs to 'drive' the debugger by
setting it up to emulate one of these other debuggers? or does someone
have an Xemacs routine to integrate the HP debugger?

THANKS!!!

Darren Toler
d.toler@jsc.nasa.gov
kittiara@ghgcorp.com

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Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

> I am having problems running gnus on xemacs 19.14.  When I use the
> toolbar button or type M-x gnus I get the following error message:
> (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")
> 
> Turning on debug on error gives the following output:
> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")
>   gnus-open-server("news.ml.com" "nntp")
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[...]

>   gnus-start-news-server(nil)

This can't be found in the Gnus 5.2 version of Gnus, so you probably
have an old version of this function defined somewhere.  
`C-h f gnus-start-news-server RET' should probably tell you where it's
defined.

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

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From: "Eric S. Riseman" <eric@intrinsa.com>
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Hi,
I am using xemacs-19.13 under TriTeals TED 4.0.  I am running sol2.4
on a RDI Powerlite.

When bringing up a session, I get the following warnings:
(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a italic version of
"-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

In My .emacs file, I have the following set:
(make-face 'bold-italic)
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'bold-italic 'font)
'((global (nil . "-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-xs*-*...))))
---> and other such declarations.

When I do a xlsfonts under openwin - no "dt" fonts exist.
When I do a xlsfonts under TED - there are "dt" fonts.

Any Ideas as to what is going on here???????
Why can I not find this font which is apparetly valid (so sayeth 
xslfonts) ????

Thanks in advance....
ESR

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From: Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>
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Subject: Re: Viper distribution?
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evan@cyber2.servtech.com (evan cheng) writes:

> Where can I find the complete distribution of Viper, including
> documentation?

in any emacs 19.30 and later and xemacs 19.13 and later.


Michael Kifer
kifer@cs.sunysb.edu

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From: Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>
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ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn) writes:

> 
> Is there a way to have Xemacs automatically start up in Viper mode?
> (Please, no vi vs. emacs flames)
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave.


(require 'viper)




Michael Kifer
kifer@cs.sunysb.edu
http:/www.cs.sunysb.edu/~kifer/  

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Srinivas Maddhi (smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu) wrote:
> cb (C beautifier) comes to mind.  It does some "stylistic" formatting of C
> code.  Not sure if this is extensible to C++ or a modified version of cb
> exists to format C++ source code.
> cb is a standard utility on most UNIX systems, I believe.

It is better to use indent, which is also standard, much better, and
later versions of which support C++.

-- 
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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> I use:
>     (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
>               '(lambda ()
>                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
>                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
>                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
>               t)

YES!  It works.

> We probably should either default it, or put it into the
> sample.emacs.

I vote for default.  We can put in the sample.emacs how to disable
it. :))

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Steven L Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Following up to my own post to correct a typo. :-(

Why?  The post was correct.  You may either use
(add-hook 'name '(lambda ...))

or

(add-hook 'name (function (lambda ...)))

They are the same thing -- quotes in this case serve as a shorthand to
'function, just like quotes in '(1 2 3) are short for (list 1 2 3).

-- 
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "H" == H M Chen <H.M.Chen@durham.ac.uk> writes:

H> Dear Netters,

H>   I tried to install Xemacs-19.14 on a i386 machine with
H> i386-unknown-bsdi1.1 operating system. When I trun "configure" file, there
H> is an error message shown as:

H> src/config.h is unchanged
H> creating src/Makefile
H> Memory fault - core dumped

H> Does any one help me solve this problem?

Is the core file coming from sed?  You might try switching versions of
it and see if that helps.  Otherwise it sounds like you have a system
problem.

GNU sed version 2.05 is known to work (later versions are extremely
bloated pigs and hardly worth using).
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>>>>> "Christophe" == Christophe Beljouani (Toulouse) <chbe@sweng.stortek.com> writes:

Christophe> Hello 

Christophe> Does anyone know if the next version of xemacs (19.15)
Christophe> will, in the HTML mode, support HTML 3.x and at least, the
Christophe> frames (which appeared in html 3.x but i'm not sure of
Christophe> that)

The frame stuff first appears in html-cougar, and was introduced on
Wednesday 12-July-1996, so it couldn't have been included in XEmacs
19.14.  The html-cougar dtd is currently included with XEmacs 19.15,
but due to the use of multibyte characters and the way psgml mode is
coded, doesn't work.

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: GNUS problem
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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

Kevin> Greetings,
Kevin> I am having problems running gnus on xemacs 19.14.  When I use the
Kevin> toolbar button or type M-x gnus I get the following error message:
Kevin> (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")

Kevin> Turning on debug on error gives the following output:
Kevin> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp "nntp")
Kevin>   gnus-open-server("news.ml.com" "nntp")


If this advice doesn't help, I encourage you to submit the same bug
report to the Gnus Towers with C-c C-b.


It sounds like you have misconfigured your gnus-select-method.

It should look like:
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.ml.com"))

and not:
(setq gnus-select-method '("nntp" "news.ml.com"))

I'm guessing the latter is how you are currently configured.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
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>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Folske <kafolske@pefs1.micron.com> writes:

Keith> I am trying to put xemacs into c++-mode when a .c file is opened.
Keith> I am using the auto-mode-alist command, but the additions are not placed
Keith> at the beginning of the list even when I use 'cons'.

Keith> Xemacs seems to be adding these file types before the .emacs file is
Keith> read:

Keith> The code in the .emacs file looks like this:

Keith> (setq auto-mode-alist
Keith>      (cons auto-mode-alist
Keith> 	(list
Keith> 	        '("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.t$" . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.c$"  . c++-mode)
Keith> 		'("\\.h$"  . c++-mode)
Keith> 		auto-mode-alist))
Keith> )

Keith> Help, I'm conused!

Your use of cons is incorrect for what you're trying to achieve.  Try
something like this instead:

(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append (list '("\\.C\\'"  . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.cc\\'" . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.t\\'" . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.hh\\'" . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.c\\'"  . c++-mode)
		    '("\\.h\\'"  . c++-mode))
 	      auto-mode-alist))

Note that you should also prefer the use of \' (\\' when it appears in
a Lisp string) instead of $ when matching the end of a string.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
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>>>>> "Lee" == Lee E Brotzman <leb@vicon.net> writes:

Lee> I have a problem with viewing LaTeX documents under Xemacs that
Lee> does not arise under GNU Emacs.  ...

Lee> Under GNU Emacs, xdvi will automatically detect that the dvi file
Lee> created by the tex-buffer command (C-c C-b) has changed, and the
Lee> screen will update itself when I bring the xdvi window to the
Lee> foreground.  It doesn't work this way under Xemacs, however.

Try the attached patch to tex-mode.el and see if it helps.

To apply the patch, cd to the directory where tex-mode.el lives, and
execute the command ``patch -p0 << this-news-article''  (the patch
program should be somewhere in your PATH).

Replace ``this-news-article'' with the filename containing this article.

Then byte compile tex-mode.el with:

xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile tex-mode.el

And restart XEmacs.

Alternatively, if you can't patch it, replace the XEmacs tex-print
function in tex-mode.el with the function in tex-mode.el in the GNU
Emacs 19.34 distribution, and rebytecompile and restart.

*** tex-mode.el~	Fri Mar 24 16:27:11 1995
--- tex-mode.el	Sat Oct 19 11:42:49 1996
***************
*** 807,815 ****
    (let ((print-file-name-dvi (tex-append tex-print-file ".dvi"))
  	test-name)
      (if (and (not (equal (current-buffer) tex-last-buffer-texed))
  	     (file-newer-than-file-p
  	      (setq test-name (tex-append (buffer-file-name) ".dvi"))
! 	      print-file-name-dvi))
  	(setq print-file-name-dvi test-name))
      (if (not (file-exists-p print-file-name-dvi))
          (error "No appropriate `.dvi' file could be found")
--- 807,817 ----
    (let ((print-file-name-dvi (tex-append tex-print-file ".dvi"))
  	test-name)
      (if (and (not (equal (current-buffer) tex-last-buffer-texed))
+ 	     (buffer-file-name)
+ 	     ;; Check that this buffer's printed file is up to date.
  	     (file-newer-than-file-p
  	      (setq test-name (tex-append (buffer-file-name) ".dvi"))
! 	      (buffer-file-name)))
  	(setq print-file-name-dvi test-name))
      (if (not (file-exists-p print-file-name-dvi))
          (error "No appropriate `.dvi' file could be found")

-- 
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In article <548jnb$j4d@agate.berkeley.edu> nordwick@graft.XCF.Berkeley.EDU (Jason Nordwick) writes:

> %   setenv ES /usr/gnu/emacs/src
> HACK!!!... i couldnt think of a worse hack to solve the problem...

And why is that? God gaveth thou the unix environment to use and enjoy!

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-- 
 Amadeus <mobody@my.house> wrote in article
<01bbb8c2$48e5b340$b04cfccd@zook.exis.net>...
 I just read an article in an internet newsgroup describing how
 to make $50,000.00 in only one month from a $5.00 investment.
 
 Of course I thought this was rediculous ,or some type of pyramid.
 I talked it over with my family, an attorney, and my friends, and
 they all agreed it was some sort of scam.I hate scams because
 usually someone gets burned, and I didn't want it to be me!
 I blew it off for a few weeks then saw another one in a
 newsgroup I go to alot and thought, "Maybe this is legitimate!".
 Besides, whats $5.00 , I spend more than that in the morning on
 my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day.
 
 Well, two weeks later,I began recieving money in the mail!
 I couldn't believe it! Not just a little , I mean big bucks!
 At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a
 couple of thousand , then BOOM . By the end of the fourth
 week , I had recieved nearly $29,000.00. It came from all
 over the world.And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had
 enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.
 
 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.
 Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks.  Dave Manning claims
 he made $53,664 in the same amount of time.  Dan Shepstone says it was
 only $17,000 for him.  Do I know these folks?  No, but when I read how
 they say they did it, it made sense to me.  Enough sense that I'm
 taking a similar chance with $5 of my own money.  Not a big chance, I
 admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone
 ever invests in this system.  Period.  That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan
 invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each,
 in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way.  Here's how it works in 3
 easy steps:
 
 STEP 1.
 
 Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate
 pieces of paper along with the words, "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING
 LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone;
 you're paying for a legitimate service.)  Fold a $1 bill, money order,
 or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail
 to the following five addresses: (Remember: It costs more to send a
 letter to Europe, Asia or so)
 
  1.   Kristoffer Hochnowski
        Peter Ostbyes gt.8
        3014 Drammen
        Norway
 
  2.    Kevin Marshall
        2320 Crystal Downs Ct.
        Oxnard, CA 93030
        USA
 
 3.   Robbie Taylor
       3104 Sherry Dr.
       Raliegh, NC 27604
       USA 
 
  4.  Erik Platte 
       26 Bolling Road
       Portsmouth, VA 23701

  5.  Ming-huang Yang
	8F-7 No.274 Jiing-Shinq Rd.
	taipei, 117 
	Taiwan	  

 STEP 2.
 
     Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
     other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
     Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.
 
 STEP 3.
 
     Post the article to at least 200 newsgroups. There are at
     least 17000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
     Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can.Remember
     the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
     article and send you cash!
 
 STEP 4.
 
      You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
      returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the internet is new
      and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
     Now here is how and why this system works:
 
     Out of every block of 200 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
     Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
     money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
     Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 200
     additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings.On
     average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
     #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
     Now these 50 new people will make 200 postings each with your
     name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
     They make 200 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
     postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
     Finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings each with your name at
     #1 and you get a return of $50,000 before your name drops off
     the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 200
     postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
     From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
     you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.
 
     REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
     NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE MONEY!
     GOOD LUCK TO ALL,AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
     WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

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Hello,

I have in .emacs:

(setq line-number-mode t)

which places the line number on the modeline, like:  ---L12---

Now, what I can't seem to get to work is:

=================================================================
column-number-mode
  Command: Toggle Column Number mode.
  Variable: *Non-nil means display column number in modeline.
  Plist: 1 property (variable-documentation)

column-number-mode: (arg)
  -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
Toggle Column Number mode.
With arg, turn Column Number mode on iff arg is positive.
When Column Number mode is enabled, the column number appears
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=================================================================


I have tried placing ~/.emacs:

	(setq column-number-mode t)

and interactive

	M-x column-number-mode

Yet there is no ----L23--C25-- on the modeline (or however it
is presented)


Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Please 'CC:' reply to:  naderr@usa.net


ps: What MIME package does xemacs-19.15 come with? I still get
metamail with content-type this n that in it ... ;))))


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I tried to create a file ".netrc" in a remote host using ange-ftp in
XEmacs. The file was there after I saved it but with permission
"rw-rw-rw-"!! Thank god, I saw it immediately and removed permission to
"go". Is there something that I can set in XEmacs or somewhere so that
whenever I create files in a remote host using XEmacs it will have
permission "rw-------" (600). That is, something similar to "umask 077"
in tcsh. Thanks. I do not know Lisp!

Anand

PS: Send me an email too, please.
-- 
Anand Pillai
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[Yes, the FAQ has been updated this month.  I've removed some old
questions, added some new ones, and no doubt haven't covered properly
material that should be covered.  I'm open to any reasonable
suggestion as to shortening the length, or adding new material. -sb]


                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   
   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented
   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 6 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   
   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It
   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot
   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   
   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the
   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   
What's changed since last time?

    1. Added a question regarding counting lines in the .signature.
    2. Updated some of the ftp mirror locations.
       
   This file was last modified on October 19, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version? [updated]
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs? [updated]
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work [updated]
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus?
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster? [updated]
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work
          + Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures.
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories.
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
          + Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?
          + Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?
          + Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't
          + Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy?
    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages? [updated]
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible? [updated]
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering
          + Q4.8 Procmail and Gnus [new]
          + Q4.9 Getting new mail, but not new news [new]
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                1. Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus? [updated]

   There are many different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.40. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   
   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it. Gnus 5.2.38 aka Gnus 5.3 is
   included in Emacs 19.32. Gnus 5.0.15 is the most recent version that
   will work with old emacsen like XEmacs 19.13.
   
   Gnus 5.2.25 is included standard with XEmacs 19.14.
   
   Red Gnus is the latest developmental version, and will have version
   numbers of 5.4 & 5.5 when released. It has lots of new stuff in it,
   including new backends for using search engines like Dejanews as a
   source of articles. Since it's developmental code, do not expect it to
   be stable.
   
   As of October 17, Red Gnus is in feature freeze, and the expected
   release date of Gnus 5.4 is late December.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also
   fetch it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/ifi.uio.no/>,
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   
   Or, get it from the South American mirror:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/news.software/gnus/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need? [updated]

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   
   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.14 or later.
   
   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   
   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   
   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file.
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I
   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   
   Ron Forrester <rjf@infograph.com> writes:
   With the release of GNU Emacs 19.31, Microsoft Windows '95 & NT users
   no longer need nttcp.exe as Emacs now has open-network-stream built
   in.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL:mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   
   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs? [updated]

   You don't. Gnus is distributed with both emacsen, use the version of
   Gnus that comes with your emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.
   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   
   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as
   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives
   is provided by Gnus.
   
   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   
   This mailing list is mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August 1995, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   
   There is a bidirectional Usenet gateway to the mailing list at:
   <URL:news://sunsite.auc.dk/emacs.ding>.
   
   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL:http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   
   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   
   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   
   Gnus has a write up in the comp.windows.x.apps FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   
   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical
   source is in Norway at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are three mirrors in the United States:
   <URL:http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL:http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   
   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL:http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   
   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work [updated]

   You are attempting to use the mailcrypt 3.4 distribution with Gnus
   5.3. Mailcrypt 3.4 needs some minor patches to work with Gnus 5.[23],
   that are present in the version of mailcrypt distributed with XEmacs
   19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus?

  Mailcrypt
  
   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs
   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL:http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   
  Tools for Mime
  
   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   To use with Gnus add the line
(load "mime-setup")

   to your .gnus file.
   
  Group Lens
  
   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its own
   FAQ at <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   
  Insidious Big Brother Database
  
   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie
   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/bbdb/>. You should also pick up
   gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds:
   <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   Please note that work is underway for a new version of bbdb that
   contains gnus-bbdb.el.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster? [updated]

   Make sure you kill your unsubscribed groups. This will make Gnus start
   much faster, and keep your .newsrc file sizes down to boot.
   
   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going
   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to
   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   
   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been
   replaced with message-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?

   There are a variety of ways, all documented in the Gnus user's manual.
   
    1. (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.somewhere.edu"))
    2. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))
    3. If gnus-select-method is not set, Gnus will take a look at the
       NNTPSERVER environment variable. If that variable isn't set, Gnus
       will see whether gnus-nntpserver-file (/etc/nntpserver by default)
       has any opinions on the matter. If that fails as well, Gnus will
       will try to use the machine that is running Emacs as an NNTP
       server.
    4. If gnus-nntp-server is set, this variable will override
       gnus-select-method. You should therefore set gnus-nntp-server to
       nil, which is what it is by default.
    5. You can also make Gnus prompt you interactively for the name of an
       NNTP server. If you give a non-numerical prefix to gnus (i.e., C-u
       M-x gnus), Gnus will let you choose between the servers in the
       gnus-secondary-servers list (if any).
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   
   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use
   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   
   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will
   be called to do the job.
   
   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty
   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   
  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  
   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  
   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  
(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  
   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  
   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  
   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   
  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  
   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  
   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   
    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       
   That's it.
   
   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summary
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   
   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry
   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir))))
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir file))
                ))))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably
   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   
   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   
   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original
   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   
   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location
   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   
   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   
   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          
   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          
   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          
   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          
   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them>
   
   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       
   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:BR> It's quite
   difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with the entire
   range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to work quite
   well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds), but if you
   use mid-range background colours, you have to do some fiddling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?

   Just change it in the message buffer.
   
   Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> writes:
   The original poster wants to correct a broken Sender: line. If the
   value that Emacs computes is wrong, (mine is wrong too BTW) then
   making a right one is better, no?
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   No. If you think it serves a useful purpose for the user to change the
   value of the Sender field, then you do not understand the purpose of
   that field.
   
   The Sender field contains the following information: The user has
   customized the from address. Here is the original, uncustomized value.
   Thus, if you customize the Sender field in any way, it will be wrong.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
   
   Please note that this also works with ISO-Latin 1 characters like:
(setq user-full-name "Finn Hkansson")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't

   Check for blank lines at the end. Blank lines count as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy?

   The Fcc: field still works:
(setq message-default-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool\n")
(setq message-default-mail-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-mail.spool\n")
(setq message-default-news-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-news.spool\n")

   Another possibility is to use the Gcc: header:
(setq gnus-message-archive-method
  `(nnfolder
    "archive"
    (nnfolder-directory ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive"))
    (nnfolder-active-file
     ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive/active"))
    (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
    (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
  '((if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail")))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3. Reading News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?

   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters
   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   
     * send mail to <URL:mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web:
       <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>
       .
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to
   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   
   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   
   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   
   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes:
   Just use C-u SPC or C-u RET for entering the group.
   
   Gnus 5.4 has a more convenient mechanism whereby you can mark
   individual groups so that they will always show previously read mail
   with:

(display . all)

   in the group parameters.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   
   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   
   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.
   
   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles
   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   
   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                4. Reading Mail
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   
   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   
   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,
   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been
   placed in.
   
   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   
   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible [updated]

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   
   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   
   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   I've added a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable to match
   groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there are unread
   articles in the groups or not. I've also added a visible group
   parameter that will have the same effect.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   
   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   
   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   
   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking
   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the
   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked
   as read in the renumbered group.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.8 Procmail and Gnus [new]

   Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:
   With procmail, you cannot write directly into the nnml directories.
   You must create spool files that will be merged into the nnml
   directories at times of Gnus' choosing. Asynch delivery just isn't in
   the cards.
   
   I just posted my setup a week ago. Here it is one more time:
(setq
 gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
 nnmail-use-procmail t
 nnmail-spool-file 'procmail            ; same as nnmail-use-procmail :-)
 nnmail-procmail-directory "~/.incoming/"
 nnmail-delete-incoming t
)

   And then I have procmail deliver to ~/.incoming/inbox.spool and
   ~/.incoming/list.traffic.spool and so on. The name before .spool
   becomes the nnml: folder in which the stuff will end up.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.9 Getting new mail, but not new news [new]

   The standard technique is to place all your mail groups at levels 1 or
   level 2. Then you can do a 2 g, or 1 g which will then only fetch new
   mail and not bother with new news.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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Hi,


Does column-number-mode work?

I have in ~/.emacs:

;; line number
(setq line-number-mode t)
;; column number 
(setq column-number-mode t)


but I only get the ---L12--- line number ... no columns

I also tried: M-x column-number-mode


TIA,

	Rob -


Please 'CC:' me a reply ....

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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@dca2.nse.com.au> writes:

root> Now, what I can't seem to get to work is:

root> =================================================================
root> column-number-mode
root>   Command: Toggle Column Number mode.

root> column-number-mode: (arg)
root>   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.


root> I have tried placing ~/.emacs:

root> 	(setq column-number-mode t)

root> and interactive

root> 	M-x column-number-mode

root> Yet there is no ----L23--C25-- on the modeline (or however it
root> is presented)


root> Any ideas greatly appreciated.

root> Please 'CC:' reply to:  naderr@usa.net

I just posted the solution to this problem a week ago.

Quoting from:
Date: 12 Oct 1996 22:20:51 -0700
Message-ID: <m23ezjl9sc.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>
Subject: Re: How to set line/column number to start from 1?
 ...
This appears to be a problem with XEmacs 19.14.  There is no column
number because there is no magic in the default modeline-format to
deal with it.

If you haven't touched the modeline-format variable, you can put this
in your .emacs: (This will make it match the setting it will have in
19.15)

(cl-set-nthcdr 11
               modeline-format
               '((column-number-mode "C%c--") (-3 . "%p") "-%-"))


root> ps: What MIME package does xemacs-19.15 come with? I still get
root> metamail with content-type this n that in it ... ;))))

tm, Tools for MIME will be bundled with XEmacs 19.15.
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Try M-x display-column-mode instead.

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Hi!
	Where can I get (are there any?) modes for writing YACC and
LEX stuff?

	Thanks,
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I'm having a problem with pre-compiled 19.14 crashing out with buffers
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suggestions....
thanks
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2 problems
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thanks
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Gary Ebert <gary@duckboy.rdss.com> writes:
> 	First let me say that I'm not an expert at setting up emacs. I am
> having trouble getting ispell to load properly.  I have ispell.el and
> ispell.elc in my /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ directory
> but I seem to be unabel to use it.  Every time I use the menu to spell
> check the documents I'm editing emacs responds with "Searching for
> program: no such file or directory, ispell".  I have run dired on
> /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.11/lisp/packages/ and then ran
> update-directory-autoloads.  In a fit of despiration I even copied the
> loaddefs.el into my .emacs file with no luck.

Did you doublecheck, that "ispell" is actually available on your
system? It should be in one of the standard directories (I assume,
XEmacs searches along the $PATH environment variable, but I am not
100% certain). On my system, it is installed in /usr/bin/ispell. I
have "International Ispell Version 3.1.18 01/14/95", but other
versions might work as well. Also, make sure that you installed all of
the dictionaries that you intend to use.



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From: Andrew Thompson <at4@oak73.doc.ic.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Incorporating Xemacs into another application
Date: 20 Oct 1996 14:18:46 -0700
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OK, further to my earlier question about using X?emacs from within another
application, a couple of people have kindly suggested that I use Xemacs as an
X widget and integrate it that way.
This sounds like it could be what we want but I'm afraid I can't find any
documentation for this idea - can any one point me at some concrete info on 
this please? Anything will do. The project is still at the specification stage
but we really need to have a working prototype in 2-3 weeks so I'm going to 
have to put some serious work in. I need to know if emacs is the way to go or 
whether we need to look at another text editor.

To those that replied to my earlier vague message
(steve@miranova.com and stephene@cogs.susx.ac.uk) cheers!
Here are some more details, if anyone thinks they can help - or can foresee a 
serious problem in going with emacs please tell me. We're still casting about
for ideas here.

The first stage of the project involves combining a text editor and a dvi
viewer into one application (we figure Xemacs and a customised version of 
xdvi).

The idea is to have one large window split into 2. On the left, a text editor
will be used to input LaTex code. A large and rather obviously labelled
'Update' button will be used by the user to compile the LaTex and the result
(the contents of the dvi file that resulted from the compilation) will be 
displayed in the right hand window - in other words a kind of WYSIWYG LaTex 
editor.
(for anyone who is interested phase 2 involves introducing checkpoints into the
LaTex compilation process so we can speed it up by only compiling those parts
of the Latex source file that have changed - this will speed things up further
towards a true WYSIWYG system)

We're thinking of using Tcl/Tk to build the application (either directly or 
as a library with the code written in C).

Ok, what I need to know is can anyone point me in the direction of any example
code that uses Emacs as an embedded editor?
Can anyone see any major pitfalls in this (admittedly naive and initial) 
strategy? e.g. will using th Tcl/Tk library preclude the integration of Xemacs
as an X widget?

Any help would be brilliant thanx.
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Subject: Problems with xemacs binaries for linux
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When i try to run xemacs binaries i have found in ftp sites, i'm always
getting the same note:
xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
Segmentation fault


Can anyone help ?

I'm running Linux slackware 3.0.0 with gcc 2.7.0 + elf support.

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From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Request for psgml-mode (xemacs) help
Date: 20 Oct 1996 17:45:25 -0700
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I'd like to try psgml-mode for xemacs as a means of creating HTML
documents. I currently use html-helper-mode, but I understand that
psgml-mode offers some benefits over html-helper-mode:

  o Using the proper DTD, only the valid tags are available, based on
    document context.
  o (I think) it does superior fontification, indentation than
    html-helper-mode. (I base this only on
    http://www.XEmacs.org/faq/wingpsgml-mode.gif and what I've read in
    comp.emacs.xemacs.)
  o It is possible to use it with an external tool -- sgmls -- for document
    authentification.

I haven't tried it yet. In fact, I'm a bit overwhelmed by the info pages.

Could someone please offer a Gentle Introduction to psgml-mode in xemacs?
Steven Baur: I propose that such an intro would be a nice addition to the
Xemacs FAQ.

I am not interested in other DTD's beyond HTML right now. What I would like
to edit HTML documents using a DTD that supports some of the newer tags in
HTML. Is there such a thing as a Netscape DTD?

I'd like to see examples of useful initialization code for psgml-mode, for
instance:

  o How do I cause psgml-mode to be the default mode whenever I open a file
    ending in .htm*?
  o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in .htm* have
    the "proper" header and footer information inserted? (By proper, I mean
    things like the SGML declaration, document type, local variables,
    etc. I did something like this in html-helper-mode with
    (setq html-helper-build-new-buffer t).)
  o How do I set up psgml-mode to use a DTD? Where do I put it? Do I need
    to add new DTD's (are they files, or... ?) to my pc for things like
    HTML 3.0 or Netscape extensions?
  o How do I get psgml to automatically fontify an HTML document and use
    auto-indenting?
  o How do I set up validation for an HTML document?
  o What are some neat tricks for psgml-mode? (What I mean are things like
    useful fonts, menu items, bindings, settings, etc.)

What's the difference between psgml-mode:

  http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html

...and "Wing-enhanced" psgml-mode? Is the one that comes with xemacs 19.14
substantially different from the one referenced by the above URL? How so?

Can I use the information on these two pages to configure psgml-mode in
xemacs?

  http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html
  http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html

Is there a FAQ, HOWTO or beginner's introduction for psgml-mode anywhere,
besides the info pages for psgml-mode that come with xemacs? The info pages
seem to assume a familiarity with SGML -- I'm honestly befuddled by them.

I'd be glad to encapsulate what I learn about psgml-mode & xemacs on a web
page for public consumption, assuming I do learn something. :-)

Thanks for reading this far!

morgan
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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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Subject: Re: Problems with xemacs binaries for linux
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>>>>> "root" == root  <root@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN> writes:

root> When i try to run xemacs binaries i have found in ftp sites, i'm always
root> getting the same note:
root> xemacs: can't resolve symbol '_h_errno'
root> Segmentation fault


root> Can anyone help ?

Your C Libraries are too old, and you need to upgrade them.  (Note:
libc-5.4.7 has some very bad bugs in it, don't use it, libc-5.4.9 is
O.K.).

root> I'm running Linux slackware 3.0.0 with gcc 2.7.0 + elf support.

Please read the XEmacs FAQ for full details:
	http://www.miranova.com/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_8

You might consider taking a look at your netnews installation as
well.
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From: Mike Ashley <mike@einstein.anu.edu.au>
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Subject: XEMACS 19.14 crashing in commandline mode
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I am running xemacs on an SGI indigo with IRIX 5.3 and whenever I try
to use xemacs from either telnet or another vt100 terminal (all non X
windows) the program crashes or it gets as far as wrting the
introduction screen and then complains with

xemacs: select failed errno:9 followed by

Autosaving and exiting...

overwriting the intro screen.

I obtained the precomplied binaries from www.xemacs.com and everything
works fine in X windows. Also everything has been set up in the ideal
directory structure.

	What's wrong and how do I fix it?

	Mike Ashley (mike@einstein.anu.edu.au)

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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Anand" == Anand Pillai <anand@ERC.MsState.Edu> writes:

Anand> I tried to create a file ".netrc" in a remote host using
Anand> ange-ftp in XEmacs. The file was there after I saved it but
Anand> with permission "rw-rw-rw-"!! Thank god, I saw it immediately
Anand> and removed permission to "go". Is there something that I can
Anand> set in XEmacs or somewhere so that whenever I create files in a
Anand> remote host using XEmacs it will have permission "rw-------"
Anand> (600). That is, something similar to "umask 077" in
Anand> tcsh. Thanks. I do not know Lisp!

Yikes!  That's a feature.  Try this:

(add-hook 'ange-ftp-process-startup-hook
	  (lambda ()
	    (ange-ftp-raw-send-cmd proc "umask 077")))

This will set your umask to something sensible at connect time to an
ftp server.
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From: evan@cyber2.servtech.com (evan cheng)
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Hi,

I would like to set tab-width to 4 automatically when starting xemacs.
I included the following line in .emacs which I thought would do the
trick: (setq tab-width 4)  But it dosen't. I still have not set the
variable once I loaded up xemacs.

Help please.

Evan
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From: Philippe Gaudin <Philippe.Gaudin@eurocontrol.be>
Date: 21 Oct 1996 08:46:34 +0200
In-Reply-To: Martin Boyer's message of Fri, 18 Oct 1996 21:45:58 GMT
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"Martin" =3D=3D Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> writes:

 Martin> Is there a library that supports "dead keys" for entering accented
 Martin> characters under XEmacs?  I need something where the accent is ent=
ered
 Martin> BEFORE the letter to be accented (i.e. 'e =3D> e-acute).

 Martin> With Emacs, the library iso-acc did just that, but there is nothin=
g
 Martin> similar in the XEmacs 19.14 distribution.  I also checked the manu=
al
 Martin> and the elisp archive.

Try /lispx11/x-compose.el

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>>>>> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>:

> Could someone please offer a Gentle Introduction to psgml-mode in xemacs?

Well, this one is for GNU Emacs, but it should be able to answer many
of the questions below
	<URL:http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html>

[snip!]
>   o How do I cause psgml-mode to be the default mode whenever I open a file
>     ending in .htm*?

Handled.

>   o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in .htm* have
>     the "proper" header and footer information inserted? (By proper, I mean
>     things like the SGML declaration, document type, local variables,
>     etc. I did something like this in html-helper-mode with
>     (setq html-helper-build-new-buffer t).)

Hrrm... never gotten this to work quite right.  But should be possible
to handle.

>   o How do I set up psgml-mode to use a DTD? Where do I put it? Do I need
>     to add new DTD's (are they files, or... ?) to my pc for things like
>     HTML 3.0 or Netscape extensions?

Handled.

>   o How do I get psgml to automatically fontify an HTML document and use
>     auto-indenting?

Dunno.

>   o How do I set up validation for an HTML document?

Handled.

>   o What are some neat tricks for psgml-mode? (What I mean are things like
>     useful fonts, menu items, bindings, settings, etc.)


> What's the difference between psgml-mode:

>   http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html

> ...and "Wing-enhanced" psgml-mode? Is the one that comes with xemacs 19.14
> substantially different from the one referenced by the above URL? How so?

I'm curious about this, as well...


- Steinar

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From: meinecke@plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (Rolf Meinecke)
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Hi,
> 
> OK, further to my earlier question about using X?emacs from within another
  [..]
> for ideas here.
> 
> The first stage of the project involves combining a text editor and a dvi
> viewer into one application (we figure Xemacs and a customised version of 
> xdvi).

There is already a project for a free WYSWYG-LaTeX editor called 'Lyx'.
I don't have any further information at hand right now, but I could
post or email it if you (yes, you too ;) are interrested.

Lately I read an article in the german Linux-magazine about Lyx and it
seems that the programmers are already quite far, including 'graphical'
typing of mathematics with buttonboxes and stuff like that.

thought you'd like to know


	Rolf



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Steven L Baur wrote:
> Taking a copy of buffers-menu-filter and modifying it to do as you
> suggest should work.  This is the brute force way.  You could also try
> fiddling with buffers-menu-omit-function, which might well be what you
> really want:

'format-buffers-menu-line' might be even more helpful since it gives you
the possibility to fully control the appearance of each buffer in the
menu:

C-h f format-buffers-menu-line

format-buffers-menu-line: (buffer)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
  -- loads from "~/lemacs/menues.own".
Returns a string to represent the given buffer in the Buffer menu.
nil means the buffer shouldn't be listed.  You can redefine this.

The 'loads from' is misleading in this case since its just the place
where I redefined it...

HTH,
Thomas
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Keith Folske wrote:
> 
> I am trying to put xemacs into c++-mode when a .c file is opened.
> 
> I am using the auto-mode-alist command, but the additions are not placed
> at the beginning of the list even when I use 'cons'.

Somewhere I picked up the following function, which does replacements in
the auto-mode-alist (thanks to the forgotten programer - maybe we should
errect a statue somewhere for all those???):

;;; Function to control the auto-mode-alist by adding modes or fixing in
situ
(defun fix-auto-mode-alist (new-auto-mode)
  (or (member new-auto-mode auto-mode-alist)
      (let ((existing-auto-mode (assoc (car new-auto-mode)
auto-mode-alist)))
        (if existing-auto-mode
            (setcar (member existing-auto-mode auto-mode-alist)
new-auto-mode)
          (setq auto-mode-alist (cons new-auto-mode
auto-mode-alist))))))

I use it in my .emacs as follows:

(mapcar 'fix-auto-mode-alist '(("\\/\\.shrc\\'" . ksh-mode)
                               ("\\/\\.kshrc\\'" . ksh-mode)
                               ("\\/\\.bashrc\\'" . ksh-mode)
                               ("\\/\\.profile\\'" . ksh-mode)
                               ("^[^.]+\\'" . ksh-mode)))

HTH,
Thomas
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Hello, 

I got the following messages (in reverse order, from C-h l), each time
I edit a xpm-file, using xpm-mode... Any hints?

File mode specification error: (error "Unable to parse color")
Finding number of colors...
Loading xpm-mode...done
Loading xpm-mode...

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Try

(setq-default tab-width 4)

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Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 12:28 21/10/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Somewhere I picked up the following function, which does replacements in
>the auto-mode-alist (thanks to the forgotten programer - maybe we should
>errect a statue somewhere for all those???):


Thanks - I take the blame/credit for this!


;;; Controls the auto-mode-alist by adding modes or fixing in situ
(defun djh-fix-auto-mode-alist (new-auto-mode)
  (or (member new-auto-mode auto-mode-alist)
      (let ((existing-auto-mode (assoc (car new-auto-mode) auto-mode-alist)))
        (if existing-auto-mode
            (setcar (member existing-auto-mode auto-mode-alist) new-auto-mode)
          (setq auto-mode-alist (cons new-auto-mode auto-mode-alist))))))


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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: Add a menu to C/C++ modes?
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I'm trying to add a compilation menu to C and C++ modes.  I'm using
easymenu in the mode hook, but my menu doesn't show.

  (easy-menu-define
   compile-menu c-mode-map "\"Compile\" menu for `cc-mode'."
   `("Compile"
     ["Kill Compilation" kill-compilation t]
     "--"
     ["Re-Compile" recompile t]
     ["Compile Command" (lambda ()
			  (interactive)
			  (compile compile-command)) t]
     ["Compile to Executable" cc-compile-to-executable t]
     ["Compile Only" cc-compile-to-object t]
     ["Make" (lambda ()
	       (interactive)
	       (compile "make -k")) t]
     ))

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks.

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From: David Chamont <chamont@polhp3.in2p3.fr>
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Subject: syntax highlighting : keywords
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:28:12 +0200
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When editing faces, one can remark some faces for keywords, types or
variables names. Unhappily, with my fortran or C++ code, the syntax
highlighting only works for comments, functions names and
preprocessor commands.

Am I missing something ?
Is there a way to have keywords highlighted ?

Any help welcome.
David.

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From: binge@lucent.com (Curtis.N.Bingham)
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I have a rather large EndNote Plus bibliography on my Macintosh that
I'd like to be able to edit using XEmacs (and then import back in to
EndNote Plus). 

>From what I can gather, the de facto standard bibliography tool in
(X)Emacs is bibtex.  What is the difference between bib-mode.el and
bibtex.el? 

I've seen some utilities for converting between refer format and
EndNote Plus, but it appears that it is not a seamless transition.

Is there anybody here that is doing such a thing?

Thanx,

Curtis

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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
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Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>:

> >   o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in .htm* have
> >     the "proper" header and footer information inserted?

> Hrrm... never gotten this to work quite right.  But should be possible
> to handle.

You should be able to do this with `auto-insert'.

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From: Eelco Essenberg <eelco@mw-testnl1.pureatria.com>
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Subject: Re: gnuclient question/wishlist
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Hi,

> sb> You ought to be able to use ange-ftp to get at those files.  You
> sb> could also try reconfiguring the temporary file directory around
> sb> to an NFS mounted disk.
> 
> Richard> would gnuclient understand a filename like /$HOST:path?
> 
> It doesn't look like ange-ftp can handle it, so I would be very
> surprised if gnuclient could.
> 

Assuming the remote host you use is always the same you could setup your
gnuclient to be called as:

	gnuclient -r /<hostname>:

This will prefix any filename given as argument to be
"/<hostname>:/<filename>" and open the required ange-ftp link...

Just my $.02.

Eelco.

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You need to call `easy-menu-add' in the mode hook to activate the
menu under XEmacs.

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From: Jean-Henri Duteau <jeand@myrias.com>
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I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on a machine running FreeBSD 2.1.5.

I'd like to use the gnuserv/gnuclient/etc stuff, but it appears to me
that it requires a machine on the network?!?

The symptoms I get are:

with (gnuserv-start) in my .emacs file, everything starts up smoothly
but I get a "server subprocess exited" message unless I've brought up
my ppp link.  Even if a manually run the command, it produces the same
message.

This message isn't shown and gnuclient works if my ppp link is up.

What have I missed? 8-)
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From: Brett Johnson <brett@fc.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: HP Debugger
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Darren Toler wrote:
> 
> Hi out there in Xemacs Land,
> 
> I have a question that maybe someone has already figured out...
> 
> I am running Xemacs 19.14 under HPUX 10.10.  We have the HP C/ANSI C
> Developer's Kit on our system which includes the HP/DDE debugger.  This
> debugger includes aliases to make it xdb compatible and a set of macros
> to make it dbx compatible.
> 
> Now for the question: Can I use Xemacs to 'drive' the debugger by
> setting it up to emulate one of these other debuggers? or does someone
> have an Xemacs routine to integrate the HP debugger?

/opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el will integrate dde into emacs, but I'm
not sure if it works with XEmacs or not.

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We are experiencing periodic freezes of xemacs here at OSU on our hp-ux
9.05
systems. I have seen this behavior with both the pre-compiled and a
locally 
compiled version, of xemacs 19.14 and 19.15 latest beta. The freezes
occurr
most frequently in vm and/or gnus, but I have seen them occur in
standard
edit sessions, as well. The freezes appear to be random, and occur
generally
at least once a week, though sometimes twice a day, and sometimes not
once
in a week.

The symptoms are that a frame will simply freeze, and refuse all further 
input, whether it be mouse or keyboard. The menubars and buttons will
still 
be active, and can be used to open another frame which will then
function
normally. 

Does anyone have any suggestions for what may be causing these freezes,
and
what might be done to alleviate the problem?

Thanks,
    Ross Becker

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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com>
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I can successfully load the eos into my 19.14 Xemacs.  I can then
enable a frame for debugging from the SparcWorks menu.  When I start
a sparcworks debugger with the menu, the debugger comes up in its own
frame.  Is this the way it is supposed to work.  When I select a source
file, and mark a line and hit the breakpoint button in the debugger window,
a breakpoint is set, but the toolbar buttons in the Xemacs frame do not
work, and don't look like they are active, i.e., they are all lowered.

Does anybody know what might be causing this?

TIA,


-- Kevin


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From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
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Subject: Re: Start xemacs with tab-width set to 4
Date: 21 Oct 1996 12:52:09 -0400
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It's really never a good idea to change tab-width.  Too many other
programs assume that a tab equals 8 spaces.  If you really want
various editing modes to use an indentation level of 4 spaces, there
are other ways of doing this (e.g. c-basic-offset in C modes).

-Barry

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From: Paul Furnanz <paulf@wv.mentorg.com>
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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

 Richard> Is it possible to specify with gnuclient a file that is accessible
 Richard> localy, but not (or only ftp) from the remote machine running the
 Richard> server? This is the typical case when used with mail programs that
 Richard> invoke gnuclient with a file in /tmp or so which of course is not
 Richard> nfs-mounted on any other machine. 

There is no way to do this on the gnuclient command line.  You can use
advice around server-find-file to change the name of the file being
visited, before the file is actually looked up.

The file name passed to server-find-file is
$GNU_NODE/<local_path_to_file>.  Most people set GNU_NODE to
/net/`hostname`.  You can use a regular expression to strip off or
modify the file.

Here is my setup.  It uses the default "/net", a local file that is
mounted the same as on the remote machine, or via FTP.  The only
drawback to this, is that you need to know ahead of time that you want
to access certain files via NFS or FTP.


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;;;
;;; Use Gnuserv
(require 'gnuserv)
(server-start)
(defvar server-ftp-dirs '("/tmp" "/usr/cygnus")
  "Directories that should be accessed via ange-ftp")
(defvar server-mount-dirs '("/wv")
  "Directories that should be accessed locally, not via /net")
(defvar server-remote-prefix "/net"
  "Mount point for remote files")
(defadvice server-find-file (before remote-file first activate)
  "Map a remote file to the correct type of local file"
    (if (string-match
	 (concat "\\(" server-remote-prefix "/.*\\)\\("
		 (mapconcat 'identity
			    server-mount-dirs "\\|") "\\)") file)
	(setq file (substring file (match-end 1)))
      (if (string-match (concat server-remote-prefix "/\\([^/]*\\)\\("
				(mapconcat 'identity
					   server-ftp-dirs "\\|") "\\)")
			file)
	  (setq file (concat "/" (user-login-name) "@"
			     (substring file (match-beginning 1) (match-end 1))
			     ":"
			     (substring file (match-end 1)))))))

--Multipart_Mon_Oct_21_09:48:49_1996-1--

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In-Reply-To: Michael Roesler's message of 21 Oct 1996 12:39:59 -0500
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I couldn't reach the original poster because of invalid email address
(the mail kept bouncing).  Michael, I hope you still read
comp.emacs.xemacs.

Michael Roesler (miker@harvard.srce.hr) wrote:
> Hrvoje,
> I recently posted a question in comp.emacs.xemacs regarding a mail
> alias problem that I have using VM and Xemacs. I did not get a reply.
> Perhaps you might have some insight into this problem.

I do not use VM, but I will try to help you anyway.

> When I type in an alias in the To: field of an email and I either
> enter a comma for the next alias or I press the down arrow to enter a
> subject, I find that the expansion of the alias always capitalizes the first
> letter of the email address even though the the first character should
> be lowercase. I use the form:
> alias hrv hniksic@srce.hr
> for my aliases in .mailrc.

Strange.  I cannot repeat this bug.  Maybe this was the case with
other readers which is why you didn't get a response.  What do you
have in your .emacs (or .vm, if one exists)?

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@hongkong.ml.com>
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Subject: SparcWorks EOS
Date: 21 Oct 1996 09:14:54 -0700
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I can successfully load the eos into my 19.14 Xemacs.  I can then
enable a frame for debugging from the SparcWorks menu.  When I start
a sparcworks debugger with the menu, the debugger comes up in its own
frame.  Is this the way it is supposed to work.  When I select a source
file, and mark a line and hit the breakpoint button in the debugger window,
a breakpoint is set, but the toolbar buttons in the Xemacs frame do not
work, and don't look like they are active, i.e., they are all lowered.

Does anybody know what might be causing this?

TIA,


-- Kevin


_____________________________________________________________________
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From: Eric Parker <roknrose@teleport.com>
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Subject: help! xemacs-19.14 ispell can't find english.hash
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Folks,

I cant seem to get Apps->SpellCheckBuffer to work. 
When starting ispell, I get the following error
"Can't open /usr/local/lib/english.hash^M"

I tried substituting /usr/dict/words using ispell-change-dictionary.
But, it didn't work. Can anyone help?

Thanks 
Eric Parker
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-or-
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>>>>> "John" == John A Eikenberry <jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu> writes:

> Ok. What happens is that it runs (it shows up when I do a ps -u), it doesn't
> print any errors and it doesn't exit. All my other X apps work fine.

Why does this sound like you've somehow gotten XEmacs to display on some other
X screen?  Has anyone else in your group complained about a stray XEmacs
session?

> I tried your suggestions. 'xemacs -nw' runs fine in my xterm. 'xemacs -q'
> and 'xemacs -q -no-site-file' both get it to work. I guess this means that
> there is something wrong with my .emacs file. I didn't change anything in
> it, why would it have suddenly caused xemacs to stop showing its X display?

1. Move your .emacs out of the way and then start XEmacs (no options).  That
   will prove whether it is your .emacs or site-start.el/default.el.
2. If XEmacs works after #1, then you'll have to start debugging your .emacs
   file by copying parts of it back into .emacs slowly.
3. If XEmacs doesn't work after #1, then see your XEmacs administrator and
   have him move site-start.el/default.el out of the way.
4. If XEmacs works after #3, then the XEmacs admin. will have to work with you
   to determine what in those files is messed up.
5. If XEmacs doesn't work after #3, then you have something messed up in your
   environment.  Do you have a stray DISPLAY variable set?


-- 
==================================================================
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davidm@prism.kla.com			San Jose, CA 95161-9055
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      I only speak for myself -- it keeps me out of trouble

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From: John Murtari <jmurtari@thebook.com>
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Subject: Upgrade to XEmacs 19.14 (latest) from 19.12
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:36:12 -0400
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Have been waiting for a FAQ list to be posted last couple of
weeks, but didn't see anything -- would appreciate a copy. Is
there a web site for xemacs?

Real question is we are running XEmacs 19.12 on Solaris 2.5
and doing quite fine editing C, C++, and HTML -- is there
better HTML support in the latest version? Is there a binary
distribution for Solaris?

Thanks!
-- 
                                          John
___________________________________________________________________
John Murtari                              Software Workshop Inc.
jmurtari@thebook.com 315.695.1301(x-211)  "TheBook.Com" (TM)
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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

Ricardo> Hello, 

Ricardo> I got the following messages (in reverse order, from C-h l), each time
Ricardo> I edit a xpm-file, using xpm-mode... Any hints?

Ricardo> File mode specification error: (error "Unable to parse color")
Ricardo> Finding number of colors...
Ricardo> Loading xpm-mode...done
Ricardo> Loading xpm-mode...

Please, please include more information when submitting bug reports.
In this case, it would have been appropriate to include the broken
 .xpm file, as xpm-mode does work on a wide variety of xpm files.
Fortunately, the first .xpm file I tried exhibited the problem.

There is a bug in xpm-mode.el that causes it to fail when
chars_per_pixel is greater than 1.  This is not surprising since
xpm-mode has a variable called xpm-chars-per-pixel which is
initialized to 1 and never updated from the info in the .xpm file.
Presumably this is what you bombed on.

Apply the following patch to xpm-mode.el, and rebytecompile it for a
fix.  NOTE:  This patch is against 19.15 beta, but will work against
19.14.


*** xpm-mode.el~	Sun Sep 15 11:31:49 1996
--- xpm-mode.el	Mon Oct 21 20:03:45 1996
***************
*** 109,114 ****
--- 109,122 ----
      (next-line 1)
      (while (not (looking-at "\\s-*\""))
        (next-line 1))
+ 
+     (save-excursion
+       (goto-char (point-min))
+       (if (re-search-forward 
+ 	   "\"\\s-*\\([0-9]+\\)\\s-+\\([0-9]+\\)\\s-+\\([0-9]+\\)\\s-+\\([0-9]+\\)\\s-*"
+ 	   (point-max) t)
+ 	  (setq xpm-chars-per-pixel (string-to-int (match-string 4)))))
+ 
      (let ((co 0))
        (while (< co (xpm-num-colors))
  	(progn
***************
*** 144,150 ****
      (let (ext
  	  pixel-chars
  	  pixel-color)
!       (while (< (point) (point-max))
  	(setq pixel-chars
  	      (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) xpm-chars-per-pixel))
  	      pixel-color (assoc pixel-chars xpm-pixel-values)
--- 152,159 ----
      (let (ext
  	  pixel-chars
  	  pixel-color)
!       (while (and (< (point) (point-max))
! 		  (< (+ (point) xpm-chars-per-pixel) (point-max)))
  	(setq pixel-chars
  	      (buffer-substring (point) (+ (point) xpm-chars-per-pixel))
  	      pixel-color (assoc pixel-chars xpm-pixel-values)

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>>>>> "Jean-Henri" == Jean-Henri Duteau <jeand@myrias.com> writes:

Jean-Henri> I'm running XEmacs 19.14 on a machine running FreeBSD 2.1.5.

Jean-Henri> I'd like to use the gnuserv/gnuclient/etc stuff, but it
Jean-Henri> appears to me that it requires a machine on the network?!?

Yup, by default.

Jean-Henri> The symptoms I get are:

Jean-Henri> with (gnuserv-start) in my .emacs file, everything starts
Jean-Henri> up smoothly but I get a "server subprocess exited" message
Jean-Henri> unless I've brought up my ppp link.  Even if a manually
Jean-Henri> run the command, it produces the same message.

Recompile gnuserv after commenting out the
#define INTERNET_DOMAIN_SOCKETS
in gnuserv.h.

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HI,

Sorry for what seems to be a stupid question, but I've spent many hours trying to figure it
out be myself.

I've just installed the Xemacs static-motif binary for Linux.

I like it a lot, but the default font is courier, which I think is really ugly and hard to
read on a computer screen.

How do I change it?
I have tried:

changing the font with the "options" menu, then choosing "save options"
  this appears to work, and does work for other options, but when I restart 
  xemacs, it's back to courier again. I took a look at the .emacs-options
  file that was created, and it seems to be all set for the new font
  (lucindatypwriter), but it just doesn't work. There is a line in .emacs
  that  loads the .emacs-options file (it also says in the minibuffer when I
  start up that it has been run.)

putting a line in .Xdefaults:
  I put the following line in:

  Emacs.default.attributeFont: -*-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-*-*-14-*-75-75-*-*-iso8859-1
    
  The result was again no change. 

This is driving me crazy!! please help.

-Chris Barker  

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From: adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams)
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Gael MARZIOU (gael@gnlab027.grenoble.hp.com) wrote:

: I have problems with compile.el from 19.14 while I haven't with 19.13, it
: is not able to open the file where the error occured, I ran it under
: elisp debugger and found that file-exist-p was having problem with
: filename containing quotes like "\"my_file.c\"" so I made the following
: little patch which works for me but I'm not sure this is a long term
: patch that should be included in official version, I don't even know how
: to submit a patch.
: I have encountered this problem when compiling with cc of HP-UX 10.20.
: However, here is my patch appended below.

Yes, we ran into this problem on our HP-UX 10.x system too.  We found that
the solution was to isolate which regular expression in
compilation-error-regexp-alist was (erroneously) matching the compiler
error line.  Once we did that, rewriting the regexp to properly match
the compiler error line was rather trivial.

Sean
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From: bartro@unity.ncsu.edu (Vincent Bartro)
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Hi out there!

A previous post was about remapping the Enter Key so that
typing in Enter would automatically indent the code.
This was for C and C++ code.

The answer was something like :
(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)

I'd like to have the same feature in Fortran Mode.

I tried a 
(define-key fortran-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
but it does not work.

Any idea?

Thanks

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>>>>> "Jens" == Jens Goetz <s_jgoetz@lyra.rz.uni-ulm.de> writes:

    Jens> Hello, do you know any package for Xemacs for handling
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Have a look at

	http://home.netscape.com/people/jwz/bbdb/

Ciao
	Oliver

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Vincent Bartro wrote:
> 
> Joel Shapiro (joel@dragon.Princeton.EDU) wrote (Thu, 17 Oct 1996 > > (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
> Does something exist for fortran mode?

>From my .emacs file:

(define-key fortran-mode-map '(control return) 'fortran-split-line)

should do the same trick in FORTRAN mode

HTH,
Thomas
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Where is the source for the highlighting package hl319 (if it's still
called that) for XEmacs 19.14?

Thanks,
	Aaron
	amg@netvision.net.il

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And if you are going to do that, may I suggest that you also set Xemacs to
expand all tabs as spaces. If you don't, then when someone with the default
setting of 8 opens your code, it will look ugly. Trust me. My and the
people who work with me have been there.

I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(

Tom Steger <steger@WILLEY.tautron.com> wrote in article
<199610211245.IAA13306@huck.tautron.com>...
> 
> Try
> 
> (setq-default tab-width 4)
> 

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> I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(

(setq indent-tabs-mode nil)

It's buffer local so you need to do it in find-file-hook or in =
a mode-hook.

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From: David Barr <david@oren.co.il>
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Subject: Re: where is hl319 ?
Date: 22 Oct 1996 13:46:27 +0100
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Aaron Gross <aaron@cruella.bfr.co.il> writes:

> 
> Where is the source for the highlighting package hl319 (if it's still
> called that) for XEmacs 19.14?
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Aaron
> 	amg@netvision.net.il

Try using the font-lock package that comes bundled with 19.14.

You can get hl319 at ftp.gwdg.de/emacs/hilit/elisp/Beta/ (there are
versions for bath XEmacs and 'the other' emacs.

Also, you can try the GNU elisp archive ftp site, where you will find
hilit19 at 

archive.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages/

Hope this helps

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Matthew O. Persico writes:
 > And if you are going to do that, may I suggest that you also set Xemacs to
 > expand all tabs as spaces. If you don't, then when someone with the default
 > setting of 8 opens your code, it will look ugly. Trust me. My and the
 > people who work with me have been there.
 > 

Ditto - I've been there with myself (if you see what I mean).

 > I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(
 > 

>From the Info pages:

Tabs vs. Spaces
===============

   Emacs normally uses both tabs and spaces to indent lines.  If you
prefer, all indentation can be made from spaces only.  To request this,
set `indent-tabs-mode' to `nil'.  This is a per-buffer variable;
altering the variable affects only the current buffer, but there is a
default value which you can change as well.  *See Locals::.

>From my .emacs:

(setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)

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From: Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk>
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Further to my earlier posts that some of you may have seen:

Can anyone help me locate the extcli_Xt libraries required to use Xemacs as an
external widget (i.e. to embed it in an application). (also the file 
ExternalClient.h) Are these part of the Xemacs distribution? Where can I 
download them from?

I would also really like some help/suggestion on how this is done...
Does anyone have a fragment of source code I could look at that managed to get
Xemacs to embed itself?

Thanx.

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Hello,

I want to add the "X-Face:" slot in my mails. I saw yesterday, in
Xemacs FAQ 5/6 the way to make the face file but I'm missing the
compface tool. It seems to be the icon compilator.

Does anybody know where I can find it ??

Thanks in advance.

Best regards

Jerome
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Prior to 19.14, any multi-line text entered in a shell would remain
multi-lined when recalled (ESC-p). Now, multi-lined text has the \n removed
and ends up on one line. How can I turn off this "feature" ;-)

-- 
Matthew Persico
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John Murtari (jmurtari@thebook.com) wrote:
> Have been waiting for a FAQ list to be posted last couple of
> weeks, but didn't see anything -- would appreciate a copy. Is
> there a web site for xemacs?

Well, it's kinda obvious. :-)
<URL:http://www.xemacs.org/>

> Real question is we are running XEmacs 19.12 on Solaris 2.5
> and doing quite fine editing C, C++, and HTML -- is there
> better HTML support in the latest version? Is there a binary
> distribution for Solaris?

Yes, there is a much much better HTML support (psgml mode), and yes,
there is a binary distribution for sparc-sun-solaris.  And there is
the new Gnus and a host of useful features.  You can find all this on:
<URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/>

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Vincent Bartro (bartro@unity.ncsu.edu) wrote:
> I tried a 
> (define-key fortran-mode-map "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)
> but it does not work.

This might be because fortran-mode is not loaded when you define the
key (cc-mode is preloaded, AFAIK).  Try this:
(add-hook 'fortran-mode-hook
          (lambda () (local-set-key "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)))

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Hi,
I'm running gnus 5.2.5 with tm 7.42.
While extructing many mime posting to files, xemacs (19.13 hpux 9.05) signals
an error of "too many open files".
Is there a way to increase the open files limit?
The other option is read through the code, and try to find where the bug
is :-(.

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> > 
> > Try
> > 
> > (setq-default tab-width 4)
> > 
> 

> 
> And if you are going to do that, may I suggest that you also set Xemacs to
> expand all tabs as spaces. If you don't, then when someone with the default
> setting of 8 opens your code, it will look ugly. Trust me. My and the
> people who work with me have been there.
> 
> I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(
> 
> Tom Steger <steger@WILLEY.tautron.com> wrote in article
> <199610211245.IAA13306@huck.tautron.com>...


This fills with spaces, or at least used to several revs of emacs ago:

(setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)

Of course this causes havoc if you are editing a Unix makefile, where
leading tabs are required in some cases. (In Unix, original missteps are
perpetuated to avoid breaking something -- unless you want to change from
BSD to SVR4, where all changes are, naturally, for the better.)


As to printing tabbed files, in Unix you can do this:

expand -n filename | lp

to expand the tabs with n spaces.

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Donald Hunter (DHunter@atl.co.uk) wrote:
> > I only wish I could remember what variable contolled that behavior. :-(
> (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
> It's buffer local so you need to do it in find-file-hook or in =
> a mode-hook.

Or, even simpler, use setq-default.  I think it is better than filling
hooks.  See <9610221147.AA00553@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
for detaills.

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Simon, I am having the same problem... Did you ever get an answer?

Alan

Simon Hardingham wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry but this may be a stupid question and I do want to use VI
> within xemacs.  When I increase "vip-export-level" in .vip to 3 or above
> the TAB key stops TAB'ing (a real problem when writing code).  How can I
> get round this apart from droping back to level 1 or 2?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Does anyone have the sparcworks eos for sun working with xemacs 19.14?
I have the pre-compiled binaries which include the eos stuff (the binaries
without it don't work at all!) and I can do everything but print
variables.  A seperate frame is supposed to come up with the data
displayed, but it doesn't work.  I can select the variable and then
print it in the debugger itself, but I can't get xemacs to print it.

TIA

Kevin
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> Why "of course"???  It has a very convenient (IMO) interface to RCS
> and CVS (for a start, look under the "tools/version control" menu, but
> in general a simple ^X^Q will create a new version and/or lock the
> file for you).
> 
And some dear person, bless their soul, has begun, with 19.14, the
integration of Purify/Atria's ClearCase into Xemacs VC. :-)))

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote in article
<kig20ewvxgs.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>...
 [snip]
> It depends on what you call `formatting'.  You can indent every line
> in the buffer as if you went line by line and pressed TAB, with
> `C-x h M-x indent-region'.

how 'bout:

C-x n ; go to next matchable char (,{,[, etc
C-x @	; set mark
C-x n ; go to the match
indent-region

program as a macro, assign to a key and voila.

One of these days, I'll get around to putting this as a func in my .emacs
and posting it.


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>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Parker <roknrose@teleport.com> writes:

Eric> Folks,

Eric> I cant seem to get Apps->SpellCheckBuffer to work. 
Eric> When starting ispell, I get the following error
Eric> "Can't open /usr/local/lib/english.hash^M"

Eric> I tried substituting /usr/dict/words using ispell-change-dictionary.
Eric> But, it didn't work. Can anyone help?

Note that ispell.el in XEmacs and Emacs is only a front end to a
program called ispell.

This sounds like a problem with your installation of the ispell
program.  Do you have a file called /usr/local/lib/english.hash?  You
should ...
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>>>>> "John" == John Murtari <jmurtari@thebook.com> writes:

John> Have been waiting for a FAQ list to be posted last couple of
John> weeks, but didn't see anything -- would appreciate a copy.

The XEmacs FAQ is posted on the 5th of each month.  It was lasted
posted on October 5th, it will be posted again on November 5th.

It is available from numerous places on the world wide web.

Primary site:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
Mirror site:
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

John> Is there a web site for xemacs?

	http://www.xemacs.org/

John> Real question is we are running XEmacs 19.12 on Solaris 2.5
John> and doing quite fine editing C, C++, and HTML -- is there
John> better HTML support in the latest version?

Yes.

John> Is there a binary distribution for Solaris?

Yes.
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Hrvoje Niksic (hniksic@srce.hr) wrote (22 Oct 1996 15:57:24 +0200):
> This might be because fortran-mode is not loaded when you define the
> key (cc-mode is preloaded, AFAIK).  Try this:
> (add-hook 'fortran-mode-hook
>           (lambda () (local-set-key "\C-m" 'reindent-then-newline-and-indent)))
> 
That works!!

Thanks!

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>>>>> "cbarker" == cbarker  <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

cbarker> Sorry for what seems to be a stupid question, but I've spent
cbarker> many hours trying to figure it out be myself.

Not exactly, there is some broken code in 19.14 with respect to
changing fonts.

cbarker> I've just installed the Xemacs static-motif binary for Linux.

cbarker> I like it a lot, but the default font is courier, which I
cbarker> think is really ugly and hard to read on a computer screen.

cbarker> How do I change it?

The easiest method is to change it with X Resources, I use:
emacs*font:	fixed
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-bold-r-semicondensed--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-1
Emacs.italic.attributeFont: -schumacher-clean-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
Emacs.bold-italic.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-bold-i-normal-*-0-0-75-75-m-*-iso8859-1

in my .Xdefaults.

cbarker> I have tried:

cbarker> changing the font with the "options" menu, then choosing
cbarker> "save options" this appears to work, and does work for other
cbarker> options, but when I restart xemacs, it's back to courier
cbarker> again.

There were two patches posted to this newsgroup a couple months ago
that resolve this problem.  They should still be available from
Dejanews.

cbarker> putting a line in .Xdefaults:
cbarker>   I put the following line in:

cbarker>   Emacs.default.attributeFont: -*-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-*-*-14-*-75-75-*-*-iso8859-1
    
cbarker>   The result was again no change. 

Did you restart your X session, or reload the X Resource database

xrdb -merge < ~/.Xdefaults

*and* restart XEmacs after making that change?
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From: Igor Lasic <ilasic@casc.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Mime package
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:29:12 -0400
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Hello all,

	is there a mime package for vm that work.

	I tried rmime but I have problems using it. I have installed
	mimencode/mimdecode on my machine.

Igor
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Hi folks,

I've seen the FAQ for how to expand aliases within VM.  My problem is
the opposite: I want to suppress the display of the expanded aliases
(but still have the mail go to the alias).

Here's the problem:  I have an alias set up in my .mailrc as
all_staff.  all_staff consists of about 50 names, and whenever I send
a message out, all the recipients get this enormous header that
includes all the names.  I want the header that the recipients see
just to say 'all_staff'.

Can anyone recommend a way to do this in VM?

Cheers,
Dave
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Is there are a recommended place to use c-set-style?  I've been using it in
c-mode-common-hook to define my own style, but I just noticed that the style
is getting defined multiple times (probably once for every C file I read).

Anyone have a better method?  Is there c-mode-load-hook?

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From: Anand Pillai <anand@ERC.MsState.Edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Enter key to indent
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I tried mapping my enter key to indent automatically from some postings
in this newsgroup.

I included the line
(define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
in my ~/.emacs

But thie did not work. I checked the file access time of my ~/.emacs and
it is not being read at all. So I tried typing that line after pressing
M-x in xemacs. Then xemacs says "[No match]".

Any suggestions. I am using 19.13 XEmacs Lucid. At present I am getting
over this problem by typing global-set-key after M-x in xemacs.

Send me an email too, please. Thanks

Anand

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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And don't confuse xemac.org with xemacs.com. The latter, as well as
infodock.com, is registered by Bob Wiener, the author of Infodock.

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From: rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
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Subject: Xemacs 19.14: VC losing its wits
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For a while, VC was working wonderfully for me, one of those features that I
had not yet discovered. But recently (last 4-5 days), it has started acting
kind of messed up. It will co/lock a file just fine, but when I C-x v v to ci
it, it tries to do a co -l again (which fails because of the presence of a
writable file). After considerable editing, an attempt to show diffs between
the current file and head revision returns no diffs. I can't think of anything
I have done recently to my environment that could have affected VC. Oh yes, and
I just now tried to back out the most recent version checked-in of a file, only
to be told that I had not made the revision (having done so from a shell prompt
just minutes before).

This is 19.14, on HPUX 9.05.

Randy
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From: Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no>
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>>>>> Igor Lasic <ilasic@casc.com>:

>> is there a mime package for vm that work.

>> I tried rmime but I have problems using it. I have installed
>> mimencode/mimdecode on my machine.

For an extensive coverage of MIME and emacs, see
	<URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>

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From: Gildas Perrot <perrot@francenet.fr>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc
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Hi,

I am trying to print region with 19.14 under BSD/OS 2.1 and I get this
error message :

pr: illegal option -- f

In fact, -f is not available on the pr version of BSD/OS 2.1. How to
solve this problem ?

Thanks in advance for your help.	Gildas.

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In <54kmtp$msk@lambda.fwi.uva.nl> jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy) writes:

I forgot to add, running xemacs version 19.13
Jon
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From: jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy)
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Subject: Infinite insertion with apply-macro-to-region-lines
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Hello people,

Macros are nice, and I of course want to apply them to a whole lot
of lines.  So, I defined a macro, say \C-x ( \C-E hello \C-x )
which works fine, and places "hello" at the end of a line.
Now I want to apply this macro to every line in a region, so 
I mark the region at the top with \C-SPC, move down to past the last
line, and then \M-x apply-macro-to-region-lines.

[1]  What happens it that the FIRST line of the marked region
     is DELETED, and the rest of the lines get the hello appended
     to them as expected.  How can I get around this?  I don't
     want the first line deleted!

[2]  If I innocently \M-h to mark a paragraph and then apply the macro
     to the region, one of two things happens:
 	a) either the entire paragraph is replaced by "hello"
	b) it goes into an infinite replace loop

I think some of the effects of [2] are caused by the marked region being
started at the bottom of theparagraph and not at the top.

Does anybody else have these problems?  Any solutions?

Thank you,
Jon
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In <vajlod01cwe.fsf@wv.mentorg.com> Paul Furnanz <paulf@wv.mentorg.com> writes:

Hello,

many thanks for the replies, I think I am now able to setup .emacs
as needed, once I have convinced our admins to recompile Xemacs with
MIT_COOKIE support on. Why isn't this the default anyway?


Bye
Richard

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From: Ernesto Martin Rebollo <ernes@patricio.tid.es>
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Subject: Fonts with XEmacs 19.14 + Solaris 2.5.1 + CDE
Date: 23 Oct 1996 11:20:53 +0200
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I've installed Solaris 2.5.1 + CDE and now, if I start XEmacs I get
the following message in the *Warnings* buffer:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of "-dt-interface user-medium-r-normal-s*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

and the fonts for menus and pop-ups are the default DCE ones (bigger
than the ones that XEmacs used. I've tried putting the following in my
.Xdefaults:

XEmacs*menubar*Font: 	-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
XEmacs*popup*Font:	-*-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*

but it's no use. It looks like DCE doesn't read this file (but other
default I put in the file are taken). If I execute, by hand, 

merge .Xdefaults

and later I run XEmacs, everything goes fine, but if I put this
sentence in .dtprofile or in .profile, still doesn't work.

Anybody knows how to fix it?

Thanks


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From: Frederic Labrosse <labrosse@turquoise.ai.polymtl.ca>
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Hi, everybody

Yesterday I've installed a British dictionary. Within xemacs, Ispell works
well with it to correct one word (ispell-word).  But when I try to verify
all the document (toolbar-ispell), all I get is:

Args out of range: "^M", 2

The same problem occurs with english dictionary, but all works well with
francais-tex dictionary.  Out of xemacs, ispell works well with british
dictionary too.

Any idea?

TIA

Frederic
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Hi, I am running Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4. When I connect to a
running Xemacs on my Solaris system from a remote host everything works
fine unless I loose my network connection for some reason. Once the
remote frame is lost, my main Xemacs processes  dies soon after.

Typical scenario, I dial into my workstation from home using PPP over a
dialup line and startup a remote frame with 

	gnudoit '(make-frame-on-display "remote:0.0")'

At some point I loose my telephone connection unexpectedly and the
remote frame dies. The main Xemacs on my server workstation dies also.
Is there some way to prevent this from happening? 

In fact, a follow up to this is that the remote frame that is created by
the above gnudoit command has the File->Delete Frame command grayed
over. However, I can issue the command C-x 5 0 by hand and the remote
frame will go away. BUT this also causes the server Xemacs to exit. What
is wrong here?

mike harper
Alcoa Laboratories



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From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>
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* Steinar Bang wrote:
> [followup set to comp.emacs.xemacs]
>>>>>> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>:

>> What's the difference between psgml-mode:

>> http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html

>> ...and "Wing-enhanced" psgml-mode? Is the one that comes with xemacs 19.14
>> substantially different from the one referenced by the above URL? How so?

> I'm curious about this, as well...


The differences appear to be reasonably small.  The xemacs one is
somewhat out of date compared to the most current one (1.0a9 vs 1.0a12
I think?), but the differences aren't that large.  There was one
difference I found to do with tag minimization which I removed,
otherwise the behaviour of psgml itself seems very similar: the mafor
difference is the presence of psgml-html.el which defines html mode as
derived from sgml mode + template stuff.

--tim


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Hi,
XEmacs seems to have difficulties scroling images. When I get a mime
message with an image which is larger then the emacs window, I can
only view the top part of it. Trying to scroll the window down
results in the comolete disapearence of the image.
I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on HPUX 9.05.
Any help?
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Hi There,

I am interfacing xemacs to one of the application I am using. When I
select edit from the application a gnuclient is invoked with a new
frame. I might be opening more than 20 files at a time. Having one frame
for each file is not a solution for me. More than that I don't want
to end up having more than 1 editing session for the same file.
What I want boils down to: When gnuclient (or something else) is invoked
by the application to edit a given file the following should happen: A
new buffer is created in the already running xemacs session. The new
buffer is automatically activated in the least recent used window.
If the file is already in a buffer then it will be activated.

Is this doable? Don't ask me to write any lisp code! 

Please e-mail me!

Thanks,

Chabane
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From: Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca>
Subject: Re: iso-acc.el for XEmacs
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I wrote:

> Is there a library that supports "dead keys" for entering accented
> characters under XEmacs?  [...] With Emacs, the library iso-acc did
> just that, [...]

I finally ported iso-acc.el from Emacs 19.28 to XEmacs (see below).

I'd like to thank Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br> and
Jean-Hugues Zorio <Jean-Hugues.Zorio@der.edfgdf.fr> for sending me a
copy of another (more evolved) port of iso-acc.el (merci!).  My
version, by comparison, does the minimum to make the package work
under XEmacs.

Note that x-compose can't provide exactly the same functionality as
this package since, first, x-compose requires X and, second, it
requires changes that will affect all X applications on the server.
The accent-letter combination tables are similar, however.


;;; iso-acc.el -- minor mode providing electric accent keys
;;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;;; Copyright (c) 1996 Hydro-Qubec

;; Author: Johan Vromans <jv@mh.nl>
;; Version: 1.7 (modified)
;; Maintainer: FSF
;; Keywords: i18n
;; Ported to XEmacs 19.14 by Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> (96.10.20)

;; The original of this file is part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to
;; the Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; Function `iso-accents-mode' activates a minor mode
;; (`iso-accents-minor-mode') in which typewriter "dead keys" are
;; emulated.  The purpose of this emulation is to provide a simple
;; means for inserting accented characters according to the ISO-8859-1
;; character set.
;;
;; In `iso-accents-minor-mode', pseudo accent characters are used to
;; introduce accented keys.  The pseudo-accent characterss are:
;;
;;   '  (minute)    -> grave accent
;;   `  (backtick)  -> acute accent
;;   "  (second)    -> diaeresis
;;   ^  (caret)     -> circumflex
;;   ~  (tilde)     -> tilde over the character
;;   /  (slash)     -> slash through the character.
;;                  Also:  /A is A-with-ring and /E is AE ligature.
;;
;; The action taken depends on the key that follows the pseudo accent.
;; In general: 
;;
;;   pseudo-accent + appropriate letter -> accented letter
;;   pseudo-accent + space -> pseudo-accent
;;   pseudo-accent + pseudo-accent -> accent (if available)
;;   pseudo-accent + other -> pseudo-accent + other
;;
;; If the pseudo-accent is followed by anything else than a 
;; self-insert-command, the dead-key code is terminated, the
;; pseudo-accent inserted 'as is' and the bell is rung to signal this.
;;
;; Function `iso-accents-mode' can be used to enable the iso accents
;; minor mode, or disable it.

;; If you want only some of these characters to serve as accents,
;; set iso-accents-enable to the list of characters that should be special.

;;; Code:

(provide 'iso-acc)

(defvar iso-accents-list
  '(((?' ?A) Aacute)
    ((?' ?E) Eacute)
    ((?' ?I) Iacute)
    ((?' ?O) Oacute)
    ((?' ?U) Uacute)
    ((?' ?Y) Yacute)
    ((?' ?a) aacute)
    ((?' ?e) eacute)
    ((?' ?i) iacute)
    ((?' ?o) oacute)
    ((?' ?u) uacute)
    ((?' ?y) yacute)
    ((?' ?') acute)
    ((?' ? ) apostrophe)
    ((?` ?A) Agrave)
    ((?` ?E) Egrave)
    ((?` ?I) Igrave)
    ((?` ?O) Ograve)
    ((?` ?U) Ugrave)
    ((?` ?a) agrave)
    ((?` ?e) egrave)
    ((?` ?i) igrave)
    ((?` ?o) ograve)
    ((?` ?u) ugrave)
    ((?` ?`) grave)			; no special code?
    ((?` ? ) grave)
    ((?^ ?/) slash)             
    ((?^ ?!) brokenbar)     
    ((?^ ?-) macron)        
    ((?^ ?_) macron)        
    ((?^ ?0) degree)        
    ((?^ ?1) onesuperior)   
    ((?^ ?2) twosuperior)   
    ((?^ ?3) threesuperior) 
    ((?^ ?.) periodcentered)
    ((?^ ?A) Acircumflex)
    ((?^ ?E) Ecircumflex)
    ((?^ ?I) Icircumflex)
    ((?^ ?O) Ocircumflex)
    ((?^ ?U) Ucircumflex)
    ((?^ ?a) acircumflex)
    ((?^ ?e) ecircumflex)
    ((?^ ?i) icircumflex)
    ((?^ ?o) ocircumflex)
    ((?^ ?u) ucircumflex)
    ((?^ ?^) asciicircum)		; no special code?
    ((?^ ? ) asciicircum)
    ((?\" ?A) Adiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?E) Ediaeresis)
    ((?\" ?I) Idiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?O) Odiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?U) Udiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?a) adiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?e) ediaeresis)
    ((?\" ?i) idiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?o) odiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?s) ssharp)
    ((?\" ?u) udiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?y) ydiaeresis)
    ((?\" ?\") diaeresis)
    ((?\" ? ) quotedbl)
    ((?\~ ?A) Atilde)
    ((?\~ ?C) Ccedilla)
    ((?\~ ?D) ETH)
    ((?\~ ?N) Ntilde)
    ((?\~ ?O) Otilde)
    ((?\~ ?a) atilde)
    ((?\~ ?c) ccedilla)
    ((?\~ ?d) eth)
    ((?\~ ?n) ntilde)
    ((?\~ ?o) otilde)
    ((?\~ ?>) guillemotright)
    ((?\~ ?<) guillemotleft)
    ((?\~ ?\ ) tilde)
    ((?\~ ?\~) cedilla)			; cedilla accent
    ((?\/ ?A) Aring)			; A-with-ring (Norwegian and Danish)
    ((?\/ ?E) AE)			; AE-ligature (Norwegian and Danish)
    ((?\/ ?O) Ooblique)	     
    ((?\/ ?a) aring)			; a-with-ring (Norwegian and Danish)
    ((?\/ ?e) ae)			; ae-ligature (Norwegian and Danish)
    ((?\/ ?o) oslash)	     
    ((?\/ ?\ ) slash)	     
    ((?\/ ?\/) degree)			; ring accent (actually degree sign?)
    )
  "Association list for ISO accent combinations.")

(defvar iso-accents-minor-mode nil
  "*Non-nil enables ISO Accents mode.
Setting this variable makes it local to the current buffer.
See `iso-accents-mode'.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'iso-accents-minor-mode)

(defun iso-accents-accent-key (prompt)
  "Modify the following character by adding an accent to it."
  ;; Pick up the accent character.
  (if iso-accents-minor-mode
      (iso-accents-compose prompt)
    (char-to-string last-input-char)))

(defun iso-accents-compose-key (prompt)
  "Modify the following character by adding an accent to it."
  ;; Pick up the accent character.
  (let ((combined (iso-accents-compose prompt)))
    (if unread-command-events
	(let ((unread unread-command-events))
	  (setq unread-command-events nil)
	  (error "Characters %s and %s cannot be composed"
		 (single-key-description (aref combined 0))
		 (single-key-description (car unread)))))
    combined))

(defun iso-accents-compose (prompt)
  (let* ((first-char last-input-char)
	 ;; Wait for the second key and look up the combination.
	 (second-char (if (or prompt
			      (not (eq (key-binding "a")
				       'self-insert-command)))
			  (progn
			    (message "%s%c"
				     (or prompt "Compose with ")
				     first-char)
			    (read-char))
			(insert first-char)
			(prog1 (read-char)
			  (delete-region (1- (point)) (point)))))
	 (entry (assoc (list first-char second-char) iso-accents-list)))
    (if entry
	;; Found it: delete the first character and insert the combination.
	(vector (nth 1 entry))
      ;; Otherwise, advance and schedule the second key for execution.
      (setq unread-command-events (list second-char))
      (vector first-char))))

(defvar iso-accents-enable '(?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/)
  "*List of accent keys that become prefixes in ISO Accents mode.
The default is (?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/), which contains all the supported
accent keys.  For certain languages, you might want to remove some of
those characters that are not actually used.")

(or key-translation-map (setq key-translation-map (make-sparse-keymap)))
;; For sequences starting with an accent character,
;; use a function that tests iso-accents-minor-mode.

(if (memq ?' iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "'"  'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?` iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "`"  'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?^ iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "^"  'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?\" iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "\"" 'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?~ iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "~" 'iso-accents-accent-key))
(if (memq ?/ iso-accents-enable)
    (define-key key-translation-map "/" 'iso-accents-accent-key))

;; It is a matter of taste if you want the minor mode indicated
;; in the mode line...
;; If so, uncomment the next four lines.
;; (or (assq 'iso-accents-minor-mode minor-mode-map-alist)
;;     (setq minor-mode-alist
;; 	  (append minor-mode-alist
;; 		  '((iso-accents-minor-mode " ISO-Acc")))))

;;;###autoload
(defun iso-accents-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle ISO Accents mode, in which accents modify the following letter.
This permits easy insertion of accented characters according to ISO-8859-1.
When Iso-accents mode is enabled, accent character keys
\(`, ', \", ^, / and ~) do not self-insert; instead, they modify the following
letter key so that it inserts an ISO accented letter.

The variable `iso-accents-enable' specifies the list of characters to
enable as accents.  If you don't need all of them, remove the ones you
don't need from that list.

Special combinations: ~c gives a c with cedilla,
~d gives a d with dash.
\"s gives German sharp s.
/a gives a with ring.
/e gives an a-e ligature.
~< and ~> give guillemets.

With an argument, a positive argument enables ISO Accents mode, 
and a negative argument disables it."

  (interactive "P")

  (if (if arg
	  ;; Negative arg means switch it off.
	  (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0)
	;; No arg means toggle.
	iso-accents-minor-mode)
      (setq iso-accents-minor-mode nil)

    ;; Enable electric accents.
    (setq iso-accents-minor-mode t)))

;;; iso-acc.el ends here

-- 
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From: "Dan J. Nix" <nixdj@cat.com>
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Subject: Printing and font warnings in Xemacs
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I am fairly new to xemacs, but I am trying to take advantage
of all the cool features it has.

I was able to print a buffer to a color postscript printer. But it seems
no matter what font size I use, I can only get 82 characters in a line
to print and then the text wraps.  Is there a way to specify how many
characters per line xemacs can print or specify a margin?

I am running xemacs 19.14 on an HP-UX A.09.05 735.

Here are some settings I currently use:
  (setq-default ps-print-color-p 'a)
  (setq-default ps-font-size 8)
  (setq-default ps-line-height 8.2)
  (setq-default ps-paper-type 'ps-letter)

My face-property font is:
-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8

And finally, the command I use to print is:
ps-print-buffer-with-faces


Also, I get a warning buffer each time a startup xemacs that starts of
like:

(1) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce a bold-italic version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"

(2) (font/warning) xemacs: couldn't deduce an italic version of
"-bitstream-prestige-medium-r-normal--16-120-72-72-m-80-hp-roman8"

Is there any way to prevent the font warnings buffer from coming up? I
really don't want to fix the warnings, I just don't care to see them
each time.

Thanks!

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From: perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de (Perbandt.Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 )
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Hi there,

I use the prebuilt XEmacs 19.14 with Sparcworks support under SOLARIS
2.4 on a SPARC 5. My login shell is csh.

My problem with commands like M-x grep M-x compile and the like stems
from the fact that in our centralized shell startup files the cd
command is "improved" a bit. The improvement is that whenever I
perform a cd /some/path in a shell window, after completion of the cd
command a string enclosed in escape sequences is echoed in the
shell. The escape sequences serve for writing the new working
directory into the window's headline.

The above mentioned XEmacs commands perform a cd to the current buffer's
working directory as their first action. But inside of XEmacs the
escaped string does not go into XEmacs' window's headline but is
printed into the compilation/grep or so buffer. And the first line of
output of the respective command is attached immediately behind this
ugly string. In this way e. g. the first line of output is not
handled properly by the XEmacs compilation/grep mode.

The overloading of the cd command is performed by a csh alias. I
already played around a bit with a ~/.emacs_csh file but while
executed when starting an inferior shell using M-x shell this file
does not seem to be executed when starting a compilation or grep
process. 

Any ideas what I could do to unalias the cd in this context?

Many thanks,

Adalbert Perbandt
                    ------------------------
               Adalbert Perbandt  SIEMENS AG  
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From: gaborit@enstimac.fr (Paul GABORIT)
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I have a problem with xemacs 19.14 (binaries version for SunOS 4.1.x).

When i kill xemacs using xkill (or exiting openwindows), xemacs prints this
message every seconds during 10 minutes :

    xemacs: Fatal I/O Error 32 (Broken pipe) on display connection ":0.0"
        after 2785 requests (2783 known processed) with 0 events remaining.

The Solaris version (binaries for Solaris 2.4) of xemacs dies immediatly. 

What can i do to solve this problem ?

Thank you.

--
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From: dweller@dfw.net (David Weller)
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Subject: Force C++ mode with .h files?
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Yes, I checked the FAQs (maybe not closely enough?)

I'd just like to get C++ mode (and its respective font-lock-mode) with
.h files.  RIght now the // comments are giving everything fits
(Please, no lectures about picking good file naming conventions :-)

I tried to modify a few .el files, with no success, so I'm guessing
the solution is something much simpler, like putting
(setq i-really-mean-c++-not-c-mode-you-stupid-beast) in my .emacs?
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I have the following in my .emacs to do just that.

(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append '(("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
		("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.cpp$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.h$"  . c++-mode)
		("\\.hh$" . c++-mode)
		("\\.idl$". c++-mode)
		("\\.c$"  . c-mode))
	      auto-mode-alist))

David Weller writes:
 > Yes, I checked the FAQs (maybe not closely enough?)
 > 
 > I'd just like to get C++ mode (and its respective font-lock-mode) with
 > .h files.  RIght now the // comments are giving everything fits
 > (Please, no lectures about picking good file naming conventions :-)
 > 
 > I tried to modify a few .el files, with no success, so I'm guessing
 > the solution is something much simpler, like putting
 > (setq i-really-mean-c++-not-c-mode-you-stupid-beast) in my .emacs?
 > -- 
 >     Visit the Ada 95 Booch Components Homepage: www.ocsystems.com/booch
 >      This is not your father's Ada -- www.adahome.com <== Note new URL!

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>>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew O Persico <matthewp@main.idt.net> writes:

Matthew> Prior to 19.14, any multi-line text entered in a shell would
Matthew> remain multi-lined when recalled (ESC-p). Now, multi-lined
Matthew> text has the \n removed and ends up on one line. How can I
Matthew> turn off this "feature" ;-)

It looks pretty multi-lined to me.  (Linux 2.0/zsh-3.0.0)
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>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

    DM> Is there are a recommended place to use c-set-style?  I've
    DM> been using it in c-mode-common-hook to define my own style,
    DM> but I just noticed that the style is getting defined multiple
    DM> times (probably once for every C file I read).

c-mode-common-hook is the best place to call c-set-style.  I don't
understand what `getting defined multiple times' means.  c-set-style
shouldn't be defining a style (just installing an already existing
one) so I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

    DM> Anyone have a better method?  Is there c-mode-load-hook?

No, there is no load hook for cc-mode.el

-Barry

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>>>>> "AP" == Anand Pillai <anand@ERC.MsState.Edu> writes:

    AP> I tried mapping my enter key to indent automatically from some
    AP> postings in this newsgroup.

    AP> I included the line (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m"
    AP> 'newline-and-indent) in my ~/.emacs

    AP> But thie did not work. I checked the file access time of my
    AP> ~/.emacs and it is not being read at all. So I tried typing
    AP> that line after pressing M-x in xemacs. Then xemacs says "[No
    AP> match]".

The problem is that c-mode-map is defined in cc-mode.el which isn't
loaded into your Emacs by default.  Either add a (require 'cc-mode)
before the define-key call, or better yet, put the define-key inside a
hook function and attach the hook function to c-mode-common-hook.  See
the on-line cc-mode info for details.

    AP> Any suggestions. I am using 19.13 XEmacs Lucid. At present I
    AP> am getting over this problem by typing global-set-key after
    AP> M-x in xemacs.

Actually, I global-set-key that binding myself since I use this in
almost all my programming modes.  Of course you don't need to use M-x
for that.  You can just put this in your .emacs file:

    (global-set-key "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)

-Barry

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I have seen this problem with xemacs 19.14 running on AIX
when I restart the mwm window manager.  Xemacs stops responding
to keyboard and mouse events, except that dropdown menus still
work fine.  I don't know what causes this, but I've found a
way to get the behavior back to normal:  from the Buffers menu
choose List All Buffers.  This seems to bring the keyboard back
to life.

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I am running GNU emacs 19.30.1 on a Linux PC with i386-suse-linux.
Things are running fine EXCEPT for the following little problem:
I cannot invoce emacs and directly load a file by typing 'emacs file'.
I then simply get an empty emacs window with the message:

    Args out of range: "rosinante, 54, 9

('rosinante' is the name of my machine). Loading files with ^x^f
works just fine as seem all the other emacs features. BTW: If I
just type 'emacs' I get the same strange error message.

Any ideas what it means? Any ideas how to fix the problem?

                     Cheers,
                               Lars

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Make sure that ``comint-input-autoexpand'' is set to nil.  It annoyed
me for a while (it happened many releases ago).  I have no clue how I
ended up figuring that out.

    comint-input-autoexpand's value is nil
      -- a variable declared in Lisp.

    Documentation:
    *If non-nil, expand input command history references on completion.
    This mirrors the optional behavior of tcsh (its autoexpand and histlit).

    If the value is `input', then the expansion is seen on input.
    If the value is `history', then the expansion is only when inserting
    into the buffer's input ring.  See also `comint-magic-space' and
    `comint-dynamic-complete'.

    This variable is buffer-local.

--pete

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Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il> wrote:
> XEmacs seems to have difficulties scrolling images

I have the same problem using TM and xemacs-19.14.  I'm assuming it
will be fixed in 19.15?  Could it be a problem with TM as opposed to
xemacs?

The scrolling for text in regular ascii files isn't that great either.
Putting the scroll bar at the bottom-most position should display the
bottom part of your file, but it doesn't.  It shows a blank screen or
only the last line.  That's very annoying!  Why would I want to see
that?

John Mann

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From: gakumar@ichips.intel.com (Ganesh Kumar)
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Subject: font-lock mode
Date: 23 Oct 1996 21:42:42 GMT
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Hi,

'edt.el' in Xemacs-v19.13 (which appears to be different from the one in 
Gnu Emacs) has the following line,

		(require 'keypad)

however I am unable to find 'keypad.el' in the distribution. Can someone 
mail/point this file to me...thanks.

--
Not speaking for Intel


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From: shredder@prairienet.org (Shridhar Deuskar)
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Hi : 

I installed the precompiled binaries of xemacs19.14 on a Sparc10 running
Solaris 2.4. However when I try running xemacs I get 

Initialization error: Invalid geometry resource

and xemacs doesnot start. However I start an xterm ans unset the DISPLAY
variable xemacs loads in that xterm ! So what's going on ?

Thanks for any input

shridhar
shredder@prairienet.org

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I launch GNUS from an xemacs session (click on NEWS) and when
viewing news articles I try to send a URL to netscape and get ...

Symbol's function definition is void: vm-mouse-send-url-to-netscape


It works fine in VM ;(

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

TIA,

	Rob -

//=======================================================
// Robert Nader: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au
//=======================================================

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Which Mail Backend is recommended for use with Gnus? My first preference was
nnbabyl (since I've used RMAIL for years), but I've had a heck of a time
incorporating my old RMAIL file (I reported my problems to gnu.emacs.gnus,
gnu.emacs.help, and the gnus-bug mailing list). Or perhaps I can turn the
question around, and ask which Mail Backend is:
- the most popular among users?
- the backend used by gnus developers?
Since I can't use my first choice, I might as well use the backend which
is most actively being worked on.


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From: Ryan Watkins <vamp@zero.dimensionx.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: VM: Suppressing expansion of aliases?
Date: 23 Oct 1996 16:51:01 -0700
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David Guertin <guertin@caddis.middlebury.edu> writes:

> Here's the problem:  I have an alias set up in my .mailrc as
> all_staff.  all_staff consists of about 50 names, and whenever I send
> a message out, all the recipients get this enormous header that
> includes all the names.  I want the header that the recipients see
> just to say 'all_staff'.
> 
> Can anyone recommend a way to do this in VM?

You could just BCC: to the alias, so they'd never see it.

-- 
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Richard Pieri (ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu) wrote:
: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

: >>>>> "CR" == Colin Rafferty <craffert@spssunp.spspme.ml.com> writes:

: >> I'd like to see you do that with a C shell on a command line.

: CR> % foreach f (*.C)
: CR> ? echo mv $f ${f:h}.cc
: CR> ? mv $f ${f:h}.cc
: CR> ? end

: Now do it on a single command line so you can enclose it in parentheses
: so as to redirect stdio once for the whole thing as a single command
: rather than mucking around with multiple redirections (which are bad
: enough in csh).

: AFAIK, the only way to do that with csh is to write a script.

this can be done using pipes:

ls -1 *.C | sed 's/^\(.*\)\.C/mv \1.C \1.cc/' | sh

sure it's gross, but it is most effective.  it's the unix way!  you
can do it in any shell.  but i still don't recommend csh.  ;-)

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lim@telerobotics.jpl.nasa.gov (David Lim) writes:

> Or perhaps I can turn the question around, and ask which Mail
> Backend is:
> - the most popular among users?

nnfolder.

> - the backend used by gnus developers?

nnml.

-- 
  "Yes.  The journey through the human heart 
     would have to wait until some other time."

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From: cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: What is the "LFD" key?
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:54:10 -0700
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The subject says it all.

the documentation refers to hitting the "LFD" key instead of <enter> to
indent the next line. What is the LFD key?

I'm running xemacs 19.14 under Linux using a 101 key PC keyboard.

Thanks

-Chris Barker

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cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

> 
> The subject says it all.
> 
> the documentation refers to hitting the "LFD" key instead of <enter> to
> indent the next line. What is the LFD key?
> 
> I'm running xemacs 19.14 under Linux using a 101 key PC keyboard.

C-j

-thomas



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From: Dominique Dumont <domi@marlis.grenoble.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: OO-Browser dead?
Date: 24 Oct 1996 09:42:43 +0200
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lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis) writes:

> 
> 
> The last change to the OO-Browser was in May, but the mailing list
> won't allow me to subscribe.
> 
> Is anyone maintaining the OO-Browser?  How does one report problems or
> bugs?  Supposedly, the mailing list is for this purpose.
>

Bob is considering starting a high quality
commercial support business focused exclusively on InfoDock, XEmacs and Emacs
support (and any included Lisp packages such as Hyperbole and the
OO-Browser).

His new e-mail address is weiner@yggdrasil.com.

The new oo-browser mailing list is managed by majordomo@dstc.edu.au .

> Is anyone even using it?
> 

I often use oo-browser to maintain some objective-c code for my real work.


Hope this helps

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From: Anders Stenman <stenman@isy.liu.se>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: What is the "LFD" key?
Date: 24 Oct 1996 09:47:14 +0200
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cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

> 
> The subject says it all.
> 
> the documentation refers to hitting the "LFD" key instead of <enter> to
> indent the next line. What is the LFD key?
> 
> I'm running xemacs 19.14 under Linux using a 101 key PC keyboard.

LFD =3D linefeed. I don't have a LFD key on my Sun workstation either, so
I use C-j instead.

/Anders

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you must use the command "debug name" (name = name of the program you want to 
debug), anf the buttons will be active.

Christophe




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From: doyle@slsvekt.sel.alcatel.de (Aidan Doyle KS/EIC3 60/1/29 #40597)
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Hi,

I'm using xemacs V 19.13. I noticed that there are accelerator keys
and corresponding vm commands for most motions but none to read new
mail. The only way to read new mail seems to be to click on the
message in the summary area. Can anyone please tell me how to set up an
accelerator key to read new mail?


Thanks,

Aidan
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>>>>> "Aidan" == Aidan Doyle KS/EIC3 60/1/29 #40597 <doyle@slsvekt.sel.alcatel.de> writes:

    Aidan> Hi, I'm using xemacs V 19.13. I noticed that there are
    Aidan> accelerator keys and corresponding vm commands for most
    Aidan> motions but none to read new mail. The only way to read new
    Aidan> mail seems to be to click on the message in the summary
    Aidan> area. Can anyone please tell me how to set up an
    Aidan> accelerator key to read new mail?


    Aidan> Thanks,

    Aidan> Aidan --
    Aidan> ------------------------------------------------------
    Aidan> Aidan Doyle Software Engineer Tel No: +49 (0)711 821 40597
    Aidan> Fax No: +49 (0)711 821 47045
    Aidan> Email:            doyle@lts.sel.alcatel.de
On xemacs 19.14 with vm C-h b reports

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Gildas Perrot <perrot@francenet.fr> wrote:

> pr: illegal option -- f
> 
> In fact, -f is not available on the pr version of BSD/OS 2.1. How to
> solve this problem ?

Do you mean -F?

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From: Ronald Fischer <ronald.fischer@uebemc.siemens.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Force C++ mode with .h files?
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:58:37 +0200
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David Weller wrote:

> I'd just like to get C++ mode (and its respective font-lock-mode) with
> .h files.  RIght now the // comments are giving everything fits
> (Please, no lectures about picking good file naming conventions :-)

This is what I have in my .emacs:

(setq auto-mode-alist
      '(("\\.C$"  . c++-mode)
        ("\\.cc$" . c++-mode)
        ("\\.h$" . c++-mode)
        ("\\.c$" . c++-mode)
        ("/\\.emacs.*$" . emacs-lisp-mode)))

This should select the mode based on the file name extension.

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>>>>> Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>:

[snip!]
> otherwise the behaviour of psgml itself seems very similar: the mafor
> difference is the presence of psgml-html.el which defines html mode as
> derived from sgml mode + template stuff.

Is that very different from the approach outlined in
	<URL:http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html>
?

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Johan Kullstam (johan19@liberty.ca.idt.net) wrote:
> : AFAIK, the only way to do that with csh is to write a script.
> this can be done using pipes:
> ls -1 *.C | sed 's/^\(.*\)\.C/mv \1.C \1.cc/' | sh

Bzzt, pipe to sh! :)  This reminds of tchrist describing a way to
print something to stdout from csh:
sh -c 'echo error 1>&2'

It's not a true display of csh possibilities. :)

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From: jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy)
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Subject: regular expression pains with [^>]
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Greetings,

This should be quite easy to do...reading the FAQ and the info
pages hasn't helped me though.

I want to match ONLY lines which DO NOT begin with a ">".  

So, I tried:

^[^>].*$ which doesn't work
^[^>\n].*$ which doesn't work
^[^>\n\r^M].*$ which doesn't work

Can somebody give me a hand!  They all almost work, but delete the first
line of > indented text. ie.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
hello

> asdf
> blah

----------------------------------------------------------------------
becomes:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> blah
----------------------------------------------------------------------

(when I issue the reg-exp with a delete-matching-lines.

Help :-(

Jon

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From: "Robert M. Fuhrer" <rmf@watson.ibm.com>
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Since noone else has mentioned this trick, I thought I would.  The solutions
others have offered work only if you want C++ mode for *all* .h files.  If,
however, you only want to force *certain* .h files into C++ mode, you can
put a line like the following near the top of those files:

//             This looks like C, but is really -*- C++ -*-             //

The key part of the line is the "-*- C++ -*-".  This is a generic mechanism:
you can replace "C++" with any mode name string.

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Use C-x C-c to kill emacs instead of destroying its window using X.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Infinite insertion with apply-macro-to-region-lines
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I don't get such behavior in emacs-version "19.13 XEmacs Lucid, InfoDock
3.4". Here's the defun I see (in macros.el)

(defun apply-macro-to-region-lines (top bottom &optional macro)
  (interactive "r")
  (or macro
      (progn
	(if (null last-kbd-macro)
	    (error "No keyboard macro has been defined."))
	(setq macro last-kbd-macro)))
  (save-excursion
    (let ((end-marker (progn
			(goto-char bottom)
			(beginning-of-line)
			(point-marker)))
	  next-line-marker)
      (goto-char top)
      (if (not (bolp))
	  (forward-line 1))
      (setq next-line-marker (point-marker))
      (while (< next-line-marker end-marker)
	(goto-char next-line-marker)
	(save-excursion
	  (forward-line 1)
	  (set-marker next-line-marker (point)))
	(save-excursion
	  (execute-kbd-macro (or macro last-kbd-macro))))
      (set-marker end-marker nil)
      (set-marker next-line-marker nil))))

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In article <vkzk9sg24gc.fsf@marlis.grenoble.hp.com> Dominique Dumont <domi@marlis.grenoble.hp.com> writes:

> His new e-mail address is weiner@yggdrasil.com.
And since recently, weiner@infodock.com.


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>>>>> "Per" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

Per> Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no> writes:

>> Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>:

>   o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in .htm* have
>     the "proper" header and footer information inserted?

> Hrrm... never gotten this to work quite right.  But should be possible
> to handle.

Per> You should be able to do this with `auto-insert'.

I set html-helper-new-buffer-template:

(setq-default html-helper-new-buffer-template
      '(html-helper-htmldtd-version
        "<HTML>\n"
        "<HEAD>\n"
        "<TITLE>" (p "Document Title: " title) "</TITLE>\n"
        "</HEAD>\n\n"
        "<BODY>\n"
        "<H1>" (s title) "</H1>\n\n"
        p
        "\n</BODY>\n</HTML>\n"))

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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk> writes:

Tim> The xemacs one is somewhat out of date compared to the most
Tim> current one (1.0a9 vs 1.0a12 I think?)

The version in the current 19.15 beta is synched with psgml 1a12.  There
wasn't time left in the 19.14 beta cycle late to upgrade it any higher
than it ended up.

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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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Ian MacKinnon writes:
 > >>>>> Aidan Doyle writes:
 > 
 >     Aidan> [ ... ] I noticed that there are accelerator keys and
 >     Aidan> corresponding vm commands for most motions but none to
 >     Aidan> read new mail.

 > g            vm-get-new-mail

or, maybe, the question is a bit fuzzy, you may want to try M-n, i.e.,

vm-next-unread-message:
Move forward to the nearest new or unread message, if there is one.

hth
                                                                gb

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From: jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy)
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Subject: Re: Infinite insertion with apply-macro-to-region-lines
Date: 24 Oct 1996 17:39:37 +0200
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In <omiv80wiw8.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca> Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:

Quoting Vladimir Alexiev,
| 
| [The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted
| as well. Before you reply to it, please consider if it is not better to also
| post your reply. Please do not reply if you only want to say thank-you.]
| 
| I don't get such behavior in emacs-version "19.13 XEmacs Lucid, InfoDock
| 3.4". Here's the defun I see (in macros.el)
| 
| (defun apply-macro-to-region-lines (top bottom &optional macro)
| <snip>

Well I eventually found out what was going wrong.  Well sort of.

If the "Auto Delete Selection" is on, then the apply-macro-to-region-lines
does not work as advertised....

So, how can I have the best of both worlds?  ie. I want the apply to
work irrespective of ADS setting.  Is this a bug?

Jon

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il>
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Subject: help: local variables
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Hi,
Is there a way to make a global variable local for a progn structure?
lets say the variable global-var has the value 5.
is there a way to do
(progn
  (make-variable-progn-local 'global-var)
  (setq global-var 1)
  )
and have the previous value preserved (something like
make-variable-buffer-local)?

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	Shlomo Mahlab

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>>>>> "Ganesh" == Ganesh Kumar <gakumar@ichips.intel.com> writes:

Ganesh> Hi,

Ganesh> 'edt.el' in Xemacs-v19.13 (which appears to be different from
Ganesh> the one in Gnu Emacs) has the following line,

Ganesh> 		(require 'keypad)

Ganesh> however I am unable to find 'keypad.el' in the
Ganesh> distribution. Can someone mail/point this file to me...thanks.

An inquiry about edt.el, cool.  Edt.el in XEmacs 19.13 & 19.14 is
broken and possibly never worked.  Your best bet is to port edt.el
from the latest GNU Emacs, or wait until 19.15 is released -- it will
contain a (tested) edt.el ported from GNU Emacs 19.34.
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>>>>> "Morgan" == Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org> writes:

Morgan> I'd like to try psgml-mode for xemacs as a means of creating
Morgan> HTML documents. I currently use html-helper-mode, but I
Morgan> understand that psgml-mode offers some benefits over
Morgan> html-helper-mode:

Morgan>   o Using the proper DTD, only the valid tags are available,
Morgan>     based on document context.

It uses <!DOCTTYPE ...> to determine the proper DTD.

Morgan>   o (I think) it does superior fontification, indentation than
Morgan>     html-helper-mode. (I base this only on
Morgan>     http://www.XEmacs.org/faq/wingpsgml-mode.gif and what I've
Morgan>     read in comp.emacs.xemacs.)

Yes.  Definitely superior fontification.  There are limitations on
what it can do when typing in multiline constructs that won't be fixed
until it uses some of the real parsing it already does instead of
font-lock for coloration (as recommended by the current maintainer of
font-lock).

Morgan>   o It is possible to use it with an external tool -- sgmls --
Morgan>     for document authentification.

Yes.  Use sgmls-1.1.91 (the one that Mark Gaither's www.webtechs.com
uses), and an sgml-validate-command along the lines of:

(setq sgml-validate-command
      "sgmls-1.1.91 -s -m /home/steve/sgml/CATALOG %s %s")


Morgan> I haven't tried it yet. In fact, I'm a bit overwhelmed by the
Morgan> info pages.

Morgan> Could someone please offer a Gentle Introduction to psgml-mode
Morgan> in xemacs?

There are several good ones.

Morgan> Steven Baur: I propose that such an intro would be a nice
Morgan> addition to the Xemacs FAQ.

Try these URLs:
Unattributed, no owner link defined, college course material on
setting up psgml 0.4.
	http://www.hti.umich.edu/class/ils606/tools/psgml.html

Introductory material by Nigel Kerr <nigelk@umich.edu> for a workshop
given in June 1995, and updated in January 1996.
	http://www.hti.umich.edu/~nigelk/emacs/psgml.html

Double rats.  This page is gone now.  There was formerly a lot of good
HTML validation & psgml here.
	http://www.cs.hut.fi/~sti/psgml+sgmls.html


O.K.  Point taken.  I'll see what I can do.

Morgan> I am not interested in other DTD's beyond HTML right now. What
Morgan> I would like to edit HTML documents using a DTD that supports
Morgan> some of the newer tags in HTML. Is there such a thing as a
Morgan> Netscape DTD?

Yes, see html-netscape.dtd in etc/sgml of dubious origin.  The next
release of XEmacs will have Daniel Connolly and Mark Gaither's reverse
engineered html-mcom.dtd.  I've heard rumors of a new version of a
Netscape DTD, and I'll make sure that gets included as well.

Morgan> I'd like to see examples of useful initialization code for
Morgan> psgml-mode, for instance:

Morgan>   o How do I cause psgml-mode to be the default mode whenever
Morgan>     I open a file ending in .htm*?

I currently use:
(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append '(
                ("\\.sgml\\'" . sgml-mode)
                ("\\.html\\'" . html-mode)
                ("\\.htm\\'" .  html-mode)
                ("\\.html3\\'" . sgml-mode)
                ("\\.ht3\\'" .   sgml-mode)
                )
              auto-mode-alist
              )
      )

[This has been made the default for XEmacs 19.15].

Morgan>   o How do I set up psgml-mode so that new documents ending in
Morgan>     .htm* have the "proper" header and footer information
Morgan>     inserted? (By proper, I mean things like the SGML
Morgan>     declaration, document type, local variables, etc. I did
Morgan>     something like this in html-helper-mode with (setq
Morgan>     html-helper-build-new-buffer t).)

Use a template.

Morgan>   o How do I set up psgml-mode to use a DTD? Where do I put
Morgan>     it? Do I need to add new DTD's (are they files, or... ?)
Morgan>     to my pc for things like HTML 3.0 or Netscape extensions?

In general: create a subdirectory ~/sgml, copy the files from the
XEmacs data directory etc/sgml, and make the modifications you want.
A good place to get new DTDs is
	http://www.webtechs.com/

Morgan>   o How do I get psgml to automatically fontify an HTML
Morgan>     document and use auto-indenting?

It should do that by default.

Morgan>   o How do I set up validation for an HTML document?

With a proper `sgml-validate-command', you can type C-c C-v.

Morgan>   o What are some neat tricks for psgml-mode? (What I mean are
Morgan>     things like useful fonts, menu items, bindings, settings,
Morgan>     etc.)

Morgan> What's the difference between psgml-mode:

Morgan>   http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html


Morgan> ...and "Wing-enhanced" psgml-mode? Is the one that comes with
Morgan> xemacs 19.14 substantially different from the one referenced
Morgan> by the above URL? How so?

They are not substantially different.  There are a few minor fixes to
make psgml more XEmacs friendly, along with the addition of stuff from
html-helper-mode, and tempo.el.

Morgan> Can I use the information on these two pages to configure
Morgan> psgml-mode in xemacs?

Morgan>   http://www.lysator.liu.se/projects/about_psgml.html

Yes.

Morgan>   http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html

This describes a different directory structure than is currently in
use, so it is probably not too useful unless you wish to reorganize
things along these lines.

Morgan> Is there a FAQ, HOWTO or beginner's introduction for
Morgan> psgml-mode anywhere, besides the info pages for psgml-mode
Morgan> that come with xemacs? The info pages seem to assume a
Morgan> familiarity with SGML -- I'm honestly befuddled by them.

Try the introductory materials from the University of Michigan site
listed above.

Morgan> I'd be glad to encapsulate what I learn about psgml-mode &
Morgan> xemacs on a web page for public consumption, assuming I do
Morgan> learn something. :-)

I'll link to (or mirror if you need it) whatever you decide to put up.

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Subject: Setting the icon for XEmacs?
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Is there a way set the icon for XEmacs to be a 
given image? On my installation, XEmacs appears
as a default icon (that is, the icon used for applications
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Hi, I am running Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.4. When I connect to a
running Xemacs on my Solaris system from a remote host everything works
fine unless I loose my network connection for some reason. Once the
remote frame is lost, my main Xemacs processes  dies soon after.

Typical scenario, I dial into my workstation from home using PPP over a
dialup line and startup a remote frame with 

	gnudoit '(make-frame-on-display "remote:0.0")'

At some point I loose my telephone connection unexpectedly and the
remote frame dies. The main Xemacs on my server workstation dies also.
Is there some way to prevent this from happening? 

In fact, a follow up to this is that the remote frame that is created by
the above gnudoit command has the File->Delete Frame command grayed
over. However, I can issue the command C-x 5 0 by hand and the remote
frame will go away. BUT this also causes the server Xemacs to exit. What
is wrong here?

mike harper
Alcoa Laboratories



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From: Jerome Kalifa <kalifa@cmapx.polytechnique.fr>
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Subject: gnuclient & new frames
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:39:04 +0100
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Hi,

I would like to disable gnuserv from opening a new frame when using
gnuclient (for example when clicking on a file via tkdesk).
I have looked at the Xemacs FAQ in the help menu. Part 21 is devoted to
gnuserv and question 21.1 is *How do I disable gnuserv from opening a
new frame?*.
A suggestion is :

**
you could put

     (setq gnuserv-screen (selected-frame))

   early on in your `.emacs', to ensure that the first frame created is
the one used for your gnuserv buffers.
**

I 've done this. I 've even tried to put this command in different
places in my .emacs. This still doesn't work, every gnuclient keeps
being opened in a new frame. Any idea?
Muchas gracias amigos?
-- 
Jerome Kalifa
Centre de Mathematiques Appliquees, 
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France.  (33) (1) 69333981

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Is there a scheduled release date for 19.15?
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I want to do something really ugly. We have an outdated code control
system here that will not allow me to use XEmacs as my editor. I can
use XEmacs for flat files and development (which I do), but to check
the changes in, I have to use this really crufty editor. It tries to
emulate emacs keystrokes, but that's about it. 

I have been able to bring the editor up in term mode (M-x term
<ret>). I set my TERM=xterm because xve (the "other" editor) doesn't
recognize "eterm" as a terminal type. The editor comes up and works
as it should except that the mouse does not work. What I want to do
is have my flat file in one buffer and the xve view of it in another
(term mode buffer) and cut and paste between them. I usually use the
mouse buttons for this (select->button-1, cut->button-3,
paste->button-2), but term mode does not let me do that. I can cut
from my flat files OK, but term mode doesn't do anything with my
paste (button-2). 

Is there anything I can do? 

TIA,
Steve
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From: Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com>
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Darren Toler wrote:
> 
> Hi out there in Xemacs Land,
> 
> I have a question that maybe someone has already figured out...
> 
> I am running Xemacs 19.14 under HPUX 10.10.  We have the HP C/ANSI C
> Developer's Kit on our system which includes the HP/DDE debugger.  This
> debugger includes aliases to make it xdb compatible and a set of macros
> to make it dbx compatible.
> 
> Now for the question: Can I use Xemacs to 'drive' the debugger by
> setting it up to emulate one of these other debuggers? or does someone
> have an Xemacs routine to integrate the HP debugger?
> 
> THANKS!!!
> 
> Darren Toler
> d.toler@jsc.nasa.gov
> kittiara@ghgcorp.com

Thanks to all who have responded to me to look at
/opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el!

Now I need a new type of help.  Has anyone converted this to Xemacs
19.14? It is for GNU emacs 18. :-(  I have tried to merge it with gdb.el
for 19.14, but I haven't had much luck.  It was written from gdb.el for
GNU emacs with no toolbar support and it uses shell instead of comint. 

Thanks!!!

Darren
darren.toler@jsc.nasa.gov
kittiara@ghgcorp.com

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testing, please ignore

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one more test.....

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From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Thu Oct 24 16:04:12 1996
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Yuck.  I seemed to be able to get this to work by replacing your '$'s
with imbedded ctrl-j's (C-q C-j).  This seems like a bug to me.

PS - this work-around worked in XEmacs ut not gnu.

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From: Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com>
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HI

Is there a resource file in the xemacs directory structure that 
allows you to create global default settings for everyone using
xemacs?  Like a system .cshrc file.

I need to make some custom settings for our system but I don't
know how to  make it global for all my xemacs users.

Thanks.
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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

DM> Is there are a recommended place to use c-set-style?  I've been using it
DM> in c-mode-common-hook to define my own style, but I just noticed that the
DM> style is getting defined multiple times (probably once for every C file I
DM> read).

BAW> c-mode-common-hook is the best place to call c-set-style.  I don't
BAW> understand what `getting defined multiple times' means.  c-set-style
BAW> shouldn't be defining a style (just installing an already existing one)
BAW> so I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

My mistake -- I was appending my style definition directly to c-style-alist
rather than using 'c-add-style (hmmm, is c-add-style new and that led me to
use append because it wasn't available?) in c-mode-common-hook.  I switched to
c-add-style which replaces the style if it exists and things seem to be
better.

Except, this means that every time I load a C file, my local style gets passed
to c-add-style again which replaces it in c-style-alist even though nothing
has changed (short of writing my own elisp function, is there a way that you
could change a style on the fly?).  Therefore, c-add-style seems to be a good
candidate for something you would do in a load hook (true?).

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>>>>> "Darren" == Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com> writes:

Darren> Thanks to all who have responded to me to look at
Darren> /opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el!

Darren> Now I need a new type of help.  Has anyone converted this to Xemacs
Darren> 19.14? It is for GNU emacs 18. :-( I have tried to merge it with
Darren> gdb.el for 19.14, but I haven't had much luck.  It was written from
Darren> gdb.el for GNU emacs with no toolbar support and it uses shell instead
Darren> of comint.

Haven't tried dde.el.  However, this is one reason I use HP's xdb which is
reasonably integrated with XEmacs.  Add this to your .emacs for quick toolbar
support.

  (defun toolbar-debug ()
    (interactive)
    (call-interactively 'xdb)
    )

It has its quirks, but it does work.  Be aware of:

1. If XDB asks a question (like "Really quit?"), it may not be visible because
   comint only outputs the line on a carriage return, so, if it seems like its
   hung, try inputting something and hitting return.
2. Carefully read the comments in xdb.el and gud.el for XEmacs.  They explain
   more than the Info documentation does.
3. If dde.el works with XEmacs, then you could put 'dde in place of 'xdb above
   and integrate it with the toolbar that way.  Even 'xdb doesn't implement
   menu support (comint does), so you may not miss the menu.


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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Zidlicky <rdzidlic@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

Richard> many thanks for the replies, I think I am now able to setup
Richard> .emacs as needed, once I have convinced our admins to
Richard> recompile Xemacs with MIT_COOKIE support on. Why isn't this
Richard> the default anyway?

It *is* the default if the Xauth library (-lXau) or Xauth.h is found
during configuration.

You do not need to rebuild all of XEmacs to have it enabled for
gnuserv.
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>>>>> "John" == John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
>>>>> "Shlomo" == Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il> wrote:

Shlomo> XEmacs seems to have difficulties scrolling images

John> I have the same problem using TM and xemacs-19.14.

Yes, this is a known problem.

John> I'm assuming it will be fixed in 19.15?

Hopefully.

John> Could it be a problem with TM as opposed to xemacs?

No.  It just seems to be from tm because that is one of the easiest
modes to bring up pictures in, but the same thing happens with W3.
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Subject: bug: font lock and make mode
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With font lock enabled if I try to load a makefile
which contains a shell comment xemacs gives an error.
(or try to create a shell comment in a makefile).

Here's the output of version:

XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on xemacs

Here's an example makefile which causes the problem:
-------------- cut here ---------
ALL: everything.c
        #this is a shell comment
-------------- cut here -----------
save this into a file named "Makefile" and then
start xemacs and load this file.

The problem is that xemacs tries to call the
variable "makefile-space-face" as a function.

This patch to lisp/modes/make-mode.el fixes the
probem (apply with "patch -p1" in the directory) :

*** /tmp/make-mode.el   Thu Oct 24 17:44:47 1996
--- make-mode.el        Thu Oct 24 17:47:29 1996
***************
*** 245,251 ****
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.
--- 245,251 ----
  
     ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
     ;; since these can fool people.
!    '("^\t+#" 0 makefile-space-face t)
  
     ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
     ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.

-- 
Raghavan <rmenon@ca.igt.com>

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>>>>> "Perbandt" == Perbandt Adalbert T 7651 R 92-510 WS tf24 <perbandt@tmntn.mch.sni.de> writes:

Perbandt> I use the prebuilt XEmacs 19.14 with Sparcworks support
Perbandt> under SOLARIS 2.4 on a SPARC 5. My login shell is csh.

Perbandt> My problem with commands like M-x grep M-x compile and the
Perbandt> like stems from the fact that in our centralized shell
Perbandt> startup files the cd command is "improved" a bit.

 [csh cd lossage ...]

Perbandt> Any ideas what I could do to unalias the cd in this context?

Don't alias it in the first place if csh is being invoked
noninteractively, or correct the alias to shut up in a noninteractive
context.

You might also complain about being forced to use broken
initialization scripts.

You could also do:
(setq shell-file-name "/bin/sh")

(which should really be an XEmacs default).
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Bjorn T Johansen <bjorntj@softinn.no>
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Hi.

Does anyone know if it is possible to get the OO-Browser to work using Emacs and 
not XEmacs?


Cheers,

BTJ


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Hi,

I have a problem with XEmacs/Gnus. In our LAN exactly one machine
"knows" the NNTP server. and when I want to read net news I have to
run the newsreader remote on that machine using my workstation as an
X-display. My favorite newsreader is Gnus.

I use the prebuilt XEmacs 19.14 with SPARCWorks support
included. Unfortunately on the above mentioned "gateway machine" no
SPARCWorks is installed. So XEmacs complains upon startup as follows:

(1) (sunpro/warning) XEmacs was compiled with support for Sun Developer Products,
but neither `workshop' nor `sparcworks' were found on the PATH.

Is there any chance to avoid this message?

Thanks in advance,

Adalbert Perbandt

PS.: Would it be possible to configure Gnus to be able to access the
NNTP server from my local machine via the gateway?

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From: Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr>
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Subject: Problem with Alsys smalsis Ada compilations....
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:24:31 +0200
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The problem is this, The Alsys compiler is very stupid
and needs me to press return when it prints out a list
of files it can't find, how do I do this in the compile
buffer ?

And the dream on request is....
Has anyone got and ada-mode extension for Alsys using
Continuus as a CM tool ?

Steve Jones

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: regular expression pains with [^>]
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Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
> I want to match ONLY lines which DO NOT begin with a ">".

And delete them?  Well, you can always use M-x delete-non-matching-lines
with "^>" as the argument.

Or do you want to delete the lines which DO BEGIN with a ">"?  Then
use M-x delete-matching-lines with "^>" as the arguments.

> So, I tried:
> ^[^>].*$ which doesn't work
[...]

This one works for me, but is unnecessary (see before).  Try to avoid
`.*' in your egexps if possible.  Also, anchor them with `^' whenever
appropriate.

-- 
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Mike Harrelson (harrelson@reticular.com) wrote:
> I need to make some custom settings for our system but I don't
> know how to  make it global for all my xemacs users.

Use prefix/xemacs-19.14/lisp/site-start.el

where prefix is the prefix to which XEmacs is installed, usually
/usr/local.

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From: Daniel Schild <schild@csmd.cs.Uni-Magdeburg.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: remapping Enter key
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:52:42 +0200
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Tom Kludy wrote:
> 
> Tom Kludy (tkludy@deviant.reshall.umich.edu) wrote:
> : Is it possible to remap the Enter key to Ctrl-J & vice-versa while in
> : cc-mode and c++-mode?  That way xemacs would autoindent lines w/o
> : requiring you to hit tab..
> 
...
> Now, I have another question:  I'd like to remap the backspace key so that,
> if I am at the beginning of a line, it will delete all whitespace to the
> end of the previous line; but if I am not at the beginning of a line, it
> will only delete one character.  The delete key should keep the default
> behaviour (delete one character no matter what).
> 

Just try the following somewhere  in your .emacs:

;;
(setq c-mode-common-hook '(lambda() (c-toggle-auto-hungry-state 1)))
(setq java-mode-hook '(lambda() (c-toggle-auto-hungry-state 1)))
;;

This will work for C, C++, ObjC and Java mode and does the same (and
more) as the stuff the others mentioned:
1. inserting a newline after typing brace, comma, semi-colon ...
2. the delete key will delete all whitespaces in one action

Try it out - it works fine ;)

DanS.
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In <tziv80j5a7.fsf@baldy.kla.com>, David Masterson (davidm@prism.kla.com) wrote:
> >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
> >>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

> DM> Is there are a recommended place to use c-set-style?  I've been using it
> DM> in c-mode-common-hook to define my own style, but I just noticed that the
> DM> style is getting defined multiple times (probably once for every C file I
> DM> read).

> BAW> c-mode-common-hook is the best place to call c-set-style.  I don't
> BAW> understand what `getting defined multiple times' means.  c-set-style
> BAW> shouldn't be defining a style (just installing an already existing one)
> BAW> so I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

> My mistake -- I was appending my style definition directly to c-style-alist
> rather than using 'c-add-style (hmmm, is c-add-style new and that led me to
> use append because it wasn't available?) in c-mode-common-hook.  I switched to
> c-add-style which replaces the style if it exists and things seem to be
> better.

> Except, this means that every time I load a C file, my local style gets passed
> to c-add-style again which replaces it in c-style-alist even though nothing
> has changed (short of writing my own elisp function, is there a way that you
> could change a style on the fly?).  Therefore, c-add-style seems to be a good
> candidate for something you would do in a load hook (true?).

> -- 
> ==================================================================
> David Masterson          KLA Instruments
> 408-456-6836          P.O. Box 49055 M/S F1-9440
> davidm@prism.kla.com        San Jose, CA 95161-9055
> ==================================================================
>       I only speak for myself -- it keeps me out of trouble


You might want to try the eval-after-load function.  Here is the
documentation string for it:

eval-after-load: a compiled Lisp function.
(eval-after-load FILE FORM)

Arrange that, if FILE is ever loaded, FORM will be run at that time.
This makes or adds to an entry on `after-load-alist'.
If FILE is already loaded, evaluate FORM right now.
It does nothing if FORM is already on the list for FILE.
FILE should be the name of a library, with no directory name.



Alain Caron
Nortel Technology, Montral, Qubec, Canada
email: alainc@nortel.ca
phone: 514-765-7718

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From: Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Screen freeze
Reply-To: Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996 on bhl3h21

My XEmacs keeps going into a state where it ignores keyboard input
until iconised and de-iconised again!

Any idea what is wrong, or how I can find out what is going on?
Cheers
Mark



This is my current configuration.....

Using gcc 2.7.2.1

./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux --with-gcc --prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/common --exec-prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/HP9-7_A.09.05 --verbose --site-libraries=/vol/fsf.hp/HP9-7_A.09.05/lib --site-includes=/vol/fsf.hp/common/include --dynamic --cflags="-g3 -O3" --with-xface --with-xpm --with-xmu=yes

Edit src/Makefile to "-Wl,-a,default ......... /usr/lib/end.o" to
force the HP linker to not force static linking (which it normally
does if it sees -g).


-- 
Mark Phillips
msp@nortel.co.uk

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Hi,

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From: Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Dynamic linking on HP-UX
Reply-To: Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996 on bhl3h21


There is a bug in the configuration when trying to --dynamic link
under HP-UX 9.05 using gcc 2.7.2.1 and the hp native linker.

The problem is that the HP /bin/ld program automatically disables
dynamic linking if it sees a -g flag.

The fix is to arrange for the following to be prepended to the link
line:-
-Wl,-a,default

and this to be appended:-
/usr/lib/end.o

Keep up the good work
Mark


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From: Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: HPUX string and memory handling!
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996 on bhl3h21


HP-UX 9.05 appears to have very broken libc routines for the following
functions:-

strcpy
strcat
memcpy
memmove

I had been suffering from core dumps in them until I started linking
in src/strcmp.o and an extra file I wrote to replace them.

I believe the problem is the same as mentioned in the FAQ about HP-UX
10.x, but it effects more functions (ie. function reads off the end of
the source and onto an invalid page causing a seg fault).

I fixed the problem by linking strcmp.o and the file I have appended
to this email.

Maybe this fix should be bundled with XEmacs (and mentioned in the
PROBLEMS file) so other people with a buggy version of HP libc can use
them.

/* Replacement strcat stcpy and memcpy for HP-UX */
/* Mark Phillips 25/10/96 */

#include <string.h>

typedef unsigned char uint8;
typedef unsigned short int uint16;
typedef unsigned long int uint32;

inline char *strcat(char *to_str, const char * from_str);

#ifdef TEST

void main(void)
{
char buf1[100];
char buf2[100];

char *from;
char *to;



/* Test 1 - Copy an empty string to empty string */
from=(char *)(((uint32)buf1 + 3) & ~3L);
to=(char *)(((uint32)buf2 + 3) & ~3L);

/* from and to are long word aligned */

strcpy(from,"");
strcpy(to,"to");

strcat(to, from);

/* Test 2 - Copy an aligned to aligned */
from=(char *)(((uint32)buf1 + 3) & ~3L);
to=(char *)(((uint32)buf2 + 3) & ~3L);


strcpy(from,"from123456");
strcpy(to,"even");

strcat(to, from);

/* Test 3 - Copy a 2 byte aligned to aligned */
from=(char *)(((uint32)buf1 + 3) & ~3L)+2;
to=(char *)(((uint32)buf2 + 3) & ~3L);


strcpy(from,"from123456");
strcpy(to,"even");

strcat(to, from);

/* Test 3 - Copy a unaligned to aligned */
from=(char *)(((uint32)buf1 + 3) & ~3L)+1;
to=(char *)(((uint32)buf2 + 3) & ~3L);


strcpy(from,"from123456");
strcpy(to,"even");

strcat(to, from);







return;
}

#endif

inline void *memcpy(void *s1, const void *s2, size_t len)
{

union {
  const uint8 *pb;
  const uint16 *pw;
  const uint32 *pl;
  } from;
  
union ptr {
  uint8 *pb;
  uint16 *pw;
  uint32 *pl;
  } to;

from.pb=s2;
to.pb=s1;

if(len==0) return s1;

/* Can we even up the pointers to 2 byte aligned? */
if(((uint32)from.pb & 1) ^ ((uint32)to.pb & 1)){
  /* from is odd and to is even, or vis-versa, so have to a byte copy */
  while(len--) *to.pb++=*from.pb++;
  return s1;
  }

/* Even up the pointers so we can word copy. */
/* We already know BOTH from and to are either odd or even. */
if((uint32)from.pb & 1){
  /* Both address are odd so copy a byte. */
  *to.pb++=*from.pb++;
  len--;
  }

if(len==0) return s1;

/* Now both from and to are even */
if(len>=2){
  /*
    Word copy
    
    Either copy all remainder wordwise (except for possible trailer byte)
    OR copy ONE word so we can long word copy.
    */
  /* Can we even up the pointers to both 4 byte aligned? */
  if(((uint32)from.pb & 2) ^ ((uint32)to.pb & 2)){
    /* from is odd and to is word even, or vis-versa, so can not long
       word copy. The HP (unlike 68020) can NOT copy a long word from
       a 2 byte aligned address... */
    /* Word copy */
    int remainder=len & 1;
    len = len >> 1; /* Convert len to words */
    while(len){
      *to.pw++ = *from.pw++;
      len--;
      }
    len=remainder;
    }
  else {
    /* Even up the pointers so we can long word copy. */
    /* We already know BOTH from and to are either word odd or even. */
    if((uint32)from.pb & 2){
      /* Both address are word odd so copy a word */
      *to.pw++=*from.pw++;
      len -= 2;
      }
    }
  /* At this point either len is 0 or it is still in bytes. */
  }

/* Now we know that both from and to are long word aligned. */
if(len>=4){
  /* Now long word copy */
  /* Note : We never get here if we have already word block copied. */
  int remainder=len & 3;
  len = len >> 2; /* Convert len to long words */
  while(len){
    *to.pl++ = *from.pl++;
    len--;
    }
  len=remainder;
  }

while(len--) *to.pb++ = *from.pb++;
return s1;
}


inline char *strcat(char *to_str, const char * from_str)
{
strcpy(to_str+strlen(to_str),from_str);
return to_str;
}

inline char *strcpy(char *to_str, const char *from_str)
{
return memcpy(to_str, from_str, strlen(from_str)+1);
}

void *memmove(void *s1, const void *s2, size_t n)
{
if(s1==s2) return s1; /* Nothing to do */


if((s1 < s2) ||      /* dst lower than src, therefore copy is ok. */
   (s1 > s2+n)     /* dst higher than src BUT no overlap. */
   ){
  return memcpy(s1,s2,n);
  }

/* Destination higher than source so need to do a reverse copy */
s1 += n-1;
s2 += n-1;
while(n>0) {
  *(uint8 *)s1-- = *(uint8 *)s2--;
  n--;
  }
  
return s1;
}



/* End of file */


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From: Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: SIGIO
Reply-To: Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca

In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996 on bhl3h21


Has anyone been able to get SIGIO handling to work under HP-UX 9.05
using gcc 2.7.2?

If I build with or without BROKEN_SIGO (sp?) defined, I still find
that I can not interrupt "(while t)" using C-g (as is mentioned in the
FAQ).

When running with the default configuration (ie. no BROKEN_SIGIO) I
also suffered from lots of unexpected signal crashes.

Cheers
Mark

This is my current configuration.....

Using gcc 2.7.2.1

./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux --with-gcc --prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/common --exec-prefix=/vol/xemacs_19.14/HP9-7_A.09.05 --verbose --site-libraries=/vol/fsf.hp/HP9-7_A.09.05/lib --site-includes=/vol/fsf.hp/common/include --dynamic --cflags="-g3 -O3" --with-xface --with-xpm --with-xmu=yes

Edit src/Makefile to "-Wl,-a,default ......... /usr/lib/end.o" to
force the HP linker to not force static linking (which it normally
does if it sees -g).


-- 
Mark Phillips
msp@nortel.co.uk

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I'm running xemacs 19.14 on ultrix 4.3 pmax machine.

Here is problem. If in tty mode I press ctrl-[space] to mark a region
xemacs suspends itself. After typing 'fg' (to bring it back in
foreground) xemacs acts as if it was not suspended (it does not try to
put terminal back in raw mode). There is work around for that, and it
is to put terminal in raw mode manualy with 'stty -echo raw' before
typing 'fg' command. After that everything seems to work normal (even
ctrl-[space] works as it should) except that after quiting xemacs I
need to do 'stty -echo raw' to put terminal back in normal mode.

-- 
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                           e-mail: alex@srce.hr
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Aleksandar Milivojevic (alex@srce.hr) wrote:
> Here is problem. If in tty mode I press ctrl-[space] to mark a region
> xemacs suspends itself. After typing 'fg' (to bring it back in

The subject is a little-bit misleading, since set-mark-command is
never actually reached.

Note that it is *not* suspended normally, as if with C-z.  XEmacs just
stops -- you get shell prompt without even modeline and buffer
contents being erased.

As alex describes, pressing `fg' returns to Emacs, but in cooked
mode.  Re-exiting XEmacs leaves the tty in raw mode.

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I think I once reported this before...

In XEmacs 19.13 of Fri Sep 20 1996 on gsdws133 (berkeley-unix) [formerly Lucid Emacs]

*** Error in XEmacs initialization
(error "class list and name list must be the same length" "font-lock-keyword-face.attributeFont" "Face.AttributeFont")
*** Backtrace
  really-early-error-handler((error "class list and name list must be the same length" "font-lock-keyword-face.attributeFont" "Face.AttributeFont"))
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  # bind (args fun inhibit-point-motion-hooks entry)
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  # bind (marker)
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  # bind (fun data pos event)
  gnus-article-push-button(#<buttondown-event button2>)
  # bind (command-debug-status)
  call-interactively(gnus-article-push-button)
  # (unwind-protect ...)
  # (condition-case ... . error)
  # (catch top-level ...)
*** Killing XEmacs



PS When's the next 19.15 beta coming out?  Will it be any faster than
b2?

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Aleksandar Milivojevic (alex@srce.hr) wrote:
> typing 'fg' command. After that everything seems to work normal (even
> ctrl-[space] works as it should) except that after quiting xemacs I
> need to do 'stty -echo raw' to put terminal back in normal mode.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ups... This should be 'stty echo -raw'

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Ian MacKinnon wrote:
> 
> Is there anything that will convert a ctags file to a etags file ?
> 
> The reason I am asking is I have come accross an improved ctags that
> give hairier output. (http://fly.hiwaay.net/~darren/ctags.html)
> This give more detail and I want to use its output. Alternatively is
> there another version of etags?
> 

I don't have a converter, but I do have a file that gives ctag support
to emacs.  I will attach a copy.  It was written by someone that I work
with.  Maybe it will solve your problem.

To use, add your ctag file, eg

(ctag-file-add "./ctags")

Then use the tag searching commands, ctag and ctag-at-point.

/\/\ike

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;;
;; Craig McPheeters
;; cmcpheeters@alias.com
;;
;; ctag.el
;; 
;; Author: Craig McPheeters (cmcpheeters@alias.com) 1991/1992.
;;
;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs, but I am willing to donate it.
;;
;; ctag.el is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT
;; ANY WARRANTY.  No author or distributor accepts responsibility to anyone
;; for the consequences of using it or for whether it serves any particular
;; purpose or works at all, unless they say so in writing.  Refer to the GNU
;; Emacs General Public License for full details.
;;
;; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute ctag.el,
;; but only under the conditions described in the GNU Emacs General Public
;; License.  A copy of this license is supposed to have been given to you
;; along with GNU Emacs so you can know your rights and responsibilities.
;; It should be in a file named COPYING.  Among other things, the copyright
;; notice and this notice must be preserved on all copies.
;;
;;
;; The contents of this file were based originally upon tags.el, although
;; there have been extensive modifications made to it.  The tags file this
;; package file operates on are compatable with those for VI.
;;
;; Additions were made where they were considered useful given the local
;; environment.
;;
;; ----------------------------------------------------------------------

(provide 'ctag)

;;
;; Declare variables
;;

(defvar ctag-vi-compatability t 
  "*Were the tags generated to be compatable with VI?  VI has a limit of 30
characters for each tag.")

(defvar ctag-case-fold-search nil
  "*Should tag searches be case insensitive?")

(defvar ctag-file-names nil
   "List of tag files to search")

(defvar ctag-last-file nil
   "List of tag files remaining to search")

(defvar ctag-last-point nil
  "Point of the last successful search")

(defvar ctag-last nil
  "Last tag pattern searched for")

(defvar ctag-apropos-last nil
  "Last pattern searched for by a tag-apropos")

(defvar ctag-method-last nil
  "Last pattern searched for by a tag-methods")

(defvar ctag-class-last nil
  "Last pattern searched for by a tag-class")

(defvar ctag-ag-oneliner-last nil
  "Last pattern searched for by a ctag-ag-oneliner")

(defvar ctag-recurse nil
  "If non-nil, enter a recursive whenever a tag search completes successfully.")

(defvar ctag-next-form nil
  "Form to eval for the ctag-next-search command")

(defvar ctag-visit-file-name nil
  "File name to visit.  Set by the ctag-visit-file command.")

(defvar ctag-visited-files nil
  "List of files already visited by this instance of the ctag-visit-file cmd")

(defvar ctag-temp-project nil)
(defvar ctag-temp-subp nil)
(defvar ctag-temp-lib nil)
(defvar ctag-temp-file nil)

;;
;; Utility functions
;;

(defun ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (name) "\
Select the named tag buffer.  If the tag file has not been read in then read
the tag file.  If the file has been changed, then offer to re-read it. (CWM)"
  (let ((cur-dir default-directory) buf)
	(cond (name)
		  (ctag-file-names (setq name (car ctag-file-names)))
		  (t (call-interactively 'ctag-file-add) 
			 (setq name (car ctag-file-names))))
	(set-buffer 
	 (or (get-file-buffer name)
		 (progn
		   (message "Reading tags file %s..." name)
		   (setq buf (find-file-noselect name))
		   buf)))
	(setq case-fold-search ctag-case-fold-search)
	(or (verify-visited-file-modtime (get-file-buffer name))
		(cond ((yes-or-no-p 
				(concat "Tag file " name" has changed, read new contents? "))
			   (revert-buffer t t))))
	(setq default-directory cur-dir)
	(message "")))

(defun skip-white-space () "\
Skip forward in buffer over the white-space (CWM)"
  (while (looking-at "\\s-")
    (forward-char 1)))

(defun skip-to-white-space () "\
Skip forward in buffer to the first white-space (CWM)"
  (while (not (looking-at "\\s-"))
    (forward-char 1)))

(defun string-in-list (list str) "\
Given the LIST, return t if the STRING is in it. (CWM)"
  (let (success)
	(while list
	  (if (string-equal (car list) str)
		  (progn 
			(setq list nil)
			(setq success t))
		(setq list (cdr list))))
	success))

(defun ctag-get-tag () "\
Return the tag string of the current line.  Assumes the tag table is the 
current buffer. (CWM)"
  (beginning-of-line)
  (buffer-substring (point)
					(progn (skip-to-white-space) (point))))

(defun ctag-get-filename () "\
Return the file name of the tag on the line point is at.
Assumes the tag table is the current buffer. (CWM)"
  (beginning-of-line)
  (skip-to-white-space)
  (skip-white-space)
  (buffer-substring (point)
					(progn (skip-to-white-space) (point))))

(defun ctag-get-line () "\
Get the line pattern from the current tag line.  May be a number or a 
pattern (CWM)"
  (let (pat)
	(beginning-of-line)
	(skip-to-white-space)
	(skip-white-space)
	(skip-to-white-space)
	(skip-white-space)
	(setq pat (ctag-quote-ctag-pattern 
			   (buffer-substring (point) 
								 (progn (end-of-line) (point)))))
	(if (string-equal (substring pat 0 1) "?")
		(setq pat (substring (substring pat 1) 0 -1)))

	(if (string-equal (substring pat 0 1) "/")
		(setq pat (substring (substring pat 1) 0 -1)))

	(if (string-equal (substring pat (- (length pat) 2) (length pat)) " $")
		(progn
		  (setq pat (substring pat 0 (- (length pat) 1)))
		  (while
			  (string-equal (substring pat (- (length pat) 1) (length pat)) " ")
			(setq pat (substring pat 0 (- (length pat) 1))))))
	pat))

(defun ctag-clean-file-name (name)
  (let (char)
	(if name
		(progn
		  ;; Account for <#> in the buffer name
		  (if (string-equal ">" (substring name -1 nil))
			  (progn
				(setq char "")
				(while (not (string-equal char "<"))
				  (setq char (substring name -1 nil))
				  (setq name (substring name 0 -1)))))

		  ;; Account for -G following the buffer name
		  (if (string-equal "-G" (substring name -2 nil))
			  (setq name (substring name 0 -2))))))
  name)

(defun ctag-get-repo-file-name () "\
Find repo file associated with current buffer (CWM)"
  (let ((name (buffer-name))
		file-name)
	(if name
		(progn
		  (setq name (ctag-clean-file-name name))
		  (setq file-name (ctag-find-file-name name))))
	file-name))

(defun ctag-get-file-lock (file-name) "\
Return the name of the person who has the file locked. 
The name passed in is expanded by matching it in the tags file.  (CWM)"
  (let (file-name-lock buff person)
	   (setq file-name-lock (concat file-name "-L"))
	   (if file-name
		   (if (file-exists-p file-name-lock)
			   (progn
				 (setq buff (find-file-noselect file-name-lock))
				 (set-buffer buff)
				 (setq person (buffer-substring 1
												(save-excursion 
												  (skip-to-white-space) 
												  (point))))
				 (kill-buffer buff))
			 (setq person "")))
	   person))

(defun ctag-set-psl (name) "\
Set ctag-temp-project, ctag-temp-subp, ctag-temp-lib and 
ctag-temp-file given a full pathname (CWM)."
  (setq ctag-temp-project nil)
  (setq ctag-temp-subp nil)
  (setq ctag-temp-lib nil)
  (setq ctag-temp-file nil)
  (let (char)
	(if name
		(progn
		  ;; Set the file
		  (setq char "")
		  (while (not (string-equal char "/"))
			(setq ctag-temp-file (concat char ctag-temp-file))
			(setq char (substring name -1 nil))
			(setq name (substring name 0 -1)))

		  ;; Set the library
		  (setq char "")
		  (while (not (string-equal char "/"))
			(setq ctag-temp-lib (concat char ctag-temp-lib))
			(setq char (substring name -1 nil))
			(setq name (substring name 0 -1)))

		  ;; Set the sub-project
		  (setq char "")
		  (while (not (string-equal char "/"))
			(setq ctag-temp-subp (concat char ctag-temp-subp))
			(setq char (substring name -1 nil))
			(setq name (substring name 0 -1)))

		  ;; The rest is the project
		  (setq ctag-temp-project name)))

	ctag-temp-project))


(defun ctag-default-tag (cpp) "\
Return a default tag string based upon the text surrounding point in the 
current buffer (CWM)."
  (let ((valid-chars "\\sw\\|\\s_")
		start end)
	(if cpp
		(setq valid-chars (concat valid-chars "\\|:\\|~")))
	(save-excursion
	  (while (looking-at valid-chars) (forward-char))
	  (if (re-search-backward valid-chars nil t)
		  (progn 
			(forward-char 1)
			(setq end (point))
			(forward-char -1)
			(while (looking-at valid-chars) (forward-char -1))
			(forward-char 1)
			(setq start (point))
			(buffer-substring start end)
			)
		nil))))

(defun ctag-query-tag (prompt tag) "\
Read a tag to search for after querying the user. (CWM)"
  (let ((default tag))
	(setq tag (read-string
			   (if default
				   (format "%s(default %s) " prompt default)
				 prompt)))
	(if (string-equal tag "")
		default
	  tag)))

(defun ctag-query-file (prompt) "\
Read a file name to search for after querying the user. (CWM)"
  (let (default name)
	(save-excursion
	  (while (looking-at "\\sw\\|\\s_\\|/\\|\\.") (forward-char))
	  (setq default 
			(if (re-search-backward "\\sw\\|\\s_\\|/\\|\\." nil t)
				(progn 
				  (forward-char 1)
				  (buffer-substring 
				   (point)
				   (progn
					 (backward-char 1)
					 (while 
						 (and (> (point) 1)
							  (looking-at "\\sw\\|\\s_\\|/\\|\\."))
					   (backward-char 1))
					 (forward-char 1)
					 (point))))
			  nil)))
	(if (and (> (length default) 1) 
			 (string-equal (substring default 0 1) "<"))
		(setq default (substring default 1 nil)))
	(if (and (> (length default) 1) 
			 (string-equal (substring default -1 nil) ">"))
		(setq default (substring default 0 -1)))
	(if (and (> (length default) 2)
			 (string-equal (substring default -2 nil) ".o"))
		(setq default (concat (substring default 0 -2) ".c")))
	
	(setq name (read-string prompt default))
	(if (string-equal name "")
		default
	  name)))

;; This is needed because the line patterns in a ctag file do not quote all
;; Magic characters in GNU-emacs regular expressions.  It does some, so this
;; function must only do the needed ones.  The ctag regular expression was
;; made to work with VI.
;;
;; This function quotes:  * [ ] +

(defun ctag-quote-ctag-pattern (string) "\
Quote the characters required in the pattern describing the line. (CWM)"
  (let (char
		(new "")
		(rest string))
	(while (not (string-equal rest ""))
	  (progn
		(setq char (substring rest 0 1))
		(setq rest (substring rest 1))
		(if (or
			 (string-equal char "*")
			 (string-equal char "[")
			 (string-equal char "]")
			 (string-equal char "+"))
			(setq new (concat new (char-to-string ?\134) char))
		  (setq new (concat new char)))))
	new))

;; The tags file is damaged.  In order to support VI, the tags are at most
;; 30 characters long.  This means that if we specify a tag longer than this,
;; it won't be found in the tags file.  So we truncate the tag if we're in
;; VI compatibility mode.

(defun ctag-truncate-tag (tag) "\
If ctag-vi-compatibility, truncate tags to 30 characters. (CWM)"
  (if ctag-vi-compatability
	  (if (> (length tag) 30)
		  (substring tag 0 30)
		tag)
	tag))

(defun ctag-file-add (file) "\
Add a tag file to the start of the list of tag files to search."
  (interactive (list (read-file-name "Visit ctag table: (default tags) "
									 default-directory
									 (concat default-directory "tags")
									 t)))
  (setq file (expand-file-name file))
  (if (file-directory-p file)
      (setq file (concat file "tags")))
  (if (file-readable-p file)
	  (setq ctag-file-names (append (list file) ctag-file-names))
	(message "Can't read the tag file: %s" file)))


(defun ctag-file-remove () "\
Remove the last tag file to be added."
  (interactive)
  (if (listp ctag-file-names)
	  (setq ctag-file-names (cdr ctag-file-names)))
  (ctag-show-files))


(defun ctag-show-files () "\
Display the tag file names searched. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (message "%s" ctag-file-names))


;;
;;
;; Main tag functions
;;
;;

(defun ctag (tag) "\
Find TAG, starting at the beginning of the tag file list.  If tagname
is nil, the expression in the buffer at or around point is used as the 
tagname. (CWM)"
  (interactive (list (ctag-query-tag "Find tag: " (ctag-default-tag t))))
  (ctag-main tag))

(defun ctag-at-point () "\
Find the tag under point. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (ctag-main (ctag-default-tag t)))

(defun ctag-main (tag) "\
Search for the tag given. (CWM)"
  (if (not ctag-file-names)
	  (call-interactively 'ctag-file-add))
  (if (and tag ctag-file-names)
	  (progn
		(setq tag (ctag-truncate-tag tag))
		(setq ctag-last-file ctag-file-names)
		(setq ctag-last-point 1)
		(setq ctag-last tag)
		(setq ctag-next-form '(ctag-find-next-tag 1))
		(setq ctag-recurse t)
		(ctag-find-next-tag 1))
	(message "Empty tagname or tagfile list")))

(defun ctag-find-next-tag (n) "\
Find the N'th next occurence of a tag found by ctag.  
Handle recursion if needed. (CWM)"
  (interactive "p")
  (let 
	  ((window-config (ctag-window-list))
	   (found-one nil))
	(if ctag-recurse
		(progn
		  (save-window-excursion
			(setq found-one (ctag-find-next n))
			(if found-one
				(recursive-edit)))
		  (if found-one
			  (ctag-window-restore window-config)))
	  (setq found-one (ctag-find-next n)))
	(if (not found-one)
		(message "Not found, tagname: %s" ctag-last))))

(defun ctag-find-next (n) "\
Find the N'th next occurence of a tag found by ctag.
Return nil if not found, otherwise do the search. (CWM)"
  (interactive "p");; The arg is an integer.
  (if (and
	   ctag-last-file
	   (> n 0))
	  (progn
		(ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (car ctag-last-file))
		(goto-char ctag-last-point)
		(if (re-search-forward (concat "^" ctag-last) nil t)
			(progn
			  (setq ctag-last-point (point))
			  (setq n (1- n))
			  (if (= n 0)
				  (ctag-do-search)
				(ctag-find-next n)))
		  (progn
			(setq ctag-last-file (cdr ctag-last-file))
			(setq ctag-last-point 1)
			(ctag-find-next n))))))


;;
;; Support routines to ctag
;;

(defun ctag-do-search () "\
Assume point is on a tag line.  Extract the file and line and then go there.
If the search is successful, enter a recursive edit if ctag-recurse is non-nil
 (CWM)"
  (let ((filename (ctag-get-filename))
		(cur-dir default-directory)
		(linepat (ctag-get-line))
		(case case-fold-search)
		found-point linenum found-it)
	(setq linenum (string-to-int linepat))
	(find-file-other-window (substitute-in-file-name filename))
	(widen)
	(goto-char (point-min))
	(setq default-directory cur-dir);; Restore default
	(if (= linenum 0)
		(progn
		  (setq case-fold-search nil)
		  (setq found-it (re-search-forward linepat nil t))
		  (setq case-fold-search case))
	  (progn
		(goto-line linenum)
		(setq found-it t)))
	(setq found-point (point))
	(if found-it
		(beginning-of-line))
	found-it))

(defun ctag-next-search () "\
Do another tag search, just like the last one (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (if ctag-next-form
	  (progn
		(if current-prefix-arg
			(setq ctag-recurse t)
		  (setq ctag-recurse nil))
		(eval ctag-next-form))
	(message "No next to search for.")))

(defun ctag-apropos (string) "\
Display list of all tags in tag tables that REGEXP match.
By default it only prints out the tag itself, given an argument it will
display the whole tag entry.  The whole entry includes the filename and line
number or pattern used in the tag search. (CWM)"
  (interactive (list
				(let ((pattern (read-from-minibuffer 
								(concat (if current-prefix-arg
											"Full listing tag "
										  "Tag ")
										"apropos (regexp): ")
								ctag-apropos-last)))
				  (setq ctag-apropos-last pattern))))
  (let ((file-list ctag-file-names)
		(match 0)
		end)
	(save-window-excursion
	  (with-output-to-temp-buffer "*Tags List*"
		(princ "Tags matching regexp ")
		(prin1 string)
		(terpri)
		(while file-list
		  (princ (format "------  In file: %s\n" (car file-list)))
		  (ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (car file-list))
		  (goto-char 1)
		  (while (re-search-forward string nil t)
			(save-excursion
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (skip-to-white-space)
			  (setq end (point))
			  (beginning-of-line)
			  (if (re-search-forward string end t)
				  (progn
					(setq match (1+ match))
					(beginning-of-line)
					(princ (buffer-substring 
							(point)
							(progn
							  (if current-prefix-arg
								  (progn
									(end-of-line)
									(point))
								end))))
					(terpri))))
			(forward-line 1))
		  (setq file-list (cdr file-list))))

	  ;; Decide whether or not to display the tag buffer.  Don't if there were 
	  ;; no matches found, otherwise do.
	  (if (> match 0)
		  (progn
			(display-buffer "*Tags List*")
			(message "Found %d matching tag%s" match (if (> match 1) "s" ""))
			(recursive-edit))
		(message "No tags match that pattern: %s" string)))))

(defun ctag-method-apropos (string) "\
Display a list of all C++ methods in tag tables that contain the PATTERN. (CWM)"
  (interactive 
   (list
	(let ((pattern (read-from-minibuffer "Method contains pattern: "
										 (ctag-default-tag nil))))
				  (setq ctag-method-last pattern))))
  (let ((last-ctag-apropos ctag-apropos-last))
	(ctag-apropos (concat "::.*" string))
	(setq ctag-apropos-last last-ctag-apropos)))

(defun ctag-method-list (name) "\
Display a list of all C++ methods in tag tables that belong to CLASS. (CWM)"
  (interactive 
   (list
	(let ((pattern (read-from-minibuffer "Class name : "
										 (ctag-default-tag nil))))
				  (setq ctag-class-last pattern))))
  (let ((last-ctag-apropos ctag-apropos-last))
	(ctag-apropos (concat name "::"))
	(setq ctag-apropos-last last-ctag-apropos)))

(defun ctag-visit-file (name) "\
Visit the files in the tag file which match NAME.  The next occurence of a 
file matching name can be found with the ctag-next-search command. (CWM)"
  (interactive (list (ctag-query-file "Visit tag file: ")))
  (setq ctag-last-file ctag-file-names)
  (setq ctag-last-point 1)
  (setq ctag-visit-file-name name)
  (setq ctag-visited-files nil)
  (setq ctag-next-form '(ctag-visit-next-file 1))
  (setq ctag-recurse t)
  (ctag-visit-next-file 1))

(defun ctag-visit-next-file (n) "\
Find the N'th next occurence of a tag file matching the previously set name.
Use ctag-visit-file to set the tag file name to match. (CWM)"
  (interactive "p")
  (let (start end file (cur-dir default-directory) found)
	(while (and 
			(not found) 
			ctag-last-file 
			(> n 0))
	  (ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (car ctag-last-file))
	  (goto-char ctag-last-point)
	  ;; Search for a match
	  (if (re-search-forward ctag-visit-file-name nil t)
		  (save-excursion
			(end-of-line)
			(setq ctag-last-point (point))
			(beginning-of-line)
			(skip-to-white-space)
			(save-excursion
			  (skip-white-space)
			  (skip-to-white-space)
			  (setq end (point)))
			;; Restrict this search to just the filename portion of tag
			(if (re-search-forward ctag-visit-file-name end t)
				(progn
				  ;; Got a file match
				  (setq file (ctag-get-filename))
				  (if (not (string-in-list ctag-visited-files file))
					  (progn
						;; First time we've visited this file
						(setq found t)
						(setq ctag-visited-files 
							  (append ctag-visited-files
									  (list file)))
						;; We may recurse here...
						(ctag-visit-file-doit file))))))
		(progn
		  ;; No match in this file, try the next file in list
		  (setq ctag-last-file (cdr ctag-last-file))
		  (setq ctag-last-point 1))))
	(if (not found)
		(message "File not found: %s" ctag-visit-file-name))))

(defun ctag-visit-file-doit (name) "\
Visit the file found in a ctag-visit-next-file call. (CWM)"
  (let ((cur-dir default-directory))
	(if ctag-recurse
		(save-window-excursion
		  (find-file-other-window (substitute-in-file-name name))
		  (setq default-directory cur-dir)
		  (message "Visiting file: %s" name)
		  (recursive-edit))
	  (progn
		(find-file-other-window (substitute-in-file-name name))
		(setq default-directory cur-dir)
		(message "Visiting file: %s" name)))))

(defun ctag-window-list () "\
Returns a list of Lisp window objects and the point at the top of the window
for all Emacs windows. (CWM)"
  (let* ((first-window (selected-window))
		 (top-char (save-excursion
					 (move-to-window-line 0)
					 (point)))
		 (windows (cons 
				   (cons first-window 
						 (cons top-char 
							   (cons (point) nil))) nil))
		 (current-cons windows)
		 (w (next-window first-window nil)))
    (while (not (eq w first-window))
	  (select-window w)
      (setq current-cons 
			(setcdr current-cons
					(cons 
					 (cons w
						   (cons (save-excursion
								   (move-to-window-line 0)
								   (point))
								 (cons (point) nil))) nil)))
      (setq w (next-window w nil)))
	(select-window first-window)
    windows))

(defun ctag-window-restore (windows) "\
Restore the positioning of the windows from the window LIST
Used in conjunction with ctag-window-list (CWM)"
  (let* ((this (car windows))
		 (rest (cdr windows))
		 (top-char nil)
		 (window-from-list nil)
		 (first-window (selected-window))
		 the-point)
	(while this
	  (setq window-from-list (car this))
	  (setq top-char (car (cdr this)))
	  (setq the-point (car (cdr (cdr this))))
	  (select-window window-from-list)
	  (set-window-start nil top-char)
	  (goto-char the-point)
	  (setq this (car rest))
	  (setq rest (cdr rest)))
	(select-window first-window)))

;;
;; Extended software repository commands.
;;
;;   softwhere - shows you where a variable/function/file is defined/used.
;;   info      - shows you if a file is locked and by whom.
;;   diff      - find differences between current buffer and repo file.
;;   lget      - check out a file from the repo.
;;   lcncl     - cancel a lock on a repo file.
;;   lput      - put a file back into the repo.
;;

(defun ctag-softwhere (name) "\
Call the alias 'softwhere' program with the name.  (CWM)"
  (interactive (list (read-string "Softwhere on which string: "
									(ctag-default-tag nil))))
  (let (curbuf newbuf)
	(save-window-excursion
	  (setq curbuf (current-buffer))
	  (setq newbuf (get-buffer-create "*Softwhere*"))
	  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
	  (erase-buffer)
	  (call-process "softwhere" nil t t name)
	  (pop-to-buffer curbuf)
	  (recursive-edit))))

(defun ctag-find-file-name (file-name) "\
Find the full pathname of the filename given by finding a match in the tags
file. (CWM)"
  (let ((tag-file ctag-file-names)
		(found-name nil))
	(setq file-name (concat "/" file-name))
	(while (and tag-file (not found-name))
	  (ctag-visit-tag-file-buffer (car tag-file))
	  (goto-char 0)
	  (setq tag-file (cdr tag-file))
	  (if (search-forward file-name nil t)
		  (setq found-name (ctag-get-filename))))
	found-name))

;;
;; Get some information on the repo-file
;;
(defun ctag-file-info () "\
Display information on the file associated with the current buffer. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (let ((file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
		person)
	(setq person (ctag-get-file-lock file-name))
	(if person
		(if (string-equal person "")
			(message "File is not locked.   (%s)" file-name)
		  (message "File is locked by %s   (%s)" person file-name))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with current buffer"))))

;;
;; Check the file out of the repo.
;;
(defun ctag-lget (arg) "\
Check the file associated with the current buffer out of the repo. 
If a file is obtained, then visit the file.  
If there is an argument to this function, then ask for which version
to obtain.  If you specify a version, then a lock is not obtained. (CWM)"
  (interactive "p")
  (let (repo-file-name old-buff command yes repo-buff got-file to-point
					   proj subp lib file a-window new-buff version)
	(setq old-buff (current-buffer))
	(setq repo-file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if (> arg 1)
		(progn
		  (setq version (read-string "Which version do you want: " nil))
		  (if (string-equal "" version)
			  (setq version nil))))
	(if repo-file-name
		(progn
		  (ctag-set-psl repo-file-name)

		  (setq proj ctag-temp-project)
		  (setq subp ctag-temp-subp)
		  (setq lib ctag-temp-lib)
		  (setq file ctag-temp-file)

		  (setq command (concat "lget"
								" -p" proj 
								" -s" subp 
								" -l" lib 
								(if version 
									(concat " -c -r " version)
								  "")
								" " file 
								" "))
		  
		  (if (yes-or-no-p command)
			  (save-window-excursion
				(setq repo-buff (get-buffer-create "*Repo buffer*"))
				(pop-to-buffer repo-buff)
				(erase-buffer)
				(insert "Getting a repo file:\n\n" command "\n\n")
				(if version
					(call-process "lget" nil repo-buff t
								  (concat "-p" proj)
								  (concat "-s" subp)
								  (concat "-l" lib)
								  "-c"
								  "-r"
								  version
								  file)
				  (call-process "lget" nil repo-buff t
								(concat "-p" proj)
								(concat "-s" subp)
								(concat "-l" lib)
								file))
				(insert "\nDone.\n")
				(goto-char 0)
				(if (search-forward "-- " nil t)
					(progn
					  (setq got-file (buffer-substring (point) 
													   (progn (end-of-line)
															  (point))))
					  (set-buffer old-buff)
					  (setq to-point (point))
					  (find-file-other-window (substitute-in-file-name got-file))
					  (goto-char to-point)
					  (c-mode)
					  (recursive-edit))
				  (message "Lget failed: the file is already locked by %s"
						   (ctag-get-file-lock repo-file-name))))
			(message "Lget aborted."))

		 (if got-file
			 (progn
			   (setq new-buff (get-file-buffer got-file))
			   (setq a-window (get-buffer-window old-buff))
			   (if a-window
				   (set-window-buffer a-window new-buff)))))

	  (message "There is no repo file associated with the current buffer."))))

;;
;; Put a file back into the repo.
;;
(defun ctag-lput () "\
Put a file back into the repo.  The file used is the one associated with the
current buffer.  (CWM)."
  (interactive)
  (let (repo-file-name proj subp lib file command yes repo-buff old-buff)
	(setq old-buff (current-buffer))
	(if (buffer-modified-p)
		(save-some-buffers))
	(setq repo-file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if repo-file-name
		(progn
		  (ctag-set-psl repo-file-name)

		  (setq proj ctag-temp-project)
		  (setq subp ctag-temp-subp)
		  (setq lib ctag-temp-lib)
		  (setq file ctag-temp-file)

		  (setq command (concat "lput -p" proj " -s" subp 
								" -l" lib " " file " "))

		  (save-window-excursion		  
			(find-file-other-window ".repo_message")
			(insert "Compose log message.  ^x^c to continue\n\n")
			(recursive-edit)
			(set-buffer (get-file-buffer ".repo_message"))
			(goto-char 0)
			(while (not (looking-at "\n")) (delete-char 1))
			(delete-char 1)
			(write-file ".repo_message")
			(if (yes-or-no-p command)
				(progn
				  (setq repo-buff (get-buffer-create "*Repo buffer*"))
				  (switch-to-buffer repo-buff)
				  (erase-buffer)
				  (insert "Putting a file into the repo:\n\n"
						  "lput -p" proj " -s" subp " -l" lib " " file "\n\n")
				  (insert-file ".repo_message")
				  (goto-char (point-max))
				  (message "Lput in progress...")
				  (call-process "lput" ".repo_message" repo-buff t
								(concat "-p" proj)
								(concat "-s" subp)
								(concat "-l" lib)
								file)
				  (message "")
				  (insert "\nDone.\n")
				  (goto-char (point-max))
				  (recursive-edit))
			  (message "Lput aborted."))))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with the current buffer."))))

;;
;; Cancel a repo lock.
;;
(defun ctag-lcncl () "\
Cancel the lock on the file associated with the current buffer from
the repo. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (let (repo-file-name proj subp lib file command yes repo-buff)
	(setq repo-file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if repo-file-name
		(progn
		  (ctag-set-psl repo-file-name)

		  (setq proj ctag-temp-project)
		  (setq subp ctag-temp-subp)
		  (setq lib ctag-temp-lib)
		  (setq file ctag-temp-file)

		  (setq command (concat "lcncl -k -p" proj " -s" subp 
								" -l" lib " " file " "))
		  
		  (if (yes-or-no-p command)
			  (save-window-excursion
				(setq repo-buff (get-buffer-create "*Repo buffer*"))
				(pop-to-buffer repo-buff)
				(erase-buffer)
				(insert "Canceling a lock:\n\n"
						"lcncl -k -p" proj " -s" subp " -l" lib " " file "\n\n")
				(call-process "lcncl" nil repo-buff t
							  "-k"
							  (concat "-p" proj)
							  (concat "-s" subp)
							  (concat "-l" lib)
							  file)
				(insert "\nDone.\n")
				(goto-char 0)
				(recursive-edit))
			(message "Lcncl aborted.")))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with the current buffer."))))

;;
;; Find differences between current buffer, and repo-file.
;;
(defun ctag-file-diff () "\
Display differences between current buffer and its repo file.
next-error can be used to move between the differences. (CWM)"
  (interactive)
  (require 'compile)
  (let (orig-file-name file-name curbuf newbuf)
	(setq orig-file-name (buffer-file-name))
	(if orig-file-name
		(setq orig-file-name (file-name-nondirectory orig-file-name))
	  (setq orig-file-name "<No file name>"))
	(setq curbuf (current-buffer))
	(setq file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if (and file-name
			 (file-exists-p file-name))
		(save-window-excursion
		  (setq newbuf (get-buffer-create "*compilation*"))
		  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
		  (compilation-mode)
		  (toggle-read-only -1)
		  (erase-buffer)
		  (insert "Diff with " file-name "\n\n")
		  (pop-to-buffer curbuf)
		  (message "Diff in progress...")
		  (call-process-region (point-min)
							   (point-max)
							   "diff" nil newbuf t "-b" "-w" "-" file-name)
		  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (replace-regexp "^>" "old>")
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (replace-regexp "^<" "new<")
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (replace-regexp "^\\([0-9]+\\)" (concat "\nDiff error: "
												  orig-file-name
												  ", line \\1:  "))
		  (toggle-read-only 1)
		  (message "")
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (setq compilation-error-list t)
		  (recursive-edit))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with current buffer"))))

;;
;; Get the RCS log from the repo.
;;
(defun ctag-rlog () "\
Get the RCS log from the repo file associated with buffer."
  (interactive)
  (let (file-name newbuf)
	(setq file-name (ctag-get-repo-file-name))
	(if file-name
		(save-window-excursion
		  (setq newbuf (get-buffer-create "*Repo*"))
		  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
		  (erase-buffer)
		  (insert "Rlog for: " file-name "\n\n")
		  (message (concat "Executing: rlog " file-name))
		  (call-process-region (point-min)
							   (point-max)
							   "rlog" nil newbuf t file-name)
		  (message "")
		  (goto-char 0)
		  (recursive-edit))
	  (message "There is no repo file associated with current buffer"))))

;;
;; Grep the AG one-liners file for a pattern.
;;
(defun ctag-ag-oneliner (string) "\
Find all occurences of the STRING in the AG one-liners file (CWM)"
  (interactive (list
				(let ((pattern (read-from-minibuffer 
								"AG oneliner search for: "
								ctag-ag-oneliner-last)))
				  (setq ctag-ag-oneliner-last pattern))))
  (let ((location) newbuf)
	(save-window-excursion
	  (setq newbuf (get-buffer-create "*AG oneliners*"))
	  (setq location (concat (getenv "PROJECT") "/AGv2.5/man/oneliner"))
	  (pop-to-buffer newbuf)
	  (erase-buffer)
	  (insert "Oneliner file: " location "\n\n")
	  (insert "AG oneliner search for: " ctag-ag-oneliner-last "\n\n")
	  (message (concat "Searching for: " ctag-ag-oneliner-last))
	  (call-process-region (point-min)
						   (point-max)
						   "/bin/sh" nil newbuf t
						   "-c" (concat "grep" " -i"
										" " ctag-ag-oneliner-last
										" " location))
	  (message "")
	  (goto-char 0)
	  (recursive-edit))))

;; Make a keymap for the tag stuff

(setq ctag-map (make-sparse-keymap))
(define-key	ctag-map 	"." 	'ctag)
(define-key	ctag-map 	"?" 	'ctag-apropos)
(define-key	ctag-map 	":" 	'ctag-method-apropos)
(define-key ctag-map    "+"     'ctag-file-add)
(define-key ctag-map    "-"     'ctag-file-remove)
(define-key ctag-map    "="     'ctag-show-files)
(define-key ctag-map    "a"     'ctag-ag-oneliner)
(define-key ctag-map    "c"     'ctag-lcncl)
(define-key ctag-map    "d"     'ctag-file-diff)
(define-key ctag-map    "g"     'ctag-lget)
(define-key ctag-map    "i"     'ctag-file-info)
(define-key ctag-map    "l"     'ctag-rlog)
(define-key ctag-map    "m"     'ctag-method-list)
(define-key ctag-map    "p"     'ctag-lput)
(define-key ctag-map    "v"     'ctag-visit-file)
(define-key ctag-map 	"w"		'ctag-softwhere)
(define-key ctag-map    "A"     'ctag-ag-oneliner)
(define-key ctag-map    "\^a"   'ctag-ag-oneliner)
(define-key ctag-map    "\^n"   'ctag-next-search)
(define-key ctag-map    "\^v"   'ctag-visit-file)
(define-key	ctag-map 	"\^w" 	'ctag-softwhere)

;; Do this to put the map where you want it:
;;(define-key global-map 	"\^t" ctag-map)

--------------61027A79398--


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From: goetze@get.uni-paderborn.de (Nicki Goetze)
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Hi,

does anyone know if, with VM, there's an accelerator key or a function to decode uuencoded-mail-attachments.

Any help is really appreciated (pleaz post + e-mail me)!

--Nick


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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Phillips <Mark.Phillips.3200938@bnr.ca> writes:

    Mark> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Fri Oct 25 1996
    Mark> on bhl3h21 Has anyone been able to get SIGIO handling to
    Mark> work under HP-UX 9.05 using gcc 2.7.2?

    Mark> If I build with or without BROKEN_SIGO (sp?) defined, I
    Mark> still find that I can not interrupt "(while t)" using C-g
    Mark> (as is mentioned in the FAQ).

    Mark> When running with the default configuration (ie. no
    Mark> BROKEN_SIGIO) I also suffered from lots of unexpected signal
    Mark> crashes.

Would it be possible for you to try compiling with HP ansi C compiler?
The hpux9 binary kit has been built this way, and works fine (I did
the build).

The hpux9 kit also incorporate fixes for broken strcat(), and a fix to
make it run correctly on hpux 10.10.

Richard.

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>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

    DM> Except, this means that every time I load a C file, my local
    DM> style gets passed to c-add-style again which replaces it in
    DM> c-style-alist even though nothing has changed (short of
    DM> writing my own elisp function, is there a way that you could
    DM> change a style on the fly?).  Therefore, c-add-style seems to
    DM> be a good candidate for something you would do in a load hook
    DM> (true?).

You only want to do c-add-style once.  In your mode hook use
c-set-style to just install the style in the current buffer.  It's
pretty easy to use a flag (or an assoc test of c-style-alist) to know
whether you've done the c-add-style or not.

Something like (untested):

    (if (assoc my-style-name c-style-alist)
	(c-set-style my-style-name)
      (c-add-style my-style-name my-style-description 'set))

ought to do it.

-Barry

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Xemacs dudes:

My first time checking out OO Browser (which looks outstanding).

Minor problem - when using in Java mode, I created OOBR, but
had to disable scanning of src/java/io/PipedInputStream.java,
which was causing a coredump. I've just downloaded Sun's Java
workshop. The full text of PipedInputStream.java comes next,
followed by gdb where.

-------------------cut here-------------------

/*
 * @(#)PipedInputStream.java    1.12 96/04/02 James Gosling
 * 
 * Copyright (c) 1994 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 * 
 * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its
 * documentation for NON-COMMERCIAL purposes and without fee is hereby
 * granted provided that this copyright notice appears in all copies.
Please
 * refer to the file "copyright.html" for further important copyright
and
 * licensing information.
 * 
 * SUN MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES ABOUT THE SUITABILITY OF
THE
 * SOFTWARE, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE
 * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
PURPOSE,
 * OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. SUN SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES SUFFERED
BY
 * LICENSEE AS A RESULT OF USING, MODIFYING OR DISTRIBUTING THIS
SOFTWARE OR
 * ITS DERIVATIVES.
 */

package java.io;

import java.io.*;
import java.io.IOException;

/**
 * PipedInputStream must be connected to a PipedOutputStream
 * to be useful.  A thread reading from a PipedInputStream recieves data
from
 * a thread writing to the PipedOutputStream it is connected to.
 *
 * @see PipedOutputStream
 * @version     96/04/02
 * @author      James Gosling
 */
public
class PipedInputStream extends InputStream {
    boolean closed = true;      

        /* REMIND: identification of the read and write sides needs to
be
           more sophisticated.  Either using thread groups (but what
about
           pipes within a thread?) or using finalization (but it may be
a
           long time until the next GC). */
    Thread readSide;
    Thread writeSide;

    /* The circular buffer into which incoming data is placed */
    private byte buffer[] = new byte[1024];

    /*
     * fill and empty pointers.  in<0 implies the buffer is empty,
in==out
     * implies the buffer is full
     */
    int in = -1;
    int out = 0;

    /**
     * Creates an input file from the specified PiledOutputStream.
     * @param src the stream to connect to.
     */
    public PipedInputStream (PipedOutputStream src) throws IOException {
        connect(src);
    }

    /**
     * Creates an input file that isn't connected to anything (yet).
     * It must be connected to a PipedOutputStream before being used.
     */
    public PipedInputStream () {
    }

    /**
     * Connects this input stream to a sender.
     * @param src       The OutputStream to connect to.
     */
    public void connect(PipedOutputStream src) throws IOException {
        src.connect(this);
    }
    
    /**
     * Receives a byte of data.  This method will block if no input is
     * available.
     * @param b the byte being received
     * @exception IOException If the pipe is broken.
     */
    synchronized void receive(int b) throws IOException {
        writeSide = Thread.currentThread();
        while (in == out) {
            if ((readSide != null) && !readSide.isAlive()) {
                throw new IOException("Pipe broken");
            }
            /* full: kick any waiting readers */
            notifyAll();        
            try {
                wait(1000);
            } catch (InterruptedException ex) {
                throw new java.io.InterruptedIOException();
            }
        }
        if (in < 0) {
            in = 0;
            out = 0;
        }
        buffer[in++] = (byte)(b & 0xFF);
        if (in >= buffer.length) {
            in = 0;
        }
    }

    /**
     * Receives data into an array of bytes.  This method will
     * block until some input is available. 
     * @param b the buffer into which the data is received
     * @param off the start offset of the data
     * @param len the maximum number of bytes received
     * @return the actual number of bytes received, -1 is
     *          returned when the end of the stream is reached. 
     * @exception IOException If an I/O error has occurred. 
     */
    synchronized void receive(byte b[], int off, int len)  throws
IOException {
        while (--len >= 0) {
            receive(b[off++]);
        }
    }

    /**
     * Notifies all waiting threads that the last byte of data has been
     * received.
     */
    synchronized void receivedLast() {
        closed = true;
        notifyAll();
    }

    /**
     * Reads a byte of data. This method will block if no input is
available.
     * @return  the byte read, or -1 if the end of the stream is
reached.
     * @exception IOException If the pipe is broken.
     */
    public synchronized int read()  throws IOException {
        int trials = 2;
        while (in < 0) {
            readSide = Thread.currentThread();
            if ((writeSide != null) && (!writeSide.isAlive()) &&
(--trials < 0)) {
                throw new IOException("Pipe broken");
            }
            if (closed) {
                return -1;
            }

            /* might be a writer waiting */
            notifyAll();
            try {
                wait(1000);
            } catch (InterruptedException ex) {
                throw new java.io.InterruptedIOException();
            }
        }
        int ret = buffer[out++] & 0xFF;
        if (out >= buffer.length) {
            out = 0;
        }
        if (in == out) {
            /* now empty */
            in = -1;            
        }
        return ret;
    }

    /**
     * Reads into an array of bytes.
     * Blocks until some input is available.
     * @param b the buffer into which the data is read
     * @param off the start offset of the data
     * @param len the maximum number of bytes read
     * @return  the actual number of bytes read, -1 is
     *          returned when the end of the stream is reached.
     * @exception IOException If an I/O error has occurred.
     */
    public synchronized int read(byte b[], int off, int len)  throws
IOException {
        if (len <= 0) {
            return 0;
        }

        /* possibly wait on the first character */
        int c = read();         
        if (c < 0) {
            return -1;
        }
        b[off] = (byte) c;
        int rlen = 1;
        while ((in >= 0) && (--len > 0)) {
            b[off + rlen] = buffer[out++];
            rlen++;
            if (out >= buffer.length) {
                out = 0;
            }
            if (in == out) {
                /* now empty */
                in = -1;        
            }
        }
        return rlen;
    }

  /*
   * should be overridden from parentclass (used to always return 0)
   * should this also be synchronized?? -DAB
   */
  public synchronized int available() throws IOException {
    if(in < 0)
      return 0;
    else if(in == out)
      return buffer.length;
    else if (in > out)
      return in - out;
    else
      return in + buffer.length - out;
  }
    

    /**
     * Closes the input stream. Must be called
     * to release any resources associated with
     * the stream.
     * @exception IOException If an I/O error has occurred.
     */
    public void close()  throws IOException {
        in = -1;
        closed = true;
    }

}

-------------------cut here-------------------

Running "OOBR build" on the class above reproduces the problem
(os==Sparc Solaris 2.5)

> gdb `which xemacs` core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for
details.
GDB 4.15.1 (sparc-sun-solaris2.5), 
Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols
found)...

warning: core file may not match specified executable file.
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
"/usr/platform/SUNW,Ultra-1/lib/libc_psr.so.1": not in executable
format: File format not recognized.
#0  0xef3f3e30 in _edata ()
(gdb) where
#0  0xef3f3e30 in _edata ()
#1  0x66544 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  0xef3b7d4c in _edata ()
#3  0xebbd0 in re_match_2 ()
#4  0xeaaa4 in re_match_2 ()
#5  0xe948c in re_search_2 ()
#6  0xef34c in Fskip_syntax_backward ()
#7  0xeeb5c in Fskip_syntax_backward ()
#8  0xf01e4 in Fre_search_forward ()
#9  0x6dd90 in Fapply ()
#10 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#11 0x6d1f4 in funcall_recording_as ()
#12 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#13 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#14 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#15 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#16 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#17 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#18 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#19 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#20 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#21 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#22 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#23 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#24 0x6ec1c in call1 ()
#25 0xa21b8 in Fnconc ()
#26 0xa2324 in Fmapcar ()
#27 0x6dd3c in Fapply ()
#28 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#29 0x6d208 in funcall_recording_as ()
#30 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#31 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#32 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#33 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#34 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#35 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#36 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#37 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#38 0x6ec1c in call1 ()
#39 0xa21b8 in Fnconc ()
#40 0xa2324 in Fmapcar ()
#41 0x6dd3c in Fapply ()
#42 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#43 0x6d208 in funcall_recording_as ()
#44 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#45 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#46 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#47 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#48 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#49 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#50 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#51 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#52 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#53 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#54 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#55 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#56 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#57 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#58 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#59 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#60 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#61 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#62 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#63 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#64 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#65 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#66 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#67 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#68 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#69 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#70 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#71 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#72 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#73 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#74 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#75 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#76 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#77 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#78 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#79 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#80 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#81 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#82 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#83 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#84 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#85 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#86 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#87 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#88 0x6db10 in Fapply ()
#89 0x6eb64 in apply1 ()
#90 0x4dfdc in Fcall_interactively ()
#91 0x6dd54 in Fapply ()
#92 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#93 0x6d1f4 in funcall_recording_as ()
#94 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#95 0x4c68c in Fbyte_code ()
#96 0x6e5a8 in Fapply ()
#97 0x6d394 in funcall_recording_as ()
#98 0x6d414 in Ffuncall ()
#99 0x4f490 in Fcall_interactively ()
#100 0x6dd54 in Fapply ()
#101 0x6df44 in Fapply ()
#102 0x6d1f4 in funcall_recording_as ()
#103 0x6ec1c in call1 ()
#104 0x7aa54 in extract_vector_nth_mouse_event ()
#105 0x7b4a0 in Fdispatch_event ()
#106 0x522dc in Fcommand_loop_1 ()
#107 0x52108 in Frecursive_edit ()
#108 0x69c94 in condition_case_1 ()
#109 0x52548 in vars_of_cmdloop ()
#110 0x69a40 in internal_catch ()
#111 0x51d38 in initial_command_loop ()
#112 0x673ac in Finvocation_name ()
#113 0x67758 in main ()
(gdb) 


                        - Rick

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Date: 25 Oct 1996 12:30:13 -0400
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We've been haveing the same problem.  The menus continue to work and
select "Buffers --> List All Buffers" also unwedges XEmacs (as well as
iconify/uniconify).  This happens with both 19.14 and 19.15 beta 2.

--pete

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From: "Kevin M. DeLuca" <kmd@inri.com>
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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: XEmacs 19.13 problem
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I'm running the following xemacs...

lonestar>what /usr/local/bin/xemacs
/usr/local/bin/xemacs:
        XEmacs 19.13 of Sun Oct  1 1995 on miles (hpux) [formerly
Lucid Emacs]
        Configuration: hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.01
        OSF/Motif Version 1.2.2
        HP libAlib v 0.1 Thu Aug 13 14:36:12 EDT 1992

and am getting a problem that I can recreate.

Essentially, everytime I go through an editing session, when I exit
xemacs I get a continuous stream of X protocol errors...

...
xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access
private resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  52152
  Current serial number in output stream:  819772

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access
private resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  52153
  Current serial number in output stream:  819772

xemacs: X Error of failed request:  BadAccess (attempt to access
private resource denied)
  Major opcode of failed request:  88 (X_FreeColors)
  Serial number of failed request:  52154
  Current serial number in output stream:  819772

...

I then have to send SIGTERM to the process which causes it to dump
core.  Of course the core is not of much use since it is triggered by
the SIGTERM...

lonestar>gdb `which xemacs` core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for
details.
GDB 4.15.1 (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.07), Copyright 1995 Free Software
Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `xemacs'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x299cf8 in kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x299cf8 in kill ()
#1  0x61fb0 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  0x4010b880 in _end ()
#3  0x61fb0 in fatal_error_signal ()
#4  0xe0202750 in _end ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x64657669.
(gdb) q

Thanks.

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From: jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy)
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Subject: Re: regular expression pains with [^>]
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Greetings,

Well according to the responses, nobody experiences the same
behaviour. I can make the following work for
delete-matching-lines by inserting an explicit ^J, (though even
this when typed in you cannot see as it inserts a real physical new
line, even if I use ^Q first)

However, it does not work for query-replace-regexp

This should be quite easy to do...reading the FAQ and the info
pages hasn't helped me though.

I want to match ONLY lines which DO NOT begin with a ">".  

So, I tried:

^[^>].*$ which doesn't work
^[^>\n].*$ which doesn't work
^[^>\n\r^M].*$ which doesn't work

Can somebody give me a hand!  They all almost work, but they all match
the *first* line of > indented text as well as the other lines, which
is *not* what is intended!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

> asdf
> blah

----------------------------------------------------------------------
becomes:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
> blah
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Jon
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From: Carter Sanders <redhouse@netcom.com>
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Subject: Using ispell 4.0 with 3.1 library - can I do it?
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:58:30 -0400
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This problem came up when I tried to use ispell inside of XEmacs.

ispell 4.0 is installed on my system and I want to install a newer
executable (3.1 - go figure).  Can I use the existing dictionary with
the new executable, and how do I alter config.h to use it (it is in a
non-standard directory)?
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Subject: Re: iso-acc.el for XEmacs
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I have the following lines in my .emacs which let me read and write accente=
d =

characters and use the 'Compose' key on my Sun keyboard:

  ;; print 8-bit characters
  (standard-display-european 1)
  (load "iso-syntax")
  ;; accept typing of 8-bit characters (prefix=3D C-x 8)
  (load "iso-insert")
  ;; Bind The 8859-1-map to the Compose key...
  (global-set-key [(multi_key)] 8859-1-map)

'Compose' ^ o =3D> =F4
'Compose' ' e =3D> =E9
'Compose' ` a =3D> =E0
'Compose' " i =3D> =EF
'Compose' , c =3D> =E7
=2E..


Martin Boyer wrote:
> =

> Is there a library that supports "dead keys" for entering accented
> characters under XEmacs?  I need something where the accent is entered
> BEFORE the letter to be accented (i.e. 'e =3D> e-acute).
> =

> With Emacs, the library iso-acc did just that, but there is nothing
> similar in the XEmacs 19.14 distribution.  I also checked the manual
> and the elisp archive.
> =

> --
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To: Aleksandar Milivojevic <alex@srce.hr>
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On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:

> My apologies for posting this directly to mailing list, but I have
> problems with unsubscribing from this mailing list. I tried to send
> message to xemacs-request@xemacs.org (as described in FAQ) with
> command 'unsubscribe' several times last two weeks, but I'm still
> receiving mail from list. All suggestions or help are welcome.

that makes two of us. I am not a newbie when it comes to lists... and I
understand when there is a lack of interest in helping newbies
unsubscribe, but I have tried everything I could think of and the volume
of mail that goes through this list is too much for me to deal with. I do
not want to have to resort to spamming with 500k attachments until someone
looks up to get me off. but, if this becomes my only course of action,
I'll take it.
			-peace

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From: mtennes@ford.com
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Colors in dired? and avoid.el
Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:44:31 -0700
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I tend to brag about how great Xemacs is, but recently my college
showed me how his GNU emacs dired would display directories in one
color and links in another. Is there a way to do this in Xemacs?

Also, is there a avoid.el that works with Xemacs on a SunOS 4.1.4
machine?

-- 
Michael

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From: amitabha roy <aroy@cs.uoregon.edu>
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Subject: Xemacs 19.14 upgrade problem
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:54:20 -0700
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I am trying to install Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5 machine
from scratch.

 What happens is that  I get undefined symbols while
linking (at the last step of make) - something like
X_lock_Mutex first referenced in /usr/openwin/lib/libX...

Now I have seen the PROBLEMS file that comes with the installation.
I realize that having LD_LIBRARY_PATH set probably causes this.
But I have tried this with it unset and it seems to make no difference.

 Is there something rather obvious that I am missing ? 

 				--Roy.

p.s. One other concern that I had was that maybe our libraries
were installed in unusual places. I checked with our
system administrator that that wasnt the case.

 I would really appreciate any help.

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goetze@get.uni-paderborn.de (Nicki Goetze) writes:

> does anyone know if, with VM, there's an accelerator key or a
> function to decode uuencoded-mail-attachments.

That's a FAQ. I adapted the following from a package I got from:

    From: keith.harp@East.Sun.COM (t e bennett)
    Subject: mailtool attachments in vm (was: decoding files received by mail (vm))
    Date: 08 Jun 1994 10:52:27 EDT

You'll also need the "runfile" program (appended).
I use the following code to interface it:

(autoload 'vm-list-attachments    "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)
(autoload 'vm-extract-attachment  "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)
(autoload 'vm-run-attachments	  "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)
(autoload 'vm-extract-in-place	  "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)
(autoload 'vm-attach		  "vm-mailtool" "Compatibility with mailtool." t)

(defun vm-ireq-add-summary-menus ()
  (add-submenu '("Dispose")
	       '("Attachments"
		 ["List" vm-list-attachments :active t]
		 ["Extract" vm-extract-attachment :active t]
		 ["UUdecode in place" vm-extract-in-place :active t]
		 ["Run" vm-run-attachments :active t])
	       "Burst Message as Digest")
  )
(add-hook 'vm-summary-mode-hook 'vm-ireq-add-summary-menus)


;; vm-mailtool.el -- addon package for VM to extract MailTool attachments
;; last updated by Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> on October 7, 96

;; extract the MailTool attachments and put them in a file
;;  Automatically puts the attachments in a subdirectory "attach" or
;; can run them.  Requires an executable called runfile.
;;
;;  major entries:
;;      vm-list-attachments
;;      vm-extract-attachment
;;      vm-extract-in-place
;;      vm-run-attachment
;;      vm-attach 
;;    send bug reports  to keith.harp@east.sun.com

;;  Note that if you forward a postscript file as a attachment, you
;;  can not be using digest forwarding:
;;      (setq vm-rfc934-forwarding nil) -- older versions like 5.32
;;      (setq vm-forwarding-digest-type nil) -- newer versions like 5.66

(defvar vm-extract-directory "" 
"*the default directory to extract attachments to")

(defvar vm-run-directory nil
"*if set, then extract to this directory and dont delete on a vm-run-attachment")

(defvar vm-run-file "vm-runfile"
"*the program used to execute attachments")
;;
;;

(require 'vm)

(defun vm-next-attachment()
  "return nil if no more attachments; if an attachment exists, return a list
consisting of (beginning-of-header end-of-header number-of-lines filename special-text)
point is left at the end of the header.  special-text indicates that
this could be the special text attachment that we don't extract at the beginning."
  (let (start 
	begin-header 
	end-header 
	lines 
	filename 
	file
	(special-text nil))
    (if (not (search-forward "X-Sun-Data-Name: " nil t))
	nil
      (setq start (point))

      ;; header starts two lines before the X-Sun-Data-Name field
      (search-backward "----------")
      (setq begin-header (point))

      ;;header ends after an empty line
      (search-forward "\n\n")
      (setq end-header (point))

      ;; extract file name
      (goto-char start)
      (skip-chars-forward "^\n")
      (setq file (buffer-substring start (point)))

      ;; if this is the special non-attachment text field, 
      ;; then don't extract it. 
      (if (and (equal file "text") 
	       (progn
		 (goto-char begin-header)
		 (search-forward "X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text" end-header t)))
	  (setq special-text t))

      ;; find length of file
      (goto-char start)
      (search-forward "X-Sun-Content-Lines: " end-header)
      (setq start (point))
      (skip-chars-forward "0-9")
      (setq lines (string-to-int (buffer-substring start (point))))

      (goto-char end-header)
      (list begin-header end-header lines file special-text))))


(defun vm-extract-compressed (end-header lines file)
  "see if the region is compressed, extract it if it is; return the filename
that it was extracted to, leave point at end of region, regardless"
  
  ;; currently only handles two types of encoding 
  ;;  1. uuencoding
  ;;  2. default-compression
  ;; It also assumes that default-compression is only used if
  ;; uuencoding is also used.
  (let ((uudecode nil)
	(decompress nil)
	(uudecoded-name nil)
	start2)
    (if (search-forward "X-Sun-Encoding-Info:" end-header t)
	(let (start end-line begin-name)
	  (setq start (point))
	  (forward-line 1)
	  (setq end-line (point))
	  (goto-char start)
	  (setq decompress (search-forward "default-compress" end-line t))
	  (if (search-forward "uuencode" end-line t)
	      (save-excursion
		(setq uudecode t)
		;;extract the uudecoded name
		;;note that the current version of uudecode
		;;has a bug when there a spaces in the filename
		;;uudecode only puts out the first token, not
		;;the whole name.
		(goto-char end-header)
		(skip-chars-forward "^ \t") ;; begin
		(skip-chars-forward " \t")  ;; spaces
		(skip-chars-forward "^ \t") ;; mode
		(skip-chars-forward " \t")  ;; spaces
		(setq begin-name (point))
		;; when the bug in uudecode is fixed, this
		;; should be changed to "^\n"
		(skip-chars-forward "^\n \t")
		(setq uudecoded-name (buffer-substring begin-name (point)))
		;; If the uudecoded name has a / in it, then
		;; uudecode wants to put it in a directory. 
		;; create this directory
		(if (search-backward "/" begin-name t)
		    (let ((newdir (buffer-substring begin-name (point))))
		      (message "creating %s" newdir)
		      (make-directory newdir)))))))

    (goto-char end-header)
    (forward-line lines)
    (if uudecode
	(save-excursion
	  (let ((old-shell-file-name shell-file-name))
	    ;; we must specify /bin/sh in order to avoid a problem
	    ;; with file names with ! in them as the last character.
	    (setq shell-file-name "/bin/sh")
	    (shell-command-on-region end-header (point) "uudecode")
	    (if decompress
		(shell-command 
		 (format "mv '%s' tmpattach; uncompress < tmpattach > '%s'; rm tmpattach" 
			 uudecoded-name file))
	      (if (not (string= uudecoded-name file))
		  (rename-file uudecoded-name file)))
	    (message "uudecoded %s%s" default-directory file)
	    (setq shell-file-name old-shell-file-name)
	    t))
      nil)))


(defun vm-attachment-list()
  "list any X attachments in the current buffer.  Return the number
of attachments and a string with them listed."
  (interactive)
  (message "Looking for attachments...")
  
  ;;have to be within message buffer to do the extraction
  (vm-select-folder-buffer)
  (vm-check-for-killed-summary)
  (vm-error-if-folder-empty)
;  (vm-display-current-message-buffer) ;; gone from vm5.51
  (vm-show-current-message)
  (select-window (get-buffer-window (current-buffer)))

  (let ((old-dir default-directory)
	(msg nil)
	(found 0)
	(menu '( "Select Attachment" ["All" '0 t] ))
	name
	info-list)
  
    (unwind-protect 
	(progn
	  (save-window-excursion 
	    (save-excursion
	      (goto-char (point-min))
	      
	      ;; find file info
	      (while (setq info-list (vm-next-attachment))
		(if (not (nth 4 info-list))
		    (progn
		      (setq name (nth 3 info-list))
		      (setq found (1+ found))
		      (setq msg (concat msg (format "%d) %s; " found name)))
		      (setq menu (append menu (list (vector name (list 'quote found) t))))
		      ))
		(forward-line (nth 2 info-list)))

	      (if (equal found 0)
		  (setq msg nil)))))
      ;; cleanup for unwind-protect
      (setq default-directory old-dir))
    (list found msg menu)))

(defun vm-list-attachments()
  "list any X attachments in the current buffer.  The index into the
list can be used as the prefix argument to vm-extract-attachment or
vm-run-attachment"
  (interactive)
  (let ((attachments (vm-attachment-list)))
    (if (equal (car attachments) 0)
	(message "No attachments found")
      (message "%s" (nth 1 attachments)))))
      
(defun vm-do-extract-attach(dir runit deleteit which-one)
  "extract any X attachments in the current buffer and save them to files
arg DIR is the directory to extract to.  RUNIT is whether or not to call
runfile on the file (requires executable runfile on path).  DELETEIT
is whether or not to delete the extracted file after running it.
WHICHONE is the offset from the beginning of the file to extract
\(0 means all)"
  (message "Looking for attachments...")

  ;;have to be within message buffer to do the extraction
  (vm-select-folder-buffer)
  (vm-check-for-killed-summary)
  (vm-error-if-folder-empty)
  ;;(vm-display-current-message-buffer)
  (vm-show-current-message)
  (select-window (get-buffer-window (current-buffer)))

  (let ((old-dir default-directory)
        (found 0)
        info-list)

    (unwind-protect 
	(let (fulldir executable)
	  (save-window-excursion 
	    (save-excursion
	      (goto-char (point-min))
	    
	      (setq fulldir (expand-file-name dir))
	      (if (not (file-directory-p fulldir))
		  (make-directory fulldir))
	      (setq default-directory (concat fulldir "/"))

	      (while (setq info-list (vm-next-attachment))
		(if (nth 4 info-list)
		    (forward-line (nth 2 info-list))
		  (let 
		      ((end-header (nth 1 info-list))
		       (start  (nth 0 info-list))
		       (file   (nth 3 info-list))
		       (lines  (nth 2 info-list)))
		    (setq found (1+ found))

		    ;; if we have specified
		    ;; that we only want one of the attachments, and
		    ;; this is not it, then skip this one.
		    (if (and (/= which-one 0) (/= found which-one))
			(progn
			  (goto-char end-header)
			  (forward-line lines))

		      ;; see if this is a executable
		      (goto-char start)
		      (setq executable 
			    (re-search-forward 
			     "X-Sun-Data-Type: \\(default-app\\|cshell-script\\|shell-script\\)" 
			     end-header t))

		      (goto-char start)

		      ;; if the file already exists, rename the current file
		      ;; to file.uniqueinteger
		      (if (file-exists-p file)
			  (let ((i 0) newfile)
			    (while (file-exists-p (setq newfile (format "%s.%d" file i)))
			      (setq i (1+ i)))
			    (rename-file file newfile)))

		      ;; vm-extract-compressed leaves point at end of attachment
		      (if (not (vm-extract-compressed end-header lines file))
			  (progn
			    (message "Writing %s" file)
			    (write-region end-header (point) file nil nil)))
		
		      (if executable
			  (set-file-modes file (logior (file-modes file) ?\111)))
					
		      (if runit
			  (progn
			    (message "Executing %s" file)
			    (if deleteit
				(start-process "runfile" nil "nohup" vm-run-file "-d" file)
			      (start-process "runfile" nil "nohup" vm-run-file file))
			    ))
		
		      ))));; end while 
	      (if (equal found 0)
		  (message "No attachments found")
		(if deleteit
		    (message "Done")
		  (message "Attachments in %s" default-directory))))))
      ;; cleanup for unwind-protect
      (setq default-directory old-dir))))
      

(defun popup-and-wait(menu)
  "After popping up a menu, wait for the result and return the callback"
  (popup-menu menu)
  (let ((event (allocate-event)))
    (catch 'popup-and-wait-done
      (while t
	(next-command-event event)
	(cond 
	 ((and (menu-event-p event)
	       (eq (event-object event) 'menu-no-selection-hook))
	  (progn
	    (signal 'quit nil)))
	 ((menu-event-p event) 
	  (throw 'popup-and-wait-done (event-object event)))
	 ((button-release-event-p event) ;; don't beep twice
	  nil)
	 (t
	  (beep)
	  (message "please answer the dialog box")))))))

  
(defun vm-derive-which-extract()
  "derive which to extract.  return 0 for all,
or the number of the attachment to extract"
   (if current-prefix-arg
       current-prefix-arg
     (let ((attachments (vm-attachment-list)))
       (let ((found (car attachments)))
	 (cond ((equal found 0)
		(error "No attachments to extract"))
	       ((equal found 1) 
		0) ;; don't prompt, just accept it.

	       ;; if we can use popups, and the last event was a mouse
	       ;; driven one, use a popup.
	       
	       ;; I know that there is a bug where if the popup appears
	       ;; over another window, the wrong window is selected.
	       ((and (vm-lucid-emacs-p) (or
					 (button-press-event-p last-command-event)
					 (button-release-event-p last-command-event)
					 (menu-event-p last-command-event)))
		(eval (popup-and-wait (nth 2 attachments))))

	       ;; otherwise, read from the minibuffer
	       (t 	   
		(read-minibuffer
		 (format "Which one (%s) (0 for all) >" (nth 1 attachments))
		 "0")))))))
   
  

(defun vm-extract-attachment(which-one dir)
  "extract any X attachments in the current buffer and save them to files
arg DIR is the directory to extract to.  The default directory to save
to is the current directory (of the mail folder) or the value of 
vm-extract-directory.  Use of the prefix operator allows you to specify
WHICH to extract"
  (interactive 
   (list
    (vm-derive-which-extract)
    (expand-file-name (read-file-name 
		       (format "Extract to directory: (default %s) " 
			       (expand-file-name vm-extract-directory))
		       nil vm-extract-directory nil))))
  (vm-do-extract-attach dir nil nil which-one))


(defun vm-run-attachment(which-one)
  "Extract any attachments and run them using the runfile program.
   Use of the prefix operator allows you to specify WHICH to run"
  (interactive (list (vm-derive-which-extract)))
  (if vm-run-directory
      (vm-do-extract-attach vm-run-directory t nil which-one)
    (vm-do-extract-attach "/tmp/attach" t t which-one)))



(defun vm-extract-in-place(which-one)
  "Extract a uuencoded text attachment and replace it in place with
a non-uuencoded version.  The prefix operator allows you to specify
WHICH to run"
  (interactive (list (vm-derive-which-extract)))

  ;;have to be within message buffer to do the extraction
  (vm-select-folder-buffer)
  (vm-check-for-killed-summary)
  (vm-error-if-folder-empty)
;  (vm-display-current-message-buffer)
  (vm-show-current-message)
  (select-window (get-buffer-window (current-buffer)))
  (let ((old-dir default-directory)
	(replaced 0)
	(found 0)
	nchars
	(nlines 0)
	info-list)

    (unwind-protect 
      (progn
	(save-window-excursion 
	  (save-excursion
	    (setq default-directory "/tmp/")
	    (vm-edit-message)
	    (message "extracting in place...")
	    (goto-char (point-min))
	    
	    ;; find file info
	    (while (setq info-list (vm-next-attachment))
	      (if (nth 4 info-list)
		  (forward-line (nth 2 info-list))
              (let 
                   ((end-header (nth 1 info-list))
                    (start  (nth 0 info-list))
                    (file   (nth 3 info-list))
                    (lines  (nth 2 info-list)))
		(setq found (1+ found))

                ;; if we have specified
                ;; that we only want one of the attachments, and
                ;; this is not it, then skip this one.
                (if (and (/= which-one 0) (/= found which-one))
		    (progn
		      (goto-char end-header)
		      (forward-line lines))

		  ;; vm-extract-compressed leaves point at end of attachment
		  (goto-char start)
		  (if (vm-extract-compressed end-header lines file)
		      (progn
			(setq replaced (1+ replaced))
			(delete-region end-header (point))
			(setq nchars (nth 1 (insert-file-contents file)))
			(setq nlines (count-lines (point) (+ (point) nchars)))

			;; we have to be careful that this is not a deskset message
			(if (looking-at "From")
			    (insert ">"))

			(goto-char start)
			(if (re-search-forward "X-Sun-Encoding-Info: .*\n" end-header t)
			    (delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0)))
			(if (re-search-forward "X-Sun-Content-Lines: *\\([0-9]+\\)"
					       end-header t)
			    (replace-match (format "X-Sun-Content-Lines: %d" nlines)))
			(forward-line (+ 1 nlines))
			(delete-file file)))))))

	    (vm-edit-message-end))))

    ;; cleanup for unwind-protect
    (setq default-directory old-dir))
  (message "replaced %d attachments" replaced)))

;; if it is not already set up as a X-sun-attachment type, then
;; we need to do so.  Also set up the opening text as the dummy text 
;; attachment (fortunately, it is OK to say length 0, and we don't
;; have to give the real length.  Otherwise, we would need a send-mail-hook.
(defun vm-insert-dummy-attachment()
  (if (not (search-backward "Content-Type: X-sun-attachment" (point-min) t))
      (progn
	(goto-char (point-min))
	(insert "Content-Type: X-sun-attachment\n")
	(re-search-forward (concat "^" mail-header-separator "\n") (point-max) t)
	(insert "----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text
X-Sun-Data-Name: text
X-Sun-Charset: us-ascii
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 0

"))))


;; This routine is derived from one on sun.emacs contributed by 
;; Cris Perdue (cperdue@clam.Sun.COM)
(defun vm-attach (file)
  "This attaches a file in the manner of Sun's mailtool.
If a prefix argument is supplied, encodes the file with uuencode.
Always appends the new attachment.
Leaves point at the beginning of the contents of the file.  You may
hand-edit the headers except for X-Sun-Content-Lines."
  (interactive "fAttach file: ")
  (let ((encode current-prefix-arg)
	filetype nchars nlines end-loc 
	(here (point-max)))
    (message "attaching %s..." file) 
    (setq filetype (shell-command (format "%s -type %s" vm-run-file 
					  (expand-file-name file))))
    (goto-char (point-max))
    ;; here would be a natural place to say if filetype is one of the following
    ;; then encode it automatically.
    (if encode
	(progn
	  (shell-command (format "uuencode %s %s" file (file-name-nondirectory file)) t)
	  ; version 19.6 of lemacs adds an optional parameter to mark.
	  ; this must be true if zmacs-regions is true, or we return nil.
	  ; prior versions cannot be passed a parameter.
	  (setq end-loc (mark t))
	  (setq nchars (- end-loc (point)))
	  (setq nlines (count-lines (point) end-loc)))
      (progn
	(setq nchars (nth 1 (insert-file-contents file)))
	(setq nlines (count-lines (point) (+ (point) nchars)))))
    (insert "----------\n")
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Data-Type: %s\n" filetype))
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Data-Description: %s\n" filetype))
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Data-Name: %s\n" (file-name-nondirectory file)))
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Full-File-Name: %s\n" (expand-file-name file)))
    (if encode
      (insert "X-Sun-Encoding-Info: uuencode\n"))
    (insert (format "X-Sun-Content-Lines: %d\n\n" nlines))
    (vm-insert-dummy-attachment)
    (goto-char (point-max))))

(defun vm-attach-binary (file)
  "This attaches a binary file in the manner of Sun's mailtool.
Encodes the file with uuencode.
Always appends the new attachment.
Leaves point at the beginning of the contents of the file.  You may
hand-edit the headers except for X-Sun-Content-Lines."
  (interactive "fAttach binary file: ")
  (let ((current-prefix-arg t))
    (vm-attach file)))

;; We need to shuffle things around when we forward messages such that
;; the mailtool can recognize the forwarded message as an attachment.
(defun vm-cleanup-forwarded-attachments()
  (save-excursion
    (if (re-search-forward "^Content-Type: X-sun-attachment\n" (point-max) t)
	(progn
	  (delete-region (match-beginning 0) (match-end 0))
	  (goto-char (point-min))
	  (if (re-search-forward "----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: text
X-Sun-Data-Description: text\n" (point-max) t)
	      (let 
		  ((start (match-beginning 0)))
		(search-forward "\n\n")
		(delete-region start (match-end 0))
		))
	  (vm-insert-dummy-attachment))))
  nil)

(add-hook 'vm-forward-message-hook 'vm-cleanup-forwarded-attachments)

(defalias 'vm-lucid-emacs-p 'vm-xemacs-p)

(provide 'vm-extract)

----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: t
X-Sun-Data-Description: t
X-Sun-Data-Name: runfile.c
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 235

/*
 * runfile [-v] [-dryrun] [-d] filenames ...
 * execute a file like filemgr would if you clicked on it.
 *    -v      verbose
 *    -dryrun just say what you're doing, don't do it
 *    -d      destructive.  Remove the file after you execute it.
 *    -type   just output the type of the file; don't run it.
 *  all the options are toggles so that they can be used on 
 *  individual files
 */

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <desktop/ce.h>
#include <desktop/ce_err.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>

/* variable definitions */
CE_NAMESPACE 	f_name_space, t_name_space;
CE_ENTRY 	ftype_ent, ttype_ent;
CE_ATTRIBUTE 	fns_type, fns_attr, tns_attr, tns_open, default_open, default_run;

int executable(int fd)
{
    struct stat buf;

    if (fstat(fd,&buf)) {
	perror(NULL);
	fprintf(stderr, "Unable to stat file\n");
	return 0;
    }
    return (buf.st_mode & (S_IRWXU | S_IRWXG | S_IRWXO)) &
	(S_IXUSR | S_IXGRP | S_IXOTH);
}

CE_ATTRIBUTE get_default(CE_ATTRIBUTE* attr, char* str)
{
    CE_ENTRY default_ent;

    if (!*attr) {
	if (!(default_ent = ce_get_entry(t_name_space,1,str))) {
	    fprintf (stderr, "No default-app entry in type Namespace \n");
	    return 0;
	}
	*attr = ce_get_attribute(t_name_space, default_ent, tns_attr);
    }
    return *attr;
}

main(argc, argv)
    int argc;
    char *argv[];
{
    int  fd;
    int  verbose = 0;
    int  n;
    char *filename;
    char buf[1024];
    char cmd[1024];
    char *ptr;
    int  bufsize, status;
    int  dryrun = 0;
    int  destructive = 0;
    int  typeonly = 0;
    
    /*
     * Initialize the Classing Engine
     */
    default_open = 0;
    default_run = 0;
    status = ce_begin (NULL);
    if (status)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Error initializing Classing Engine Database - Error no: %d.\n", status);
	exit (0);
    }
    
    /* Read in Namespace Entries */
    f_name_space = ce_get_namespace_id ("Files");
    if (!f_name_space)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Cannot find File Namespace\n");
	ce_end();
	exit(0);
    }
    
    t_name_space = ce_get_namespace_id ("Types");
    if (!t_name_space)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Cannot find Types namespace\n");
	ce_end();
	exit(0);
    }
    
    /*
     * Get the attribute ID's that we're interested in
     */
    fns_attr = ce_get_attribute_id (f_name_space, "FNS_TYPE");
    
    if (!fns_attr)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Cannot find FNS_ATTR in Files\n");
	ce_end();
	exit(0);
    }
    
    tns_attr = ce_get_attribute_id (t_name_space, "TYPE_OPEN");
    
    if (!tns_attr)	{
	fprintf (stderr, "Cannot find TYPE_OPEN in Types\n");
	ce_end();
	exit(0);
    }
    
    /*  
     * Start loop to read in filenames and type them
     */
    
    for (n=1; n < argc; n++) {
	
	if (!strcmp(argv[n],"-v")) {
	    verbose = !verbose;
	    continue;
	}
	
	if (!strcmp(argv[n],"-d")) {
	    destructive = !destructive;
	    continue;
	}
	
	if (!strcmp(argv[n],"-dryrun")) {
	    dryrun = !dryrun;
	    continue;
	}

	if (!strcmp(argv[n],"-type")) {
	    typeonly = !typeonly;
	    continue;
	}
	
	filename = argv[n];
	
	if ((fd = open (filename, 0)) == -1) {
	    fprintf(stderr, "Cannot open: %s\n", filename);
	    continue;
	}
	
	bufsize = read (fd, buf, sizeof (buf));
	if (bufsize <= 0) {
	    fprintf(stderr, "Empty file or Directory: %s\n", filename);
	    close (fd);
	    continue;
	}
	
	/* Get a matching entry in the files namespace */
	tns_open = 0;
	fns_type = 0;
	
	if (ftype_ent = ce_get_entry (f_name_space, 3, filename, buf, bufsize))
	    fns_type = ce_get_attribute (f_name_space, ftype_ent, fns_attr);

	/* If all we want is the type, put it out */
	if (typeonly) {
	    if (!fns_type) {
		if (executable(fd))
		    printf("default-app");
		else
		    printf("default");
	    } else {
		printf((char*)fns_type);
	    }
	    continue;
	}
        
	if (!(fns_type &&
	      (ttype_ent = ce_get_entry (t_name_space, 1, fns_type)) 		&&
	      (tns_open = ce_get_attribute (t_name_space, ttype_ent, tns_attr)))) {

	    if (executable(fd))
		tns_open = get_default(&default_run, "default-app");
	    else
		tns_open = get_default(&default_open, "default");
	    if (!tns_open)
		continue;
	}
	
	if (!tns_open)	{
	    fprintf (stderr, "No TYPE_OPEN in Types namespace for %s\n",filename);
	    continue;
	}
/* I had a bug report from MATS LIDELL that when he tried to use this
 * one an attachment for openFrame, it ended up with an error message
 * unable to open /tmp/attach/'filename' (quotes in there).  I don't know
 * what the problem was.  The reason the quotes are there is to allow
 * filenames that have spaces in them.  If you don't need this, but are
 * having the quote problem, then #define NOQUOTE */
	strcpy(buf, tns_open);
	while (ptr = strstr(buf,"$FILE")) 
#ifndef NOQUOTE
	    memcpy(ptr,"'%1s'",5);
#else
            memcpy(ptr,"%001s",5);
#endif
	
	sprintf(cmd, buf, filename, filename, filename, 
		filename, filename);
	
	if (verbose)
	    printf("%s\n",cmd);
	
	if (!dryrun) {
	    switch (fork()) {
		/* child process */
	    case 0:
		{
		    system(cmd); 
		    if (destructive)
			unlink(filename);
		    exit(1);
		}
	    case -1: 
		{
		    perror(NULL);
		    fprintf(stderr,"Unable to fork\n");
		    break;
		}
	    default: /* forked OK */
		break;
	    }
	}
    }
    
    ce_end();
    exit(0);
}



----------
X-Sun-Data-Type: t
X-Sun-Data-Description: t
X-Sun-Data-Name: Makefile
X-Sun-Content-Lines: 15

LDFLAGS = -L${OPENWINHOME}/lib
CPPFLAGS = -I${OPENWINHOME}/include
LDLIBS = -lce -ldl
debug := CFLAGS = -g
CC = cc

all:   runfile
debug:  all

DST = ../../bin/runfile

${DST} : runfile
	cp runfile ${DST}

install: all ${DST}


-- 
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From: Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Gnudoit with _GNU_ Emacs
Date: 25 Oct 1996 06:51:52 -0700
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Did someone recently post a message saying they had managed to get gnudoit
and the gnuserv system to work with GNU Emacs? I'm pretty sure that is what was
said but I've lost the message.

If this is the case can you please tell me how you did it. I've downloaded and
compiled the code but the gnuserv server always rejects connections from
gnudoit.
Is there anything special that needs to be done to get gnuserv to work 
properley with GNU Emacs, since its designed for Xemacs.
-- 
		Lord Pixel, the cat who walks through walls.
           123 BPM? <-> "Blert!" - Rebel without a clue. <-> Z8-T
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From: Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Detecting _earliest_ change in a file
Date: 25 Oct 1996 06:58:27 -0700
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I need to find a way of detecting the earliest change made in a text file that
is being edited by Emacs.

That is to say, as soon as the user edits the file (the 2 stars appear in the
modeline) I need some way of determining which character this occured at.
Furthermore, if they subsequently edit earlier in the file I need to know
about it and update the earliest change accordingly.

Is there an Emacs function capable of doing this? Or am I going to have to
trap (each!) keypress event and check its position? In which case whereabouts
should I be looking - where are the hooks?

Or does emacs keep the info on the earliest change somewhere handy?

Any help apprechiated thanks.

(if anyone suggests I use diff, well done, thats emergency backup plan)
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From: psmith@baynetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
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Subject: Re: Gnudoit with _GNU_ Emacs
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%% Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk> writes:

  at> Did someone recently post a message saying they had managed to get
  at> gnudoit and the gnuserv system to work with GNU Emacs? I'm pretty
  at> sure that is what was said but I've lost the message.

Yep, I've been using it for a couple years now with Emacs.

  at> If this is the case can you please tell me how you did it. I've
  at> downloaded and compiled the code but the gnuserv server always
  at> rejects connections from gnudoit.

You have the latest, right?  gnuserv 2.1alpha?

Does gnuclient work?  Is your server still running (you didn't get a
message about "server exiting" or anything, did you--look in your
*Messages* buffer)?

If so, probably the issue is with gnuserv's more advanced security
and/or the way you compiled it.  See the relevant sections of the
gnuserv man page (SYSV IPC, UNIX-DOMAIN SOCKETS, INTERNET-DOMAIN
SOCKETS, and SECURITY).  Once you know how you compiled it, you should
be able to work out what kind of security issues you might have.

  at> Is there anything special that needs to be done to get gnuserv to
  at> work properley with GNU Emacs, since its designed for Xemacs.

That's absolutely not true.

The XEmacs people are bundling it, while Emacs is still bundling the
original, but it was written for Emacs not XEmacs.

The XEmacs and Emacs interfaces on this level, however, are the same
(AFAIK, I don't have XEmacs handy).

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When I compose mail, insert a file with mh-mhn-compose-insertion,
run mh-edit-mhn, and thef run mh-send-letter, I get an error about
not finding "^--------". I've been sticking this in by hand in various
places. Any ideas about how to fix this?

Possibly related: I've noticed that tm (or mh (or mh-e)) does not
recognize my multipart messages as multipart messages. I've compared
it to a test multipart message from paf@bunyip.com, which is
recognized as multipart, and I haven't found any substantial
difference in the headers. For example, I will compose a message like
this:

1. type words
2. type C-cC-mC-i blah blah application/octet-stream bla blah
3. type C-cC-e
4. type --------^J in one of two places: before Content-Type: or before the
   first blank line (within Content-Type: multipart/mixed...)
5. type C-cC-c

If I send this to myself tm seems to think this is a plain text file. It
does treat the test message from paf@bunyip correctly though.

What's the deal?




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David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
> >>>>> "Darren" == Darren Toler <kittiara@ghgcorp.com> writes:
> Darren> Thanks to all who have responded to me to look at
> Darren> /opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el!

For some reason, the original article never arrived at my
newsserver. Could you please tell me, where to get dde.el?


Markus

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emacs

Bruce Sams (sams@ipp-garching.mpg.de) wrote:
: Hello, 

: I am interested in programming C++ and HTML on UNIX based systems
: with X support.  One unifying application seems to be missing from
: the standard tool reprtoire: a programming environment.  I like
: using gcc, emacs, makefiles and X, but wonder if anyone out there
: has seen a programming environment which allows one to bind them 
: all together.  I have found one such tool, called xwpe, which models
: the Borland c++ environment.  However the editor is built in and
: fixed.  

: Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
: manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to 
: connect to emacs (or xcoral)?  Please reply via e-mail, as this
: is a cross-group posting.

: Thanks,

: BRuce Sams


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Brett Johnson wrote:
> 
> Darren Toler wrote:
> >
> > Hi out there in Xemacs Land,
> >
> > I have a question that maybe someone has already figured out...
> >
> > I am running Xemacs 19.14 under HPUX 10.10.  We have the HP C/ANSI C
> > Developer's Kit on our system which includes the HP/DDE debugger.  This
> > debugger includes aliases to make it xdb compatible and a set of macros
> > to make it dbx compatible.
> >
> > Now for the question: Can I use Xemacs to 'drive' the debugger by
> > setting it up to emulate one of these other debuggers? or does someone
> > have an Xemacs routine to integrate the HP debugger?
> 
> /opt/langtools/dde/contrib/dde.el will integrate dde into emacs, but I'm
> not sure if it works with XEmacs or not.
> 

Nope.  As it says, it works with GNU emacs 18 ONLY. Maybe someone out
there has an Xemacs 19.14 converted version? Or maybe someone wants to
convert it? I have tried, but I couldn't get it to work right. I need to
learn more elisp!  It is written from the gdb.el package.

Darren
darren.toler@jsc.nasa.gov
kittiara@ghgcorp.com

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>>>>> "mtennes" == mtennes  <mtennes@ford.com> writes:

mtennes> I tend to brag about how great Xemacs is, but recently my
mtennes> college showed me how his GNU emacs dired would display
mtennes> directories in one color and links in another. Is there a way
mtennes> to do this in Xemacs?

XEmacs does this too.  Take a look at dired-xemacs-highlight.el.

I use the following in .emacs:

(if (and running-xemacs
         (console-on-window-system-p))
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              #'(lambda ()
                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
              t))
(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
(require 'dired)

mtennes> Also, is there a avoid.el that works with Xemacs on a SunOS
mtennes> 4.1.4 machine?

No.
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Hello,

We are in the process of migrating from HP-UX 9.x to HP-UX 10.20.
I downloaded xemacs-19.14 (the source).  After reading the README,
INSTALL, etc/MACHINES and other documents, I invoked "./configure"
It went ahead and started trying to determine stuff.  It died with
the error "configure: can not determine size of short."  I then
tried to invoke it with an actual configuration:

  ./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux

The same error appeared.  I also tried the shared version

  ./configure hppa1.1-hp-hpux9shr

Same error.

I find it kind of amusing that it cannot determine the size of one
of the basic units of the OS.

I am doing this on a HP-UX 9000/777 (a C110) running HP-UX 10.20.
I have the ANSI C and C++ compilers installed:

  /opt/ansic/bin/cc:
                LINT A.10.32.03 CXREF  A.10.32.03
          HP92453-01 A.10.32.03 HP C Compiler
           /usr/lib/libc: $Revision: 76.3 $

  /opt/CC/bin/CC:
          HP C++ HPCPLUSPLUS  A.10.22


I don't read any of the emacs news groups or mailing lists.  When
this issue gets resolved, would someone please let me know?

Thanks in advance.

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>>>>> "mtennes" == mtennes  <mtennes@ford.com> writes:

mtennes> I tend to brag about how great Xemacs is, but recently my college
mtennes> showed me how his GNU emacs dired would display directories in one
mtennes> color and links in another. Is there a way to do this in Xemacs?

  In your ~/.emacs, put:

(add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)


  To change the default colors, that don't work very well on a dark
  background, also put something like:

(defvar in-color-x11 (and (equal (device-type) 'x)
			  (equal (device-class) 'color)))

(cond 
 (in-color-x11
  (setq after-load-alist
	(append after-load-alist
		'(("dired-xemacs-highlight"
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "OrangeRed1")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-setuid "orange")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "plum1")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-symlink "moccasin")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-executable "cyan")
		   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-directory "yellow")))
		))))

  -- HM

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In article <kigpw27clje.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>, Hrvoje Niksic
<hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:

>Mike Harrelson (harrelson@reticular.com) wrote:
>> I need to make some custom settings for our system but I don't
>> know how to  make it global for all my xemacs users.
>
>Use prefix/xemacs-19.14/lisp/site-start.el
>
>where prefix is the prefix to which XEmacs is installed, usually
>/usr/local.
>
>-- 
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>--------------------------------+--------------------------------
>* Q: What is an experienced Emacs user?
>* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.


A naive ELisp question.... anyone care to show a fragment of Lisp
code for placement in site-startl.el that would check if the user
has an existing .emacs (or .xemacs) file and load a system.xemacs
file iff there is no existing .emacs/.xemacs file???

My Lisp skills extend to modifying the nicely documented Lisp
already in Xemacs ^_^ only.

Thanks,
Steve

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Subject: Re: Detecting _earliest_ change in a file
Date: 26 Oct 1996 20:33:57 +0100
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>>>>> Andrew Thompson writes:

  Andrew> I need to find a way of detecting the earliest change made
  Andrew> in a text file that is being edited by Emacs.

The hook that gets run when the first change to a file occurs is --
Suprise! -- first-change-hook.

,-----
| first-change-hook's value is nil		     
| 						       
| Documentation:					     
| A list of functions to call before changing a buffer which is unmodified.
| The functions are run using the `run-hooks' function.
`-----

hth,
kai
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Steve Franks (franks@cpsc.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
> A naive ELisp question.... anyone care to show a fragment of Lisp
> code for placement in site-startl.el that would check if the user
> has an existing .emacs (or .xemacs) file and load a system.xemacs
> file iff there is no existing .emacs/.xemacs file???

This seems pretty non-emacsian.  The purpose of the site-start file is
to set the system defaults sane for the given system.  Any user will
override them easily in his/her .emacs file.

If you really want such a thing, you can do:
(when (file-exists-p "~/.emacs")
  ;; your code here
  )

Your code may include (load "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/system.emacs")

But AFAIK that's the wrong thing to do.

-- 
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From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>
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Subject: Re: Detecting _earliest_ change in a file
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* Andrew Thompson <at4@hawk.doc.ic.ac.uk>
| I need to find a way of detecting the earliest change made in a text file
| that is being edited by Emacs.
| 
| That is to say, as soon as the user edits the file (the 2 stars appear in
| the modeline) I need some way of determining which character this occured
| at.  Furthermore, if they subsequently edit earlier in the file I need to
| know about it and update the earliest change accordingly.
| 
| Is there an Emacs function capable of doing this? Or am I going to have
| to trap (each!) keypress event and check its position? In which case
| whereabouts should I be looking - where are the hooks?
| 
| Or does emacs keep the info on the earliest change somewhere handy?
| 
| Any help apprechiated thanks.

you can keep track of all changes by running code in
`after-change-functions' or `before-change-functions', which see.

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>>>>> "Ganesh" == Ganesh Kumar <gakumar@ichips.intel.com> writes:

Ganesh> Hi,

Ganesh> 'edt.el' in Xemacs-v19.13 (which appears to be different from
Ganesh> the one in Gnu Emacs) has the following line,

Ganesh> 		(require 'keypad)

Ganesh> however I am unable to find 'keypad.el' in the
Ganesh> distribution. Can someone mail/point this file to me...thanks.

An inquiry about edt.el, cool.  Edt.el in XEmacs 19.13 & 19.14 is
broken and possibly never worked.  Your best bet is to port edt.el
from the latest GNU Emacs, or wait until 19.15 is released -- it will
contain a (tested) edt.el ported from GNU Emacs 19.34.
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I am having some trouble with info.

I cannot figure out how to override the default info directory.
And how to make it merge info dirs.

Can anyone help?

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	If it's too much of a pain to change it, then how do I get rid of
it completely?  I really want the 3rd mouse button to function like it
used to in regular old emacs, double clicking it cuts the selected text.
I edited my .emacs file to let me do that in other files but C++ mode
seems to override that.  BTW, I'm using version 19.14 and it crashes once
in a while whenever I try to open new files, or save files.  Is there a
patch or something?
							Thanks,
							Stan Kwong

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>>>>> "Dean" == Dean G A Johnson <dean@netaxs.com> writes:

Dean I am having some trouble with info.

Dean I cannot figure out how to override the default info directory.
Dean And how to make it merge info dirs.

Dean Can anyone help?

(setq NDS::local-info-dir "<top-level-dir-of-your-info-files>")

(if (file-accessible-directory-p NDS::local-info-dir)
    (let (ldir)
      (setq ldir (concat NDS::local-info-dir "localdir"))
      (if (file-exists-p ldir)
	  (setq Info-directory-list
		(append Info-default-directory-list (list NDS::local-info-dir))))))


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It seems that you can't use dired-xemacs-highlight if you've
installed the ACME-lib package. The normal lisp/dired directory
is removed from load-path and is replaced by site-lisp/efs/
which does not contain dired-xemacs-highligh.

Anyone knows why??


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From: balld@calzone.oit.unc.edu (Donald Ball)
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I'm having trouble compiling xemacs-19.14 on a Sparc Solaris 2.5.1
(SparcStation 10 in case you care) using gcc-2.7.2.1. I'm not using
openwin but have instead installed X11R6.1 in /usr/local/X11R6.1. The
problem is in the last stage of making in which it loads a buncha stuff,
dumps under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-Xemacs, reports a bunch of usage
statistics, some impurities, and then gives me: 

unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: 
relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in 
../dynodump/dynodump.so
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xemacs'
Current working directory /usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `src'

I get the same thing whether I use Sun's ld or GNU's ld. I looked in the
dynodump directory, read the little README and tried out the sample
program described therein. Works like a champ. Xemacs, however, doesn't.
I've got an amazingly large amount of swap space available (750m) and a
fair chunk of real memory (200m) so I don't think that's the problem.
PROBLEMS file reports nothing like this. Help!?! 

- donald

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Martin Buchholz writes:

> I'd like to include iso-acc.el in the next release of XEmacs.  Is the
> version posted in the recent referenced article on comp.emacs.xemacs
> the best one to use, or is an `official' release that supports XEmacs
> forthcoming from Johan?

I've attached  to this message an  iso-acc.el based on the most recent
iso-acc.el, available in GNU Emacs 19.34.

The function iso-generate-char, as defined for XEmacs, uses a hack for
generating    128-255     characters:    a  pseudo-key     is  created
([quoted-insert-for-iso-acc])  and mapped to  quoted-insert, and, when
iso-acc needs to generate a character in this range, it adds the octal
representation  of the character   to   the event-queue and  maps  the
current key to [quoted-insert-for-iso-acc]; I could not find a cleaner
way to achieve this. 

If anyone knows how to do that, please tell  me.  Other hacks I tried,
such   as  returning the  function  'quoted-insert  instead  of a key,
crashed XEmacs  19.14 (although they worked fine  on GNU Emacs 19.34).
Returning the character  itself, as done  in GNU Emacs, does not work,
because the character is interpreted as a meta-key.

-- 
Alexandre Oliva
mailto:oliva@dcc.unicamp.br
Universidade Estadual de Campinas, SP, Brasil


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;;; iso-acc.el --- minor mode providing electric accent keys

;; Copyright (C) 1993, 1994, 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Johan Vromans <jv@mh.nl>
;; Version: 1.7 (modified)
;; Maintainer: FSF
;; Keywords: i18n
;; Adapted for XEmacs 19.14 by Alexandre Oliva <oliva@dcc.unicamp.br>
;; Last update: Oct 10, 1996

;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,
;; Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; Function `iso-accents-mode' activates a minor mode in which
;; typewriter "dead keys" are emulated.  The purpose of this emulation
;; is to provide a simple means for inserting accented characters
;; according to the ISO-8859-1 character set.
;;
;; In `iso-accents-mode', pseudo accent characters are used to
;; introduce accented keys.  The pseudo-accent characters are:
;;
;;   '  (minute)    -> grave accent
;;   `  (backtick)  -> acute accent
;;   "  (second)    -> diaeresis
;;   ^  (caret)     -> circumflex
;;   ~  (tilde)     -> tilde over the character
;;   /  (slash)     -> slash through the character.
;;   ,  (cedilla)   -> cedilla under the character (except on default mode).
;;		  Also:  /A is A-with-ring and /E is AE ligature.
;;
;; The action taken depends on the key that follows the pseudo accent.
;; In general: 
;;
;;   pseudo-accent + appropriate letter -> accented letter
;;   pseudo-accent + space -> pseudo-accent (except for comma)
;;   pseudo-accent + pseudo-accent -> accent (if available)
;;   pseudo-accent + other -> pseudo-accent + other
;;
;; If the pseudo-accent is followed by anything else than a 
;; self-insert-command, the dead-key code is terminated, the
;; pseudo-accent inserted 'as is' and the bell is rung to signal this.
;;
;; Function `iso-accents-mode' can be used to enable the iso accents
;; minor mode, or disable it.

;; If you want only some of these characters to serve as accents,
;; add a language to `iso-languages' which specifies the accent characters
;; that you want, then select the language with `iso-accents-customize'.

;;; Code:

(provide 'iso-acc)

;; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14
(if (fboundp 'read-event) ()
  (defun read-event () (event-key (next-command-event))))

;; needed to work on GNU Emacs (had to use this function on XEmacs)
(if (fboundp 'character-to-event) ()
  (defun character-to-event (ch &optional event console meta) ch))

;; needed for compatibility with XEmacs 19.14 and GNU Emacs 19.30
(if (fboundp 'this-single-command-keys) ()
  (if (string-match "Lucid" (version))
      (defun this-single-command-keys ()
	(setq this-command (not (this-command-keys)))
	(this-command-keys))
    (defun this-single-command-keys () (this-command-keys))))

(if (string-match "Lucid" (version))
    (progn
      (global-set-key [quoted-insert-for-iso-acc] 'quoted-insert)
      (defun iso-generate-char (char)
	"inserts the octal representation of char into unread-command-events,\nand then returns the pseudo-key quoted-insert-for-iso-acc (which should be mapped to quoted-insert).\n\nCan be used in keymaps to generate characters from 128 to 255."
	(setq unread-command-events
	      (append
	       (mapcar 'character-to-event (list
					    (+ 48 (/ char 64))
					    (+ 48 (% (/ char 8) 8))
					    (+ 48 (% char 8))))
	       unread-command-events))
	[quoted-insert-for-iso-acc])
      )
  (defun iso-generate-char (char)
    "Just returns a vector with the given character.\n\nNot necessary in the GNU Emacs implementation"
    (vector char))
  )


(defvar iso-languages
  '(("portuguese"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347) (?\  . ?') (space . ?'))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?a . ?\340) (?\  . ?`) (space . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352)
	 (?o . ?\364) (?\  . ?^) (space . ?^))
     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374) (?\  . ?\") (space . ?\"))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365) (?\  . ?\~) (space . ?\~))
     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
    
    ("irish"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363) (?u . ?\372)
	 (?\  . ?') (space . ?')))
    
    ("french"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?C . ?\307) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?c . ?\347) (?\  . ?') (space . ?'))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350) (?\  . ?`) (space . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373)
	 (?\  . ?^) (space . ?^))
     (?\" (?U . ?\334) (?u . ?\374) (?\  . ?\") (space . ?\"))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?O . ?\325) (?a . ?\343) (?o . ?\365) (?\  . ?\~) (space . ?\~))
     (?, (?c . ?\347) (?C . ?\307)))
    
    ("latin-2"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?C . ?\306) (?D . ?\320) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315)
	 (?L . ?\305) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\323) (?R . ?\300) (?S . ?\246)
	 (?U . ?\332) (?Y . ?\335) (?Z . ?\254) (?a . ?\341) (?c . ?\346)
	 (?d . ?\360) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?l . ?\345) (?n . ?\361)
	 (?o . ?\363) (?r . ?\340) (?s . ?\266) (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375)
	 (?z . ?\274) (?' . ?\264) (?\  . ?') (space . ?'))
     (?` (?A . ?\241) (?C . ?\307) (?E . ?\312) (?L . ?\243) (?S . ?\252)
	 (?T . ?\336) (?Z . ?\257) (?a . ?\261) (?l . ?\263) (?c . ?\347)
	 (?e . ?\352) (?s . ?\272) (?t . ?\376) (?z . ?\277) (?` . ?\252)
	 (?. . ?\377) (?\  . ?`) (space . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?O . ?\324) (?a . ?\342) (?o . ?\364)
	 (?^ . ?^)			; no special code?
	 (?\  . ?^) (space . ?^))
     (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334) (?a . ?\344)
	  (?e . ?\353) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337) (?u . ?\374) (?\" . ?\250)
	  (?\  . ?\") (space . ?\"))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\310) (?D . ?\317) (?L . ?\245) (?N . ?\322)
	  (?O . ?\325) (?R . ?\330) (?S . ?\251) (?T . ?\253) (?U . ?\333)
	  (?Z . ?\256) (?a . ?\323) (?c . ?\350) (?d . ?\357) (?l . ?\265)
	  (?n . ?\362) (?o . ?\365) (?r . ?\370) (?s . ?\271) (?t . ?\273)
	  (?u . ?\373) (?z . ?\276)
	  (?v . ?\242)			; v accent
	  (?\~ . ?\242)			; v accent
	  (?\. . ?\270)			; cedilla accent
	  (?\  . ?\~) (space . ?\~)))

    ("latin-1"
     (?' (?A . ?\301) (?E . ?\311) (?I . ?\315) (?O . ?\323) (?U . ?\332)
	 (?Y . ?\335) (?a . ?\341) (?e . ?\351) (?i . ?\355) (?o . ?\363)
	 (?u . ?\372) (?y . ?\375) (?' . ?\264) (?\  . ?') (space . ?'))
     (?` (?A . ?\300) (?E . ?\310) (?I . ?\314) (?O . ?\322) (?U . ?\331)
	 (?a . ?\340) (?e . ?\350) (?i . ?\354) (?o . ?\362) (?u . ?\371)
	 (?` . ?`) (?\  . ?`) (space . ?`))
     (?^ (?A . ?\302) (?E . ?\312) (?I . ?\316) (?O . ?\324) (?U . ?\333)
	 (?a . ?\342) (?e . ?\352) (?i . ?\356) (?o . ?\364) (?u . ?\373)
	 (?^ . ?^) (?\  . ?^) (space . ?^))
     (?\" (?A . ?\304) (?E . ?\313) (?I . ?\317) (?O . ?\326) (?U . ?\334)
	  (?a . ?\344) (?e . ?\353) (?i . ?\357) (?o . ?\366) (?s . ?\337)
	  (?u . ?\374) (?y . ?\377) (?\" . ?\250) (?\  . ?\") (space . ?\"))
     (?\~ (?A . ?\303) (?C . ?\307) (?D . ?\320) (?N . ?\321) (?O . ?\325)
	  (?T . ?\336) (?a . ?\343) (?c . ?\347) (?d . ?\360) (?n . ?\361)
	  (?o . ?\365) (?t . ?\376) (?> . ?\273) (?< . ?\253) (?\~ . ?\270)
	  (?! . ?\241) (?? . ?\277)
	  (?\  . ?\~) (space . ?\~))
     (?\/ (?A . ?\305) (?E . ?\306) (?O . ?\330) (?a . ?\345) (?e . ?\346)
	  (?o . ?\370) (?\/ . ?\260) (?\  . ?\/) (space . ?\/))))
  "List of language-specific customizations for the ISO Accents mode.

Each element of the list is of the form

    (LANGUAGE
     (PSEUDO-ACCENT MAPPINGS)
     (PSEUDO-ACCENT MAPPINGS)
     ...)

LANGUAGE is a string naming the language.
PSEUDO-ACCENT is a char specifying an accent key.
MAPPINGS are cons cells of the form (CHAR . ISO-CHAR).

The net effect is that the key sequence PSEUDO-ACCENT CHAR is mapped
to ISO-CHAR on input.")

(defvar iso-language nil
  "Language for which ISO Accents mode is currently customized.
Change it with the `iso-accents-customize' function.")

(defvar iso-accents-list nil
  "Association list for ISO accent combinations, for the chosen language.")

(defvar iso-accents-mode nil
  "*Non-nil enables ISO Accents mode.
Setting this variable makes it local to the current buffer.
See the function `iso-accents-mode'.")
(make-variable-buffer-local 'iso-accents-mode)

(defvar iso-accents-enable '(?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,)
  "*List of accent keys that become prefixes in ISO Accents mode.
The default is (?' ?` ?^ ?\" ?~ ?/ ?,), which contains all the supported
accent keys.  If you set this variable to a list in which some of those
characters are missing, the missing ones do not act as accents.

Note that if you specify a language with `iso-accents-customize',
that can also turn off certain prefixes (whichever ones are not needed in
the language you choose).")

(defun iso-accents-accent-key (prompt)
  "Modify the following character by adding an accent to it."
  ;; Pick up the accent character.
  (if (and iso-accents-mode
	   (memq last-input-char iso-accents-enable))
      (iso-accents-compose prompt)
    (char-to-string last-input-char)))

(defun iso-accents-compose (prompt)
  (let* ((first-char last-input-char)
	 (list (assq first-char iso-accents-list))
	 ;; Wait for the second key and look up the combination.
	 (second-char (if (or prompt
			      (not (eq (key-binding "a")
				       'self-insert-command))
			      ;; Not at start of a key sequence.
			      (> (length (this-single-command-keys)) 1)
			      ;; Called from anything but the command loop.
			      this-command)
			  (progn
			    (message "%s%c"
				     (or prompt "Compose with ")
				     first-char)
			    (read-event))
			(insert first-char)
			(prog1 (read-event)
			  (delete-region (1- (point)) (point)))))
	 (entry (cdr (assq second-char list))))
    (if entry
	;; Found it: return the mapped char
	(iso-generate-char entry)
      ;; Otherwise, advance and schedule the second key for execution.
      (setq unread-command-events (list (character-to-event second-char)))
      (vector first-char))))

;; It is a matter of taste if you want the minor mode indicated
;; in the mode line...
;; If so, uncomment the next four lines.
;; (or (assq 'iso-accents-mode minor-mode-alist)
;;     (setq minor-mode-alist
;;	   (append minor-mode-alist
;; 		  '((iso-accents-mode " ISO-Acc")))))

;;;###autoload
(defun iso-accents-mode (&optional arg)
  "Toggle ISO Accents mode, in which accents modify the following letter.
This permits easy insertion of accented characters according to ISO-8859-1.
When Iso-accents mode is enabled, accent character keys
\(`, ', \", ^, / and ~) do not self-insert; instead, they modify the following
letter key so that it inserts an ISO accented letter.

You can customize ISO Accents mode to a particular language
with the command `iso-accents-customize'.

Special combinations: ~c gives a c with cedilla,
~d gives an Icelandic eth (d with dash).
~t gives an Icelandic thorn.
\"s gives German sharp s.
/a gives a with ring.
/e gives an a-e ligature.
~< and ~> give guillemots.
~! gives an inverted exclamation mark.
~? gives an inverted question mark.

With an argument, a positive argument enables ISO Accents mode, 
and a negative argument disables it."

  (interactive "P")

  (if (if arg
	  ;; Negative arg means switch it off.
	  (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0)
	;; No arg means toggle.
	iso-accents-mode)
      (setq iso-accents-mode nil)

    ;; Enable electric accents.
    (setq iso-accents-mode t)))

(defun iso-accents-customize (language)
  "Customize the ISO accents machinery for a particular language.
It selects the customization based on the specifications in the
`iso-languages' variable."
  (interactive (list (completing-read "Language: " iso-languages nil t)))
  (let ((table (assoc language iso-languages)) tail)
    (if (not table)
	(error "Unknown language '%s'" language)
      (setq iso-language language
	    iso-accents-list (cdr table))
      (if key-translation-map
	  (substitute-key-definition
	   'iso-accents-accent-key nil key-translation-map)
	(setq key-translation-map (make-sparse-keymap)))
      ;; Set up translations for all the characters that are used as
      ;; accent prefixes in this language.
      (setq tail iso-accents-list)
      (while tail
	(define-key key-translation-map (vector (car (car tail)))
	  'iso-accents-accent-key)
	(setq tail (cdr tail))))))

(defun iso-accentuate (start end)
  "Convert two-character sequences in region into accented characters.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END.
This uses the same conversion that ISO Accents mode uses for type-in."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (forward-char 1)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (memq (preceding-char) iso-accents-enable)
		   (setq entry (cdr (assq (following-char) (assq (preceding-char) iso-accents-list)))))
	      (progn
		(forward-char -1)
		(delete-char 2)
		(insert entry)
		(setq end (1- end)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

(defun iso-accent-rassoc-unit (value alist)
  (let (elt acc)
    (while (and alist (not elt))
      (setq acc (car (car alist))
	    elt (car (rassq value (cdr (car alist))))
	    alist (cdr alist)))
    (if elt
	(cons acc elt))))

(defun iso-unaccentuate (start end)
  "Convert accented characters in the region into two-character sequences.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END.
This uses the opposite of the conversion done by ISO Accents mode for type-in."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (> (following-char) 127)
		   (setq entry (iso-accent-rassoc-unit (following-char)
						       iso-accents-list)))
	      (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(insert (car entry) (cdr entry))
		(setq end (1+ end)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

(defun iso-deaccentuate (start end)
  "Convert accented characters in the region into unaccented characters.
Noninteractively, this operates on text from START to END."
  (interactive "r")
  (save-excursion
    (save-restriction
      (narrow-to-region start end)
      (goto-char start)
      (let (entry)
	(while (< (point) end)
	  (if (and (> (following-char) 127)
		   (setq entry (iso-accent-rassoc-unit (following-char)
						       iso-accents-list)))
	      (progn
		(delete-char 1)
		(insert (cdr entry)))
	    (forward-char 1)))))))

;; Set up the default settings.
(iso-accents-customize "latin-1")

;; Use Iso-Accents mode in the minibuffer
;; if it was in use in the previous buffer.
(defun iso-acc-minibuf-setup ()
  (setq iso-accents-mode
	(save-excursion
	  (set-buffer (window-buffer minibuffer-scroll-window))
	  iso-accents-mode)))

(add-hook 'minibuf-setup-hook 'iso-acc-minibuf-setup)

;;; iso-acc.el ends here

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Shlomo Mahlab wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> XEmacs seems to have difficulties scroling images. When I get a mime
> message with an image which is larger then the emacs window, I can
> only view the top part of it. Trying to scroll the window down
> results in the comolete disapearence of the image.
> I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on HPUX 9.05.
> Any help?

 How did you get it to display images in the first place?  I tried tm,
and couldn't figure out how.

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I currently set my time zone in my .emacs file like this:

;;;; Get the time zone right
(setenv "TZ" "EST=4")

This works for Daylight Savings Time, but now that we're off of that,
the time on the modeline is wrong (still in DST). To fix it, I changed
my .emacs to look like this:

;;;; Get the time zone right
(setenv "TZ" "EST=5")

Is there a more automatic way of doing this?

TIA,
Steve

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: dired highlight
Date: 28 Oct 1996 22:00:51 +0100
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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I'm lost.

I really like to have dired highlighting, but if I put

(add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)

in my .emacs as suggested in dired-xemacs-highlight.el, no dired
highlighting happens.

However, if I put

(load "dired-xemacs-highlight")

I do get highlighting. What gives?

-- 
rick  

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From: George Zabetakis <george@triteal.com>
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Subject: help: VM and bcc
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:07:52 -0500
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Hello,
	I have looked on the xemacs home page and at the faq, and I
cannot find a resolution to my problem of not being able to use bcc.
It appears in my mail message, but once I send a message
I never get the blind copy of the
message.  I use this feature for filing my outgoing messages.  It works
much better than an outgoing mailbox.  It used to work fine in 19.13.
Any ideas and/or help would be appreciated.

TIA,

-- 
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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com>
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I have a problem with the SparcWorks EOS and xemacs 19.14.
I can fire up the debugger and use all of the toolbar buttons
for the debugger in the xemacs window except for the "p=" and
"p=*" buttons.  They are supposed to pop-up a new frame with
the data displayed but I don't get any new frame.  I an using
the precompiled binary with the EOS stuff compiled in.  Any
suggestions?

Thanks.

-- Kevin

_____________________________________________________________________
Kevin M. Penrose                             Email:  kpenrose@ml.com
Merrill Lynch                                World Financial Center - NT
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From: Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com>
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Subject: Re: Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time
Date: 28 Oct 1996 17:01:54 -0700
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Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:

> ;;;; Get the time zone right
> (setenv "TZ" "EST=5")

> Is there a more automatic way of doing this?

Why don't you set TZ to be EST4DST?

-- 
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From: arouse@momotombo.austin.ibm.com
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Subject: Re: Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time
Date: 28 Oct 1996 18:04:37 -0600
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a reading from the book of Emacs
 Info file: xemacs.info,  Node: Daylight Savings

 
...
   These variables are `calendar-daylight-savings-starts' and
`calendar-daylight-savings-ends'.  Their values should be Lisp
expressions that refer to the variable `year', and evaluate to the
Gregorian date on which daylight savings time starts or (respectively)
ends, in the form of a list `(MONTH DAY YEAR)'.  The values should be
`nil' if your area does not use daylight savings time.

   Emacs uses these expressions to determine the starting date of
daylight savings time for the holiday list and for correcting times of
day in the solar and lunar calculations.

   The values for Cambridge, Massachusetts are as follows:

     (calendar-nth-named-day 1 0 4 year)
     (calendar-nth-named-day -1 0 10 year)

i.e. the first 0th day (Sunday) of the fourth month (April) in the year
specified by `year', and the last Sunday of the tenth month (October)
of that year.  If daylight savings time were changed to start on
October 1, you would set `calendar-daylight-savings-starts' to this:

     (list 10 1 year)
...

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From: lincoln@hutchtel.net (Snoopy & Sailor)
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Check it out
http://free.websight.com/Benton

-- 
:-)

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From: depristo@nwu.edu (Mark Andrew DePristo)
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How do I configure XEmacs to use clisp as the inferior-lisp-program?
(setq inferior-lisp-program "clisp") doesn't work.


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From: Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time
Date: 28 Oct 1996 22:09:26 -0500
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Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com> writes:

> 
> Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:
> 
> > ;;;; Get the time zone right
> > (setenv "TZ" "EST=5")
> 
> > Is there a more automatic way of doing this?
> 
> Why don't you set TZ to be EST4DST?
> 
Why not just let the machine set it's own time and have xemacs read it
off of that?  My machine automatically adjusts itself for daylight
savings time and such and nothing complains.

-- 
        Jon Schewe           http://freenet.msp.mn.us/~schewe
        jpschewe@mtu.edu
        Computer Science Major 
        Michigan Tech University 

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From: Kevin Ford <ksford@darkstar.nps.navy.mil>
Subject: Anonymous remailing with response blocks and pseudonyms
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Hi All-

I've recently been learning about using remailers for anonymous email
and news with XEmacs and Mailcrypt, and most things seem to work for
me just fine, but I've been unsuccessful at making the response blocks
work.  I set myself up to be able to use mixmaster remailers if I want
to, but I understand that one cannot do response blocks through
mixmaster remailers, so I tried Type 1 remailers for that.  I also
tried response blocks through Type 2 remailers since the Mailcrypt
info page explains that the mix property of a remailer will be ignored
if you generate a response block.  Anyway, nothing works for
successfully replying to one of the anonymous mail messages that I
send myself.

Here's what I've tried:

First, I compose a message to myself, say C-c / p to use a pseudonym,
then say C-c / b to add a response block, then say C-c / r to encrypt
for remailing, and send it off.

I get the mail, and there is indeed no evidence that it came from me,
but now I'd like to reply to this anonymous email sender (me) without
knowing who he is, and still getting email to his inbox which is
supposedly contained in the response block.

So, I follow the instructions contained in the message for replying,
but I never get the response.  Can anyone offer me some pointers on
why this is failing to work like I think it should?

Please email in addition to posting any replies.  Thanks!

-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
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__________________

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_______________________
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From: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au
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Subject: Repeat last M-x command ... how?
Date: 29 Oct 96 18:50:03 +1000
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Hi,

Very simple question, but I do not know
howto to do it ... ;)

Ok, say I have a couple of frames, or buffers
for that matter, and I do a query-replace
M-%, in one of the buffers, I'd like to
visit the other frame/buffer and do the same
replace ... what's the shortcut for this?
I looked at repeat-complex-command, but that's
not it.

What's the equivalent of vi's '.' command
to redo the last command made?

TIA,

	Rob -

CC: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au pleaz ;)





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Me wrote:
> 
> while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
> makes my current buffer called *.c
> this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
> emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?
> (running 19.14 on a linux box)
> 
> Jeff

I think that your emacs must have something loaded that
redefines C-x C-f to be something other than find-file.
I suggest you find out what code is bound to that "key" and
load the appropriate file in xemacs.(It is the only editor that I
really love, but from which I am cruelly separated by the lack
of a native NT port -- yes, I tried WinEmacs -- so will someone
please PLEASE do the port?)

--Harlan

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From: Bodo Teichmann <tmn@iis.fhg.de>
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i have realized that xemacs 19.14 is very slow if there is one or
more buffers which contain very long lines (lines which are too long to
fit  the frame) even if this buffer(s) are not visible or active.

examples of those buffers are  compile and  gdb buffers.
 
is there a work around or will this problem be solved in 19.15 ?

bodo

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>>>>> "Kendrick" == Kendrick Vargas <kvarga01@fiu.edu> writes:

    Kendrick> On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Aleksandar Milivojevic wrote:
    >> My apologies for posting this directly to mailing list, but I
    >> have problems with unsubscribing from this mailing list. I
    >> tried to send message to xemacs-request@xemacs.org (as
    >> described in FAQ) with command 'unsubscribe' several times last
    >> two weeks, but I'm still receiving mail from list. All
    >> suggestions or help are welcome.

    Kendrick> that makes two of us. I am not a newbie when it comes to
    Kendrick> lists... and I understand when there is a lack of
    Kendrick> interest in helping newbies unsubscribe, but I have
    Kendrick> tried everything I could think of and the volume of mail
    Kendrick> that goes through this list is too much for me to deal
    Kendrick> with. I do not want to have to resort to spamming with
    Kendrick> 500k attachments until someone looks up to get me
    Kendrick> off. but, if this becomes my only course of action, I'll
    Kendrick> take it.  -peace

I'm not sure but I think Chuck runs this list by hand, and I think he
has been away for 2 weeks. (cos there has been no change to the state
of the 19.15 betas for this time). So I think you'll just have to
wait.

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From: Gary Beckmann <gary@radionics.com>
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I recently upgraded to HP-UX 10.20.  Now, in addition to the periodic
open frame crashes (has anyone compiled the suggested patches into the
HP pre-builts?  I just really don't have the disk space for the
source); I now note that periodically Xemacs falls behind when I'm
typing.  Now I don't have a really fantastic typing rate (I did know
someone who could get ahead of an IBM Selectric, but that's
irrelevant) so what could be happening?  Right now, Xemacs is keeping
up just fine.  Just every now and then everything slows down.  It
could be the OS -- but has anyone else ever seen anything similar?


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I'm using xemacs with LaTeX (AUC TeX) mode. When I start xdvi from the
'view' command, the current xemacs-window is split horizontally, one
of the halfs showing warnings from 'gs' (ghostscript!?) in a so-called
*Tex background* buffer.

How can I avoid this behavior, ie how can the *Tex background* buffer
be suppressed from jumping into the foreground?


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naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Very simple question, but I do not know
> howto to do it ... ;)
> 

What I do is "M-x M-p <ret>". This also allows you to edit the
previous command in the minibuffer. You can also go back several
commands. This, of course, can be bound to a single key if you
want ( that would only work for the last command, not the
third one back ). 

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Hello,

I'd like to use TM (v7.87) with VM to PGP-encrypt/sign a message and
send it with a MIME type of "application/x-pgp-message".

Now the MIME-Edit menu item on the *VM-mail* frame has an function named
"Enclose as encrypted", which sounds about right. However, if I select
a region in the buffer and use this function, I get the message "Please
specify encrypting type".

What does this mean?

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i386-unknown-solaris2.4) of Sat Jun 22 1996 on vivid

Weird bug editing a particular file... (i.e. xemacs crashes only with this
file...)

When I call:
xemacs latex2html
I get a core dump.

here is a truss trace:

mmap(0x00000000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x803FE000
xstat(2, "/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", 0x0804663C) = 0
xstat(2, "/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", 0x080465E0) = 0
mmap(0x00000000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x80400000
getcontext(0x08046870)
xstat(2, "/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", 0x08042028) = 0
xstat(2, "/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", 0x08041EFC) = 0
open("/opt/tex/src/latex2html-96.1/latex2html", O_RDONLY) = 12
lseek(12, 0, SEEK_CUR)                          = 0
brk(0x08510000)                                 = 0
read(12, " # ! / u s r / l o c a l".., 65536)   = 65536
read(12, " e w _ c m d _ r x ,   &".., 65536)   = 65536
    Incurred fault #6, FLTBOUNDS  %pc = 0x69746172
      siginfo: SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR addr=0x69746172
    Received signal #11, SIGSEGV [caught]
      siginfo: SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR addr=0x69746172
sigaction(SIGSEGV, 0x0803DC00, 0x082635C8)      = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, 0x0803DC54, 0x00000000) = 0
ioctl(6, I_SETSIG, IGSEGV)                      = 0
ioctl(6, I_FIND, "sockmod")                     = 0
ioctl(6, FIOSETOWN, 0x0803DBEC)                 Err#22 EINVAL
 
Fatal error (write(2, "\n F a t a l   e r r o r".., 14) = 14
11).write(2, " 1 1 ) .", 4)                             = 4
 
write(2, "\n", 1)                               = 1
Your files have been auto-saved.
Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.
Please report this bug to the address `crashes@xemacs.org'.
If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
directory), and type
 
  gdb write(2, " Y o u r   f i l e s   h".., 475)       = 475
/opt/gnu/bin/write(2, " / o p t / g n u / b i n".., 13) = 13
xemacswrite(2, " x e m a c s", 6)                       = 6
 core
 
then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)
write(2, "   c o r e\n\n t h e n  ".., 241)     = 241
sigaction(SIGPIPE, 0x0803DB78, 0x082635C8)      = 0
sigaction(SIGPIPE, 0x0803DB78, 0x082635C8)      = 0
close(11)                                       = 0
sigaction(SIGPIPE, 0x00000000, 0x0803DAD4)      = 0
write(9, "80\0\0 t ' q  93\0\0\0\0".., 120)     = 120
poll(0x083D1000, 1, 1000000000)                 = 1
getmsg(9, 0x0803D850, 0x0803D844, 0x0803D8C0)   = 0
sigaction(SIGPIPE, 0x00000000, 0x0803DA88)      = 0
write(9, "80\0\0 t & q  93\0\0\0\0".., 120)     = 120
poll(0x083D1000, 1, 1000000000)                 = 1
getmsg(9, 0x0803D804, 0x0803D7F8, 0x0803D874)   = 0
close(10)                                       = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DB00, 0x0803DAF0) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DAF0, 0x0803DAD0) = 0
close(11)                                       Err#9 EBADF
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DB00, 0x0803DAF0) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DAF0, 0x0803DAD0) = 0
write(8, " %\001\0", 4)                         = 4
write(8, " <\002\0\0\0 @05 +\001\0", 12)        = 12
read(8, "0101\v\0\0\0\0\08C\0C003".., 32)       = 32
close(8)                                        = 0
close(9)                                        = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DAAC, 0x0803DA9C) = 0
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x0803DA9C, 0x0803DA7C) = 0
uname(0x0803D6E0)                               = 1
getpid()                                        = 3275 [3274]
kill(3275, SIGSEGV)                             = 0
    Received signal #11, SIGSEGV [default]
      siginfo: SIGSEGV pid=3275 uid=1001
        *** process killed ***
14.32u 10.66s 1:26.05 29.0%



Here is the core stack

gdb /opt/gnu/bin/xemacs core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.15.1 (i386-unknown-solaris2.4), 
Copyright 1995 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)...
 
warning: core file may not match specified executable file.
Core was generated by `xemacs latex2html-96.1/latex2html'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libtt.so.1...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libce.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/dt/lib/libXm.so.3...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXmu.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXt.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libXext.so.0...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/openwin/lib/libX11.so.4...
(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libsocket.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libnsl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libkvm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libelf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libdl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libintl.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libw.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/nss_files.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...
done.
#0  0x803bcff8 in _kill ()
(gdb) where
#0  0x803bcff8 in _kill ()
#1  0x809ba08 in fatal_error_signal ()
#2  <signal handler called>
#3  0x4 in ?? ()
#4  0xffffffff in shadow_ops ()
#5  0x24203d20 in Qoverwrite_mode_binary ()
Cannot access memory at address 0x65736f6c.
(gdb)


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Hi All-

I've recently upgraded from 19.13. to 19.14 and the menubar buttons in
19.14 are plain black & white which is undesirable to me.  When I was
using 19.13, they were nice attractive colors, and I can't seem to
figure out how to make them the same in 19.14.  I have both versions
installed, and 19.13 still has nicely colored menubar buttons, but
19.14 does not so I don't think it's in the app-defaults file.

I tried fiddling with the height of the menubar buttons in the
app-defaults file, and when I made their height about 150% of normal
height (I made the height 60), then I could see that the upper and
lower parts of this larger button were the normal color gray that I'm
used to seeing in 19.13, but that the face of the button alone was the
thing devoid of color.

Also, is there anyway to have the button faces include the text
associated with them?  This was the case with 19.13, but is no longer
in 19.14.

Other slightly strange things like the fact that some of the settings
in the app-defaults file don't seem to do what they say they should.
For example, these attributes don't do anything when I change their
colors:

! This doesn't seem to work.  ksf 10/28/96
! If you want to set the color of the mouse pointer, do this:
! Emacs.pointer*attributeForeground:    RoyalBlue

! This doesn't seem to work.  ksf 10/28/96
! If you want to set the background of the mouse pointer, do this:
! Emacs.pointer*attributeBackground:    Yellow
! Note that by default, the pointer foreground and background are the same
! as the default face.

But this attribute from my 19.13 app-defaults file does work.

! This worked in 19.13, and seems to work in 19.14 too.  ksf 10/28/96
*pointerColor:                          RoyalBlue

So that's what I'm using for now.

Any hints on why the others don't work for me?

Some details on recent changes that might help point to the problem
are that I've upgraded to ELF, and upgraded from XF86-3.1.1 to 3.1.2.

Thanks in advance, and please email in addition to posting.


-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
 Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
____________________________________________
__________________

A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of.
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_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
_____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________


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From: Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time
Date: 29 Oct 1996 10:35:56 -0500
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Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.edu> writes:

> 
> Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:
> > 
> > > Is there a more automatic way of doing this?
> > 
> > Why don't you set TZ to be EST4DST?
> > 
> Why not just let the machine set it's own time and have xemacs read it
> off of that?  My machine automatically adjusts itself for daylight
> savings time and such and nothing complains.

Well, that's the problem. My workstation reports the correct time
(xclock), but XEmacs is still in DST. (EST4DST didn't work either :/ )


I think I found the answer:

;;;; Get the time zone right
(setenv "TZ" "EST")
(load "cal-dst") ;; or maybe (require 'cal-dst) ?

I found cal-dst.el in the lisp/calendar directory. It seems to do what
I want. If you don't hear from me next spring, then it works...;)

Thanks to all who responded,
-- 
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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Subject: Re: Nice new site;  Ignore this thread.   ??? MONEY
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> Check it out
> http://free.websight.com/Benton
> 
> -- 
> :-)

Please do not post this type of stuff in this group.

1. You say nothing about the content of the site.
2. Your subject says nothing about the site contents.
3. The site has nothing to do with xemacs.

This type of post usually results in a rash of flames.  As your post
and site seem to scream newbie I will not flame but rather inform.
(I do not intend to offend with word newbie.)

Please in the future, take the time to think through your posts.
As there are millions of people on the net at any given time. Content
low posts tend to suck bandwidth and waste time.

If any one has a Net guide handy it might be time to post it again to
this group.


P.S.  For the general populace. I put extra stuff in the subject so
that people using smart news readers will auto mark this post.
Hopefully your using Gnus.


Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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Mark Daku (daku@nortel.ca) wrote:
> P.S.  For the general populace. I put extra stuff in the subject so
> that people using smart news readers will auto mark this post.
> Hopefully your using Gnus.

Uh, but it should have been a "MAKE MONEY", or something.
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)

Or, you could have put two or more `!'-s.
  ("!!" -10 nil s)

Or the subject could have been all caps.
  ("^\\(Re: *\\)?[^a-z0-9]*$" -20 nil R)

But like that -- it didn't match.  Isn't Gnus great? ;-)

-- 
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To: Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com>
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Steve Heckman writes:
 > [...]
 > I found cal-dst.el in the lisp/calendar directory. It seems to do what
 > I want. If you don't hear from me next spring, then it works...;)

   you may also consider moving to France, as premier Juppe recently
said he's considering abrogation of daylight saving time ;)

ciao
                                                                gb

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From: Michael Craven <mikeyc@nortel.ca>
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Subject: HELP: Xemacs 19.14 and Ispell
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I've got to say sorry up front because I really don't know alot about
Emacs/LISP yet...

I've managed to successfully install the pre-compiled version of 19.14
on my HP-UX box (v9.05). All seems well but when I try and start
Ispell it get a message that says something to the effect of "ispell
version 3.1.* required: try renaming ispell4.el to ispell.el"

Any ideas? I don't think I did anything odd during the install

Thanx in advance... Mike

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Has anyone got a copy of sql-mode (SYBASE) later than .922 (beta)?
I've tried to reach the author, Peter D. Pezaris, but the mail bounced.
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From: Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi>
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Subject: frame-properties function fails for property 'name
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux


	When I try simple code in this order, the 'name' is not
	reflected in frame name.  Why the call set-frame-property
	creates another 'name' property in to the list? (there is
	already initially "emacs")


(frame-properties (selected-frame))
-->
(name "emacs" height 40 width 80 minibuffer #<window on " *Minibuf-0*" 0x8c7> left 277 top 1 border-width 0 internal-border-width 4 border-color "#000000000000" top-toolbar-shadow-color "#e1e1e1e1e1e1" bottom-toolbar-shadow-color "#5a5a53535757" background-toolbar-color "#bbbbbbbbbbbb" toolbar-shadow-thickness 2 inter-line-space 0 window-id "62914596" window-config-stack [undoable-stack 16 [trunc-stack (#<window-configuration 0xa0a> #<window-configuration 0xa09> #<window-configuration 0x9fe> #<window-configuration 0x9e2> #<window-configuration 0x9e1> #<window-configuration 0x9c9> #<window-configuration 0x961>) 7] [trunc-stack nil 0]])

(set-frame-property
 (selected-frame)
 'name "doodle")
--> nil

(frame-properties (selected-frame))
-->
(name "emacs" height 40 width 80 minibuffer #<window on " *Minibuf-0*" 0x8c7> left 277 top 1 border-width 0 internal-border-width 4 border-color "#000000000000" top-toolbar-shadow-color "#e1e1e1e1e1e1" bottom-toolbar-shadow-color "#5a5a53535757" background-toolbar-color "#bbbbbbbbbbbb" toolbar-shadow-thickness 2 inter-line-space 0 window-id "62914596" name "doodle" window-config-stack [undoable-stack 16 [trunc-stack (#<window-configuration 0xa0a> #<window-configuration 0xa09> #<window-configuration 0x9fe> #<window-configuration 0x9e2> #<window-configuration 0x9e1> #<window-configuration 0x9c9> #<window-configuration 0x961>) 7] [trunc-stack nil 0]])

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> while in xemacs, I C-x C-f *.c
> makes my current buffer called *.c
> this is bad.....I want to load all the c files in that dir,
> emacs lets me do it, but xemacs won't.....any ideas ?

Some versions of my complete.el package do this.  (They understand
"*" as a wildcard during filename completion, then, as a bonus,
load multiple files if there are unresolved "*"s when you hit RET.)

Maybe you have complete.el loaded in one version of Emacs but
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								-- Dave

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Subject: Changing frame name in XE 19.14 ?
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    Hi, [CC if you can too]

    In emacs I change the frame name in following manner:

(modify-frame-parameters
  (selected-frame)
  (list (cons 'name "newFrameName")))

    What is the equivalent in XE? Using the same code does nothing
    in XE. What's the right syntax?

    Cheers!
    /jari

    
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Hi,


Why is it that I have in my VM mail config:

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and this works fine from within VM MAIL ....

but when I send mail or post from GNUS the
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Any ideas greatly appreciated.

TIA,

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Hello all,

	I am currently having the following problem in a 
	Sparc Ultra with GCC 2.7.2.1 and building of x-emacs 19.14.

	solaris 2.5.1

	unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/Work/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2


I'd look in the FAQ if I knew where to look.

TIA

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Donald Ball <balld@calzone.oit.unc.edu> writes:
> I'm having trouble compiling xemacs-19.14 on a Sparc Solaris 2.5.1
> (SparcStation 10 in case you care) using gcc-2.7.2.1.
> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal: 
> relocation error: symbol not found: main: referenced in 
> ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> *** Error code 1

I seem to recall there are two solutions to this problem, though I only
remember one of them.  Build the dynodump directory with CC=cc, and then
the rest will link correctly with gcc.

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Jari Aalto (ssjaaa@uta.fi) wrote:
> (modify-frame-parameters
>   (selected-frame)
>   (list (cons 'name "newFrameName")))
>     What is the equivalent in XE? Using the same code does nothing
>     in XE. What's the right syntax?

Why do you want to change the frame name?  In XEmacs the right way to
do it is through set-frame-property, like
(set-frame-property (selected-frame) 'modeline-shadow-thickness 10)

But the manual states that:
 name		Name of the frame, used for resourcing.  Unchangeable
		after creation.

If you want to change the frame title only, you can do that in a much
simpler fashion by changing frame-title-format.

frame-title-format's value is "%S@jagor: %b"
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Controls the title of the X window corresponding to the selected frame.
This is the same format as `modeline-format' with the exception that
%- is ignored.

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poole@ncifcrf.gov (Phil Poole) searches the Xemacs FAQ.
Youll find it at <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>

Enjoy!

chr

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Our proxy server uses port 83, but the default port is 80. Is there a
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    Allen> Has anyone got a copy of sql-mode (SYBASE)
    Allen> later than .922 (beta)? I've tried to reach the
    Allen> author, Peter D. Pezaris, but the mail bounced.

Here I am.

No, there is no current release past 0.922, and I am aware
of the problems with using it with XEmacs 19.14.  The code
for 0.923 is complete, but just hasn't been released yet.
One of the changes in 0.923 is that the maintainer of the
package has a new email address: pez@dwwc.com.

Thanks,
Pez

P.S. SQL Mode 0.923 will have support for Oracle as well.

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> 
> Jon Schewe <jpschewe@mtu.edu> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@iplenergy.com> writes:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:
> > > 
> > > > Is there a more automatic way of doing this?
> > > 
> > > Why don't you set TZ to be EST4DST?
> > > 
> > Why not just let the machine set it's own time and have xemacs read it
> > off of that?  My machine automatically adjusts itself for daylight
> > savings time and such and nothing complains.
> 
> Well, that's the problem. My workstation reports the correct time
> (xclock), but XEmacs is still in DST. (EST4DST didn't work either :/ )
> 
> 
> I think I found the answer:
> 
> ;;;; Get the time zone right
> (setenv "TZ" "EST")
> (load "cal-dst") ;; or maybe (require 'cal-dst) ?
> 
> I found cal-dst.el in the lisp/calendar directory. It seems to do what
> I want. If you don't hear from me next spring, then it works...;)
> 
> Thanks to all who responded,
>

It's better to include the offset from GMT in the TZ variable (see environ(5)).
E.g. EST5EDT.  Otherwise many executable's will display the time in GMT.

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For the LIFE of me I can't remember how to do this, or what "apropos"
to look under, for the following situation:

   If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
   I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
   do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.

Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)

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> 
> What I do is "M-x M-p <ret>". This also allows you to edit the
> previous command in the minibuffer. You can also go back several
> commands. This, of course, can be bound to a single key if you
> want ( that would only work for the last command, not the
> third one back ). 
> 

You could also consider using Keyboard Macros. Type "C-x (". Whatever
you type after that will be recorded as a macro. The end is signalled
by "C-x )". This macro can be repeated by typing C-x e. This can be
stored and named and used again.


Jayakrishnan B Nair                       Email : jk@gulf.csc.uvic.ca
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In article <374tjda9xy.fsf@salvator.cs.ubc.ca>,
Brian Edmonds  <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
>
>I seem to recall there are two solutions to this problem, though I only
>remember one of them.  Build the dynodump directory with CC=cc, and then
>the rest will link correctly with gcc.
>

Well, if I had the SUNWspro cc, I might could do that, but I don't, so I 
can't. In any case I tested dynodump per the instructions in the dynodump 
readme and it works dandily. Do you recall the other solution? Anyone?

- donald

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    Peter> For the LIFE of me I can't remember how to do
    Peter> this, or what "apropos" to look under, for the
    Peter> following situation:

    Peter>    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the
    Peter> sentence to fix," I know there is a way to mark
    Peter> the beginning, go to the end and then do a
    Peter> keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of
    Peter> each word to Upper.

M-x capitalize-region RET

    Peter> Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much
    Peter> bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)

Hmm.  Have to disagree with you on that one.  Have you
tried filladapt?

-Pez

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On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:30:43 -0500 (EST), Peter Pezaris wrote:

> M-x capitalize-region RET

	OHmigod. I was just in the middle of working the juice out of
	[M-x apropos] for "case" or "downcase" etc.  I did find these:

M-x upcase-initials
  Function: Convert the initial of each word in the argument to upper case.
M-x upcase-initials-region
  Command: Upcase the initial of each word in the region.

	But NOW I NEED to offer you a virtual hug. Thank you SO MUCH!

> Peter> Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much
> Peter> bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)

> Hmm.  Have to disagree with you on that one.  Have you
> tried filladapt?  -Pez

	filladapt.  Hm, is this an EMACS "plugin?"  :) I tried to ytalk
	you, and even verified some things via finger and telnet to your
	port 25 -- Oh well.  Thanks again, Peter-pez-man!!  [snicker]

	PS - Did you see my header? I couldn't get an emailed CC of my
	     "tin" posting by adding lines like X-CC-To: etc. Any notes?

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I've got a couple of fairly simple questions that I can't figure out.
I know the first two have been answered before, but I can't seem to
remember where I put the answers.  First how does one change the name of
a shell buffer?  Also how does one stop the shell from echoing the
command that I just typed on the command line.

Now for the question that I haven't seen answered and I would really
like to know how to do.  I program in C/C++ and I really like the way
that xemacs can automatically tab in lines for me.  Only problem is I
don't know how to set it to fit my coding style.  I want the code to be
indented like so:
for(i=0; i<10; i++)
{
	stuff here;
}

instead of
for(i=0; i<10; i++) {
	stuff here;
}

I'm using the package that comes with xemacs-19.14 with all the defaults
set.  Can someone please let me know how to change this?  Thanks much.
-- 
        Jon Schewe           http://freenet.msp.mn.us/~schewe
        jpschewe@mtu.edu
        Computer Science Major 
        Michigan Tech University 

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From: noemail@aol.com (M Blank)
Subject: IIIIIIIIII  $80  IIIIIIIIII    MS OFFICE PROFESSIONAL 95    IIIIIIIIII  $80  IIIIIIIIII
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Due to personal financial hardships I find myself
in the unenviable position of trying to get back a
fraction of what I paid for this program.

My retailer refuses returns on 'opened' software,
even if I haven't installed the package. Microsoft
couldn't care less about my situation, and
numerous pleas for an exception to their return
policy have fallen on deaf ears.

Believe it or not, I need this money more than any
program, and I thought someone could at least
benefit from this awkward situation.
 
To clarify, this is a store-bought full retail package
which contains 2 cd's (unopened), a license agreement
and manual, and includes the full versions of WORD and
EXCEL (versions 7.0) POWERPOINT, SCHEDULE,
ACCESS and BOOKSHELF. This is a stand alone
product and not an upgrade (you don't need older
versions to run it).

It was my intention to put these programs on a shelf
somewhere until I needed them, but I do not have
that luxury. My resources are extremely limited and
I am at the point where this is the only responsible
thing to do. I'm just hoping there is someone out there
who can use these programs.

Please contact me if you or someone you know
might be interested. I do not have my own email
address yet, however you can write to me at:

M. Blank
Box 54
Toronto, Ontario
M5A 1N1

Thank you and God Bless.


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From: "Brent B. Powers Swaps Programmer x2293" <powers@ml.com>
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Subject: Re: HELP: convert first Letters Upper
Date: 30 Oct 1996 00:26:01 -0500
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pete@cloud9.net (Peter Leftwich) writes:

> For the LIFE of me I can't remember how to do this, or what "apropos"
> to look under, for the following situation:
> 
>    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
>    I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
>    do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.


> 
> Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)
> 

apropos on upcase gives :

upcase-initials-region
  Command: Upcase the initial of each word in the region.

-- 
Brent B. Powers               Merrill Lynch              powers@ml.com

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Jon Schewe (jpschewe@mtu.edu) wrote:
> don't know how to set it to fit my coding style.  I want the code to be
> indented like so:
> for(i=0; i<10; i++)
> {
> 	stuff here;
> }
> 
> instead of
> for(i=0; i<10; i++) {
> 	stuff here;
> }

Press RET before inserting the opening brace. :)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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>>>>> "Donald" == Donald Ball <balld@calzone.oit.unc.edu> writes:
    Donald> In article <374tjda9xy.fsf@salvator.cs.ubc.ca>, Brian
    Donald> Edmonds <bedmonds@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
    >>  I seem to recall there are two solutions to this problem,
    >> though I only remember one of them.  Build the dynodump
    >> directory with CC=cc, and then the rest will link correctly
    >> with gcc.
    >> 
    Donald>  Well, if I had the SUNWspro cc, I might could do that,
    Donald> but I don't, so I can't. In any case I tested dynodump per
    Donald> the instructions in the dynodump readme and it works
    Donald> dandily. Do you recall the other solution? Anyone?

Use the Sun linker, not the GNU one.

% mv `which ld` `which ld`.gnu


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From: DHunter@atl.co.uk (Donald Hunter)
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Subject: Re: frame-properties function fails for property 'name

> When I try simple code in this order, the 'name' is not
> reflected in frame name.  Why the call set-frame-property
> creates another 'name' property in to the list? (there is
> already initially "emacs")


>From the online documentation for set-frame-properties:

 The following symbols etc. have predefined meanings:

  name  Name of the frame, used for resourcing.  Unchangeable
   after creation.

You will need to set the name property when you create the frame.  You
might be able to do this by modifying the 'default-frame-plist' or
'initial-frame-plist' variables.

--
Donald Hunter.

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|Wed 30.10.96, DHunter@atl.co.uk (Donald Hunter)
| > When I try simple code in this order, the 'name' is not
| > reflected in frame name.  Why the call set-frame-property
| > creates another 'name' property in to the list? (there is
| > already initially "emacs")
| 
|   name  Name of the frame, used for resourcing.  Unchangeable
|    after creation.

I was aware of this.

| 
| You will need to set the name property when you create the frame.  You
| might be able to do this by modifying the 'default-frame-plist' or
| 'initial-frame-plist' variables.

Actually the bug report concerned the fact that there were 2 'name
properties in the list after the code. This shouldn't be possible 
if the 'name is unchangeable.

Is there reason why it is unchangeable, In Emacs you can change the
'name, which is now 'title in newer versions.

/jari

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: gnuclient & new frames
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:07:19 -0800
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Jerome Kalifa wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to disable gnuserv from opening a new frame when using
> gnuclient (for example when clicking on a file via tkdesk).

>From my .emacs (one more thanks to the forgotten programer):

;;;; start the gnuserv
(require 'gnuserv)
;;; Files from edit server will be opened in the selected frame.
;;; If this frame is deleted we will select another frame to use.

;; Selects another frame for the edit server to use if the frame
actually
;; used is deleted.
(add-hook 'delete-frame-hook
          '(lambda (frame) (if (eq frame gnuserv-frame)
                          (setq gnuserv-frame (next-frame frame nil)))))

;; Makes the selected frame respond to edit server requests.
(add-hook 'select-frame-hook
          '(lambda () (setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))))

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))
;;; start edit server
(gnuserv-start)

This works fine, but it may not change the focus to your XEmacs-session
(but thats then a problem of your X11 progs...)

HTH,
Thomas
-- 
Thomas Feuster                      Institut fuer theoretische Physik
feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de   Justus Liebig Universitaet Giessen
Phone: +49 641 702-2832             Heinrich-Buff-Ring 16
Fax  : +49 641 702-2868             35392 Giessen, Germany
http://theorie.physik.uni-giessen.de/~feuster

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: X-Face (an alternative to the FAQ suggestion)

In the latest, greatest FAQ, we are told to do as follows

> (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
>   (save-excursion
>     (goto-char (point-min))
>     (search-forward mail-header-separator)
>     (beginning-of-line nil)
>     (insert "X-Face:")
>     (insert-file "~/.face")))
> 
> (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

but i felt that the X-Face header cluttered too much my mail
composition window, so that i put 'mail-insert-x-face in a different,
apparently more convenient hook:

(add-hook 'mail-send-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

it worked correctly, my round face was nicely inserted

after a while, i realized that the FAQ's hook was a more sensible
choice, as it could be inapproriate to display my round face in a
message (e.g., those epistulary acquaintances, that you drived to
think you're one kind with vittorio gasmann), and i had the option of
manually removing the header ...

my next move, redefining mail-insert-x-face!

(defun mail-insert-x-face ()
  (cond ((y-or-n-p "Insert X-Face? ")
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))))

(add-hook 'mail-send-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

now it works nicely, asking politely if i want to insert my round face
just before sending the message

i cannot see other implications of the hook switch, but i'd like to
hear your opinion

hth,
                                                                gb


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From: Chinmoy Das <chinmoy@tcom177.india.hp.com>
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Subject: not finding XOOBR
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:13:58 +0530
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i have obtained a precompiled xemacs on HP-UX 9.x
environment. After starting oo browser whenever i want 
to view the hierarchy graphically it says 

File or Directory not found : xoobr.

what should be done to get the graphical views.

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Subject: UNABLE to start XOOBR
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Hi,
i am having a severe problem regarding which i am not getting help in
any place.

I have installed precompiled xemacs on HP-UX 9.x version.
I can successfully start OOBR. 
whenever i want to have graphical views of the class hierarchy
it says "FILE or directory not found : xoobr"
please help me out ASAP as i am using this in my project.

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From: Robert Tommaselli <robert@ska.com>
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Subject: Big in c++-mode locks up xemacs19.14
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Hey Now,
  I have a developer here who found what I think is a bug in the 
c++-mode of xemacs 19.13 and 19.14. I am using the FSFxemacs 
on Solaris 5.5.1. 

 Here is a snippit of email he sent me that demonstrates
the problem. If anyone knows how to fix or prevent this let me 
know.

**********************************************

here's how to reproduce the emacs bug.

# xemacs try.cc
type the following in the buffer:

while(a().b()
{
}

then

while(a().b())
{<TAB>
}

*********************************************

Now that you have locked up your xemacs sesson, you can 
unlock it by sending a kill -INT, and maybe a kill -CONT.
When I did a truss on the process it seems to be in an 
infinite loop trying to do a "getcontext()" system call.


Thanks in adavance,

Robert.
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From: papier@u-strasbg.fr (Laurent Papier)
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Subject: [Q] How to disable dialog-box
Date: 30 Oct 1996 15:41:48 GMT
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I don't like the new dialog-box in xemacs-19.14.
How can I disable this feature, and switch back to xemacs-19.13 file
selection in mini-buffer ?

Thanks.
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From: Chung Jae-youn <crisp@hugsvr.kaist.ac.kr>
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Subject: imenu mode for xemacs..
Date: 31 Oct 1996 00:16:40 +0900
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I can't fit imenu-mode for xemacs.
I want my imenu to work with popup menu..
How can I ..?
or, can I get a version of imen which supports pop up menu for xemacs??
thanx in advance..


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From: Kevin Ivory <kivory2@osf1.mpae.gwdg.de>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,alt.religion.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs,alt.lucid-emacs.help
Subject: Re: HELP: convert first Letters Upper
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:13:21 +0100
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Peter Leftwich wrote:

> For the LIFE of me I can't remember how to do this, or what "apropos"
> to look under, for the following situation:
> 
>    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
>    I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
>    do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.

The apropos to look under is capital:
  you get capitilize-region and capitilize-word (M-c)

Ciao
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From: George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com>
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Subject: c-mode indentation
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 10:49:17 -0500
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Hi,

Yet another c-mode indentation question.  I searched all of the
documentation I could find that came with xemacs, the c-mode.el, the
xemacs web page documentation, and Alta-Vista usenet group search but
could not find an answer that worked for me.  PLEASE HELP if you can.

I would like my c/c++ code to look like this:

if (condition)
    {
    do stuff;
    }

All of my attempts to set the c-offset-list values have failed to
produce this style.  I either get:

if (condition)
    {
        do stuff;
    }

or...


if (condition)
{
    do stuff;
}

All of the references I have found point me towards c-brace-offset, but
according to my release of xemacs, that is an obsolete variable.  I
tried setting it to "4" "0" and "-4" anyway and it did not have any
effect on my indentation.

I am using xemacs 19.14 on SGI IRIX 5.3.

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To: papier@u-strasbg.fr (Laurent Papier)
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: [Q] How to disable dialog-box
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Laurent Papier writes:
 > I don't like the new dialog-box in xemacs-19.14.
 > How can I disable this feature, and switch back to xemacs-19.13 file
 > selection in mini-buffer ?
 > 

Yes, I find this to slow to use (or maybe I'm just used to the
mini-buffer interaction).  Someone posted this a while ago - taken
from my .emacs:

              ;; Prevent use of dialog boxes
              (defun should-use-dialog-box-p () nil)

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Request for psgml-mode (xemacs) help
Date: 28 Oct 1996 11:04:17 +0000
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* Steinar Bang wrote:
>>>>>> Tim Bradshaw <tfb@aiai.ed.ac.uk>:

>> otherwise the behaviour of psgml itself seems very similar: the mafor
>> difference is the presence of psgml-html.el which defines html mode as
>> derived from sgml mode + template stuff.

> Is that very different from the approach outlined in
> 	<URL:http://info.webcrawler.com/mak/projects/sgml-lib/html-sgml.html>

It has font-lock keywords for html which nearly work, and some support
for inserting templates of documents and updating timestamps, but
other than that it's basically the same, except you don't need to do
the setup (I think, I actually use Yet Another Home-Brewed One which
predates it...)

--tim

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George Menyhert writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Yet another c-mode indentation question.  I searched all of the
 > documentation I could find that came with xemacs, the c-mode.el, the
 > xemacs web page documentation, and Alta-Vista usenet group search but
 > could not find an answer that worked for me.  PLEASE HELP if you can.
 > 
 > I would like my c/c++ code to look like this:
 > 
                <snipped>

Well my style doesn't match yours, so this may not be a helpful answer
- however, in setting up my style (culled from other postings /
examples / experimentation) I found that typing Ctrl-C Ctrl-S at the
beginning of a line immensely useful - it tells you what variables are
being used to indent that line.

I set up my style as follows:

;;; GeoQuest RT / MAT C++
;; Define GeoQuest RT C/C++ coding style
;; (Look at variable c-offset-alist to see current settings)
;; (Do ^C^S on line to display those used to determine indentation of line)
(defconst my-c-style
  '(
    ;; Essentially ripped from Ellemtel style
    ;; Changes:
    ;; statement-case-intro
    ;; Additions:
    ;; friend
    (c-basic-offset . 3)
    (c-comment-only-line-offset . 0)
    (c-hanging-braces-alist (substatement-open before after)
                            (inline-open nil)
                            (inline-close after))
    (c-offsets-alist (block-open . -)
                     (topmost-intro . 0) 
                     (topmost-intro-cont . 0) 
                     (substatement . +)
                     (substatement-open . 0)
                     (statement-case-intro . +)
                     (case-label . +)
                     (access-label . -)
                     (inclass . ++)
                     (friend . -)
                     (inline-open . 0))
    )
  "GeoQuest RT C++ coding layout")

;; ...use GeoQuest style, and others, in my standard
(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (c-add-style "GEOQUEST" my-c-style t)
  (c-toggle-auto-hungry-state 1)
  (define-key c-mode-map "\C-m" 'newline-and-indent)
  (setq c-tab-always-indent nil)
  (setq comment-column 50)
)
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

Hope this helps!

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In article <JK.96Oct29154952@dowager.csc.UVic.CA>, jk@csc.UVic.CA (Jayakrishnan Nair) writes:
> 
> > 
> > What I do is "M-x M-p <ret>". This also allows you to edit the
> > previous command in the minibuffer. You can also go back several
> > commands. This, of course, can be bound to a single key if you
> > want ( that would only work for the last command, not the
> > third one back ). 
> > 
> 
> You could also consider using Keyboard Macros. Type "C-x (". Whatever
> you type after that will be recorded as a macro. The end is signalled
> by "C-x )". This macro can be repeated by typing C-x e. This can be
> stored and named and used again.

The following code I modified from somewhere places the history list on
the menu. You can select any recently used M-x command with a mouse
selection!

;; **********************************************************************
;; *
;; * Add a command history entry to the menu bar
;; *
;; **********************************************************************

(defun create-history-menu ()
  (if (equal command-history nil)
      (add-submenu '()
		'("History"
		  ["No command history" (message "No command history") t]))
    (add-submenu '()
		 (append '("History")
		   (mapcar
		    (lambda (x)
		      (let ((v (make-vector 3 't)))
			(aset v 0 (prin1-to-string x))
			(aset v 1 x)
			v))
		    command-history)))))

(add-hook 'activate-menubar-hook 'create-history-menu)

(add-submenu '()
	  '("History" ["No command history" (message "No command history") t]))
(set-menubar-dirty-flag)

					         -- tonyf@ims.com
					           (503) 626-5433

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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:56:11 -0600
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Mike Bresnahan wrote:
> We are experiencing odd intermitent lag when writing to files.  I do not
> think this lag can be completely contributed to the OS.  You may be
> experiencing the same thing.  You're slow downs may be triggered by the
> auto-save feature.  Periodically, XEmacs auto-saves updated files.  We
> experience that sometimes these auto-saves take a lot longer than they
> should.
> 
> I have not heard of anyone else experiencing these problems nor of a
> fix.

I forgot to mention that we are using HP-UX 9.04.

MikeB

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Anyone know of a way (or have a package) that will allow you
to select text in emacs via the shift-arrow keys (instead
of the default C-space).  

Basically, I would like it to go into mark text mode upon
pressing any of the shift-arrow keys if not already in that
mode, and then just continue moving the mark on subsequent
shift-arrow key presses.

Thanks,

Chris


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From: mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan)
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Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
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Gary Beckmann wrote:
> 
> I recently upgraded to HP-UX 10.20.  Now, in addition to the periodic
> open frame crashes (has anyone compiled the suggested patches into the
> HP pre-builts?  I just really don't have the disk space for the
> source); I now note that periodically Xemacs falls behind when I'm
> typing.  Now I don't have a really fantastic typing rate (I did know
> someone who could get ahead of an IBM Selectric, but that's
> irrelevant) so what could be happening?  Right now, Xemacs is keeping
> up just fine.  Just every now and then everything slows down.  It
> could be the OS -- but has anyone else ever seen anything similar?

We are experiencing odd intermitent lag when writing to files.  I do not
think this lag can be completely contributed to the OS.  You may be
experiencing the same thing.  You're slow downs may be triggered by the
auto-save feature.  Periodically, XEmacs auto-saves updated files.  We
experience that sometimes these auto-saves take a lot longer than they
should.

I have not heard of anyone else experiencing these problems nor of a
fix.

MikeB

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>>>>> "RT" == Robert Tommaselli <robert@ska.com> writes:

    RT> Hey Now, I have a developer here who found what I think is a
    RT> bug in the c++-mode of xemacs 19.13 and 19.14.

A known bug that's been fixed in later versions of cc-mode.el.  Please
upgrade to version 4.322 which is available from

    <http://www.python.org/pub/emacs/>

-Barry

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BTW this doesn't work for iso-latin charcters: why?

        (set-standard-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)
doesn't do anything

I only have a partially working solution:

   (add-hook 'find-file-hooks (lambda () (set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)))

Tell me why!
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;; enable the shift-arrow keys to mark regions of text
(pc-selection-mode)

Chris Pratico writes:
 > 
 > Anyone know of a way (or have a package) that will allow you
 > to select text in emacs via the shift-arrow keys (instead
 > of the default C-space).  
 > 
 > Basically, I would like it to go into mark text mode upon
 > pressing any of the shift-arrow keys if not already in that
 > mode, and then just continue moving the mark on subsequent
 > shift-arrow key presses.
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > 
 > Chris

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I thought I saw a post sometime back where VM would work seamlessly
with compressed mail files.  I have been able to gzip the files and
use them as filename.gz in VM.  Is it possible to get VM to read the
files as compressed without the .gz extension?  I have saw nothing in
the docs about this.

thanks,

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Hi there,

I want to do the following thing in XEmacs-19.14:

load and execute a file into XEmacs, even if one is already running

I can start a new XEmacs and use '-load xxx' without a problem, but
is there any way to do the same thing if I use gnuserv/gnuclient to
attach to a running instance? '-load xxx' didn't work (XEmacs tried to
load a file named '-load xxx') :-(

TIA for any hints,
Thomas
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>>>>> "GM" == George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

    GM> Yet another c-mode indentation question.  I searched all of
    GM> the documentation I could find that came with xemacs, the
    GM> c-mode.el, the xemacs web page documentation, and Alta-Vista
    GM> usenet group search but could not find an answer that worked
    GM> for me.  PLEASE HELP if you can.

Maybe you missed the cc-mode info node that goes into this in great
detail?   Try `C-h i cc-mode RET'

    GM> I would like my c/c++ code to look like this:

    GM> if (condition)
    GM>     {
    GM>     do stuff;
    GM>     }

Try the following interactively:

Go to the line with the open brace and type C-c C-o.  You'll be
prompted for a `syntactic symbol' to change.  Hit RET to go with the
default (substatement-open).  Now enter + (i.e. 1 x c-basic-offset) to
change the indentation from zero.

Now go to the next line and hit C-c C-o again.  You'll be prompted to
change the statement-block-intro indentation, which is what you want,
so hit RET.  Now enter 0 to change the indentation from +.

To re-indent the function you are currently editing and see the
results of your changes, hit C-c C-q.

If you want to learn how to make these changes more permanent, please
read the cc-mode manual described above.

-Barry

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Hello All, 

I was wondering if there was a fix for an ftp connection problem I'm having that Xemacs configuration 
could help with. 

The ftp program on our webserver ( Netware based) is fairly dumb and  I am unable to connect with ftp 
clients as seamlessly as I can with my remote Unix directories.  I'm reduced to using ftp to transfer files 
instead of direct editing of the remote filesystem.  
Ange-ftp suffers the same fate: when I attempt to connect to my 
directory on the webserver from Xemacs,  the remote ftp groans and says the following:

        550 -al /sys/home/faculty/academic/gtodd/.: No such file or directory.
        ftp> ls "-al /sys/home/faculty/academic/." /tmp/ange-ftpa03416
        200 PORT command okay.

Which suggests that ange-ftp is issuing an 'ls -al' command on connecting that the server doesn't 
understand (it doesn't - it  accepts  'dir' or 'ls' and nothing else).  After the above message I'm left at an 
ftp> prompt in a xemacs `terminal-shell'. The ftp connection works but I'd rather use ange-ftps's invisible
'virtual filesystem' if possible.  I don't want to configure samba or some other kind of connection 
and nfs mounting is not possible.

Is there a set of ange-ftp variables I could set so that on connecting to this  server only, ange-ftp would use 
"ls" instead of  "ls-al".   I've skimmed the list of ange-ftp variales and read as many FAQ's and info pages 
as I could find and nothing is too obvious regarding this kind of configuration.

Just wondering.

Thanks,  

Graham Todd
York University
Toronto, Ontario
gtodd@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/faculty/academic/gtodd/linux/


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Thomas Feuster (feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de) wrote:
> I can start a new XEmacs and use '-load xxx' without a problem, but
> is there any way to do the same thing if I use gnuserv/gnuclient to
> attach to a running instance? '-load xxx' didn't work (XEmacs tried to
> load a file named '-load xxx') :-(

First, start the server withing your running XEmacs, with
`M-x gnuserv-start'.  Then you can use gnudoit to evaluate any Lisp
expression, e.g.

$ gnudoit '(load "anyfile.el")'

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From: Lei Zhou <lzhou@spd.dsccc.com>
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Subject: xemacs-19.14 bug in C++ mode
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When I try to open a C++ file with comments of style /*~~~ ... ~~~*/ as
shown below

	/*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
		test
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*/
	main()
	{
	}

Xemacs-19.14 then hangs. The sample code is opened ok with Xemacs-19.13.

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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
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 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
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 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
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     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
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     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
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     5671 CN Nuenen
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 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
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    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
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over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>  I use the following in .emacs:
>  (if (and running-xemacs
>          (console-on-window-system-p))
>     (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
>               #'(lambda ()
>                   (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
>                   (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring
>                   "DarkGoldenrod") (set-face-foreground
>                   'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
>               t))
> (setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t) (require 'dired)

This generates a "Symbol's function definition is void:
dired-make-permissions-interactive" error in XEmacs 19.14, Dired
Revision 6.0.

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naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au writes:
> 
> What's the equivalent of vi's '.' command
> to redo the last command made?

dot-mode.el.

You can search for it at http://www.cs.indiana.edu:800/LCD/cover.html

-- 

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Chinmoy Das wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> i am having a severe problem regarding which i am not getting help in
> any place.
> 
> I have installed precompiled xemacs on HP-UX 9.x version.
> I can successfully start OOBR.
> whenever i want to have graphical views of the class hierarchy
> it says "FILE or directory not found : xoobr"
> please help me out ASAP as i am using this in my project.

The pre-compiled versions don't come with xoobr compiled (a pain in the
butt).  If you look where your xemacs is installed (/usr/local ?) then
you can find the source in:

  lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/oobr/tree-x

If you've got a C compiler, then you should just have to type 'make' in
that directory and then copy xoobr into somewhere in your path.

Good luck

/\/\ike

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Donald Ball <balld@calzone.oit.unc.edu> writes:
> Do you recall the other solution? Anyone?

Checking with DejaNews, back on the 3rd of October, Carl Michael Skoog
<cms@abalon.se> suggested that linking dynodump.so with -shared rather
than -G will also solve the problem.  I haven't tried that one myself.

-- 
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Is there a command to go to the declaration of variable at point (in
c-mode)?  Vim has something like that when `g d' is pressed, and I
think it shouldn't be too hard to implement in Emacs.

I haven't found such a command in cc-mode documentation, but I would
like to see if someone has done it before, before I try hacking at it
myself.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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In article <ywtg22x6eat.fsf@starless.mv.lucent.com>, Steve Heckman
<sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> wrote:

> naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Very simple question, but I do not know
> > howto to do it ... ;)
> > 
> 
> What I do is "M-x M-p <ret>". This also allows you to edit the
> previous command in the minibuffer. You can also go back several
> commands. This, of course, can be bound to a single key if you
> want ( that would only work for the last command, not the
> third one back ). 
> 
Or use C-x ESC ESC which gives you the command and its arguments

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Hrvoje Niksic writes:

Hrv> David Masterson (davidm@prism.kla.com) wrote:

>> What was the macro?  BBDB 1.51 and XEmacs 19.11 may not get along.
>> XEmacs is three releases old, so you should look to upgrade to
>> 19.14.

Hrv> GNUS 4.1.3 is also *many* releases older than the current 5.2.40.

I'm in no position to make demands for the wholesale upgrade of the
1st year CS environment so I can use a non-supported newsreader with a
non-supported address book. However, there is actually an XEmacs 19.14
installed on the system which works fine, it's just that it is not the
default for 1st year CS (it seems nobody has got round to upgrading
the font resources to prevent loads of complaints from XEmacs every
time something is fontified).

Thanks to all who responded.

-- 
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I'm having problems installing the Xemacs 19.14 binaries on an HP-UX
system.  When I try to start xemacs, the dynamic library loader fails to
find libAlib (as it should, since we don't have libAlib on the system).

$ xemacs
/usr/lib/dld.sl: Can't open shared library: /opt/audio/lib/libAlib.1
/usr/lib/dld.sl: No such file or directory
Abort(coredump)

Is libAlib a prerequisite for running the Xemacs 19.14 binaries?  If
not, then how can I stop the loader from looking for the library and
aborting?  If I do need to have libAlib, is it a part of HP's
distribution, or is it available from some other site?

Thanks,

Tom O'Rourke

p.s.  Some additional system information:

xemacs-19.14-hppa1.1-hp-hpux10.01.tar.gz

$ uname -a
HP-UX hpk100 B.10.01 A 9000/809

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> I'm lost.
Rick> I really like to have dired highlighting, but if I put

> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)

It is a bit better not to quote lambda expressions, or to declare them
as functions with (function ... ) or #'( ... ) wrappers.

Rick> in my .emacs as suggested in dired-xemacs-highlight.el, no dired
Rick> highlighting happens.

Rick> However, if I put

Rick> (load "dired-xemacs-highlight")

Rick> I do get highlighting. What gives?

The dired-load-hook is run when dired is loaded, *not* when dired mode
is invoked.  I would guess you're setting dired-load-hook after you
are loading dired.  My .emacs looks like:

(if (and running-xemacs
         (console-on-window-system-p))
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              #'(lambda ()
                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
              t))
(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
(require 'dired)


Note the order of the settings.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Hi,

IMHO file-relative-name has an error.  Consider the following example:
(file-relative-name "/usr/local/share/tm"
   "/usr/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/")
results in "share/tm", which is wrong.  The right result (from
emacs-19.33) is "../../../share/tm".

Jens Krinke
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 Jens Krinke                                        j.krinke@tu-bs.de 
 +49 531 391 7583                      http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/~krinke

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Subject: customizing menubars
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On:
{XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Wed Jul 10 1996 on
ector.cs.purdue.edu}

Hello,

I wanted to customize the big-menubar to add a "toggle of
rectangle mousing" to the Rectangles section. 

I tried, copying big-menubar.el to my local elisp directory as
"mymenubar.el" and edited the Rectangles section by adding a
line. However I don't understand the format and just tried this: 

("Rectangles"
 ["Toggle Rectangle Mousing"    toggle-rectangle-mousing        t] ;; I added
 ["Kill Rectangle"		kill-rectangle			t]
 ["Yank Rectangle"		yank-rectangle			t]
 ["Rectangle to Register"	copy-rectangle-to-register	t]
 ["Rectangle from Register"	insert-register			t]
)

I defined toggle-rectangle-mousing like this:

(defun toggle-rectangle-mousing () (interactive)
  (if mouse-track-rectangle-p
      (progn
	(message "Set Rectangular Mousing to FALSE")
	(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p nil))
    (progn
      (message "Set Rectangular Mousing to TRUE")
      (setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t))))

Binding this to a key (I use f11) works fine, but when I tried
loading the file "mymenubar" I drew a blank. During one of my
attempts I got a "Toggle Rectangle Mousing" in the menubar, but
it was greyed and I couldn't activate it. 

1. What is the meaning of the third column in the menubar data
   structure ? 

2. Is there a clearer way to modify the menubar ? I read the FAQ
   and it suggests modifying the copy of big-menubar in the local
   installation

Thanks in Advance 

-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:
> (add-hook 'dired-load-hook '(lambda () (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)
> 
> in my .emacs as suggested in dired-xemacs-highlight.el, no dired
> highlighting happens.
> 
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> 
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Do you {im,ex}plicitly load dired before installing the hook? This
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moving a couple of instructions around and after removing superfluous
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dired highlighting in TTY mode, though.


Markus

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Apologies for responding to my own post. I just realized 
that bigmenubar was setting a defconst variable, and I shouldn't
be doing a M-x load-file to load it. I put it in my .emacs, quit
and restarted. It works fine now, with the 
"toggle-rectangle-mousing" menu option that i wanted.

-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.4) of Wed Jul 10 1996 on
ector.cs.purdue.edu

Hello, 

While visiting the file 
/p/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs-19.14/lisp/packages/fontl-hooks.el

I got a  "max-lisp-eval-depth" error. The real problem though is
that I now can't scroll-down any buffer. I get the same message 
"Lisp nesting exceeds `max-lisp-eval-depth'" in buffers that are
not even in Emacs-Lisp mode.

-Sailesh

(Here is the stuff produced by the original error)

=================================================================
Signalling: (error "Lisp nesting exceeds `max-lisp-eval-depth'")
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
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)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
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)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
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)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
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  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up(nil)
  (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n))
)
  (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)) (end-of-buffer (goto-char ...)))
)
  (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil (setq ad-return-value ...) (end-of-buffer ...)) (setq ad-return-value (ad-Orig-scroll-up-around-scroll-up n)))
)
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t)) (if (interactive-p) (condition-case nil ... ...) (setq ad-return-value ...)))
)
  (let (ad-return-value) (let (...) (if ... ... ...)) ad-return-value)
)
  scroll-up(nil)
  call-interactively(scroll-up)

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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: shell
Reply-to: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au

Hi,

When I do:

M-x shell

and then do a directory listing I get this:

[9][ root@dca2: /usr/
# ls
[01;36mX11[00m@             [01;36mdoc[00m@             [01;34minfo[00m/            [01;34msbin[00m/
[01;34mX11R6[00m/           [01;34metc[00m/             [01;34mlib[00m/             [01;34mshare[00m/
[01;36mX386[00m@            [01;34mgames[00m/           [01;34mlocal[00m/           [01;36mspool[00m@
[01;36madm[00m@             [01;34mi486-linux[00m/      [01;34mlost+found[00m/      [01;34msrc[00m/
[01;34mbin[00m/             [01;34mi486-linuxaout[00m/  [01;34mman[00m/             [01;34mtclX[00m/
[01;34mdict[00m/            [01;34mi486-sysv4[00m/      [01;34mopenwin[00m/         [01;34mtkX[00m/
[01;34mdll[00m/             [01;34minclude[00m/         [01;36mpreserve[00m@        [01;36mtmp[00m@
[10][ root@dca2: /usr/
# 


Any ideas greatly appreciated.

TIA,

	Rob -

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: mbresnahan1@mmm.com, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
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Mike Bresnahan writes:
 > 
 > We are experiencing odd intermitent lag when writing to files.
 > [...].  We experience [that] auto-saves take a lot longer than they
 > should.
 > 
 > I have not heard of anyone else experiencing these problems

   here i am! hp-ux 9.05 and 10.10, with either a NFS mounted disk or
   a local one --- but my attitude was to accept the delays as facts
   of life

 > nor of a fix.

   uh, no :-(

                                                                gb

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>>>>> "Rourke" == Rourke  <Tom> writes:

    Rourke> I'm having problems installing the Xemacs 19.14 binaries
    Rourke> on an HP-UX system.  When I try to start xemacs, the
    Rourke> dynamic library loader fails to find libAlib (as it
    Rourke> should, since we don't have libAlib on the system).

    Rourke> $ xemacs /usr/lib/dld.sl: Can't open shared library:
    Rourke> /opt/audio/lib/libAlib.1 /usr/lib/dld.sl: No such file or
    Rourke> directory Abort(coredump)

You might use the 9.X binaries, as they were specifically built to run
also on 10.X up to 10.10 (and, apparently, 10.20). Just checked, and
libAlib is not required (or, rather, it is statically linked).

Richard.

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Subject: Re: HELP: convert first Letters Upper
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pete@cloud9.net (Peter Leftwich) writes:


>    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
>    I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
>    do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.
> 
> Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)
> 
ESC-X capitalize-region

BTW, pressing ESC-C capitalizes the current word and jumps to the
beginning of the next one ...

cu: FJK

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Thierry Bouche wrote:
> BTW this doesn't work for iso-latin charcters: why?
>         (set-standard-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)
> doesn't do anything
> 
> I only have a partially working solution:
>    (add-hook 'find-file-hooks (lambda () (set-case-table iso8859/1-case-table)))
> Tell me why!

I'm sorry I am not familiar with set-case-table function, but the
online help explicitly says "A case table is a char-table which
maps characters to their lower-case equivalents."

The recommended way of switching on Emacs support for iso-latin
characters is to use the following in your ~/.emacs:

;; European character display (ISO 8859-1 Latin-1)
(standard-display-european t) ; automatically handle 8 bit characters
;; Use character codes from national keyboard
(set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode)) (nth 1 (current-input-mode))
0)
;; Handle commands operating on words correctly
(require 'iso-syntax)
;; ISO-accents for all text modes (for US keyboard)
;(add-hook 'text-mode-hook (function (lambda () (iso-accents-mode t))))


With this configuration, both M-x capitalize-region and
M-x upcase-initials-region work for iso-latin characters
exactly as expected.

By the way, does someone know the difference between those
two capitalizing commands?

Best regards
Kevin
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Subject: Re: gnuclient & -load xxx
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Thomas Feuster wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I want to do the following thing in XEmacs-19.14:
> 
> load and execute a file into XEmacs, even if one is already running
> 
> I can start a new XEmacs and use '-load xxx' without a problem, but
> is there any way to do the same thing if I use gnuserv/gnuclient to
> attach to a running instance? '-load xxx' didn't work (XEmacs tried to
> load a file named '-load xxx') :-(


Try this script:

#! /bin/csh
foreach i ($argv)
	gnudoit '(load "'$PWD'/'$i'")'
end


I use this a lot as a shell script I call 'xem':
$ xem *font*.el


#! /bin/csh
foreach i ($argv)
	gnudoit '(find-file "'$PWD'/'$i'")'
end


Kalle

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Hello,

I just tried to load the compile2 files load-library the compile2
module, and I get the following message:

    Loading compile2...
    Symbol's value as variable is void: create-form

I have created a compile2 subdirectory in our site-lisp directory and
down-loaded the files for compile2 located in the XEmacs contrib
subdirectory. 

Trying to byte-compile the compile2.el produces the following errors:

 31 13:38:14 1996
  !! Symbol's value as variable is void ((create-form))

And the file compile2.elc is not created.

Any hint?

Also any setup needed for the compile2 is welcome.

TIA

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In article <199610311140.NAA10806@merlin.ornet.co.il>,
ricky@ornet.co.il (Ricardo Marek) writes:
> Hello,
> I just tried to load the compile2 files load-library the compile2
> module, and I get the following message:

>     Loading compile2...
>     Symbol's value as variable is void: create-form

------------------------------------------------------------
From: Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Compile2?
Date: 29 Aug 1996 02:32:45 -0400
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs

In article <9608281318.AA04636@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>,
mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com (Mike Atkinson) writes:
> The 'create-form' referred to appears in declare-object (which *does*
> byte compile).  I do note from compile2:
[...]
> but various attempts to byte-compile-file or eval-buffer don't seem to
> get me anywhere.

Something changed in how the backquote macro is handled.  The function
declare-object makes heavy use of nested backquotes and quoted
commas(!).  These no longer work like the author seems to have
expected them to.

Here's a rewrite, replace your current declare-object.el with the
stuff at the end.  To compile the package, first compile and load
declare-object.el, then compile the rest of the files. 

There're other problems, however.  For starters, it incompatibly
redefines compile-internal; that function is used by the igrep
package.  You'll also need this to apply the included patch to get
stuff to display.

There's probably a -lot- of other gotcha's waiting in the wings...I
haven't really tested/dug around much.  I wish to enjoy the headache
developed from trying to follow the nesting of multiple eval's,
defmacro's and backquotes in declare-object before I do that. :-)

Patch first, followed by declare-object.el.
-Sudish

--- command-window.el~	Thu Aug 29 02:18:44 1996
+++ command-window.el	Thu Aug 29 02:18:44 1996
@@ -33,16 +33,14 @@
 
 (defun default-command-window-height ()
   "Default suggested height of command windows."
-  (max 8 (/ (screen-height) 3)))
+  (max 8 (/ (frame-height) 3)))
 
 (defsubst window-spans-screen-vertically (window)
   "Return whether WINDOW extends from top of screen to top of minibuffer
 window."
   ;; Cannot simply return (one-window-p), since it becomes false when
   ;; splitting horizontally.
-  (= (+ (window-height window)
-	(window-height (minibuffer-window)))
-     (screen-height)))
+  (= (window-height window) (frame-height)))
 
 (defun pop-to-command-buffer (buffer &optional window-height-hook)
   "Select \"command\" BUFFER \(e.g. compilation window, debugger window\) in


---------8<----------- declare-object.el ----------8<----------
;;;; Efficient fixed-size objects with named fields
;;;;
;;;; Distributed with compile2 version 2.07
;;;; Copyright Nick Duffek, 1993
;;;;
;;;; Modified to work with the reader backquote macro.
;;;;      Sudish Joseph <sudish@MindSpring.COM>, Aug 29 1996.
;;;;
;;;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.  However, the following applies as
;;;; if it were:
;;;;
;;;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT
;;;; ANY WARRANTY.  No author or distributor accepts responsibility to anyone
;;;; for the consequences of using it or for whether it serves any particular
;;;; purpose or works at all, unless he says so in writing.  Refer to the GNU
;;;; Emacs General Public License for full details.
;;;;
;;;; Everyone is granted permission to copy, modify and redistribute GNU
;;;; Emacs, but only under the conditions described in the GNU Emacs General
;;;; Public License.  A copy of this license is supposed to have been given
;;;; to you along with GNU Emacs so you can know your rights and
;;;; responsibilities.  It should be in a file named COPYING.  Among other
;;;; things, the copyright notice and this notice must be preserved on all
;;;; copies.
;;;;
;;;;===========================================================================
;;;;
;;;; Generate macros to create fixed-size objects and efficiently access and
;;;; modify their fields.

(defun declare-object (prefix-sym name-sym field-syms)
  "Args: PREFIX \(a symbol\), NAME \(a symbol\), and FIELDS \(a list of
symbols\).  Define macro \(PREFIX-create-NAME\) to return an object with
FIELDS, and macros \(PREFIX-NAME-FIELD object\) and \(PREFIX-set-NAME-FIELD
object value\) to respectively access and modify those FIELDS."
  (let* ((prefix (symbol-name prefix-sym))
	 (name (symbol-name name-sym))
	 (fields (mapcar '(lambda (field) (symbol-name field))
			 field-syms))
	 (nfields (length fields))
	 (index 0)
	 (creation-macro-name (concat prefix "-create-" name)))
    
    ;; Object creation macro
    (eval
     `(defmacro ,(intern creation-macro-name) (&rest init-list)
	,(concat "\
Create and return a " name " object initialized with INIT-LIST's elements if
INIT-LIST is non-nil, and with null values otherwise.")
	(let ((create-form '(make-vector ,nfields nil)))
	  (if (null init-list)
	      create-form
	    (and (/= (length init-list) ,nfields)
		 (error
		  ,(format "%s requires either zero or %d arguments"
			   creation-macro-name nfields)))
	    
	    ;; Generate list of initialization forms, return let
	    ;; construct which creates and initializes object
	    (let ((let-construct
		   (list 'let (list (list 'obj create-form))))
		  (i 0))
	      (mapcar
	       (function
		(lambda (init)
		  (nconc let-construct
			 (list (list 'aset 'obj i init)))
		  (setq i (1+ i))))
	       init-list)
	      (nconc let-construct (list 'obj)))))))
    
    (mapcar
     '(lambda (field)
	
	;; Object modify macros
	(eval
	 `(defmacro
	    ,(intern (concat prefix "-set-" name "-" field)) (object val)
	    (list 'aset object ,index val)))
	 
	;; Object create macros
	(eval
	 `(defmacro ,(intern (concat prefix "-" name "-" field)) (object)
	    (list 'aref object ,index)))
	
	(setq index (1+ index)))
     
     fields)))

(put 'declare-object 'lisp-indent-hook 'defun)
  
(provide 'declare-object)

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From: Angelo Addante <addante@teseo.it>
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Subject: java font lock mode
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:04:31 +0000
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Hello all,
  I am searching for the best java font lock mode lisp package to
use with Xemacs.

Thanx for your help

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|      Angelo Addante <addante@teseo.it> or                     |
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Brett Johnson wrote:

> > Can anyone suggest a good programming environment, with a file
> > manager, automatic linking and compiling, and the ability to
...
> HP's SoftBench product does a pretty nice job of integrating all
...
> In addition, it also comes with nice debugging, profiling, cross-
> referencing, static analysis, and automatic makefile generation

Beware of this product!!!
- It costs a fortune.
- It's slow like a snail, and has very strange user interface.

-- MfG/Bye/Udv - Simon Istvan - mailto:simo@ws6a37.gud.siemens.co.at -
-- hint:  my last name is my first name :-) --------------------------
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From: stromme@mi.uib.no (Stein A. Stromme)
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David Peart <dpeart@scic.intel.com> writes:

| 
| I thought I saw a post sometime back where VM would work seamlessly
| with compressed mail files.  I have been able to gzip the files and
| use them as filename.gz in VM.  Is it possible to get VM to read the
| files as compressed without the .gz extension?  I have saw nothing in
| the docs about this.

(load "jka-compr")

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Use Info-default-directory-list, not Info-directory-list.  The latter
gets set internally.  It's in the documentation somewhere.

Info-directory-list
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
List of directories to search for Info documentation files.
Default is to use the environment variable INFOPATH if it exists,
else to use Info-default-directory-list.

Info-default-directory-list
  -- a variable declared in Lisp.

Documentation:
List of default directories to search for Info documentation files.
This value is used as the default for `Info-directory-list'.  It is set
in startup.el.

Cheers =8-} Mike

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papier@u-strasbg.fr (Laurent Papier) writes:

> I don't like the new dialog-box in xemacs-19.14.
> How can I disable this feature, and switch back to xemacs-19.13 file
> selection in mini-buffer ?

I don't like it either. It is too slow. Further the files are display
horizontally with half of them invissible, even if there are a lot of
blank space vertically.

I would be glad if there is a lisp variable which control the use of
the file-dialog box.

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In article <m2pw21he6b.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:
>The dired-load-hook is run when dired is loaded, *not* when dired mode
>is invoked.  I would guess you're setting dired-load-hook after you
>are loading dired.  My .emacs looks like:
>
>(if (and running-xemacs
>         (console-on-window-system-p))
>    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
>              #'(lambda ()
>                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
>                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
>                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
>              t))
>(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
>(require 'dired)

This works without the (setq dir-do-permi...).  Otherwise, I get:
Symbol's function definition is void:
dired-make-permissions-interactive

I don't see where dired-chmod is being loaded.  I replaced the last
two lines with (require 'dired-chmod) and everything worked.

Am I missing something or you just forgot to include dired-chmod to your
tip?

Thanks,
Lui.

>
>
>Note the order of the settings.
>-- 
>steve@miranova.com baur
>Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
>What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
>Coincidence?  I think not.


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From: Glenn Williams <glwilli@uswest.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: How do I set colors for C++ mode?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:23:40 -0700
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Hello,

Does anyone have the varibles needed to change the color for the C++
mode? I'd
like to be able to change the font styles, and colors.

Thanks.

glenn

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Subject: 2 q's
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(1) how do I get gnus to set "reply-to" in outgoing mail ?

(2) in gnus, when viewing a group, how can i get it to
fetch more articles from the server for that same
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TIA,

	Rob -

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References: <199610310625.QAA00664@dca2.nse.com.au>
	<55aijn$es7@ousrvr3.oulu.fi>

I believe if you use term mode rather than shell, and set your term to
vt100, the ansi codes are interpreted correctly.

M-x term (to start term mode)

setenv TERM vt100 (from within the terminal window)



Petteri Heikkinen writes:
 > In article <199610310625.QAA00664@dca2.nse.com.au>, root <root@dca2.nse.com.au> wrote:
 > :r Hi,
 > 
 >   Hi root ;)
 > 
 > :r When I do:
 > :r M-x shell
 > :r and then do a directory listing I get this:
 > :r [9][ root@dca2: /usr/
 > :r # ls
 > 
 >   Emacs doesn't like ansi codes =( ... I got the same behaviour, which
 >  is really annoying. Unfortunately I don't have a clue how to make emacs
 >  use Ansi-sequences. Anyone????
 > 
 > :r Any ideas greatly appreciated.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > :r 	Rob -
 > 
 > -- 
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Subject: Re: shell
Date: 31 Oct 1996 16:03:03 GMT
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In article <199610310625.QAA00664@dca2.nse.com.au>, root <root@dca2.nse.com.au> wrote:
:r Hi,

  Hi root ;)

:r When I do:
:r M-x shell
:r and then do a directory listing I get this:
:r [9][ root@dca2: /usr/
:r # ls

  Emacs doesn't like ansi codes =( ... I got the same behaviour, which
 is really annoying. Unfortunately I don't have a clue how to make emacs
 use Ansi-sequences. Anyone????

:r Any ideas greatly appreciated.



:r 	Rob -

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From: Milan Zamazal <pdm@aisa.fi.muni.cz>
Subject: Minor mode & menu
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I have minor mode which can be global or buffer local (as user wants)
and I'd like to have menu in menubar for it.  I.e. menu appears in
menubar just when this minor mode is enabled.

In GNU Emacs it works immediately after `easy-menu-define' when
correct minor-mode-map is mentioned in it.  But this doesn't work in
XEmacs.  I haven't even found any simple way how simply change menubar
in all existing buffers (changing default-menubar affects only newly
created buffers).

Could anybody help me?  Thanks for any advice.

Milan Zamazal

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From: Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
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Subject: Re: shell
Date: 31 Oct 1996 08:48:39 -0800
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root@dca2.nse.com.au (root) writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> When I do:
> 
> M-x shell
> 
> and then do a directory listing I get this:
> 

Those are ansi color codes used by the color-ls program that is
default with Linux.  unalias ls (it's aliased by default to something
like "ls --color $LS_OPTIONS".

You also shouldn't be posting (or reading news, or any such "normal"
stuff) as root.  You're going to shoot yourself in the foot, I promise
you.

-- Gary F.

(waiting for yet another "Help, I was logged in as root and
accidentally deleted <foo>..." post)

-- 
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Send mail with the subject "send pgp key" for my public key.

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From: Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca>
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Subject: Re: dired highlight
Date: 31 Oct 1996 18:38:46 +0100
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luiland@lexis-nexis.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:

> 
> In article <m2pw21he6b.fsf@deanna.miranova.com>,
> Steven L Baur  <steve@miranova.com> wrote:
> >The dired-load-hook is run when dired is loaded, *not* when dired mode
> >is invoked.  I would guess you're setting dired-load-hook after you
> >are loading dired.  My .emacs looks like:
> >
> >(if (and running-xemacs
> >         (console-on-window-system-p))
> >    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
> >              #'(lambda ()
> >                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
> >                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
> >                  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
> >              t))
> >(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
> >(require 'dired)
> 
> This works without the (setq dir-do-permi...).  Otherwise, I get:
> Symbol's function definition is void:
> dired-make-permissions-interactive
> 
Thanks Steve. I _was_ loading dired earlier (before some ange-ftp
stuff). It works great now, including setting permissions interactively.

I don't get the error Yum Ting Lui and someone else got because I have the 
following before loading dired;

(autoload 'dired-make-permissions-interactive "dired-chmod" nil t)

Hope this helps.
-- 
rick 

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In XEmacs 19.14, I found a variable called prefix-directory.

* Is this a standard variable?
* When is its value computed?

According to the documentation for it:

	The default directory under which XEmacs is installed.

I would think if I installed one of the precompiled XEmacs distribs in
/usr/local, that should be the value of prefix-directory.  However, the value
appears to be the value of prefix-directory when XEmacs was compiled and
installed originally.

Can this prefix-directory variable be computed at run-time?  If so, this
variable would be a good one to use to set all special directories at
run-time.  Or is there a better way to determine where these are?

* site-lisp
* lisp
* info
* share


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>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

    DM> In XEmacs 19.14, I found a variable called prefix-directory.

Shouldn't there also be an exec-prefix-directory for those situations
where I've configured with --prefix != --exec_prefix?  Maybe this is
why I always have to add a couple of symlinks in strange places to get
XEmacs to run without complaint?

-Barry

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From: timh@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tim Heap)
Subject: Extents, faces, display tables, and glyphs
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Hi

Some questions for anyone out there who really knows what goes
on in the Xemacs display engine (surely there must be at least
one person in the world   ;?> ):

1)
Would i be correct in assuming that a string which occurs as
either the instantiator of a text image or in a character
descriptor in a display table has no properties (e.g. an extent
with a face) attached to it (or that properties are ignored here)?

2)
Do the  vector  sort of character descriptors actually work,
and if so what happens when they do?

3)
Somewhere in the docs, underspecified faces are described as
inheriting from "the default face instantiated with the locale
being the current frame" (or something very close to this);
yet they actually seem to inherit from the default face with
any locale from a buffer to global. What's going on?

More generally, which things are actually properties of a frame
(e.g. current-display table is often described as a frame property,
yet i seem to recall succesfully setting it per device before i
read this --- it seems to work just like an ordinary specifier)?


I really hope there's someone who can provide the answers --- so
far i've found out more by experiment than by reading the docs
and it takes forever!

Cheers,
	t!m
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From: Sumit Das <sumit.das@fedex.com>
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Subject: VM Mail outgoing mail save folder.
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Hi netters

I am sure it is possible, BUT I have not figured this out as yet.

How do I save all my outgoing mail into an outgoing mail folder 
automatically. 

I currently use "elm" and have been using emacs for a long time
now and so have decided to move to VM mail as emacs is where I
do most of my REAL work !! This is a slow transition for me !!

Any help/pointers will be appreciated. I apologize if this is
there in the documentation or some FAQ, but I have been unable
to find the information. I currently use XEMACS 19.14 and sometimes
emacs 19.34.

Thanks

Sumit


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Subject: sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks/xemacs-19.14

I am trying to use the above pre-compiled binary on a Sun UltraSPARC
with Solaris 2.5, but it won't load an input file when first opened.
Specifically, the command I executed was:

ws3017:205> bin/sparc-sun-solaris2.4-sparcworks/xemacs-19.14 .profile&

The following error message appeared:

Wrong type argument: stringp, nil

Once I am in xemacs I am able to load a file either by pressing the
open button or with c-x c-f.  With both the HPUX 9.05 & the Dec/OSF
versions I have no trouble doing this.  The same is true on the
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By the way, I also get the message

Wrong type argument: char-or-string-p, nil

when trying to send this mail message out of xemacs-19.14.  I am
sending it from xemacs-19.13 instead.

Thanks,

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>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:
  Ricardo> Hello,

  Ricardo> I just tried to load the compile2 files load-library the compile2
  Ricardo> module, and I get the following message:

  Ricardo>     Loading compile2...
  Ricardo>     Symbol's value as variable is void: create-form

  Ricardo> I have created a compile2 subdirectory in our site-lisp directory and
  Ricardo> down-loaded the files for compile2 located in the XEmacs contrib
  Ricardo> subdirectory. 

  Ricardo> Trying to byte-compile the compile2.el produces the following errors:

  Ricardo>  31 13:38:14 1996
  Ricardo>   !! Symbol's value as variable is void ((create-form))

  Ricardo> And the file compile2.elc is not created.

  Ricardo> Any hint?

  Ricardo> Also any setup needed for the compile2 is welcome.

You have to byte-compile compile2 with an older version.  I used GNU
Emacs 19.28 (or 29, I don't remember).  It will work in newer
versions, you just can't byte-compile it with the newer versions.

I wish Nick Duffek would resurface and maintain this again, or someone
else capable of it would see its value and take it over, and possibly
convince either the GNU team or the XEmacs team to incorporate its
features.

-- 
============================================================================
David M. Karr        | Unix/X/C++/Emacs  |          GTE - Government Systems
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Subject: movemail, POP, Gnus: How to read mail
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I would like to be able to start using Gnus for mail operations too.
But here is the problem:

I am not sure our System Administrator is willing to give movemail the
required setgid.  We do use POP.

What best can I do in this situation ?

HP-UX A.09.05, XEmacs 19.14, Gnus 5.2.25

Thanks.

-- 

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>>>>> Hrvoje Niksic writes:

  Hrv> Is there a command to go to the declaration of variable at
  Hrv> point (in c-mode)?  Vim has something like that when `g d' is
  Hrv> pressed, and I think it shouldn't be too hard to implement in
  Hrv> Emacs.

You can use tags for that.  Use "etags *.[ch]" to build a TAGS table.
Use M-x visit-tags-table RET ...insert.right.dir.here... RET to load
that table into Emacs.  Then use M-. to search for a variable
definition.

hth,
kai
-- 
Life is hard and then you die.

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Sumit Das <sumit.das@fedex.com> writes:

> 
> Hi netters
> 
> I am sure it is possible, BUT I have not figured this out as yet.
> 
> How do I save all my outgoing mail into an outgoing mail folder 
> automatically. 
> 
> I currently use "elm" and have been using emacs for a long time
> now and so have decided to move to VM mail as emacs is where I
> do most of my REAL work !! This is a slow transition for me !!
> 
> Any help/pointers will be appreciated. I apologize if this is
> there in the documentation or some FAQ, but I have been unable
> to find the information. I currently use XEMACS 19.14 and sometimes
> emacs 19.34.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Sumit
> 

Please ignore the above post !! I found some postings in the 
gnu.emacs.vm.info group which had the answer to my question.

Sorry about the post.

Sumit

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> This generates a "Symbol's function definition is void:
> dired-make-permissions-interactive" error in XEmacs 19.14, Dired
> Revision 6.0.

Add (require 'dired-chmod) to enable interactive permission editing.



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From: daku@nortel.ca (Mark Daku)
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Subject: Is there a way to get live-icon to gen an icon that is left justified.
Date: 31 Oct 1996 21:49:20 -0500
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OK Strange question.

But what I want is to have the icon generated from the left hand 
side of the window, not centered in the middle of the window. OR
even drawn from the top right corner.  Right now my Frames are huge
I typically have my window the full height of my display 21" and about
a 150 cols wide.  Thus live-icon just generates an icon for the center
of the Frame.  but since in code land a lot of lines are very short
I want to see those short little pieces in the icon.  I hope you
understand.

P.S.  I have version 1.2 is there a newer version with maybe some
documentation.  This one has none.

---
Mark Daku
daku@nortel.ca

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I don't mind the .gz extension, and VM seems to read them fine.  The problem
I have with this is that I can not save additional mail to these gzipped folders.

I also remember a posting a while back which said VM no longer needs to visit
files while saving because improvements in gzip now allow appending files to an
already gzippped files without decompressing it first.  However, when I tried
to save mail to a gzipped folder it did not work for me.

I use crypt++, and I am happy with it in general. If I switch to jka-compr,
will I be able to save over gzipped folders?

stromme@mi.uib.no (Stein A. Stromme) writes:
> 
> David Peart <dpeart@scic.intel.com> writes:
> 
> | I thought I saw a post sometime back where VM would work seamlessly
> | with compressed mail files.  I have been able to gzip the files and
> | use them as filename.gz in VM.  Is it possible to get VM to read the
> | files as compressed without the .gz extension?  I have saw nothing in
> | the docs about this.
> 
> (load "jka-compr")

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: marking text via the keyboard
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Chris Pratico wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of a way (or have a package) that will allow you
> to select text in emacs via the shift-arrow keys (instead
> of the default C-space).

Used to DOS? Just like me...

Therefore I put all my LISP together and came up with dos-edit-mode:

;;########################################################################
;;
;; defun's needed for dos-edit
;;
;;########################################################################

;; here is our own command-hook to enabled marking as known from 
;; dos editors:
;; cursor & all other movment keys don't create a primary selection
;; until pressed together with the shift modifier
;; =>
;; i)  movement without shift : disown primary selection
;; ii) movement with shift    : if first time, set mark
;;
;; thomas feuster, 14.05.1995
;; 
;; How to use:
;; 
;; You need to load it in your .emacs
;; 
;; (load "pending-del" nil t)
;; (load "dosedit" nil t)
;; 
;; and then mark the appropriate commands to use this mode like
;; 
;; (put 'previous-line 'dos-edit 'do-mark)
;; 
;; After that you should have highlighting like in DOS editors.
;; 
;; Known bugs & problems:
;; 
;; It happens to me sometimes that highlighting doesn't work anymore
;; after some other errors (e.g. revert-buffer on a file that doesn't 
;; exist any longer). Probably the pre-command-hook gets messed up.
;; 

(defvar dos-edit-verbose
  t
  "*nil disables on/off messages for dos-edit
1 suppresses messages on loading
t enables all messages")

(defun dos-edit-pre-hook ()
  "hook for dos-edit.

checks if the commands symbol \'dos-edit is set to \'do-mark, to see if
anything must be done.

if the key is pressed without shift, the primary selection is discarded
and the mark removed. with shift, mark is set (if not allready exists).

to make a key visible to dos-edit, use

(put \'key \'dos-edit \'do-mark)."
  (condition-case c  ;; don't ever signal an error in pre-command-hook!
      (let ((type (and (symbolp this-command)
		       (get this-command 'dos-edit))))
	(if (eq type 'do-mark)
	    (let ((shift-mode (logand 32 (event-modifier-bits (aref
(this-command-keys) 0)))))
	      (cond ((= 32 shift-mode)
		     (if (not (extentp primary-selection-extent))
                         (progn
                           (setq mouse-track-rectangle-p nil)
			   (set-mark-command ()))))
		    ((= 0 shift-mode)
		     (if (and (extentp primary-selection-extent)
			      (eq (current-buffer) (extent-object primary-selection-extent)))
			 (cond (zmacs-regions
				(zmacs-deactivate-region))
			       ((eq (device-type) 'x)
				(x-disown-selection)))))))))
    (error
     (message "alle mann in die boote! %s" c))))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit-on (verbose)
  "turn on dos-edit.
when it is on, maps keys to simulate marking with cursor keys like dos
editors.
when it is off, just standard emacs mode."
  (interactive "P")
  (add-hook 'pre-command-hook 'dos-edit-pre-hook)
  (and verbose
    (message "dos-edit is on, use M-x dos-edit to turn it off.")))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit-off (verbose)
  "turn off dos-edit.
when it is on, maps keys to simulate marking with cursor keys like dos
editors.
when it is off, just standard emacs mode."
  (interactive "P")
  (remove-hook 'pre-command-hook 'dos-edit-pre-hook)
  (and verbose (message "dos-edit is off.")))

;;;###autoload
(defun dos-edit (&optional arg)
  "toggle dos-edit.
with a positive argument, turns it on.
with a non-positive argument, turns it off."
  (interactive "P")
  (let* ((was-on (not (not (memq 'dos-edit-pre-hook pre-command-hook))))
	 (on-p (if (null arg)
		   (not was-on)
		(> (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))))
    (cond ((eq on-p was-on)
	   nil)
	  (on-p
	   (dos-edit-on dos-edit-verbose))
	  (t
	   (dos-edit-off dos-edit-verbose)))))

;; start dos-edit.  assume that if we load it then we obviously wanted
;; it on, even if it is already on.
(pending-delete 1)

(dos-edit-on (eq dos-edit-verbose t))

HTH,
Thomas
-- 
Thomas Feuster                      Institut fuer theoretische Physik
feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de   Justus Liebig Universitaet Giessen
Phone: +49 641 702-2832             Heinrich-Buff-Ring 16
Fax  : +49 641 702-2868             35392 Giessen, Germany
http://theorie.physik.uni-giessen.de/~feuster

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I remember some talk a while ago about efs replacing ange-ftp. Will this happen
in XEmacs 19.15?  Incidentally is there a list of new features slated for
XEmacs 10.15?

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
> First, start the server withing your running XEmacs, with
> `M-x gnuserv-start'.  Then you can use gnudoit to evaluate any Lisp
> expression, e.g.
> 
> $ gnudoit '(load "anyfile.el")'

Thanks a lot - sometimes the answer lies to close before your eyes...

Thomas
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From: Ville Kullervo Mattila <mulperi@potkulauta.cs.hut.fi>
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chinmoy@bendre.india.hp.com (Chinmoy Das) writes:

> 
> Hi,
> i am having a severe problem regarding which i am not getting help in
> any place.
> 
> I have installed precompiled xemacs on HP-UX 9.x version.
> I can successfully start OOBR. 
> whenever i want to have graphical views of the class hierarchy
> it says "FILE or directory not found : xoobr"
> please help me out ASAP as i am using this in my project.

	xoobr is an external program and must be located in your
	path. Try "which xoobr" in your shell prompt. If this command
	doesn't display anything. Then you must compile xoobr
	yourself. The source is located lisp/oobr/tree-x in your
	xemacs source distribution.

 - Ville

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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
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naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au wrote:

I believe the snippet of code you posted would only have effect on
instances of VM.  I had similar problems so I set the Reply-to: field
for gnus and VM in my ~/.emacs file by doing the following (which should
be self explanatory). I have no explanation for why this is necessary.
I'm gradually getting hooked on Xemacs and may actually buy a reference
book on elisp.

;;===================================
;; Some stuff for using VM and GNUS 
;;===================================
;; 9/21/96 This worked for VM but not GNUS
;; might not need it anymore with
;; the setq stuff below now.
         
 (setq mail-default-reply-to "gtodd@yorku.ca  (Graham Todd)")

;; 10/27/96 The following two lines were needed to
;; correct reply-to and mail addresses  in GNUS

 (setq user-mail-address "gtodd@yorku.ca")
 (setq user-full-name "Graham Todd")

;;=============================
;;GNUS server configuration
;;=============================
 (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "newshub.ccs.yorku.ca"))  
 (setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
         gnus-read-active-file nil
         gnus-nov-is-evil nil)

-----------------------------------------------
Robert Nader wrote:
> 
> Why is it that I have in my VM mail config:
> 
>  ;; Address to insert as default Reply-to field of outgoing messages
>       mail-default-reply-to "naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au"
>       vm-mail-header-from "naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au"
> 
> and this works fine from within VM MAIL ....
> 
> but when I send mail or post from GNUS the
> "Reply to:" field is set to my local account,
> which as my local domain <nse.com.au> is _not_
> connected to the net I would clearly want to
> have mail replied to an internet address.
> 
> Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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Subject: Need Help in XEMACS!!
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 96 08:57:37 -0500
From: Farah Barre <farah_barre@westend.ca>
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Hi there, 

If you can't help me, please forward the following message to the 
appropriate person. I couldn't find the email address of the technical 
support.

I'm using XEMACS-19.14.

1) I can't change the colors of TYPES names in my C code when I'm in the 
    C-mode.

The following is what I have in my ".emacs" file concerning the "types" 
name  and it's not working. But  changing the color of functions and 
comments works:

(add-hook 'c-mode-hook    'turn-on-font-lock)
(set-face-foreground  'font-lock-type-face   "orange")


2) When I indent a function the color disappears. Do you know why?

Please reply ASAP

Thanks 

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Kai Grossjohann (grossjohann@ls6.informatik.uni-dortmund.de) wrote:
> You can use tags for that.  Use "etags *.[ch]" to build a TAGS table.
> Use M-x visit-tags-table RET ...insert.right.dir.here... RET to load
> that table into Emacs.  Then use M-. to search for a variable
> definition.

Nope, it doesn't work.  TAGS will not find variables, especially not
those declared within functions.  It finds function definitions,
preprocessor macros and type declarations.  Not variables.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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       the Emacs religion.

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Farah Barre (farah_barre@westend.ca) wrote:
> If you can't help me, please forward the following message to the 
> appropriate person. I couldn't find the email address of the technical 
> support.

XEmacs is free software and does not offer technical support by
default.

> 1) I can't change the colors of TYPES names in my C code when I'm in the 
>     C-mode.

Try M-x edit-faces

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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From: peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu (Peter Berger)
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Subject: W3 3.0.28 - no images?
Date: 1 Nov 1996 10:45:17 -0500
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Has anyone else had problems getting w3 3.0.28 to display images
in xemacs 19.14?

Anyone suggest some good ways to debug this?


-- 
Pete Berger
Coordinator, Regional Information Infrastructure
Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
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Peter Berger (peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu) wrote:
> Has anyone else had problems getting w3 3.0.28 to display images
> in xemacs 19.14?

I haven't gotten images to work either.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:
> I would like to be able to start using Gnus for mail operations too.
> But here is the problem:
> 
> I am not sure our System Administrator is willing to give movemail the
> required setgid.  We do use POP.
> 
> What best can I do in this situation ?
> 
> HP-UX A.09.05, XEmacs 19.14, Gnus 5.2.25

After spending much more time than I should be, this is how I am able to
read mail with Gnus in spite of not having root permission or setgid
permission to movemail.  Hope this helps others in a similar situation.
I am posting this to the VM newsgroup too since I have seen similar
questions on there, and some of this might apply to VM too.

1. popclient3 (beta) from
   ftp://ftp.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/source/n/tcpip/
   (under GNU General Public License)
2. point gnus-movemail-program to wrapper around popclient (appended)
3. ~/.gnus:
      (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "private")))
      (setq nnmail-movemail-program "~/bin/popclient.sh")
      (setq nnmail-spool-file '("po:smaddhi" "~/Mail/smaddhi"))
      (setq nnml-get-new-mail t)
      (setq nnmail-tmp-directory "~/Mail")

   Second item of nnmail-spool-file is a link (lrwxr-x---) to a file
   with no write permission for world (-r--r-----).  Kludge ? Yes.
   Works ? Consistently. (For the past few hours, at least.)

Suggestions, comments, helpful hints welcome.  Some knowledge of Emacs
Lisp on my part and at least rudimentary movemail documentation (scoured
the web/ Usenet to no avail) would have drastically cut the effort.

popclient.sh starts on next line:
#!/bin/posix/sh

### Srinivas Maddhi 110196
### popclient wrapper
### 
### Takes two arguments as expected by GNU movemail
###     argv[1] = po:login_id
###     argv[2] = nnmlail-crash-box
### If argv[1] != po:login_id, then exit without running popclient
### (kludge to fix gnus creating crash box but not reading it and
### splitting mail unless popclient invoked a second time with 
### 'gnus-group-get-new-news'.  Works.)
### Does not overwrite existing crash box
### Todo:
###    De-kludge
###    File locking
###    Elegantize

# Crash box exists
if [ -a $2 ]
then
	exit 1
fi

# Make sure arg 1 follows right format
if [ `echo "$1" | cut -c 1-3` != "po:" ]
then
	exit 2
fi

# Extract login-id
user=`echo "$1" | cut -c 4-`

# Exit if login-id is NULL
if [ $user = "" ]
then
    exit 3
fi

# Get mail
~/bin/popclient -3 -a -v -s -u $user -o $2 -p wd2ulk2no get.some.sleep.de
        
# No mail; delete zero size crashbox if exist
if [ $? -eq 1 ]
then
	if [ -s $2 ]
	then
		:
	elif [ -a $2 ]
	then
        /bin/rm $2
	else
		:
	fi
fi

exit 0

-- 

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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

>>>>> "DM" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

DM> In XEmacs 19.14, I found a variable called prefix-directory.

BAW> Shouldn't there also be an exec-prefix-directory for those situations
BAW> where I've configured with --prefix != --exec_prefix?  

There appears to be three variables (that I've detected):

================
prefix-directory's value is "/home/cognot/APPS/tmp"
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
The default directory under which XEmacs is installed.
================
exec-directory's value is "/usr/local/xemacs/lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/"
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Directory of architecture-dependent files that come with XEmacs,
especially executable programs intended for Emacs to invoke.
================
data-directory's value is "/usr/local/xemacs/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/"
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Directory of architecture-independent files that come with XEmacs,
intended for Emacs to use.
================

The second two are correct according to how I've installed XEmacs here and,
so, must be computed at run-time.  The first one, though, appears to have been
computed at compile-time and, so, doesn't appear to be useful.  From its
documentation, one could say that its value is correct, but, considering that
XEmacs is being delivered in binary form, it would be much better if it was
computed at run-time.

Anyone know if Emacs has these variables and how they are computed?

BAW> Maybe this is why I always have to add a couple of symlinks in strange
BAW> places to get XEmacs to run without complaint?

I've never had any complaints that seemed associated with things being in the
wrong place and, therefore, requiring a symlink.  However, unless these
variables are being used deep inside XEmacs, I don't rely on them for
anything.

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>>>>> "Levent" == Levent N Atasoy <lna@optimal.mark.macsch.com> writes:

Levent> I remember some talk a while ago about efs replacing ange-ftp. Will
Levent> this happen in XEmacs 19.15?  Incidentally is there a list of new
Levent> features slated for XEmacs 10.15?

See the XEmacs NEWS file (C-h n).  Also see the XEmacs web-page (at
www.xemacs.org).

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Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes: <Edited>
> Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes: <Edited>
> > I am not sure our System Administrator is willing to give movemail the
> > required setgid.  We do use POP.
> > 
> > What best can I do in this situation ?
>
> After spending much more time than I should be, this is how I am able to
> read mail with Gnus in spite of not having root permission or setgid
> permission to movemail.
> 
> 1. popclient3 (beta) 
> 2. point gnus-movemail-program to wrapper around popclient (appended)
> 3. ~/.gnus:
>       (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "private")))
>       (setq nnmail-movemail-program "~/bin/popclient.sh")
>
>
> popclient.sh starts on next line:
> #!/bin/posix/sh
> 
> ### Srinivas Maddhi 110196
> ### popclient wrapper
> ### 
> ### Takes two arguments as expected by GNU movemail

A shar file of a "safer" wrapper script, improved error reporting,
corrected options, and installation help will be posted to
gnu.emacs.sources shortly after posting this article with the same
subject line.

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Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:
> This generates a "Symbol's function definition is void:
> dired-make-permissions-interactive" error in XEmacs 19.14, Dired
> Revision 6.0.

Add this line
	(require 'dired-chmod)
after setting dired-do-permission-highlighting-too. You can move all
of this into the hook.


Markus

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Glenn,

This is what "edit-faces" is for.  You can read about it in the
info pages.  To start edit faces go to options -> edit-faces submenu.

It's really quite flexible, although a little cumbersome to start
with.


Glenn Williams wrote:
> Does anyone have the varibles needed to change the color for the C++
> mode? I'd
> like to be able to change the font styles, and colors.
> US WEST

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"Markus Gutschke" <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
> Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:
> > This generates a "Symbol's function definition is void:
> > dired-make-permissions-interactive" error in XEmacs 19.14, Dired
> > Revision 6.0.
> 
> Add this line
> 	(require 'dired-chmod)
> after setting dired-do-permission-highlighting-too. You can move all
> of this into the hook.

Tried that.

Then I only get highlighting on permissions and none on files /
directories ?!

Didn't get a chance to fiddle with it much though.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Have a good weekend!
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OK, some folk suggested I try Info-default-directory-list

That doesn't work.

Right now I have.

root:/usr/local/info>ls -al localdir                                      20:06
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       1420 Oct 30 23:51 localdir
root:/usr/local/info>    

root:/usr/local/info>cat localdir                                         20:09
-*- Text -*-
 
This is the file .../info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the Info
hierarchy.  The first time you invoke Info you start off looking at that node,
which is (dir)Top.
 
Rather than adding new nodes to this directory (and this file) it is a better
idea to put them in a site-local directory, and then configure info to search
in that directory as well.  That way, you won't have to re-edit this file when
a new release of the editor comes out.
 
For example, you could add this code to .../lisp/site-start.el, which is
loaded before ~/.emacs each time the editor starts up:
 
  ;; find local info nodes
  (setq Info-default-directory-list
        (append Info-default-directory-list '("/private/info/")))
 
Then, when you enter info, the contents of the file "/private/info/localdir"
will be appended to the contents of this file (where the "* Locals:" line is.)
The "localdir" file should simply contain lines like in this file, listing the
names of the info files in its directory.
 
 
File: localdir  Node: Top       This is the top of the INFO tree
 
  This is Info, the online documentation browsing system.
  This page (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics.
 
  button1 or button2 on a highlighted word follows that cross-reference.
  button3 anywhere brings up a menu of commands.
  ? lists additional keyboard commands.
  h invokes the Info tutorial.
 
* Menu:
 
* SGNUS:(gnus). Lars's cool GNUS.

(setq Info-default-directory-list (cons (expand-file-name "/usr/local/info/") Info-default-directory-list))

When I have things setup like it complains that it cannot find "dir"

I mean the xemacs info directory has "dir" and I've got "localdir"

Why does it complain about "dir" not found.

root:/usr/local/info>ls -al /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/info/dir          20:10
-rw-r--r--   1 root     other       3387 Sep 28 16:10 /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/info/dir

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I have some trouble to setting the Fonts in xemacs . Select the fonts form
the Options menu , then I select the "save options " to save it . Howvever
, when I restart the xemacs the xemacs next time , the Fonts does not
change . So I add two lines in the ".Xdefault' file :

Emacs.default.attributeFont:
-*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1

Unfortunely , it still doesn't work .

Can someone send me a mail and solve the problem for me . Thanks



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OK problem solved. I had an old INFOPATH envar kicking around that shouldn't
have been which was causing it to try to find dir in my /usr/local/info
directory.

Thanks to all those who responded.

Is it too late to order a Red GNUS shirt?

-- 
They pay homage to a king who's dreams are buried in their minds. 
His tears are frozen stiff. Icicles drip from his eyes.

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From: "Scott L. Burson" <gyro@ZETA-SOFT.COM>
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Subject: 19.14 Performance problems: a clue
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 22:49:39 -0800
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I just recently converted from 19.13 to 19.14, and have run into the
performance problems that others have been complaining about.  Once it
goes into "slow mode", 19.14 is unusable on a Sparcstation 1+ and can't
keep up with keyboard auto-repeat on a Sparcstation 5/85, even in
Fundamental mode.  (This is under SunOS 4.1.4 and X11-R5.  I don't use
multiple frames very often, but my windows are large and I use a small
font, so I have lots of lines on the screen all the time.)

>From what I read here, I gather that the problem is not universally
experienced, and is not understood.  I have an observation that may
prove useful.

When I go into 19.13 on the SS1+ (an old, slow machine by current
standards), create a buffer in Fundamental mode, and hold down a letter
key, the characters appear in clumps.  This happens because redisplay is
not fast enough, on this machine with this many lines on the screen, to
run to completion every time the auto-repeat sends a character.  So
redisplay interrupts itself when a new character comes in, the insertion
is processed, and redisplay is invoked again.  Only every few characters
does the timing work out so that redisplay can show the current contents
of the line.

In contrast, when I do the same thing on the SS5 with 19.14, once I get
it into slow mode -- I'm still not sure how that happens, but it doesn't
take me very long -- create a Fundamental mode buffer, and hold down a
letter key, the characters appear one at a time even though the machine
can't keep up with the auto-repeat (letters keep appearing after I
release the key).  This suggests that something has damaged redisplay's
ability to interrupt itself, so it is running to completion after every
character.

This seems like a good clue to the nature of the problem.  I am happy to
perform further experiments if any XEmacs redisplay experts out there
can suggest any.

-- Scott

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From: Saifi <saifi@sscu.iisc.ernet.in>
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Hi folks

	Sorry if this a stupid question, but I have not been able to 
figure out how does one run an executable e.g. a.out from within 
xemacs-19.14 without going to a separate window like xterm and typing at 
the command line.

	Thanks in advance !!!

with regards,
Saifi

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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
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I run Linux and  connect to my provider with pppd
to read news get mail etc.  During peak hours if my 
connection isn't active for  a certain period I am 
automatically disconnected by the provider.  The problem
is that if I am using GNUS to read news disconnecting 
causes all of xemacs to freeze up.  I have to destroy the 
window and restart Xemacs.   I'm not clear on how nntp is 
implemented or how to configure xemacs to be more `robust'
on disconnects.  Other clients (Netscape, Lynx etc have no 
problem and I simply reload the page or newsgroup).

This does not occur if the connection goes down while using 
W3 - only GNUS. I'm thinking it has to do with how I receive 
news articles.  Can anyone suggest anything or see something
obvious below?

G. Todd

----------------------------------
System Info:
Pentium 100 64 megs ram
kernel 1.2.13
xemacs 19.14, GNUS 5.2.25, nntp 4.0, nnfolder 1.0
pppd  2.1.2

webart@ellerbeck$: ldd /usr/local/bin/xemacs

	libXm.so.2.0 => /usr/lib/libXm.so.2
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.0
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.0
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0
	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.0
	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

Relevant section of ~/.emacs file:

;;===================================
;; Some stuff for using VM and GNUS
;;===================================
;; 9/21/96 This works for VM might not need it anymore with
;; the setq stuff below now 

 (setq mail-default-reply-to "gtodd@yorku.ca  (Graham Todd)")

;; 10/27/96 The follwing two lines were needed to 
;; correct reply-to and mail addresses  in GNUS  
 (setq user-mail-address "gtodd@yorku.ca")  
 (setq user-full-name "Graham Todd")
;;GNUS server configuration
 (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "newshub.ccs.yorku.ca")) 
 (setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
         gnus-read-active-file nil
         gnus-nov-is-evil nil)





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From: Ivo Conde e Silva <ijcs@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt>
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Can anyone tell me  how do I setup Xemacs (19.14) to recognize my tab
key?
Right-now I'm completing expressions with the space key (in mini-buffer)
and I cant even indent text while typing, while in emacs 19.31 the tab
key works just fine. 

Thanks in advance,

	Ivo

email:   ijcs@camoes.rnl.ist.utl.pt

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Milan Zamazal <pdm@aisa.fi.muni.cz> writes:

> In GNU Emacs it works immediately after `easy-menu-define' when
> correct minor-mode-map is mentioned in it.  But this doesn't work in
> XEmacs. 

You need to call `easy-menu-add' and `easy-menu-remove' when you
enter/leave the mode.  This can be done in the minor mode function
itself.  Example: 

    (defun LaTeX-math-mode (&optional arg)
      "A minor mode with easy acces to TeX math macros. 
    
    Easy insertion of LaTeX math symbols.  If you give a prefix argument,
    the symbols will be surrounded by dollar signs.  The following
    commands are defined:
    
    \\{LaTeX-math-keymap}"
      (interactive "P")
      (setq LaTeX-math-mode
    	    (not (or (and (null arg) LaTeX-math-mode)
    		     (<= (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))))
      (if LaTeX-math-mode
    	  (easy-menu-add LaTeX-math-mode-menu LaTeX-math-keymap)
    	(easy-menu-remove LaTeX-math-mode-menu))
      (set-buffer-modified-p (buffer-modified-p)))

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tonyf@ims.com (Antonio Freixas) writes:
> The following code I modified from somewhere places the history list on
> the menu. You can select any recently used M-x command with a mouse
> selection!

I immediately installed this menu and I like it a lot, but there were
a couple of drawbacks.

 - after a while the menu starts collecting far too many entries; you
   seldomly need more than the last dozen commands.

 - duplicate menu entries just waste precious space.

 - when selecting a menu entry, I want it to be moved to the top of
   the list.

 - extra long commands confuse XEmacs' code for displaying menus, thus
   menu entries should be truncated when a reasonable width is
   exceeded.

 - after executing a command from the menu, there should be some
   feed-back in the minibuffer.

Thus, I came up with a modified version of the e-lisp code; comments
are appreciated:

(setq history-menu-max-items 15)
(setq history-menu-max-len 50)

(defun call-history-menu (cmd)
  (message (prin1-to-string cmd))
  (setq command-history (cons cmd (delete cmd command-history)))
  (eval cmd))

(defun compute-history-menu (max-items command-history history-menu)
  (if (and (> max-items 0)
	   (not (equal command-history nil)))
      (let ((s (prin1-to-string (car command-history))))
	(if (equal nil (member s history-menu))
	    (let ((v (make-vector 3 't)))
	      (aset v 0 (substring s 0 (min (length s) history-menu-max-len)))
	      (aset v 1 (list 'call-history-menu (list 'function
						       (car command-history))))
	      (cons v (compute-history-menu ( - max-items 1)
					    (cdr command-history)
					    (cons s history-menu))))
	  (compute-history-menu max-items (cdr command-history)
				history-menu)))))

(defun create-history-menu ()
  (if (equal command-history nil)
      (add-submenu '()
		'("History"
		  ["No command history" (message "No command history") t]))
    (add-submenu '()
		 (append '("History")
			 (compute-history-menu history-menu-max-items
					       command-history nil)))))

(add-hook 'activate-menubar-hook 'create-history-menu)
(add-submenu '()
	  '("History" ["No command history" (message "No command history") t]))
(set-menubar-dirty-flag)

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Srinivas Maddhi writes:
 > > Add this line
 > > 	(require 'dired-chmod)
 > > after setting dired-do-permission-highlighting-too. You can move all
 > > of this into the hook.
 > 
 > Tried that.
 > 
 > Then I only get highlighting on permissions and none on files /
 > directories ?!

Hmm, that is strange. This is an excerpt from my ~/.emacs file which
seems to properly highlight files and permissions; I do not think,
that there are any other dired related commands in my ~/.emacs file:

(if (console-on-window-system-p)
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              #'(lambda ()
		  (setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
		  (require 'dired-chmod)
                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-marked "orange red")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-deleted "yellow3")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "magenta")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-setuid "red")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-symlink "cyan")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-executable "green")
		  (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-directory "blue"))
              t))

I would prefer if it did even more highlighting based on the file
extensions (such as GNU ls does), but I am afraid that would require
major changes...


Markus

P.S.: If this still does not work and if you want to get a full copy
      of my ~/.emacs file, feel free to drop me a note.

-- 
Markus Gutschke            Internet: gutschk@math.uni-muenster.de
Schlage 5a
D-48268 Greven-Gimbte
Germany

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naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au writes:

> 
> (1) how do I get gnus to set "reply-to" in outgoing mail ?

(setq message-default-headers "Reply-To: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au\n")
(setq mail-default-headers "Reply-To: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au\n")

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Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
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mbresnahan1@mmm.com (Mike Bresnahan) writes:

> 
> Gary Beckmann wrote:
> > 
> > I recently upgraded to HP-UX 10.20.  Now, in addition to the periodic
> > open frame crashes (has anyone compiled the suggested patches into the
> > HP pre-builts?  I just really don't have the disk space for the
> > source); I now note that periodically Xemacs falls behind when I'm
> > typing.  Now I don't have a really fantastic typing rate (I did know
> > someone who could get ahead of an IBM Selectric, but that's
> > irrelevant) so what could be happening?  Right now, Xemacs is keeping
> > up just fine.  Just every now and then everything slows down.  It
> > could be the OS -- but has anyone else ever seen anything similar?
> 
> We are experiencing odd intermitent lag when writing to files.  I do not
> think this lag can be completely contributed to the OS.  You may be
> experiencing the same thing.  You're slow downs may be triggered by the
> auto-save feature.  Periodically, XEmacs auto-saves updated files.  We
> experience that sometimes these auto-saves take a lot longer than they
> should.
> 
> I have not heard of anyone else experiencing these problems nor of a
> fix.
> 
> MikeB

I have heard of many people with this problem. I have it as well. Some people
say that it's related to the number of frames, and that decreasing the number
of frames helps. I personally never use more than 2 frames, and for me it
seems to be related the the number of buffers. Also, some people claim that
the function menu or font lock mode is at fault.

But when it happens, it's bad. I pretty much just have to kill xemacs and 
start over. It's like all my keystrokes are going through a 100 baud modem.

-- 
 Brady Montz
 bradym@cs.arizona.edu

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>>>>> "Brady" == Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu> writes:

    Brady> I have heard of many people with this problem. I have it as
    Brady> well. Some people say that it's related to the number of
    Brady> frames, and that decreasing the number of frames helps. I
    Brady> personally never use more than 2 frames, and for me it
    Brady> seems to be related the the number of buffers. Also, some
    Brady> people claim that the function menu or font lock mode is at
    Brady> fault.

When it happens for me, it is because one of the exposed buffers has a
large number of highlighted items. Usually just hiding it or
iconifying the frame where it is displayed is enough.

Richard.

-- 
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| Richard Cognot           | Proceed, with fingers crossed... |
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| <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> |             `'                   |
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    1 - 9 0 0 - 8 2 5 - 6 0 0 0  xt  9 7 9 4
    1 - 9 0 0 - 8 2 5 - 6 0 0 0  xt  9 7 9 4
    1 - 9 0 0 - 8 2 5 - 6 0 0 0  xt  9 7 9 4

2.99/min  


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> Hi folks
> 
> 	Sorry if this a stupid question, but I have not been able to 
> figure out how does one run an executable e.g. a.out from within 
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> the command line.

M-! a.out RET

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Hi,
I just noticed a couple of English prose problems in the ILISP
announcement.  Be assured that my proficiency in Lisp is better than
that of my English :) (No,  there are no functions with italian names
in the release. :) )

Also, the file which you will want to download might be called

	ilisp-5.8-aXX.tar.gz or
	ilisp-5.8-aXX.tgz

Please try to use it and let us know what you think.

Happy Lisping

-- 
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===============================================================================
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				Bertholdt Brecht

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ILISP v5.8 finally made it to the Net! This is mainly a bug fix
release with some extensions. ILISP is now better "aligned" with the
latest Emacs releases and some very and some very annoying bugs have
been tracked down. We encourage all the ILISP users to upgrade and
to send feedback to the maintainers.

Here is some ILISP propaganda which you all will want to read.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The README file
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ILISP is a powerful GNU Emacs interface to many dialects of Lisp,
including Lucid, Allegro, Harlequin LispWorks, GCL, KCL, AKCL, ECL, IBCL,
and CMUCL.  Also some Scheme implementations are supported as well as
a preliminary version of Xlisp/XlispStat.

Written by Chris McConnell <ccm+@cs.cmu.edu> and now maintained by
Marco Antoniotti <marcoxa@icsi.berkeley.edu> and
Rick Campbell <campbell@c2.net>.

Please refer to the following files in this directory:
 HISTORY:	A detailed summary of changes over the course of ILISP's
		existence.
 GETTING-ILISP:	Directions for obtaining this collection using
		anonymous FTP.
 INSTALLATION:	Directions about how to install ILISP and specific
		dialect needs.

Please send bug reports, questions, suggestions, etc. to:
  ILISP Discussion <ilisp@naggum.no>

Please address all list administration messages, such as requests to
subscribe or unsubscribe from ilisp@naggum.no, to:
  ILISP Administrivia <ilisp-request@naggum.no>

See http://www.c2.net/~campbell/ilisp/ or
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~campbell/ilisp/ for more information.



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The GETTING-ILISP file
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FTP directions
==============

You can get the distribution file, `ilisp-5.8.tar.gz' via anonymous
FTP from `FTP.CS.CMU.EDU' (128.2.206.173) in
`/afs/cs/user/campbell/http/ilisp/'.

% ftp ftp.cs.cmu.edu
Name (ftp.cs.cmu.edu:rickc): anonymous
331 Guest login ok, send username@node as password.
Password: YOUR-USER-ID@YOUR-HOSTNAME
ftp> cd /afs/cs/user/campbell/http/ilisp
250 Directory path set to /afs/cs/user/campbell/http/ilisp.
ftp> type binary
200 Type set to I.
ftp> get ilisp-5.8.tar.gz
200 PORT command successful.
150 Opening data connection for ilisp-5.8.tar.gz.
226 Transfer complete.
local: ilisp-5.8.tar.gz remote: ilisp-5.8.tar.gz
168801 bytes received.
ftp> quit
221 Goodbye.

Or get whatever single files you need from the `untarred'
subdirectory.

You can also get `ilisp-5.8.tar.gz' via anonymous FTP from
`FTP.ICSI.BERKELEY.EDU' in either `/pub/software/elisp/' or
`/pub/theory/marcoxa/elisp/'.




WWW directions
==============

You can use the World Wide Web (WWW) to get the distribution file from
the anonymous FTP locations using one of the following URLs:
   * ftp://ftp.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/campbell/http/ilisp/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

   * ftp://ftp.icsi.berkeley.edu/pub/software/elisp/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

   * ftp://ftp.icsi.berkeley.edu/pub/theory/marcoxa/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

   You can also use the CMU Artificial Intelligence Repository:

   http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Web/Groups/AI/html/repository.html

>From there follow: `LISP', `UTIL', `EMACS' and finally `ILISP'.  Use
your browser capabilities to download what you need.

The complete URL for the distribution file in the CMU AI Repository is
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/util/emacs/ilisp/v57/ilisp57.tgz

Other URLs for the distribution file include:
   * http://www.c2.net/~campbell/ilisp/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

   * http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~campbell/ilisp/ilisp-5.8.tar.gz

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Excerpts from the HISTORY file
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# -*- Mode: Text -*-

ILISP HISTORY

===============================================================================
Version 5.8 alpha

Fixes and enhancements since 5.7

-- XLISP and XLISPSTAT support has been added on an experimental way.
   Please give us feedback on their behavior.

-- There is now a way to disable the DEFPACKAGE feature for GCL.  But
   it is not turned on.  You have to fix it manually by transforming two
   '#[+-](and nil gcl)' into '#[+-](and t gcl)'

-- A few fixes were made to realign ILISP to Xemacs 19.14

-- The file 'clisp.lisp' has been renamed to 'cl-ilisp.lisp', in order
   to avoid confusion with the CLISP implementation of Common Lisp.

-- The file ILISP.prj (if present) can be safely ignored unless you
   want to use the PRCS project control system
   (http://xcf.berkeley.edu/~jmacd/prcs.html)

-- Changed 'comint-ipc' and 'bridge'. They now use
   'process-send-string' instead of defining specialized versions of
   it. (This was done because it appears that the newer versions of
   'comint' have a 'process-send-string' that does what these specialized
   versions used to do.)

-- Added constant '+ilisp-emacs-minor-version-number+' (in 'ilcompat').

-- Conditionalized loading of 'bridge.el' (in 'ilisp').

-- Fixed the annoying ECL/GCL glitch in 'ilisp-kcl' and the error
   regexps for KCL and IBCL in the same file

-- Patched 'comint-ipc' according to suggestion by Kazuhiro Fujieda.

-- Patched 'ilisp-out'  according to suggestion by Kazuhiro Fujieda.


Known Bugs

-- Allegro multiprocessing output handling is still broken.  This is a
   though one and the maintaners cannot fix it.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version 5.7

Fixes and enhancements since 5.6:

-- ILISP now unpacks in a directory called ./ilisp-<version>.

-- Fixed various simple bugs in the init files (hooks et
   similia). Check 'ilisp.el' and 'ilisp.emacs' for details.

-- Support for different Emacs versions has been broken down in
   various version specific files. See:
	ilcompat.el (new name for compatibility file)
	ilfsf19.el
	ilfsf18.el
	illuc19.el = ilxemacs.el

-- ILISP is now compiled with version 19 bytecodes when
   appropriate. (This should work at least for FSF 19.xx).

-- Added a primitive menubar entry.

-- Included the bug fixes for source file tracking.

-- The Makefile now contains a new target called 'loadfile', which
   generates a file called 'ilisp-all.elc'. This speeds up ILISP sturtup.

-- Popping to the inferior lisp buffer is now done in a more
   intelligent way in FSF-19 (i.e. if a frame with the appropriate
   window is available, then that frame is raised instead of
   recreating a window in the current one).

-- The ILD uniform Lisp debugger by J. Siskind has been added to the
   distribution (file 'ild.mail').  ILD is not integrated yet with
   ILISP, but it is important enough that people should experiment
   with it.

-- The texinfo file has been fixed.

-- New dialects have been added: GCL, ECL, Harlequin Lispworks, CLISP.

-- The special-form-p/special-operator-p mess should be fixed (at
   least in CMUCL).

-- Cleaned up support for Lucid, Allegro and CMULISP.

-- The file 'scheme2c.mail' contains a trick to make Scheme->C to work
   with ILISP.

-- The file 'ilisp-s2c.el' contains a first cut definition of the
   Scheme->C dialect. Note that this file is neither byte compiled nor
   loaded.


Known bugs:

-- Keymap handling is still rather inflexible. Either you like the
   setup or you don't. (A patch by Kimball Collins was not inserted in
   the code because we feel there should be a more thorough cleanup).

-- AKCL and GCL may cause an error in the sturtup procedure of ILISP. We (the
   maintainers) have been unable to track down this one since we have
   not access to an AKCL or GCL environment. Please help us.

-- Source level tracking for interpreted code in CMUCL may still break down
   unexpectedly. This is due to the inner working of CMUCL and there
   is no easy fix. We try to fall back on the TAG machinery.

-- The menu entry does not track correctly the status of the inferior
   lisp. I.e. there is no code yet that disables the menu items when
   the inferior Lisp is not running anymore.

-- Package tracking is still somewhat flaky.

-- Multiprocessing Lisps may still cause problems with prompts. This
   has been noticed especially with Allegro CL.

-- The "send the source even if compiled file file exist" bug is still
   in place.


===============================================================================
Mon, 11 Jul 94 10:48:24 EDT  Version 5.6 Released

-- Works once again with GNU emacs 19.25, lemacs 19.10. and emacs 18.58.

-- The popper facility has been completely replaced by a much less
   intrusive facility which has most of the original functionality.
   All ilisp output is funneled through the function which is the value 
   of the variable ilisp-display-output-function.  Several sample display 
   functions are provided.  Do c-H m in an ilisp buffer for more info.

-- The common lisp arglist printer has been prettified somewhat.

-- Ilisp no longer tries to handle lisp errors by default.  This is
   controlled by the varible ilisp-handle-errors.

-- Many of the hairy regexps used to located definitions have been
   broken out into separate variables. One is ilisp-cl-source-locater-patterns,
   which is an alist of (function-type regexp)

-- Compile-defun, eval-defun and friends display the returned lisp value.

-- Defined variables for the init files for the built-in dialects, to ease
   customization (ilisp-clisp-init-file, etc).

-- Some handy new functions: ilisp-lispm-bindings, repair-ilisp.

-- A minor bugfix in ilisp-send.

-- A simplified makefile.

===============================================================================
Fixes in 5.5:

-- Now works with lemacs 19.8 (to be released soon) in addition to all
   the other versions of emacs around.

	.............

======================================================================
 8/22/90 Version 2.0 released. Fixed bugs and changed initialization.

======================================================================
 6/11/90 Version 1.0 released.


-- 
Marco Antoniotti - Resistente Umano
===============================================================================
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===============================================================================
	...it is simplicity that is difficult to make.
	...e` la semplicita` che e` difficile a farsi.
				Bertholdt Brecht

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Hi,

I have started a page on Emacs at http://www.csc.uvic.ca/~jk/emacs.html.

I have included some links to Emacs resources in the Web. I wish to
make it a very exhaustive page with maximum information.

If you maintain a page on Emacs or know of any resources on the net,
Pl drop me a mail. I will add it to my page.

Thanks,

Emacs-Addict.

JK


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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
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A response to my own posting: I WAS able to get my non Unix ftp server
to allow ange-ftp connections.  This took a while. After several
attempts, issuing:
 
M-x ange-ftp-add-dumb-unix-host

worked! The ftp server on the Netware host began accepting
file/directory editing commands.  I had attributed previous failures to
the fact that this was not a dumb _Unix_ host but merely a dumb one.

Now if I could only figure out how to review an already read article in
GNUS... I wouldn't have to post this from Netscape News (surely GNUS is
the only program that NS is faster smaller and lighter program than) so
it threads on the old subject properly...

*sigh* Xemacs and GNUS: for some it's work; for others, a full-time
hobby...  ;*)

Graham Todd
Toronto, Ontario

http://www.yorku.ca/faculty/academic/gtodd/linux/

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    Hi, [CC too if you can]

    I'm again faced with XE and Emacs incompatible, this time with
    the following. My idea is to ignore all errors while in
    condition-case

    In Emacs that is done like this:

    (condition-case nil
      (delete-file "~/WEREW")
      (error nil))

    But in XEmacs it says
    (condition-case VAR BODYFORM HANDLERS...)
        HANDLERS looks like (CONDITION-NAME BODY...)
        .. As a special case, a CONDITION-NAME of t matches
        .. all errors

    According to this I tried to rewrite the example like this

    (condition-case nil
      (delete-file "~/WEREW")
      (t nil))

    But then I get Backtrace:

Signalling: (file-error "Removing old name" "no such file or directory" "/users/jaalto/WEREW")
  ange-ftp-real-delete-file("/users/jaalto/WEREW")
  delete-file("~/WEREW")
  (condition-case nil (delete-file "~/WEREW") (t nil))
)


    Would someone familiar to XEmacs please show me what the correct
    way to ignore all errors.

    /jari

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Does anyone know where I might get an eiffel mode for emacs 19 or xemacs?

Thanks a lot,  -Josh
___________________________________________________________________
Josh Berdine                                       ab289@city.ac.uk
Undergraduate - Computer Science  |  City University  |  London, UK


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A response to my own posting: I WAS able to get my non Unix ftp server
to allow ange-ftp connections.  This took a while. After several
attempts, issuing:
 
M-x ange-ftp-add-dumb-unix-host

worked! The ftp server on the Netware host began accepting
file/directory editing commands.  I had attributed previous failures to
the fact that this was not a dumb _Unix_ host but merely a dumb one.

Now if I could only figure out how to review an already read article in
GNUS... I wouldn't have to post this from Netscape News (surely GNUS is
the only program that NS is faster smaller and lighter than) so
it threads on the old subject properly...

*sigh* Xemacs and GNUS: for some it's work; for others, a full-time
hobby...  ;*)

Graham Todd
Toronto, Ontario

http://www.yorku.ca/faculty/academic/gtodd/linux/

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Sorry everyone about the multiple postings...

My general GNU dumbness is being looked into.

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I'm just getting into the Linux world, I'm trying out Xemacs 19.14 on a
Linux box running Red Hat Linux 4.0 w/ default installation.  Xemacs
will not start unless I have my SLIP interface active!  It doesn't give
any error messages, never displays anything, but it DOES appear on the
process list.  When I activate SLIP, everything is fine!

I assume it has something to do with the Web browser and trying to look
up a host or something.  This comes from a pre-compiled binary so maybe
something isn't set up . . .

How do I get it to start "normally"?    

I appreciate any help on this at all - thank you in advance!

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux


	By following your example from lispref.info-8
	'Writing Code to Handle Errors' there is example

     (condition-case nil
         (delete-file filename)
       (error nil))

	This code works without problems in Emacs(19.28), but when I run
	it in XEmacs it gives me error if the variable
	debug-on-signal is set to t.

	Are you sure that this is a good idea? This means that
	if user had turned on the var, then the package that tries to
	ignore certain errors will stop working.

	Please at least write in BIG LETTERS, in the lispref
	manual that the condition-case statement will not work
	if the signal debug is enabled. Now the signal debug
	and how it affets condition-case is not mentioned.

	/jari


Signalling: (void-variable filename)
  (delete-file filename)
)
  (condition-case nil (delete-file filename) (error nil))
)
  eval((condition-case nil (delete-file filename) (error nil)))
  eval-interactive((condition-case nil (delete-file filename) (error nil)))
  eval-last-sexp(nil)
  call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)


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From: Morgan Fletcher <morgan@hahaha.org>
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Earlier I posted some questions here about sgml-mode in xemacs. I still
have some problems; sgml-validate and sgml-parse-prolog don't work,
fontification/indentation don't work properly and I think I've incorrectly
setup sgml.

Here's what I've done to setup sgml-mode in xemacs 19.14:

 o created ~/sgml, and recursively copied into that all the files in
   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml.
 o went to www.webtechs.com (at Steve Baur's urging) and retrieved sgmls
   (as part of Mark Gaither's html-check toolset.) I installed it in
   /usr/local/bin and removed the /usr/bin/sgmls that came with redhat 4.0.
 o downloaded Mark Gaither's collection of
   DTDs.(ftp://ftp.webtechs.com/pub/html/html.dtds.tar.Z) and placed the
   files in ~/sgml.
 o downloaded Mark Gaither's CATALOG
   (http://www.webtechs.com/html-tk/src/lib/catalog) and placed it in
   ~/sgml as well.
 o added the following to my .emacs:

  ;;; Set up psgml-mode
  (autoload 'sgml-mode "psgml" "Major mode to edit SGML files." t )
  (setq sgml-catalog-files
        '("/home/morgan/sgml/CATALOG" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml/CATALOG"))
  (setq sgml-system-path 
        '("/home/morgan/sgml" "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/etc/sgml"))
  (setq sgml-validate-command
        "sgmls -s -m /home/morgan/sgml/CATALOG %s %s")
  (setq auto-mode-alist
        (append '(
                  ("\\.html\\'" . sgml-mode)
                  ("\\.htm\\'" .  sgml-mode)
                  )
                auto-mode-alist
                )
        )
  (setq-default html-helper-new-buffer-template
  	      '(html-helper-htmldtd-version
  		"<HTML>\n"
  		"<HEAD>\n"
  		"<TITLE>" (p "Document Title: " title) "</TITLE>\n"
  		"</HEAD>\n\n"
  		"<BODY>\n"
  		"<H1>" (s title) "</H1>\n\n"
  		p
  		"\n</BODY>\n</HTML>\n"))
  (setq sgml-set-face t)

Unfortunately, things don't quite seem right. I want to use the HTML 3.2
DTD. I manually insert the string:

  <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Draft//EN">

...at the top of my .html file, but when I do sgml-parse-prolog, I get:

  External entity html not found
    Public identifier -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Draft//EN

Many other commands, like sgml-normalize and sgml-validate don't seem to
work right, and fontification/indentation don't work for newer tags (like
<applet>). What have I done wrong?

Also, now that I've added Mr. Gaither's DTD's and CATALOG, what do I have
to update in my ~/sgml directory? Do I update ECAT? How does it get
updated? What about cdtd, which seems to contain compiled DTDs -- what
should I change in there? Do I have to change/update ISOlat1.sgml, or the
contents of ISO_8879:1986? How can I be sure that the stuff in my ~/sgml is
really being used? Is there a command to insert a doctype line of my
choosing in the top of each new .html document? I set sgml-set-face to "t",
but I still have to parse each new document manually for fontification to
begin. How do I make xemacs automatically parse newly-opened documents?

My offer of writing a `newbie's guide' to psgml-mode in emacs still stands,
but it is pending some basic comprehension and success on my part.

Thanks for reading this far,

morgan
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From: marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl (Marcel Meuwissen)
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Hello,

About a month ago I posted my problem running xemacs 19.14 under 
X11/Linux. I recieved some replies, but unfortunatly the problem is 
still not solved. Here is my problem:
I installed Linux 2.0.12-ELF (Slackware 3.1, Infomagic, September 1996)
on my stand-alone i486DX2-50 (20 Mb RAM). Then, I tried to compile 
XEmacs 19.14 by:

./configure --with-database=no
make

During compilation I get no error messages. In text mode XEmacs runs 
fine, but when I try to execute it on X, nothing happens. I get no 
error messages at all. When I press ^C I hear a beep, xemacs prints 
"Quit" in the xterm and I get my shell-prompt back. I have no problems
running XEmacs 19.13 on the same machine and previously I had no 
problems running XEmacs 19.14 on Linux 1.2.8-a.out (Slackware 2.3).

The output of "configure" reports that X11 support is compiled in. I 
checked my "/etc/hosts" which looks OK. Can someone please help me?

Cheers,
MarcelM

marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl

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gnuserv-2.0beta works for me with 19.34 - no problem.

gnuserv-2.1alpha ALWAYS fails with

gnudoit: Connection refused
gnudoit: unable to connect to remote

So I just stick with beta.

-- 
Sam Steingold

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Tuan Pham-Dinh wrote:
> 
> papier@u-strasbg.fr (Laurent Papier) writes:
> 
> > I don't like the new dialog-box in xemacs-19.14.
> > How can I disable this feature, and switch back to xemacs-19.13 file
> > selection in mini-buffer ?
> 

Here is a fix that I use, if you are interested. Its a hack but works
most of the time. Of course I would appreciate it if someone came up
with a better method.


;; Override default function to stop the use of dialog boxes.
(defun should-use-dialog-box-p () nil)


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    Hello out there!

   Sorry, if this is a FAQ:

   I am using a   PPP connection to get my   Linux  box connected to   my
provider, and I  use XEmacs and GNUS for  reading/writing news.  There is
no problem  reading and posting   news online,  but  I  wonder  if it  is
possible to  use GNUS as  a news-offline-reader??  I know  I can  set the
newsserver to be the "localhost", so I can connect  to my own machine for
reading news.  But this would require downloading the newsgroups/articles
that I am interested in from the news server first.

   Can  I   tell GNUS to   catch all  articles  in all  newsgroups that I
subscribed to in one go and store them locally  so I can read them later,
not beeing online?  (And thus reducing the telephon bill ;-) Is there any
other Lisp program for XEmacs to archieve this?

   Thanks for any clue,


              Wolfgang.
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Jari Aalto (ssjaaa@uta.fi) wrote:
>     In Emacs that is done like this:
>     (condition-case nil
>       (delete-file "~/WEREW")
>       (error nil))

And it works in XEmacs too -- at least for me it does, and I've seen
it used in quite a few packages.

>     But in XEmacs it says
>     (condition-case VAR BODYFORM HANDLERS...)
>         HANDLERS looks like (CONDITION-NAME BODY...)
>         .. As a special case, a CONDITION-NAME of t matches
>         .. all errors

Yes.  But why would you want to catch *all* errors (even Quit and
Co.).  You don't use it in GNU Emacs either -- you use just (error
nil).

Anyway...
>     According to this I tried to rewrite the example like this
>     (condition-case nil
>       (delete-file "~/WEREW")
>       (t nil))
>     But then I get Backtrace:

Strange -- I don't.  Is this verbatim -- if you can repeat this,
please send in more details -- it might be a bug in XEmacs.

>     Would someone familiar to XEmacs please show me what the correct
>     way to ignore all errors.
(condition-case nil
  (delete-file "whatever")
  (error nil))

-- 
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Jari Aalto (jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi) wrote:
> 	This code works without problems in Emacs(19.28), but when I run
> 	it in XEmacs it gives me error if the variable
> 	debug-on-signal is set to t.
> 
> 	Are you sure that this is a good idea? This means that
> 	if user had turned on the var, then the package that tries to
> 	ignore certain errors will stop working.

Yes, yes, of course!  Haven't you read the manual?  That's what
debug-on-signal does -- DON'T turn it ON!

Documentation:
*Non-nil means enter debugger if an error is signalled.
The debugger will be entered whether or not the error is handled by
a `condition-case'.

> 	Please at least write in BIG LETTERS, in the lispref
> 	manual that the condition-case statement will not work
> 	if the signal debug is enabled. Now the signal debug
> 	and how it affets condition-case is not mentioned.

It is properly described in the documentation of debug-on-signal.
Arguably, it should be at least mentioned in condition-case manual.
Anyway, debug-on-signal is not supposed to be turned on unless you
know *exactly* what you are doing.  BTW, I believe debug-on-signal
will be in the next version of GNU Emacs, with exactly the same
functionality.

-- 
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Wolfgang Mettbach (wolle@uni-paderborn.de) wrote:
>    Can  I   tell GNUS to   catch all  articles  in all  newsgroups that I
> subscribed to in one go and store them locally  so I can read them later,
> not beeing online?  (And thus reducing the telephon bill ;-) Is there any
> other Lisp program for XEmacs to archieve this?

The one true XEmacs package is named (of course) Gnus.  Make sure that
you use the latest version of XEmacs (19.14) and look up the
documentation for creation of SOUP packets.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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rritchie@britannia-life.co.uk writes:

> Add (require 'dired-chmod) to enable interactive permission editing.

About dired-chmod,  when using it I am able to set a flag but no to
unset it.

-- 
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Angelo Addante <addante@teseo.it> writes:

>   I am searching for the best java font lock mode lisp package to
> use with Xemacs.

Try cc-mode

-- 
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Angelo Addante (addante@teseo.it) wrote:
> Hello all,
>   I am searching for the best java font lock mode lisp package to
> use with Xemacs.

Java mode with its own font-lock-keywords comes by default with XEmacs
19.14.

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there are sed scripts to capitalize words
in batch mode.
some such were recently posted to comp.editors, etc
they are or will be featured in one of

http://www.wollery.demon.co.uk
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/sed/
http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~leitner/sed/


Franz-Josef Knelangen (fjk@funhouse.downtown.de) wrote:
: pete@cloud9.net (Peter Leftwich) writes:


: >    If you have a whole phrase like "this is the sentence to fix,"
: >    I know there is a way to mark the beginning, go to the end and then
: >    do a keystroke that changes each FIRST letter of each word to Upper.
: > 
: > Anyone?  Thanks a bunch. (PS Life's SO much bet'r with auto-fill-mode OFF)
: > 
: ESC-X capitalize-region

: BTW, pressing ESC-C capitalizes the current word and jumps to the
: beginning of the next one ...

: cu: FJK

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Str8.Man@nice.folks.com writes:
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Can this list be moderated?  What can be done?

--Frustrated in St. Louis

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From: Bryan Kramer <bryan.kramer@hydro.on.ca>
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I've been getting a lot of requests for the location of my
search-menu.el package, a package that opens a small window with fields
for search and replace in xemacs (like modern word processor dialog
boxes). It also contains a general mechanism for interpreting a data
structure for creating different dialog boxes.

It can be found at

ftp://ftp.cs.toronto.edu/pub/kr/search-menu.el.Z

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bpm@terraweb.com writes:
 > Can this list be moderated?  What can be done?
 > 

Brian, this is mostly a "help desk" group (my 20 lire) --- as opposed
to a "discussion" group

while moderation of a "discussion" group is a last resort, for "help
desk" groups moderation is not a solution (another 20 lire :)

we have to take the occasional random posting as a mild sign of the
Evil, and suffer in silence

if someone has _pointers_ regarding what to with random postings,
i.e., tracing the real posting host, what persons are liable to
intervene against the posters, etc, please let us know

ciao

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%% Sam Steingold <sds@ptc.com> writes:

  ss> gnuserv-2.0beta works for me with 19.34 - no problem.
  ss> gnuserv-2.1alpha ALWAYS fails with

  ss> gnudoit: Connection refused
  ss> gnudoit: unable to connect to remote

  ss> So I just stick with beta.

The other option you have is to examine the gnuserv man page where it
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>>>>> "Graham" == Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca> writes:

    Graham> Now if I could only figure out how to review an
    Graham> already read article in GNUS... I wouldn't have to
    Graham> post this from Netscape News (surely GNUS is the only

What I do is catchup with all the unread articles in the group,
go to the *Group* buffer and select the newsgroup again. You are
asked how many read articles you want to see, and you select the
number of articles in which you expect yours to be. Of course, if
it has already expired on your news server ..



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From: alfordjj@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu (Jared J. Alford)
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I'm trying to build xemacs (with gcc) on a DECstation 5000/240 running 
ultrix4.2, and everything works fine until it tries to link.  At that point,
I get this error:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
              0 in the positive direction,
         220336 in the negative direction.
ge in .text section for relocation entry 519 for symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation entry 527 fo
r symbol: my_edata
emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs with is 12
Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
-count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).

I've tried to compile with different -G numbers, but I just get the same error 
with a different recommendation for the -G number.  Can anyone offer me some
advice on this?  Thanks.
Jared Alford
alfordjj@purdue.edu

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I am an emacs user. But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
the xemacs www site. It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is superior
to emacs.

Can I take them straight? 
Is emacs inferior to xemacs?
If so, why emacs is still around. Why doesn't every one switch to xemacs?

It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior to
xemacs.

Mike

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Try C-x b to switch to the next buffer

cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu writes:
 > Hi,
 > 
 > Is there a way to switch to the next or previous buffer with a single
 > command (keystroke)?
 > 
 > It seems like an unnecesary pain to bring up the list of buffers, and then
 > select one, rather than just swithching to the next or previous buffer.
 > 
 > Thanks,
 > 
 > -Chris
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From: shecht@ibm.net (Dan Shechter)
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So I made a terrible mistake and decided to show pixmaps in xemacs
buffers.

I made a bigger mistake by trying to display REALLY big pixmaps in a
buffer.

except for the "usual" things that wouldn't work, but were'nt all to
important, to things really pissed me off:

xemacs treats a pxmap (glyph) as a charachter, which means that by the
time I try to scroll over a pixmap that's 2 times longer than the
length of the buffer, IT WON'T!

so I got over this by slicing every pixmap into sizeable slices (for
example 16 pixels high)...

but then, I can't scroll the buffer to left and right although I did
turn on the hori. scrollbar, all of this because there is no text
aside from the pixmap in the buffer. the moment iinsert some text
after the pixmap, everything works...

Does anyone know a better way of doing so?
Does anyone know a reliable lisp package that does this?
Does this have to do with me using xemacs 19.13

           help will be greatly appriciated.
           thank you, dan.

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m> Can I take them straight?  Is emacs inferior to xemacs?

It depends on what you want to do.  GNU Emacs is much less bloated,
and faster, than XEmacs, but it has a much less "finished" look to it.
On the other hand, it doesn't handle graphics, nor is it integrated
with Sun's development environment nearly as nicely as XEmacs.  On the
third hand, XEmacs's support for character terminals totally bites, so
GNU Emacs is still the best choice for distance editing.

m> It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than
m> xemacs.  Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

Although the differences between GNU Emacs and XEmacs are many, the
actual differences in functionality are sufficiently small that the
choice is more a matter of preference and religion than clear
technical superiority.

For what it's worth, I use both GNU Emacs and XEmacs all the time.

	<b

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Mike Humski (mhk@rahul.net) wrote:
> Can I take them straight? 
> Is emacs inferior to xemacs?
> If so, why emacs is still around. Why doesn't every one switch to xemacs?
> It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
> Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

GNU Emacs (maintained by the FSF) is inferior to XEmacs (maintained by
the XEmacs Advocacy Group) in *some* aspects.  In other, GNU Emacs is
superior.

XEmacs has a much better integration with the X Window system, is in
some aspects nicer to work with, especially for beginners.  It has
toolbars and horizontal scrollbars, it can display proportional fonts,
comes with more bundled packages, and has a host of other features.
Furthermore, it can display arbitrary graphics within its buffers and
play various sounds, which makes it quite ahead of GNU Emacs in many
fields of usage.

However, GNU Emacs is at the moment faster than XEmacs.  It has a
larger base of users, and more packages work on it unchanged than on
XEmacs.  Furthermore, Emacs can be used on a larger base of systems,
like MS-DOS or Windows, where the current XEmacs has not yet been
ported.  It is sponsored and developed by the FSF, which can be a
reason for itself to be used by many.

There are philosofical differences between approaches to Lisp
implementations.  Whereas XEmacs developers advocate data abstraction
(like specialized types for keymaps etc.), GNU Emacs developers are
against it.

As always, I tend to think that the most important thing is getting
used to something.  I began with XEmacs, got used to it, and do not
intend to change.  Yes, I like speed of GNU Emacs, but then again GNU
Emacs users like the graphics they see in my buffers.  All of it works
both ways, and people have strong feelings in these matters.

> If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior to
> xemacs.

I hope this helped.  And yes, I did try to be objective and I *do*
hope that this won't bring about another flame war.  But then again,
it's been quite some time from the last one.... ;-)

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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       the Emacs religion.

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Problem:

1. Fired up XEmacs-19.14 on tty.

2. Tried to modify a file (junk) also being accessed and "locked" by
Xemacs process from another terminal (ss10) resulting in mini-buffer
message:

	gabor locking /us/gabor/junk: action (s,q,p,?)?

The cursor remained in text window.

3. Any key I hit (s,p,?) results in following message:

	Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, (meta h)

Therefore I am unable to (steal) modify a "locked" file accessed from
a tty.

Env: Xemacs-19.14, sol2.5, ss10, vt220 emulation.

Is this a bug?  Is there a fix?

Andy
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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi> writes:

Jari> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux
Jari> 	By following your example from lispref.info-8
Jari> 	'Writing Code to Handle Errors' there is example

Jari>      (condition-case nil
Jari>          (delete-file filename)
Jari>        (error nil))

Jari> 	This code works without problems in Emacs(19.28), but when I run
Jari> 	it in XEmacs it gives me error if the variable
Jari> 	debug-on-signal is set to t.

Jari> 	Are you sure that this is a good idea? This means that
Jari> 	if user had turned on the var, then the package that tries to
Jari> 	ignore certain errors will stop working.

This variable is not intended for users and normal usage.  It is for
developers who presumably know what they are doing.

C-h v debug-on-signal
debug-on-signal's value is nil
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
*Non-nil means enter debugger if an error is signalled.
The debugger will be entered whether or not the error is handled by
a `condition-case'.
If the value is a list, an error only means to enter the debugger
if one of its condition symbols appears in the list.
See also variable `debug-on-quit'.

Jari> 	Please at least write in BIG LETTERS, in the lispref
Jari> 	manual that the condition-case statement will not work
Jari> 	if the signal debug is enabled. Now the signal debug
Jari> 	and how it affets condition-case is not mentioned.

Wait until GNU Emacs 19.35 when the same facility is implemented with
a different name (debug-force) :-(.
-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Chris" == cbarker  <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

    Chris> What I'm looking for is similar behavior to
    Chris> mouse-track-do-rectangle, but from the keyboard.

You have to set the variable mouse-track-rectangle-p. I've set up
a function to toggle it's value, and bound it to f11:

(defun toggle-rectangle-mousing () (interactive)
  (if mouse-track-rectangle-p
      (progn
	(message "Set Rectangular Mousing to FALSE")
	(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p nil))
    (progn
      (message "Set Rectangular Mousing to TRUE")
      (setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t))))

(global-set-key [f11] 'toggle-rectangle-mousing)        

Hope this helps,
Sailesh

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From: sadams@metro.net (Sean Adams)
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Subject: Re: Running XEmacs 19.14 on X11/Linux
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In article <55kaqa$e3s@tuegate.tue.nl>, marcelm@wfw.wtb.tue.nl (Marcel Meuwissen) wrote:
>../configure --with-database=no
>make
>
  Interesting, what is this option supposed to do? (I obviously missed it.)

>During compilation I get no error messages. In text mode XEmacs runs 
>fine, but when I try to execute it on X, nothing happens. I get no 
>error messages at all. When I press ^C I hear a beep, xemacs prints 
>"Quit" in the xterm and I get my shell-prompt back. I have no problems
>running XEmacs 19.13 on the same machine and previously I had no 
>problems running XEmacs 19.14 on Linux 1.2.8-a.out (Slackware 2.3).
>

I had essentially the same symptoms you describe.  Additionally, I found that 
as root, I could run Xemacs.  I found that the DISPLAY environment variable 
was the culprit.  When I was root, DISPLAY was "brain:0.0" and when I wasn't 
root it was ":0.0".  Apparently Xemacs wants a hostname as part of the display 
name.  I added the following two lines to my /usr/X11R6/bin/startx script 
(note the backquotes):
DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0
export DISPLAY

Xemacs has run fine since then.
Good Luck
Sean
sadams@mail.metro.net
adams@zippy.sonoma.edu

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Hi there,

I am fairly new to linux (suse distribution) and I would like my xemacs
to be configured as a tex environement. So far it seems to be mainly for
compiling C code. I have already tried to interprete the HOWTO files,
corresponding to the tex.el files, but could not figure out how to get
it to work. The .emacs and the start-site dir seems to be left alone?

What do I have to do?
Thanks in advance 
Carsten

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>>>>> "cbarker" == cbarker  <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

cbarker Hi,
cbarker Is there a way to switch to the next or previous buffer with a single
cbarker command (keystroke)?

cbarker It seems like an unnecesary pain to bring up the list of buffers, and then
cbarker select one, rather than just swithching to the next or previous buffer.

May I humbly offer this wonderful piece of code. Originally written by Bob
Weiner and posted (and possibly modified) by Tom Horsley.

Then add these in your .emacs:

  (load-file "buff-sel")
  (define-key global-map [(f31)] 'select-buffer-other-window)

;; buf-sel.el
;; =====================================================================
;;     usenet: thorsley@ssd.csd.harris.com  USMail: Tom Horsley
;; compuserve: 76505,364                         511 Kingbird Circle
;;      genie: T.HORSLEY                         Delray Beach, FL  33444
;; ======================== Aging: Just say no! ========================
;;
;; This file provides an interactive buffer-list capability.
;; When the function select-buffer is invoked, the minibuffer
;; prompts you for another buffer to select.  The default is the second
;; buffer on the buffer-list.  Also, all the keys that are normally
;; bound to next-line and previous-line are bound to functions that
;; navigate through the buffer list.  Any keys bound to kill-buffer
;; are rebound to a function that will kill the buffer currently
;; named in the minibuffer, then move to the next buffer on the list.
;; This is a faster means of selecting another buffer than buffer-menu
;; is, but with most of the power.
;; 
;; Bob Weiner, Motorola, Inc., 4/5/89
;;   Added 'select-buffer-other-window' command bound to {C-x4b}
;;   usually.
;; 
;; Bob Weiner, Motorola, Inc., 10/3/91
;;   Eliminated inefficient recursion for computing buffer list.
;;   This eliminated error of passing max-lisp-eval-depth when working
;;     with many buffers.
;;   Added completion to 'select-buffer' so it works like standard
;;     'switch-to-buffer' function.
;;
;; We have gotten to where we use this technique for several of the
;; packages we have written where something prompts for input, each
;; command keeps its own history list so you can quickly cycle through
;; the previous input to just that command.
;; 
;; It is very handy to rebind the keys where next line is, so you can
;; continue to use any cursor keys.
;;
;; (autoload 'select-buffer "buff-sel" nil t)
;; (global-set-key "\C-xb" 'select-buffer)
;; (global-set-key "\C-x4b" 'select-buffer-other-window)

(defvar buffer-select-list-index 0 "Index into buffer-list")

(defvar buffer-select-local-list nil "Local copy of buffer-list")

(defvar buffer-select-minibuffer-map
  (copy-keymap minibuffer-local-must-match-map)
  "This is a copy of the minibuffer completion keymap with all the keys that
were bound to next-line now bound to buffer-select-next and all the keys
that were bound to previous-line now bound to buffer-select-prev.")

(mapcar
 (function 
  (lambda (keyseq)
    (define-key buffer-select-minibuffer-map keyseq 'buffer-select-prev)))
 (where-is-internal 'previous-line nil nil))

(mapcar
 (function 
  (lambda (keyseq)
    (define-key buffer-select-minibuffer-map keyseq 'buffer-select-next)))
   (where-is-internal 'next-line nil nil))

(mapcar
 (function 
  (lambda (keyseq)
    (define-key buffer-select-minibuffer-map keyseq 'buffer-select-kill-buf)))
   (where-is-internal 'kill-buffer nil nil))

(defun make-buffer-list (buffer-list)
  "Returns names from BUFFER-LIST excluding those beginning with a space."
  (delq nil (mapcar '(lambda (b)
		       (if (= (aref (buffer-name b) 0) ? ) nil b))
		    buffer-list)))

(defun select-buffer (&optional other-window)
  "Interactively select or kill buffer using the minibuffer.
Optional argument OTHER-WINDOW non-nil means display buffer in another window.
The default buffer is the second one in the buffer-list. Other buffers can
selected either explicitly, or by using buffer-select-next and
buffer-select-prev.  Keys normally bound to next-line are bound to
buffer-select-next, those normally bound to previous-line are bound to
buffer-select-prev, and those normally bound to kill-buffer are bound to
buffer-select-kill-buf."
   (interactive)
   (let ((save-minibuffer-map minibuffer-local-must-match-map)
         inpt)
      (setq inpt
            (unwind-protect
               (progn
		 (setq minibuffer-local-must-match-map
		       buffer-select-minibuffer-map
		       buffer-select-list-index 1
		       buffer-select-local-list
		       (make-buffer-list (buffer-list)))
                  (completing-read (concat "Switch to buffer"
				      (if other-window " in other window")
				      ": ")
				   (mapcar '(lambda (buf)
					      (list (buffer-name buf)))
					   buffer-select-local-list)
				   nil t
				   (buffer-name
				    (car (cdr buffer-select-local-list))))
		  )
	      (setq minibuffer-local-must-match-map save-minibuffer-map)
	      ))
      (if other-window
	  (switch-to-buffer-other-window inpt)
	(switch-to-buffer inpt))
      ))

(defun select-buffer-other-window ()
  "See documentation for 'select-buffer'."
  (interactive)
  (select-buffer t))

(defun buffer-select-next ()
"Move to the next buffer on the buffer-list."
   (interactive)
   (erase-buffer)
   (setq buffer-select-list-index (1+ buffer-select-list-index))
   (if (>= buffer-select-list-index (length buffer-select-local-list))
       (setq buffer-select-list-index 0)
   )
   (insert (buffer-name (nth buffer-select-list-index buffer-select-local-list)))
)

(defun buffer-select-prev ()
"Move to the previous buffer on the buffer-list."
   (interactive)
   (erase-buffer)
   (setq buffer-select-list-index (1- buffer-select-list-index))
   (if (< buffer-select-list-index 0)
       (setq buffer-select-list-index (1- (length buffer-select-local-list)))
   )
   (insert (buffer-name
              (nth buffer-select-list-index buffer-select-local-list)))
)

(defun buffer-select-kill-buf ()
"Kill the buffer currently appearing in the minibuffer, then move to
the next buffer on the buffer-list."
   (interactive)
   (let
      (
         (mbuf (current-buffer))        ;; Save the minibuffer because
                                        ;; kill-buffer selects a buffer
         (kbuf (nth buffer-select-list-index buffer-select-local-list))
      )
      (message "Killing buffer %s." (buffer-name kbuf))
      (kill-buffer kbuf)
      (set-buffer mbuf)
   )
   ;; Rebuild the buffer list, so that the killed buffer doesn't appear
   ;; in it.  Under certain circumstances, the buffer might not have
   ;; gone away, such as killing "*scratch*" when it is the last buffer.
   
   (setq buffer-select-local-list (make-buffer-list (buffer-list)))
   
   ;; Fix buffer-select-list-index, in case it went off the end of
   ;; the list (in either direction, just to be absolutely safe).

   (if (< buffer-select-list-index 0)
       (setq buffer-select-list-index (1- (length buffer-select-local-list)))
   )
   (if (>= buffer-select-list-index (length buffer-select-local-list))
       (setq buffer-select-list-index 0)
   )
   (erase-buffer)
   (insert (buffer-name
              (nth buffer-select-list-index buffer-select-local-list)))
)

/* Amir J. Katz  E-mail: amir@ndsoft.com   URL: http://www.ndsoft.com */
/* EagleEye Control Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, Israel                  */
/* .. I busted a mirror and got seven years bad luck, but my        ..*/
/* .. lawyer thinks he can get me five.        (Steven Wright)      ..*/

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu, xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: problem with diary-fancy-display

my diary file contains also (as explained in the info file)

[...]
&%%(diary-astro-day-number)
&%%(diary-islamic-date)
&%%(diary-french-date)
[...]

and my .emacs has

[...]
(add-hook 'diary-display-hook 'fancy-diary-display)
[...]

it happens that when i `d' isplay the diary from the calendar buffer,
i'm told (excerpt from C-h l)


Preparing diary...
Bad sexp at line 15 in ~/.diary: (diary-islamic-date)
Bad sexp at line 16 in ~/.diary: (diary-french-date)
Preparing diary...done

if i eval, e.g., (diary-french-date) in *scratch*, i get an error, but
the function exists!

tia
								gb

ps, the details:

(insert (emacs-version))
XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05) of Wed Sep  4 1996
on pissedru (the binary distribution for HP-UX 9.0x + 10.x)

(insert (calendar-version))
Version 5.3, January 25, 1994

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: pixmaps in dialog boxes?

from emacs lisp reference:

 > Dialog Box Format
 > =================
 > 
 >    A dialog box description is a list.
 > 
 >    * The first element of the list is a string to display in the
 >      dialog box.
 > 
 >    * The rest of the elements are descriptions of the dialog box's
 >      buttons.  Each one is a vector of three elements:
 >         - The first element is the text of the button.
 > 
 >         - The second element is the "callback".
 > 
 >         - The third element is `t' or `nil', whether this button is
 >           selectable.

to my understanding, buttons are only identified by text --- my two
questions:

 1. is it possible to force a pixmap or something in place of text?

 2. in sub-order, will 19.15 provide this capability?

tia
                                                                gb

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Steven> Wait until GNU Emacs 19.35 when the same facility is implemented
Steven> with a different name (debug-force) :-(.

As rms said on the XEmacs Beta list, following Ben's request he changed
the variable name to the one used by XEmacs.

Simon.

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To switch between the two early used buffer you can add these in your .emacs:


(defun my-switch-to-buffer ()
  (interactive)
  (switch-to-buffer nil))

(global-set-key [(shift f2)] 'my-switch-to-buffer)


cbarker wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to switch to the next or previous buffer with a single
> command (keystroke)?
>

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The session had been running a while on and HP715 running HP-UX9.01.
The binary was down loaded from the HP archives at Liverpool.

The crash occured when attempting a find file with the popup widget.
At this stage the session hung and failed to respond to X event
(eg Expose didn't cause a redraw).  The first sympton was the
scroll bar disappearing from the popup widget.

Included is a trace created by XDB.

Excellent editor as always however.

Steve Jones

Eurocontrol Experimental Centre

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 1 _sigreturn (0x22, 0x405b2764, 0x405b2768, 0x7b03a934)
 2 _raise + 0x0000001c (0x8000489, 0, 0, 0x1000020)
 3 abort + 0x00000060 (0x4000a124, 0x4000a608, 0x76f, 0x4000a610)
 4 assert_failed + 0x00000040 (0x4000a608, 0x76f, 0x4000a610, 0xf0121)
 5 signal_1 + 0x000000d8 (0x10125274, 0x10125004, 0x13caf3, 0x6871f)
 6 Fsignal + 0x000000e4 (0x10125274, 0x10125004, 0x6525f, 0x102cad40)
         7 signal_error + 0x00000024 (0x10125274, 0x10125004, 0x64047, 0x64047)
 8 arith_error + 0x00000064 (0x8, 0, 0x2c0343, 0x2c0343)
 9 _sigreturn (0x40a30c00, 0x400c80cc, 0x7b03a49c, 0x400c80d8)
10 xlw_update_scrollbar + 0x00000174 (0x40a5a3c0, 0x40a30c00, 0x405ae280, 0)
11 xlw_update_one_widget + 0x000000b8 (0x40a5a3c0, 0x40a30c00, 0x405ae280, 0x103ef200)
12 set_one_value + 0x00000070 (0x40a5a3c0, 0x405ae280, 0, 0)
13 update_one_widget_instance + 0x00000060 (0x40a5a3c0, 0x405ae200, 0x40bb9540, 0x4)
        14 update_all_widget_values + 0x0000003c (0x404c2100, 0, 0x40bb9540, 0x10125004)
15 lw_modify_all_widgets + 0x000001e4 (0x100aa, 0x403446c0, 0xffffff00, 0xffffffff)
16 x_update_scrollbar_instance_st + 0x000000a4 (0x4045d800, 0x1, 0xf, 0x40254530)
17 update_window_scrollbars + 0x000001b8 (0x4045d800, 0x40bb9540, 0x1, 0)
18 redisplay_output_window + 0x0000067c (0x4045d800, 0x1, 0x1d, 0x1)
19 redisplay_window + 0x00000ce8 (0x1045d800, 0x1, 0, 0)
20 redisplay_windows + 0x00000034 (0x1045d800, 0x1, 0x40159300, 0x40516300)
        21 redisplay_window + 0x00000134 (0x103ef200, 0x1, 0x1015ae00, 0x40159300)
22 redisplay_windows + 0x00000034 (0x103ef200, 0x1, 0x2, 0)
23 redisplay_frame + 0x000001a4 (0x40516300, 0, 0x1e, 0x2)
24 redisplay_device + 0x0000024c (0x40159300, 0x10125004, 0x1013aa8c, 0x6a858)
25 redisplay_without_hooks + 0x000002d0 (0x4000c150, 0x1013aa8c, 0x1, 0)
26 redisplay + 0x0000005c (0x1, 0, 0x10125004, 0x10125004)
27 Fsit_for + 0x000001a8 (0x1e, 0x10125004, 0, 0x7b039d6c)
        28 primitive_funcall + 0x000000e0 (0x78a1c, 0x2, 0x403eb2cc, 0x7b039cec)
29 funcall_subr + 0x00000034 (0x4000c7d8, 0x403eb2cc, 0x1, 0x1)
30 funcall_recording_as + 0x000003d0 (0x1013a90c, 0x2, 0x403eb2c8, 0x10125004)
31 Ffuncall + 0x0000002c (0x3, 0x403eb2c8, 0x1, 0x7b039bec)
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37 Fcondition_case_3 + 0x00000188 (0x2023577c, 0x1013d40c, 0x202356dc, 0x40ab4c30)
38 Fbyte_code + 0x00001418 (0x30225fe4, 0x4028b0a0, 0x3, 0x103ef200)
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43 run_hook_with_args + 0x00000034 (0x1, 0x7b039548, 0, 0x1)
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72 Fbyte_code + 0x000009f0 (0x300516f8, 0x40051788, 0x7, 0x23)
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79 Ffuncall + 0x0000002c (0x8, 0x403fa7c8, 0x101c2154, 0x101400c4)
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85 funcall_lambda + 0x000003f4 (0x10051e20, 0x5, 0x40a05228, 0x1)
86 apply_lambda + 0x00000144 (0x10051e20, 0x5, 0x10125004, 0x4)
87 Feval + 0x000008e0 (0x2006fd18, 0x7b037d98, 0x7b037e08, 0x1)
88 Fif + 0x000000a4 (0x2006fd08, 0x1, 0x20, 0x400b36e8)
89 Feval + 0x000005ec (0x2006fd00, 0x1, 0, 0)
90 Feval + 0x000006a0 (0x2006fcf0, 0x1, 0, 0)
91 Fcall_interactively + 0x00000504 (0x101629b4, 0x10125004, 0x10125004, 0)
92 primitive_funcall + 0x0000010c (0x37ba0, 0x3, 0x7b0378e8, 0x4029068c)
93 funcall_subr + 0x00000034 (0x400051c0, 0x7b0378e8, 0x40197f80, 0)
94 funcall_recording_as + 0x000003ac (0x1013799c, 0x1, 0x7b037844, 0)
95 Ffuncall + 0x0000002c (0x2, 0x7b037844, 0x10125004, 0x10125004)
96 call1 + 0x00000064 (0x1013799c, 0x101629b4, 0x10125004, 0x10125004)
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98 Fdispatch_event + 0x00000908 (0x10614c18, 0x10125004, 0x1, 0)
99 Fcommand_loop_1 + 0x000002c0 (0x10137d74, 0x20bae3ac, 0x4, 0)

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: 05 Nov 1996 12:20:06 +0000
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* Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
| I am an emacs user.  But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
| the xemacs www site.  It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is
| superior to emacs.

of course it does.  it's called "marketing".

| Can I take them straight? 

as much as you can take any marketing straight.  (i.e., a resounding "NO".)

| Is emacs inferior to xemacs?

no.

| It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
| Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

precisely, and since Emacs has not perished, and is even more unlikely to
perish than XEmacs, something must be wrong.  you have just learned lesson
#1 in detecting fraudulent marketing: assume that the premises and
arguments are true, then see if the conclusions that follow from them fall
flat on their face.  if they do, you have fraudulent marketing.

XEmacs has one forte: it is better suited to those who have no inclination
to adapt their working environments to their own needs, and who instead go
for the prepackaged stuff they get from the vendor.  that's it.

| If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior to
| xemacs.

well, since you ask.  Emacs is faster, is supported on more platforms, has
_far_ fewer bugs, uses _much_ less memory, and requires about half the X
protocol data of XEmacs.  Emacs is more conservative in its adoption of new
packages, since not all packages are fit for distribution as soon as they
are written and it is also obvious that if a package is distributed while
immature, it will hang around for a very long time in that immature state,
even if it is upgraded centrally.  this is a major problem for "first to
market at all costs"-type marketing strategies.  Emacs tries above all to
be stable.

the primary purpose of Emacs packages is of course to be used, but a strong
secondary purpose is to be read and understood.  the whole idea behind free
software is to enable people to understand, improve, modify the code.  to
do so requires a code base with a certain consistency in style and which
does not reimplement the same ideas all over the place.  all good writers
read before they write, and read much more than they write, but programmers
are expected to write before they read, and reading other people's code is
not exactly cherished.  obviously, this is because code written by people
who had to invent every issue of style on their own _sucks_.  this is often
the case for C, Perl, and the like, but not usually the case for Lisp,
which has rich traditions to draw on.  XEmacs is more drawn to the C style
of programming, where the Lisp is merely an extension language, and all the
real work is done at the C level.  Emacs is more drawn to the Lisp style of
programming, where Lisp is the real language, and C is just necessary to
implement the Lisp system and to optimize some often-used processes, such
as the redisplay engine.  this difference permeates many aspects of each of
the Emacsen.

Emacs' Lisp is also simpler.  where Emacs has 10 functions and use existing
types and access functions, XEmacs has 50 functions and use an entirely new
datatype.  where Emacs tries not to do too many things that break working
code, XEmacs doesn't care at all, claiming instead that the way it was done
in the past was "braindamaged" and other favorite terms of respect, clearly
implying that should somebody improve on _their_ design, they will happily
accept similar treatment of their now "superior" solutions.

a lot of packages are developed either for XEmacs or for Emacs, because it
is often too hard to do both.  new, immature, fancy packages are usually
developed for XEmacs.  robust packages are usually developed for Emacs.
the question you should ask if you want to use XEmacs is "does it have the
latest fanciest stuff" and the question you should ask if you want to use
Emacs is "can I trust it never to lose my work".

in almost all respects, XEmacs gives more to the impatient, hands-on, "new"
generation which doesn't have time to read manuals, while Emacs gives more
to the experienced and dedicated users who read manuals to learn and
understand.  there are still at least two orders of magnitude more of the
latter type, but they don't make the news for the same reason that it is
not news if a 747 takes off from JFK and flies to LAX, but it would be if
an elephant did.  very seldom, "new" means "improved".  "new" usually means
"has to do all the old mistakes over again".

that said, there are real improvements in XEmacs, too.  however, the only
way they think they can communicate this to the world is through the use of
state-of-the-art marketing practices.  one must accept a certain amount of
guilt by association merely by choosing to employ techniques chosen by used
car and computer salesmen, presidential campaigns, etc, and one must also
expect to have to overstate everything one says by at least a factor of two
because all listeners have been cynicized by the other uses of those sales
techniques to divide by at least two automatically.  so, if XEmacs says
they are superior to Emacs, you must expect them to compare the latest
development version to Emacs 19.28, that they found and fixed a bug in both
Emacsen, but neglected to report it to the Emacs maintainers until after
they could gloat about how braindamaged it is, etc.  when somebody starts
up the "I'm better than you" machine, you can be pretty certain they are
dishonest creeps.  they need to tell they are superior because you would
never realize it if it weren't for their "helpful suggestions" about what
you should compare.  naturally, the real improvements in XEmacs are not in
the excessively hyped parts.

#\Erik
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Karl Storck wrote:
> Try this script:
> 
> #! /bin/csh
> foreach i ($argv)
>         gnudoit '(load "'$PWD'/'$i'")'
> end

Thanks to all that helped me out on this. Sometimes you simply can't see
the answer, even if it stands right before you...

Thanks again,
Thomas
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Cc: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>

At 12:20 05/11/96 +0000, Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> wrote:

>* Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
>| I am an emacs user.  But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
>| the xemacs www site.  It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is
>| superior to emacs.
>
>of course it does.  it's called "marketing".
>
>| Can I take them straight? 
>
>as much as you can take any marketing straight.  (i.e., a resounding "NO".)
>
>| Is emacs inferior to xemacs?
>
>no.

[... remaining utterly biased and insulting bullshit deleted]

Mike Humski was inviting impartial, objective comparisons. What you gave him
was just a pile of negative, ill-considered and thoroughly unhelpful crap.

If you prefer GNU Emacs that's fine. But to suggest that XEmacs is better
suited to novice and/or lazy programmers, and GNU Emacs to advanced and/or
power-users is just plain wrong and insulting.

-- David
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?

I have one suggestion to whoever wrote the marketing crap for XEmacs:
stop comparing yourself to Emacs.  just do your _own_ job well.

* David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
| [... remaining utterly biased and insulting bullshit deleted]

well, thank you for making me want to listen to your comments, too.

| a pile of negative, ill-considered and thoroughly unhelpful crap.

this describes your response to me, David, and that is all it describes.

| If you prefer GNU Emacs that's fine.  But to suggest that XEmacs is
| better suited to novice and/or lazy programmers, and GNU Emacs to
| advanced and/or power-users is just plain wrong and insulting.

if you say so, it probably is so to you.  but that is not my problem.

XEmacs has focused on those aspects that attract beginners and users from
the Microsoft world.  Emacs has not.  XEmacs has focused on being as
feature-rich out of the box as possible.  Emacs demands that you turn on
those features you want, after you have read about them.  XEmacs is
recommended by people who are happy to be able to install a binary and
don't have to do anything more.  if these aren't lazy, I don't know what
would be.  incidentally, laziness is a mortal sin only in some peculiar
moral systems.  programmers _should_ be lazy in the sense that they should
be unwilling to do unnecessary work.  also, I never used the term "lazy" in
a negative sense.  you did.

also, if you were attracted to something because it was more familiar to
you and/or easier to learn to use out of the box than something else, does
not mean that you will stay with it for the same reason.  I have always
assumed that this is bordering on the bleeding obvious.  maybe I was wrong.

there is also nothing insulting in being a novice.  we all once were.
those who remain novices, however, may be at risk of feeling insulted by
the term.  is this the case with you, David?  is the only reason you use
XEmacs that there are fancy menus and other easily clickable things there?
seriously, I doubt that _very_ much.  so why were you insulted?

was it because you assumed that I meant that XEmacs was not suited to
advanced users?  was it because you assumed that I meant that XEmacs should
not be used by power users?  or was it even more remote from what I said
and your reaction was in response to your baseless assumption that I think
that XEmacs users are _all_ novices or "lazy" (in your sense)?  if so,
please distinguish between what you assume and what I say.  your inferences
are precisely that: _yours_, especially if they are so far from what you
would have been able to read had you been less engulfed in your own
defensiveness for XEmacs.

I'm trying to counter the obviously groundless marketing that cause people
like the requestor to ask his questions.  if you XEmacs guys feel that it
is appropriate to claim that XEmacs is so superior to Emacs that you want
to make people ask the question "why hasn't Emacs perished", then you need
to grab a hold yourself and ask yourself who is engaging in what kind of
dirty practices.  sorry to be so blunt, but time and again, XEmacs has
shown that it means one thing: commercial-grade marketing to gain market
share.  such is just plain evil.  it's bad enough that XEmacs does things
differently from Emacs (no "direction" is implied here), if we also don't
have to counter the marketing practices that brought shitware like Windows
and Netscape to the front pages of newspapers.

#\Erik

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Erik,

Do you really have nothing better to do than type out a pile of verbal vomit?

Get a life.

-- David


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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> protocol data of XEmacs.  Emacs is more conservative in its adoption of new
> packages, since not all packages are fit for distribution as soon as they
> are written and it is also obvious that if a package is distributed while
> immature, it will hang around for a very long time in that immature state,
> even if it is upgraded centrally.  this is a major problem for "first to
> market at all costs"-type marketing strategies.  Emacs tries above all to
> be stable.

You follow the very same type of marketing strategies you have
attacked several lines before.  Give us several examples of "immature"
lisp packages in XEmacs.

Give us examples of all those XEmacs bugs.  Real examples, not "every
version of XEmacs has crashed on me".  How come you are the only one
to whom XEmacs is only crashing?  Why doesn't it happen to Barry
Warsaw or Bill Perry?  Bah!

[...]
> that said, there are real improvements in XEmacs, too.

Are we seeing a miracle happen?  It is fun noticing how much time Erik
spends flaming XEmacs, and how little he devotes to those
improvements.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!
-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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       the Emacs religion.

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> protocol data of XEmacs.  Emacs is more conservative in its adoption of new
> packages, since not all packages are fit for distribution as soon as they
> are written and it is also obvious that if a package is distributed while
> immature, it will hang around for a very long time in that immature state,
> even if it is upgraded centrally.  this is a major problem for "first to
> market at all costs"-type marketing strategies.  Emacs tries above all to
> be stable.

You follow the very same type of marketing strategies you have
attacked several lines before.  Give us several examples of "immature"
lisp packages in XEmacs.

Give us examples of all those XEmacs bugs.  Real examples, not "every
version of XEmacs has crashed on me".  How come you are the only one
to whom XEmacs is only crashing?  Why doesn't it happen to Barry
Warsaw or Bill Perry?  Bah!

[...]
> that said, there are real improvements in XEmacs, too.

Are we seeing a miracle happen?  It is fun noticing how much time Erik
spends flaming XEmacs, and how little he devotes to those
improvements.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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       the Emacs religion.

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* David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
| Do you really have nothing better to do than type out a pile of verbal
| vomit?

I don't "type out a pile of verbal vomit", David.  I tried to explain what
I wrote so that you could understand it, but you seem to be prejudiced, you
obviously disagree very strongly before you even know what I have said, you
don't appear to read what I write, and you appear to be extremely emotional
about it all.  neither of these are my fault, and neither of them make what
_I_ write "a pile of verbal vomit", as much as you would like it to be.

it is most emphatically not my fault that you puke when you read views that
don't match your own prejudices, and neither is it my vomit you're staring
into afterwards.  please be so kind as to clean up your lunch with some
appropriate material instead of sending it to me.  thank you.

good day, David.  I'm glad you're an XEmacs user.  that means the chances
of ever having the pleasure of meeting you again is minimized.  I would
also appreciate if you did your part to ensure that I won't.  please?

#\Erik

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* Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
| Are we seeing a miracle happen?  It is fun noticing how much time Erik
| spends flaming XEmacs, and how little he devotes to those improvements.

could you provide me with a summary of how much time I spend flaming
XEmacs, please?  I don't keep track of such things, but I have spent less
than two hours today (and none in several months) on countering the
marketing from the XEmacs camp that makes an innocent bystander think that
Emacs would "perish" were all of it true.  obviously, the XEmacs marketing
is a bunch of vile lies, and that needs to be said.  equally obviously,
XEmacs folks are very touchy in this area.  people's whose bluffs are
exposed usually are quite touchy about it.

incidentally, I don't keep track of how much time XEmacs proponents spend
flaming Emacs, either.  do you have the latest data, Hrvoje?  you might
find it instructive if you don't already keep records.  you might also find
my summary of keybindings in the XEmacs FAQ a tad bit less inflammatory
than the previous version, which, if I recall correctly, referred to the
Emacs way as "braindamaged" several times in the course of a few lines.
I'm sure you were happier with the previous version, but please, let it
stay the way I wrote it.  I guess you also think it's a miracle that I
would improve something related to XEmacs in such a was as to make XEmacs
less hostile to Emacs, considering the bile that XEmacs proponents have
emptied over Emacs over the years.

oh, speaking of which, XEmacs folks talk about Emacs all the time, they
compare themselves to Emacs, they hate Emacs, they flame Emacs, they tell
Emacs users how wonderful things are in XEmacs.  I find this a bit tiring,
especially since _every_damn_time_ some Emacs user tries to level the
balance by countering their exaggerated lies, all sorts of whining losers
creep out of the woodwork to complain how unfair somebody is to XEmacs.  is
XEmacs really so bad that it needs this kind of defense?

I sincerely wish that XEmacs folks just grew up and start to do their own
job well, instead of comparing themselves to others.  anybody can be better
than somebody else if they only portray those others as sufficiently bad.

(miracles happen only to people who don't understand what is going on.)

#\Erik
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Hi all,

I'm quite new to XEmacs (19.14) and have one or two questions concerning 
VM. There are some features I liked very much when using Elm and just 
wonder if they are available in VM, too.

1) Saving: I know that VM can bring up some default folder name when saving
   messages. What I would like to have is that VM sets the sender's e-mail 
   address as default. Is this possible?

2) Autosave: Is it possible to let VM save outgoing mail automatically 
   into the "appropriate" folder (what I mean is that if I send a mail to 
   x@y.z then I'ld like to have VL append this one to ~/Mail/x without
   asking me).


Thanks for your attention,
	Tom

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Dear David and Erik

	I think it would be nice if the two of you, please use this 
mailing list to discuss something constructive and informative than plain 
slandering and mud slinging.

	I am sure that both of you are very capable and experienced 
end-users and that others have much to learn from both of you.
	
	Please avoid using a mailing list as a platform to vent out your 
personal feelings.

with regards,
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>>>>> Richard Cognot writes:

 cognot> When it happens for me, it is because one of the exposed
 cognot> buffers has a large number of highlighted items. Usually just
 cognot> hiding it or iconifying the frame where it is displayed is
 cognot> enough.

Just more info.  I'm not sure about highlighted items, but when the
slow down has happened over the last few days, acting on this tip I
iconified the other frames -- and the slowdown would go away.

Hope this helps.


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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
> | I am an emacs user.  But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
> | the xemacs www site.  It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is
> | superior to emacs.
> 
> of course it does.  it's called "marketing".
> 
> | Can I take them straight? 
> 
> as much as you can take any marketing straight.  (i.e., a resounding "NO".)

Not quite, I'm afraid.  All of the listed points are valid.

> | Is emacs inferior to xemacs?
> 
> no.

Can't compare, really.  For everyday use, I find GNU Emacs for
convenient (stability, speed).  If you have other needs than merely
programming, more in the line of text processing, or WEB browsing,
there is no alternative to XEmacs which supports proportional fonts
and inline graphics.  Apart from these essentials (*if* you are into
that area), XEmacs offers quite a few other niceties.

> | It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
> | Otherwise, emacs would have perished.

At quite a lot of which it supports.

> precisely, and since Emacs has not perished, and is even more unlikely to
> perish than XEmacs, something must be wrong.  you have just learned lesson
> #1 in detecting fraudulent marketing: assume that the premises and
> arguments are true, then see if the conclusions that follow from them fall
> flat on their face.  if they do, you have fraudulent marketing.

With XEmacs, I don't find their marketing fraudulent.  Point out the
lies in it.

> Emacs' Lisp is also simpler.  where Emacs has 10 functions and use existing
> types and access functions, XEmacs has 50 functions and use an entirely new
> datatype.  where Emacs tries not to do too many things that break working
> code, XEmacs doesn't care at all, claiming instead that the way it was done
> in the past was "braindamaged" and other favorite terms of respect, clearly
> implying that should somebody improve on _their_ design, they will happily
> accept similar treatment of their now "superior" solutions.

Care for examples?  In fact XEmacs maintainers have a hard time
keeping compatibility with GNU Emacs development where quite a few
things change they way they were done.  After some "new" functionality
(which was present in XEmacs before) gets reinvented in GNU Emacs, it
typically takes one or two releases to get an interface wrapper in
upcoming XEmacses.  A nuisance, of course.

> a lot of packages are developed either for XEmacs or for Emacs, because it
> is often too hard to do both.  new, immature, fancy packages are usually
> developed for XEmacs.  robust packages are usually developed for
> Emacs.

Don't be silly.  The quality of the packages has nothing to do with
for what you develop them.  The reason "fancy" packages are more often
developed for XEmacs is simply that you have the display stuff to be
"fancy".

> in almost all respects, XEmacs gives more to the impatient, hands-on, "new"
> generation which doesn't have time to read manuals, while Emacs gives more
> to the experienced and dedicated users who read manuals to learn and
> understand.

Well, the hypertext apropos mechanisms of XEmacs might make it easier
to get to the information you want, but that does not make them
inferior to GNU Emacs, IMO.  Having easily accesible features is no
mistake in itself.  You can still use traditional key sequences if you
want.

> that said, there are real improvements in XEmacs, too.  however, the only
> way they think they can communicate this to the world is through the use of
> state-of-the-art marketing practices.  one must accept a certain amount of
> guilt by association merely by choosing to employ techniques chosen by used
> car and computer salesmen, presidential campaigns, etc, and one must also
> expect to have to overstate everything one says by at least a factor of two
> because all listeners have been cynicized by the other uses of those sales
> techniques to divide by at least two automatically.

I have compared both and found that the claims of XEmacs people are
correct.  I use GNU Emacs for everyday work because of speed reasons,
mainly.

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> could you provide me with a summary of how much time I spend flaming
> XEmacs, please?  I don't keep track of such things, but I have spent less

Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.  Your way is "I don't flame XEmacs,
it's just that I have this terrible urge to intervene in every
discussion about XEmacs about how crappy it really is".

> incidentally, I don't keep track of how much time XEmacs proponents spend
> flaming Emacs, either.  do you have the latest data, Hrvoje?  you might

I read comp.emacs and comp.emacs.xemacs.  I have never seen people
flame GNU Emacs the way you flame XEmacs.  The small number of
examples (Ben's heated words several months ago) have mostly been in
answer to your, equally heated, postings.

> my summary of keybindings in the XEmacs FAQ a tad bit less inflammatory
> than the previous version, which, if I recall correctly, referred to the
> Emacs way as "braindamaged" several times in the course of a few lines.
> I'm sure you were happier with the previous version, but please, let it

Nope.  I have suggested a correct approach to the FAQ maintainer
myself, and I am glad that XEmacs FAQ now (AFAIK) contains no "bad"
material against GNU Emacs.  You have obviously misjudged my opinion
upon the matter.

> stay the way I wrote it.  I guess you also think it's a miracle that I
> would improve something related to XEmacs in such a was as to make XEmacs
> less hostile to Emacs, considering the bile that XEmacs proponents have
> emptied over Emacs over the years.

Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the most
hostile.  Of course, you say that you need to say the truth.  OK, but
then Ben has the same right to call some things in GNU Emacs
braindamaged -- why not, it's just the truth, after all?

I think each side should be more careful of the tone it assumes, if it
does not want to provoke similar reactions from the other one.

> oh, speaking of which, XEmacs folks talk about Emacs all the time, they
> compare themselves to Emacs, they hate Emacs, they flame Emacs, they tell
> Emacs users how wonderful things are in XEmacs.  I find this a bit tiring,

It is perfectly normal to compare the two major branches of Emacs 19
that are being actively developed.

> especially since _every_damn_time_ some Emacs user tries to level the
> balance by countering their exaggerated lies, all sorts of whining losers
> creep out of the woodwork to complain how unfair somebody is to XEmacs.  is
> XEmacs really so bad that it needs this kind of defense?

I don't think so.  You are not unfair to XEmacs -- you just follow the
same marketing principles you argue against -- attacking the "enemy"'s
weaknesses, and hyping your own advantages.

> I sincerely wish that XEmacs folks just grew up and start to do their own
> job well, instead of comparing themselves to others.  anybody can be better
> than somebody else if they only portray those others as sufficiently
> bad.
> (miracles happen only to people who don't understand what is going on.)

I think that what you sincerely wish has already happened.  But maybe
you are the one who doesn't understand what's going on...

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erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:

> XEmacs has focused on those aspects that attract beginners and users from
> the Microsoft world.  Emacs has not.  XEmacs has focused on being as
> feature-rich out of the box as possible.  Emacs demands that you turn on
> those features you want, after you have read about them.  XEmacs is
> recommended by people who are happy to be able to install a binary and
> don't have to do anything more.  if these aren't lazy, I don't know what
> would be.  incidentally, laziness is a mortal sin only in some peculiar
> moral systems.  programmers _should_ be lazy in the sense that they should
> be unwilling to do unnecessary work.  also, I never used the term "lazy" in
> a negative sense.  you did.
> 

This is positively weird to me. I can only conclude that this guy has gone
into editing as a lifestyle. Not me. I'm one of the people attracted to
XEmacs because I DON'T HAVE TO READ THE MANUAL. That's how I define a
useful computing tool. Can I use it without having to learn anything new?
You call this lazy? I call this common sense. My job is physics; not
computer programming.

-- 
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

> luiland@lexis-nexis.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:

Yum> This works without the (setq dir-do-permi...).  Otherwise, I get:
Yum> Symbol's function definition is void:
Yum> dired-make-permissions-interactive


Rick> I don't get the error Yum Ting Lui and someone else got because
Rick> I have the following before loading dired;

Rick> (autoload 'dired-make-permissions-interactive "dired-chmod" nil t)

That is the correct thing to do.  This bug has been fixed in my copy
of the sources, sorry for omitting that detail ...
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O.K. I have permissions interactive, I have highlighting on links,
directories, executables, and boring. But when I mark a file, all I get is a
leading asterisk. dired-face-marked seems to be ignored. Also, when I
delete, the name just disappears. I would prefer to have it highlighted
according to dired-face-deleted.

My loading order in .emacs is

(autoload 'dired-make-permissions-interactive "dired-chmod" nil t)
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              #'(lambda ()
                  (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)) t)
(setq dired-do-permission-highlighting-too t)
(require 'dired)

-- 
rick  

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	I am compiling Xemacs 19-14 on a Linux 2.0.20 kernel, ELF. I
am trying to get JPEG support compiled in, but keep having problems
with glyphs-x.c and some jpeg routines. I have compiled jpeg-6a and
installed in on the machine. I can even see the stuff that is giving
me error messages in jpeglib.h, but can't get it it to work.  Here is
the error message:

[huge list of object files...]
  -lm  -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o           
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1645): undefined reference to `jpeg_destroy_decompress'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1781): undefined reference to `jpeg_resync_to_restart'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1869): undefined reference to `jpeg_std_error'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x18df): undefined reference to `jpeg_CreateDecompress'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x193a): undefined reference to `jpeg_read_header'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x195e): undefined reference to `jpeg_start_decompress'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1b67): undefined reference to `jpeg_read_scanlines'
glyphs-x.o(.text+0x1bd8): undefined reference to `jpeg_finish_decompress'
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

All these functions are defined in jpeglib.h (which I have placed in
/usr/include/gr). 


	Can anyone give me a hand?  I am not a C hacker (yet...)

-- 
Jonathan Gross
jong@seaotter.com (finger jong@ssc.com for pgp key)

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* Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
| Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.

please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend
more than four thousand hours a year working with Emacs (it's the whole of
my working environment), upwards of a thousand of which are spent writing
new code or fixing bugs, in response to my own use or bug reports.  I have
spent a few hours this year to respond to the typical XEmacs idiocy about
Emacs, and Hrvoje Niksic thinks "it seems a lot".  are you utterly and
completely _insane_?

| Your way is "I don't flame XEmacs, it's just that I have this terrible
| urge to intervene in every discussion about XEmacs about how crappy it
| really is".

excellent!  this will score you several points in the XEmacs crowd.  never
mind that it utterly and completely false.  never mind that this is the
kind of foul lie and idiotic exaggeration that virtually _defines_ how a
good XEmacs user should behave towards the Enemy.  never mind that you are
trying to portray me as something I am not, have never been, and never will
be.  never mind that "intervene in every discussion about XEmacs" is such a
silly exaggeration that even XEmacs users must be embarrassed.

I'm also saddened to see that it is so hard for an XEmacs user to
distinguish between the lies and exaggerations and fraudulent marketing of
XEmacs on the one hand and XEmacs itself on the other.  XEmacs is as good
as any commercially hyped product, probably even better.  it is the
despicable idiots who defend it, who lie about it, who do anything they can
to hurt Emacs and the Free Software Foundation that is crappy.  people
who's motives are destruction, whose character is of the same kind as Bill
Gates', who also seeks to destroy his competition instead of being better
than them on his own terms, the kind of scum who fights to win at all
costs, no matter how large, not to improve or create anything.

| Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the most
| hostile.

wow!  this must be a ten-point exaggeration with the XEmacs crowd.  what do
you win if you become the most exaggerating XEmacs user?  do you get a
nice, black T-shirt?  does the "X" in "XEmacs" stand for "eXaggerated".

you know, if you could try to calm down a little, you would see how
completely idiotic that statement of yours is.  it's so mindbogglingly
stupid I seriously wonder how anybody could manage to write it.  but then
again, I'm not an XEmacs user, and I don't use the word "braindamaged" and
"truth" in the same sentence:

| OK, but then Ben has the same right to call some things in GNU Emacs
| braindamaged -- why not, it's just the truth, after all?

you don't understand the word "braindamaged".  look it up.

you might find it instructive to read what I _actually_ write, instead of
inventing the crap you wish I had written.  I have never said any of the
utterly stupid things you attribute to me.

just quit lying, and there will no longer be a need to correct your lies.
it's as simple as that.

#\Erik
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Rick Baartman (baartman@alph04.triumf.ca) wrote:
> This is positively weird to me. I can only conclude that this guy has gone
> into editing as a lifestyle. Not me. I'm one of the people attracted to
> XEmacs because I DON'T HAVE TO READ THE MANUAL. That's how I define a
> useful computing tool. Can I use it without having to learn anything new?
> You call this lazy? I call this common sense. My job is physics; not
> computer programming.

By saying this you only make Erik's point.  But there are people who
have also gone into editing as a lifestyle, and still use XEmacs.  Of
course, if editing means using (X)Emacs, it includes newsreading,
mailreading, web browsing, programming, etc.

What I like is that with XEmacs I can have it both ways -- an easily
accessible user interface (toolbars, menus, nicer outlook), *and* all
the things GNU Emacs has (customization, elisp, etc.).  So noone
actually *forces* you to use the menus -- you can do all of it with
keybindings (which is the way I mainly do it, since I use XEmacs on
tty-s a lot).

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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I didn't want to get into this, but ...

>| Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the most
>| hostile.
> ... 
> you know, if you could try to calm down a little, you would see how
> completely idiotic that statement of yours is.  it's so mindbogglingly
> stupid I seriously wonder how anybody could manage to write it.  but then
> again, I'm not an XEmacs user, 

Wow.




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Alright all you Emacs Gurus out there, this should be an easy one.

I use XEmacs for programming.  I want to be able to mark two spots and 
flip between the two easily.  For example, I have a file containing some 
code.  There are two functions, far apart enough that they won't fit on 
one screen.  I want to be able to move between the two of them easily.

I don't want to open two frames with a view on each because it takes too 
much screen real estate.

Can anyone help me?

			TIA and all that...

--
			-Dave
		   drig@magicweb.com

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Erik Naggum pontificates:
 |* Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
 || Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.
 |
 |please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
 |articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.

Do the half a dozen or so you have sent on this thread count?  Or
those "less than a dozen" just the objective ones?

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.help
Subject: Standard solution for the problem of filling text with '>'s in it?
Date: 5 Nov 1996 20:10:39 GMT
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	Is there any standard solution for the problem of filling text in
email or usenet replies that contain multiple levels of '>' or other quoting?
For instance, how would you fill this text (assuming fill-column of 20):

You said:
>You write:
>> You said:
>> >Blah blah blah blah blah.
>>
>> Oh yeah, Mr. Wise Guy?
>Yeah.

to:

You said:
>You write:
>> You said:
>> >Blah blah blah
>> >blah blah.
>>
>> Oh yeah, wise 
>> guy?
>Yeah.

	Defining paragraph-start and paragraph-separate to allow the '>'
characters at least fixes the problem of having the filled text have '>'s
interspersed in the middle of lines, but the wrapped text doesn't have the
proper fill-prefix.

	I am a novice elisp programmer and the best I have come up with so far
is the following, which is slow and I'm sure doesn't work for all situations:

(defun begin-repl ()
  "Begin a repl message by filling all quoted paragraphs and moving to end."
  (interactive)
  (setq fill-column 78)
  (search-forward-regexp "^$")
  (forward-line 2)
  (while (<= (point) (buffer-size))
    (if (search-forward-regexp "^[> ]*>.*[!-~]" nil t)
	;; If we find a quoted line with text on it, fill.
	(progn
	  (beginning-of-line)
	  (search-forward-regexp "^[> ]*> ?")
	  (set-fill-prefix)
	  (fill-paragraph nil)
	  (forward-line 1))
      ;; Else, jump to the end of the buffer so the while will end.
      (end-of-buffer)))
  (newline)
  (insert "	")
  (setq fill-prefix nil))

	I am using XEmacs 19.14, if that matters.

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From: Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com>
To: drig@magicweb.com (David Rudder)
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Subject: Re: Mark flipping?
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    David> Alright all you Emacs Gurus out there, this
    David> should be an easy one. I use XEmacs for
    David> programming.  I want to be able to mark two
    David> spots and flip between the two easily.  For
    David> example, I have a file containing some code.
    David> There are two functions, far apart enough that
    David> they won't fit on one screen.  I want to be
    David> able to move between the two of them easily.

    David> I don't want to open two frames with a view on
    David> each because it takes too much screen real
    David> estate.

    David> Can anyone help me?

Simple way: Set the mark using set-mark-command (bound to
C-SPC) then move to the other place and invoke
exchange-point-and-mark (bound to C-x C-x).  Hit C-g to
deactivate the region.

Also: play with passing a prefix arg to set-mark-command
(i.e. C-u C-SPC).  This will jump to the previously set
mark.

Better way: use a package suited for this sort of thing
like bookmarks.el (there are probably others too).

-Pez

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Subject: Re: Mark flipping?
To: drig@magicweb.com (David Rudder)
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> I use XEmacs for programming.  I want to be able to mark two spots and 
> flip between the two easily.  
> 
> I don't want to open two frames with a view on each because it takes too 
> much screen real estate.

Why not just split the frame?  Use C-x 2, then use C-x o to go back
and forth between the two views.  Very nice.

You could also use registers as markers and jump between them (like 
markers in vi).  Point-to-register is bound to C-x /, jump-to-register 
is bound to C-x j.




--
 scott evans
 http://ocsystems.com/~gse                     it's a shame when the parts fit
 gse@ocsystems.com                                  but the machine won't work

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Hello All

The company I work for uses SCO 5.0 as the operating System.  My question
is how to disable Xemacs Mail so that SCOmail can read mail and not Xemacs.

I just clicked on the mail button in Xemacs, and now I do not get my mail
through SCOmail.  Does anybody know what I need to do so I can get my mail
through SCOmail and disable Xemacs mail.

Thanks In Advance

Lance

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From: David Rudder <drig@magicweb.com>
To: Scott Evans <gse@ocsystems.com>
cc: XEmacs List <xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Mark flipping?
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On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Scott Evans wrote:

> > I use XEmacs for programming.  I want to be able to mark two spots and 
> > flip between the two easily.  
> > 
> > I don't want to open two frames with a view on each because it takes too 
> > much screen real estate.
> 
> Why not just split the frame?  Use C-x 2, then use C-x o to go back
> and forth between the two views.  Very nice.

Because I like having as much screen real estate as possible.  Plus, the 
scrolling movement reminds me more of what the program is doing, making 
it easier to follow.  Sorta a mental thing for me, but it helps me work.

> 
> You could also use registers as markers and jump between them (like 
> markers in vi).  Point-to-register is bound to C-x /, jump-to-register 
> is bound to C-x j.

That sounds great.  Another guy (I forget his name and I'm too lazy to 
look it up...the response was posted) suggested using marks, and that 
works as well.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
>  scott evans
>  http://ocsystems.com/~gse                     it's a shame when the parts fit
>  gse@ocsystems.com                                  but the machine won't work
> 
> 

			-Dave
		   drig@magicweb.com

I got a coffee mug from Cray Research when they moved out.  Now I can 
drink my coffee while doing 63 other, unrelated tasks.


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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

 [Putting insertion of xface as optional & prompted when sending]

giacomo> i cannot see other implications of the hook switch, but i'd
giacomo> like to hear your opinion

It doesn't work with Gnus :-(.
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On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Peter Pezaris wrote:

> Simple way: Set the mark using set-mark-command (bound to
> C-SPC) then move to the other place and invoke
> exchange-point-and-mark (bound to C-x C-x).  Hit C-g to
> deactivate the region.
> 
> Also: play with passing a prefix arg to set-mark-command
> (i.e. C-u C-SPC).  This will jump to the previously set
> mark.
> 
> Better way: use a package suited for this sort of thing
> like bookmarks.el (there are probably others too).
> 
> -Pez
> 
> 

Perfect!!! Thanks a lot!  I'll check out the bookmarks.el, but the simple 
method is exactly what I wanted, so I don't imagine anything more is 
needed.  You win my mark of "Emacs Guru" :)

			-Dave
		   drig@magicweb.com

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* Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu>
| Is there any standard solution for the problem of filling text in email
| or usenet replies that contain multiple levels of '>' or other quoting?
| For instance, how would you fill this text (assuming fill-column of 20):
:
| Defining paragraph-start and paragraph-separate to allow the '>'
| characters at least fixes the problem of having the filled text have '>'s
| interspersed in the middle of lines, but the wrapped text doesn't have
| the proper fill-prefix.

I haven't done this (I use these settings globally, and can't require any
of the typical quotation prefixes), but here are my settings:

  (setq-default fill-column 75)
  (setq-default sentence-end "[.?!][]\"')}]*[ \n]+")
  (setq-default paragraph-start "^[|:> \t]*$")
  (setq-default paragraph-separate (default-value 'paragraph-start))
  (setq adaptive-fill-regexp (substring (default-value 'paragraph-start) 1 -1))

`adaptive-fill-mode' defaults to t, but is buffer-local, and some modes
(e.g., lisp-mode) turn it off.

| I am using XEmacs 19.14, if that matters.

the above is true for Emacs 19.34.  you might consider upgrading.

#\Erik
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>>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

    Hrv> Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
    >> could you provide me with a summary of how much time I spend
    >> flaming XEmacs, please?  I don't keep track of such things, but
    >> I have spent less

    Hrv> Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.  Your way is "I don't
    Hrv> flame XEmacs, it's just that I have this terrible urge to
    Hrv> intervene in every discussion about XEmacs about how crappy
    Hrv> it really is".

Erik just tend to have a finger on the "flame" key ready for any
thread where comparison between Emacs and XEmacs is involved.

Since the last one, he's been living happilly at the bottom of my kill
file (first and last one to ever get in there, hope you won't feel too
lonely Erik ;-) and mail from his site is also filtered out. I'm
feeling much better now that I don't have to read his insanities.

Anyway, more to the point of the initial poster: I think that when you
begin with Emacs, then XEmacs is *much* better, as it really takes you
by the hand and helps you out with what you want to do by providing
easy access to a lot of functionnalities. It basically provides easy
means of configuring your Emacs environment into something you feel
comfortable with, without *requiring* you to spend most of your time
digging out the features you want (now, if you *really* want to dig,
you still can ;-).

If you already are a "power user", I don't think there is that
much of a difference as for the text editing part. Most things can be
done in both Emacsen, albeit differently sometimes. As for other
functionnalities, such as embedded graphics/windows, integration with
X, etc..., XEmacs is far superior, IMO. The only tradeoff:
speed... But I'm quite confident: it will someday be history, either
because XEmacs will have been more optimized, or because the machine on
which I work will be fast enough I won't notice anymore ;-).

Richard

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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Jones <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> writes:

    Steve> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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    Steve> The session had been running a while on and HP715 running
    Steve> HP-UX9.01.  The binary was down loaded from the HP archives
    Steve> at Liverpool.

    Steve> The crash occured when attempting a find file with the
    Steve> popup widget.  At this stage the session hung and failed to
    Steve> respond to X event (eg Expose didn't cause a redraw).  The
    Steve> first sympton was the scroll bar disappearing from the
    Steve> popup widget.

Just looked on the archive, and all I saw was a *9.05* binary. not
sure it is even supposed to run correctly on 9.01...

Richard.

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From: Rick Braumoeller <rickb@litotes.mti.sgi.com>
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Subject: xemacs 19.14 hangs in select on Irix 6.2
Date: 05 Nov 1996 16:28:56 -0800
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A few times each week, I wind up with a wedged xemacs that won't
resond to anything short of SIGHUP or SIGTERM. When I dbx the sucker,
it looks like it's stuck in select:

litotes /tmp > dbx -p 28648
dbx version 7.1 Sep 13 1996 02:14:51
Process 28648 (xemacs) stopped at [_select:12 +0x8,0xfa47fcc]
         Source (of select.s) not available for Process 28648
(dbx) t
>  0 _select(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["select.s":12, 0xfa47fcc]
   1 IoWait(0x7ffef9dc, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["NextEvent.c":350, 0xf67fcc4]
   2 _XtWaitForSomething(0x101b9c00, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0) ["NextEvent.c":623, 0xf67f1ec]
   3 XtAppProcessEvent(0x101b9c00, 0xf, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["NextEvent.c":1434, 0xf69de94]
   4 emacs_Xt_next_event(0x1067e248, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-Xt.c":2056, 0x55a06c]
   5 event_stream_next_event(0x1067e248, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":473, 0x488e9c]
   6 next_event_internal(0x1067e248, 0x1067e248, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":1839, 0x48b8a0]
   7 Fsleep_for(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x1067e248, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":2491, 0x48cc60]
   8 primitive_funcall(0x48cb20, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffefd5c, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3484, 0x47e26c]
   9 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   10 funcall_recording_as(0x10136924, 0x1, 0x7ffefd58, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3207, 0x47d6d0]
   11 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   12 Fbyte_code(0x3039cdb0, 0x403e7500, 0x1, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   13 funcall_lambda(0x103e6e04, 0x1, 0x7ffeff84, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   14 funcall_recording_as(0x103ec334, 0x1, 0x7ffeff80, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3210, 0x47d710]
   15 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   16 Fbyte_code(0x3039cac8, 0x403e7400, 0x1, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   17 funcall_lambda(0x103e6e44, 0x0, 0x7fff01a4, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   18 funcall_recording_as(0x103ec0c4, 0x0, 0x7fff01a0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3210, 0x47d710]
   19 Ffuncall(0x1, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   20 Fbyte_code(0x3040bc9c, 0x4040d800, 0x0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   21 primitive_funcall(0x450e18, 0x7ffef858, 0x7fff03a8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3488, 0x47e2a0]
   22 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   23 Feval(0x2030ae6c, 0x7ffef858, 0x3, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3064, 0x47d0b8]
   24 internal_catch(0x1016c8c4, 0x47c8ac, 0x2030ae6c, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1347, 0x479a9c]
   25 Fbyte_code(0x3040bcd8, 0x403ef840, 0x8d, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":645, 0x451980]
   26 funcall_lambda(0x10357884, 0x2, 0x7fff08ac, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   27 funcall_recording_as(0x101b7544, 0x2, 0x7fff08a8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3210, 0x47d710]
   28 Ffuncall(0x3, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   29 Fbyte_code(0x3040ca74, 0x4040e500, 0x2, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   30 funcall_lambda(0x10357904, 0x1, 0x7fff09f0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   31 apply_lambda(0x10357904, 0x1, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3559, 0x47e6c0]
   32 Feval(0x202f3c8c, 0x7ffef858, 0x1002ee30, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3068, 0x47d0f8]
   33 Fprogn(0x202f3c7c, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":746, 0x478390]
   34 Flet(0x202f3c94, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":920, 0x478ca4]
   35 Feval(0x202f3cdc, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":2992, 0x47cdfc]
   36 Fprogn(0x202f3c74, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":746, 0x478390]
   37 funcall_lambda(0x202f3c04, 0x1, 0x7fff0ef0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3628, 0x47ead4]
   38 apply_lambda(0x202f3c04, 0x1, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3559, 0x47e6c0]
   39 Feval(0x20b53864, 0x7ffef858, 0x1002ee30, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3086, 0x47d1ec]
   40 Fprogn(0x20b53854, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":746, 0x478390]
   41 Feval(0x20b5386c, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":2992, 0x47cdfc]
   42 primitive_funcall(0x47c8ac, 0x7ffef858, 0x7fff13dc, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3484, 0x47e26c]
   43 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   44 funcall_recording_as(0x1013670c, 0x1, 0x7fff13d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3207, 0x47d6d0]
   45 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   46 Fbyte_code(0x30298af8, 0x4032f460, 0x1, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   47 funcall_lambda(0x10302fa4, 0x1, 0x7fff1518, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   48 apply_lambda(0x10302fa4, 0x1, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3559, 0x47e6c0]
   49 Feval(0x20b53874, 0x7ffef858, 0x1002ee30, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3068, 0x47d0f8]
   50 primitive_funcall(0x47c8ac, 0x7ffef858, 0x7fff1844, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3484, 0x47e26c]
   51 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   52 funcall_recording_as(0x1013670c, 0x1, 0x7fff1840, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3207, 0x47d6d0]
   53 Ffuncall(0x2, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   54 Fbyte_code(0x30294148, 0x4032f520, 0x1, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":450, 0x4511d8]
   55 primitive_funcall(0x450e18, 0x7ffef858, 0x7fff1a38, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3488, 0x47e2a0]
   56 funcall_subr(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3526, 0x47e558]
   57 Feval(0x20185d6c, 0x7ffef858, 0x3, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3064, 0x47d0b8]
   58 condition_case_1(0x20185c94, 0x47c8ac, 0x20185d6c, 0x47a0f4) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1672, 0x47a084]
   59 Fcondition_case_3(0x20185d6c, 0x1031152c, 0x20185c94, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1735, 0x47a338]
   60 Fbyte_code(0x30294394, 0x4036b840, 0x8f, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/bytecode.c":655, 0x4519d0]
   61 funcall_lambda(0x10302f24, 0x2, 0x7fff1fb4, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3636, 0x47eb48]
   62 funcall_recording_as(0x102f5b04, 0x2, 0x7fff1fb0, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3210, 0x47d710]
   63 Ffuncall(0x3, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":3253, 0x47d884]
   64 call2(0x102f5b04, 0x10397c00, 0x305fbcfc, 0x7fff1fb0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":4010, 0x47f588]
   65 catch_them_squirmers_call2(0x20b538ac, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":4542, 0x480bec]
   66 condition_case_1(0x10121064, 0x480b98, 0x20b538ac, 0x48005c) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1672, 0x47a084]
   67 call2_trapping_errors(0x10019870, 0x102f5b04, 0x10397c00, 0x305fbcfc) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":4606, 0x481008]
   68 read_process_output(0x10397c00, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/process.c":1652, 0x4fb310]
   69 execute_internal_event(0x10397c00, 0x7ffef858, 0x10347004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":2734, 0x48d3dc]
   70 Fdispatch_event(0x10347004, 0x7ffef858, 0x10347004, 0x101c1900) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/event-stream.c":3820, 0x48f65c]
   71 Fcommand_loop_1(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":542, 0x4597fc]
   72 command_loop_1(0x10121004, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":462, 0x45953c]
   73 condition_case_1(0x10121064, 0x4594f4, 0x10121004, 0x458c38) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1672, 0x47a084]
   74 command_loop_3(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":224, 0x458df4]
   75 command_loop_2(0x10121004, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":235, 0x458e60]
   76 internal_catch(0x10133da4, 0x458e40, 0x10121004, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/eval.c":1347, 0x479a9c]
   77 initial_command_loop(0xf, 0x7ffef858, 0x7ffef8d8, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/cmdloop.c":273, 0x4590b0]
   78 main_1(0x1, 0x7fff2e44, 0x7fff2e4c, 0x0) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c":1317, 0x4761a4]
   79 main(0xf, 0x7fff2e44, 0x7fff2e4c, 0x1) ["/x/src/xemacs-19.14/src/emacs.c":1461, 0x4766c8]
   80 __istart() ["crt1tinit.s":13, 0x43ef50]
(dbx) 0x7ffef858/X
7ffef858:  00000000
(dbx) 0x7ffef8d8/X            
7ffef8d8:  00000000

(I'm a little confused by that select call. It looks like it's passing
in 0xf as the set of flags for file descriptors that it's interested
in, which would be FD's 0-3. But of the three sets of FD's to select
on, the read and write FD sets are empty, and the exception set is the
null set.)

At the Lisp level, it looks like I'm stuck in a sleep-for call. Has
anybody else seen this behavior? Any luck fixing it?

Thanks...

--
Rick Braumoeller
Silicon Graphics, Inc.
rickb@sgi.com

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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
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cbarker <cbarker@ce.berkeley.edu> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to switch to the next or previous buffer with a single
> command (keystroke)?
> 

C-x b  brings up the next item in the buffer list in the minibuffer - you can 
then use up and down arrows to scroll through the available buffers.  
There are also different  'hot' areas on the modeline that respond to 
the second mouse button.  If you move your mouse along the mode line, 
messages will pop up telling you what you can do (depending on you major 
mode etc.) clicking on the blue buffer name with button 2 will cycle 
you to the next buffer.  You can just keep clicking till you get where you 
want to go.  With several frames and several buffers, VM, GNUS etc. 
all open it can get confusing but it's still a useful function.


-- 
Graham Todd    http://www.yorku.ca/academics/gtodd                         
York University, Toronto ON Canada              

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

Erik> XEmacs is more drawn to the C style of programming, where the
Erik> Lisp is merely an extension language, and all the real work is
Erik> done at the C level.  Emacs is more drawn to the Lisp style of
Erik> programming, where Lisp is the real language, and C is just
Erik> necessary to implement the Lisp system and to optimize some
Erik> often-used processes, such as the redisplay engine.  this
Erik> difference permeates many aspects of each of the Emacsen.

Would you care to reconcile this statement with the current minibuffer
and command loop implementations of the Emacsen?  My growing suspicion
is that most of the current performance differences (Emacs 19.34 -vs-
XEmacs 19.14) are due to XEmacs putting too much code in Lisp that is
coded in C in Emacs.

-- 
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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> * Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
> | Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.
> please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
> articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend

Then how come I find that your participation in otherwise useful
discussions about XEmacs results in a flame war?  Is it you, or is it
everyone else?  But of course, *I* am the one who is insane.

> | Your way is "I don't flame XEmacs, it's just that I have this terrible
> | urge to intervene in every discussion about XEmacs about how crappy it
> | really is".
> excellent!  this will score you several points in the XEmacs crowd.  never
> mind that it utterly and completely false.  never mind that this is the
> kind of foul lie and idiotic exaggeration that virtually _defines_ how a
> good XEmacs user should behave towards the Enemy.  never mind that you are
> trying to portray me as something I am not, have never been, and never will
> be.  never mind that "intervene in every discussion about XEmacs" is such a
> silly exaggeration that even XEmacs users must be embarrassed.

Why don't you just refute my judgments, instead of speaking of "XEmacs
users behaving towards the Enemy"?  Your tone doesn't help the
discussion...  When I asked you to list some of those terrible XEmacs
bugs and asked why they don't happen to other people, you never
answered.

> I'm also saddened to see that it is so hard for an XEmacs user to
> distinguish between the lies and exaggerations and fraudulent marketing of
> XEmacs on the one hand and XEmacs itself on the other.  XEmacs is as good
> as any commercially hyped product, probably even better.  it is the
> despicable idiots who defend it, who lie about it, who do anything they can
> to hurt Emacs and the Free Software Foundation that is crappy.  people
> who's motives are destruction, whose character is of the same kind as Bill
> Gates', who also seeks to destroy his competition instead of being better
> than them on his own terms, the kind of scum who fights to win at all
> costs, no matter how large, not to improve or create anything.

Later in your article you request that I cool down.  Judging by the
quoted paragraph, you should be the one to cool down.  Defending
XEmacs is *not* the same as lying about it, hurting GNU Emacs and the
FSF, destroy, act like B.G., etc.  Seeing your other articles about
Emacs, I consider you a highly intelligent and competent person (in
spite of people from the "crowd" warning me otherwise).  I cannot
fathom how you can produce such rubbish as the paragraph above.

> | Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the most
> | hostile.
> wow!  this must be a ten-point exaggeration with the XEmacs crowd.

I may have not been clear enough -- hostilities against XEmacs.

> you know, if you could try to calm down a little, you would see how

Ha -- calm down!  This one is good. :)

> again, I'm not an XEmacs user, and I don't use the word "braindamaged" and
> "truth" in the same sentence:
> | OK, but then Ben has the same right to call some things in GNU Emacs
> | braindamaged -- why not, it's just the truth, after all?
> you don't understand the word "braindamaged".  look it up.

Are you sure you understood the sentence (in its context)?  I'll try
to explain, just in case you really did not understand.  If your
opinion is that XEmacs is bad and evil, and you feel free to say all
you think about it (which you consider the truth) without the least
bit of tactfulness, then other people have the right to behave the
same way to GNU Emacs -- just say whatever they think about it, using
the ugly terms like "braindamaged".  Get it?

> you might find it instructive to read what I _actually_ write, instead of
> inventing the crap you wish I had written.  I have never said any of the
> utterly stupid things you attribute to me.
> just quit lying, and there will no longer be a need to correct your lies.
> it's as simple as that.

I have tried, *very* hard, to read what you actually write.  I have
tried to find somewhere within it a person who only wishes to discuss
two pieces of software.  But I haven't.  All your posts concerning
XEmacs are full of general and personal insults to your
correspondents, and are not in the least helpful -- but you know it
quite well.  I am sorry about that, but I cannot change it.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Harkless <dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu> writes:

Dan> Is there any standard solution for the problem of filling text in
Dan> email or usenet replies that contain multiple levels of '>' or
Dan> other quoting?  For instance, how would you fill this text
Dan> (assuming fill-column of 20):

This is a wheel that has already been invented. :-)

(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

Works with Gnus and both Emacsen.
-- 
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Subject: gdb: ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work
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I switched to xemacs 19.14 and now when I run gdb in xemacs,  
ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work.  I get no response from gdb.  I.e., gdb
doesn't break.  The ctrl-c ctrl-c shortcut is indeed set to 
gdb-control-c-subjob.   If I try M-x gdb-control-c-subjob, nothing
happens either.

Any suggestions?

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From: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)
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Just to toss in my random 2 cents, I use emacs rather than Xemacs primarily
because I already had it before Xemacs showed up, and because even emacs has
too many features. Most of my .emacs file is dedicated to turning off and
utterly squashing all the thousands (sometimes it seems *billions*) of
"helpful" features that are configured by default. If I used Xemacs, I'd
just have a lot more stuff to disable :-).

Now if someone would produce an emacs that does realtime garbage collection
and supports multi-threaded lisp so things like GNUS could be doing hairy
header processing in one buffer while I can still edit a file in another
buffer, now *that's* a feature that would get me to switch emacsen!
-- 
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Didn't see this the first time I tried to post-

Maybe this time...


Kevin Ford <ksford@darkstar.nps.navy.mil> writes:

> 
> Hi All--
> 
> I've just upgraded from 19.13 to 19.14, and find that mailcrypt
> running with VM won't decrypt a message for me.  19.13 did this fine,
> and 19.14 seems to do some other things ok (encrypt, and fetch keys),
> but it won't decrypt a message, snarf keys, or verify a signature.
> Anonymous remailing functions also work fine.  The message it poops
> out in the mini-buffer is longer than the single line in the
> mini-buffer (how can I read all of these, and cut and paste them?),
> but here's what the first line says:
> 
> Invalid function: (macro . #<compiled-function (from "vm-misc.elc")
> nil "...(2)"
> 
> Any clues on how to fix this?
> 
> Thanks in advance, and please email in addition to posting.
> 
> Woops!  One other -- somebody posted a URL to get the fixed cc-mode.el
> which avoids a bug that somebody just mentioned.  The URL was
> http://www.python.org/pub/emacs, but there is no such link.
> 
> Anyone know where to find this fixed version of cc-mode.el?  I'll be
> needing it very soon.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________________
>  Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
> ____________________________________________
> __________________
> 
> Excessive login or logout messages are a sure sign of senility.
> 
> _______________________
> ____________Kevin S Ford__________
> _____________ksford@nps.navy.mil________
> 
> 

-- 

___________________________________________________________________________
 Plan ahead.  Promote swift colonization of the solar system...  *First* 
____________________________________________
__________________

A diplomat is a man who can convince his wife she'd look stout in a fur
coat.

_______________________
____________Kevin S Ford__________
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Help!

How do you type in accented characters with xemacs?
With emacs I could just type:  iso-accents-mode
but this doens't work with xemacs!
Help!

thanks,

Sean

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Hey there xemacs guru's,

I would have recently installed xemacs 19.14 and the common stuff 19.43
too.
To do this I just tar zxvf from the /usr/local directory as reccomended.
However when I run xemacs I get an error message and then immediatley
afterwards a segmentation violation. (No window appears, just a message
on stderr, then boom).

the message is as follows:
/usr/local/bin/i486-unknown-linuxelf/xemacs: can't resolve
symbol'_h_errno'


Please help, I don't want to continue using vi. 

			Paul J. Rider.

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           Changes to the XEmacs FAQ for the Month of October 1996
                                       
Modified Questions

    1. Q4.2.3 September 24 (Correction to toolbar function)
       
New Questions

    1. Q4.0.12 October 13 (VM Meta FAQ)
    2. Q4.3.5 October 1 (Location of pstogif program)
       
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                               XEmacs FAQ [1/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the guide to the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list -- a
   compendium of questions and answers pertaining to one of the finest
   programs ever written. It is much more than just a Text Editor.
   
   Learning XEmacs is a lifelong activity. I've been using Emacs for over
   a decade now, and I'm still discovering new features. Therefore this
   document cannot be complete. Instead it is aimed at the person who is
   either considering XEmacs for their own use, or has just obtained it
   and is wondering what to do next. It is also useful as a reference to
   available resources.
   
   The previous maintainer of the FAQ was Anthony Rossini
   <rossini@stat.sc.edu>, who started it, after getting tired of hearing
   JWZ complain about repeatedly having to answer questions. Ben Wing
   <ben@666.com> and Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>, the principal
   authors of XEmacs, then took over and Ben did a massive update
   reorganizing the whole thing. At which point Anthony took back over,
   but then had to give it up again . Some of the other contributors to
   this FAQ are listed later in this document.
   
   This version was converted to hypertext format, and edited by Steven
   L. Baur <steve@miranova.com>. Any mistakes and typographical errors
   are ultimately my responsibility.
   
   This FAQ is freely redistributable. I take no liability for the
   correctness and safety of any procedures or advice given here. This
   FAQ is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
   WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or
   FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html>, and also at:
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html>. This version is much
   nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Please see
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/XEmacs-FAQ-changes.html> for a
   comprehensive list of all changes made during the current month.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, Policy, Credits. [You are here]
          + 1.0 Introduction
               o Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?
               o Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs
               o Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?
               o Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?
               o Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?
               o Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?
               o Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?
               o Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or
                 NT)?
               o Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?
               o Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?
               o Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?
          + 1.1 Policies
               o Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?
               o Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?
               o Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?
          + 1.2 Credits
               o Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?
               o Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?
               o Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?
          + 1.3 Internationalization
               o Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?
               o Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka
                 MULE?
               o Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII
                 characters. How do I type them in?
               o Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come
                 out in a different language?
               o Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in
                 MULE/XEmacs 20.0
               o Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?
               o Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?
          + 1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
               o Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at
                 so I can build my own?
               o Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?
               o Q1.4.3 Any good XEmacs tutorials around?
               o Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function
                 that does something with text near the cursor?
               o Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?
               o Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a
                 function?
               o Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with
                 19.14 or 20.0?
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               1.0 Introduction
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.1 What is XEmacs?

   An alternative to GNU Emacs, originally based on an early alpha
   version of FSF's version 19. XEmacs was known as Lucid Emacs through
   version 19.10. Almost all features of GNU Emacs are supported in
   XEmacs (the ones that aren't supported are generally implemented in a
   better way in XEmacs). The maintainers of XEmacs actively track
   changes to GNU Emacs while also working to add new features never
   before seen in Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.2 What is the current version of XEmacs?

   The current version is 19.14, released on June 23, 1996.
   
   The disposition of 19.15 is undecided at present.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.3 Where can I find it?

   The canonical source and binaries is found via anonymous FTP at
   <URL:ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/xemacs/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.4 Why Another Version of Emacs

   For a detailed description of the differences between GNU Emacs and
   XEmacs and a detailed history of XEmacs, check out the
   <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/NEWS.html> file. However, here is a list of
   some of the reasons why we think you might consider using it:
     * It looks nicer.
     * The XEmacs maintainers are generally more receptive to suggestions
       than the GNU Emacs maintainers.
     * Many more bundled packages than GNU Emacs, all properly integrated
       with XEmacs.
     * Binaries are available for many common operating systems.
     * Face support on TTY's.
     * A built-in toolbar.
     * Better Motif compliance.
     * Some internationalization support (full MULE support starting with
       20.0).
     * Variable-width fonts.
     * Variable-height lines.
     * Marginal annotations.
     * ToolTalk support.
     * XEmacs can be used as an Xt widget, and can be embedded within
       another application.
     * Horizontal and vertical scrollbars (using real toolkit scrollbars)
     * Better APIs (and performance) for attaching fonts, colors, and
       other properties to text.
     * The ability to embed arbitrary graphics in a buffer.
     * Completely compatible (at the C level) with the Xt-based toolkits.
     * First production Web Browser supporting Style Sheets
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.5 Why Haven't XEmacs and GNU Emacs Merged?

   There are currently irreconcilable differences in the views about
   technical, programming, design and organizational matters between RMS
   and the XEmacs development team which provide little hope for a merge
   to take place in the short-term future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.6 Where can I get help?

   Probably the easiest way, if everything is installed, is to use info,
   by pressing C-h i, or selecting Emacs Info from the Help Menu. Also,
   M-x apropos will look for commands for you.
   
   Try reading this FAQ, examining the regular GNU Emacs FAQ (which can
   be found with the Emacs 19 distribution) as well as at
   <URL:http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/emacs/faq/> and reading the Usenet group
   comp.emacs.xemacs. If that does not help, try posting your question to
   comp.emacs.xemacs. Please Do Not post XEmacs related questions to
   gnu.emacs.help.
   
   If you cannot post or read Usenet news, there is a corresponding
   mailing list which is available. It can be subscribed to by sending
   mail to xemacs-request@xemacs.org for subscription information and
   xemacs@xemacs.org to send messages to the list.
   
   To cancel a subscription, you must use the xemacs-request address.
   
   Bug reports should be sent to the same locations.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.7 Where is the mailing list archived?

   The mailing list is archived in the directory
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org:/pub/mlists/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.8 How do you pronounce XEmacs?

   I pronounce it Eks eemax.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.9 What does XEmacs look like?

   Here are some Screen Snapshots:
    1. The Splash Screen
    2. C Mode
    3. Emacs Lisp Mode
    4. Wing-enhanced Psgml Mode
    5. W3, the Web Browser (Two snapshots courtesy of William Perry
       <wmperry@monolith.spry.com>).
          + W3 Home Page
          + HTML Writers Guild
          + University of Indiana
    6. Gnus 5, the News and Mail Reader
    7. VM, the Mail Reader
    8. Ediff (File Differences)
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL:http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at Microsoft
   expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to NT, but never
   went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.11 Is there a port of XEmacs to the Macintosh?

   There has been no port, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.12 Is there a port of XEmacs to NextStep?

   Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> did the port of FSF Emacs to
   NeXTstep and expressed interest in doing the XEmacs port, but never
   went any farther.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.13 Is there a port of XEmacs to OS/2?

   No, and there is no news of anyone working on it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.0.14 [This question intentionally left blank]

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.1 Policy
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.1 What is the FAQ editorial policy?

   The FAQ is actively maintained and modified regularly. All links
   should be up to date.
   
   Changes are displayed on a monthly basis. Months, for this purpose are
   defined as the 5th of the month through the 5th of the month.
   Preexisting questions that have been changed are marked as such. Brand
   new questions are tagged.
   
   All submissions are welcome. E-mail submissions to
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>. Please make sure that XEmacs FAQ
   appears on the Subject: line. If you think you have a better way of
   answering a question, or think a question should be included, I'd like
   to hear about it. Questions and answers included into the FAQ will be
   edited for spelling and grammar, and will be attributed. Answers
   appearing without attribution are either from versions of the FAQ
   dated before May 1996, or are from one of the four people listed at
   the top of this document. Answers quoted from Usenet news articles
   will always be attributed, regardless of the author.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.2 How do I become a Beta Tester?

   Write to Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> and request it.
   
   Be prepared to get your hands dirty, as beta testers are expected to
   identify problems as best they can.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.1.3 How do I contribute to XEmacs itself?

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   BTW if you have a wish list of things that you want added, you have to
   speak up about it! More specifically, you can do the following if you
   want a feature added (in increasing order of usefulness):
     * Make a posting about a feature you want added
     * Become a beta tester and make more postings about those same
       features
     * Convince us that you're going to use the features in some cool and
       useful way
     * Come up with a clear and well-thought-out API concerning the
       features
     * Write the code to implement a feature and send us a patch
       
   (not that we're necessarily requiring you to write the code, but we
   can always hope :)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                  1.2 Credits
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.1 Who wrote XEmacs?

   XEmacs is the result of the time and effort of many people. The
   developers responsible for the 19.14 release are:
     * Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> [Picture of Chuck Thompson]
     * Ben Wing <ben@666.com> [Picture of Ben Wing]
       
   Jamie Zawinski was Mr. Lucid Emacs from 19.0 through 19.10, the last
   release actually named Lucid Emacs. Richard Mlynarik was crucial to
   most of those releases.
     * Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> [Picture of Jamie Zawinski]
     * Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com>
       
   Along with many other contributors, partially enumerated in the About
   XEmacs option in the Help menu.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.2 Who contributed to this version of the FAQ?

   The following people contributed valuable suggestions to building this
   version of the FAQ (listed in alphabetical order):
     * Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
     * Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
     * Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>
     * Brian Denheyer <briand@iccom.com>
     * Markus Gutschke <gutschk@ESCHER.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
     * David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
     * Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au>
     * John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV>
     * David Vanderschel <DvdS@eden.com>
     * Aki Vehtari <ave@niksula.hut.fi>
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2.3 Who contributed to the FAQ in the past?

   This is only a partial list, as many names were lost in a hard disk
   crash some time ago.
     * Curtis.N.Bingham <binge@aloft.att.com>
     * Richard Caley <rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
     * William G. Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
     * Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu>
     * <fcg@philabs.Philips.COM>
     * Chris Flatters <cflatter@nrao.edu>
     * Evelyn Ginsparg <ginsparg@adra.com>
     * Marty Hall <hall@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
     * Arup Mukherjee <arup+@cmu.edu>
     * Juergen Nickelsen <nickel@prz.tu-berlin.de>
     * Kevin R. Powell <powell@csl.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
     * Stig <stig@hackvan.com>
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           1.3 Internationalization
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.1 What is the status of XEmacs v20?

   XEmacs v20 is the version of XEmacs that includes MULE
   (Asian-language) support. It's currently in beta and we have no
   release date set. When compiled without MULE support 20.0 is currently
   very similar to 19.14 (except for some changes to the byte-code
   format, some new primitive types including char, char-table, and
   range-table) and equally stable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.2 What is the status of Asian-language support, aka MULE?

   The MULE support works OK but still needs a fair amount of work before
   it's really solid. We could definitely use some help here, esp. people
   who speak Japanese and will use XEmacs/MULE to work with Japanese and
   have some experience with E-Lisp. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working full-time on this currently. If
   you can help out here, please see Q1.1.2.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.3 I speak a language that uses a lot of non-ASCII characters. How
	do I type them in?

   See Q3.5.7 in part 3 of this FAQ.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.4 Can I get the messages output by XEmacs to come out in a
	different language?

   The message-catalog support has mostly been written but doesn't
   currently work. The first release of XEmacs 20 will not support it.
   However, menubar localization does work, even in 19.14. To enable it,
   add to your Emacs file entries like this:

Emacs*XlwMenu.resourceLabels: True
Emacs*XlwMenu.file.labelString: Fichier
Emacs*XlwMenu.openInOtherWindow.labelString: In anderem Fenster ffnen

   The name of the resource is derived from the non-localized entry by
   removing punctuation and capitalizing as above. Martin Buchholz
   <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> is working on adding support for Asian
   language menubar localization to XEmacs 20.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.5 Please explain the various input methods in MULE/XEmacs 20.0

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   Original Mule supports following input methods: Wnn4, Wnn6, Canna, SJ3
   and XIM. Interfaces for Wnn and SJ3 uses the egg user interface.
   Interface for Canna does not use egg. I don't know about XIM. It is to
   support ATOK, of course, it may work for another servers.
   
   Wnn supports Japanese, Chinese and Korean. It is made by OMRON and
   Kyto university. It is a powerful and complex system. Wnn4 is free
   and Wnn6 is not free.
   
   Canna supports only Japanese. It is made by NEC. It is a simple and
   powerful system. Canna uses only grammar (Wnn uses grammar and
   probability between words), so I think Wnn is cleverer than Canna,
   however Canna users made a good grammar and dictionary. So for
   standard modern Japanese, Canna seems cleverer than Wnn4. In addition,
   the UNIX version of Canna is free (now there is a Microsoft Windows
   version).
   
   SJ3 supports only Japanese. It is made by Sony.
   
   XIM supports was made to use ATOK (a major input method in personal
   computer world). XIM is the standard for accessing input methods
   bundled in Japanese versions of Solaris. (XEmacs 20 will support XIM
   input).
   
   Egg consists of following parts:
    1. Input character Translation System (ITS) layer. It translates
       ASCII inputs to Kana/PinYin/Hangul characters.
    2. Kana/PinYin/Hangul to Kanji transfer layer. It is interface layer
       for network Kana-Kanji server (Wnn and Sj3).
       
   These input methods are modal, namely there are mode, alphabet mode
   and Kana-Kanji transfer mode. However there are mode-less input
   methods for Egg and Canna. Boiled-egg is a mode-less input method
   running on Egg. For Canna, canna.el has a tiny boiled-egg like
   command, (canna-boil), and there are some boiled-egg like utilities.
   
   In addition, it was planned to make an abstraction for all transfer
   type input methods. However authors of input methods are busy, so
   maybe this plan is stopped. Perhaps after Mule merged FSF Emacs will
   be released, it will be continued.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.6 How do I portably code for MULE/XEmacs 20.0?

   MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> writes:
   MULE and XEmacs are quite different. So the application implementor
   must write separate code for these mule variants.
   
   MULE and the next version of Emacs are similar but the symbols are
   very different -- requiring separate code as well.
   
   Namely we must support 3 kinds of mule variants and 4 or 5 or 6 kinds
   of emacs variants... (;_;)
   
   I'm shocked, so I wrote a wrapper package called emu to provide a
   common interface.
   
   I have the following suggestions about dealing with mule variants:
    1. (featurep 'mule) is t on all mule variants
    2. (boundp 'MULE) is t on only MULE. Maybe the next version of Emacs
       will not have this symbol.
    3. MULE has a variable mule-version. Perhaps the next version of
       Emacs will have this variable as well.
       
   Following is a sample to distinguish mule variants:
(if (featurep 'mule)
    (cond ((boundp 'MULE)
           ;; for original Mule
           )
          ((string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
           ;; for XEmacs with Mule
           )
          (t
           ;; for next version of Emacs
           ))
  ;; for old emacs variants
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3.7 How about Cyrillic Modes?

   Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> writes:
   There is a cyrillic mode in the file mysetup.zip in
   <URL:ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs/>. This is a
   modification to Valery Alexeev's <ava@math.jhu.ed> russian.el which
   can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://tut.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/packages
   /russian.el.Z>.
   
   Dima Barsky <d.barsky@ee.surrey.ac.uk> writes: There is another
   cyrillic mode for both GNU Emacs and XEmacs by Dmitrii (Mitya) Manin
   <manin@camelot.mssm.edu> at
   <URL:http://camelot.mssm.edu/~manin/cyr.el>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  1.4 Getting Started, Backing up & Recovery
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.1 What is a .emacs and is there one I can look at so I can build
	my own?

   The .emacs file is used to customize XEmacs to your tastes. No two are
   alike, nor are they expected to be alike, but that's the point. The
   XEmacs distribution contains an excellent starter example in the etc
   directory called sample.emacs. Copy this file from there to your home
   directory and rename it .emacs. Then edit it to suit.
   
   In 19.14 you may bring the sample.emacs into an XEmacs buffer by
   selecting Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar. To determine the
   location of the etc directory type the command C-h v data-directory
   RET.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.2 Can I use the same .emacs with the other Emacs?

   Yes. The sample .emacs included in the XEmacs distribution will show
   you how to handle different versions and flavors of Emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.3 Any good tutorials around?

   There's the XEmacs tutorial available from the Help Menu, or by typing
   C-h t.
   
   There's an Emacs Lisp tutorial at:
   <URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp-intro-1.04.tar.gz>.
   
   Erik Sundermann <erik@petaxp.rug.ac.be> has made a tutorial web page
   at <URL:http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.4 May I see an example of an XEmacs Lisp function that does
	something with text near the cursor?

   The following function does a little bit of everything useful. It does
   something with the prefix argument, it examines the text around the
   cursor, and it's interactive so it may be bound to a key. It inserts
   copies of the current word the cursor is sitting on at the cursor. If
   you give it a prefix argument: C-u 3 M-x double-word then it will
   insert 3 copies.
   
(defun double-word (count)
  "Insert a copy of the current word underneath the cursor"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let (here there string)
    (save-excursion
      (forward-word -1)
      (setq here (point))
      (forward-word 1)
      (setq there (point))
      (setq string (buffer-substring here there)))
    (while (>= count 1)
      (progn
        (insert string)
        (setq count (1- count))))))

   The best way to see what is going on here is to let XEmacs tell you.
   Put the code into an XEmacs buffer, and do a C-h f with the cursor
   sitting just to the right of the function you want explained. Eg. move
   the cursor to the SPACE between interactive and "*p" and hit C-h f to
   see what the function interactive does. Doing this will tell you that
   the * requires a writable buffer, and p converts the prefix argument
   to a number, and interactive allows you to execute the command with
   M-x.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.5 And how do I bind it to a key?

   To bind to a key do:
(global-set-key "\C-cd" 'double-word)

   Or interactively, M-x global-set-key and follow the prompts.
   
   Jari Aalto has written a guide to Emacs keys binding, available at
   <URL:ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-keys.gui>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.6 What's the difference between a macro and a function?

   Quoting from the Lisp Reference (a.k.a lispref) Manual:
   
   Macros enable you to define new control constructs and other language
   features. A macro is defined much like a function, but instead of
   telling how to compute a value, it tells how to compute another Lisp
   expression which will in turn compute the value. We call this
   expression the expansion of the macro.
   
   Macros can do this because they operate on the unevaluated expressions
   for the arguments, not on the argument values as functions do. They
   can therefore construct an expansion containing these argument
   expressions or parts of them.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.4.7 How come options saved with 19.13 don't work with 19.14 or
	20.0?

   There's a problem with options of the form:
(add-spec-list-to-specifier (face-property 'searchm-field 'font)
                            '((global (nil))))

   saved by a 19.13 XEmacs that causes a 19.14 XEmacs grief. You must
   delete these options. 19.14 no longer writes the options directly to
   .emacs which should allow us to deal with version incompatibilities
   better in the future.
   
   Options saved under XEmacs 19.13 are protected by code that
   specifically requires a version 19 XEmacs. This won't be a problem
   unless you're testing XEmacs v20. You should consider changing the
   code to read:

(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and (= emacs-major-version 19)
                (>= emacs-minor-version 12))
           (>= emacs-major-version 20)))
 ...

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 6 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section will change monthly, and contains any interesting items that
   have transpired over the previous month. If you are reading this from
   the XEmacs distribution, please see the version on the Web or archived
   at the various FAQ FTP sites, as this file is surely out of date.
   
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Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events [You are here]
          + Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?
          + Q6.0.2 Printing problems in XEmacs 19.14
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                Current Events
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.1 What will be in 19.15?

   For the curious, the biggest changes in 19.15 will include integration
   of TM (a MIME package for VM and GNUS), EFS (the next generation of
   ange-ftp), and Auc-TeX, and a lite distribution that includes a
   minimal base and a set of optional packages (which will include TM,
   EFS, and Auc-TeX, as well as all of the large packages currently
   distributed with XEmacs). There will also still be a full distribution
   that includes all the optional packages.
   
   In the longer term, we are also working on a separate branch of XEmacs
   that includes full Asian-language (MULE) support. This work is
   currently in beta and is being supported by Sun Microsystems.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q6.0.2 Printing problems in 19.14

   There have been widespread reports of printing problems in XEmacs
   19.14. There is one nasty bug that also appears in GNU Emacs, that may
   be causing difficulties.
   
   If you are having troubles with postscript printing, go into the file
   lisp/packages/ps-print.el and look for the variable ps-print-prologue.
   There are four bogus comment lines that look like:
    1. % \20x
    2. % \24x
    3. % \30x
    4. % \34x
       
   Just delete them, and rebytecompile the file by typing at the command
   line:

xemacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile ps-print.el

   This change should allow you to print postscript. Please note that
   this bug also appears in GNU Emacs 19.34.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   L. Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong?
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names
               o Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs?
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why!
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
               o Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void:
                 hkey-help-show
               o Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
   do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
   them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at
   <URL:ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/>
   <URL:ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. The name XEmacs is unfortunate in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable character terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/aux/>. The canonical locations are as
   follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL:ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>. 0.89c is current. XEmacs
          requires a fairly recent version to avoid using temporary
          files.
          <URL:ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs?

   Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is built.
   The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs is then
   run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then dumped into
   a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of the
   preloaded lisp functions and data.
   
   Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
   written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function is
   obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads to
   an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
   damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
   binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.
   
   The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
   dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
   if you install from sources (as temacs is not part of the binary
   kits).
   
   Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:
   Here is the trick:
    1. [ configure; make ]
    2. cd src
    3. rm xemacs
    4. strip temacs
    5. cd ..
    6. make
    7. cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
    8. cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs
       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   If you just don't want to see the *Warnings* buffer at startup time,
   you can set this:

(setq display-warning-minimum-level 'error)

   The buffer still exists; it just isn't in your face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColor     black
xemacs*pointerColor    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   XEmacs startup, which says Color Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL:http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
   Morten Welinder <terra@diku.dk> writes:
   On some (but not all) machines a hung XEmacs can be revived by kill
   -FPE <pid>. This is a hack, of course, not a solution. This technique
   works on a Sun4 running 4.1.3_U1. To see if it works for you, start
   another XEmacs and test with that first. If you get a core dump the
   method doesn't work and if you get Arithmetic error then it does.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
       Curtiss <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> suggests upgrading to ld.so
       version 1.8 if dynamic linking and debugging is a problem on
       Linux.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. If you compiled 19.14 with --debug (or by default in 19.15),
            you will get a Lisp backtrace output when XEmacs crashes, so
            you'll have something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could
            try doing call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even
            after a fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10

   From the problems database (through
   <URL:http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> adds:
   Apparently somebody has found the reason why there is this poll:
   interrupted... message for each event. For some reason, libcurses
   reimplements a select() system call, in a highly broken fashion. The
   fix is to add a -lc to the link line before the -lxcurses. XEmacs will
   then use the right version of select().
   
   Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> writes:
   The real solution is to not link -lcurses in! I just changed -lcurses
   to -ltermcap in the Makefile and it fixed :
    1. the poll: interrupted system call message
    2. a more serious problem I had discovered in the meantime, that is
       the fact that subprocess handling was seriously broken:
       subprocesses e.g. started by AUCTeX for TeX compilation of a
       buffer would hang. Actually they would wait forever for emacs to
       read the socket which connects stdout...
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

   This is a problem with a partially loaded hyperbole. Try adding:
(require 'hmouse-drv)

   where you load hyperbole and the problem should go away.
   

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                               XEmacs FAQ [4/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 4 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to major XEmacs subsystems.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html>, and also
   at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-subsystems.html>. This
   version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are
   archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q4.3.5 was updated on October 7.
    2. Q4.0.12 was added on October 13.
       
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems [You are here]
          + 4.0 Reading Mail with VM
               o Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote
                 site using POP?
               o Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?
               o Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically
                 (asynchronously) check for and retrieve new mail every
                 so often?
               o Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?
               o Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail.
                 How can I tell VM to ignore them when doing a
                 "reply-all"?
               o Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?
               o Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM
               o Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail
               o Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?
               o Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical
                 smilies?
               o Q4.0.12 Customization of VM not covered in the manual or
                 here [new]
          + 4.1 Web browsing with W3
               o Q4.1.1 What is W3?
               o Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?
          + 4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
               o Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus,
                 Red Gnus, argh!
               o Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?
               o Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame?
               o Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?
          + 4.3 Other Mail & News
               o Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?
                 [updated]
               o Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?
               o Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why
                 isn't it working?
               o Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can
                 that cause problems?
               o Q4.3.5 Where do I find pstogif (required by tm)?
                 [updated]
          + 4.4 Sparcworks, EOS, and WorkShop
               o Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop
          + 4.5 Energize
               o Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?
          + 4.6 Infodock
               o Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?
          + 4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
               o Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?
               o Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?
               o Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14
               o Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.0 Reading Mail with VM
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.1 How do I set up VM to retrieve mail from a remote site using
	POP?

   Use vm-spool-files, like this for example:
(setq vm-spool-files '("/var/spool/mail/wing"
                       "netcom23.netcom.com:110:pass:wing:MYPASS"))

   Of course substitute your actual password for MYPASS.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.2 How do I get VM to filter mail for me?

   One possibility is to use procmail to split your mail before it gets
   to VM. I prefer this personally, since there are many strange and
   wonderful things one can do with procmail. Procmail may be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/procmail/>.
   
   Also see the Mail Filtering FAQ at:
   <:URL:http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/mail/filterin
   g-faq/faq.html>.
   
   Another possibility is to check out Gnus 5. Gnus 5 has mail splitting
   capability, and can use VM as a mail reading backend.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.3 How can I get VM to automatically (asynchronously) check for
	and retrieve new mail every so often?

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   Use the following:

(setq vm-auto-get-new-mail 60)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.4 [Tis question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.5 How do I get my outgoing mail archived?

(setq mail-archive-file-name "~/outbox")

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.6 I have various addresses at which I receive mail. How can I
	tell VM to ignore them when doing a "reply-all"?

   Set vm-reply-ignored-addresses to a list, like
(setq vm-reply-ignored-addresses '("wing@netcom[0-9]*.netcom.com"
                                   "wing@netcom.com" "wing@666.com"))

   Note that each string is a regular expression.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.7 Is there a mailing list or FAQ for VM?

   There is no archived FAQ for VM. Kyle Jones
   <kyle_jones@wonderworks.com> writes:
   No, I'm too atavistic to write one. For some reason I'd rather just
   answer the questions myself. I guess it serves a purpose in that the
   VM user community knows that I'm still alive, despite the 9 months
   since the last release.
   
   VM has its own newsgroup: gnu.emacs.vm.info.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.8 Remote Mailreading with VM

   My mailbox lives at the office on a big honkin server. My regular
   INBOX lives on my honkin desktop machine. I now can PPP to the office
   from home which is far from honking... I'd like to be able to read
   mail at home without storing it here and I'd like to use xemacs and VM
   at home... Is there a recommended setup?
   
   Joseph J. Nuspl Jr. <nuspl@nvwls.cc.purdue.edu> writes:
   There are several ways to do this.
    1. Set your display to your home machine and run dxpc or one of the
       other X compressors.
    2. NFS mount your desktop machine on your home machine and modify
       your pop command on your home machine to rsh to your desktop
       machine and actually do the pop get's.
    3. Run a POP server on your desktop machine as well and do a sort of
       two tiered POP get.
       
   William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> adds:
   Or you could run a pop script periodically on your desktop machine,
   and just use ange-ftp or NFS to get to your mailbox. I used to do this
   all the time back at IU.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.9 rmail or VM gets an error incorporating new mail

   From the XEmacs PROBLEMS file:
   Rmail and VM get new mail from /usr/spool/mail/$USER using a program
   called movemail. This program interlocks with /bin/mail using the
   protocol defined by /bin/mail.
   
   There are two different protocols in general use. One of them uses the
   flock system call. The other involves creating a lock file; movemail
   must be able to write in /usr/spool/mail in order to do this. You
   control which one is used by defining, or not defining, the macro
   MAIL_USE_FLOCK in config.h or the m- or s- file it includes. IF YOU
   DON'T USE THE FORM OF INTERLOCKING THAT IS NORMAL ON YOUR SYSTEM, YOU
   CAN LOSE MAIL!
   
   If your system uses the lock file protocol, and fascist restrictions
   prevent ordinary users from writing the lock files in /usr/spool/mail,
   you may need to make `movemail' setgid to a suitable group such as
   `mail'. To do this, use the following commands (as root) after doing
   the make install.

        chgrp mail movemail
        chmod 2755 movemail

   Installation normally copies movemail from the build directory to an
   installation directory which is usually under /usr/local/lib. The
   installed copy of movemail is usually in the directory
   /usr/local/lib/emacs/VERSION/TARGET. You must change the group and
   mode of the installed copy; changing the group and mode of the build
   directory copy is ineffective.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.10 How do I make VM stay in a single frame?

   John S Cooper <John.Cooper@Eng.Sun.COM> writes:
; Don't use multiple frames
(setq vm-frame-per-composition nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-folder nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-edit nil)
(setq vm-frame-per-summary nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.11 How do I make VM or mh-e display graphical smilies?

   For mh-e use the following:
(add-hook 'mh-show-mode-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                        (point-max))))

   For vm use the following:
(require 'messagexmas)
(require 'smiley)
(add-hook 'vm-select-message-hook '(lambda () (smiley-region (point-min)
                                                             (point-max))))

   For tm use the following:
(autoload 'smiley-buffer "smiley" nil t)
(add-hook 'mime-viewer/plain-text-preview-hook 'smiley-buffer)

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.0.12 Customization of VM not covered in the manual, or here [new]

   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> writes:
   The meta-answer is to look into the file vm-vars.el, in the vm
   directory of the lisp library.
   
   vm-vars.el contains, initializes and carefully describes, with
   examples of usage, the plethora of user options that fully control
   VM's behavior.
   
   Enter vm-vars, forward-search for toolbar, find the variables that
   control the toolbar placement, appearance, existence, copy to your
   .emacs or .vm and modify according to the detailed instructions.
   
   The above also applies to all the various features of VM: search for
   some keywords, maybe the first you conjure isn't appropriate, find the
   appropriate variables, copy and experiment.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                           4.1 Web browsing with W3
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.1 What is W3?

   An advanced graphical browser written in Emacs lisp that runs on
   XEmacs. It has full support for cascaded style sheets, and more ... It
   has a home web page at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1.2 How do I run W3 from behind a firewall?

   There is a long, well-written, detailed section in the W3 manual that
   describes how to do this. Look in the section entitled Firewalls.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                    4.2 Reading Netnews and Mail with Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.1 GNUS, (ding) GNUS, Gnus 5, sgnus, September Gnus, Red Gnus,
	argh!

   Please see <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.2 What version of Gnus will be included with 19.14?

   Gnus 5.2.25 was included in XEmacs 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.3 How do I make Gnus stay within a single frame? [updated]

   When starting Gnus from the toolbar it is automatically put into a new
   frame. Gnus not being frame-aware code, has no provision to disable
   this feature. If you feel this is a problem here are some workarounds:
    1. Don't start Gnus from the toolbar, use M-x gnus. This is what I
       do.
    2. Redefine the function called by the toolbar:

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run Gnus in the frame it was started from."
  (interactive)
  (gnus))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2.4 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             4.3 Other Mail & News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.1 How can I read and/or compose MIME messages?

   One answer is tra-vm-mime. You may find it at
   <URL:http://lenkkari.cs.tut.fi/~tra/software/tra-vm-mime.el>.
   
   Another possibility is RMIME. You may find RMIME at
   <URL:http://www.cinti.net/~rmoody/rmime/index.html>.
   
   You probably want to use the Tools for MIME. See the next question for
   details.
   
   Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu> has an Emacs & MIME web page at
   <URL:http://bmrc.berkeley.edu/~trey/emacs/mime.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.2 What is TM and where do I get it?

   TM stands for Tools for MIME and not Tiny MIME. TM integrates with all
   major XEmacs packages like Gnus (all flavors), VM, MH-E, and
   mailcrypt. It provides totally transparent and trouble-free MIME
   support. When appropriate a message will be decoded in place in an
   XEmacs buffer.
   
   TM was written by MORIOKA Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp> and KOBAYASHI
   Shuhei <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It is based on the work of UMEDA
   Masanobu <umerin@mse.kyutech.ac.jp>, the original writer of GNUS. The
   following information is from the README.
   
   tm is a MIME package for GNU Emacs. tm has following functions:
     * MIME style multilingual header
     * MIME message viewer (mime/viewer-mode)
     * MIME message composer (mime/editor-mode)
     * MIME extenders for mh-e, GNUS, RMAIL and VM
       
   tm is available from following anonymous ftp site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/> (Japan)
   and its mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (US)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   Don't let the installation procedure & instructions stop you from
   trying this package out -- it's much simpler than it looks, and once
   installed, trivial to use.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.3 What's the deal with this movemail program? Why isn't it
	working?

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   It wasn't chown'ed/chmod'd correctly.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.4 Movemail is also distributed by Netscape? Can that cause
	problems?

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   Yes. Always use the movemail installed with your XEmacs. Failure to do
   so can result in lost mail.
   
   Please refer to Jamie Zawinski's <jwz@netscape.com> notes at
   <URL:http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/2.0/relnotes/demo/movemail.h
   tml>. In particular, this document will show you how to make Netscape
   use the version of movemail configured for your system by the person
   who built XEmacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3.5 Where do I find pstogif (required by tm)? [updated]

   pstogif is part of the latex2html package.
   
   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   latex2html is best found at the CTAN hosts and their mirrors in
   tex-archive/support/latex2html.
   
   CTAN hosts are
     * <URL:ftp://ftp.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/support/latex2html/>.
     * <URL:ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/support/latex2html/>.
       
   there is a good mirror at ftp.cdrom.com.
   
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/tex/ctan/support/latex2html/>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                            4.4 SPARCworks and EOS
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4.1 What is SPARCworks, EOS, and WorkShop

   John Turner <turner@xdiv.LANL.GOV> writes:
   SPARCworks is SunSoft's development environment, comprising compilers
   (C, C++, FORTRAN 77, Fortran 90, Ada, and Pascal), a debugger, and
   other tools such as TeamWare (for configuration management), MakeTool,
   etc.
   
   See <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Developer-products/products.html>
   for more info.
   
   EOS stands for Era on SPARCworks, but I don't know what Era stands
   for.
   
   EOS is the integration of XEmacs with the SPARCworks debugger. It
   allows one to use an XEmacs frame to view code (complete with
   fontification, etc.), set breakpoints, print variables, etc., while
   using the SPARCworks debugger. It works very well and I use it all the
   time. Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org> writes:
   Era stood for Emacs Rewritten Again. It was what we were calling the
   modified version of Lucid Emacs for Sun when I was dragged, er,
   allowed to work on this wonderful editor.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   EOS is being replaced with a new graphical development environment
   called Sun WorkShop, which is currently (07/96) in Alpha Test. For
   more details, check out
   <URL:http://www.sun.com/sunsoft/Products/Developer-products/programs.h
   tml>.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.5 Energize
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5.1 What is/was Energize?

   David N Gray <gray@meteor.harlequin.com> writes:
   The files in lisp/energize are to enable Emacs to interface with the
   Energize Programming System, a C and C++ development environment,
   which was a product of Lucid, Inc. Tragically, Lucid went out of
   business in 1994, so although Energize is still a great system, if you
   don't already have it, there isn't any way to get it now. (Unless you
   happen to be in Japan; INS Engineering may still be selling it there.
   Tartan bought the rights to sell it in the rest of the world, but
   never did so.)
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                 4.6 Infodock
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6.1 What is Infodock?

   NB: the information in this section is quite dated.
   
   InfoDock is an integrated productivity toolset, mainly aimed at
   technical people. It is built atop the XEmacs variant of GNU Emacs and
   so has all of the power of Emacs, but with an easier to use and more
   comprehensive menu-based user interface. The next section describes
   how it differs from XEmacs and GNU Emacs from the Free Software
   Foundation.
   
   The quickest way to get a feel for InfoDock is to browse the InfoDock
   Manual, especially the section on tools. This will help you decide
   whether or not to download InfoDock for local use. This manual is
   available in gzipped Postscript form, alongside the InfoDock
   distribution. (See below for FTP retrieval instructions.)
   
   InfoDock is aimed at people who want a free, turn-key productivity
   environment. Although InfoDock is customizable, it is not intended for
   people who like basic versions of Emacs which need to be customized
   extensively for local use; standard Emacs distributions are better for
   such uses. InfoDock is for those people who want a complete,
   pre-customized environment in one package, which they need not touch
   more than once or twice a year to update to new revisions.
   
   InfoDock is pre-built for SPARCstations running SunOS V4 or V5
   (Solaris). It is intended for use on a color display, although most
   features will work on monochrome monitors. Simply unpack InfoDock
   according to the instructions in the ID-INSTALL file and you are ready
   to run.
   
   The InfoDock Manual is concise, yet sufficient as a user guide for
   users who have never used an Emacs-type editor before. For users who
   are already familiar with Emacs, it supplements the information in the
   GNU Emacs Manual.
   
   InfoDock menus are much more extensive and more mature than standard
   Emacs menus. Each menu offers a Manual item which displays
   documentation associated with the menu's functions.
   
   Three types of menubars are provided:
    1. An extensive menubar providing access to global InfoDock commands.
    2. Mode-specific menubars tailored to the current major mode.
    3. A simple menubar for basic editing to help novices get started
       with InfoDock.
       
   Most modes also include mode-specific popup menus. Additionally,
   region and rectangle popup menus are included.
     * Hyperbole, the everyday information manager, is a core part of
       InfoDock. This provides context-sensitive mouse keys, a
       rolodex-type contact manager, programmable hypertext buttons, and
       an autonumbered outliner with embedded hyperlink anchors.
     * PIEmail, the prototype Personalized Information Environment Mail
       Tool, is included.
     * The OO-Browser, a multi-language object-oriented code browser, is
       a standard part of InfoDock.
       
   InfoDock saves a more extensive set of user options than other Emacs
   versions.
   
   InfoDock inserts a useful file header in many file types, showing the
   author, summary, and last modification time of each file. A summary
   program can then be used to summarize all of the files in a directory,
   for easy MANIFEST file creation.
   
   Your working set of buffers is automatically saved and restored (if
   you answer yes to a prompt) between InfoDock sessions.
   
   Refined color choices for code highlighting are provided for both dark
   and light background display frames.
   
   The C-z key prefix performs frame-based commands which parallel the
   C-x key prefix for window-based commands.
   
   The Smart Menu system is included for producing command menus on dumb
   terminals. (InfoDock does not yet run on dumb terminals but will in
   1995.)
   
   Lisp libraries are better categorized according to function.
   
   Extensions and improvements to many areas of Emacs are included, such
   as: paragraph filling, mail reading with Rmail, shell handling,
   outlining, code highlighting and browsing, and man page browsing.
   
   InfoDock questions, answers and discussion should go to the mail list
   <URL:mailto:infodock@hub.ucsb.edu>. Use
   <URL:mailto:infodock-request@hub.ucsb.edu> to be added or removed from
   the list. Always include your InfoDock version number when sending
   help requests.
   
   InfoDock is available across the Internet via anonymous FTP. To get
   it, first move to a directory into which you want the InfoDock archive
   files placed. We will call this <DIST-DIR>.

   cd <DIST-DIR>

   FTP to ftp.cs.uiuc.edu (Internet Host ID = 128.174.252.1):
   prompt> ftp ftp.cs.uiuc.edu

   Login as anonymous with your own <user-id>@<site-name> as a password.
   Name (ftp.cs.uiuc.edu): anonymous
   331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
   Password: -<your-user-id@your-domain>
   230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.

   Move to the location of the InfoDock archives:
   ftp> cd pub/xemacs/infodock

   Set your transfer mode to binary:
   ftp> bin
   200 Type set to I.

   Turn off prompting:
   ftp> prompt
   Interactive mode off.

   Retrieve the InfoDock archives that you want, either by using a get
   <file> for each file you want or by using the following to get a
   complete distribution, including all binaries:

   ftp> mget ID-INSTALL
   ftp> mget id-*

   Close the FTP connection:
   ftp> quit
   221 Goodbye.

   Read the ID-INSTALL file which you just retrieved for step-by-step
   installation instructions.
   
   Note: Hyperbole, the KOutliner, and OO-Browser are included in XEmacs
   19.14.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                         4.7 Other Unbundled Packages
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.1 What is AucTeX? Where do you get it?

   AucTeX is a package written by Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>.
   The following information is from the README and website.
   
   AUC TeX is an extensible package that supports writing and formatting
   TeX files for most variants of GNU Emacs. Many different macro
   packages are supported, including AMS TeX, LaTeX, and TeXinfo.
   
   The most recent version is always available by ftp at
   <URL:ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz>.
   
   In case you don't have access to anonymous ftp, you can get it by an
   email request to <URL:mailto:ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com>.
   
   WWW users may want to check out the AUC TeX page at
   <URL:http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.2 Are there any Emacs Lisp Spreadsheets?

   Yes. Check out dismal (which stands for Dis' Mode Ain't Lotus) at
   <URL:ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/local/fox/dismal/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.3 Byte compiling AucTeX on XEmacs 19.14

   Georges Brun-Cottan <bruncott@dormeur.inria.fr> writes:
   You must use the command

xemacs -batch -l lpath.el

   when byte compiling auxtex-9.4g.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX

   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
   a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
   Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> (clap clap) in particular his
   easymenu package. Which leads to what is probably the problem ...
   
   Most problems with AucTeX are one of two things:
    1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
       Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly before installing
    2. You have an old version of easymenu.el in your path
       Fix: use locate-library and remove old versions to make sure it
       only finds the one that came with XEmacs.
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [3/6]
                                       
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 3 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Customization and screen settings.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-customization.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options [You are here]
          + 3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
               o Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?
               o Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without
                 switching to the *scratch* buffer?
               o Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly
               o Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?
               o Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?
               o Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer
                 other than the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?
          + 3.1 X Window System & Resources
               o Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?
               o Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?
               o Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width
                 characters) and (set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs
                 instead of specifying Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
                 .Xdefaults but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified
                 Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .emacs but this does
                 not work in XEmacs 19.13.
               o Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not
                 include the name of the current file in it?
               o Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the
                 full directory/name of the current buffer file and not
                 just the name?
               o Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose
                 class name according to xprop, is junk. This is the way
                 it's supposed to work, I think. When I run xemacs -name
                 junk the class name is not set to junk. It's still
                 emacs. What does xemacs -name really do? The reason I
                 ask is that my window manager (fvwm) will make a window
                 sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I want that
                 XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use the
                 window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
                 gives?
               o Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't
                 work right.
          + 3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
               o Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color
                 options from my .emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?
               o Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?
               o Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors
                 when highlighting a region?
               o Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?
               o Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use
                 them
          + 3.3 The Modeline
               o Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?
               o Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line or column
                 number in the modeline?
               o Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the
                 modeline?
               o Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the
                 current chapter/section/... is given in the modeline.
                 How can I turn this off?
               o Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline
                 based on the mode used?
               o Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]
          + 3.4 Multiple Device Support
               o Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a
                 frame on another screen of my display?
               o Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after
                 calling up over a modem? How do I do it?
          + 3.5 The Keyboard
               o Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to
                 keys?
               o Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding
                 empty lines at the bottom of my buffers?
               o Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line
                 and C-; to scroll down by one line...
               o Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?
               o Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time
               o Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?
               o Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?
               o Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward
                 ] 'delete-char) complain?
               o Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?
               o Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?
          + 3.6 The Cursor
               o Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little
                 thicker than one-pixel thick since I lose it?
               o Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor
                 where the cursor covers the character in front of the
                 point?
               o Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?
          + 3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
               o Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?
               o Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse
                 buttons?
               o Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the
                 entries get highlighted when I move the mouse over them
                 but clicking the left mouse does not do anything.
               o Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I
                 hit button 3 on the mouse?
               o Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs
                 and a cmdtool?
               o Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where
                 the text cursor is, not where the mouse pointer lies?
               o Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?
               o Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?
          + 3.8 The Menubar and Toolbar
               o Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?
               o Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?
               o Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in
                 the menu Buffers list?
               o Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like
                 Emacs*menubar*font to set the font of the menubar but
                 it's not working.
               o Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will
                 turn the toolbar on and off?
          + 3.9 Scrollbars
               o Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?
               o Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar
                 colors?
               o Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it
                 moves the point as well, which should not be the default
                 behavior. Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?
               o Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?
          + 3.10 Text Selections
               o Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted
                 selections?
               o Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some
                 text and start typing, the typed text replaces the
                 selected text?
               o Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am
                 doing isearch as I am not able to see what's underneath.
                 How do I turn it off?
               o Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p
                 (mark-page). How do I turn this feature off?
               o Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward
                 and hit the end of the buffer. How do I turn this
                 feature off?
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                  3.0 Customization -- Emacs Lisp and .emacs
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.1 What version of Emacs am I running?

   How can .emacs determine which of the family of Emacsen I am using?
   
   To determine if you are currently running GNU Emacs 18, GNU Emacs 19,
   XEmacs 19, or Epoch, and use appropriate code, check out the example
   given in etc/sample.emacs. There are other nifty things in there as
   well!
   
   For all new code, a simple
(defvar running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

   is all you really need to do.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.2 How can I evaluate Emacs-Lisp expressions without switching to
	the *scratch* buffer?

(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)

   This sets it so that hitting ESC ESC lets you type a single expression
   to be evaluated. This line can also be put into your .emacs. Starting
   with XEmacs 19.14, this function is bound to ESC : or ESC ESC : by
   default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.3 (setq tab-width 6) behaves oddly

   If you put (setq tab-width 6) in your .emacs file it does not work! Is
   there a reason for this? If you do it at the EVAL prompt it works
   fine!! How strange.
   
   Use setq-default instead, since tab-width is all-buffer-local.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.4 How can I add directories to the load-path?

   Here are two ways to do that, one that puts your directories at the
   front of the load-path, the other at the end:

;;; Add things at the beginning of the load-path, do not add
;;; duplicate directories:
(if (null (member "bar" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "bar" load-path)))

(if (null (member "foo" load-path))
    (setq load-path (cons "foo" load-path)))

;;; Add things at the end, unconditionally
(setq load-path (append load-path '("foo" "bar")))

   keith (k.p.) hanlan <keithh@nortel.ca> writes:
   To add directories using Unix shell metacharacters use
   expand-file-name like this:

(setq load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~keithh/.emacsdir") load-path))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.5 How to check if a lisp function is defined?

   Use the following elisp:
(fboundp 'foo)

   It's almost always a mistake to test emacs-version or any similar
   variables.
   
   Instead, use feature-tests, such as featurep or boundp or fboundp, or
   even simple behavioural tests, eg.

(defvar foo-old-losing-code-p
  (condition-case nil (progn (losing-code t) nil)
   (wrong-number-of-arguments t)))

   There is an incredible amount of broken code out there which could
   work much better more often in more places if it did the above instead
   of trying to divine its environment from the value of one variable.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.0.6 Can I force the output of (face-list) to a buffer other than
	the minibuffer since it is too wide to fit?

   Evaluate the expression in the *scratch* buffer with point on the
   rightmost paren and typing C-j.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                        3.1 X Window System & Resources
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.1 Where is a list of X resources?

   Search through the NEWS file for X Resources. A fairly comprehensive
   list is given after it.
   
   In addition, an app-defaults file is supplied, etc/Emacs.ad, listing
   the defaults. The file etc/sample.Xdefaults gives a set of defaults
   that you might consider. It is essentially the same as etc/Emacs.ad
   but some entries are slightly altered. Be careful about installing the
   contents of this file into your .Xdefaults or .Xresources file if you
   use GNU Emacs under X11 as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.2 How can I detect a color display?

   You can test the return value of the function (device-class), as in:
(when (eq (device-class) 'color)
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-comment-face "Grey")
  (set-face-foreground  'font-lock-string-face  "Red")
  ....
  )

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.3 In Lucid Emacs 19.6 I did (set-screen-width characters) and
	(set-screen-height lines) in my .emacs instead of specifying
	Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my .Xdefaults but this does not
	work in XEmacs 19.13.

   These two functions now take frame arguments:
(set-frame-width (selected-frame) characters)
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) lines)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.4 In XEmacs 19.11 I specified Emacs*EmacsScreen.geometry in my
	.emacs but this does not work in XEmacs 19.13.

   We have switched from using the term 'screen' to using the term frame.
   The correct entry for your .Xdefaults is now:

Emacs*EmacsFrame.geometry

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.5 How can I get the icon to just say XEmacs and not include the
	name of the current file in it?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-icon-title-format "XEmacs")

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.6 How can I have the window title area display the full
	directory/name of the current buffer file and not just the name?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq frame-title-format "%S: %f")

   A more sophisticated title might be:
(setq frame-title-format
  '("%S: " (buffer-file-name "%f" (dired-directory dired-directory "%b"))))

   That is, use the file name, or the dired-directory, or the buffer
   name.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1.7 When I run xterm -name junk I get an xterm whose class name
	according to xprop, is junk. This is the way it's supposed to
	work, I think.  When I run xemacs -name junk the class name is
	not set to junk. It's still emacs. What does xemacs -name
	really do? The reason I ask is that my window manager (fvwm)
	will make a window sticky and I use XEmacs to read my mail. I
	want that XEmacs window to be sticky, without having to use
	the window manager's function to set the window sticky. What
	gives?

   xemacs -name sets the application name for the program (that is, the
   thing which normally comes from argv[0]). Using -name is the same as
   making a copy of the executable with that new name. The WM_CLASS
   property on each frame is set to the frame-name, and the
   application-class. So, if you did xemacs -name FOO and then created a
   frame named BAR, you'd get an X window with WM_CLASS = ( "BAR",
   "Emacs"). However, the resource hierarchy for this widget would be

Name:    FOO   .shell             .container   .BAR
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   instead of the default
Name:    xemacs.shell             .container   .emacs
Class:   Emacs .TopLevelEmacsShell.EmacsManager.EmacsFrame

   It is arguable that the first element of WM_CLASS should be set to the
   application-name instead of the frame-name, but I think that's less
   flexible, since it does not give you the ability to have multiple
   frames with different WM_CLASS properties. Another possibility would
   be for the default frame name to come from the application name
   instead of simply being emacs. However, at this point, making that
   change would be troublesome: it would mean that many users would have
   to make yet another change to their resource files (since the default
   frame name would suddenly change from emacs to xemacs, or whatever the
   executable happened to be named), so we'd rather avoid it.
   
   To make a frame with a particular name use:
(make-frame '((name . "the-name")))

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Subject: Q3.1.8 When I start up XEmacs using -iconic it doesn't work right.

   Using -unmapped on the command line, and setting the initiallyUnmapped
   X Resource don't seem to help much either ...
   
   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   Ugh, this stuff is such an incredible mess that I've about given up
   getting it to work. The principal problem is numerous window-manager
   bugs ...
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                          3.2 Textual Fonts & Colors
                                       
   
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Subject: Q3.2.1 How can I set the most commonly used color options from my
	.emacs instead of from my .Xdefaults?

   Like this:
(set-face-background 'default      "bisque")     ; frame background
(set-face-foreground 'default      "black")      ; normal text
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")        ; When selecting w/
                                                 ; mouse
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")
(set-face-font       'default      "*courier-bold-r*120-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'highlight    "blue")       ; Ie when selecting buffers
(set-face-foreground 'highlight    "yellow")
(set-face-background 'modeline     "blue")       ; Line at bottom of buffer
(set-face-foreground 'modeline     "white")
(set-face-font       'modeline     "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*")
(set-face-background 'isearch      "yellow")     ; When highlighting while
                                                 ; searching
(set-face-foreground 'isearch      "red")
(setq x-pointer-foreground-color   "black")      ; Adds to bg color,
                                                 ; so keep black
(setq x-pointer-background-color   "blue")       ; This is color you really
                                                 ; want ptr/crsr

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Subject: Q3.2.2 How do I set the text, menu and modeline fonts?

   Note that you should use Emacs. and not Emacs* when setting face
   values.
   
   In .Xdefaults:
Emacs.default.attributeFont:  -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-*-*
Emacs*menubar*font:           fixed
Emacs.modeline.attributeFont: fixed

   This is confusing because modeline is a face, and can be found listed
   with all faces in the current mode by using M-x set-face-font (enter)
   ?. It uses the face specification of attributeFont, while menubar is a
   normal X thing that uses the specification font. With Motif it may be
   necessary to use fontList instead of font.
   
   Suggestions on improving the answer to this question would be
   appreciated.
   
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Subject: Q3.2.3 How can I set the background/foreground colors when
	highlighting a region?

   You can change the face zmacs-region either in your .Xdefaults:
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeForeground: firebrick
Emacs.zmacs-region.attributeBackground: lightseagreen

   or in your .emacs:
(set-face-background 'zmacs-region "red")
(set-face-foreground 'zmacs-region "yellow")

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Subject: Q3.2.4 How can I limit color map usage?

   I'm using Netscape (or another color grabber like XEmacs); is there
   anyway to limit the number of available colors in the color map?
   
   XEmacs 19.13 doesn't have such a mechanism (unlike netscape, or other
   color-hogs). One solution is to start XEmacs prior to netscape, since
   this will prevent Netscape from grabbing all colors (but Netscape will
   complain). You can use the flags for Netscape, like -mono, -ncols <#>
   or -install (for mono, limiting to <#> colors, or for using a private
   color map). Since Netscape will take the entire colormap and never
   release it, the only reasonable way to run it is with -install.
   
   If you have the money, another solution would be to use a truecolor or
   direct color video.
   
   Starting with XEmacs 19.14, XEmacs will use the closest available
   color if the colormap is full, so it's O.K. now to start Netscape
   first.
   
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Subject: Q3.2.5 My tty supports color, but XEmacs doesn't use them

   XEmacs tries to automatically determine whether your tty supports
   color, but sometimes guesses wrong. In that case, you can make XEmacs
   Do The Right Thing using this Lisp code:

(if (eq 'tty (device-type))
    (set-device-class nil 'color))

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                               3.3 The Modeline
                                       
   
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Subject: Q3.3.1 How can I make the modeline go away?

(set-specifier has-modeline-p nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the modeline responds to mouse clicks, so
   if you haven't liked or used the modeline in the past, you might want
   to try the new version out.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3.2 How do you have XEmacs display the line number in the modeline?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file to display the line number:

(setq line-number-mode t)

   Use the following to display the column number:
(display-column-mode)

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Subject: Q3.3.3 How do I get XEmacs to put the time of day on the modeline?

(display-time)

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Subject: Q3.3.4 With AUC-TeX, fast typing is hard because the current
	chapter/section/... is given in the modeline. How can I turn this off?

   It's not auc-tex, it comes from func-menu in func-menu.el. Add this
   code to your .emacs to turn it off:

(setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)

   Or just add a hook to TeX-mode-hook to turn it off only for TeX mode.
(add-hook 'TeX-mode-hook '(lambda () (setq fume-display-in-modeline-p nil)))

   David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:
   If you have 19.14 or later, try this instead; you'll still get the
   function name displayed in the modeline, but it won't attempt to keep
   track when you modify the file. To refresh when it gets out of synch,
   you simply need click on the Rescan Buffer option in the
   function-menu.

(setq-default fume-auto-rescan-buffer-p nil)

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Subject: Q3.3.5 How can one change the color of the modeline based on the mode
	used?

   You can use something like the following:
(add-hook 'lisp-mode-hook
        '(lambda () (set-face-background 'modeline "red" (current-buffer))
                    (set-face-foreground 'modeline "yellow" (current-buffer))))

   Then, when editing a Lisp file (i.e. when in Lisp mode), the modeline
   colors change from the default set in your .emacs. The change will
   only be made in the buffer you just entered (which contains the Lisp
   file you are editing) and will not affect the modeline colors anywhere
   else.
   
   Notes:
     * The hook is the mode name plus -hook. eg. c-mode-hook,
       c++-mode-hook, emacs-lisp-mode-hook (used for your .emacs or a
       xx.el file), lisp-interaction-mode-hook (the *scratch* buffer),
       text-mode-hook, etc.
     * Be sure to use add-hook, not (setq c-mode-hook xxxx), otherwise
       you will erase anything that anybody has already put on the hook.
     * You can also do (set-face-font 'modeline font), eg. (set-face-font
       'modeline "*bold-r-normal*140-100-100*" (current-buffer)) if you
       wish the modeline font to vary based on the current mode.
       
   This works in 19.14 as well, but there are additional modeline faces,
   modeline-buffer-id, modeline-mousable, and
   modeline-mousable-minor-mode, which you may want to customize.
   
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Subject: Q3.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

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                          3.4 Multiple Device Support
                                       
   
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Subject: Q3.4.1 I have a multi-headed display. How do I open a frame on another
	screen of my display?

   The support for this has been revamped for 19.14. Use the command M-x
   make-frame-on-display. This command is also on the File menu in the
   menubar.
   
   XEmacs 19.14 also has the command make-frame-on-tty which will
   establish a connection to any tty-like device.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4.2 Can I really connect to a running XEmacs after calling up over
	a modem? How do I do it?

   If you're not running at least XEmacs 19.14 you can't. Otherwise check
   out the gnuattach program supplied with XEmacs.
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                                 3.5 Keyboard
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions (or macros) to keys?

   As an example, say you want the PASTE key on a Sun keyboard to insert
   the current Primary X selection at point. You can accomplish this
   with:

(define-key global-map 'f18 'x-insert-selection)

   However, this only works if there is a current X selection (the
   selection will be highlighted). The functionality I like is for the
   PASTE key to insert the current X selection if there is one, otherwise
   insert the contents of the clipboard. To do this you need to pass
   arguments to x-insert-selection. This is done by wrapping the call in
   a 'lambda form:

(define-key global-map 'f18
  (function (lambda () (interactive) (x-insert-selection t nil))))

   This binds the 'f18 key to a generic functional object. The
   interactive spec is required because only interactive functions can be
   bound to keys. Also take a look at the doc for function.
   
   For the FAQ example you could use:
(global-set-key [(control ?.)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up 1))))
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]
                (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up -1))))

   This is fine if you only need a few functions within the lambda body.
   If you're doing more it's cleaner to define a separate function as in
   question 3.5.3).
   
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Subject: Q3.5.2 How can I stop the down-arrow-key from adding empty lines at
	the bottom of my buffers?

   Add the following line to your .emacs file:
(setq next-line-add-newlines nil)

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Subject: Q3.5.3 I am trying to bind C-. to scroll up by one line and C-; to
	scroll down by one line...

   Add the following (Thanks to Richard Mlynarik <mly@adoc.xerox.com> and
   Wayne Newberry <wayne@zen.cac.stratus.com>) to .emacs:

(defun scroll-up-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-up 1))

(defun scroll-down-one-line ()
  (interactive)
  (scroll-down 1))

(global-set-key [(control ?.)]   'scroll-up-one-line)        ; C-.
(global-set-key [(control ?;)]   'scroll-down-one-line)      ; C-;

   The key point is that you can only bind simple functions to keys; you
   can not bind a key to a function that you're also passing arguments
   to. (See 3.5.1 How can I bind complex functions for a better answer).
   
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Subject: Q3.5.4 Globally binding Delete?

   I cannot manage to globally bind my Delete key to something other than
   the default. How does one do this?

(defun Foo ()
  (interactive)
    (message "You hit DELETE"))

(global-set-key 'delete 'Foo)

   However, some modes explicitly bind Delete, so you would need to add a
   hook that does local-set-key for them. If what you want to do is make
   the Backspace and Delete keys work more PC/Motif-like, then take a
   look at the delbackspace.el package.
   
   New in XEmacs 19.14 is a variable called key-translation-map which
   makes it easier to bind Delete. delbackspace.el is a good example of
   how to do this correctly.
   
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Subject: Q3.5.5 Scrolling one line at a time

   Can the cursor keys scroll the screen a line at a time, rather than
   the default half page jump? I tend it to find it disorienting.
   
   Try this:
(defun scroll-one-line-up (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window up (forward in the text) one line (or N lines)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-up (or arg 1)))

(defun scroll-one-line-down (&optional arg)
  "Scroll the selected window down (backward in the text) one line (or N)."
  (interactive "p")
  (scroll-down (or arg 1)))

(global-set-key 'up 'scroll-one-line-up)
(global-set-key 'down  'scroll-one-line-down)

   The following will also work but will affect more than just the cursor
   keys (i.e. C-n and C-p):

(setq scroll-step 1)

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Subject: Q3.5.6 How to map Help key alone on Sun type4 keyboard?

   The following works in GNU Emacs 19:
(global-set-key [help] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   The following works in XEmacs 19.13 with the addition of shift:
(global-set-key [(shift help)] 'help-command)           ;; Help

   But it doesn't work alone. This is in the file PROBLEMS which should
   have come with your XEmacs installation: Emacs ignores the help key
   when running OLWM.
   
   OLWM grabs the help key, and retransmits it to the appropriate client
   using XSendEvent. Allowing Emacs to react to synthetic events is a
   security hole, so this is turned off by default. You can enable it by
   setting the variable x-allow-sendevents to t. You can also cause fix
   this by telling OLWM to not grab the help key, with the null binding
   OpenWindows.KeyboardCommand.Help:.
   
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Subject: Q3.5.7 How can you type in special characters in XEmacs?

   One way is to use the package x-compose. Then you can use sequences
   like Compose " a to get , etc.
   
   Another way is to use the iso8859-1 package.
   
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Subject: Q3.5.8 Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ]
	'delete-char) complain?

   Why does (define-key global-map [ delete-forward ] 'delete-char)
   complain of not being able to bind an unknown key?
   
   Try this instead:
(define-key global-map [delete_forward] 'delete-char)

   and it will work.
   
   What you are seeing above is a bug due to code that is trying to check
   for GNU Emacs bogosity like

(define-key global-map [C-M-a] 'delete-char)

   which otherwise would cause no errors but would not result in the
   expected behavior.
   
   This bug has been fixed in 19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5.9 How do I make the Delete key delete forward?

(load-library "delbackspace")

   Also see Question 3.5.4.
   
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Subject: Q3.5.10 Can I turn on sticky modifier keys?

   Yes, with (setq modifier-keys-are-sticky t). This will give the effect
   of being able to press and release Shift and have the next character
   typed come out in upper case. This will affect all the other modifier
   keys like Control and Meta as well.
   
   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   One thing about the sticky modifiers (this may only be implemented in
   19.14, I'm not sure) is that if you move the mouse out of the frame
   and back in, it cancels all currently stuck modifiers.
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                                3.6 The Cursor
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.1 Is there a way to make the bar cursor a little thicker than
	one-pixel thick since I lose it?

   For a 1 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor t)

   For a 2 pixel bar cursor, use:
(setq bar-cursor 'anything-else)

   You can use a color to make it stand out better:
Emacs*cursorColor:      Red

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6.2 Is there a way to get back the old block cursor where the
	cursor covers the character in front of the point?

(setq bar-cursor nil)

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Subject: Q3.6.3 Can I make the cursor blink?

   If you are running a version of XEmacs older than 19.14, no. Otherwise
   you can do the following:

(blink-cursor-mode)

   This function toggles between a steady cursor and a blinking cursor.
   You may also set this mode from the menu bar by selecting Options =>
   Frame Appearance => Blinking Cursor.
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                        3.7 The Mouse and Highlighting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.1 How can I turn off Mouse pasting?

   I keep hitting the middle mouse button by accident and getting stuff
   pasted into my buffer so how can I turn this off?
   
   Here is an alternative binding, whereby the middle mouse button
   selects (but does not cut) the expression under the mouse. Clicking
   middle on a left or right paren will select to the matching one. Note
   that you can use define-key or global-set-key.

(defun Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select (event)
  "Sets the point at the mouse location, then marks following form"
  (interactive "@e")
  (mouse-set-point event)
  (mark-sexp 1)
  )
(define-key global-map 'button2 'Mouse-Set-Point-and-Select)

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Subject: Q3.7.2 How do I set control/meta/etc modifiers on mouse buttons?

   Use, for instance, [(meta button1)]. For example, here is a common
   setting for Common Lisp programmers who use the bundled ilisp package,
   whereby meta-button1 on a function name will find the file where the
   function name was defined, and put you at that location in the source
   file.
   
   [Inside a function that gets called by the lisp-mode-hook and
   ilisp-mode-hook]

(local-set-key [(meta button1)] 'edit-definitions-lisp)

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Subject: Q3.7.3 I do C-x C-b to get a list of buffers and the entries get
	highlighted when I move the mouse over them but clicking the
	left mouse does not do anything.

   Use the middle mouse button.
   
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Subject: Q3.7.4 How can I get a list of buffers to popup when I hit button 3 on
	the mouse?

   The following code will actually replace the default popup on button3:

(defun cw-build-buffers ()
  "Popup buffer menu."
  (interactive "@")
  (run-hooks 'activate-menubar-hook)
  (popup-menu (car (find-menu-item current-menubar '("Buffers")))))

(define-key global-map [(button3)] 'cw-build-buffers)

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Subject: Q3.7.5 Why does cut-and-paste not work between XEmacs and a cmdtool?

   We don't know. It's a bug. There does seem to be a work-around,
   however. Try running xclipboard first. It appears to fix the problem
   even if you exit it. (This should be mostly fixed in 19.13, but we
   haven't yet verified that).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7.6 How I can set XEmacs up so that it pastes where the text cursor
	is, not where the mouse pointer lies?

   Examine the function mouse-yank, by typing C-h f mouse-yank RET. To
   get XEmacs to paste at the text cursor, add this your .emacs:

(setq mouse-yank-at-point t)

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Subject: Q3.7.7 How do I select a rectangular region?

   Just select the region normally, then use the rectangle commands (e.g.
   kill-rectangle) on it. The region does not highlight as a rectangle,
   but the commands work just fine.
   
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse do the
   following:

(setq mouse-track-rectangle-p t)

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   To actually sweep out rectangular regions with the mouse you can also
   use mouse-track-do-rectangle which is assigned to M-button1. Then use
   rectangle commands.

 mouse-track-do-rectangle: (event)
   -- an interactive compiled Lisp function.
 Like `mouse-track' but selects rectangles instead of regions.

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Subject: Q3.7.8 Why does M-w take so long?

   It actually doesn't. It leaves the region visible for a second so that
   you can see what area is being yanked. If you start working, though,
   it will immediately complete its operation. In other words, it will
   only delay for a second if you let it.
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                          3.8 The Menubar and ToolBar
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.1 How do I get rid of the menu (or menubar)?

   If you are running XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, add this command to your
   .emacs:

(set-menubar nil)

   Starting with XEmacs 19.14 the preferred method is:
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.2 Can I customize the basic menubar?

   For an extensive menubar, add this line to your .emacs:
(load "big-menubar")

   If you'd like to write your own, this file provides as good a set of
   examples as any to start from. The file is located in
   lisp/packages/big-menubar.el in the XEmacs installation directory.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.3 How do I control how many buffers are listed in the menu
	Buffers list?

   Add the following to your .emacs (suit to fit):
(setq buffers-menu-max-size 20)

   For no limit, use an argument of nil.
   
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Subject: Q3.8.4 I am trying to use a resource like Emacs*menubar*font to set
	the font of the menubar but it's not working.

   If you are using the real Motif menubar, this resource is not
   recognized; you have to say

Emacs*menubar*fontList: FONT

   If you are using the Lucid menubar, the former resource will be
   recognized only if the latter resource is unset. This means that the
   resource

*fontList: FONT

   will override
Emacs*menubar*font: FONT

   even though the latter is more specific.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8.5 How can I bind a key to a function which will turn the toolbar
	on and off?

   Try something like:
(global-set-key [(control x) T]
                '(lambda () (interactive)
                   (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p
                                  (not (specifier-instance
                                        default-toolbar-visible-p)))))

   There are redisplay bugs in 19.14 that may make the preceding result
   in a messed-up display, especially for frames with multiple windows.
   You may need to resize the frame before XEmacs completely realizes the
   toolbar is really gone.
   
   Thanks to Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> for the correct
   code.
   
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                                3.9 ScrollBars
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.1 How can I disable the scrollbar?

   To disable them for all frames, add the following line to your
   .Xdefaults:

Emacs.scrollBarWidth:  0

   To turn the scrollbar off on a per-frame basis, use the following
   function:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (selected-frame) 0))

   You can actually turn the scrollbars on at any level you want by
   substituting for (selected-frame) in the above command. For example,
   to turn the scrollbars off only in a single buffer:

(set-specifier scrollbar-width (cons (current-buffer) 0))

   Starting with 19.14 you can use the more logical form:
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0 (selected-frame))

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.2 How can one use resources to change scrollbar colors?

   Here's a recap of how to use resources to change your scrollbar
   colors:

! Motif scrollbars

Emacs*XmScrollBar.Background: skyblue
Emacs*XmScrollBar.troughColor: lightgray

! Athena scrollbars

Emacs*Scrollbar.Foreground: skyblue
Emacs*Scrollbar.Background: lightgray

   Note the capitalization of Scrollbar for the Athena widget.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.9.3 When I move the scrollbar in an XEmacs window, it moves the
	point as well, which should not be the default behavior. Is
	this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it?

   The current behavior is a feature, not a bug. Point remains at the
   same buffer position as long as that position does not scroll off the
   screen. In that event, point will end up in either the upper-left or
   lower-left hand corner.
   
   This cannot be changed.
   
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Subject: Q3.9.4 How can I get automatic horizontal scrolling?

   By the same token, how can I turn it off in specific modes?
   
   To do this, add to your .emacs file:
(require 'auto-show)

   Then do (setq truncate-lines t) in the mode-hooks for any modes in
   which you want lines truncated.
   
   More precisely: If truncate-lines is nil, horizontal scrollbars will
   never appear. Otherwise, they will appear only if the value of
   scrollbar-height for that buffer/window/etc. is non-zero. If you do

(set-specifier scrollbar-height 0)

   then horizontal scrollbars will not appear in truncated buffers unless
   the package specifically asked for them.
   
   Newsflash: Automatic horizontal scrolling is now standard with 19.14.
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                             3.10 Text Selections
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.1 How can I turn off or change highlighted selections?

   The zmacs mode allows for what some might call gratuitous highlighting
   for selected regions (either by setting mark or by using the mouse).
   This is the default behavior. To turn off, add the following line to
   your .emacs file:

(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   To change the face for selection, look at Options->Edit Faces on the
   menubar.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.2 How do I change things so that if I select some text and start
	typing, the typed text replaces the selected text?

   You want to use something called pending delete. Pending delete is
   what happens when you select a region (with the mouse or keyboard) and
   you press a key to replace the selected region by the key you typed.
   Usually backspace kills the selected region.
   
   To get this behavior, add the following line to your .emacs:
(require 'pending-del)

   Note that this will work with both Backspace and Delete.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.3 I do not like my text highlighted while I am doing isearch as
	I am not able to see what's underneath. How do I turn it off?

   Put the following in your .emacs:
(setq isearch-highlight nil)

   Note also that isearch-highlight affects query-replace and ispell.
   Instead of disabling isearch-highlight you may find that a better
   solution consists of customizing the isearch face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.4 The text gets highlighted when I do C-x C-p (mark-page). How
	do I turn this feature off?

   Put this in your .emacs:
(setq zmacs-regions nil)

   Warning: This command turns off all region highlighting.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.10.5 The region disappears when I am paging forward and hit the end
	of the buffer. How do I turn this feature off?

   Like this:
(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))
      ad-do-it)))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (condition-case nil
            ad-do-it
          (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))
      ad-do-it)))

   Thanks to T. V. Raman <raman@adobe.com> for assistance in deriving
   this answer.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
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   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur <URL:
   mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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                               XEmacs FAQ [2/6]
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is part 2 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to Installation, Maintenance and Trouble Shooting.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-installation.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other
   FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
   
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting [You are here]
          + 2.0 Installation
               o Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing
               o Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big
               o Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio
               o Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.
               o Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?
               o Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?
               o Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations
               o Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno
               o Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?
               o Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is
                 something wrong?
               o Q2.0.11 XEmacs can't resolve host names
               o Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs?
          + 2.1 Trouble Shooting
               o Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!
               o Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages
               o Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup
               o Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
               o Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal
               o Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server
               o Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta
               o Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil)
                 and I don't know why!
               o Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash
               o Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers
               o Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"
               o Q2.1.12 Regular Expression Problems on DEC OSF1
               o Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure
               o Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?
               o Q2.1.15 How to debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger
               o Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10
               o Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere
               o Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10
               o Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone
               o Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void:
                 hkey-help-show
               o Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous
    6. Current Events
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                               2.0 Installation
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.1 Running XEmacs without installing

   The INSTALL file says that up to 108 MB of space is needed temporarily
   during installation! How can I just try it out?
   
   XEmacs will run in place without requiring installation and copying of
   the Lisp directories, and without having to specify a special
   build-time flag. It's the copying of the Lisp directories that
   requires so much space. XEmacs is largely written in Lisp.
   
   A good method is to make a shell alias for xemacs:
alias xemacs=/i/xemacs-19.14/src/xemacs

   (You will obviously use whatever directory you downloaded the source
   tree to instead of /i/xemacs-19.14). This will let you run XEmacs
   without massive copying.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   The 45MB of space required by the installation directories can be
   reduced dramatically if desired. Gzip all the .el files. Remove all
   the packages you'll never want to use (or even ones you do like the
   two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4 in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo
   manuals. Remove the Info (and use just hardcopy versions of the
   manual). Remove most of the stuff in etc. Remove or gzip all the
   source code. Gzip or remove the C source code. Configure it so that
   copies are not made of the support lisp. I'm not advocating any of
   these things, just pointing out ways to reduce the disk requirements
   if desired.
   
   Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

   You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
   installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
   5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

   These are support directories for various packages. In general they
   match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
   do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
175     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/bytecomp
340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
342     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/comint
517     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/dired
42      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/electric
212     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/emulators
238     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/energize
289     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/gnus
457     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ilisp
1439    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/modes
2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
860     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/utils
851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
14      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/sunpro
291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
198     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/edebug
619     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/w3
229     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eos
55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.n
ib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.ni
b
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

   These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
   may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
   you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
   you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
   conservative at first.
   
   Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
   you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
   mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
   (new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
   package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.
   
   First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
   start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
   you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
   conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
   a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.
   
   prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
   do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
   them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

   These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
   them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

   The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
   takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.
   
   giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
   Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
   rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

   A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
   have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
   access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
   easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
   files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.3 Compiling XEmacs with Netaudio

   What is the best way to compile XEmacs with the netaudio system, since
   I have got the netaudio system compiled but installed at a weird
   place, I am not root. Also in the READMEs it does not say anything
   about compiling with the audioserver?
   
   You should only need to add some stuff to the configure command line.
   To tell it to compile in netaudio support: --with-sound=both, or
   --with-sound=nas if you don't want native sound support for some
   reason.) To tell it where to find the netaudio includes and libraries:

--site-libraries=WHATEVER
--site-includes=WHATEVER

   Then (fingers crossed) it should compile and it will use netaudio if
   you have a server running corresponding to the X server. The netaudio
   server has to be there when XEmacs starts. If the netaudio server goes
   away and another is run, XEmacs should cope (fingers crossed, error
   handling in netaudio isn't perfect).
   
   BTW, netaudio has been renamed as it has a name clash with something
   else, so if you see references to NAS or Network Audio System, it's
   the same thing. It also might be found at
   <URL:ftp.x.org:/contrib/audio/nas/>
   <URL:ftp.ncd.com:/pub/ncd/technology/src/nas/>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.4 Problems with Linux and ncurses.

   On Linux 1.3.98 with termcap 2.0.8 and the ncurses that came with libc
   5.2.18, xemacs 20.0b20 is unable to open a tty device:

src/xemacs -nw -q
Initialization error: Terminal type `xterm' undefined (or can't access database
?)

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   Your ncurses configuration is messed up. Your /usr/lib/terminfo is a
   bad pointer, perhaps to a CD-ROM that is not inserted.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.5 Do I need X11 to run XEmacs?

   No. The name XEmacs is unfortunate in the sense that it is not an X
   Window System-only version of Emacs. Starting with 19.14 XEmacs has
   full color support on a color capable character terminal.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.6 I'm having strange crashes. What do I do?

   There have been a variety of reports of crashes due to compilers with
   buggy optimizers. Please see the PROBLEMS file that comes with XEmacs
   to read what it says about your platform.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.7 Libraries in non-standard locations

   I have x-faces, jpeg, xpm etc. all in different places. I've tried
   space-separated, comma-separated, several --site-libraries, all to no
   avail.
   
--site-libraries='/path/one /path/two /path/etc'

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:
   
    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.9 Where do I find external libraries?

   All external libraries used by XEmacs can be found at the XEmacs FTP
   site:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/aux/>. The canonical locations are as
   follows:
   
   JPEG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/tg/tgl/uunet/>, and mirrored at
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/>. Version 6a is current.
          
   XPM
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/>. Version 3.4h is
          current. Older versions of this package are known to cause
          XEmacs crashes.
          
   TIFF
          <URL:ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/>. v3.4 is current. The
          latest beta is v3.4b035. There is a HOWTO here.
          
   PNG
          <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/>. 0.89c is current. XEmacs
          requires a fairly recent version to avoid using temporary
          files.
          <URL:ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/>.
          
   Compface
          <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/compface/>. This
          library has been frozen for about 6 years, and is distributed
          without version numbers. It should be compiled with the same
          options that X11 was compiled with on your system. The version
          of this library at XEmacs.org includes the xbm2xface.pl script,
          written by stig@hackvan.com, which may be useful when
          generating your own xface.
          
   NAS
          <URL:ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/>. Version 1.2p4 is
          current. There is a FAQ here.
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.10 After I run configure I find a coredump, is something wrong?

   Not necessarily. If you have GNU sed 3.0 you should downgrade it to
   2.05. From the README at prep.ai.mit.edu:
   
   sed 3.0 has been withdrawn from distribution. It has major revisions,
   which mostly seem to be improvements; but it turns out to have bugs
   too which cause trouble in some common cases.
   
   Tom Lord won't be able to work fixing the bugs until May. So in the
   mean time, we've decided to withdraw sed 3.0 from distribution and
   make version 2.05 once again the recommended version.
   
   It has also been observed that the vfork test on Solaris will leave a
   coredump.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.11 XEmacs doesn't resolve hostnames

   This is the result of a long-standing problem with SunOS and the fact
   that stock SunOS systems do not ship with DNS resolver code in libc.
   
   Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com> writes: That's correct [The
   SunOS 4.1.3 precompiled binaries don't do name lookup]. Since Sun
   figured that everyone used NIS to do name lookups (that DNS thing was
   apparently only a passing fad, right?), the stock SunOS 4.x systems
   don't have DNS-based name lookups in libc.
   
   This is also why Netscape ships two binaries for SunOS 4.1.x.
   
   The best solution is to compile it yourself; the configure script will
   check to see if you've put DNS in the shared libc and will then
   proceed to link against the DNS resolver library code.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.0.12 Why can't I strip XEmacs?

   Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   Because of the way XEmacs (and every other Emacsen, AFAIK) is built.
   The link gives you a bare-boned emacs (called temacs). temacs is then
   run, preloading some of the lisp files. The result is then dumped into
   a new executable, named xemacs, which will contain all of the
   preloaded lisp functions and data.
   
   Now, during the dump itself, the executable (code+data+symbols) is
   written on disk using a special unexec() function. This function is
   obviously heavily system dependent. And on some systems, it leads to
   an executable which, although valid, cannot be stripped without
   damage. If memory serves, this is especially the case for AIX
   binaries. On other architecture it might work OK.
   
   The Right Way to strip the emacs binary is to strip temacs prior to
   dumping xemacs. This will always work, although you can do that only
   if you install from sources (as temacs is not part of the binary
   kits).
   
   Nat Makarevitch <nat@nataa.fr.eu.org> writes:
   Here is the trick:
    1. [ configure; make ]
    2. cd src
    3. rm xemacs
    4. strip temacs
    5. cd ..
    6. make
    7. cp src/xemacs /usr/local/bin/xemacs
    8. cp lib-src/DOC-19.14-XEmacs
       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/i586-unknown-linuxaout
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                             2.1 Trouble Shooting
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.1 Help! XEmacs just crashed on me!

   First of all, don't panic. Whenever XEmacs crashes, it tries extremely
   hard to auto-save all of your files before dying. (The main time that
   this will not happen is if the machine physically lost power or if you
   killed the XEmacs process using kill -9). The next time you try to
   edit those files, you will be informed that a more recent auto-save
   file exists. You can use M-x recover-file to retrieve the auto-saved
   version of the file.
   
   New with 19.14, you may use the command M-x recover-session after a
   crash to pick up where you left off.
   
   Now, XEmacs is not perfect, and there may occasionally be times, or
   particular sequences of actions, that cause it to crash. If you can
   come up with a reproducible way of doing this (or even if you have a
   pretty good memory of exactly what you were doing at the time), the
   maintainers would be very interested in knowing about it. Post a
   message to comp.emacs.xemacs or send mail to crashes@xemacs.org.
   Please note that the crashes address is exclusively for crash reports.
   
   If at all possible, include a stack backtrace of the core dump that
   was produced. This shows where exactly things went wrong, and makes it
   much easier to diagnose problems. To do this, you need to locate the
   core file (it's called core, and is usually sitting in the directory
   that you started XEmacs from, or your home directory if that other
   directory was not writable). Then, go to that directory and execute a
   command like

gdb `which xemacs` core

   and then issue the command where to get the stack backtrace. You might
   have to use dbx or some similar debugger in place of gdb. If you don't
   have any such debugger available, complain to your system
   administrator.
   
   It's possible that a core file didn't get produced, in which case
   you're out of luck. Go complain to your system administrator and tell
   him not to disable core files by default. Also see Q2.1.15 for tips
   and techniques for dealing with a debugger.
   
   When making a problem report make sure that:
    1. Report all of the information output by XEmacs during the crash.
    2. You mention what O/S & Hardware you are running XEmacs on.
    3. What version of XEmacs you are running.
    4. What build options you are using.
    5. If the problem is related to graphics, we will also need to know
       what version of the X Window System you are running, and what
       window manager you are using.
    6. If the problem happened on a tty, please include the terminal
       type.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.2 Cryptic Minibuffer messages

   When I try to use some particular option of some particular package, I
   get a cryptic error in the minibuffer.
   
   If you can't figure out what's going on, select Options/General
   Options/Debug on Error from the Menubar and then try and make the
   error happen again. This will give you a backtrace that may be
   enlightening. If not, try reading through this FAQ; if that fails, you
   could try posting to comp.emacs.xemacs (making sure to include the
   backtrace) and someone may be able to help. If you can identify which
   Emacs lisp source file the error is coming from you can get a more
   detailed stack backtrace by doing the following:
    1. Visit the .el file in an XEmacs buffer.
    2. Issue the command M-x eval-current-buffer.
    3. Reproduce the error.
       
   Depending on the version of XEmacs, you may either select Edit->Show
   Messages (19.13 and earlier) or Help->Recent Keystrokes/Messages
   (19.14 and later) from the menubar to see the most recent messages.
   This command is bound to C-h l by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.3 Translation Table Syntax messages at Startup

   I get tons of translation table syntax error messages during startup.
   How do I get rid of them?
   
   There are two causes of this problem. The first usually only strikes
   people using the prebuilt binaries. The culprit in both cases is the
   file XKeysymDB
     * The binary cannot find the XKeysymDB file. The location is
       hardcoded at compile time so if the system the binary was built on
       puts it a different place than your system does, you have
       problems. To fix, set the environment variable XKEYSYMDB to the
       location of the XKeysymDB file on your system or to the location
       of the one included with XEmacs which should be at:
       <xemacs_root_directory>/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/XKeysymDB
     * The binary is finding the XKeysymDB but it is out-of-date on your
       system and does not contain the necessary lines. Either ask your
       system administrator to replace it with the one which comes with
       XEmacs (which is the stock R6 version and is backwards compatible)
       or set your XKEYSYMDB variable to the location of XEmacs's
       described above.
       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.4 Startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?

   How can I avoid the startup warnings about deducing proper fonts?
   
   This is highly dependent on your installation, but try with the
   following font as your base font for XEmacs and see what it does:

-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1

   More precisely, do the following in your resource file:
Emacs.default.attributeFont: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-
1

   If you just don't want to see the *Warnings* buffer at startup time,
   you can set this:

(setq display-warning-minimum-level 'error)

   The buffer still exists; it just isn't in your face.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.5 XEmacs cannot connect to my X Terminal

   Help! I can not get XEmacs to display on my Envizex X-terminal!
   
   Try setting the DISPLAY variable using the numeric IP address of the
   host you are running XEmacs from.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.6 XEmacs just locked up my Linux X server

   Help! XEmacs just locked up my X server on my Linux box!
   
   There have been several reports of the X server locking up under
   Linux. In all reported cases removing speedo and scaled fonts from the
   font path corrected the problem. This can be done with the command
   'xset'.
   
   It is possible that using a font server may also solve the problem.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.7 HP Alt key as Meta

   How can I make XEmacs recognize the Alt key of my HP workstation as a
   Meta key?
   
   Put the following line into a file and load it with xmodmap(1) before
   starting XEmacs:

remove Mod1 = Mode_switch

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.8 got (wrong-type-argument color-instance-p nil) and I don't know
	why!

   Natalie Kershaw <nataliek@rd.scitec.com.au> writes:
   I am trying to run xemacs 19.13 under X11R4. Whenever I move the mouse
   I get the following error. Has anyone seen anything like this? This
   doesn't occur on X11R5. Signalling: (error "got (wrong-type-argument
   color-instance-p nil) and I don't know why!")
   
   dinos <map01kd@gold.ac.uk> writes:
   I think this is due to undefined resources; You need to define color
   backgrounds and foregrounds into your .../app-defaults/Emacs like:

*Foreground:    Black   ;everything will be of black on grey95,
*Background:    Grey95  ;unless otherwise specified.
*cursorColor:   Red3    ;red3 cursor with grey95 border.
*pointerColor:  Red3    ;red3 pointer with grey95 border.

   Natalie Kershaw adds:
   What fixed the problem was adding some more colors to the X color
   database (copying the X11R5 colors over), and also defining the
   following resources:

xemacs*cursorColor     black
xemacs*pointerColor    black

   With the new colours installed the problem still occurs if the above
   resources are not defined.
   
   If the new colours are not present then an additional error occurs on
   XEmacs startup, which says Color Red3 not defined.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.9 XEmacs causes my OpenWindows 3.0 server to crash

   The OpenWindows 3.0 server is incredibly buggy. Your best bet is to
   replace it with one from the generic MIT X11 release. You might also
   try disabling parts of your .emacs, like enabling background pixmaps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.10 Warnings from incorrect key modifiers

   The following information comes from the PROBLEMS file that comes with
   XEmacs.
   
   If you're having troubles with HP/UX it is because HP/UX defines the
   modifiers wrong in X. Here is a shell script to fix the problem; be
   sure that it is run after VUE configures the X server.

#! /bin/sh
xmodmap 2> /dev/null - << EOF
keysym Alt_L = Meta_L
keysym Alt_R = Meta_R
EOF

xmodmap - << EOF
clear mod1
keysym Mode_switch = NoSymbol
add mod1 = Meta_L
keysym Meta_R = Mode_switch
add mod2 = Mode_switch
EOF

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.11 wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   I'm using XEmacs 19.13 on Solaris 2.5. I'm having problem using the
   bookmark. When I try to set a bookmark, I always get the following
   error message:

wrong type argument: bufferp, "......"

   You are using the wrong version of set-text-properties. Please use the
   one given with Q5.1.3..
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.12 Problems with Regular Expressions on DEC OSF1

   I have xemacs 19.13 running on an alpha running OSF1 V3.2 148 and
   ispell would not run because it claimed the version number was
   incorrect although it was indeed OK. I traced the problem to the
   regular expression handler.
   
   Douglas Kosovic <douglask@dstc.edu.au> writes:
   Actually it's a DEC cc optimisation bug that screws up the regexp
   handling in XEmacs.
   
   Rebuilding using the -migrate switch for DEC cc (which uses a
   different sort of optimisation) works fine.
   
   See xemacs-19_13-dunix-3_2c.patch at the following URL on how to build
   with the -migrate flag:
   <URL:http://www-digital.cern.ch/carney/emacs/emacs.html>.
   
   NOTE: There have been a variety of other problems reported that are
   fixed in this fashion.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.13 HP/UX 10.10 and create_process failure

   Dave Carrigan <Dave.Carrigan@ipl.ca> writes:
   With XEmacs 19.13 and HP/UX 10.10, anything that relies on the
   reate_process function fails. This breaks a lot of things (shell-mode,
   compile, ange-ftp, to name a few).
   
   Phil Johnson <johnson@dtc.hp.com> writes:
   This is a problem specific to HP-UX 10.10. It only occurs when XEmacs
   is compiled for shared libraries (the default), so you can work around
   it by compiling a statically-linked binary (run configure with
   --dynamic=no).
   
   I'm not sure whether the problem is with a particular shared library
   or if it's a kernel problem which crept into 10.10.
   
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   I had a few problems with 10.10. Apparently, some of them were solved
   by forcing a static link of libc (manually).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.14 C-g doesn't work for me. Is it broken?

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   C-g does work for most people in most circumstances. If it doesn't,
   there are only two explanations:
   
    1. The code is wrapped with a binding of inhibit-quit to t.
       Ctrl-Shift-G should still work, I think.
    2. SIGIO is broken on your system, but BROKEN_SIGIO isn't defined.
       
   To test #2, try executing
(while t)

   from the *scratch* buffer. If C-g doesn't interrupt, then you're
   seeing #2.
   
   Morten Welinder <terra@diku.dk> writes:
   On some (but not all) machines a hung XEmacs can be revived by kill
   -FPE <pid>. This is a hack, of course, not a solution. This technique
   works on a Sun4 running 4.1.3_U1. To see if it works for you, start
   another XEmacs and test with that first. If you get a core dump the
   method doesn't work and if you get Arithmetic error then it does.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.15 How to Debug an XEmacs problem with a debugger

   Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
   If XEmacs does crash on you, one of the most productive things you can
   do to help get the bug fixed is to poke around a bit with the
   debugger. Here are some hints:
   
     * First of all, if the crash is at all reproducible, consider very
       strongly recompiling your XEmacs with debugging symbols, with no
       optimization, and with the configure options --debug=yes,
       --error-checking=all, and --dynamic=no. This will make your XEmacs
       run somewhat slower but make it a lot more likely to catch the
       problem earlier (closer to its source), and a lot easier to
       determine what's going on with a debugger.
     * If you're able to run XEmacs under a debugger and reproduce the
       crash (if it's inconvenient to do this because XEmacs is already
       running or is running in batch mode as part of a bunch of scripts,
       consider attaching to the existing process with your debugger;
       most debuggers let you do this by substituting the process ID for
       the core file when you invoke the debugger from the command line,
       or by using the attach command or something similar), here are
       some things you can do:
          + If XEmacs is hitting in assertion failure, put a breakpoint
            on assert_failed().
          + If XEmacs is hitting some weird Lisp error that's causing it
            to crash (e.g. during startup), put a breakpoint on
            signal_1() -- this is declared static in eval.c.
          + Internally, you will probably see lots of variables that hold
            objects of type Lisp_Object. These are exactly what they
            appear to be, i.e. references to Lisp objects. Printing them
            out with the debugger probably won't be too useful -- you'll
            just see a number. To decode them, do this:

call debug_print (OBJECT)
        where OBJECT is whatever you want to decode (it can be a
            variable, a function call, etc.). This will print out a
            readable representation on the TTY from which the xemacs
            process was invoked.
          + If you want to get a Lisp backtrace showing the Lisp call
            stack, do this:

      call debug_backtrace ()
     * If all you've got is a core dump, all is not lost. You can still
       poke around somewhat, and if you're using GDB, there are some
       macros in the file gdbinit in the src directory of the XEmacs
       distribution that should make it easier for you to decode Lisp
       objects.
       If you're using DBX, you may be able to get further help from
       Martin Buchholz, the engineer at Sun who works on XEmacs. Write to
       him at <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com>.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       seeing stack traces with some of the innermost frames mangled, it
       may be due to dynamic linking. (This happens especially under
       Linux.) Consider reconfiguring with --dynamic=no. Also, sometimes
       (again under Linux), stack backtraces of core dumps will have the
       frame where the fatal signal occurred mangled; if you can obtain a
       stack trace while running the XEmacs process under a debugger, the
       stack trace should be clean.
       Curtiss <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> suggests upgrading to ld.so
       version 1.8 if dynamic linking and debugging is a problem on
       Linux.
     * If you're using a debugger to get a C stack backtrace and you're
       getting a completely mangled and bogus stack trace, it's probably
       due to one of the following:
         1. Your executable has been stripped. Bad news. Tell your
            sysadmin not to do this -- it doesn't accomplish anything
            except to save a bit of disk space, and makes debugging much
            much harder.
         2. Your stack is getting trashed. Debugging this is hard; you
            have to do a binary-search-type of narrowing down where the
            crash occurs, until you figure out exactly which line is
            causing the problem. Of course, this only works if the bug is
            highly reproducible.
         3. If your stack trace has exactly one frame in it, with address
            0x0, this could simply mean that XEmacs attempted to execute
            code at that address, e.g. through jumping to a null function
            pointer. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, GDB under
            Linux doesn't know how to get a stack trace. (Yes, this is
            the third Linux-related problem I've mentioned. I have no
            idea why GDB under Linux is so bogus. Complain to the GDB
            authors, or to comp.os.linux.development.system). Again,
            you'll have to use the narrowing-down process described
            above.
         4. If you compiled 19.14 with --debug (or by default in 19.15),
            you will get a Lisp backtrace output when XEmacs crashes, so
            you'll have something useful. If you're in 19.13, you could
            try doing call debug_backtrace() -- sometimes this works even
            after a fatal signal has been received.
       
   Here's some more info about using gdbinit:
   
   Different version of gdbinit are provided for different platforms. One
   of these should be installed as .gdbinit in your home directory. If
   you're using XEmacs 19.14 or better, you should install the default
   gdbinit in the src/ directory if you have GDB 4.14 or better. With GDB
   4.13 or earlier, install "gdbinit.pre-4.14"; however, this is
   noticeably harder to use. If you're on a machine that uses a union
   type for Lisp_Objects (only the DEC Alpha, I think), you'll have to
   use gdbinit.union, which is of the pre-4.14 variety but should be
   easily upgradable.
   
   With XEmacs 19.13 and earlier, only one gdbinit is provided (I think);
   it's of the pre-4.14 variety and of the union-type variety. (Many more
   machines used the union type under 19.13).
   
   With the GDB 4.14+ gdbinit, you can print out a Lisp_Object using p1
   OBJECT (which calls debug_print(), and hence only works if you have a
   running process) or frob OBJECT (which works even on core dumps, and
   does its own decoding of the object, but its output isn't always so
   convenient).
   
   With the pre-GDB 4.14 gdbinit, you have to do these steps:
print OBJECT
xtype
<then type "xcons" or "xstring" or whatever, depending on the type>

   If the object is a record type, you'll probably have to the following
   steps:

print OBJECT
xtype
xrecord
<remember what type is printed>
print OBJECT
<then type "xbuffer" or "xsymbol" or whatever>

   Of course, if you know in advance what type the object is of, you can
   omit all but the last two steps.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.16 XEmacs crashes in strcat on HP/UX 10

   From the problems database (through
   <URL:http://support.mayfield.hp.com/>):

Problem Report: 5003302299
Status:         Open

System/Model:   9000/700
Product Name:   HPUX S800 10.0X
Product Vers:   9245XB.10.00

Description: strcat(3C) may read beyond end of source string, can cause
SIGSEGV


*** PROBLEM TEXT ***
strcat(3C) may read beyond the source string onto an unmapped page,
causing a segmentation violation.

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.17 Marker does not point anywhere

   This is a problem with line-number-mode in XEmacs 19.14, and affects a
   large number of other packages. If you see this error message, turn
   off line-number-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.18 19.14 hangs on HP/UX 10.10

   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:
   For the record, compiling on hpux 10.10 leads to a hang in Gnus when
   compiled with optimization on.
   
   I've just discovered that my hpux 10.01 binary was working less well
   than expected. In fact, on a 10.10 system, (while t) was not
   interupted by C-g. I defined BROKEN_SIGIO and recompiled on 10.10,
   and... the hang is now gone.
   
   As far as configure goes, this will be a bit tricky: BROKEN_SIGIO is
   needed on 10.10, but not on 10.01: if I run my 10.01 binary on a 10.01
   machine, without BROKEN_SIGIO being defined, C-g works as expected.
   Richard Cognot <cognot@ensg.u-nancy.fr> adds:
   Apparently somebody has found the reason why there is this poll:
   interrupted... message for each event. For some reason, libcurses
   reimplements a select() system call, in a highly broken fashion. The
   fix is to add a -lc to the link line before the -lxcurses. XEmacs will
   then use the right version of select().
   
   Alain Fauconnet <af@biomath.jussieu.fr> writes:
   The real solution is to not link -lcurses in! I just changed -lcurses
   to -ltermcap in the Makefile and it fixed :
    1. the poll: interrupted system call message
    2. a more serious problem I had discovered in the meantime, that is
       the fact that subprocess handling was seriously broken:
       subprocesses e.g. started by AUCTeX for TeX compilation of a
       buffer would hang. Actually they would wait forever for emacs to
       read the socket which connects stdout...
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.19 XEmacs does not follow the local timezone

   When using one of the prebuilt binaries many users have observed that
   XEmacs uses the timezone under which it was built, but not the
   timezone under which it is running. The solution is to add:

(set-time-zone-rule "MET")

   to your .emacs or the site-start.el file if you can. Replace MET with
   your local timezone.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.20 Symbol's function definition is void: hkey-help-show

   This is a problem with a partially loaded hyperbole. Try adding:
(require 'hmouse-drv)

   where you load hyperbole and the problem should go away.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.1.21 Every so often the XEmacs frame freezes

   This has been a widely reported problem with various versions of
   XEmacs through 19.14. Some users have reported that killing and
   restarting the window manager helps. For others it does not. Part of
   the problem is that this does not manifest itself on any of the
   systems of the primary developers. There is no known solution at
   present.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
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Subject: Introduction

   This is part 5 of the XEmacs Frequently Asked Questions list. This
   section is devoted to anything that doesn't fit neatly into the other
   sections.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>, and
   also at: <URL:http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-miscellaneous.html>.
   This version is much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that
   are archived at Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, and other FAQ archives.
   
   Changes in the last month:
    1. Q5.3.4 was updated on October 15.
       
   This file was last modified on November 5, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Roadmap

    1. Introduction, policy, credits.
    2. Installation and Trouble Shooting
    3. Customization and Options
    4. Major Subsystems
    5. Miscellaneous [You are here]
          + 5.0 Major & Minor Modes
               o Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using
                 font-lock?
               o Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old
                 c-mode?
               o Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax
                 Highlighting on by default?
               o Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?
               o Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode
                 (auto-fill) by default?
               o Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?
               o Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much
               o Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?
               o Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default
                 mode?
               o Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?
               o Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in
                 19.13 it doesn't. What gives?
               o Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new
                 frame?
               o Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that
                 each subsequent XEmacs is a client?
               o Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode
               o Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?
               o Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I
                 turn it off?
               o Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer
                 to view two info files at the same time?
               o Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped
                 working
               o Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?
          + 5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming Techniques
               o Q5.1.1 What is the difference in in key sequences
                 between XEmacs and GNU Emacs?
               o Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?
               o Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in
                 dired and have them put in separate buffers?
               o Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with
                 the line set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus
                 and AUC-TeX?
               o Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer?
          + 5.2 Sound
               o Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?
               o Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring
                 beep?
               o Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?
               o Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play
          + 5.3 Miscellaneous
               o Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all
                 the clauses of a Common Lisp if the same amount instead
                 of indenting the 3rd clause differently from the first
                 two?
               o Q5.3.2 Fontifying hangs when editing a postscript file.
               o Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?
               o Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.
                 [updated]
               o Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for
                 finding files?
               o Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in
                 some way? Say, with: [END] ?
               o Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?
               o Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes
                 available for abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in
                 the info.
               o Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?
               o Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?
               o Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work?
    6. Current Events
       
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                            5.0 Major & Minor Modes
                                       
   
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Subject: Q5.0.1 How can I do source code highlighting using font-lock?

   For most modes, font-lock is already set up and just needs to be
   turned on. This can be done by M-x font-lock-mode, or by having XEmacs
   automatically start it by adding lines like

(add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook      'turn-on-font-lock)

   to your .emacs. See the file etc/sample.emacs for more examples.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.2 I do not like cc-mode. How do I use the old c-mode?

   Well, first off, consider if you really want to do this. cc-mode is
   much more powerful than the old c-mode. If you're having trouble
   getting your old offsets to work, try using c-set-offset instead. You
   might also consider using the package cc-compat.
   
   But, if you still insist, add the following lines to your .emacs:
(fmakunbound 'c-mode)
(makunbound 'c-mode-map)
(fmakunbound 'c++-mode)
(makunbound 'c++-mode-map)
(makunbound 'c-style-alist)
(load-library "old-c-mode")
(load-library "old-c++-mode")

   This must be done before any other reference is made to either c-mode
   or c++-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.3 Does anyone know how to get the More Syntax Highlighting on by
	default?

   For C, C++, and Lisp, you can add the following to your .emacs:
(setq c-font-lock-keywords c-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq c++-font-lock-keywords c++-font-lock-keywords-2)
(setq lisp-font-lock-keywords lisp-font-lock-keywords-2)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.4 How can I enable auto-indent?

   Put the following line in your .emacs.
(setq indent-line-function 'indent-relative-maybe)

   If you want to get fancy, try the filladapt package available standard
   with XEmacs. Put this into your .emacs

(require 'filladapt)
(add-hook 'text-mode-hook    'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
;;; and so forth ...

   Please note that the fa-extras package is no longer useful.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.5 How can I get XEmacs to come up in text mode (auto-fill) by
	default?

   Try the following lisp in your .emacs:
(setq default-major-mode 'text-mode)
(setq text-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)

   WARNING: note that changing the value of default-major-mode from
   fundamental-mode can break a large amount of built-in code that
   expects newly created buffers to be in fundamental-mode. (Changing
   from fundamental-mode to text-mode might not wreak too much havoc, but
   changing to something more exotic like a lisp-mode would break many
   Emacs packages).
   
   Note that Emacs by default starts up in buffer *scratch* in
   initial-major-mode, which defaults to lisp-interaction-mode. Thus
   adding the following form to your Emacs init file will cause the
   initial *scratch* buffer to be put into auto-fill'ed text-mode.

(setq initial-major-mode
      (function (lambda ()
        (text-mode)
        (turn-on-auto-fill))))

   Note that after your init file is loaded, if inhibit-startup-message
   is null (the default) and the startup buffer is *scratch* then the
   startup message will be inserted into *scratch*; it will be removed
   after a timeout by erasing the entire *scratch* buffer. Keep in mind
   this default usage of *scratch* if you desire any prior manipulation
   of *scratch* from within your Emacs init file. In particular, anything
   you insert into *scratch* from your init file will be later erased.
   Also, if you change the mode of the *scratch* buffer, be sure that
   this will not interfere with possible later insertion of the startup
   message (e.g. if you put *scratch* into a nonstandard mode that has
   automatic font lock rules, then the startup message might get
   fontified in a strange foreign manner, e.g. as code in some
   programming language).
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.6 How do I start up a second shell buffer?

   In the *shell* buffer:
M-x rename-buffer RET *shell-1* RET
M-x shell RET

   This will then start a second shell. The key is that no buffer named
   *shell* can exist. It might be preferable to use M-x rename-uniquely
   to rename the *shell* buffer instead of M-x rename-buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.7 Telnet from *shell* filters too much

   I'm using the Emacs M-x shell function, and I would like to invoke and
   use a telnet session within it. Everything works fine except that now
   all ^M's are filtered out by Emacs. Fixes?
   
   Use M-x rsh or M-x telnet to open remote sessions rather than doing
   rsh or telnet within the local shell buffer.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.8 Why does edt emulation not work?

   We don't know, but you can use tpu-edt emulation instead, which works
   fine and is a little fancier than the standard edt emulation. To do
   this, add the following line to your .emacs:

(load "tpu-edt")

   If you don't want it to replace C-h with an edt-style help menu add
   this as well:

(global-set-key '(control h) 'help-for-help)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.9 How can I emulate VI and use it as my default mode?

   Our recommended VI emulator is viper. To make viper-mode the default,
   add this to your .emacs:

(viper-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.10 What is Omit minor mode?

   I have no idea where this is coming from, but ever since I moved from
   19.9 to 19.13 I have started seeing that all of my buffers will get a
   minor mode called Omit. I have no idea how it got there nor do I know
   what it does. What is it?
   
   It's part of dired. In dired, you can type M-o to get Omit mode and
   that will ignore uninteresting files (checkpoint files and backups,
   for example). You get Omit in the modeline everywhere because the
   variable `dired-omit-files-p' is globally set to some non-nil value.
   If you want this functionality, it's probably best to use a hook:

(add-hook 'dired-after-readin-hook '(lambda () (dired-omit-toggle)))

   Alternatively, since it seems odd to toggle the omit state with every
   readin, since readin can happen many times in a Dired buffer, you can
   try this hook to correct the Omit problem:

(add-hook 'dired-mode-hook
  (function (lambda ()
      ;; `dired-omit-files-p' is made buffer-local by "dired-x.el", but
      ;; maybe not soon enough.
            (make-local-variable 'dired-omit-files-p)
            (setq dired-omit-files-p t))))

   This is only run once, when the Dired buffer is created.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.11 Filladapt used to work after I loaded it. Now in 19.13 it
	doesn't. What gives?

   Filladapt 2.x is included in 19.13+. In it filladapt is now a minor
   mode and minor modes are traditionally off by default. The following
   added to your .emacs will turn it on for all buffers:

(setq-default filladapt-mode t)

   Use turn-on-filladapt-mode to turn Filladapt on in particular major
   modes, like this:

(add-hook 'text-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.12 How do I disable gnuserv from opening a new frame?

   If you set the gnuserv-frame variable to the frame that should be used
   to display buffers that are pulled up, a new frame will not be
   created. For example, you could put

(setq gnuserv-frame (selected-frame))

   early on in your .emacs, to ensure that the first frame created is the
   one used for your gnuserv buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.13 What do I do to start the gnuserv server so that each
	subsequent XEmacs is a client?

   Put the following in your .emacs file to start the server:
(gnuserv-start)

   Start your first XEmacs as usual. After that, you can do
gnuclient randomfilename

   from the command line to get your existing XEmacs process to open a
   new frame and visit randomfilename in that window. When you're done
   editing randomfilename, hit C-x # to kill the buffer and get rid of
   the frame.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.14 Strange things are happening in Shell Mode

   Sometimes (i.e. it's not repeatable, and I can't work out why it
   happens) when I'm typing into shell mode, I hit return and only a
   portion of the command is given to the shell, and a blank prompt is
   returned. If I hit return again, the rest of the previous command is
   given to the shell.
   
   Martin Buchholz <Martin.Buchholz@sun.com> writes:
   There is a known problem with interaction between csh and the filec
   option and XEmacs. You should add

if ( "$TERM" == emacs || "$TERM" == unknown ) unset filec

   to your .cshrc.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.15 Where do I get the latest CC Mode?

   Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:
   This can be had from <URL:http://www.python.org/ftp/emacs/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.16 I find auto-show-mode disconcerting. How do I turn it off?

   auto-show-mode controls whether or not a horizontal scrollbar
   magically appears when a line is too long to be displayed. This is
   enabled by default. To turn it off, put the following in your .emacs:

(setq auto-show-mode nil)
(setq-default auto-show-mode nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.17 How can I get two instances of the Info buffer to view two
	info files at the same time?

   You can't. The info package does not provide for multiple info
   buffers.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.18 I upgraded to XEmacs 19.14 and gnuserv stopped working

   Mark Daku <daku@nortel.ca> writes:
   It turns out I was using an older version of gnuserv. The installation
   didn't put the binary into the public bin directory. It put it in
   lib/xemacs-19.14/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.05/gnuserv. Shouldn't it have been
   put in bin/hppa1.1-hp-hpux9.0?
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.0.19 Is there something better than LaTeX mode?

   David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
   The standard TeX modes leave much to be desired, and are somewhat
   leniently maintained. Serious TeX users use AucTeX. See Q4.7.1.
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                          5.1 Emacs Lisp Programming
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.1 What is the difference in key sequences between XEmacs and GNU
	Emacs?

   Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no> writes; Emacs has a legacy of keyboards
   that produced characters with modifier bits, and therefore map a
   variety of input systems into this scheme even today. XEmacs is
   instead optimized for X events. This causes an incompatibility in the
   way key sequences are specified, but both Emacs and XEmacs will accept
   a key sequence as a vector of lists of modifiers that ends with a key,
   e.g., to bind M-C-a, you would say [(meta control a)] in both Emacsen.
   XEmacs has an abbreviated form for a single key, just (meta control
   a). Emacs has an abbreviated form for the Control and the Meta
   modifiers to string-characters (the ASCII characters), as in
   "\M-\C-a". XEmacs users need to be aware that the abbreviated form
   works only for one-character key sequences, while Emacs users need to
   be aware that the string-character is rather limited. Specifically,
   the string-character can accomodate only 256 different values, 128 of
   which have the Meta modifier and 128 of which have not. In each of
   these blocks, only 32 characters have the Control modifier. Whereas
   [(meta control A)] differs from [(meta control a)] because the case
   differs, "\M-\C-a" and "\M-\C-A" do not. Programmers are advised to
   use the full common form, both because it is more readable and less
   error-prone, and because it is supported by both Emacsen.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.2 Can I generate fake keyboard events?

   I wonder if there is an interactive function that can generate fake
   keyboard events. This way, I could simply map them inside XEmacs.
   
   This seems to work:
(defun cg--generate-char-event (ch)
  "Generate an event, as if ch has been typed"
  (dispatch-event (character-to-event ch)))

;;  Backspace and Delete stuff
(global-set-key '(backspace)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 127)))
(global-set-key '(unknown_keysym_0x4)
                '(lambda () (interactive) (cg--generate-char-event 4)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.3 How can I visit several marked files at once in dired and have
	them put in separate buffers?

   You can put this in your .emacs and then F will find marked files.
(add-hook
 'dired-load-hook
 (function (lambda ()
             (define-key dired-mode-map "F"
               (function
                (lambda () (interactive)
                  (mapcar 'find-file
                          (dired-mark-get-files))))))))

   Aki Vehtari <Aki.Vehtari@hut.fi> writes:
   You can also use dired-x.el (Sebastian Kremer's Extra DIRED). It
   defines F and makes other improvements too. See dired/dired-x.el in
   the XEmacs distribution.
   
   In your ~/.emacs, add:
(setq dired-load-hook '(lambda () (load "dired-x")))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.4 With 19.13, why do I get lots of lisp errors with the line
	set-text-something, especially with (ding) Gnus and AUC-TeX?

   The real problem is out of date software. Upgrade to later versions of
   Gnus and AUC-TeX where this problem doesn't exist.
   
   The problem lies with the needs for an Emacs function,
   set-text-properties, which generally isn't required by XEmacs. The
   solutions include adding the following code to your .emacs:

(fset 'set-text-properties (symbol-function 'ignore))

   or
(defadvice set-text-properties (around ignore-strings activate)
  "Ignore strings."
  (or (stringp (ad-get-arg 3))
      ad-do-it))

   or probably the canonical solution (posted by C.Thompson, on
   10/17/95):

(defun set-text-properties (start end props &optional buffer)
  "You should NEVER use this function.  It is ideologically blasphemous.
It is provided only to ease porting of broken FSF Emacs programs."
  (if (stringp buffer) nil
    (map-extents
     #'(lambda (extent ignored)
         (remove-text-properties
          start end (list (extent-property extent 'text-prop) nil)
          buffer))
     buffer start end nil nil 'text-prop)
    (add-text-properties start end props buffer)))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.1.5 How do I put a glyph as annotation in a buffer?

   Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

(let ((image-glyph (make-glyph-internal)))
(seems to be unavoidable to do 'make-glyph-internal')

Now for viewing files:
(set-glyph-image image-glyph view-graph-file-buf))

and for viewing already loaded buffers:
(setq image-glyph (make-glyph
                   (vector view-graph-file-format :data
                           (buffer-substring
                           (point-min)
                           (point-max)))))

   The thing I couldn't figure out is how to make XEmacs guess the format
   from the contents - like it does for files. So it's a real pain to
   extract the format from the extensions of the file-name...
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                   5.2 Sound
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.1 How do I turn off the sound?

   Add the following line to your .emacs:
(setq bell-volume 0)
(setq sound-alist nil)

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.2 How do I get funky sounds instead of a boring beep?

   Make sure your XEmacs was compiled with sound support, and then put
   this in your .emacs:

(load-default-sounds)

   The sound support in XEmacs 19.14 is greatly improved over previous
   versions.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.3 What's NAS, how do I get it?

   See Part 2, Q2.0.3 which has an explanation of the Network Audio
   System.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.2.4 Sunsite sounds don't play

   I'm having some trouble with sounds I've downloaded from sunsite. They
   play when I run them through showaudio or cat them directly to
   /dev/audio, but XEmacs refuses to play them.
   
   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   [Many of] These files have an (erroneous) 24byte header that tells
   about the format that they have been recorded in. If you cat them to
   /dev/audio, the header will be ignored and the default behavior for
   /dev/audio will be used. This happens to be 8kHz uLaw. It is probably
   possible to fix the header by piping through sox and passing explicit
   parameters for specifying the sampling format; you then need to
   perform a 'null' conversion from SunAudio to SunAudio.
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                               5.3 Miscellaneous
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.1 How do you arrange it so that XEmacs indents all the clauses of
	a Common Lisp if the same amount instead of indenting the 3rd
	clause differently from the first two?

   One way is to add, to .emacs:
(put 'if 'lisp-indent-function nil)

   However, note that the package cl-indent.el that comes with XEmacs
   sets up this kind of indentation by default. cl-indent also knows
   about many other CL-specific forms. To use cl-indent, one can do this:

(load "cl-indent")
(setq lisp-indent-function (function common-lisp-indent-function))

   One can also customize cl-indent.el so it mimics the default if
   indentation then indented more than the else). Here's how:

(put 'if 'common-lisp-indent-function '(nil nil &body))

   Also, a new version (1.2) of cl-indent.el was posted to
   comp.emacs.xemacs on 12/9/94. This version includes more documentation
   than previous versions. This may prove useful if you need to customize
   any indent-functions.
   
   NB: I would have thought with the passage of time this would be the
   standard version by now, but that appears not to be the case. The
   version of filladapt included with 19.14 is last dated 1993, and does
   not have a version number.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.2 Fontifying hang when editing a postscript file.

   When I try to edit a postscript file it gets stuck saying: fontifying
   'filename' (regexps....) and it just sits there. If I press C-c in the
   window where XEmacs was started, it suddenly becomes alive again.
   
   This was caused by a bug in the Postscript font-lock regular
   expressions. It should be fixed in 19.13. For earlier versions of
   XEmacs, have a look at your .emacs file. You will probably have a line
   like:

(add-hook 'postscript-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)

   Take it out, restart XEmacs, and it won't try to fontify your
   postscript files anymore.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.3 How can I print WYSIWYG a font-locked buffer?

   Font-lock looks nice. How can I print (WYSIWYG) the highlighted
   document?
   
   The package ps-print.el, which is now included with XEmacs, provides
   the ability to do this. The source code contains complete instructions
   on its use: <xemacs_src_root>/lisp/packages/ps-print.el
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.4 Getting M-x lpr to work with postscript printer.

   My printer is a Postscript printer and lpr only works for Postscript
   files, so how do I get M-x lpr-region and M-x lpr-buffer to work? Put
   something like this in your .emacs:

(setq lpr-command "a2ps")
(setq lpr-switches '("-p" "-1"))

   If you don't use a2ps to convert ASCII to postscript (why not, it's
   free?), replace with the command you do use. Note also that some
   versions of a2ps require a -Pprinter to ensure spooling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.5 How do I specify the paths that XEmacs uses for finding files?

   You can specify what paths to use by using a number of different flags
   when running configure. See the section MAKE VARIABLES in the
   top-level file INSTALL in the XEmacs distribution for a listing of
   those flags.
   
   Most of the time, however, the simplest fix is: DO NOT specify paths
   as you might for GNU Emacs. XEmacs can generally determine the
   necessary paths dynamically at run time. The only path that generally
   needs to be specified is the root directory to install into. That can
   be specified by passing the --prefix flag to configure. For a
   description of the XEmacs install tree, please consult the NEWS file.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.6 [This question intentionally left blank]

   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.7 Can I have the end of the buffer delimited in some way? Say,
	with: [END] ?

(make-annotation "[END]" (point-max) 'text (current-buffer))

   Note that you might want to put this in a hook. You might also need:
(require 'annotations)

   since make-annotation is not defined by default.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.8 How do I insert today's date into a buffer?

   Like this:
(insert (current-time-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.9 Are only certain syntactic character classes available for
	abbrevs? I didn't see any restrictions in the info.

   Markus Gutschke <gutschk@uni-muenster.de> writes:
   Yes, abbrevs only expands word-syntax strings. While XEmacs does not
   prevent you from defining (e.g. with C-x a g or C-x a l) abbrevs that
   contain special characters, it will refuse to expand them. So you need
   to ensure, that the abbreviation contains letters and digits only.
   This means that xd, d5, and 5d are valid abbrevs, but &d, and x d are
   not.
   
   If this sounds confusing to you, (re-)read the online documentation
   for abbrevs:

M-x Info-goto-node RET
(Emacs)Abbrevs RET

   or C-h i m Emacs RET m Abbrevs RET and then come back and read this
   question/answer again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.10 How can I get those oh-so-neat X-Face lines?

   Firstly there is an ftp site which describes X-faces and has the
   associated tools mentioned below.
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/faces/>.
   
   Then the steps are
    1. Create 48x48x1 bitmap with your favorite tool
    2. convert to "icon" format using one of xbm2ikon, pbmtoicon, etc.
       and then compile the face

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon |compface > file.face
    3. Then be sure to quote things that are necessary for emacs strings

cat ./file.face | sed 's/\\/\\\\/g'  | sed 's/\"/\\\"/g' > ./file.face.quoted
    4. Then set up emacs to include the file as a mail header - there
       were a couple of suggestions here - either something like

(setq  mail-default-headers
  "X-Face:  <Ugly looking text string here>")
   or

       (defun mail-insert-x-face ()
         (save-excursion
           (goto-char (point-min))
           (search-forward mail-header-separator)
           (beginning-of-line nil)
           (insert "X-Face:")
           (insert-file "~/.face")))

       (add-hook 'mail-setup-hook 'mail-insert-x-face)

   However, 2 things might be wrong:
   
   Some versions of pbmtoicon produces some header lines that is not
   expected by the version of compface that I grabbed. So I found I had
   to include a 'tail +3' in the pipeline like this:

cat file.xbm | xbm2ikon | tail +3 |compface > file.face

   Some people have also found that if one uses the (insert-file ...)
   method, one should NOT quote the face string using the sed script .
   
   It might also be helpful to use Stig <stig@hackvan.com>'s script
   (included in the compface distribution at XEmacs.org) to do the
   conversion. For convenience xbm2xface is available for anonymous FTP
   at
   ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/xemacs/xbm2xface.pl.
   
   Contributors for this item:
Paul Emsley,
Ricardo Marek,
Amir J. Katz,
Glen McCort,
Heinz Uphoff,
Peter Arius,
Paul Harrison, and
Vegard Vesterheim

------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.11 How do I add new Info directories?

   You use something like:
(setq Info-directory-list (cons
                            (expand-file-name "~/info")
                            Info-default-directory-list))

   David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:
   Emacs Info and XEmacs Info do many things differently. If you're
   trying to support a number of versions of Emacs, here are some notes
   to remember:
    1. Emacs Info scans Info-directory-list from right-to-left while
       XEmacs Info reads it from left-to-right, so append to the correct
       end of the list.
    2. Use Info-default-directory-list to initialize Info-directory-list
       if it is available at startup, but not all Emacsen define it.
    3. Emacs Info looks for a standard dir file in each of the
       directories scanned from #1 and magically concatenates them
       together.
    4. XEmacs Info looks for a localdir file (which consists of just the
       menu entries from a dir file) in each of the directories scanned
       from #1 (except the first), does a simple concatentation of them,
       and magically attaches the resulting list to the end of the menu
       in the dir file in the first directory.
       
   Another alternative is to convert the documentation to HTML with
   texi2html and read it from a web browser like Lynx or W3.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q5.3.12 What do I need to change to make printing work?

   For regular printing there are two variables that can be customized.
   
   lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes standard input and
          sends it to a printer. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-command "lp")

   lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list that contains whatever the print
          command requires to do its job. Something like:
          

(setq lpr-switches '("-depson"))

   For postscript printing there are three analogous variables to
   customize.
   
   ps-lpr-command
          This should be set to a command that takes postscript on
          standard input and directs it to a postscript printer.
          
   ps-lpr-switches
          This should be set to a list of switches required for
          ps-lpr-command to do its job.
          
   ps-print-color-p
          This boolean variable should be set t if printing will be done
          in color, otherwise it should be set to nil.
          
   NOTE: It is an undocumented limitation in XEmacs 19.14 that postscript
   printing (the Pretty Print Buffer menu item) requires a window system
   environment. It cannot be used outside of X11.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1996 by various people and edited by Steven L.
   Baur. Please send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.
   
   <= Part 4 Part 6 =>

-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu (John A. Eikenberry)
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Subject: Lisp nesting problem with OOBR?
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Hello,

I have been trying to get the OOBR to work for an Obj-C project
I am working on. I read through the info on how to create the environment
and followed the directions. For my Library directory I put 
'/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-unknown-linux/2.7.2.1/include/objc/' and for
my System directories I put the directories for my files and the 
include directory for the developement package I am using (I am using
the Swarm artificial life package, so this was ~/alife/swarm/include,
and my files were in ~/alife/network-sim/).

The OOBR seems to build ok (no errors), but when I go to run it, it
acts busy (listing various .h & .m files in the status area) but
then stops with this error:

Lisp nesting exceeds 'max-lisp-eval-depth'

I would greatly appreciate any advice/recommendations on how I can fix
this. The Docs make the OOBR really sound like an interesting tool and
I am looking forward to try it out.

Thanks in advance,

John Eikenberry
(jae@ai.uga.edu)
______________________________________________________________
"A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order
 will deserve neither and lose both."

					 --B. Franklin

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From: adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams)
Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
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Gary Beckmann (gary@radionics.com) wrote:

: Just more info.  I'm not sure about highlighted items, but when the
: slow down has happened over the last few days, acting on this tip I
: iconified the other frames -- and the slowdown would go away.

I've noticed something of a slowdown under HP-UX 10.  I haven't looked
at it very hard, but it appears that if you have a buffer showing in
more than one frame, Xemacs slows down to a crawl.

Sean
sadams@mail.metro.net
adams@zippy.sonoma.edu

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From: David Barr <david@oren.co.il>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: 06 Nov 1996 10:13:52 +0100
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
> articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend
> more than four thousand hours a year working with Emacs (it's the whole of
> my working environment), upwards of a thousand of which are spent writing
> new code or fixing bugs, in response to my own use or bug reports.  I have

More that 4000 hours a year? Let's see, that's 11 hours a day, every
single day of the year (with no time off for lunch or using the
lavatory). A 77 hour week 52 weeks of the year. No days off for
Christmas, Yom Kippur, or vacations. How long has this been going on?

Either you are a close relative of Clark Kent, or we have to take
whatever you write with a 1000 hour a year pinch of salt. 

-- 
David Barr.

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From: David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
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erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:

> it is most emphatically not my fault that you puke when you read views that
> don't match your own prejudices, and neither is it my vomit you're staring
> into afterwards.  please be so kind as to clean up your lunch with some
> appropriate material instead of sending it to me.  thank you.
> 
> good day, David.  I'm glad you're an XEmacs user.  that means the chances
> of ever having the pleasure of meeting you again is minimized.  I would
> also appreciate if you did your part to ensure that I won't.  please?

Uh oh, Erik, just don't stress *this* argument.  You'll scare hosts of
people away from GNU Emacs.

-- 
David Kastrup                                       Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de         Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> | I am using XEmacs 19.14, if that matters.
> 
> the above is true for Emacs 19.34.  you might consider upgrading.

Reminds me of the MS help file entry if the install process
found an OS/2 partition:

How to remove an OS/2 partition and upgrade it to MSDOS 6.2.

-- 
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Subject: how to assign new function to existing toolbar icon? (this is not in the FAQ)
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I am running xemacs 19.14. It displays in its toolbar an icon labelled
'replace' which is bound to query-replace. I would like to have it 
rebound to query-replace-regexp. How can this be done?

-- 

Ronald Otto Valentin Fischer
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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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>>"EN" == Erik Naggum schrieb am Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:07:29 GMT:
In article <3056191611825468@naggum.no> erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:

 EN> I have one suggestion to whoever wrote the marketing crap for
 EN> XEmacs: stop comparing yourself to Emacs.  just do your _own_ job
 EN> well.

I guess the marketing might have to do with the FAQ: why are there two
versions of Emacs around. Everybody claims to have it pros over the
other and it's quite obvious that you are not very happy with what the
XEmacs people consider as a plus compared to GNU Emacs.

[flame bashing deleted]

 EN> | If you prefer GNU Emacs that's fine.  But to suggest that
 EN> XEmacs is | better suited to novice and/or lazy programmers, and
 EN> GNU Emacs to | advanced and/or power-users is just plain wrong
 EN> and insulting.

??? I couldn't find what you state in Erik's post. Perhaps you should
read it again with less anger ?

 EN> XEmacs has focused on those aspects that attract beginners and
 EN> users from the Microsoft world.  Emacs has not.  XEmacs has
 EN> focused on being as feature-rich out of the box as possible.
 EN> Emacs demands that you turn on those features you want, after you
 EN> have read about them.  XEmacs is recommended by people who are

Okay - let's argue over the question if it is better to have a
feature-rich-out-of-the-box Xemacs or a
ensure-that-you-know-what-you-are-doing-GNU Emacs. It seems to me that
you are on the GNU Emacs side (and I guess I know why :) but let me
take a close look. What follows is strictly my IMHO.

0) In the real world (and this can be found at universities, too)
people usually are bothered with solving problems. What they need
therefore are tools for helping them solving this problems. What
Microsoft shows us is that tools can be very much of a hinderance when
they don't work as expected. And this is a crucial point for the
discussion. 

1) Stability is a must. It should not happen (but it does in
XEmacs sometimes) that a tool fails with such friendly messages as
wrong-type argument 1 string-p or something like that. So this might be a
point for GNU Emacs (although I don't use GNU Emacs very much, but I
had to fix several things with the XEmacs  19.14). 

2) The next point is something I would like to coin instant
usabilty. What XEmacs does is provide a lot of features which can be
used even by novices by the way of giving lots of fancy stuff and
doing a lot of things out-of-the-box. This is IMHO a good thing
because people want to solve a problem and not use an editor for fun
(well, one could argue on the last half of the sentence .. :-) What I
see happening here is that people use GNU Emacs (being novices) and that they
don't use many of the tons of good features Emacs has because they
don't know about it. The general attitude is that configuring and
learning using the tool (Emacs and the mode for example) requires too
much time they would like to rather spend on solving problems. And
this is the down side of GNU Emacs: you must read the manual (and read
on and learn on how to use special features of this and that mode and
how to hit which series of keys and .. you get the idea) before you
can solve your problem. So, to qoute Erik again:

 EN> moral systems.  programmers _should_ be lazy in the sense that
 EN> they should be unwilling to do unnecessary work.  also, I never
 EN> used the term "lazy" in a negative sense.  you did.

XEmacs with his fancy buttons and stuff allows novice users (or to
frequent users) to keep the learning curve less steep. (And note that
GNu Emacs also goes more into the direction of helping users with
menues). 

3) My personal conclusion: I don't consider the trade-offs of XEmacs
(less stability and greater use of resources) to be bad enough not to
use XEmacs. I would use GNU Emacs probably only when I had not
enough memory in my computer. It would be really fancy if one could
have an XEmacs which is equally small (and equally stable, perhaps). 
XEmacs allows me to learn over time and to take a close look at things
when I have the time for that but allows me to get a lot of my work
done even if I do not know every command by heart.

Just my 2c,

 Holger
-- 
holger_schauer :-
   mail_address("Holger.Schauer@gmd.de"),
   project("BGP-MS/AVANTI, GMD Sankt Augustin, FIT.MMK"),
   www_home_page("http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~schauer/index.html").

(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: search-menu.el
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:52:44 -0800
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Bryan Kramer wrote:
> 
> I've been getting a lot of requests for the location of my
> search-menu.el package, a package that opens a small window with fields
> for search and replace in xemacs (like modern word processor dialog
> boxes). It also contains a general mechanism for interpreting a data
> structure for creating different dialog boxes.

Hi Bryan,

first of all thanks a lot for this great package! I installed it and it
works fine but I came up with two (minor) suggestions for the code:

1) it might be a good idea to provide the user with some setup-hook to
enable him/her to make changes

(defvar searchm-setup-hook nil
  "Hook to run after searchm-setup-buffer")

and 
(run-hooks 'searchm-setup-hook)
somewhere in searchm-setup-buffer

2) I included a (kill-buffer searchm-control-buffer) in searchm-dismiss:
(defun searchm-dismiss ()
  (let* ((window (get-buffer-window searchm-control-buffer t))
	 (frame (and (windowp window) (window-frame window))))
    (kill-buffer searchm-control-buffer)
    (if (framep frame)
	(delete-frame frame))))
Now the package deinstalls completely and no extra buffer is left
over...

Furthermore the function my-message is missing. On compile I get the
error 'my-message not known to be defined'. It is used in
searchm-lookat-readonly. Probably I could substitute 'message' for this
(as stated in the code somewhere)?

Bye,
Thomas
-- 
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feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de   Justus Liebig Universitaet Giessen
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From: David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
Date: 06 Nov 1996 12:57:29 +0100
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David Barr <david@oren.co.il> writes:

> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> 
> > please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
> > articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend
> > more than four thousand hours a year working with Emacs (it's the whole of
> > my working environment), upwards of a thousand of which are spent writing
> > new code or fixing bugs, in response to my own use or bug reports.  I have
> 
> More that 4000 hours a year? Let's see, that's 11 hours a day, every
> single day of the year (with no time off for lunch or using the
> lavatory). A 77 hour week 52 weeks of the year. No days off for
> Christmas, Yom Kippur, or vacations. How long has this been going on?
> 
> Either you are a close relative of Clark Kent, or we have to take
> whatever you write with a 1000 hour a year pinch of salt. 

Or we have an answer to the question "do you call people names the way
like that when you are talking face to face with them, insult them
that way, carry on that arrogant, etc etc."

He has no time left over for personal relations, so the question does
not make sense.

-- 
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Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de         Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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Hi,

What's the go with the Menu->Options->Save Options ??

Say I decide that I'd like to change my font to 'fixed'
(even thought I can not find any italic fonts for it ...)
and then I do 'Save Options' ... it tells me on the modline
that it has written to ~/.emacs and ~/.xemacs-options

But when I have look in ~/.xemacs-options I find that there
are references to 'courier' fonts and _none_ to 'fixed'.

So if I restart Xemacs I have the courier fonts again!

How I get around this is to manually edit the damn thing,
change all couriers to fixed and change all -i- to -r-
as there seems to be no fixed-italic fonts (????)

Anyway, am I doing something wrong where?

TIA,

	Rob -

ps: please CC: me!

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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* Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
| Then how come I find that your participation in otherwise useful
| discussions about XEmacs results in a flame war?

because you (1) only remember it when you see a flame, and (2) only read
articles in comp.emacs.xemacs from me when they are crossposted from other
Emacs groups.  you draw your conclusions on known insufficient grounds.

| I have tried, *very* hard, to read what you actually write.  I have tried
| to find somewhere within it a person who only wishes to discuss two
| pieces of software.  But I haven't.  All your posts concerning XEmacs are
| full of general and personal insults to your correspondents, and are not
| in the least helpful -- but you know it quite well.  I am sorry about
| that, but I cannot change it.

once upon a time, it must have been a little over two years ago, I tried to
find out why the hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to the Emacs crowd.
I came into this debate as a complete novice, I tried to understand, I
asked around, I irritated a lot of people by poking in the wrong places and
found a lot of sore spots, but almost all of them in the XEmacs crowd.  I
was told that I was defending RMS, that I would get sick of it, just like
they had been, that RMS is impossible to work with (obviously due to a bad
filksong).  I tried to learn, but what did I learn?  I learned that the
XEmacs crowd is obsessed with denouncing Emacs, RMS, and _anybody_ who
worked or works on Emacs and Emacs design and who hasn't seen "the light".
I learned that the Emacs crowd behaves as if XEmacs does not exist, mostly
because the XEmacs crowd behaves like a bunch of idiots when it comes to
discussing Emacs.  well, I didn't like what I saw.

I have looked at XEmacs seriously for about three weeks (full time), and I
have read the XEmacs Lisp Reference Manual.  I have very serious doubts
about hundreds of design decisions in XEmacs, in particular the misguided
data abstraction they engage in.  (if it were such a good idea, why aren't
there any `defstruct' or `defclass' in XEmacs Lisp, only at the C level?
obviously, it is not a good idea at all -- the only point in hiding stuff
in C is that Ben Wing and others didn't want bonehead programmers to fuck
with internals.)  if encapsulation is such a grand objective, why haven't
XEmacs Lisp implemented Common Lisp's package-concept or something like it?
all they have done is reorganize the directory structure and call the flat
structure in Emacs "braindamaged" or worse.  XEmacs is a C program with a
very complex Lisp extension language, whereas Emacs is a Lisp program with
a C stratum.  XEmacs Lisp has hundreds more functions implemented in C than
Emacs Lisp has, and most of those are there to access data structures.
again, if data abstraction is such a good idea, why doesn't XEmacs Lisp
uniformly use `setf' forms instead of creating _tons_ of setter functions?
if the design in Emacs was so bad, why the hell have they only improved on
minor things in it?  there are _lots_ of ways to _really_ improve Emacs
Lisp, which any good Lisp programmer can enumerate standing on one foot!  I
found _none_ of them in XEmacs.  all I found was bitching and moaning about
how keymaps were lists and vectors in Emacs and a "real" abstract data type
in XEmacs.  now, what difference does _that_ make?  who _cares_?

unlike most of the vocal XEmacs folks, I respect the fact that GNU Emacs is
RMS's brainchild.  XEmacs was created because of differences in attitude to
a lot of things.  the discussions (which I read in full when I was looking
for an explanation for the hostilities), showed me two sides who were
equally stubborn and at times childish, but I found that RMS was able to
spell out _why_ he thought the way he did, and the renegades were not.  I
found an idea about a grand design (larger than Emacs alone) at work in
RMS' messages where I found discontent, rebelliousness and impatience in
the renegades'.  I _also_ found a desire to modernize the user interface in
the renegade camp, but the only real difference was the speed at which it
would be done, one side seeking to minimize the ramifications involved, the
other careless about such consequences.  I have had discussions with a few
people in the XEmacs camp who are exceptionally bright, I have talked with
a few good XEmacs people on the phone, but every time I see a discussion of
Emacs in the XEmacs camp, it's always that gloating "we're so superior,
you're so inferior" that armies and politicians engage in when they know
they are about to lose.  I wondered, what is it that the XEmacs crowd is
afraid of?  what is it that they fear will happen to them?  then I realized
it.  there is room for two cooperating Emacsen, but not for two competing
ones, and they have chosen to compete.  I don't think they'll survive, and
they fear they won't.  they have taken free software, grafted on a lot of
improvements, some solid, some experimental, and through either ill will or
incompetence made it harder to integrate the improvements back into the
host, which continues to develop at a fast pace.  they haven't cared about
copyrights as much as they should have, but they have in consequence been
more welcome to people who only wanted to make some small improvements that
FSF's copyright policies made just that one bit too hard or inconvenient.
quite contrary to the goal of protecting code from destructive influences
from people who didn't know what they were doing, from looking at XEmacs
code, I found a wide variety of styles and much evidence of spliced-in
code.  in Emacs, such is restricted to individual packages.  in tracking
the source code for Emacs (I mirror it to my own system, and build new
Emacs versions to test and verify changes daily), I see many small
aesthetic improvements in the vicinity of bugs that were fixed.  despite
what the XEmacs renegades say, there is a strong sense of _elegance_ in
Emacs, an elegance that I find totally lacking in XEmacs, which bears all
the evidence of a system whose primary goal is to make it _work_.

to me, free software is the idea that programmers should be able to read
source code like authors read other books before they write their own, like
playwrights go to the theater, like all other areas of creative exercises
in our society are based on learning from the masters.  this means that the
masters must focus on one thing: never willingly produce something that is
way under par.  in the commercial software world, "we need it yesterday,
there's no time for your complaints about ugly solutions" is the standard
attitude.  "there's never time to do it right, but always time to fix it."
you know how it goes.  I see free software as an objection to the low
quality that permeates the software industry, and as a chance to show
students of programming how this trade of ours _could_ be performed.  I see
the XEmacs code quality as more "modern" in the sense that it uses coding
techniques that improve nothing, slow things down, and only make it harder
to understand what's going on, just like the _massive_ "API"s in most
window systems basically makes it impossible to wrap your head around
what's going on, even if you wanted to.  if your goal is to write code that
is "encapsulated" so others aren't supposed to mess with your code, that's
fine, but it's also different from the goal of free software, which has as
its primary goal to be readable, understandable, _modifiable_, sharable.
if you have to rebuild XEmacs from the sources just to tweak some small
thing, you don't do it.  and people don't generally tweak XEmacs.  lots of
people have written me, explaining in great detail that they prefer XEmacs
because it works better out of the box than Emacs does, and that they can
grab binaries instead of having to compile it.  (of course, they haven't
tried to install any recent Emacs versions, but that's to be expected.)
thus, a fundamental issue in free software is actively threatened by
XEmacs.  I do think this is at least as bad as the excessive hype that
still emenates from the XEmacs camp.  this is also part of my rejection of
XEmacs.  as the binary-only commercial product it aspires to be it would
probably be great, but it is not a commercial product.  it's supposed to be
free software for aspiring programmers to learn from.  being told that so
and so is "superior" and so and so is "inferior" is a very bad idea if you
want to help people understand.  if you wish to increase your sales
figures, people don't have to understand.  all these comparisons are done
by people so biased that they have no value, and they make it harder for
people to make their own comparisons.  I have, and look at what the XEmacs
people do: they don't tolerate the least bit of criticism of their abstract
data types with hundreds of unnecessarily complex functions to use them.

(before someone sticks his head up telling me I do the same: I answered a
question on a newsgroup, I didn't set up a high-profile web site with
propaganda.  I work on Emacs, I don't run a marketing campaign.  I wish
XEmacs people would work on XEmacs and not run marketing campaigns, too.)

thank you for listening, whoever you are.  I fully expect the folks who
could have had some use for this message to have seen red and become all
enraged just by seeing the headers fly by.  if you think it's worth it,
alert some of them to this message.  thanks.

#\Erik
-- 
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Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net> writes:

> If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior
> to xemacs.

1. Emacs is faster, specially on character-based terminals.
2. Emacs starts much faster.
3. Emacs is smaller, but that isn't noticeable for most users.
4. I don't remember in which *year* Emacs last crashed on me.  XEmacs
   has crashed on me or a user here every week for versions 19.12,
   19.13, and 19.14 (the latest version).  I have been told this is
   due to garbage-collection bugs, which are very difficult to debug.
5. The Emacs "core" is more stable.  I have found, however, that since
   the XEmacs maintainers include more packages in the "distributed"
   realease, the actual XEmacs system as a whole is more stable.  This
   really depends on the usage YOU make of Emacs/XEmacs.
6. Emacs has a shorter "debugging cycle" (i.e. patches are issued more
   often).  Some will argue this is because Emacs is released too
   soon, and requires more patches.  In practice, I have had very few
   answers to my bug reports in XEmacs (and no solution), while many
   of the bugs I reported for Emacs have resulted in quick patches.

Yet, I prefer XEmacs because I can do more with it, it is easier to
use, and because the users here prefer XEmacs (i.e. they *really*
wanted the nicer GUI).  Moreover, I don't have to install and maintain
as many packages "on the side", since XEmacs comes configured with
more packages.

I have to keep Emacs 19.28 around for the days when XEmacs crashes.

I have used 4 different Emacsen (Gosling, UniPress, Emacs, and
XEmacs), almost every day since 1985.
   

-- 
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On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, root wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What's the go with the Menu->Options->Save Options ??
> 
> Say I decide that I'd like to change my font to 'fixed'
> (even thought I can not find any italic fonts for it ...)
> and then I do 'Save Options' ... it tells me on the modline
> that it has written to ~/.emacs and ~/.xemacs-options
> 
> But when I have look in ~/.xemacs-options I find that there
> are references to 'courier' fonts and _none_ to 'fixed'.
> 
> So if I restart Xemacs I have the courier fonts again!
> 
> How I get around this is to manually edit the damn thing,
> change all couriers to fixed and change all -i- to -r-
> as there seems to be no fixed-italic fonts (????)
> 
> Anyway, am I doing something wrong where?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 	Rob -
> 
> ps: please CC: me!
> 
> //=======================================================
> // Robert Nader: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au
> //=======================================================
> 

Hi everybody

	I have got exactly the same problem as Robert Nader. Can anyone 
of you out there, help me as well ?

with regards,
Saifi

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>>>>> On 04 Nov 1996, Sailesh Krishnamurthy <krish@cs.purdue.edu> said:

Sailesh> What I do is catchup with all the unread articles in the
Sailesh> group, go to the *Group* buffer and select the newsgroup
Sailesh> again. You are asked how many read articles you want to see,
Sailesh> and you select the number of articles in which you expect
Sailesh> yours to be. [...]

  There is a simpler (and faster) way, just do a C-u RET to enter the
group.  If you know how many articles you want (here 123 for example)
do C-u 123 RET.

Kim-Minh.

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From: George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com>
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Subject: Inserting ASCII codes
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Is there an easy way to insert non-printable ascii codes in a buffer?

I am using query-pr to get a list of bugs.  I pipe the results to a
file, and then want to manually insert formfeeds (Ctrl-l) between
reports to make it easier to read when I print it out.  However, I have
not been able to figure out how to insert the formfeeds.  The workaround
is to use (eeeerrrr) "vi" to insert on formfeed and then edit the file
with xemacs.  I thought I read somewhere about a command to insert ascii
codes or uninterpreted key sequences, but I can't find that information
for the life of me.

As a side note, how do I exit VI emulation without exiting xemacs?


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>>>>> "George" == George Menyhert <george.menyhert@cinesoft.com> writes:

    George> Is there an easy way to insert non-printable ascii codes
    George> in a buffer?  I am using query-pr to get a list of bugs.
    George> I pipe the results to a file, and then want to manually
    George> insert formfeeds (Ctrl-l) between reports to make it
    George> easier to read when I print it out.  However, I have not
    George> been able to figure out how to insert the formfeeds.  The
    George> workaround is to use (eeeerrrr) "vi" to insert on formfeed
    George> and then edit the file with xemacs.  I thought I read
    George> somewhere about a command to insert ascii codes or
    George> uninterpreted key sequences, but I can't find that
    George> information for the life of me.
C-q C-l
ie Control q quotes the next character

  

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I have been using Xemacs version 19.13 running on linux at home, and have 
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I assume this isn't a change from 19.13 to 19.14, can anyone tell me if and 
how this is configurable?

Thanks,
David


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Hello Everyone,

I have a paper due for my computer class in a couple of weeks and I am
going to write it on the "SECRETS OF THE INTERNET".

I have only been in the Internet for about one month now and I am
learning all the time.

My question to you is:

Can you give me any useful information that pertains to the following
subject listed above that might be about to help me out?

It can be maybe some experience that you have had on your journy into
cyberspace.  Or something that you have discovered on the Internet that
might be a secret or useful information that might help me with my
paper.

Thanks for your help,

PS please e-mail me a rdielec@chelsea.ios.com with your suggestions.

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Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:

> Erik just tend to have a finger on the "flame" key ready for any
> thread where comparison between Emacs and XEmacs is involved.
> 
> Since the last one, he's been living happilly at the bottom of my kill
> file (first and last one to ever get in there, hope you won't feel too
> lonely Erik ;-) and mail from his site is also filtered out. I'm
> feeling much better now that I don't have to read his insanities.
> 

At the risk of flame bait or thread drift (bg), can I set up a kill file 
for gnus, and if so, how?

Pat

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Hi,

How can I automatically fold some lines in XEmacs?


Example:

	/*- Text -*/
	Line 1
	Line 2
	/**/

with fold-markers:

	start = "/*-"
	end   = "/**"

Result (something like this):

	> Text -*/


Please send you answer to jgeiss@qint.de

Thank you
Johannes
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I'm trying hard to get xemacs to do some batchjobs for me. 
It should load a lisp library defining the command "ht-expand", a file
and then process the function ht-expand on this file.

I tried the following:

	xemacs -batch index.pht -l htexpand.el -f ht-expand

witch is modelled after

-----quote form Xemacs Ref Man---------

     Here is an advanced example that assumes you have a Lisp program
     file called `hack-c-program.el' which, when loaded, performs some
     useful operation on the current buffer, expected to be a C
     program.

	  xemacs -batch foo.c -l hack-c-program -f save-buffer -kill > log

     Here Emacs is told to visit `foo.c', load `hack-c-program.el'
     (which makes changes in the visited file), save `foo.c' (note
     that `save-buffer' is the function that `C-x C-s' is bound to),
     and then exit to the shell from which the command was executed.
     `-batch' guarantees there will be no problem redirecting output
     to `log', because Emacs will not assume that it has a display
     terminal to work with.

-----end quote form Xemacs Ref Man---------


But it doesn't work.

If I do

	xemacs -q index.pht -l htexpand.el -f ht-expand	

I can see that he has the following buffers: index.pht, -l,
htexpand.el, -f, ht-expand. It seems that XEmacs will not process any
command switches after the FILE argument (only as additional files)

Any help?

(No, it is not an option for me to use -i FILE)

thanks,
	Jens

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I got a great response from this group when I asked the same question:

Use ^q followed by the special character, ^l in your case.  Only the ^L
will show in the buffer.

George Menyhert (george.menyhert@cinesoft.com) wrote:
: Is there an easy way to insert non-printable ascii codes in a buffer?

: I am using query-pr to get a list of bugs.  I pipe the results to a
: file, and then want to manually insert formfeeds (Ctrl-l) between
: reports to make it easier to read when I print it out.  However, I have
: not been able to figure out how to insert the formfeeds.  The workaround
: is to use (eeeerrrr) "vi" to insert on formfeed and then edit the file
: with xemacs.  I thought I read somewhere about a command to insert ascii
: codes or uninterpreted key sequences, but I can't find that information
: for the life of me.

: As a side note, how do I exit VI emulation without exiting xemacs?


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From: John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov>
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net>
> | I am an emacs user.  But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
> | the xemacs www site.  It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is
> | superior to emacs.

Uh-oh.  Here we go again...

[big snip]

> when somebody starts
> up the "I'm better than you" machine, you can be pretty certain they are
> dishonest creeps.

[little snip]

Hmmm.  Interesting.  I'll keep that in mind.

Thanks.

--
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Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;
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* Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr>
| Erik just tend to have a finger on the "flame" key ready for any
| thread where comparison between Emacs and XEmacs is involved.

XEmacs should be able to sell on its own merits, without constantly
portraying Emacs as inferior in order to get an edge on it, and without
ridiculing that from which they came, that without which they would not
exist.  you will find no hostilities from the official Emacs sites, towards
XEmacs, nothing in the FAQ, there is no match for _any_ of the hostilities
from the _official_ XEmacs sources and FAQs and folks towards Emacs.  this
is patently unfair.  I object to that unfairness.

| Since the last one, he's been living happilly at the bottom of my kill
| file (first and last one to ever get in there, hope you won't feel too
| lonely Erik ;-) and mail from his site is also filtered out. I'm
| feeling much better now that I don't have to read his insanities.

over the past ~12 years, I have seen strong disagreement among people on
the Net and in electronic discussion groups, I have seen groups of people
gang up on one individual or another, I have seen a few individuals go
after another with an intent to kill.  I have found myself seriously *hurt*
by _three_ messages in all these years.  Richard Cognot has the dubious
distinction of having authored the fourth.

it's one thing to get sick and tired of any ranting and raving on XEmacs,
if that is what one thinks it is, few and far between as they are.  that
can easily be avoided by not reading (or starting!) threads that compare
Emacs and XEmacs, in comp.emacs.xemacs, which I don't read and to which I
never post, unless by accident when the thread is crossposted.  it's quite
another to brand everything I do for the Emacs community as "insanities".
I get _sick_ to my stomach to think that some foul bastard like Richard
Cognot can benefit from my work.  I hate the fact that what I do can be of
any benefit to creep like Richard Cognot and whoever else gloats over what
he does.

_users_ of Emacs and XEmacs don't see this and may be very surprised to
find that there is so much personal hatred between developers of tools that
share such a strong common heritage.  however, if you put yourself in my
place and others, and see what Richard Cognot and that crowed can do,
_SMILING_ in the middle of it, and you read some of the purely destructive
material emanating from the XEmacs crowd about Emacs and RMS and others who
have helped develop Emacs, you will understand that this is not a technical
issue, it's a question of hurt feelings and intentionally destructive
people.  XEmacs has been a welcoming place for those who hate some aspect
of Emacs or another, and that is a stronger part of its legacy than
anything else could be.

I don't know who began, I don't know what each has done in the past outside
of the written record and what I have heard, but what I do know is that no
Emacs developer (past or present) has a web page explaining why it is
impossible to cooperate with any XEmacs developer, there are no web pages
implicitly or explicity saying that Emacs is superior to XEmacs, even
though it is in very many respects.  I don't know what made the previous
author of the answer to question 5.1.1 in the XEmacs FAQ use "braindamaged"
and other unnecessary hostilities towards Emacs in a supposedly informative
document to help XEmacs users.  however, these are very typical of the
attitudes harbored by XEmacs folks.  (notwithstanding Chuck Thompson's
attempts to say that if anybody talks about "XEmacs folks", they must talk
about him, and since he doesn't enage in this, then nobody does.)  further,
I do not at all understand what the problems that others have had with
Emacs suggestions refer to, and I must conclude that it was all of their
own making.  in contrast to this, I have seen so much abuse from the XEmacs
crowd over the past few years that I just can't remain calm towards people
who take such obvious pleasure in destruction.  I have seen a few people
move to the XEmacs camp when they suffered an uncontrollable rage towards
decisions they don't agree with about their suggestions for Emacs, as if
they had a right to dictate others, but not be dictated themselves.  when
such hateful and angry fools congretate, one cannot but get but a breeding
ground for hostilities, for desires to kill the competition in every
possible way, preferably by "we're superior and you suck" arguments.

I'm sorry, but as an Emacs volunteer who tries to make this environment
better, I do get bitter and I do get a sore spot that some idiots know full
well how to exploit when exposed to the near-constant rush of negativism
from XEmacs users.  every gloating bug report, every little snide remark
registers.  I try very hard not even to mention XEmacs, I don't respond to
requests for help from XEmacs users, but I do see them all -- users who
have acquired that attitude of superiority that can only find its basis in
an inferiority complex and a very hostile environment.  XEmacs will forever
be mired in the manure from which it rose, people who went away in anger
and did their own thing because they were unable to explain themselves well
enough to have others take part in their vision.  to that end, Richard
Cognot has shown me that there is no point in trying to talk to XEmacs
people about anything.  he and others of his kind will always be there,
ready to engage his particularly foul personal attacks, as he has in the
past, as he did now.  you can't rid a community of bad seed when the whole
community grew out of bad seed who wanted to attack and destroy their
heritage, out of what must have been strong feelings of inadequacy --
nothing else can explain why they remain so angry to this day.

the best solution _is_ probably to regard XEmacs as non-existent.  but that
is wrong, too, according to complaints from the XEmacs folks, who are
constantly complaining that Emacs web sites and documents don't mention
XEmacs.  why should they?  the XEmacs folks were childish rebels on a
mission of destruction and competition, and so got disinherited.  is that
really surprising to them?  and why do they want to be listed on the web
page for a "braindamaged" competitor, anyway?  the fact is, XEmacs is
_inferior_ to Emacs in all respects that count.  so to hell with it.

#\Erik
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>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Marshall <Simon.Marshall@esrin.esa.it> writes:

sb> Wait until GNU Emacs 19.35 when the same facility is
sb> implemented with a different name (debug-force) :-(.

Simon> As rms said on the XEmacs Beta list, following Ben's request he
Simon> changed the variable name to the one used by XEmacs.

Yes he did, as you and others have pointed out.  I stand corrected.
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Peter J. Schenk (rdielec@chelsea.ios.com) wrote:
> Hello Everyone,

> I have a paper due for my computer class in a couple of weeks and I am
> going to write it on the "SECRETS OF THE INTERNET".

> I have only been in the Internet for about one month now and I am
> learning all the time.

> My question to you is:

> Can you give me any useful information that pertains to the following
> subject listed above that might be about to help me out?

My advice: Go to http://www.jumbo.com/ and try to find a grammar checker
before writing a sentence like the one above on your class paper.

> It can be maybe some experience that you have had on your journy into
> cyberspace.  Or something that you have discovered on the Internet that
> might be a secret or useful information that might help me with my
> paper.

> Thanks for your help,

> PS please e-mail me a rdielec@chelsea.ios.com with your suggestions.

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> 
> How can I automatically fold some lines in XEmacs?
> 
> 
> Example:
> 
> 	/*- Text -*/
> 	Line 1
> 	Line 2
> 	/**/
> 
> with fold-markers:
> 
> 	start = "/*-"
> 	end   = "/**"
> 
> Result (something like this):
> 
> 	> Text -*/
> 


Maybe you could try the folding.el package
>From the Introduction

;; This package provides a minor mode, compatible with all major
;; editing modes, for folding (hiding) parts of the edited text or
;; program.
;;
;; Folding mode handles a document as a tree, where each branch is
;; bounded by special markers `{{{' and `}}}'.  A branch can be placed
;; inside another branch, creating a complete hierarchical structure.
;;
;; Folding mode can CLOSE a fold, leaving only the initial `{{{'
;; and possibly a comment visible.
;;
;; It can also ENTER a fold, which means that only the current fold
;; will be visible, all text above `{{{' and below `}}}' will be
;; invisible.

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I cannot reach you via email, so I am posting this.

 (lamb@dilbert.huntsville.sparta.com) wrote:
> At the risk of flame bait or thread drift (bg), can I set up a kill file 
> for gnus, and if so, how?

Try not to use killing, but scoring (which can accomplish the same,
but much better).  Read the documentation on scoring in Gnus.  The
easiest cook-book way is the following.

Create ~/News/all.SCORE with the contents like this:

((mark -100)
 (expunge -500)
 ("subject"
  ("$$" -1000 nil s)
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^\\(Re: *\\)?[^a-z0-9]*$" -20 nil R)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!!" -10 nil s))
 ("from"
  ("creep" -100 nil s)))

As you can see, it is a kind of list.  (mark -100) means that articles
with score less than -100 will be marked as read.  (expunge -500)
means that articles with score less than -500 will not be shown at
all.

"subject" means scoring of subject.  The following line means to lower
by 1000 (i.e. kill) an article containing the substring "$$".

Next lines lowers by twenty and ten the articles that are written in
caps-only and contain "!!", respectively.

The last entry lowers the score of creep's artivle by 100.  It's not
that hard, and it is very fast and powerful.  Do read the manual to
find more details.

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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>>>>> "EN" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

    EN> Emacs' Lisp is also simpler.  where Emacs has 10 functions and
    EN> use existing types and access functions, XEmacs has 50
    EN> functions and use an entirely new datatype.  where Emacs tries
    EN> not to do too many things that break working code, XEmacs
    EN> doesn't care at all, claiming instead that the way it was done
    EN> in the past was "braindamaged" and other favorite terms of
    EN> respect, clearly implying that should somebody improve on
    EN> _their_ design, they will happily accept similar treatment of
    EN> their now "superior" solutions.

Of course the flip side is that for a particular given feature, where
Emacs exposes and requires you to deal with the low-level
representation, XEmacs gives you a higher level abstraction to
manipulate.  This means that if the low-level implementation changes,
your code breaks.  I've been bitten by this in Emacs a few times
(e.g. keymap parents and mode menus).

    EN> a lot of packages are developed either for XEmacs or for
    EN> Emacs, because it is often too hard to do both.

This is true.  But the fault is mutual and indicates that the highest
priority for both camps *should* be to converge on a common API, and
to spend considerable effort to implement to an existing API when
possible.
    
    EN> new, immature, fancy packages are usually developed for
    EN> XEmacs.  robust packages are usually developed for Emacs.

This is simply not true.

    EN> in almost all respects, XEmacs gives more to the impatient,
    EN> hands-on, "new" generation which doesn't have time to read
    EN> manuals, while Emacs gives more to the experienced and
    EN> dedicated users who read manuals to learn and understand.

Again, not true.  Many very experienced programmers use and develop
primarily on XEmacs.  Most try hard to make sure that the lisp they
develop runs on both Emacsen.  Sometimes that's very hard to do.

-Barry

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I'm not disputing that Martin (or others) has experienced these
things, but here's another perspective from someone who practically
lives in XEmacs.

For me, XEmacs is usually fast enough for what I do, which includes
programming in various languages, reading mail and news, web browsing,
etc.  XEmacs 19.14 does exhibit an occasional glitch where it takes a
long time on saving a file, but the problem is very intermittent in my
experience.  A nit, but not an app killer.  XEmacs 19.14 seems to me
to be very stable -- it almost never crashes, and certainly for me
does not crash any more, or less, than Emacs.  XEmacs has some bugs,
but then, so does Emacs -- just different ones, so that's a wash.  I
really dislike the display defaults that Emacs uses (e.g. font sizes,
colors, etc) but then if I really cared, I could spend some time
configuring it to my tastes.

For me, the deciding factor is the XEmacs ability to open many
different frames on many different devices, including combinations of
X and tty frames.  For someone else it might be that Emacs has been
ported to Windows, where XEmacs has not.

Pick one or the other, and I'm sure you'll be happy with it.  Or at
least you won't be more unhappy than if you'd chosen the other one.
:-) Most of the folks at my office use XEmacs because that's what I
maintain, because that's what I started using and have been tracking
since, I dunno, the early 90's when there wasn't even an Emacs 19 to
be had.  Since then, I've never had a reason to switch.

-Barry

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>>>>> "PA" == Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

    PA: You need to call `easy-menu-add' and `easy-menu-remove' when
    PA: you enter/leave the mode.  This can be done in the minor mode
    PA: function itself.

Thanks, this works.

But: When this minor mode is global, this does not what I want.  When
I enable it, menu is added only in the current buffer.  Even newly
created buffers are in this mode but without appropriate menu!  (I
have to disable and then enable minor mode in such new buffer to
receive my menu in menubar.)

I can change default menu, which solves problem with newly created
buffers but doesn't change menubar in existing buffers.  Possibly I
should call some refresh function in minor mode function after
`easy-menu-add'?

Milan Zamazal

-- 
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	The XEmacs 19.14 configure program understands about Socks,
but it's Socks v4, not Socks v5.  As I can get the Socks v5 beta to
compile on Linux 2.0.18, while the Socks 4.3 beta is blowing chuncks
at me, I'd like to know if anyone has already taken the time to create
patches for XEmacs.  Alternatively, is there a How To Socks5ify
document around anywhere, so that I can make the changes?

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Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
> I'm trying hard to get xemacs to do some batchjobs for me. 
> It should load a lisp library defining the command "ht-expand", a file
> and then process the function ht-expand on this file.
> I tried the following:
> 	xemacs -batch index.pht -l htexpand.el -f ht-expand

Use xemacs -batch -eval '(find-file "index.pht")' -l htexpand.el -f ht-expand

The former version should work too; it might be a bug in XEmacs.

-- 
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Erik Naggum writes:
> [lots of incredibly hateful stuff.]

Dude, you have some seriously unresolved issues.  Good luck
getting over it.


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Attention all regexp-erts:

>From the help on query-replace-regexp:

  "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."

How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.

I'm stumped and would rather not hafta use awk() or sed().

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David Phelps wrote:
> 
> I have been using Xemacs version 19.13 running on linux at home, and have
> recently ported version 19.14 to ptx v4.3 on a Symmetry machine at work.  On
> version 19.13 on linux, the toolbar is a nice gray with three-dimensional
> motif-style appearance.  On version 19.14, the toolbar is white with outline
> (no 3-D) graphics on the buttons, although the scrollbars and other pieces are
> 3-D, motif-style.
> 
> I assume this isn't a change from 19.13 to 19.14, can anyone tell me if and
> how this is configurable?
> 
> Thanks,
> David

I hope that you mean the xpm library. Download the library
xpm-3.4i.tar.gz from some
ftp archive and make the lib lixXpm.a. When you later on create Xemacs
just configure it
with the xpm flag.

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From: darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson)
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>This is true.  But the fault is mutual and indicates that the highest
>priority for both camps *should* be to converge on a common API, and
>to spend considerable effort to implement to an existing API when
>possible.

The priority should be to merge the two packages.  However, I see too
much bickering.  RMS strongly appears to resist anything he doesn't
like, effectively making him the final arbiter in what gets in Emacs
and what doesn't.  Yes, having a better keymap data type is *good*,
yet RMS is opposed.  RMS was also opposed to integrating MULE features
into Emacs as well (he wanted to wait until they had unicode support,
even though people were making use of Nemacs/MULE with local national
standards before they had heard of unicode).  The history as recorded
by XEmacs, if accurate, gives good reason for its existance.  Its hard
to deny that there are a lot of thing Emacs that need fixing or
redesigning (I'm a big believer that a complete redesign and overhaul
is good for a product).  And if you want to fix most of them with a
differeing view from RMS, currently you have to split off from GNU
Emacs.

On the other hand, XEmacs people go out of their way to antagonize
Emacs developers.  I'd love to see cooperation here, but saying
something like "we don't use a brain damaged way of doing..." doesn't
help matters.  And continuing to widen the differences between the two
versions instead of working to closely track GNU code exacerbates things
as well.  And the API is much more complex; sometimes this is necessary
because of lapses in Emacs, but too often it seems needless as well.

I prefer XEmacs though; even though I don't make use of most of the
X11 support.  But I'd prefer a single GNU/Xemacs/MULE.

-- 
Darin Johnson
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From: Mike Campbell <mcampbel@offenbach.sbi.com>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:


> * David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk>
> | Do you really have nothing better to do than type out a pile of verbal
> | vomit?
> 
> I don't "type out a pile of verbal vomit", David.

I'm beginning to wonder if Erik and David Sternlight aren't actually
the same person.

*I've* never seen them both at the same place simultaneously.


[And since neither seem to have any sense of humor whatsoever, have
one of these: =) No, better take 2; they're small.  =) ]


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From: Rajappa Iyer <rsi@lucent.com>
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bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:

> For me, XEmacs is usually fast enough for what I do, which includes
> programming in various languages, reading mail and news, web browsing,
> etc.  XEmacs 19.14 does exhibit an occasional glitch where it takes a
> long time on saving a file, but the problem is very intermittent in my
> experience.  A nit, but not an app killer.  XEmacs 19.14 seems to me
> to be very stable -- it almost never crashes, and certainly for me
> does not crash any more, or less, than Emacs. 

I'd have to more or less agree with this with the caveat that ugly
things happen when Emacsen run out of memory and it is easier to reach
that situation with XEmacs than with Emacs. 

In any case, I have stopped using XEmacs altogether because I find it
unusably slow on my main platform: SunOS 4.1.3. And I'm not the only
one who has this problem... I tried everything from recompiling with
gcc -O4 to disabling lazy font lock... but it is still too slow. So,
if one is using SunOS 4.1.x, this whole discussion is really
moot... XEmacs is unusably slow on it.
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From: Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Pre-compiled version for RS/6000 AIX 4.1.x ??
Date: 06 Nov 1996 14:03:40 +0000
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Hi there

I've looked at the distribution site for a XEmacs version for AIX
4.1.x, but only see a version for 3.2.5
(xemacs-19.14-rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5.tar.gz), which reportedly crashes on
startup.  Is there a more recent version available anywhere?

Please copy any response to sfurnival@abingdon.geoquest.slb.com.

Thanks for any response.
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Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
> Attention all regexp-erts:
> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.

`C-q C-j'

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I couldn't send tou your email address for some
reason...

(X)Emacs kill files use LISP, which is a very nice thing

You can use the command "gnus-kill-file-edit-file" to edit
your killfile and "gnus-kill-file-exit" to write it to
disk and go back to GNUS-reading.  You can have a global
killfile (which lives in ~/News/KILL) and/or killfiles
for each group.  I have enclosed a portion of my killfile as
an example ... my apologies if you have friends in there.
The gnus-kill's mark the articles with an 'X' and the
gnues-expunge deletes the appropriately marked articles.

-Oly
===

;; example of killing an individuals posts 
(gnus-kill "From" "Eric Naggum") ; XEmacs vs. Emacs, a personal retrospective

;; All Threads are Mortal
(gnus-kill "Subject" "Creationism")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "U.S. vs. the rest of the World")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "Health Care")

;; Once In A Lifetime Offer # 9 Billion
(gnus-kill "From" "concentric.net") ; overkill, but the only way to catch him
(gnus-kill "From" "richard@net.com")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "Cash")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "cash")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "CASH")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "$$")
(gnus-kill "Subject" "900")

;; Now Do It

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From: Igor Lasic <ilasic@busstop.casc.com>
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Subject: Re: Lisp nesting problem with OOBR?
Date: 06 Nov 1996 17:16:42 -0500
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jeikenbe@coe.uga.edu (John A. Eikenberry) writes:


> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have been trying to get the OOBR to work for an Obj-C project
> I am working on. I read through the info on how to create the environment
> and followed the directions. For my Library directory I put 
> '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-unknown-linux/2.7.2.1/include/objc/' and for
> my System directories I put the directories for my files and the 
> include directory for the developement package I am using (I am using
> the Swarm artificial life package, so this was ~/alife/swarm/include,
> and my files were in ~/alife/network-sim/).
> 
> The OOBR seems to build ok (no errors), but when I go to run it, it
> acts busy (listing various .h & .m files in the status area) but
> then stops with this error:
> 
Hello,

        well I am using oobr straight out of the box on Xemacs. I tried
(just like you) to compile it myself and did not succeed. But, if you
use the oobr provided with XEmacs 13 and 14 it will work right out of
the box. 

        If you want xoobr (a graphical tool) look in
/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.1X/lisp/oobr/tree-x and make it yourself.

Hope this helps,

Igor

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From: dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu (Bill Danielson)
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Subject: JAVA Environment
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I was wondering if anyone could help me -- either save the environment 
of a Java mode session or set it up with hooks.  I have the C++ working 
very well, but can't get Java to take hold.  Thanks.  

--
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Bill Danielson                      | "I am who I am 
dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu              |  I be what I be...."
http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~dani9131  |
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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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Scott Evans wrote:
> 
> I didn't want to get into this, but ...
> 
> >| Of all the hostilities on the net, I your articles seem to be the
> >| most hostile.
> > ...
> > you know, if you could try to calm down a little, you would see how
> > completely idiotic that statement of yours is.  it's so
> > mindbogglingly stupid I seriously wonder how anybody could manage
> > to write it.  but then again, I'm not an XEmacs user,
> 
> Wow.

I have some very startling, very radical -- some might say stolid --
insights into Erik Naggum's latest assertions. If you disagree with my
claim that we have come full-circle, then read no further. We don't
have to stand for this!  Because we continue to share a common, albeit
abused, atmospheric envelope, his yes-men are uninformed at best, the
downfall of society at worst. Nice try to destabilize society,
Naggum. His supporters can't defend their communications. The notion
that I by no means claim to know everything about the worst sorts of
contemptible self-deceiving paper-pushers I've ever seen is
pervasive. 

In the past, when I complained that he was attempting to impose
sex-crazed new restrictions on society just to satisfy some sort of
disingenuous drive for power, I was told that I was just being
unscrupulous. But nowadays, people realize that he seems to think that
he is right and everybody else is wrong. 

For the record, Naggum's advocates are swinging pretty hard on some
slender evidence. Like I said, there have been reports of rampant
drunkenness, performances by strippers, public nudity, and other
licentious and sick behavior at every gathering of Naggum's secret
agents. To say anything else would be a lie.

Naggum's adherents inculcate saturnine claims simply because they think
it's fun. Different people often see the same subject in different
lights. What Naggum doesn't realize is that his sense of humor runs the
gamut from rude and crude to destructive and amateurish. It is probably
unwise to say this loudly, but stuck-up amnesiacs, motivated by either
cannibalism or a desire to lead a whiney life, are eager to help him
defend plagiarism, neocolonialism, and notions of racial
superiority. And, more important, his manuscripts obfuscate any attempt
to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who
have access to the means of power. 

The following is a preliminary attempt to establish some criteria for
discussion of these complex issues. To begin with, his use of stupid
unbalanced ostentatious-types is pathetic. If Naggum gets his way, I
might very well go crazy. Many wackos have an intense identification
with ignominious self-centered misogynists.

So don't tell me that no group has done so much to eviscerate freedom
of speech and sexual privacy rights as his devotees just because a
large percentage of his thralls can be termed self-righteous. If he
were as bright as he thinks he is, he'd know that his only motivation
is an abhorrent attachment to wealth and power. I'm not the first to
mention that worthless slubberdegullions thrive on hatred rather than
love. Before I continue, let me state that if Naggum were to give
vulgar derelicts far more credibility than they deserve, it would be a
grave insult to everyone who devoted his or her life's work to helping
the less fortunate. 

There are a number of conceptual, logical, and methodological flaws in
his doctrines. As part of his efforts to gain a mainstream following,
he publishes the Journal of Yellow-bellied Absenteeism. Included
alongside articles discussing history, culture, art, religion, and
philosophy are endorsements of his plans to force me to get torn apart
by wild dogs. What I had wanted for this letter was to write an
analysis of Erik Naggum's diatribes. Not a exhortation or a shrill
denunciation, but an analysis. I hope I have succeeded at that.
(http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/
``The hateful :) means `just kidding' and is used by people who would
  dot their i's with little circles and should have their eyes dotted
  with Drano.''   -- Penn Jillette

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From: Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com>
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Subject: lpr.el and UNISON "prt" command
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I'm posting this here 
	A) Because I had a hell of a time figuring this out and wanted
	   to save somebody else the aggravation.
	B) As a sanity/code check. 
	C) Has this been done already?


I've found that I had to modify lpr.el to get it to work with the
UNISON "prt" commands we have here. The problem is that there are
hard-coded(!) defaults for jobname switches and title switches that
"prt" doesn't like. Here's what I did:

------------------------------------------------------------------
*** /ww6/sheckman/tmp/lpr.el	Wed Nov  6 18:01:26 1996
--- /ww6/sheckman/tmp/lpr.ela21238	Wed Nov  6 18:01:26 1996
***************
*** 51,56 ****
--- 51,60 ----
  If nil, we run `lpr-page-header-program' to make page headings
  and print the result.")
  
+ ;; Added these due to incompatibility with Unison "prt" command
+ (defvar lpr-headers-jobname-switch "-J")
+ (defvar lpr-headers-title-switch "-T")
+ 
  (defvar print-region-function nil
    "Function to call to print the region on a printer.
  See definition of `print-region-1' for calling conventions.")
***************
*** 127,145 ****
  	    (let ((new-coords (print-region-new-buffer start end)))
  	      (setq start (car new-coords) end (cdr new-coords)))
  	    (apply 'call-process-region start end lpr-page-header-program
! 				 t t nil
! 				 (nconc (and lpr-add-switches
! 					     (list "-h" title))
! 					lpr-page-header-switches))
  	    (setq start (point-min) end (point-max))))
        (apply (or print-region-function 'call-process-region)
  	     (nconc (list start end lpr-command
  			  nil nil nil)
  		    (nconc (and lpr-add-switches
! 				(list "-J" name))
  			   ;; These belong in pr if we are using that.
  			   (and lpr-add-switches lpr-headers-switches
! 				(list "-T" title))
  			   switches)))
        (if (markerp end)
  	  (set-marker end nil))
--- 131,149 ----
  	    (let ((new-coords (print-region-new-buffer start end)))
  	      (setq start (car new-coords) end (cdr new-coords)))
  	    (apply 'call-process-region start end lpr-page-header-program
! 		   t t nil
! 		   (nconc (and lpr-add-switches
! 			       (list lpr-headers-title-switch title))
! 			  lpr-page-header-switches))
  	    (setq start (point-min) end (point-max))))
        (apply (or print-region-function 'call-process-region)
  	     (nconc (list start end lpr-command
  			  nil nil nil)
  		    (nconc (and lpr-add-switches
! 				(list lpr-headers-jobname-switch name))
  			   ;; These belong in pr if we are using that.
  			   (and lpr-add-switches lpr-headers-switches
! 				(list lpr-headers-title-switch title))
  			   switches)))
        (if (markerp end)
  	  (set-marker end nil))

------------------------------------------------------------------

And in my .emacs file:

;;;; Printer stuff
(setq lpr-command "prt")
(setq lpr-headers-jobname-switch "-j")
(setq lpr-headers-title-switch "-h")
(setq ps-lpr-switches '("-lpost"))

This seems to work pretty well. If this hasn't been done before, you
are welcome to it. I wouldn't even mind it being a part of the regular
distribution :). 


HTH
Steve

(If it has been done before, please point me there!)

-- 
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sheckman@lucent.com /	1600 Osgood St.	     /	N. Andover, MA 01845
(508)960-4261	    /	20-3S7D              /  #include <std_disclaim>
				



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Hi there!!

I am back -- let's make this question a little easier.  I have the
variables within the Java Mode dealing with the indentation that I 
would like to change.  What is the function that I have to hook with 
the new variables?

Somebody out there must know something....  Thanks for any help
on this one.  Come on guys, someone out there has to know.
 

Bill Danielson (dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu) wrote:
: I was wondering if anyone could help me -- either save the environment 
: of a Java mode session or set it up with hooks.  I have the C++ working 
: very well, but can't get Java to take hold.  Thanks.  

--
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Bill Danielson                      | "I am who I am 
dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu              |  I be what I be...."
http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~dani9131  |

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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi> writes:


Jari> Actually the bug report concerned the fact that there were 2 'name
Jari> properties in the list after the code. This shouldn't be possible 
Jari> if the 'name is unchangeable.

Yes, this is a little bug.

Jari> Is there reason why it is unchangeable, In Emacs you can change the
Jari> 'name, which is now 'title in newer versions.

Any reason not to use frame-title-format?

Martin

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Bill Danielson (dani9131@cs.uidaho.edu) wrote:
> I am back -- let's make this question a little easier.  I have the
> variables within the Java Mode dealing with the indentation that I 
> would like to change.  What is the function that I have to hook with 
> the new variables?

Have you tried
(add-hook 'java-mode-hook
  (lambda ()
     ...whatever...
    ))

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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people have stopped banging their heads against?" -- Larry Wall

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From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
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>>> "smaddhi" == Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:

smaddhi> After spending much more time than I should be, this is how I
smaddhi> am able to read mail with Gnus in spite of not having root
smaddhi> permission or setgid permission to movemail. [ ... ]
smaddhi> Suggestions, comments, helpful hints welcome.

I have recently noticed that in the latest (.5x) rgnus distributions,
which are rather stable, there is now a "pop3.el" file, which contains
code to fetch mail from a POP3 server _directly from Emacs_, just as VM
does (in fact there is a comment in that file that it is derived form
the similar VM code).

Has anybody got any details on its use?

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stend+c.emacs.xemacs@grendel.texas.net writes:
>The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
>that has been posted as well.
>
>The XEmacs 19.14 configure program understands about Socks, but it's Socks
>v4, not Socks v5.  As I can get the Socks v5 beta to compile on Linux
>2.0.18, while the Socks 4.3 beta is blowing chuncks at me, I'd like to
>know if anyone has already taken the time to create patches for XEmacs.
>Alternatively, is there a How To Socks5ify document around anywhere, so
>that I can make the changes?

  Hi, just a bit of background before I launch into this.  I have done a
lot of work on XEmacs in the past few years, and when I came to work at
Aventail (we do commercial socks5 stuff) the first thing I needed to do be
able to read my mail, news, or web stuff [1] was socks5ify XEmacs (& Emacs
19).  We've had a few discussions about the best way to socksify XEmacs on
the beta list over the last few months as well.

  You have a few choices to socksify XEmacs:

1) Use 'runsocks' if your OS supports it (linux does if you are on an Elf
   system).
2) Apply the patches at the end of this mail message, to socksify just
   XEmacs.
3) Or the conclusion that I came to was that its just plain _SILLY_ to have
   this in the C code of XEmacs, where its not easily extensible, etc.  So
   I wrote a Socks5 client in Emacs-Lisp.  Was pretty easy actually.  This
   way enables you to do things like define certain hosts or ranges of
   hosts that should be contacted directly, and not socksified, and
   provides a very easy way of plugging in new authentication (or
   encryption) modules.  Right now it supports 'NULL' and
   'Username/Password', and as soon as I find time I'll implement the CHAP
   stuff that Marc VanHeyningen has proposed.  It also doesn't require that
   you keep your password in the environment as #1 & #2 do [2]

  I of course would recommend approach #3, because:

1 - Its lisp
2 - Its extensible
3 - It was fun to write

  The socks.el that I wrote will more than likely be in XEmacs 19.15, but
I'm not 100% sure when that will be released yet.  The betas seem pretty
solid though, so cross your fingers.

  If you want the latest rev of socks.el, let me know.  I haven't thrown it
out for ftp yet, but I use it every day to read mail, news, and browse the
web.  This message will be sent using it.

-Bill P.

[1] You _DO_ use Emacs-W3, right?
[2] AutoSOCKS for Unix from aventail will have a number of ways to get the
    password, not just the environment.  For more info check out
    http://www.aventail.com/

-- Patch for .../xemacs-19.14/src/config.h.in follows

*** config.h.in	1996/11/06 22:01:24	1.1
--- config.h.in	1996/11/06 22:02:24
***************
*** 667,677 ****
  #endif
  
  #if defined (HAVE_SOCKS) && !defined (DO_NOT_SOCKSIFY)
! #define accept Raccept
! #define bind Rbind
! #define connect Rconnect
! #define getsockname Rgetsockname
! #define listen Rlisten
  #endif /* HAVE_SOCKS && !DO_NOT_SOCKSIFY */
  
  #ifndef SHORTBITS
--- 667,677 ----
  #endif
  
  #if defined (HAVE_SOCKS) && !defined (DO_NOT_SOCKSIFY)
! #define accept SOCKSaccept
! #define bind SOCKSbind
! #define connect SOCKSconnect
! #define getsockname SOCKSgetsockname
! #define listen SOCKSlisten
  #endif /* HAVE_SOCKS && !DO_NOT_SOCKSIFY */
  
  #ifndef SHORTBITS

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peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu (Peter Berger) writes:

> Has anyone else had problems getting w3 3.0.28 to display images
> in xemacs 19.14?
> 
> Anyone suggest some good ways to debug this?

  Ummm, those aren't reimplemented in the new display code yet. :)  Well,
they are in my version, but they suffer from some problems when there are
images in tables.  3.0.29 has been delayed for quite a while because I've
been incredibly busy at work and at home (wife & son are both sick - fun
fun).  Perhaps by the end of friday.

-Bill P.
-- 
William Perry			wmperry@aventail.com
Unix Server Development Lead  & Emacs-W3 Author
Aventail, Corp.			http://www.aventail.com

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>>>>> "Saifi" == Saifi  <saifi@sscu.iisc.ernet.in> writes:

Saifi> On Wed, 6 Nov 1996, root wrote:

Robert> Hi,
Robert> 
Robert> What's the go with the Menu->Options->Save Options ??

Saifi> Hi everybody

Saifi> 	I have got exactly the same problem as Robert Nader. Can anyone 
Saifi> of you out there, help me as well ?

If you look on Dejanews, there was another patch posted around the
same time that might work better.  This is brute force.

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[Emailed and posted]
>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Harrelson <harrelson@reticular.com> writes:

Mike> Hi All,
Mike> Does anyone have a solution to the save-options problem?

 ...

Mike> When I do a "save" after changing a font, it DOES change the
Mike> .xemacs-options file.  But it never affects the next load.  I
Mike> believe that my .xemacs-options is being sourced properly.  (At least
Mike> all  my edit faces stuff is read properly).

Mike> Considering that my users are working on several different platforms,
Mike> it would be extremely nice to get this figured out before I upgrade
Mike> everyone else to 19.14.

After considerable digging around, I found that everything seems to be
working fine except that stuff like font type and font size are not
being saved and thus, not restored.

I have found an extremely ugly workaround.  That being said, the fix
requires a source installation.  Go into lisp/x11 and apply the
attached patch, then redump XEmacs by performing `make all-elc'.
XEmacs *must* be redumped for this to work.  This patch was developed
against XEmacs beta 19.15 so the offsets are a little off, but the
patch applies safely to distribution 19.14, and does appear to address
the problems everyone has been describing.

Hopefully, things will work better in 19.15.

This is not pretty, but you've been warned ...

*** x-menubar.el~	Sun Sep 15 11:33:41 1996
--- x-menubar.el	Thu Sep 26 01:16:10 1996
***************
*** 923,928 ****
--- 923,929 ----
  
  
  ;;; The Options menu
+ (defvar save-options-font-hack nil)
  
  (defconst options-menu-saved-forms
    ;; This is really quite a kludge, but it gets the job done.
***************
*** 1062,1068 ****
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! 			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
  
       ))
--- 1063,1069 ----
  					(face-property ',face ',property)
  					',(save-options-specifier-spec-list
  					   face property))))
! p			      built-in-face-specifiers)))
  		   (face-list))))
  
       ))
***************
*** 1167,1172 ****
--- 1168,1192 ----
  			     (prin1 var))))
  		    (if var (princ "\n")))
  		options-menu-saved-forms)
+ 	(when save-options-font-hack
+ 	  (princ "(require 'x-font-menu)\n")
+ 	  (princ "(setq save-options-font-hack '(")
+ 	  (princ (car save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (cadr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (caddr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (format "%d" (cadddr save-options-font-hack)))
+ 	  (princ "))\n(")
+ 	  (princ (car save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (cadr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (caddr save-options-font-hack))
+ 	  (princ " ")
+ 	  (prin1 (format "%d" (cadddr save-options-font-hack)))
+ 	  (princ ")\n"))
  	))
      (set-marker options-output-marker nil)
      (save-excursion

*** x-font-menu.el~	Sun Sep  8 16:50:33 1996
--- x-font-menu.el	Thu Sep 26 01:13:40 1996
***************
*** 452,457 ****
--- 452,461 ----
  			       (or weight from-weight)
  			       (or size   from-size)
  			       default-name))
+     (setq save-options-font-hack (list 'font-menu-set-font
+ 				       (or family from-family)
+ 				       (or weight from-weight)
+ 				       (or size from-size)))
      (while faces
        (cond ((face-font-instance (car faces))
  	     (message "Changing font of `%s'..." (car faces))




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>>>>> "J" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:


    J> I have some very startling, very radical -- some might say
    J> stolid -- insights into Erik Naggum's latest assertions. If you
    J> disagree with my claim that we have come full-circle, then read
    J> no further. ...

Wow that's cool! I will send one to my friends.

So far I have agreed almost entirely with everything I've read from
Erik Naggum. He's just a bit hostile sounding. I think it should be
pretty easy to just let that slide and respond to what he says instead.

One of Erik's goons,

me


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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul J Rider <prider@isdn-22.trytel.com> writes:

Paul> the message is as follows:
Paul> /usr/local/bin/i486-unknown-linuxelf/xemacs: can't resolve
Paul> symbol'_h_errno'

The FAQ that won't die :-(.

	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_8

Subject: Q2.0.8 can't resolve symbol _h_errno

   You are using the Linux/ELF distribution of XEmacs 19.13, and your ELF
   libraries are out of date. You have the following options:

    1. Upgrade your libc to at least 5.2.16 (better is 5.2.18 or 5.3.12).
    2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
       with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
       it.
    3. Rebuild XEmacs yourself -- any working ELF version of libc should
       be O.K.
               
------------------------------

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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto

Jari>     (condition-case nil
Jari>       (delete-file "~/WEREW")
Jari>       (error nil))

The canonical way to `rm -f' within elisp is:

(condition-case () (delete-file "foo") (file-error nil))

Martin

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>>>>> "Susan" == Susan Osofsky <susano@adobe.com> writes:

Susan> I switched to xemacs 19.14 and now when I run gdb in xemacs,
Susan> ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work.  I get no response from gdb.  I.e.,
Susan> gdb doesn't break.  The ctrl-c ctrl-c shortcut is indeed set to
Susan> gdb-control-c-subjob.  If I try M-x gdb-control-c-subjob,
Susan> nothing happens either.

Susan> Any suggestions?

I was able to duplicate the problem you describe on Linux 2, and it is
due to sending a naked Control C character at the gdb process when no
interrupt character is defined on the pseudo tty.  In other words,
gdb-control-c-subjob is totally broken.

Try adding this to your environment and see if works a little better:

(require 'gdb)
(fset 'gdb-control-c-subjob 'comint-interrupt-subjob)

-- 
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What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> once upon a time, ...

Erik, 

This article was a much more reasoned explanation of what you see as the
problems with XEmacs and why you prefer Emacs.  I applaud the article, but
have to ask why you didn't also say this 3 or 4 articles ago!  Your initial
articles were bound to produce a flame war because they provided so little
detail as to why you were being so hard on XEmacs and its developers.  There
may be people who disagree with your points (as is their right), but now they
cannot say that you haven't really looked at both sides.  You must remember
that not everyone has had access to all the people concerned in this religious
war.

Considering the number of times this has come up, your article should probably
become the response to this FAQ!

> it must have been a little over two years ago, I tried to find out why the
> hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to the Emacs crowd.

Having watched these newsgroups for at least that long, I remember your
discussions to some degree.  At the time, I remember seeing a long message
from Ben that said pretty much the reverse of what you said in this article
with apparently equal consideration for both sides of the issue.  Also, at
that time, RMS seemed to be saying little if anything on Usenet, so, for
someone like me who is not actively doing Emacs development or not actively
plugged into the people doing that development, a lot of the argument was
hidden and, so, easily misunderstood.

> well, I didn't like what I saw.

In the end, from the point of view of someone outside the discussion, it
didn't seem like anything had been solved, but each side may have exhibitted a
bit more respect (if grudingly) for the other side.

> the discussions (which I read in full when I was looking for an explanation
> for the hostilities), showed me two sides who were equally stubborn and at
> times childish, but I found that RMS was able to spell out _why_ he thought
> the way he did, and the renegades were not.  I found an idea about a grand
> design (larger than Emacs alone) at work in RMS' messages where I found
> discontent, rebelliousness and impatience in the renegades'.

Is this "grand design" in an FAQ somewhere?

> to me, free software is...

Reasonable, but you have to realize that this is not everyone's view.  Note, I
am not trying to get into a "my view is better than your view" argument (which
is why I'm not telling my view).  I'm merely saying that you have the right to
your view, but don't be disappointed if others have a different view.

> (before someone sticks his head up telling me I do the same: I answered a
> question on a newsgroup, I didn't set up a high-profile web site with
> propaganda.  I work on Emacs, I don't run a marketing campaign.  I wish
> XEmacs people would work on XEmacs and not run marketing campaigns, too.)

Well, you may call it marketing/hype.  However, I for one would like to
understand the directions that (X)Emacs is taking and any method of providing
that information is okay with me.  The advantage of a web-page over newsgroup
discussions is that this conversation doesn't have to be repeated every 3 or 4
months.

> thank you for listening, whoever you are.  I fully expect the folks who
> could have had some use for this message to have seen red and become all
> enraged just by seeing the headers fly by.  if you think it's worth it,
> alert some of them to this message.  thanks.

You could have prevented the "seen red" by putting this out a little earlier.
However, it was a good article and I'm glad that it finally came out so now I
can better appreciate other articles on this topic that you've put out (and
probably will put out again).

-- 
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I am getting really sick and tired of this type of message.  What can be done?
 I always write the sender and the postmaster at their host, but then some
other idiot comes along and does something even stupider.

Only moderately more annoying that those dolts that throwaway the instructions
they get when they join the list and keep sending "unsubscribe" commands to the
whole list!

On Nov 4,  6:14pm, giacomo boffi wrote:
> Subject: @@@>> HOT COLLEGE BI-MALES!!!  >PRIVATE<  1-900-825-6000 xt 9794
> bpm@terraweb.com writes:
>  > Can this list be moderated?  What can be done?
>  >
>
> Brian, this is mostly a "help desk" group (my 20 lire) --- as opposed
> to a "discussion" group
>
> while moderation of a "discussion" group is a last resort, for "help
> desk" groups moderation is not a solution (another 20 lire :)
>
> we have to take the occasional random posting as a mild sign of the
> Evil, and suffer in silence
>
> if someone has _pointers_ regarding what to with random postings,
> i.e., tracing the real posting host, what persons are liable to
> intervene against the posters, etc, please let us know
>
> ciao
>-- End of excerpt from giacomo boffi



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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> the best solution _is_ probably to regard XEmacs as non-existent.  but that
> is wrong, too, according to complaints from the XEmacs folks, who are
> constantly complaining that Emacs web sites and documents don't mention
> XEmacs.  why should they?

Why should there be Emacs web sites and documents that mention XEmacs?  To
help answer the simple question that all new users ask -- "which version of
Emacs should I use?"

> the XEmacs folks were childish rebels on a mission of destruction and
> competition, and so got disinherited.  is that really surprising to them?
> and why do they want to be listed on the web page for a "braindamaged"
> competitor, anyway?  the fact is, XEmacs is _inferior_ to Emacs in all
> respects that count.  so to hell with it.

Don't think that way...

There seems to be a lot of resentment on both sides of the issue.  If you
carry that resentment forward in this way, then people find it hard to believe
a statement like "XEmacs is _inferior_ to Emacs in all respects that count"
(or the reverse statement for that matter).

-- 
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davidm@prism.kla.com			San Jose, CA 95161-9055
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Steven L. Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
>     2. Patch the XEmacs binary by replacing all occurrences of _h_errno^@
>        with h_errno^@^@. If you don't understand how to do this, don't do
>        it.

Why?  I mean, even the person who doesn't understand how to do this
(and replacing the binary is not a trivial task) can paste a
command-line thingie like this:

perl -pi -e 's/_h_errno\0/h_errno\0\0/' /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14

Why not put that as the solution number two?

BTW, you *must* patch /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.14, and not xemacs
because xemacs is a link to xemacs-19.14; Perl -i options is
disastrous to links.

Anyway, my point is that the above line works perfectly, even for
people who don't have a clue...

-- 
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Every time I choose the save options choice from the options menu it
opens up my .emacs and writes to it.  However every time I start xemacs
my saved options ,well, aren't saved.  It is getting kind of lame having
to turn them on every time I want to write code.  ANy suggestions?

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Does anyone know if there has been any new development to the
pretty print package?  I am really looking for 2-up printing, 
since the 1-up printing uses up so much paper.
Any pointers to new code would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,

-- Kevin

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Using XEmacs 19.14, I get the error:

    make-indirect-buffer not yet implemented, oops

Will it be implemented in 19.15?

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> 
> * Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
> | Neither do I.  But it seems a lot.
> 
> please try to be objective, if you can.  out of _many_ thousand news
> articles a year, less than a dozen even _mentions_ XEmacs.  I also spend
> more than four thousand hours a year working with Emacs (it's the whole of

you spend 12 hours/day, 365 days a year in front of a terminal?
perhaps there's a bigger problem here...

-pjf

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From: Jason McLaren <mclaren@cs.uregina.ca>
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alfordjj@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu (Jared J. Alford) writes:
> I'm trying to build xemacs (with gcc) on a DECstation 5000/240 running
> ultrix4.2, and everything works fine until it tries to link.  At
>that point, I get this error:
[error postponed to the end of the message]

This error sounds kind of like an error a bunch of us were discussing
here a few weeks ago. Try the following:

edit emacs.c line 1624 to "extern char my_data[30];"

Also, I use a -G value of 0. Try running configure with
        --cflags="-G 0 -g -o", --rel-alloc=no

You might also want to put the following in src/s/ultrix-4.2.h:

#undef HAVE_MMAP
#undef REL_ALLOC           # yes, I think this is redundant
#define SYSTEM_MALLOC 1

I didn't edit emacs.c, but with the rest of these changes, I got it to
compile. [BTW - thanks everyone for your help!]

Hope this helps. There's also a web page somewhere with patches to get
xemacs 19.13 to compile with ultrix (pointer, anyone?).

Jason

[description of error follows]
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> gp relocation out-of-range for small data or bss by,
>               0 in the positive direction,
>          220336 in the negative direction.
> ge in .text section for relocation entry 519 for symbol: my_edata
> emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
> emacs.o: gp relocation out-of-range in .text section for relocation
> entry 527 for symbol: my_edata
> emacs.o: above gp relocation entry for non .sdata or .sbss symbol
> Best -G num value to compile all -count'ed objects creating temacs
> with is 12 
> Best -G num value calculation reliable only if all
> -count'ed objects were compiled with -G num greater or
> equal to maximum size of a literal pool item (8).
> 
> I've tried to compile with different -G numbers, but I just get the
> same error with a different recommendation for the -G number.  Can
anyone offer me some advice on this?  Thanks.
> Jared Alford
> alfordjj@purdue.edu

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See ftp://ftp.eda.com.au/pub/emacs/vhdl-mode.tar.gz

Rod Whitby <rwhitby@asc.corp.mot.com>
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Rajappa Iyer <rsi@lucent.com> writes:

> bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:
> 
> > For me, XEmacs is usually fast enough for what I do, which includes
> > programming in various languages, reading mail and news, web browsing,
> > etc.
[...]

> In any case, I have stopped using XEmacs altogether because I find it
> unusably slow on my main platform: SunOS 4.1.3. And I'm not the only
> one who has this problem...

Sorry I have to disagree.

I don't have any problem on SunOS 4.1.3 (on a Sparc2 --really-- with
24Mb of RAM, from an x-terminal via xdm). However I must admit that I
had to turn off func-menu's auto-rescan and display-in-modeline. But
that's all. I'm spending my time on programming and typing text:
XEmacs (+cc-mode+auctex) is simply the best environment I've ever
met. I've very happy that I can *also* read mail and news easily with
it.

I've seen several people complaining about XEmacs' startup time: this
is simply irrelevant for me, since the instance of XEmacs from which I
post was started 17 days ago.

I tried several times to get into Emacs, but found it really too hard
to use. Maybe now (after one or two years spent on XEmacs) I could be
able to do something with it. Not sure. I won't try: I simply have no
time to spend on the tools, I just need to use them.

My 0.02 euros.

---Alain.


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karlon@bnr.ca (Karlon West) wrote:

>Peter J. Schenk (rdielec@chelsea.ios.com) wrote:
>> Hello Everyone,

>> I have a paper due for my computer class in a couple of weeks and I am
>> going to write it on the "SECRETS OF THE INTERNET".

>> I have only been in the Internet for about one month now and I am
>> learning all the time.

>> My question to you is:

>> Can you give me any useful information that pertains to the following
>> subject listed above that might be about to help me out?

>My advice: Go to http://www.jumbo.com/ and try to find a grammar checker
>before writing a sentence like the one above on your class paper.

>> It can be maybe some experience that you have had on your journy into
>> cyberspace.  Or something that you have discovered on the Internet that
>> might be a secret or useful information that might help me with my
>> paper.

>> Thanks for your help,

>> PS please e-mail me a rdielec@chelsea.ios.com with your suggestions.

There is nothing secrative about the Internet.  That's the whole
point.  If it is out there, you can find it, whatever it happens to
be.



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In <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

>Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
>> Attention all regexp-erts:
>> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
>>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
>> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.

>`C-q C-j'

>-- 
>Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
>--------------------------------+--------------------------------
>I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do this for
other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W" on my screen.
I however I do this for C-q C-j then I actually get a physical new
line.  This plays havoc when entering a regexp with this in the middle.
I want a "^J".  do other people get a "^J". 

(btw.  The only other key with the same behaviour is ^I which gives me
a tab of course)

Help,
Jon

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr>
> | Erik just tend to have a finger on the "flame" key ready for any
> | thread where comparison between Emacs and XEmacs is involved.
> 
> XEmacs should be able to sell on its own merits, without constantly
> portraying Emacs as inferior in order to get an edge on it,

For many people the choice is not "should I try using XEmacs instead
of cat" but "should I try using XEmacs instead of Emacs".  To
enumerate basic differences is thus understandable.

> and without
> ridiculing that from which they came, that without which they would not
> exist.  you will find no hostilities from the official Emacs sites, towards
> XEmacs, nothing in the FAQ, there is no match for _any_ of the hostilities
> from the _official_ XEmacs sources and FAQs and folks towards Emacs.  this
> is patently unfair.  I object to that unfairness.

Would you care to quote some bad verbage from the current FAQ and NEWS
files?  I am unable to see anything akin to that which you describe in
the current versions.

I agree that there *were* times when the FAQ was pretty outspoken
(some XEmacs maintainer must have been real mad at RMS, for whatever
reason, at that time), but this has been cleaned up.

The most I see of hostility and hate messages towards the "other camp"
nowadays is from you.

BTW, in case you missed it: XEmacs is freeware under the GPL (being a
derived work from GNU Emacs, it never could be anything different) and
freely available in source, so I find your rants about the "commercial
traits" of XEmacs and its marketing and whatever slightly obtuse.

-- 
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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In article <3056268466467465@naggum.no> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:


> 
> once upon a time, it must have been a little over two years ago, I tried to
> find out why the hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to the Emacs crowd.
>  ...
> 
> thank you for listening, whoever you are.  I fully expect the folks who
> could have had some use for this message to have seen red and become all
> enraged just by seeing the headers fly by.  if you think it's worth it,
> alert some of them to this message.  thanks.
> 

I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs, not knowing
why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a reason for it's existence with
GNU Emacs being there for us.  It might serve as a healthy competition for
GNU Emacs (and vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
says.

In fact, in general, why is there so much hostility between computer tool
user groups?  Is this human nature?  Is there too much sting to the emailed
word?  Being this close you would think that we would stick together.  Would
someone write a book and explain this to poor us.

-- 

William P. Vrotney - vrotney@netcom.com

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Hi there,



I have a question concerning XEmacs 19.14. Is there any

variable/function besides 'pop-up-frames' that controls if XEmacs

creates a new frame? It seems like there must be one, since 'C-x C-b'

creates a new frame (and compile, gdb, ...) every time even with

'pop-up-frames' set to nil, which is very annoying. Unfortunately I

didn't find anything in the Info or FAQ...



TIA for any hints,

Thomas

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Hello,

I just started using the tags features of (x)emacs, it works great.
Only one problem ... when i press M-. and go to the the corresponding
function definition, how do i get back ?  I want to be able to go back
to the position where i pressed M-. after i have inspected the function
definition. Is this possible ? Now i don't have to search my file anymore
for the position where i defined the function but instead i have to search
the other way around :(

Greetings,
Gunther,

E-mail: vinckeg@sebb.bel.alcatel.be










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From: schauer@zeus.gmd.de (Holger Schauer)
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>>"MB" == Martin Boyer schrieb am Wed, 6 Nov 1996 12:27:13 GMT:
In article <x74tj3wgri.fsf@amadeus.ireq.ca> Martin Boyer <mboyer@robot.ireq.ca> writes:


 MB> Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net> writes:
 >> If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is
 >> superior to xemacs.

 MB> 1. Emacs is faster, specially on character-based terminals.
 MB> 2. Emacs starts much faster.  3. Emacs is smaller, but that isn't
 MB> noticeable for most users.  4. I don't remember in which *year*
 MB> Emacs last crashed on me.  XEmacs has crashed on me or a user
 MB> here every week for versions 19.12, 19.13, and 19.14 (the latest
 MB> version).  I have been told this is due to garbage-collection
 MB> bugs, which are very difficult to debug.  5. The Emacs "core" is

This is very interesting. In fact I'm using XEmacs (19.11 through to
19.14) since almost three years now on Sun, Solaris and Linux. I
encountered some problems some times but mostly they had to do with
packages which had some bugs in them. I *never* had any real crash
with XEmacs up to this week when the new version of Ilisp 5.8 came out
which crashed XEmacs 19.14 twice (which was the reason to reinstall 5.7
again).

So, I am just curious, when happend the crashes, what did the users do
to kill it ? (Note, I'm just a private not somebody devoted to
developing XEmacs.) Perhaps this has to do with the type of machines
XEmacs runs on ?

Holger
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(^:=  A donkey came to my office. It had a theory about people anaphora...

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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?

Look everybody, can we please stop this thread? Two things must be
abundantly clear by now.

1. Erik Naggum is an unhappy, tormented soul who finds it impossible to
write articles in an objective and courteous manner. It is therefore very
difficult
to take him seriously. 

He clearly needs help, so I suggest the following therapy program.  Unless
he writes in a constructive & polite fashion we should simply ignore all
further articles from him.

2. The war between XEmacs and GNU Emacs is never going to be resolved, and in
our heart of hearts we all know that. Therefore these endless flames are just
a waste of bandwidth.

-- David


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>>>>> oly@russ.harvard.edu (Oliver Oberdorf):

> I couldn't send tou your email address for some
> reason...

> (X)Emacs kill files use LISP, which is a very nice thing

Emacs kill files is also old-fashioned.  I suggest you read up on
score files, which is a far more flexible mechanism
	C-h i m gnus RET m scoring RET


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From: Basile STARYNKEVITCH <Basile.Starynkevitch@cea.fr>
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Date: 07 Nov 1996 13:20:30 +0100
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Hello All,

(I've read quicky the FAQ and didn't found the answer, but I might missed it).

What is the Xemacs-19.14 way of making a running xemacs edit a file,
eg from a shell script. GNU emacs had emacsclient, and I'm missing it.


N.B. Any opinions expressed here are solely mine, and not of my organization.
N.B. Les opinions exprimees ici me sont personnelles et n engagent pas le CEA.

Please cite a *pertinent part* of my mail in all answers
Veuillez citer une *partie pertinente* de mon courrier dans vos reponses



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From: Bruce Anderson <andersb@morgan.com>
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Subject: interactive changed 19.13 --> 19.14
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I have some lisp that works in 19.13 and produces an error in 19.14.
The problem revolves around use of (interactive "i").
Anyone know how I can interactively select a string from an alist via
interactive?

(defvar ms-project "home"
  "*Current project name used for CVS")
(defvar ms-project-alist 
      '(
	("home" . ("/ms/user/a/andersb/cvsmaster" 
		   "/ms/user/a/andersb/autoQuotes/elisp"
		   "/ms/user/a/andersb/autoQuotes/elisp/"))
	("gdp" . ("/ms/dev/globalDocs/gdp/cvsmaster"
		  "/ms/dev/globalDocs/gdp/emacs/lisp"
		  "/ms/dev/globalDocs/gdp/emacs/insertions"))
	)
      )

(defun set-project (proj)
  (interactive "i")
  ;; remove current project's load-path element
  (setq load-path (delete (nth 2 (assoc ms-project ms-project-alist))
			  load-path))
 (if (interactive-p)
     (setq ms-project (completing-read
		       "Project: "
		       ms-project-alist
		       nil t ms-project))
   (setq ms-project proj)
   )
 )

(provide 'set-project)

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Is there a printed version of the xemacs lisp reference version 19.14 
manual that I can purchase?

I've looked in the FAQ and info browser with no luck.

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>>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

    Hrvoje> Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de)
    Hrvoje> wrote:
    >> I'm trying hard to get xemacs to do some batchjobs for me.  It
    >> should load a lisp library defining the command "ht-expand", a
    >> file and then process the function ht-expand on this file. I
    >> tried the following: xemacs -batch index.pht -l htexpand.el -f
    >> ht-expand

    Hrvoje> Use xemacs -batch -eval '(find-file "index.pht")' -l
    Hrvoje> htexpand.el -f ht-expand

This doesn't work either; XEmacs responds with error: 

	End of stream: "internal input stream"


Any help?

	Jens

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Lance M-x gnuserv dans un xemacs existant et lance emacsclient

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From: Abdelrazak Younes <younes@monstre.eis.enac.dgac.fr>
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Hi,

I've just installed xemacs and i found it great for developping in C++,
but i have a problem for reading mail.

I can send mail without any problem but when I try "Read Mail (VM)" or
"Read Mail (MH)" command, it says:


movemail: Permission denied for lock file--see source file lib-src/movemail.c

movemail exited with code 1


Could someone help me, please ??


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Subject: Re: etags problem ...



Redefine tags search by setting a bookmark before searching your tag :

(defun my-tags-search (regexp)
  (interactive "sTags search (regexp): ")
  (bookmark-set "tags-search here")
  (tags-search regexp)
  )

(defun my-tags-back ()
  (interactive)
  (bookmark-jump "tags-search here")
  (bookmark-remove "tags-search here"))

Once you want to go back, type my-tags-back. This will jump you cursor
on the first tags-search.

Bind the functions on your favorite key.

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>>>>> "Abdelrazak" == Abdelrazak Younes <younes@monstre.eis.enac.dgac.fr> writes:

    Abdelrazak> movemail: Permission denied for lock file--see source
    Abdelrazak> file lib-src/movemail.c

    Abdelrazak> movemail exited with code 1
    Abdelrazak> Could someone help me, please ??

movemail does not have the right permissions to access the mail
files. Make it setgid, and it will work. That is:

chgrp mail movemail
chmod g+s movemail

You'll need to be root for this.

Richard.


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From: skelley@primenet.com (Sean V. Kelley)
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Subject: HELP!  How to enter 8bit text?  (ISO-8859-1) XEmacs
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Can anyone tell me how to enter 8 bit text
in XEmacs?   And why doesn't it work the
same way as Emacs?  With Emacs all I have
to enter is M-x iso-accents-mode and that's it!

Sean 

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Whereas XEmacs developers advocate data abstraction
> (like specialized types for keymaps etc.), GNU Emacs developers are
> against it.

I think the term `information hiding' is more accurate than `data
abstraction'.  GNU Emacs supports many of the same abstract
interfaces, but without any attempt to hide the underlying
implementation.

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From: pdeshpan@franc.dc.fore.com (Prasad Deshpande)
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In article <55s9rm$o3h@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> vinckeg@btmpb5.com (Gunther Vincke we221 8252 ) writes:

> From: vinckeg@btmpb5.com (Gunther Vincke we221 8252 )
> Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
> Date: 7 Nov 1996 09:24:06 GMT
> Organization: Alcatel/Bell
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I just started using the tags features of (x)emacs, it works great.
> Only one problem ... when i press M-. and go to the the corresponding
> function definition, how do i get back ?  I want to be able to go back
> to the position where i pressed M-. after i have inspected the function
> definition. Is this possible ? Now i don't have to search my file anymore
> for the position where i defined the function but instead i have to search
> the other way around :(
> 
> Greetings,
> Gunther,
> 
> E-mail: vinckeg@sebb.bel.alcatel.be


M-* (pop-tag-mark) will take you back to the place from where you did M-.
You can do successive M-. and build a stack which can be popped with M-*

You can also get this through Tools/Tags menu (Xemacs 19.14)

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From: nilakant@cs.nyu.edu (Niranjan Nilakantan)
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When I start the oo-browser, and ask it to build an environment in a 
directory with some Java files, and then load the environment, nothing 
happens i.e. no classes are displayed.  The same thing happened for a
directory of C++ files.  What could the problem be?

Niranjan.


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Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca> writes:

> C-x b  brings up the next item in the buffer list in the minibuffer - you can 
> then use up and down arrows to scroll through the available buffers.  

When I try this in 19.14, I get
"no {preceding|following} item in buffer-history"

buffer-history is nil.

It sounds like a nice feature - what do I have to do to turn it on?

Bill.

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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

> I have some very startling, very radical -- some might say stolid --

This sounds sort of familiar...

> insights into Erik Naggum's latest assertions. If you disagree with my
> claim that we have come full-circle, then read no further. We don't
> have to stand for this!  Because we continue to share a common, albeit
> abused, atmospheric envelope, his yes-men are uninformed at best, the
> downfall of society at worst. Nice try to destabilize society,
> Naggum. His supporters can't defend their communications. The notion
> that I by no means claim to know everything about the worst sorts of
> contemptible self-deceiving paper-pushers I've ever seen is
> pervasive. 

Wait a minute.  I know I've read things like this before (no, no, not just
from Naggum)...

[snip]

> (http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)

Ah-ha!  I knew it!

Excellent.

--
John A. Turner         |"Music is the cup which holds the wine of silence;
Los Alamos Natl. Lab.  |  sound is that cup, but empty;
e-mail: turner@lanl.gov|    noise is that cup, but broken."
                       |                        - Robert Fripp

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William Paul Vrotney (vrotney@netcom.com) wrote:
> I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs, not knowing
> why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a reason for it's existence with
> GNU Emacs being there for us.  It might serve as a healthy competition for
> GNU Emacs (and vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
> says.

"XEmacs crows" is not as hostile to GNU Emacs as Erik would like them
to be.  Of course, you can believe Erik's word, or you can try reading
the thread and finding who uses the word like "liar", "idiot",
"insane", etc.  Feel free to read the XEmacs FAQ (it's posted on
comp.emacs.xemacs) and find all those foul wordings.

Or, you can trust Erik.  It's up to you.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

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Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
> In <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> >Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
> >> Attention all regexp-erts:
> >> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
> >>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
> >> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.
> >`C-q C-j'
> I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do this for
> other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W" on my screen.
> I however I do this for C-q C-j then I actually get a physical new
> line.  This plays havoc when entering a regexp with this in the middle.
> I want a "^J".  do other people get a "^J".

So what if you get a newline?  You wanted a newline, didn't you?  So
you have it.  It doesn't prevent you from editing the buffer, and
definitely makes no "havoc".

-- 
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              handles the billions of tons of garbage generated by just
              about everybody these days.
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From: Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk>
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Subject: Common lisp libraries between emacs and xemacs
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I am attempting to set-up and maintain both GNU Emacs and XEmacs on
the same system, and I am sure there must be a lot of common lisp
code, as some of the packages must be synced.  Would anyone care to
share with me a strategy for combining bith the lisp directories (by
soft links or otherwise) to ensure that only identical files are
eliminated, and that it is easy to maintain after upgrades etc.

Ideally I suppose I want to have both binaries search both
directories, but in opposite orders.  This would maintain availability
of all code, and ensure that the most appropriate version is run for
each of the emacsen, but I am not really sure how to do this (ISTR
that there are elisp files setting up the paths...) and the
elimination of duplication looks like a nightmare.

Can anyone help me?


Pete

-- 
Peter Riocreux, Electronic Eng, Univ. of Sheffield,  | Opinions are mine
Mappin St, SHEFFIELD S1 3JD, GB. Tel +44 114 2825188 |  - any similarity
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Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
> >>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>     Hrvoje> Jens Lautenbacher (jens@lemming0.lem.uni-karlsruhe.de)
>     Hrvoje> wrote:
>     >> I'm trying hard to get xemacs to do some batchjobs for me.  It
>     >> should load a lisp library defining the command "ht-expand", a
>     >> file and then process the function ht-expand on this file. I
>     >> tried the following: xemacs -batch index.pht -l htexpand.el -f
>     >> ht-expand
>     Hrvoje> Use xemacs -batch -eval '(find-file "index.pht")' -l
>     Hrvoje> htexpand.el -f ht-expand
> This doesn't work either; XEmacs responds with error: 
> 	End of stream: "internal input stream"

Does the same thing work when XEmacs is interactive, e.g.:
`C-x C-f index.pht RET M-: (load "htexpand.el") RET M-x ht-expand RET'

If that works, I don't know...

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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William Paul Vrotney (vrotney@netcom.com) wrote:
> I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs, not knowing
> why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a reason for it's existence with
> GNU Emacs being there for us.  It might serve as a healthy competition for
> GNU Emacs (and vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
> says.

"XEmacs crowd" is not as hostile to GNU Emacs as Erik would like them
to be.  Of course, you can believe Erik's word, or you can try reading
the thread and finding who uses the word like "liar", "idiot",
"insane", etc.  Feel free to read the XEmacs FAQ (it's posted on
comp.emacs.xemacs) and find all those foul wordings.

Or, you can trust Erik.  It's up to you.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
I'm a Lisp variable -- bind me!

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Peter Riocreux (p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk) wrote:
> Ideally I suppose I want to have both binaries search both
> directories, but in opposite orders.  This would maintain availability

This is not doable at the moment because both Emacsen run
byte-compiled code (for speed gain), and it can hardly be shared
within them, since it is not common to both.

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       the Emacs religion.

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From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
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>>>>> "William" == William Paul Vrotney <vrotney@netcom.com> writes:

William> In article <3056268466467465@naggum.no> Erik Naggum
William> <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

>>  once upon a time, it must have been a little over two years ago, I
>> tried to find out why the hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to
>> the Emacs crowd.  ...
>> 
>> thank you for listening, whoever you are.  I fully expect the folks
>> who could have had some use for this message to have seen red and
>> become all enraged just by seeing the headers fly by.  if you think
>> it's worth it, alert some of them to this message.  thanks.

William> I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs,
William> not knowing why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a

So, based on one post, you are going to never even bother to look at
XEmacs. Wow. You can reach conclusions on very little information it
would seem. ;)

William> reason for it's existence with GNU Emacs being there for us.
William> It might serve as a healthy competition for GNU Emacs (and
William> vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
William> says.

I'm a little confused by this whole thread. I have only been really
following the xemacs newsgroup for the last year or so, but I have yet
to see any of this "XEmacs Crowd" venom that so many of you are
talking about. In fact, the most abusive postings I have seen on the
issue were the ones by Erik. ;( To me, and perhaps to many others,
Erik seemed to just come out of the starting gate with a
flamethrower. Perhaps this is justified by things he has heard from
the "XEmacs crowd" in the past, but it seems unfounded to me.
Can anyone give me concrete examples of this hatred from the "XEmacs
crowd"? Perhaps it was so in the past, but I don't see it
today. Perhaps I have just had blinders on...articles/dejanews
pointers/etc appreciated. 

When someone asks which Emacs to use in the xemacs group, the replies
that I have seen have always been helpfull and informative. XEmacs
people have no problem pointing out that XEmacs is slower than Emacs,
and that in many cases Emacs is the one to use. Also, I think having
XEmacs around has improved Emacs. Each seeing features in the other
that they should implement...

I know the XEmacs FAQ used to have some poorly written and hostle
things in it, but for the most part those seem to have been re-written
and/or removed. Can anyone in the Emacs crowd find any other parts of
the XEmacs FAQ that angers them??

William> In fact, in general, why is there so much hostility between
William> computer tool user groups?  Is this human nature?  Is there
William> too much sting to the emailed word?  Being this close you
William> would think that we would stick together.  Would someone
William> write a book and explain this to poor us.

I think it's partly due to the fact that people want the tool they are
working on to be the best. It's really hard (and against human nature)
to spend a lot of time and effort making your tool better and then say
"Their tool is still much better than mine". If you put down the other
tool, it makes you work seem more fullfilling. Of course, we can
overcome this...just takes effort. 

William> William P. Vrotney - vrotney@netcom.com

kevin
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>>>>> "WPV" == William Paul Vrotney <vrotney@netcom.com> writes:

    WPV> In fact, in general, why is there so much hostility between
    WPV> computer tool user groups?  Is this human nature?

Yes, it is.  It's because the environments we use on a daily basis is
our religion, and humans will fight to the death to defend their
religions.

Why does vi still exist when we have Emacs?  Why does Emacs still
exist when there are perfectly good commercial IDE's that will do it
all for you?  For that matter, why does Unix still exist since we now
have Windows?  Or FORTRAN now that we have Java?   etc., etc...

-Barry

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Subject: Re: Common lisp libraries between emacs and xemacs
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>>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Peter Riocreux (p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk) wrote:

>> Ideally I suppose I want to have both binaries search both directories, but
>> in opposite orders.  This would maintain availability

> This is not doable at the moment because both Emacsen run byte-compiled code
> (for speed gain), and it can hardly be shared within them, since it is not
> common to both.

I thought the byte-compiled code was sharable in at least one direction (I
think Emacs to XEmacs, but I'm not sure)...?

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>>>>> "Jamie" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

[...pre-generated complaint letter...]

> (http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)

Was this really useful...?

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>>>>> "EN" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

    EN> XEmacs will forever be mired in the manure from which it rose,
    EN> people who went away in anger and did their own thing because
    EN> they were unable to explain themselves well enough to have
    EN> others take part in their vision.

I don't subscribe to this cynical view.  I see that intelligent,
experienced software developers can have legitimate differences in
design goals, technology adoption, and political aims, which lead to
very different end results.  The fact that the early Lucid design team
had their own requirements that didn't mesh with RMS's (and vice
versa) is how the split occurred in the first place.  That a
significant number of users support both points of view is why the
split continues, and why we will likely never see a merge.
Fortunately, the GPL permits this to occur, and I'm one of those who
thinks the cross fertilization has been a good thing.

Respect works both ways.  You cannot expect to get it if you don't
give it.

-Barry

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Subject: Re: oo-browser help?
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>>>>> "Niranjan" == Niranjan Nilakantan <nilakant@cs.nyu.edu> writes:

> When I start the oo-browser, and ask it to build an environment in a 
> directory with some Java files, and then load the environment, nothing 
> happens i.e. no classes are displayed.  The same thing happened for a
> directory of C++ files.  What could the problem be?

Coding style?  Perhaps it didn't recognize the classes when it saw them?

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>>>>> "David" == David Hughes <dhughes@origin-at.co.uk> writes:

> Look everybody, can we please stop this thread? Two things must be
> abundantly clear by now.

> 1. Erik Naggum is an unhappy, tormented soul who finds it impossible to
> write articles in an objective and courteous manner. It is therefore very
> difficult to take him seriously.

> He clearly needs help, so I suggest the following therapy program.  Unless
> he writes in a constructive & polite fashion we should simply ignore all
> further articles from him.

Many of the articles he has posted over the last few days were both impolite
and unconstructive.  However, there was one article that at least gave a good
view of what his objections to XEmacs are, even though the article was still
done in an impolite manner.  Given the heat in this argument, its probably
ludicrous to expect politeness.  That article at least represented a beginning
at thawing out this cold war.

> 2. The war between XEmacs and GNU Emacs is never going to be resolved, and in
> our heart of hearts we all know that. Therefore these endless flames are just
> a waste of bandwidth.

Most people realize that XEmacs and GNU Emacs must coexist.  If they choose to
go entirely separate paths, then many (if not all) package developers will
have to choose which one to support -- it will just be too costly in time to
support both.  When that happens, both variants of Emacs will suffer.

That said, it sounds like there is cooperation happening between the camps.
Another article reported that a function/variable in Emacs had had its name
changed by RMS at the request of Ben.  There is hope...

-- 
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David Masterson (davidm@prism.kla.com) wrote:
> I thought the byte-compiled code was sharable in at least one direction (I
> think Emacs to XEmacs, but I'm not sure)...?

It is true that .elc files generated by XEmacs 19.14 will run on GNU
Emacs 19.34, but not always.  Some major packages (like tm) *have* to
be recompiled for the specific Emacs in order to work properly.

With things like 'eval-when-compile some things are hard-coded in
.elc-s and cannot be run by the other flavor of Emacs.

-- 
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>>>>> "PG" == Piercarlo Grandi <pcg@aber.ac.uk> writes:

[pop3.el]

PG> Has anybody got any details on its use?

pop3.el is a "generic" interface to a POP3 (RFC 1460) mail server,
implementing most of the full specification, excepting the useless LIST
command.  Though vm-pop was an inspiration, pop3 is conceptually quite
different from vm-pop.  vm-pop is an Emacs-Lisp implementation of the
POP retrieval code in movemail; pop3 is a nearly complete implementation
of the POP3 command set.

Use of pop3 is straightforward.  The only external dependancy is for the
md5 hash algorithm for APOP authentication; if you are using XEmacs then
the md5 hashing is built in, otherwise you will need to get md5.el from
the Emacs-Lisp archives.  All of the configuation variables are
documented, and their use should be obvious.  The pop3-movemail function
is included as a replacement for the movemail program.  It demonstrates
how the various POP3 functions are invoked to connect to a server and
retrieve any mail on that server.

If you want to use pop3.el instead of movemail or vm-pop or whatever
other retrieval program, just set the pop3-* variables appropriately and
invoke pop3-movemail with an optional file name for a crashbox.

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* Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
| I think it's partly due to the fact that people want the tool they are
| working on to be the best. It's really hard (and against human nature) to
| spend a lot of time and effort making your tool better and then say
| "Their tool is still much better than mine".  If you put down the other
| tool, it makes you work seem more fullfilling.  Of course, we can overcome
| this...just takes effort.

I don't think that goes against human nature at all.  what does go against
human nature is even considering any actually good qualities of something
that is _not_ better than your own (in very many significant respects, but
not all), if the guys behind that other tool attacks yours as "inferior" or
actively work to block your progress.

in a world of cooperation, acknowledgements such as "his is better than
mine" is the norm, because it means one may borrow, trade, or otherwise
exchange ideas, implementations, whatnot.  in a world of competition, "his
is better than mine" is a suggestion to your customers to go elsewhere.
since this may well mean that you'll starve or be poor or whatever, it's
the nature of _competition_ that makes it wrong to praise your competitors,
unless you're very certain to win and can afford it.

XEmacs has chosen a path of competition.  Emacs still maintains a path of
cooperation, but not the "democratic" style that some people want.

#\Erik
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scoubidou!delarue@mail.uu.net (Christophe Delarue) writes:

> 
> 
> Lance M-x gnuserv dans un xemacs existant et lance emacsclient
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Christophe DELARUE			
> 

Ummm, what he said, except use gnuclient instead. 
(...et lance gnuclient) :)

Etienne

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Hi,

I'm using tm 7.85 with Gnus v5.2.33/XEmacs 19.14

It works fine, but for some posts (eg. everything from Richard
Cognot) it fires up a small xterm titled "more". This takes time
and is annoying since I have to move the mouse pointer to that
window in order to scroll through. When I'm done I get this
message the article buffer: 

---Executing: shownonascii
Your font path appears to be correctly set.
Running xterm to display text in iso-8859-1, please wait...

Surely it should be possible to display such a message in an
XEmacs buffer, so is there any way to configure tm to do that? 

Many thanks ..

-- 
Cheers
Sailesh
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/people/krish

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From: dan@cafws4.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
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Subject: Re: Pre-compiled version for RS/6000 AIX 4.1.x ??
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Mike Atkinson  <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:
 >Hi there
 >
 >I've looked at the distribution site for a XEmacs version for AIX
 >4.1.x, but only see a version for 3.2.5
 >(xemacs-19.14-rs6000-ibm-aix3.2.5.tar.gz), which reportedly crashes on
 >startup.  Is there a more recent version available anywhere?
 >
 >Please copy any response to sfurnival@abingdon.geoquest.slb.com.
 >
 >Thanks for any response.

	There is indeed an xemacs-19.14-powerpc-ibm-aix4.1.4.0.tar.gz.  It is
available from the main XEmacs site, ftp.xemacs.org.

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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> * Kevin Fenzi <kevin@scrye.com>
<a whole bunch of other people wrote too!>

GOOD GRIEF!

No wonder Unix is slow to get into the business market, but thrives in
academia (and I say this as someone working for a commercial software
publisher):  the reason everyone's so petty is because the stakes are so
small.  

The reason I use Xemacs is because it was preconfigured with VM, etc. 
And I wanted to try out GNUS, etc.  For someone who previously used vi,
all this configuration stuff for Emacs was too hard to figure out. 
Maybe later, I will switch to Emacs on some other systems since I now
understand how everything is configured, and I will have a lower end box
to run it on.

The reason people use an OS (or a text editor) is because it solves a
problem or fills a need.  Windows sure as heck doesn't win on technical
merits, but it's out there in volume because it is seen as providing a
solution (the unstated problem is apparently putting money in BG's
pockets).

Why don't you folks grow up?  What does having two Emacsen mean, except
that the 'market' or 'number of people wanting to use this' is high
enough to support it?  That is, both programs fill a need.

I am not going to continue dignifying this thread with any more
responses.  I urge everyone else to do the same.  Use what you like.  

Cordially
--
Patrick Giagnocavo - patrick@xinside.com
X Inside Incorporated - Accelerated X Servers
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Subject: Just try this, it will work
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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
 make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
 whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
 coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
 the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came
 from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough
 left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
 Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made
 $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only
 $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they
 say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a
 similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but
 one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in
 this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet
 their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,
 legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps:

STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for
a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside
each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five
addresses:

 1-  Fern Suarez
     Mallorca 112
     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
 2-  Philippe
     2104 De Mexico
     Chomedey, Laval
     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
     Lancveldlaan 18
     5671 CN Nuenen
     Holland
  
 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
     Placerville, CA  95667  

 5-  Steve Boltinghouse
     1009 Bird St.
     Hannibal, MO  63401

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
    and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
    Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

From xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu  Thu Nov  7 17:18:22 1996
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From: Laura Harding <harding@sde.hp.com>
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Subject: Change background color of mini-buffer?
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:08:30 -0700
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Is there a way to change the background color of just the mini-buffer?

Thanks,
laura

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From: jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu (John W. Coomes)
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Subject: Re: Mark flipping?
Date: 07 Nov 1996 17:48:07 -0600
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pez@dwwc.com (Peter Pezaris) writes:
>     David> Alright all you Emacs Gurus out there, this
>     David> should be an easy one. I use XEmacs for
>     David> programming.  I want to be able to mark two
>     David> spots and flip between the two easily.
>     David> ...
> 
> Simple way: Set the mark using set-mark-command (bound to
> C-SPC) then move to the other place and invoke
> exchange-point-and-mark (bound to C-x C-x).  Hit C-g to
> deactivate the region.
> 
> Also: play with passing a prefix arg to set-mark-command
> (i.e. C-u C-SPC).  This will jump to the previously set
> mark.

Emacs Registers are another option, and are especially handy if you
use regions frequently for cut/paste, narrowing, etc. (like I do), and
thus frequently update the mark.  From the info page:

	Saving Positions in Registers
	=============================
	   Saving a position records a spot in a buffer so you can
	move back there later.  Moving to a saved position re-selects
	the buffer and moves point to the spot.

	`C-x r SPC R'
	     Save the location of point in register R
	     (`point-to-register').
	`C-x r j R'
	     Jump to the location saved in register R
	     (`register-to-point').

Register names are single characters, so you can have a bunch of them,
and bind them mnemonically.
-- 
John W. Coomes

jcoomes@cs.uiuc.edu
http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jcoomes

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de> writes:

Thomas> Hi there,
Thomas> I have a question concerning XEmacs 19.14. Is there any
Thomas> variable/function besides 'pop-up-frames' that controls if XEmacs
Thomas> creates a new frame?

Check the `Options->"Other Window" Location' menu on the menubar.  The
variables it modifies are
get-frame-for-buffer-default-instance-limit and temp-buffer-show-function.

The former is undocumented, the latter's documentation is:

temp-buffer-show-function's value is show-temp-buffer-in-current-frame
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Non-nil means call as function to display a help buffer.
The function is called with one argument, the buffer to be displayed.
Used by `with-output-to-temp-buffer'.
If this function is used, then it must do the entire job of showing
the buffer; `temp-buffer-show-hook' is not run unless this function runs it.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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From: Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu>
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Subject: C/C++ indenting question
Date: 07 Nov 1996 18:49:50 -0500
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I'm trying to make cc-mode indent my C/C++ code so that it follows my
style.  I've been reading all about the indenting variables and have
played around with them for quite some time, but I still can't figure
out how to get the following to work.
I want 
if(a<b)
{
<tab>a=b;
}

instead of 
if(a<b) {
<tab>a=b;
}


Can someone please tell me how to do this?
-- 
        Jon Schewe           http://freenet.msp.mn.us/~schewe
        jpschewe@mtu.edu
        Computer Science Major 
        Michigan Tech University 

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From: Georges KO <m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw>
Subject: Re: HELP!  How to enter 8bit text?  (ISO-8859-1) XEmacs
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skelley@primenet.com (Sean V. Kelley) writes:

> Can anyone tell me how to enter 8 bit text in XEmacs?  And why doesn't
> it work the same way as Emacs?  With Emacs all I have to enter is M-x
> iso-accents-mode and that's it!

	You can use x-compose.el to use Right-Alt (on my PC keyboard,
which is, I guess, interpreted as Compose) to input such characters:
`' is input with `Compose-` e'.
-- 
 Georges KO [ m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw http://mtc.ntnu.edu.tw:52021/~m52021/ ]

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From: mcrocker@@uunet.uu.net (Mark Crocker)
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Subject: Cut & Copy
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I recently switched from lemacs to XEmacs and am having problems with
cut/copy and paste that didn't occur with lemacs.  In fact, lemacs was
the ONLY program I have ever come across on my SUN station that
allowed cut and paste to/from ALL of the other tools, so I'm
dissapointed to lose this versatility with a newer version!

Specifically the problem occurs when attempting to copy from xemacs
running under mwm (Motif Window Manager) to any openwin tool, such as
the openwin version of textedit.  Strangely enough, it works going the
other way.  

In lemacs, I had to use the copy or cut key after highlighting the
appropriate text to copy the text to the clipboard.  Then pushing the
paste key after changing the focus to the openwin tool pasted the text
into the tool.

To make this work, I had to define the following keys in my .emacs:

(global-set-key '[(f16)] 'x-copy-primary-selection)
(global-set-key '[(f18)] 'x-yank-clipboard-selection)
(global-set-key '[(f20)] 'x-kill-primary-selection)

XEmacs doesn't seem to offer this versatility (though the key bindings
are already set) because the openwin tool doesn't respond at all when
the paste key is pushed.  When selecting paste from a menu, the
openwin tools always complains that the clipboard is empty.
xclipboard also shows that the clipboard is empty after highlighting
text in XEmacs and after pushing the copy or cut key or selecting copy
or cut from the XEmacs menus.

The XEmacs FAQ mentions a similar problem for pasting to cmdtool's,
but the suggested solution of opening xclipboard doesn't help.

Any suggestions on how to get this to work would be appreciated.

				Thanks;
					Mark Crocker
					mcrocker@micron.com

Reference:

The versions I'm referring to are:

GNU Emacs 19.9 Lucid of Tue Jan 11 1994 on thalidomide
(berkeley-unix)"

for lemacs and,

XEmacs 19.13 of Thu Aug 31 1995 on douglas.cs.uiuc.edu (berkeley-unix)
[formerly Lucid Emacs]" for XEmacs.

for XEmacs.

My computer is a SUN SPARC station 10.

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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: tm package with xemacs
Date: 07 Nov 1996 09:31:47 -0800
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Greetings.

I have the tm package from Morioka Tomohiko.  I have
version 7.68.  I followed the install directions in the
readme file, but things don't seem to be working correctly.
I used to use it with GNU emacs without problems.

Reading mime messages with rmail doesn't work.  Using
'v' will take you into the message but things aren't
extracted. 

Gnus sometimes will work correctly, but often crashes.

I know this isn't a very descriptive message, but I'm more
interested in seeing if people are actually using tm with
Xemacs.

If you are using it, did you have to do anything special
to get it to work?  Any compile or make concerns that I
should be aware of?

Any help appreciated.

--Kevin


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I am wanting to compile xemacs 19.14 on an alpha running redhat 4.0 (ELF, not
ECOFF). I'm having some minor problems, for example the makefiles generated by
configure have some C code inserted in them (a new one for me), and the usual
ifdef stuff. I imagine that I could get it to compile with some effort, but
if anybody else has already done it I would be grateful. Thanks.

-- 
 Brady Montz
 bradym@cs.arizona.edu

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From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: need help with movemail under xemacs!!!
Date: 07 Nov 1996 22:45:08 -0600
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Abdelrazak Younes <younes@monstre.eis.enac.dgac.fr> writes:
> I've just installed xemacs and i found it great for developping in C++,
> but i have a problem for reading mail.
> 
> I can send mail without any problem but when I try "Read Mail (VM)" or
> "Read Mail (MH)" command, it says:
> movemail: Permission denied for lock file--see source file lib-src/movemail.c

You might find the following helpful.  Works for me.  Not sure if it is
a "good" or "best" method though.  

Please search in gnu.emacs.sources for the sources.  If you have trouble
finding it, please contact me for a copy by mail.

== Begin included article
Subject: Re: movemail, POP, Gnus: How to read mail
References: <3p20eeu6p7.fsf@cassatt.ccad.uiowa.edu>
	<3pbudh90zi.fsf@cassatt.ccad.uiowa.edu>
From: Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu>
Date: 01 Nov 1996 15:52:54 -0600
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Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes: <Edited>
> Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes: <Edited>
> > I am not sure our System Administrator is willing to give movemail the
> > required setgid.  We do use POP.
> > 
> > What best can I do in this situation ?
>
> ..., this is how I am able to
> read mail with Gnus in spite of not having root permission or setgid
> permission to movemail.
> 
> 1. popclient3 (beta) 
> 2. point gnus-movemail-program to wrapper around popclient (appended)
> 3. ~/.gnus:
>       (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "private")))
>       (setq nnmail-movemail-program "~/bin/popclient.sh")

A shar file of a "safer" wrapper script, improved error reporting,
corrected options, and installation help will be posted to
gnu.emacs.sources shortly after posting this article with the same
subject line.
== End included article

You might also want to explore using pop3.el, which is available in the
rgnus distribution, I understand.  I haven't tried that approach yet.
Please refer to a recent article by Richard Pieri in this newsgroup
(message id: <x73eyl3nvo.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>) for more info.

-- 

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Jon Schewe <jpschewe@eggplant.mtu.edu> writes:

> 
> I'm trying to make cc-mode indent my C/C++ code so that it follows my
> style.  I've been reading all about the indenting variables and have
> played around with them for quite some time, but I still can't figure
> out how to get the following to work.
> I want 
> if(a<b)
> {
> <tab>a=b;
> }
> 
> instead of 
> if(a<b) {
> <tab>a=b;
> }
> 
> 
> Can someone please tell me how to do this?

Please reply to jpschewe@mtu.edu or just post.  I can't seem to get gnus
to set the replay to correctly.  Any help on this would be appreciated.
-- 
        Jon Schewe           http://freenet.msp.mn.us/~schewe
        jpschewe@mtu.edu
        Computer Science Major 
        Michigan Tech University 

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From: Brad Howes <bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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>>>>> "RI" == Rajappa Iyer <rsi@lucent.com> writes:
[snip]
RI> In any case, I have stopped using XEmacs altogether because I find it
RI> unusably slow on my main platform: SunOS 4.1.3. And I'm not the only
RI> one who has this problem...[snip]

Ditto here, though I'm running Solaris 2.4. Only thing I really miss is the
'smiley' icons embedded in mail and news articles... :-)

-- 
Brad Howes                          Motorola E-Mail ID: XBH001
EMT Development                     SMTP E-Mail: bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com
Motorola Corporate - MD H1780       Voice: 602 441 1522  Fax: 602 441 5455

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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

Erik> XEmacs should be able to sell on its own merits, without
Erik> constantly portraying Emacs as inferior in order to get an edge
Erik> on it, and without ridiculing that from which they came, that
Erik> without which they would not exist.

Agreed.

Erik> you will find no hostilities from the official Emacs sites,
Erik> towards XEmacs, nothing in the FAQ, there is no match for _any_
Erik> of the hostilities from the _official_ XEmacs sources and FAQs
Erik> and folks towards Emacs.  this is patently unfair.  I object to
Erik> that unfairness.

Agreed.  Hostilities real or imagined in XEmacs documentation have
been systematically eliminated over the past seven months.

As far as some of the commentary in the source code, I don't much care
for some of it, but consider this comment:

   In contrast, anybody who gets offended by a kernel comment that
   says bad things about Sun is either a sun employee who was part of
   the team who did the f*ck-up (in which case it's ok to offend him
   ;), OR he is getting offended for no good reason. People _do_ f*ck
   up, and it's ok to point that out.

            Linus "Better offended than bored" Torvalds

The full message is at:

	http://xp8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?recnum=1863870&server=dnserver.db96q3&CONTEXT=847430681.29606&hitnum=1

Or do a power dejanews search on ``linus torvalds politically
correct'' with the `old news' option selected.

If it makes you feel any better, the worst comment I've seen in the
XEmacs source describes replacement code written in a fashion that is
*extremely* ill-thought out.

Erik> I don't know who began, I don't know what each has done in the
Erik> past outside of the written record and what I have heard, but
Erik> what I do know is that no Emacs developer (past or present) has
Erik> a web page explaining why it is impossible to cooperate with any
Erik> XEmacs developer,

The only one of these I know of is jwz's page, and it is more of a
joke than anything else.  The portion of the XEmacs FAQ dealing with
this issue was purged.  I've ignored numerous requests to bring it
back.

The only mention of this on the XEmacs.org web site is in the on-line
version of the NEWS file and is preceded by the following disclaimer:

  Here is what one XEmacs developer said about this issue.

  DISCLAIMER: This is provided for informational purposes only and
  does _NOT_ necessarily represent the opinions of any of the other
  XEmacs developers or of any of the organizations involved.  Keep in
  mind that this is a highly charged issue with differing and
  strongly-held opinions held by the various parties involved.

Erik> there are no web pages implicitly or explicity
Erik> saying that Emacs is superior to XEmacs, even though it is in
Erik> very many respects.

Why not?  There certainly should be IMO.

Erik> I don't know what made the previous author of the answer to
Erik> question 5.1.1 in the XEmacs FAQ use "braindamaged" and other
Erik> unnecessary hostilities towards Emacs in a supposedly
Erik> informative document to help XEmacs users.

Erik, that answer was removed and replaced word for word with your
commentary (and against my usual policy, unedited).  Is that not a
gesture of good will on our part?  Will you please let this point
rest?

Erik> however, these are very typical of the attitudes harbored by
Erik> XEmacs folks.  (notwithstanding Chuck Thompson's attempts to say
Erik> that if anybody talks about "XEmacs folks", they must talk about
Erik> him, and since he doesn't enage in this, then nobody does.)
Erik> further, I do not at all understand what the problems that
Erik> others have had with Emacs suggestions refer to, and I must
Erik> conclude that it was all of their own making.

Erik> in contrast to this, I have seen so much abuse from the XEmacs
Erik> crowd over the past few years that I just can't remain calm
Erik> towards people who take such obvious pleasure in destruction.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no desire to see GNU Emacs
go away, and I have no desire to wage a war against GNU Emacs.

 ...
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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 >> "Brady" == Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu> writes:

 Brady> I imagine that I could get it to compile with some effort, but
 Brady> if anybody else has already done it I would be
 Brady> grateful. Thanks.

In fact, somebody really did.
Unfortunately there are no patches available, but you can get the
binaries. Below I appended the corresponding message from the
axp-linux mailinglist.

Bye,
Markus


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From: "Zarmfab Software Development" <fabsoft@fabsoft2.zarm.uni-bremen.de>
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i'll try to answer some questions at once:

sorry, no complete set of patches, because building xemacs was
not so straightforward as it should be:

first, i patched the configuration files src/m/alpha.h and src/s/linux.h
to allow a meaningfull combination of linux and __alpha.

After running configure, all Makefiles contained a junk line typedef... , i simply
commented them out.

the build of temacs now failed when linking the static libraries liblw.a and
libcompface.a. According to richard's hints, i converted them into dynamic libs,
and added a linker option to the Makefile in src.

now temacs built well, but was not able to build xemacs.

Again, as richard suggested, i threw in the unexecelf1.c from emacs 19.34, patched
the config files again, did configure again ...

Finally, i got a dynamically linked xemacs, that needs two nonstandard libs, namely,
liblw.so and libcompface.so. 

The binaries can be downloaded by ftp from 

ftp://fabsoft.zarm.uni-bremen.de/pub/xemacs-19.14-elf-axp.bin.tgz

the archive contains only the binaries and the version-specific libs.




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When I do a C-h v on the variable tab-width it reports its value as 4.
But, when I hit the TAB key in the buffer I get a tab 8 spaces wide.

However, tab stop list is (8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80 88 96 104 112
120)

So, do I need to change both tab-width and tab-stop-list to 4 and (4 8
12 ...) to be able to get a tab-width of 4 ?

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You might for example look at 

  http://xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu/elisp.html

for some vhdl-modes for XEmacs.

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vrotney@netcom.com (William Paul Vrotney) writes:

> In article <3056268466467465@naggum.no> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> > once upon a time, it must have been a little over two years ago, I tried to
> > find out why the hell the XEmacs crowd was so hostile to the Emacs crowd.
> 
> I read every word.  Well spoken.  I've always avoided XEmacs, not knowing
> why, now I do.  Frankly, I could never see a reason for it's existence with
> GNU Emacs being there for us.  It might serve as a healthy competition for
> GNU Emacs (and vice versa) if the XEmacs crowd were not so hostile as Erik
> says.

Well, Erik Naggum has warned you about getting sucked in by immoral
marketing strategies, too (and I think he's quite a bit from being
accurate, here).  So I just recommend that you read the XEmacs FAQ
checking for any amount of "advertising lies", hate and spitefulness,
which should be there in abundance, according to Erik.  You need not
believe anything in the FAQ, if you don't want to, but you should at
least be able to point out the bile Erik claims.  If you don't, think
again.  But perhaps this is a marketing ploy again: they don't want
you to think they are the bile and hateful crowd they really are...

In short, just like you should not believe the XEmacs developers (or
disbelieve) without checking up on them, you should do the same with
Erik.  Looking through the FAQ is not much work, and will tell you how
much you can rely on Erik's opinion here.

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In <kigybgdal3u.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

>Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
>> In <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>> >Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
>> >> Attention all regexp-erts:
>> >> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
>> >>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
>> >> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.
>> >`C-q C-j'
>> I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do this for
>> other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W" on my screen.
>> I however I do this for C-q C-j then I actually get a physical new
>> line.  This plays havoc when entering a regexp with this in the middle.
>> I want a "^J".  do other people get a "^J".

>So what if you get a newline?  You wanted a newline, didn't you?  So
>you have it.  It doesn't prevent you from editing the buffer, and
>definitely makes no "havoc".

No I don't want a newline.  What I want is a *representation* of a newline.

(In vi ^VEnter gives you a newline representation, ^M)  What we want is the
equivalent in Emacs.

Just like ^ represente the start of a line in a regexp, I want ^J to
represent a newline in a regexp.  What do I get instead?  A real new line
in the middle of a regexp statement or lisp file.  It certainly does
cause havoc!  


Jon
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> XEmacs has chosen a path of competition.  Emacs still maintains a path of
> cooperation, but not the "democratic" style that some people want.

Pretty wrong.  Lucid was in the need of an Emacs with X functionality,
and the official Emacs had no date-line to come up with something like
that.  So they made their own variant and developed quite a bit of it
further.  Later, Emacs 19 was concocted by GNU, with quite different
inner workings and some similar functionality, some different.  The
Lucid line of work was not discontinued, however, since quite a bit of
work depended on it already.  Later this became XEmacs.

The XEmacs team have not decided a "path of competition", but have
just not let the work of Lucid Emacs go to the dumps.  If any has
chosen a "path of competition", it is the FSF with their completely
own interface to X instead of trying some compatibility to existing
copylefted code.  Much of the work of XEmacs maintainers goes into
imitating any new interfaces Emacs happens to introduce for features
XEmacs already has, so that XEmacs users may use packages written for
Emacs as well.  This accounts for some of the "bloat" of XEmacs.

Although some people would have the XEmacs maintainers drop dead
rather now than later in order not to be nagged about missing features
in Emacs, I don't think this the best path of choice.  After Emacs has
possibilities to embed graphics in buffers (indispensible for
integrated WEB browsing, and useful for, say, TeX WYSIWYG display of
formulas, X-Face inclusion in buffers and quite a few other things),
possibilities to use proprotional fonts with variable line widths,
possibilities to use colours on ttys, possibilities to have frames on
different devices (ttys *and* X displays) at once, and quite a few
other packages adapted (hyper-apropos is pretty hot, for example),
XEmacs still has a place, and if just to remind the Emacs people what
would be nice to have.  Once the basic display engine of Emacs has the
power of that of XEmacs (but hopefully better speed...) one might
think of fading XEmacs out by offering similar feature sets.

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I am just a user who started using Emacs 5 years ago and hooked on it. I
tried and switched to XEmacs 3 years ago.

I am not a programmer, nor a lisp philosopher, so I will simply attempt to
offer an answer to the original poster's question.

The reasons I use XEmacs whenever I can:
1. Easy to use, thanks to extensive menus, etc.  I almost never use the mouse,
   but it is comforting to know it is there when you are in a rare mode.  It
   also helps me to learn the rarely used commands.  This ease of use was
   essential for some of the new converts in my company. 
2. Looks better in X, feels more like an integrated X application.
3. Precompiled binaries. I used to have serious difficulties compiling
   XEmacs. Recently configure became much more robust, but why bother? I grab
   binaries for all 5 UNIX platforms and stick to a server location. The whole
   release upgrade takes under an hour.
4. Easier to customize

Pros for using Emacs
1. Fast and Small.  These are irrelevant to me.  I have enough space,
   especially considering XEmacs is very easy and economical to install in a
   fileserver. XEmacs is fast enough even on our slowest UNIX stations, and
   they are doubling in speed every six months.
2. NTEmacs provides Windows_NT support. I had to go back and put in Emacs
   compatibility in my .emacs and all my site customizations.  It was very time
   consuming, and I hated doing it. Just after XEmacs put in the tty support, I
   had purged all Emacs specific branches out of my lisp files.  If only XEmacs
   had NT support, world would have been perfect.  Nevertheles,, NTEmacs works
   very nicely on my NT, congrats to its developers.

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: NT, W95, OS2, etc [was: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?]
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Levent N. Atasoy writes:
        [...]
 > Pros for using Emacs
        [...]
 > 2. NTEmacs provides Windows_NT support [...].  If only XEmacs had
 >    NT support, world would have been perfect.

according to NEWS file, the developers have different priorities,
i.e., package integration and MULE, so that i do not expect that NT
support is real soon now...

i wonder if there are third party blueprints or ongoing work to
support display models different from X (NT, but also OS2's PM, the
Mac, etc), could anyone knowing better report to this newsgroup?

w.r.t. porting, the FAQ reports:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Q1.0.10 Is there a port of XEmacs to Microsoft ('95 or NT)?

   The closest is Win-Emacs, which is based on Lucid Emacs 19.6.
   Available from <URL:http://www.pearlsoft.com/>. Someone at
   Microsoft expressed some interest in working on a port of 19.14 to
   NT, but never went any farther.
   
   There's a port of GNU Emacs (not XEmacs) at
   <URL:http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html>.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

i don't know if the Microsoft interest went any further, anyone?

on a related note, i'd like to know how Pearl Software, that ported
lemacs 19.6 to Windows, is getting along --- porting XEmacs to a
different platform and selling support may be (or not) a good
investment for a small company

thank you for any further discussion on this topic
                                                                gb

ps: Q1.0.10 of the XEmacs FAQ doesn't seem to be into the Emacs
    bashing business of the rest of the FAQ :-)

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To: harding@sde.hp.com (Laura Harding)
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Subject: Re: Change background color of mini-buffer=?US-ASCII?Q?=3F?=

Laura,

The following code will change the background of just the
minibuffer:

(set-specifier (face-property 'default 'background)
               '((nil . "whitesmoke")) (minibuffer-window))

The difficulty will be getting this set for the minibuffer
in each new frame.  I've come up with this, which seems to
work:

(defun set-frame-minibuffer-specs (frame)
  "Set specifiers for the minibuffer of the given frame."
  (set-specifier (face-property 'default 'background)
    '((nil . "lightblue")) (minibuffer-window frame))
  )

(add-hook 'create-frame-hook 'set-frame-minibuffer-specs)

Hope this helps.

--
Donald Hunter.

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

XEmacs does have major problems in the batch area. (This one of the
weak points Erik N. should be mentioning together with the
"irreproducible frame freezing" :-))

> >     Hrvoje> Use xemacs -batch -eval '(find-file "index.pht")' -l
> >     Hrvoje> htexpand.el -f ht-expand
> > This doesn't work either; XEmacs responds with error: 
> > 	End of stream: "internal input stream"
> 

Because problems with the first method the Gnus Makefile changed to
the second. I get the End of stream: "internal input stream" error
to. I did some checking:

midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(1)"
Invalid function: 1
XEmacs exiting.
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(1 2)"
End of stream: "internal input stream"
XEmacs exiting.
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(+ 1 2)"
End of stream: "internal input stream"
XEmacs exiting.
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "1"
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "nil"
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(bla)"
Symbol's function definition is void: bla
XEmacs exiting.
midget:~/scratch/red> xemacs -batch -q -no-site-file -eval "(bla dloe)"
End of stream: "internal input stream"
XEmacs exiting.

To me it seems there is a parser problem in XEmacs when there is more
then one list element.

I am now using the "makeinfo" program to compile the TeXinfo files for
XEmacs

Jan

P.S. Steve I think assured me the XEmacs folk new of the problems
witch batch processing. I am CC'ing to make sure. 


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From: stephens@math.ruu.nl (Bruce Stephens)
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>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> writes:

> Pick one or the other, and I'm sure you'll be happy with it.  Or at
> least you won't be more unhappy than if you'd chosen the other one.

I think this is good advice.  Although I'm using the other GNU Emacs
now, a couple of years ago I used XEmacs all the time, and liked it:
the interface is pretty, and it's nice having everything set up
reasonably so it's easy to access lots of different packages (many
packages in the other GNU Emacs require installing and hand editing of
.emacs files).  The other GNU Emacs should certainly steal XEmacs's
"Options" menu.

>From the philosophy point of view, I can see arguments on both sides.
I really don't understand rms's objections to opaque data types.  I
can see objections in specific instances, but I think keymaps, for
example, make an obvious candidate for a data type.  On the other
hand, I think overlays and text properties make sense, and I agree
with rms's doubts about how extents work in a theoretical sense.  But
hey, if you're a user like me, so long as things work you'll not
notice how dubious things are underneath.
-- 
Bruce Stephens			| email: B.Stephens@math.ruu.nl
Utrecht University              | telephone: +31 30 2534630
Department of Mathematics       | telefax:   +31 30 2518394
P.O. Box 80010, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands

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Hi there,

I have the following problem. Using AucTeX my LaTeX-files are:

thesis.tex     (master file)
main.tex       (included in 'thesis.tex')

Typing C-cC-c while editing the file 'main.tex' Xemacs executes
the command 'latex thesis.tex'.
Furthermore I use BibTeX. The problem is that I do not need to
execute the command 'bibtex thesis' but instead I want to execute
the command 'bibtex main'. How do I do this (except for the trivial
solution which is opening an xterm)?
How come C-cC-b and C-cC-r perform the same operations?

-- 
Pieter J. Rijken
Instituut Lorentz, University of Leiden
The Netherlands

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* David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
| Lucid was in the need of an Emacs with X functionality, and the official
| Emacs had no date-line to come up with something like that.  So they made
| their own variant and developed quite a bit of it further.  Later, Emacs
| 19 was concocted by GNU, with quite different inner workings and some
| similar functionality, some different.  The Lucid line of work was not
| discontinued, however, since quite a bit of work depended on it already.
| Later this became XEmacs.

this is the kind of marketing I have been talking about.  somehow, somebody
has managed to dupe David Kastrup into believing this line, and it is this
line that continues to hurt Emacs, and make fools who believe it exhibit
the "we're so superior" attitude.

"later, Emacs 19 was concocted by GNU".  in _fact_, FSF was already working
on Emacs 19 when Lucid came in and supported the work with a lot of money.
they withdrew the money and hired away the programmer from the FSF when the
pace was not to their liking.  the first is OK, the latter is not.  they
took over the decision process, and lots of people who were unable to work
with RMS (that's the kindest way I can put it) found a forum to vent their
frustration and spleen in the process.

| This accounts for some of the "bloat" of XEmacs.

geez.  talk about marketing lies.  "now look what you made us do!"

| Although some people would have the XEmacs maintainers drop dead rather
| now than later in order not to be nagged about missing features in Emacs,
| I don't think this the best path of choice.

you really have a knack for dirty campaigning.  did you work for Dole?

what _I_ would like to see is that XEmacs' maintainers would suggest common
Lisp functions that deal with the various data types and actually implement
data _abstraction_.  (Per Abrahamsen said it very well when he pointed out
that it is more "information hiding" than "data abstraction" in the XEmacs
code.)  real data abstraction would not be visible to the user in terms of
"we use abstract data types, and they don't".  data abstraction is about
_not_ forcing users to see the implementation.  in XEmacs, users are in
fact _forced_ to see the (different) implementation.  I can find nothing to
fully explain this other than ill will: the desire to break things on
purpose, or just to spite RMS for using a more open design.

| After Emacs has possibilities to embed graphics in buffers (indispensible
| for integrated WEB browsing, and useful for, say, TeX WYSIWYG display of
| formulas, X-Face inclusion in buffers and quite a few other things),
| possibilities to use proprotional fonts with variable line widths,
| possibilities to use colours on ttys, possibilities to have frames on
| different devices (ttys *and* X displays) at once, and quite a few other
| packages adapted (hyper-apropos is pretty hot, for example), XEmacs still
| has a place, and if just to remind the Emacs people what would be nice to
| have.

yeah, right.  XEmacs continues to draw away programmers from the Emacs
community who _could_ have implemented this in Emacs.  "we have XEmacs, so
why bother" is an oft-heard argument against working on X stuff in Emacs.
this is the most hurtful part.  had the XEmacs folks been a little less
spiteful and hateful, had they written their code with _abstraction_
instead of gratuitously changing the Emacs Lisp language, and had they
cooperated, we could have had two display engines for a single Emacs,
instead of two Emacsen with each their own display engine.

another very useful item in judging Emacs vs XEmacs is to look very
carefully at how they approach the Lisp code: in Emacs, it is a real
programming language, and the C is just support code for it, whereas in
XEmacs, you find people talking about the "API" all the time, and they are
right: in XEmacs, Lisp is just an API to a much more complex C layer.  I
spent a fair amount of time studying XEmacs Lisp, and I got the same icky
feeling I get from most of the many incredibly obsolescent solutions in
Unix: I had to "think implementation" to understand how something was
supposed to be used and what it did.  the most curious aspect to this is
that the XEmacs folks complain (bitterly!) about how much they had to work
at the implementation level in Emacs Lisp, such as the now tired story of
the keymaps.  the question I kept asking myself through my XEmacs excursion
was: why did they have to change the low-level implementation to gain what
they say they gained?  why do you, David, try to blame Emacs for the bloat
in XEmacs and say that so much effort goes into interface wrappers, when
that is solely the (historic) fault of the XEmacs designers?

I'm reminded of the situation between the two competing mobile phone
companies in Norway.  company A reduces its prices by "up to 25%" soon, but
not on calls to their competitor, company B.  company B will follow suit
and they also has far lower prices for calling company A to begin with.
now, I'm the inquisitive kind of guy, so I called around and got the _real_
reason: company A has to pay 80% of the price it charges its customers per
minute for calls into company B's mobile network, and is squeezed for
profits because they charge so much.  company B has to pay only 40% of the
price it charges its customers per minute for calls into company A's
network.  this is because company A is an arm of the Norwegian (land-line
monopoly) phone company and can't charge arbitrarily much from their
competitors.  their competitors can charge arbitrarily much from them, of
course.  and so it appears, to the people who want to be disgruntled and
don't want to understand, that company A _overcharges_ for calls to B,
while B is your regular nice guy.  the _fact_ is that this false appearance
is created _on_purpose_ by company B in their marketing campaigns to gain
market share.  so if it is hard to move code from XEmacs to Emacs, every
XEmacs user and every developer who complains about it is likely to blame
Emacs, not their own environment and the childish little bastards who laid
the ground for the incompatibility.

if you don't like the fact that there is a strong sense of incompatibility
between Emacs and XEmacs in their keybindings, ask the doofus who broke it.
if one instead wanted to maintain compatibility, find another way to talk
about key bindings.  I think using the functionality in `read-kbd-macro'
would be a good way, if we can agree on the external appearance, which is
that from `key-description', and I think we can.  _that_ would be _real_
abstraction.  the function should probably be called something else, such
as `read-key-sequence-from-string' and have a reader macro defined to call
it more conveniently, such as one would do in Common Lisp, like #K"C-M-;",
to mean the key printed as "C-M-;" by `single-key-description', whether it
would be represented as the list (control meta ?;) or the integer -67108805
(which is the value of ?\C-\M-;).  clearly, having to expose the user to
the implementation is wrong in _both_ cases if there is more than one way
to do it.  but _again_, why did the XEmacs folks have to change the
_implementation_ in order to improve it?  ill will, incompetence, or both!

| Once the basic display engine of Emacs has the power of that of XEmacs
| (but hopefully better speed...) one might think of fading XEmacs out by
| offering similar feature sets.

you're proving my point: XEmacs wants competition, not cooperation.  Emacs
has wanted to employ the experience and the code from XEmacs for years, but
why can't we do that?  because the XEmacs folks chose a way to do their
work that made it much, much harder than it should have been, and they did
it _on_purpose_.  progress on the unified display engine is _very_ slow.  I
don't know precisely why, but what I do know is that the reason Emacs
doesn't have a better X interface is that the XEmacs people hasn't _wanted_
it to.  if they do now, it does not show in action.

incidentally, I don't want proportional fonts, I don't want colors, I don't
want inline graphics, I still prefer the 1200 dpi quality of printed text
(and high-end laser printers) and _real_ pictures, I think low resolution
is the worst aspect of computers, and colors don't help.  I want the screen
to repaint itself _instantly_, I think the "slow motion" of most Motif and
Windows applications and constant repainting (as in Netscape 2.02) is
evidence of bad programmers suffering from technology fixation.  if I can't
get at _least_ as good quality as I got without computers, they would have
to offer a _lot_ more than I had, and usually they don't.  XEmacs also
follows the "modern" trend where appearance rules over contents.  this is
an additional pet peeve of mine, and it doesn't help XEmacs' cause, but it
would have been irrelevant if they could point to _real_ improvements in
areas that matter to me.  they can't.  Emacs is in fact superior to XEmacs
in areas that matter to me.  but I recognize (and so should the XEmacs
folks) that this is due to my personal preferences.  just like my ideas
about what free software should be like define my attitudes to a lot of
what goes on in our industry, but may not be shared by others, I want to
XEmacs folks to stop portraying their personal preferences as inherently or
intrinsically better than any others'.  there is already enough of the
bullshit in the marketing from Microsoft and others about how the "normal"
users are those who prefer their _sick_ version of "user friendly", while
this is _wrong_ for at least 40% of the population, quite possibly more.
e.g., the "mouse" as in input device is creating new health problems that
may well have offset any perceived gains already in terms of total costs,
not to mention the personal disasters for those who get ill from it.  I
have been a computer user since about 1978, I have _no_ problems with any
of the things that others are attributing to their working environment
after only a few years.  could it be because I have resisted ways of
working that "modern" designers are hailing as "improvements" when they are
in fact no improvement at all, except to their sales figures.  the short
range by which we judge things today is going to hurt all of us later.
people behave as if they don't even expect to become 40 years old, with
loss of eyesight, etc.  well, enjoy your youth.  I plan on enjoying my
_life_.  I find the constant rush to do things that are harmful in the long
term, but probably "sexy" or "cool" in the short term, to be significantly
bothersome.  more importantly, short-term euphoria is not "superior" to
long-term quality, except to people who have no desire for quality.  call
it "conservative" if you like.  I call it factoring out the psychological
requirements for stability into areas where they cost very little, so I can
handle more changes elsewhere, such as in spending my braintime on hard
(programming) problems instead of tweaking display features.

sorry for the length, but at least it should be more constructive, now.

BTW, I noticed that Jamie Zawinski saw it fit to have a little fun.  that's
good for him, but I'd rather spend my time writing the above paragraphs
than run a "complaint" script off the web.

#\Erik
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I'm going to be getting a PC at home soon (full monty job hopefully) and
would like to make some additions to XEmacs. Specifically I'd like to
change the file selection window, how do I go about this ?

Steve Jones

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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
[.. snip repeat of old arguments ..]
> 
> incidentally, I don't want proportional fonts, I don't want colors, I don't
> want inline graphics, I still prefer the 1200 dpi quality of printed text
> (and high-end laser printers) and _real_ pictures, I think low resolution
> is the worst aspect of computers, and colors don't help.  I want the screen
> to repaint itself _instantly_, I think the "slow motion" of most Motif and
> Windows applications and constant repainting (as in Netscape 2.02) is
> evidence of bad programmers suffering from technology fixation. 

Now I have to take issue, colours don't help ? Try presenting anything
other than simple text in B/W and see the issues.  Why do I use colours
in Emacs and XEmacs ? Because these can quickly highlight the code and
give it a quicker perception than without colour.  There is of course a
limit at which point colours become useless (ie don't have more than 4
or 5 colours when using text), but colour can add alot to a document.
If colour doesn't help why do humans have colour vision ? Why are
traffic lights Red/Amber/Green what information is inherent in these
colours ?



> if I can't
> get at _least_ as good quality as I got without computers, they would have
> to offer a _lot_ more than I had, and usually they don't.  XEmacs also
> follows the "modern" trend where appearance rules over contents.  this is
> an additional pet peeve of mine, and it doesn't help XEmacs' cause, but it
> would have been irrelevant if they could point to _real_ improvements in
> areas that matter to me.  they can't.

Appearance v. Content ? For most modern systems the appearance is the
content, working on ATC systems yuo can have the worlds greatest
Conflict algorithm but if the presentation is poor it means nothing.
The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems, XEmacs
has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I would say that
the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will produce better
productivity.  Sorry to bring in the MS world but what makes Word for
Windows easier to use than Word for Dos ? The answer is interaction.


>  Emacs is in fact superior to XEmacs
> in areas that matter to me.  but I recognize (and so should the XEmacs
> folks) that this is due to my personal preferences.  just like my ideas
> about what free software should be like define my attitudes to a lot of
> what goes on in our industry, but may not be shared by others, I want to
> XEmacs folks to stop portraying their personal preferences as inherently or
> intrinsically better than any others'.  there is already enough of the
> bullshit in the marketing from Microsoft and others about how the "normal"
> users are those who prefer their _sick_ version of "user friendly", while
> this is _wrong_ for at least 40% of the population, quite possibly more.
> e.g., the "mouse" as in input device is creating new health problems that
> may well have offset any perceived gains already in terms of total costs,
> not to mention the personal disasters for those who get ill from it.  I
> have been a computer user since about 1978, I have _no_ problems with any
> of the things that others are attributing to their working environment
> after only a few years.  could it be because I have resisted ways of
> working that "modern" designers are hailing as "improvements" when they are
> in fact no improvement at all, except to their sales figures.  the short
> range by which we judge things today is going to hurt all of us later.
> people behave as if they don't even expect to become 40 years old, with
> loss of eyesight, etc.  well, enjoy your youth.  I plan on enjoying my
> _life_.  I find the constant rush to do things that are harmful in the long
> term, but probably "sexy" or "cool" in the short term, to be significantly
> bothersome.  more importantly, short-term euphoria is not "superior" to
> long-term quality, except to people who have no desire for quality.  call
> it "conservative" if you like.  I call it factoring out the psychological
> requirements for stability into areas where they cost very little, so I can
> handle more changes elsewhere, such as in spending my braintime on hard
> (programming) problems instead of tweaking display features.
> 

The Mouse is an excellent tool, but looking at some of the modern touch
screens I think that they may soon be taking over (well in the next few
years).  Also there is evidence that the keyboard has more effect on
health than the mouse (as long as it is a well designed mouse).  The
natural urge of people is to point, the mouse is the interaction tool
that allows the user to do this.

As someone who specialises in GUIs I would say that the problems
encountered more than match those of the internal working of computers.
Interface meet a thing called a "human" these input devices are badly
designed and constantly fail to obey protocol, if they were made by a
company they'd never be bought.  I feel the objective of modern
computing should be to make the computer a tool that is accesible to
all.  GUIs do cause problems for speed, they are resource hungry, and
indeed there is a body of evidence that says that it does not always
speed a process up, it does however improve quality.

A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no need to
know about the complexities of using a computer system to be able to use
what is an editor. Just as a programmer is not required to know about
General and Special Relativity to programme that computer.  XEmacs does
have teething problems, but then it is attempting to do something new,
and being amoung the first is always harder, but if it creates a simpler
editor with more features this is for the better. 

The Interface should be the most important thing for and Editor, this is
where people interact with the system.  If a tool is hard to use then it
is a poor tool, no matter how good the functionality is behind it.

Emacs and XEmacs are both excellent tools, and both have over the past
few years improved their interfaces to the user.  Long may this
continue.


Steve Jones

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> "later, Emacs 19 was concocted by GNU".  in _fact_, FSF was already working
> on Emacs 19 when Lucid came in and supported the work with a lot of money.
> they withdrew the money and hired away the programmer from the FSF when the
> pace was not to their liking.  the first is OK, the latter is not.  they
> took over the decision process, and lots of people who were unable to work
> with RMS (that's the kindest way I can put it) found a forum to vent their
> frustration and spleen in the process.

So presumably that was how the animosities came about.  If that was
how the things went...

Sort of, say, somebody supporting Joyce's initial work on "Ulysses" with
quite a bit of money, and giving him a coworker supposed to help crank
out a snazzy story pretty soon.  The great plan and the quick goals
are not compatible, a splitup occurs, and pretty fast a "snazzy story"
gets cranked out playing in Dublin.  It has quite a nice effect on the
masses who'd not be able to appreciate the long-term plan, anyway, and
get what they were waiting for (although a bit unshapely) before.
But it is an error to assume that this would have stolen much of an
audience for "Ulysses"... For most people the choice would have been
reading the snazzy thing, or nothing.

Now one point is that Lucid has closed the shop, and the commercialism
has quite gone out of XEmacs anyhow (although possibly not the rapid
development).  Both still serve different people.  In the XEmacs
developers' camp by now care has been taken to remove most traces of
the once more valid animosities between the programmers, from docs,
FAQ and mostly from the code.  Some users, however, try to fight on
for a war most of their leaders have abandoned.

Talk about a merger being obstructed by one of the parties is pretty
pointless, in my opinion: the methods of development are quite a bit
too different to make cooperation without quite a lot control and
discipline on both sides seem fun.  And creating free software is like
writing books: it has to be fun for the writer, and suit his style.

Using RMS' careful style, it would take several years to get those
things people like about XEmacs integrated properly as he likes it
into Emacs, and this is probably not even a bad thing, because one can
still rely on Emacs being fast and reliable for everyday's use.

There have been signs in the last time of developers at least trying
to coordinate how functionality is accessed in both Emacsens, and this
I find encouraging.

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

  Kevin> Greetings.

  Kevin> I have the tm package from Morioka Tomohiko.  I have
  Kevin> version 7.68.  I followed the install directions in the
  Kevin> readme file, but things don't seem to be working correctly.
  Kevin> [...]

Please upgrade to the latest version (7.93) and if your problems remain please
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I just installed xemacs 19.14 and there are some changes that I don't
really like and can't seem to find the right var to change in order to
change the behavior (is there one?).

It has to do with switching buffers.  If I resize a buffer window and
then do a C-4-b the window jumps back to half-and-half.  Pressing
button-2 on the buffer name does not have this effect.

Also if I do a C-4-f to load a file in the other window the input focus
jumps to that window.  Same w/ C-4-b.  I didn't think this happened in
previous versions.

If anyone could offer some help I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks,
Phil

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From: Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
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Subject: Re: Q: xemacsclient?
Date: 08 Nov 1996 08:32:52 -0800
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Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:

> 
> 
> scoubidou!delarue@mail.uu.net (Christophe Delarue) writes:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Lance M-x gnuserv dans un xemacs existant et lance emacsclient
> > 
> > -- 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > Christophe DELARUE			
> > 
> 
> Ummm, what he said, except use gnuclient instead. 
> (...et lance gnuclient) :)

Uhm, no... you're mistaken.  M-x gnuserv to start the server process
from within XEmacs.  Then use gnuattach or gnuclient from your shell
prompt.

'man gnuclient' might be a good idea at this point.

-- Gary F.


-- 
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Send mail with the subject "send pgp key" for my public key.

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David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

> >>>>> "Jamie" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:
> 
> [...pre-generated complaint letter...]
> 
> > (http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)
> 
> Was this really useful...?

  No, but slightly amusing.  Thanks jamie! :)

-Bill P.

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Subject: Re: Replacing regexp with newline
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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.961106144431.736H-100000-100000@wrksta3> <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> <55s5u7$cpv@lambda.fwi.uva.nl> <kigybgdal3u.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> <55urts$f86@lambda.fwi.uva.nl>,
    jon@fwi.uva.nl (Jon Mountjoy) wrote:
> 
> In <kigybgdal3u.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> >Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:
> >> In <kigafsu26ke.fsf@jagor.srce.hr> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> >> >Mat Ramey (rameym@rchps.cobe.com) wrote:
> >> >> Attention all regexp-erts:
> >> >> From the help on query-replace-regexp:
> >> >>   "Replace some things after point matching REGEXP with TO-STRING ..."
> >> >> How can I specify the TO-STRING to be a newline.
> >> >`C-q C-j'
> >> I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do this for
> >> other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W" on my screen.
> >> I however I do this for C-q C-j then I actually get a physical new
> >> line.  This plays havoc when entering a regexp with this in the middle.
> >> I want a "^J".  do other people get a "^J".
> >So what if you get a newline?  You wanted a newline, didn't you?  So
> >you have it.  It doesn't prevent you from editing the buffer, and
> >definitely makes no "havoc".
> No I don't want a newline.  What I want is a *representation* of a newline.
> (In vi ^VEnter gives you a newline representation, ^M)  What we want is the
> equivalent in Emacs.
> Just like ^ represente the start of a line in a regexp, I want ^J to
> represent a newline in a regexp.  What do I get instead?  A real new line
> in the middle of a regexp statement or lisp file.  It certainly does
> cause havoc!  

Why don't you try C-q Enter - this gives me a ^M

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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

> Levent N. Atasoy writes:

Levent> 2. NTEmacs provides Windows_NT support [...].  If only XEmacs had
Levent> NT support, world would have been perfect.

giacomo> according to NEWS file, the developers have different
giacomo> priorities, i.e., package integration and MULE, so that i do
giacomo> not expect that NT support is real soon now...

giacomo> i wonder if there are third party blueprints or ongoing work
giacomo> to support display models different from X (NT, but also
giacomo> OS2's PM, the Mac, etc), could anyone knowing better report
giacomo> to this newsgroup?

Speaking only for myself, the only system software worth running on
ix86 or DEC Alpha is Linux.  That being said, if someone were to do
the work of porting XEmacs to a Microsoft system, the patches would be
accepted and welcomed.

XEmacs 19.13 has been ported to the Macintosh in the Mach environment,
but the patches were never made available to the developers to add to
the baseline.

 ...
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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

Kevin> Greetings.

Kevin> I have the tm package from Morioka Tomohiko.  I have
Kevin> version 7.68.  I followed the install directions in the
Kevin> readme file, but things don't seem to be working correctly.
Kevin> I used to use it with GNU emacs without problems.

Kevin> Reading mime messages with rmail doesn't work.  Using
Kevin> 'v' will take you into the message but things aren't
Kevin> extracted. 

Kevin> Gnus sometimes will work correctly, but often crashes.

Kevin> I know this isn't a very descriptive message, but I'm more
Kevin> interested in seeing if people are actually using tm with
Kevin> Xemacs.

Yes, and the number who do is growing :-).  Tm will be bundled
with XEmacs 19.15.

Kevin> If you are using it, did you have to do anything special
Kevin> to get it to work?  Any compile or make concerns that I
Kevin> should be aware of?

tm7.68 is pretty old, why don't you try a newer version like 7.93?

Installation procedures haven't remained constant, and I don't
remember what special things I had to do with 7.68.  With the current
version I modify the declarations of PREFIX and EXEC_PREFIX in TM-CFG
to point to /usr/local.

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From: Vijay Ramachandran <vijay@aic.lockheed.com>
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Subject: Help: pointer foreground/background
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Hello.
I'm having trouble setting different pointer foreground and/or
background colors for xemacs-19.14 on Solaris 2.4.

I want to do something like this:
set the face foreground of nontext-pointer-glyph to "green",
and the color of other pointer-glyphs to something else, say "blue".

I first thought that I could retrieve the face of the necessary
pointer glyph variable, and set its foreground color, like so:
(set-face-foreground (glyph-face nontext-pointer-glyph) "green")

However, since all the pointer glyphs share the same face, this
changes the foreground color of all pointers.

So, I thought that I would do something like this in my .emacs:

(make-face 'my-sbar-pointer-face "Scrollbar pointer face")
(set-face-foreground 'my-sbar-pointer-face "green")
(set-glyph-face scrollbar-pointer-glyph 'my-sbar-pointer-face)

However, this does not seem to work, i.e., the foreground color of the
specified glyph does not change.

Can someone tell me how to achieve this?

Thanks in advance for your help,
Vijay

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>>>>> "J" == Jon Mountjoy <jon@fwi.uva.nl> writes:

    J> No I don't want a newline.  What I want is a *representation*
    J> of a newline.

    J> (In vi ^VEnter gives you a newline representation, ^M) What we
    J> want is the equivalent in Emacs.

    J> Just like ^ represente the start of a line in a regexp, I want
    J> ^J to represent a newline in a regexp.  What do I get instead?
    J> A real new line in the middle of a regexp statement or lisp
    J> file.  It certainly does cause havoc!

^M is not a new line, it's a carriage return. In vi if I ^V^J, I get a
newline thank god. In emacs if I C-qC-j I get the same. Similarly, if
I ^V^M in vi, or C-qC-m in emacs, I get a carriage return imbedded in
my file. A ^M is not a newline, thought it acts like one on the
macintosh.  Since you can include a newline in a regexp this works out
just dandy, to enter C-qC-j. If you are entering the regexp in a file
you can also just press enter, while in the mini-buffer you would want
to quote the newline (C-qC-j), so that it's not interpreted as end of
input.


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Parts of what follows below were actually painful to write. However, because
of the ongoing misinformation campaigns launched by Jamie Zawinski and his
accomplices, I feel it is my duty to write this. First off, Jamie once told
his secret police, "Hey, let's all go out and force us to adopt rigid social
roles that compromise our inner code of ethics!" (or words to that effect). If
you think about it, a deep, ineradicable hatred of everything that is not
lethargic energizes him to cause one-sided demands to be entered into
historical fact. As a matter of fact, he must think that the world has no
memory. "What's that?", I hear you ask. "Is it true that I got off on a
tangent?" Why, yes, it is. Others have stated it much more eloquently than I,
but I, for one, am troubled by Jamie's constant exaggerations and
half-truths. Jamie is incapable of handling an adult emotion or a universal
concept without first reducing it to something delirious, crotchety,
bloodthirsty, and probably parasitic. He sees life as a complacent game
without any rules. That proves that his dirty supporters force me to undergo
"treatment" to cure my "problem" for no better reason than to be above someone
on the social ladder. Assume for a moment that he flaunts his personal
objectives and attitudes in front of everyone else. It therefore follows that
the surest way for his followers to succeed is for them to fuel
inquisitions. It should come as no big shock to anyone that we now know for
certain that his henchmen intend to drag men out of their beds in the dead of
night and castrate them.

Will Jamie's narrow-minded stubborn adherents delude and often rob those
rendered vulnerable and susceptible to Jamie's snares because of poverty,
illness, or ignorance? Only time will tell. Jamie has a driving need to enact
new laws forcing anyone who's not one of Jamie's minions to live in an
environment that can, at best, be described as contemptuously
tolerant. Doesn't he realize that you shouldn't take threats made by reckless
Jamie Zawinski clones too seriously? Loathsome morally-questionable lowbrows
like him tend to conveniently ignore the key issues of this or any other
situation. He and his allies are social pariahs and should be
ostracized. Okay, that's a bit of an overstatement, but for all of you reading
this who are not belligerent hucksters, you can understand where the
motivation for that statement comes from.

I can assure you that his sycophants operate secretly so as not to excite
suspicion. There are some simple truths in this world. First, there are many
illustrations of this. Second, Jamie's mercenaries allege, after performing
shoddy research and utilizing threadbare scholarship, that a number of their
enemies are planning to demonstrate an outright hostility to law
enforcement. And finally, Jamie's helpers are swinging pretty hard on some
slender evidence. Jamie should stop bellyaching and start healing
himself. Sure, some of his tirades are valid, but that's not the point. If I
recall correctly, he spews nothing but lame retorts and innuendoes. I alluded
to this earlier, but his desire to shatter and ultimately destroy our most
precious possessions is incontrovertible evidence that he harbors some
sinister grudges. In any case, Jamie keeps coming up with new ways to make our
country spiritually blind. Faddism appears to have triumphed. All in all, no
clear-thinking individual would have the temerity to acquire power and use it
to indoctrinate the worst sorts of materialistic misers I've ever seen.

His disgusting fantasy fits neatly into his crude model of society. Here's
some food for thought: Jamie's criticisms are vile to the core. I once had a
nightmare in which Jamie was free to develop mind-control technology. And
that's where we are right now. It is my fundamental belief that he should
practice what he preaches.

It is easy for the public at large to dismiss presumptuous unpatriotic
schizophrenics as depraved morons. Which brings me to my point. It should be
intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer that Jamie thinks he can
impress us by talking about "microclimatological this" and
"eulamellibranchiate that". Jamie, as usual, you prove yourself to be
lawless. Untrustworthy barbarism and Jamie's slurs are one and the same. Let
me back up a little: I'd advise him to stop being so condescending.

It is quite true, of course, that his notions are based on prejudices and
preconceived notions. But his fabulous success is not firmly connected with
meritorious ability. Any day now, Jamie might be diagnosed with a special type
of mental illness that is not yet recognized. But for now, be aware that naive
imbeciles thrive on hatred rather than love. His declamations can be rightly
understood only as what some self-serving extremists have been brave enough to
call them: a failure. His little schemes are bound to fail. And if that seems
like a modest claim, I disagree. It's the most radical claim of
all. Throughout human history, yawping clods have always been ignominious. So
it should come as no surprise that his politics have no redeeming value. When
I was little, my father would sometimes pick me up, put me on his knee, and
say "The reasons that Jamie gives for his allegations clearly do not
correspond with his real motives."

I was thinking about how his flunkies have cooperated closely with stolid
contumelious utopians on several projects. And then it hit me. I am not making
a generalization when I say that his assistants have the temerity to defend
incendiarism, stoicism, and notions of racial superiority and then say that
everyone else should do the same. He thinks we want him to seize control of
the power structure. Excuse me, but maybe there is little doubt that he often
starts with a preconceived story and then plugs in supposed "information" in
order to create a somewhat believable tale. On balance, Jamie's idea of a good
time is to torture selfish curmudgeons. Still, I claim that Jamie is full of
it. Because I am starting a grassroots campaign with the sole purpose of
stopping Jamie, because even his horoscope says he's mad, and because there
will be chauvinistic things said on both sides of this issue within a short
period of time, we can conclude that radical ornery deadheads have exerted
care always to use high-sounding words like "internationalization" to hide
Jamie's plans to panic irrationally and overreact completely. Jingoism has its
stronghold among foolish maniacs. If he succeeds in his attempt to unleash an
unparalleled wave of colonialism, it'll have to be over my dead body.

I'm not saying anything you don't already know about. This screams of the old
belief that what I call dishonest scientists are merely unstable porn stars,
but that's really beside the point. For the time being, this is not a major
issue. But there I go again, claiming that Jamie has a penchant for
counterinsurgency and clandestine operations.

While there is inevitable overlap at the edges of political movements, I
myself undoubtedly find that pathological hippies are no different from
delusional astrologers. In the end, the most telling thing is that it must be
pointed out that I have no idea why Jamie Zawinski wannabees have sprouted
across the country like mushrooms after a downpour. I don't mean to imply that
before bothering us with his next batch of blasphemous ignorant theories, he
should review the rules of writing a persuasive essay, most notably the one
about sticking to the topic the writer establishes, but it's true,
nonetheless. Before explaining why smarmy sick purveyors of malice and hatred
cause insurmountable trouble for us, I must first respond to his prank phone
calls. Thanks to him, shiftless political movements are experiencing a
resurgence around the world, as if it made any difference. In effect,
hostility is a primary component of Jamie's behavior. Jamie will damage the
debate about this issue, because we will have to spend lots of time correcting
misunderstandings that are directly attributable to his ethics.

I used a phrase a few moments ago. I referred to his slaves as "disrespectful
unrealistic disk jockeys." You ought to memorize that phrase, because,
frankly, I cannot, in good conscience, step aside and let nasty cowards tour
the country promoting scurrilous extremism in lectures and radio talk show
interviews. Yes, Virginia, his few positive contributions will continue to be
overshadowed by his broader message of hate. Did it ever occur to him that the
sun has never shone on a more self-righteous and bestial person than Jamie
Zawinski? I insist that his opinion is a lazy cop-out. People have pointed out
to me that I will let his record speak for itself, but I still can't help but
think that society has pampered him too long. Given his propensity for
repression in the service of paradigmatic integrity, it is little wonder that
as commonly encountered, insincere creeps lack any of the qualities that mark
the civilized person, like courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, and
confidence. Some readers may doubt that Jamie is wretched enough to withhold
information and disseminate half truths and whole lies. So let me provide some
evidence. But before I do, let me just say that Jamie tries to assert his
autonomy by attempting to pit race against race, religion against religion,
and country against country. It may seem senseless to say that this is
explicitly or implicitly expressed or presupposed in most of the material I
plan to present. Nevertheless, the position can be defended. The conflation of
insolent spoilsports and slovenly derelicts in his litanies is either dramatic
hyperbole or a fatal methodological flaw. As a parting thought, remember that
Jamie Zawinski's positions are some of the most postmodernist, crass, and
wicked I've ever encountered.


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From: Brian Masinick <masinick@themas.zk3.dec.com>
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Mike Humski <mhk@rahul.net> writes:

 
> I am an emacs user. But I am going to try xemacs and read NEWS file at
> the xemacs www site. It lists a lot of points in which xemacs is superior
> to emacs.

   Xemacs is much more graphically oriented, and has nice integration
of a number of applications, including News (I'm writing this using
the Xemacs version of GNUS), Web browsing, Mail, and many others.  The
interface has a number of icon buttons that can be clicked to call up
these applications, which makes it nice and easy to use many things.

> Can I take them straight?  You have to consider what is important to
you, then make up your mind which interface to use, and for what purposes.

> Is emacs inferior to xemacs?

   No, it is just different.  Both are extensible, but they have
diverged somewhat due to philisophical differences in what the base
interface should provide.

> If so, why emacs is still around.  Why doesn't every one switch to
> xemacs?

   For me, there are a couple of reasons to still use Emacs.  One, my
employer ships a moderately recent release of GNU Emacs with the base
OS, and makes the most recent updates available on a public server.
Secondly, I find that GNU Emacs in base form is more compact than
Xemacs and runs faster.  Third, GNU Emacs is not quite as complex, and
it has been around longer, so there is more stuff available (at least
to me) that I need and can use, so it is my primary work environment.
Fourth, Xemacs can not always keep up with my typing, even though I
type at best just over 30 words per minute.  In this reply, for
instance, it dropped spaces several times, which I had to go back to
insert.

 
> It seems there must be something in which emacs is better at than xemacs.
> Otherwise, emacs would have perished.
 
   Speed, availability, number of users, and number of supported
platforms.  Xemacs is quite tied to the X Window System, although the
base functionality is nothing more than GNU Emacs.  I've not seen it
used anywhere except UNIX systems, although it could be conceivably
ported elsewhere.  But I know for a fact that GNU Emacs is being used
on UNIX, OpenVMS, Windows NT, and Windows 95, and people port it, or
at least part of it to many other platforms as well.

> If you know both, please let me know in which area emacs is superior to
> xemacs.

   Both GNU Emacs and Xemacs are based on GNU Emacs source code.  I
use Xemacs whenever I want a highly graphical user interface, multiple
active frames, and several applications running.  GNU Emacs can do
these things, too, but the Xemacs package ships with them turned on.
I use GNU Emacs for most of my code development, and general text
editing.  I also use vi, ed, ex, edit, vim, jed, jove, nedit, xedit,
pico, sedt, TPU/EVE, edt, CDE's dtpad (notepad), Microsoft Word,
Microsoft Write, and Microsoft Notepad on occasions, so I know how to
use many different editors and word processors.  GNU Emacs is my
favorite of them all, but I like all of the Emacs variants because of
their extensibility.  I use the others for speed, convenience, or just
to keep my fingers familiar with other tools in case I run into a
situation where I need them.

   Brian   Fri Nov  8 13:48:55 1996

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darin@connectnet1.connectnet.com (Darin Johnson) writes:


> I prefer XEmacs though; even though I don't make use of most of the
> X11 support.  But I'd prefer a single GNU/Xemacs/MULE.

   I'd second that motion, although I would want to keep the base
functionality as close to GNU Emacs as possible for speed and
efficiency, but make the interfaces with Xemacs and MULE as common and
extensible as possible, so that I could use a fast implementation by
default, but add font, graphics, and I18N support easily without
having to write or rewrite it every time I want to do something new.
Cooperation and compromise would go a long way here.  Criticism and
slander do little to help.  I think each of the approaches has some
merit, and it would be nice to have a common programming interface and
let the user and programmer decide how much of it they want to
activate.  I use GNU Emacs as my editing and development editor, and
Xemacs as my applications platform.  I haven't used MULE a lot yet,
even though I do a lot of I18N work.  The more I work with Asian code
sets, the more likely I am to use MULE in the future, however, unless
we can merge this stuff together in a cordial manner.

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> But I know for a fact that GNU Emacs is being used on UNIX, OpenVMS,
> Windows NT, and Windows 95, and people port it, or at least part of it to
> many other platforms as well.

So FSF Emacs is available for Win95, eh?  Mmmmm.  Maybe it's time for me to
have a go at using it then.  Though I'll still use XEmacs at work (on AIX),
I'd like to have a quality emacs at home too (when I'm not running Linux).

I have a question then, for people that use both often: am I going to drive
myself crazy trying to port my 1100-line .emacs file to FSF Emacs?  And
will it be a dreadful task trying to get it configured so it behaved pretty
much in the manner I'm accustomed (i.e. XEmacs)?  I don't *need* buttonbars
and all that, I'm more concerned about keystrokes, behavior differences,
and elisp incompatibilities.  In short, I want to make sure I won't have
to learn a completely different tool to do this, since that's not my
goal.  Really, my goal is to have XEmacs on Win95, but since I can't do
that I'll make my goal "having *some* real emacs on win95".




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Not very long ago there was a really useful stress relieving feature in
Xemacs where if you frantically clicked somewhere in the minibuffer
area you would get the friendly message 'BLAT FOOP'. I'm not sure if
this feature was removed between versions 19.13 and 19.14 or just
expired at a certain date. Anyhow I do miss it, and was wondering if
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	Jon
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* Steve Jones <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr>
| Now I have to take issue, colours don't help?

not me.  that's the point I'm trying to make here.  color is not a
universal good, the way some people believe it is.  I don't to stuff that
needs color.  I do stuff that is _hampered_ by color.

| If colour doesn't help why do humans have colour vision?  Why are traffic
| lights Red/Amber/Green what information is inherent in these colours?

if you wish to universalize your argument, you need more than that.  a
simple counterargument: I have over 1800 books, of which 50 or so have
color illustrations.  am I unable to learn from the rest, or enjoy them?
how come I find the imagery in good books better than the imagery in
movies?  clearly, some people are more verbal than visual.  you, like most
of the people who are unable to deal with natural variation in human
preferences, want to stuff colors down my throat, and I have to pay for it
in reduced resolution, more expensive displays, not to mention _larger_
displays to handle 19" or 21" screen real estate.  have you asked me?  no,
you _argue_ against _my_ preferences.  your arrogance is unbelievable!

| For most modern systems the appearance is the content, ...

exactly!  is this a good thing?  no.  this caters to a class of people who
obviously are unable or unwilling to handle words.  with all the lack of
contents in published material these days, _all_ they have to speak for
them is appearance.  this has been a recognized problem on the Internet
(WWW) for at least two years, now.  do you wish to tell me that I _must_
prefer your colorful, contentless, "modern" pages over an information-rich
"dull" page?  if so, go to hell.

| The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems, XEmacs
| has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I would say that
| the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will produce better
| productivity.

"better productivity"?  (whose marketing department are you paid by?)
that's nothing short of a load of bullshit.  better productivity depends on
the task and on the person.  you ignore the _invidual_ completely, to be
replaced by your obnoxious categorization of what is best for humans as
such.  humans don't exist as such, they exist as individuals.  like any
good dictator, however, some people would like to take away the working
environments that make "deviants" more productive, in order to make the
vast masses more productive.

| The natural urge of people is to point, the mouse is the interaction tool
| that allows the user to do this.

do you actually _believe_ this "natural urge" stuff?  my "natural urge" (if
I have any that exceed sex and hunger in complexity) is to speak or write.

| A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no need to
| know about the complexities of using a computer system to be able to use
| what is an editor.

your saying so does not make this true, no matter how hard you try to make
it so.  the fact is that this _stupid_ line of argumentation has kept
computing away from those who could have benefited from it decades ago,
because what you are _really_ saying is that "you poor idiots, computers
are still too hard to understand for your puny little brains to be useful
to you".  the _belief_ that computers are any more complex than, say, cars
and driving in heavy city traffic is so incredibly condescending to those
users that I find myself speechless when faced with the incredible stance
"we know what's good for you, just you sit still until we fix it for you".

you live in your graphical user interface world with colors and idiots for
users.  I prefer people who can communicate and think in words.  I have
been to France once (Aix-en-Provence, a lovely little town, and Marseilles,
a not so lovely city).  I had to point at things because my French wasn't
up to speed.  I made an intense effort to learn to _speak_ French, and
after two weeks, I could speak it well enough to discuss the best packaging
to send home a bunch of books I had bought in one of the excellent
bookstores in Aix, after having spent a day in delighted (albeit patient)
discussion with the bookstore owner.  the thrill of being able to speak a
new language was just exhilarating.  unfortunately, I can't speak French, I
can't even write French, anymore, but I can still read French, and I read
German, as well.  reduced to pointing, I feel like an illiterate moron.
that feeling carries over into computing.  pointing is for people who have
yet to discover _thought_.  in my view.  you obviously disagree, but you
won't see me agree to your "natural urge" bullshit any time sooner than you
stop universalizing that bullshit to include me and millions of other
people who feel _disenfranchised_ by the now point-and-click "interaction"
you want to make the universal mode of communication with a computer.

this has nothing to do with any Emacsen, anymore, but I just want you (and
others) to know your "natural urge" nonsense is disputed by _individuals_
who don't actually _like_ your "interaction for dummies".  and for those
who are inclined to point and not think: this is an example of how one
person (namely, I) think and have preferences, not a universalizable
argument about what Emacs users prefer over what XEmacs users prefer.
however, I'm still inclined to believe that XEmacs users (not the least
after reviewing the comments I have received), are less verbal and more
visual than Emacs users, are less interested in studying manuals and
learning _languages_ (case in point: XEmacs calls its Lisp an "API", Emacs
calls its Lisp a programming _language_).  David Hughes felt _insulted_ by
this, for God knows what reason.  observation it is, and it has been
confirmed by this debate, and in no way disputed.

a word says more than a thousand images.

exercises for the visually inclined: illustrate "appreciation", "humor",
"software", "education", "inalienable rights", "elegance", "fact".

#\Erik
-- 
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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
 make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
 whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
 coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
 the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came
 from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough
 left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
 Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made
 $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only
 $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they
 say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a
 similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but
 one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in
 this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet
 their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,
 legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps:

STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for
a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside
each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five
addresses:

 1-  Fern Suarez
     Mallorca 112
     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
 2-  Philippe
     2104 De Mexico
     Chomedey, Laval
     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
     Lancveldlaan 18
     5671 CN Nuenen
     Holland
  
 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
     Placerville, CA  95667  

 5-  Steve Boltinghouse
     1009 Bird St.
     Hannibal, MO  63401

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
    and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
    Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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This should really be in the FAQ.  It gets posted twice a week!  You
have to go to <OPTIONS><MENUBAR APPEARANCE> and unselect
<FRAME-LOCAL FONT MENU>.  If this option is selected, font changes are
only applied to the *current* frame and do *not* get saved when you
save options.

John Mann

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Naggum sez:

>a word says more than a thousand images.

Indeed. This contradiction of a what most people take as a truism nicely 
sums up your philosophical position. All kinds of things follow from this. 
DOS is better than Windows, emacs is better than Xemacs, ... Fine. I can
except that you have this point of view and won't endeavour to change
it. But keep in mind that most people _have_ gone over to using
GUIs. Therefore, your position that GUI designers are foisting this on a
public that doesn't need it (if only everyone would learn how to
communicate with their computers in text) is the arrogant and intolerant
position. Not the other way around.

Just a casual observation: Those people using the strongest language are
the intolerant ones. Check back on this thread and see which side is using
the strongest language.
-- 
rick  

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David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> > | I am using XEmacs 19.14, if that matters.
> > the above is true for Emacs 19.34.  you might consider upgrading.
> Reminds me of the MS help file entry if the install process
> found an OS/2 partition:
> How to remove an OS/2 partition and upgrade it to MSDOS 6.2.

Yeah, I always thought that was hilarious.

OTOH, I moved from XEmacs 19.11 to GNU Emacs 19.34 and that was *definitely*
an upgrade.  My major motivations were performance, availability of an OS/2
PM version in addition to X Windows, ability to use a terminal, and the
sponsorship of the FSF.

It seems that XEmacs now supports terminals.  In what version did that
appear?  That probably would have made a difference in my decision to
upgrade, but it feels so nice to work with FSF code again that I doubt I'll
ever go back to flirting with XEmacs.

-- Mark Hood

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Subject: Re: Buffer operations
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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Welch <welch@bear.com> writes:

> Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca> writes:

Graham> C-x b brings up the next item in the buffer list in the
Graham> minibuffer - you can then use up and down arrows to scroll
Graham> through the available buffers.

This isn't quite correct.

Bill> When I try this in 19.14, I get
Bill> "no {preceding|following} item in buffer-history"

Bill> buffer-history is nil.

This is actually what you should expect under many conditions.

Bill> It sounds like a nice feature - what do I have to do to turn it on?

The buffer-history variable is filled with buffer names that are
switched to in the minibuffer with C-x b (or any other interactive
command that ends up calling the lisp function `read-buffer').  Each
time you type in a new buffer name, it will be added to the history.
Thus, there isn't anything special you need to do to turn it on other
than use it.

I hope this explanation makes things clearer.
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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Heckman <sheckman@starless.mv.lucent.com> writes:

Steve> I'm posting this here 
Steve> 	A) Because I had a hell of a time figuring this out and wanted
Steve> 	   to save somebody else the aggravation.
Steve> 	B) As a sanity/code check. 
Steve> 	C) Has this been done already?

Yes, and in a more general fashion.  Your code cannot be added to
Emacs due to the hard coding of the switches.

Steve> (If it has been done before, please point me there!)

First, try browsing
	http://www.dejanews.com/
and feeding it the search string ``lpr-switches xemacs'', or
``printing xemacs''.

The following bit of code will give you the interface that will be
used in XEmacs 19.15.

(require 'message)
(require 'lpr)

(defadvice print-region-1 (before print-region-1 activate)
  "Extend the syntax available to lpr-switches."
  (let ((my-sw (message-flatten-list
		(mapcar '(lambda (arg)
			   (cond ((stringp arg) arg)
				 ((functionp arg) (apply arg nil))
				 ((symbolp arg) (eval arg))
				 ((consp arg) (apply (car arg) (cdr arg)))
				 (t nil)))
			(ad-get-arg 2)))))
    (ad-set-arg 2 my-sw)))

With this in place you can say something like:

(setq lpr-switches '(static-printer-options dynamic-printer-options "-Plw"))
(setq static-printer-options '("-p" "-1"))
(defun dynamic-printer-options ()
  ;; code to be executed just prior to printing
  ;; Should return a string, or list of strings
)
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Subject: Re: HELP!  How to enter 8bit text?  (ISO-8859-1) XEmacs
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>>>>> "Georges" == Georges KO <m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw> writes:

>>>>> "Sean" == skelley@primenet.com (Sean V. Kelley) writes:

Sean> Can anyone tell me how to enter 8 bit text in XEmacs?  And why doesn't
Sean> it work the same way as Emacs?  With Emacs all I have to enter is M-x
Sean> iso-accents-mode and that's it!

Georges> 	You can use x-compose.el to use Right-Alt (on my PC keyboard,
Georges> which is, I guess, interpreted as Compose) to input such characters:
Georges> `' is input with `Compose-` e'.

XEmacs 19.15 will have iso-accents-mode.
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>>>>> "David" == David Masterson <davidm@prism.kla.com> writes:

David> I thought the byte-compiled code was sharable in at least one
David> direction (I think Emacs to XEmacs, but I'm not sure)...?

Actually XEmacs to GNU Emacs, but that will change with XEmacs 20.0
and the presence of MULE internationalization.  It's best to keep the
byte-code separate.

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>>>>> "JOSH" == JOSH C VAN TONDER <vant0009@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes:

JOSH> Every time I choose the save options choice from the options
JOSH> menu it opens up my .emacs and writes to it.  However every time
JOSH> I start xemacs my saved options ,well, aren't saved.  It is
JOSH> getting kind of lame having to turn them on every time I want to
JOSH> write code.  ANy suggestions?

Do you see code in your .emacs that looks like:

;; Options Menu Settings
;; =====================
(cond
 ((and (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
       (boundp 'emacs-major-version)
       (or (and
             (= emacs-major-version 19)
             (>= emacs-minor-version 14))
           (= emacs-major-version 20))
       (fboundp 'load-options-file))
  (load-options-file ".xemacs-options")))
;; ============================

Is the .xemacs-options file being created?
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>>>>> "wmodt18" == wmodt18  <wmodt18@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:

wmodt18> Hi there,

wmodt18> I am fairly new to linux (suse distribution) and I would like
wmodt18> my xemacs to be configured as a tex environement. So far it
wmodt18> seems to be mainly for compiling C code. I have already tried
wmodt18> to interprete the HOWTO files, corresponding to the tex.el
wmodt18> files, but could not figure out how to get it to work. The
wmodt18> .emacs and the start-site dir seems to be left alone?

wmodt18> What do I have to do?

For serious TeX use you're probably better off with AucTeX instead of
the packages that come with XEmacs.

	http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/
	ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/packages/auctex/auctex.tar.gz

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>>>>> "Srinivas" == Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> writes:

Srinivas> When I do a C-h v on the variable tab-width it reports its
Srinivas> value as 4.  But, when I hit the TAB key in the buffer I get
Srinivas> a tab 8 spaces wide.

Srinivas> However, tab stop list is (8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80 88
Srinivas> 96 104 112 120)

Srinivas> So, do I need to change both tab-width and tab-stop-list to
Srinivas> 4 and (4 8 12 ...) to be able to get a tab-width of 4 ?

Yup.
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>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan  <jong@seawater.seaotter.com> writes:

Jonathan> I am compiling Xemacs 19-14 on a Linux 2.0.20 kernel, ELF.

Check your version of jpeglib against the recommended version in the
FAQ.  You need a fairly recent version of libgr.

Also check for older versions in the library path.
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>>>>> "Bruce" == Bruce Anderson <andersb@morgan.com> writes:

Bruce> I have some lisp that works in 19.13 and produces an error in
Bruce> 19.14.  The problem revolves around use of (interactive "i").
Bruce> Anyone know how I can interactively select a string from an
Bruce> alist via interactive?

This bug has been fixed in XEmacs 19.15 (which will be available
shortly).

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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

Rick> O.K. I have permissions interactive, I have highlighting on
Rick> links, directories, executables, and boring. But when I mark a
Rick> file, all I get is a leading asterisk. dired-face-marked seems
Rick> to be ignored.

This doesn't appear to be implemented in 19.14.  I don't believe
uncommenting the code which sets the font-lock-keywords helps either.
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> not me.  that's the point I'm trying to make here.  color is not a
> universal good, the way some people believe it is.  I don't to stuff that
> needs color.  I do stuff that is _hampered_ by color.

Fine, so turn it off. Choice is the universal good. Many programmers I
have talked to say that their productivity went up once they were able
to use an editor with syntax coloring. It helped in debugging, and in
preventing the bugs in the first place.

> prefer your colorful, contentless, "modern" pages over an information-rich
> "dull" page?  if so, go to hell.

You are going to unreasonable extremes to support your point. WWW
pages are content-free because they have color, their content-free
because the people that made them content-free. But there are plenty
of content-free pages with nothing more fancy than a horizontal rule.

> | The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems, XEmacs
> | has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I would say that
> | the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will produce better
> | productivity.

I'd be hard pressed to agree with that one. No one interface is good
for everyone. For instance, an iconic interface totally sucks for the
blind, who need text that can be read to them by the computer.

> | The natural urge of people is to point, the mouse is the interaction tool
> | that allows the user to do this.
> 
> do you actually _believe_ this "natural urge" stuff?  my "natural urge" (if
> I have any that exceed sex and hunger in complexity) is to speak or write.

Oh please, tell me you've never pointed at something behind a glass
case and said "That one, please." Tell me you don't gesture while
talking. 

A mouse is kind of stupid for a lot of things, to be sure. Menu bars
add questionable benefit to productivity. Never the less, the
combination is incredibly useful for learning about the capabilities
of the program. Ideally one day we will be able to *say* any of:

Move this paragraph here

Move the second paragraph to after the third

Stick line 2 before line 12

Bag the first second and fourth paragraphs, as well as this line

> | A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no need to
> | know about the complexities of using a computer system to be able to use
> | what is an editor.

> your saying so does not make this true, no matter how hard you try to make
> it so.  the fact is that this _stupid_ line of argumentation has kept
> users that I find myself speechless when faced with the incredible stance
> "we know what's good for you, just you sit still until we fix it for you".

Did someone say this? You didn't quote anyone saying this.

Most of these folks don't need to know about the complexities of the
computer system. They want to get a paper out. This should involve
starting the program, typing, occasionally changing the format, and
then printing.

Unfortunately, most of the time what they really do is something like
this:

Start the program. Discover that for whatever reason, the program
won't start. Call tech support. Tech support works with them for
several hours. Finally it starts after 5 reboots. They type for a
while. Try to make a header bold and larger. The computer prints
really ugly characters. Call tech support, Oh, I need ATM, or a new
font.

Curse, curse, curse.

The fact is, despite great advances, computers a still a pain to use
for most folks. Hell, they are a pain to use for experienced folks,
just ask any admin who has had to try and switch from SunOS to
Solaris.

One "innovation" I could do without: Icon palates. These generally are
not very clear. Case in point: On the MetroWerks IDE for Macintosh, no
one could identify the icon for Save As. For whatever reason it was a
lifesaver. Why? Who knows.

> you live in your graphical user interface world with colors and idiots for
> users.  I prefer people who can communicate and think in words.  I have

> that feeling carries over into computing.  pointing is for people who have
> yet to discover _thought_.  in my view.  you obviously disagree, but you

> people who feel _disenfranchised_ by the now point-and-click "interaction"
> you want to make the universal mode of communication with a computer.

Oh yes, that is a great demonstration of your open mindedness.

> this has nothing to do with any Emacsen, anymore, but I just want you (and
> others) to know your "natural urge" nonsense is disputed by _individuals_
> who don't actually _like_ your "interaction for dummies".  and for those
> who are inclined to point and not think: this is an example of how one

Wow, what a nice prejudice against the visually oriented. It may come
as a shock to you, but some of the greatest minds in history and in
computing, who are fantastic writers and thinkers, have been known to
prefer to point at things instead of describing them. That way, they
don't have to waste time formulating the words of how to describe a
paragraph, and can instead concentrate of the contents of the
paragraph as a set of concepts.

So, nyah. :-)

> a word says more than a thousand images.

Which one?

And the funny thing is, I like Gnu emacs better, mainly because I have
been using it for 10 years.
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Hi,
	Is there a free emacs editor that I can download for my PC? I'm 
using Windows 95.
	And, BTW, does xemacs have the same commands as emacs?  Or will I 
have to relearn everything if I switch to using xemacs?

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From: Martin Buchholz <mrb@Eng.Sun.COM>
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As one of the XEmacs developers, I'd like to respond to some of Erik's
claims:

- data abstraction - in a world where things are implemented as
  integers, (eq a b) can be true if objects a and b are completely
  unrelated.  This is less likely to happen with XEmacs lisp.

- Commmon Lisp functions - XEmacs' way is to use the cl package.  It
  provided `setf' and `defstruct', as requested by Erik.
  Ironically, it is implemented completely in lisp, and might be a
  better performer with some C support.  (I could never understand why
  trivial but useful macros like `when' were not available to the
  Emacs Lisp programmer in 1985).

- I am one of the people for whom editing is a lifestyle, but I still
  prefer XEmacs.  

- Building an environment that is usable out of the box is a Good
  Thing.  I am surprised that Erik would consider having an Emacs that
  requires customization to be useful to a novice is better than one
  that `just works'.  The defaults for XEmacs are `prettier' than
  Emacs, and I think XEmacs should move even further in this
  direction.  For example, font-lock-mode should default to `on'.

I think XEmacs and Emacs both have a lot to offer.  I want them both
to continue getting better.  I love Emacs.  I love Richard Stallman.
I even love Erik Naggum.

Martin

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adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams) writes:

> 
> Gary Beckmann (gary@radionics.com) wrote:
> 
> : Just more info.  I'm not sure about highlighted items, but when the
> : slow down has happened over the last few days, acting on this tip I
> : iconified the other frames -- and the slowdown would go away.
> 
> I've noticed something of a slowdown under HP-UX 10.  I haven't looked
> at it very hard, but it appears that if you have a buffer showing in
> more than one frame, Xemacs slows down to a crawl.

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stopping when new input is available.

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-no-site-file (not that we have anything in our site startup file)
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10.01 and 10.10

Regards

Paul.

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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Riocreux <p.riocreux@shef.ac.uk> writes:

Peter> I am attempting to set-up and maintain both GNU Emacs and
Peter> XEmacs on the same system, and I am sure there must be a lot of
Peter> common lisp code, as some of the packages must be synced.

There is, but not on a file by file basis.  There is not a
particularly good synch between XEmacs 19.14 and GNU Emacs 19.34, most
of the 19.34 code is newer.  I did the synch up of XEmacs 19.15 lisp
with Emacs 19.34 and found depressingly many files with a handful of
lines changed here and there.

Peter> Would anyone care to share with me a strategy for combining
Peter> bith the lisp directories (by soft links or otherwise) to
Peter> ensure that only identical files are eliminated, and that it is
Peter> easy to maintain after upgrades etc.

Peter> Ideally I suppose I want to have both binaries search both
Peter> directories, but in opposite orders.  This would maintain
Peter> availability of all code, and ensure that the most appropriate
Peter> version is run for each of the emacsen, but I am not really
Peter> sure how to do this (ISTR that there are elisp files setting up
Peter> the paths...) and the elimination of duplication looks like a
Peter> nightmare.

It is.

Peter> Can anyone help me?

Your best bet is to keep the main distributions separate and use the
packages that came with their respective emacsen.  You can probably
get away with sharing site-lisp code, but you will need to byte
compile it with XEmacs.

In terms of preparing for an upgrade the only directory you should be
modifying files in is the site-lisp directory
(/usr/local/share/emacs/19.34/site-lisp or /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp).

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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*  <hacksaw@user1.channel1.com>
| Many programmers I have talked to say that their productivity went up
| once they were able to use an editor with syntax coloring.

you missed the point entirely.  various people say that "color improves
programmer productivity", "color and graphics help people communicate with
computers", and other _universal_ statements about _all_ users.  I object
to this because it is _not_ universalizable, and the programmers and other
users who do _not_ improve their productivity with _lots_ of irrelevant
sensory input, new and application-specific symbolic languages (icons),
etc, should not be sacrificed to the "let's pretend all people are the
same" that greatly improves the profit margin of companies who can sell
billions of copies of the same program all over the globe, instead of
having the machine adapt to the user.  whether we are ruled by a program
that a majority or a minority of users object to is irrelevant -- the fact
remains tha programs should not rule people.  a pretty dictator is no
better than an ugly one as far as freedom is concerned.

I'm reminded of the old philosophical discussion about swans.  "all swans
are white", was the proposition after someone had only seen white swans.
"no, that's not true", would be a legitimate objection by one who had seen
a black swan.  if, at this point, some _idiot_ should object with "are you
saying that NO swan is white!?", all hope of resolution would evaporate.
and that is _exactly_ what it is like to tell people that "no, not all
people find color and graphics and lots of icons and mouse clicking to be
beneficial".

the point in this whole exercise to make people aware that people are not
all exactly the same.  individual preferences that may account for less
than 10% of the population should not be ruled out with "sorry, you can't
use a modern computer as efficient as the next guy, so you'll be unemployed
in our modern future".  computers should not demand a particular kind of
people no more than any other _universal_ tool should.

to those who have asked: no, I'm not blind, colorblind, or hard of seeing.
if, however, I were, I would object even _more_ strongly to the claims
(effectively) made by soi disant user interface designers that people with
visual challenges have nothing to do in the modern world.  this is the
first time in history when a blind person's intellect can come to full use
without regard to the disability.  however, GUI designers, WWW designers,
etc, are actively at work to reduce their chances to succeed and to utilize
their talents so much that they are left behind _completely_, and their
situation is much worsened by those _modern_ "user interfaces".

the user interface should be an issue between the individual user and his
computer (i.e., _total_ customizability), _not_ an issue between a vendor
and the most profitable _class_ of users, at the expense of all other
users.  optimize too much for X, and you lose the necessary flexibility.
due to the Emacs/XEmacs split on the user interface, and the _stupid_ need
for the splitters to break everything else in the process, we have yet a
long way to go to abstract out the user interface so mouse-clicking users
can benefit as much as typing users can.

five years ago or so, I wrote an article to comp.lang.c about the _massive_
difference between "user input" and "program input".  I subsequently lost
the article, but it seems even more important today: I would like to see
all applications talk in a language reasonable for program input, and then
build user interface who talk that language to the application on the one
hand and does its thing towards the user on the other.

I already said in my first message in this thread that XEmacs is more
suited to people who like graphics and such, and David Hughes found that
insulting, but my gripe with XEmacs is not about the user interface (about
which I could hardly care less, as long as I can choose something else),
but about the careless breaking of the rest of Emacs.  _that_ is the
extremely annoying aspect to XEmacs.  if they had done it right, we could
have had one Emacs with two different user interfaces (and then more would
be easy to add).  however, they did it wrong, and we now have two Emacsen
where the rest of Emacs is also different.  how _incredibly_ stupid!

#\Erik
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>>>>> On 08 Nov 1996, Srinivas Maddhi <smaddhi@ccad.uiowa.edu> said:

Srinivas> When I do a C-h v on the variable tab-width it reports its
Srinivas> value as 4.  But, when I hit the TAB key in the buffer I get
Srinivas> a tab 8 spaces wide.

    Documentation for tab-width:
    * Distance between tab stops (for display of tab characters), in
    columns.  Automatically becomes buffer-local when set in any
    fashion.

  In plain english this is the width of tab columns.  This is very
handy for program sources indenting: set tab-width to your preferred
indentation width in programming modes.  Magically, a lot of other
people's sources will be indented to your liking !

Srinivas> However, tab stop list is (8 16 24 32 40 48 56 64 72 80 88
Srinivas> 96 104 112 120)

    Documentation for tab-stop-list:
    * List of tab stop positions used by `tab-to-tab-stops'.  This
    should be a list of integers, ordered from smallest to largest.

  This mean that tab-to-tab-stops may insert several tab's to get to
the required position.  This what you want to change if your using
this function to tabulate, like in text mode.

Srinivas> So, do I need to change both tab-width and tab-stop-list to
Srinivas> 4 and (4 8 12 ...) to be able to get a tab-width of 4 ?

  Here is a little helper:

(defun my-make-tab-stop-list (n &optional col)
  "Build a list suitable for a `tab-stop-list' of constant column width N.
Always call with a _single_ argument N > 0."
  (let ((inc (or col n)))
    (if (< n 121)			; We have to stop somewhere
	(cons n (my-make-tab-stop-list (+ n inc) inc)))))
(setq tab-stop-list (my-make-tab-stop-list tab-width))

  IMHO tab-width should be set to 8 in text mode so that tables, right
justification etc... work ok nearly everywhere.

Kim-Minh.

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From: Ryszard Tanas <tanas@zon1.physd.amu.edu.pl>
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Subject: processp, nil
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 15:35:34 +0100
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When I try to strip ^M characters in XEmacs 19.14 using
M-x comint-strip-ctrl-m I get the message: Wrong type argument:
processp, nil
Can somebody tell me what is wrong in my configuration?
Thanks for any clues.
Ryszard
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From: Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux

	Please, could you correct this error, so that
	I stoip chasing ghosts, because I usually trus bytecompiler
	(I use XE one solely, because it's better that Emacs to
	find bugs ! )

	Without the 'setq' there is no warnings and that is strange.
	The 'a' is used later on in another 'let' statement

	/jari



[this is false error]
While compiling test in file /users/jaalto/T.el:
  ** variable a bound but not referenced

(defun test ()
  (let (a)
    ;; Variable a defined
    ;; variable a used
    (setq a t)
    (if t
	(let ((b (if a t))
	      )
	  ;; code continues
	  ;;
	  ))))

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From: ekatz <ekatz@attmail.att.com>
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Subject: Javascript mode
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 20:04:56 -0500
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Is there a Javascript mode or an extention of the HTML mode to support
Javascript?

Thanks,
Gene Katz
(ekatz@attmail.att.com)

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Mark Hood (hood@eng.sun.com) wrote:
> OTOH, I moved from XEmacs 19.11 to GNU Emacs 19.34 and that was *definitely*
> an upgrade.  My major motivations were performance, availability of an OS/2
> PM version in addition to X Windows, ability to use a terminal, and the
> sponsorship of the FSF.
> It seems that XEmacs now supports terminals.  In what version did that

Then take a look at XEmacs 19.14.  It definitely supports terminals,
and quite a lot of stuff.  It is still slower than GNU Emacs 19.34,
but 19.34 could hardly be called an "upgrade" to XEmacs.

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> learning _languages_ (case in point: XEmacs calls its Lisp an "API", Emacs
> calls its Lisp a programming _language_).  David Hughes felt _insulted_ by

Nonsense, Erik, nonsense.  This is from Lispref introduction:

     Most of the XEmacs text editor is written in the programming
  language called XEmacs Lisp.  You can write new code in XEmacs Lisp and
  install it as an extension to the editor.  However, XEmacs Lisp is more
  than a mere "extension language"; it is a full computer programming
  language in its own right.  You can use it as you would any other
  programming language.

To quote your own words, Erik:
"just quit lying, and there will no longer be a need to correct your lies.
it's as simple as that." (message-id <3056208803488615@naggum.no>)

-- 
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Tuan Vo (vott@hg.uleth.ca) wrote:
> 	Is there a free emacs editor that I can download for my PC? I'm 
> using Windows 95.

Yes, GNU Emacs 19.34 works native on win95.

> 	And, BTW, does xemacs have the same commands as emacs?  Or will I 
> have to relearn everything if I switch to using xemacs?

No, of course you won't.  The interface, as appearing to the user is
mostly the same (if somewhat nicer-looking).

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Scott Evans (gse@ocsystems.com) wrote:
> I have a question then, for people that use both often: am I going to drive
> myself crazy trying to port my 1100-line .emacs file to FSF Emacs?  And

It depends on what you do in your .emacs.  I have a 250-line .emacs
and 138-line .gnus, and they work on both Emacsen with hardly an if.

> will it be a dreadful task trying to get it configured so it behaved pretty
> much in the manner I'm accustomed (i.e. XEmacs)?  I don't *need* buttonbars
> and all that, I'm more concerned about keystrokes, behavior differences,
> and elisp incompatibilities.  In short, I want to make sure I won't have
> to learn a completely different tool to do this, since that's not my
> goal.  Really, my goal is to have XEmacs on Win95, but since I can't do
> that I'll make my goal "having *some* real emacs on win95".

I think you'll be quite satisfied with GNU Emacs.  The behaviour
differences are minimal to a simple user, and keystrokes aren't a
problem if you just follow the FAQ guidelines.  For example, things
like:
(global-set-key [f2] 'save-buffer)
now work on both Emacsen without problems.

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* Hrvoje Niksic
| but 19.34 could hardly be called an "upgrade" to XEmacs.

when you read arguments like this, check the X-Mailer header of the poster.
it is important for many XEmacs users to snub Emacs, for no good reason.

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* Hrvoje Niksic
| Nonsense, Erik, nonsense.

is it safe to assume that this is the most important point you could bring
up at this time?  is it safe to assume that you have found nothing else to
argue about?  if so, that's pretty good, don't you think?

please watch Emacs and XEmacs developers talk about Lisp.  I have.  if they
talk about an "API", they have consistently been XEmacs developers.  fact
is, XEmacs cares about internal implementation details (abstract/opaque
data types) and interfaces to them -- that's why they had to break with the
way Emacs did it to implement their "improved" version.  fact is, Emacs is
perfectly content to provide a C stratum for Emacs Lisp to run on, and to
_think_ in Lisp.  in XEmacs, types are i C.  in Emacs, types are in Lisp.
(this is a coarse generalization, of course.)  in consequence, XEmacs does
sport an "API" to its opaque types, while Emacs does not need to.

_again_, if opaque data types were as hot as they are supposed to be, how
come XEmacs Lisp has no `defstruct' or `defclass'?  if modularity and such
is so important, how come XEmacs has not implemented a package system to
distinguish between internal and external symbols in a package, and still
use the prefix-every-name-with-its-package-name deal?  the only conclusion
that can be drawn is that encapsulation, abstraction, etc, are _not_ good
ideas in Lisp, but instead are used as a means to make the code harder to
understand and change for programmers that the XEmacs developers don't
trust.  (this latter point was made _explicitly_ by Ben Wing earlier.)  of
course, if "trust" is an issue, how much can you trust people who willingly
and on purpose breaks existing code because it is in some irrelvant way
"wrong"?  I can understand that they don't want this to happen _again_, but
it's ludicrous to argue against what renegade programmers can break when
the dangers they try to fend off are mainly their own creation.

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> * Hrvoje Niksic
> | Nonsense, Erik, nonsense.
> is it safe to assume that this is the most important point you could bring
> up at this time?  is it safe to assume that you have found nothing else to
> argue about?  if so, that's pretty good, don't you think?

No, Erik, of course not.  I have only corrected a most blatant lie.
It is not nitpicking, as you would have it.

<<
another very useful item in judging Emacs vs XEmacs is to look very
carefully at how they approach the Lisp code: in Emacs, it is a real
programming language, and the C is just support code for it, whereas in
XEmacs, you find people talking about the "API" all the time, and they are
>>

As you can see, your mentioning of "API" was within a context, and it
helped to prove a point.  The fact of unveiling the lie does not
necessarily make the whole point invalid, but it does degrade the
credibility of the article writer.

What you are doing, Erik, is finding the motes in other people's eyes,
while you don't see the beams in your own eyes.  That was the point I
made, and you know it very well.

> please watch Emacs and XEmacs developers talk about Lisp.  I have.  if they
> talk about an "API", they have consistently been XEmacs developers.  fact

I have grepped the XEmacs reference manual for the word "API", and
found it only within the context of Tooltalk support.

> course, if "trust" is an issue, how much can you trust people who willingly
> and on purpose breaks existing code because it is in some irrelvant way
> "wrong"?  I can understand that they don't want this to happen _again_, but

The same thing was done by GNU Emacs developers, many times.  Look at
relevant posts by Barry Warsav in this thread.

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From: Remigiusz Trzaska <rtrzaska@turais.npac.syr.edu>
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Come on, people... over 40 messages out of total 332 in the
comp.emacs.xemacs newsgroup. Don't you have anything more interesting
to do? I'm glad gnus uses scoring:

L s e p (lower on subject exactly matching -- permanently)

Remek


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* Hrvoje Niksic
| What you are doing, Erik, is finding the motes in other people's eyes,
| while you don't see the beams in your own eyes.  That was the point I
| made, and you know it very well.

this is getting to be _really_ stupid.  if you wish to disprove my point
that XEmacs developers and users refer to, think about, and interact with
what they themselves call the "API" to C-level internals, you have to show
that this is not the case, not that they do not _always_ do it, which I
have never claimed.  since you mentioned Barry Warsaw and "grep", grep his
messages for "API" while you're grep'ing.

you seem to be excessively interested in individual words, instead of
trying to understand what is being said.  (just as you obviously find it
more important to count negative words than detect negative meaning, you
use _grep_, of all irrelevant tools, to argue against a distinction in
attitudes towards a programming language.)  the very _nature_ of "abstract/
opaque data types" requires "API"s.  the _concept_ of an "API" was invented
by the same guys who invented them.  now, for primitive types, this is only
ridiculous.  for complex constructions, it's _wrong_.  e.g., `let' is not
an "API" to the stack-unwinding facility of the Emacs Lisp machine, it's a
binding form.  if you think C-level implementation, you will have to think
about `let' as a complicated `unwind-protect' form that resets a variable
to its old value upon exit from the form, regardless of how that exit
should take place.  however, that is not a useful way to think about `let'
forms, even if you were implementing them.

likewise, programmers should not think in terms of manipulating _types_,
they should think in terms of getting things done.  the type-centric view
of programming is at odds with dynamic types in the first place.  in Emacs
Lisp (and other Lisps), you _don't_ know which types your arguments have
until you check them, and you don't check unless you need to.  in XEmacs,
there are hundreds of functions that access data structures according to
their type, and _not_ according to the role of the data or the function it
has for that type.  this is _exactly_ how one would expect a C++-programmer
to implement types, and very foreign to Lisp programmers.  (for a wider
example of the distinction: C/C++ programmers think about object
orientation in terms of objects that "have" functions.  in the Common Lisp
Object System, object-orientation is in terms of generic functions whose
behavior is specialized on objects of differing kinds.)  I take it that the
XEmacs folks don't appreciate Lisp's dynamic typing, and thus want to
impose the silly notion of static typing on XEmacs, too, mostly because
it's so disgustingly "trendy".  again, who _cares_ whether the code inside
is trendy or not, except people with a _marketing_ agenda?  it's as if some
marketing "genius" had invented a sticker that said "abstract data types
inside" that would make all the hype-pushers all excited about _nothing_.

| I have grepped the XEmacs reference manual for the word "API", and
| found it only within the context of Tooltalk support.

you missed "annotation API functions" within the context of extents.  as
long as you wish to fuss about minutiae, at least get them right.

| > course, if "trust" is an issue, how much can you trust people who willingly
| > and on purpose breaks existing code because it is in some irrelvant way
| > "wrong"?  I can understand that they don't want this to happen _again_, but
| 
| The same thing was done by GNU Emacs developers, many times.  Look at
| relevant posts by Barry Warsav in this thread.

you seem to be utterly unable to _understand_.  most of the other people
who continue this thread at least understand what's going on.  happily,
those who only count negative words or see only flaming must have utilized
their kill or score files, but _you_ misunderstand and argue completely
irrelevant points, constantly.  this leads me to conclude that you have no
substantial disagreement, and only want petty arguments.

Emacs breaks existing code _very_ seldom, and only when there is very good
reason to do so, such as because of a reported bug.  whoever reported bugs
in the design of keymaps or the syntax of keybindings?  these were changes
made for some misguided "puristic" idea, and broke code BECAUSE IT WAS IN
SOME _IRRELEVANT_ WAY "WRONG".  get it?  I will argue that every time Emacs
has made a change that was not backwardly compatible, there was a very
specific reason to do it, and most of the time it broke working code, it
was because that working code had taken liberties about internals.  (Ben
Wing argued vociferously that people taking advantage of knowledge of
internals is a good reason to make such knowledge hard to obtain.  I
maintain that Emacs programmers form a community of people who should let
eachother learn and understand and thus avoid such errors through the good
will of cooperation.  if, however, your default mode of thinking is
competition, people will work in isolation and not work together.)  lots of
changes were made to XEmacs because it would be easier to program the thing
if things were different, but that's implementation details that should not
affect users, unless, of course, your focus is on APIs instead of
programming languages.

I find it incomprehensible that somebody should at all want to make a whole
lot of fuss about this.  the XEmacs marketing includes a lot of hype about
abstract/opaque data types.  XEmacs have hundreds of functions that deal
with access to datatypes unique to XEmacs.  this _is_ the API concept!

#\Erik
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Mike Humski (mhk@rahul.net) wrote:
: Is emacs inferior to xemacs?

Though I won't even attempt to answer this question, I do wish that both
sides would create fewer incompatibilities with each other.  IMHO, _both_
sides are incredibly arrogant.  GNU Emacs should recognize that XEmacs
exists; if XEmacs adds a new feature, then if GNU Emacs adds the same
feature, they should do it in a compatible way.  OTOH, XEmacs should realize
that their roots are in GNU Emacs, and quit bitching about how RMS doesn't
see things the same way that they do.

What it comes down to is that I, as a user, don't care.  I want something
that works, is (at least mostly) bug-free, and runs quickly.  (I still find
myself using VI for over 50% of my text-editing needs, even though I _hate_
it and would much rather use Emacs, simply because both Emacsen are too
slow!  This on a PPro 200 w/64 Megs!!!)

My vision for the future of both Emacs' is for me to have all lisp files,
and all other support files, identical for both programs, and simply have
the binaries for both programs on my system.  I can certainly spare 10
megs extra to have both binaries, but I have a hard time justifying ~50
megs apiece for Emacs and XEmacs.

I say, let both emacs' live.  Just make them live in the same house :)

- Tom Kludy (tkludy@engin.umich.edu)     | #include <std_dislaimer.h>
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>>>>> "Jon" == Jon Schneider <jschneider@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:

Jon> Not very long ago there was a really useful stress relieving
Jon> feature in Xemacs where if you frantically clicked somewhere in
Jon> the minibuffer area you would get the friendly message 'BLAT
Jon> FOOP'. I'm not sure if this feature was removed between versions
Jon> 19.13 and 19.14 or just expired at a certain date. Anyhow I do
Jon> miss it, and was wondering if anybody could shed some light on
Jon> it.

(You learn something new every day ...)

They're still there.  Examine prim/modeline.el for details.

The comments say:

               ;; cough sputter hack kludge.  It shouldn't be possible
               ;; to get in here when we are over the minibuffer.  But
               ;; it is happening and that cause next-vertical-window to
               ;; return nil which does not lead to window-height returning
               ;; anything remotely resembling a sensible value.  So catch
               ;; the situation and die a happy death.
               ;;
               ;; Oh, and the BLAT FOOP error messages suck as well but
               ;; I don't know what should be there.  This should be
               ;; looked at again when the new redisplay is done.

They're probably gone because the bug they were working around has
been fixed ...
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From: pete@rayleigh.TT.AFTAC.GOV (Pete Geenhuizen)
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I've just compiled and installed Xemacs 19.14 on Solaris 2.5.1 with CDE, 
I also have X11R6 installed.

The compile and install went without any problems, and all's well except 
that Xemacs complains about pixmap to Strings conversion, I also see 
problems with Italic fonts.

Sun's solution to the font problems is "Don't use Italic fonts" which seems
pretty lame to me.

So how's the best way to compile and install Xemacs 19.14 to avoid the 
minor but annoying errors or this something you have to live with?

Thanks

Pete

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First, yes, I read the XEmacs and the Emacs FAQ's and I
couldn't find any references to the following question:

Is it possible to have a minibuffer in its own frame?
If it is possible, what would be the elisp be to put in
my .emacs?  (I am running XEmacs v19.14)

.dave.
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>>>>> "Jari" == Jari Aalto <jaalto@tre.tele.nokia.fi> writes:

Jari> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux
Jari> 	Please, could you correct this error, so that
Jari> 	I stoip chasing ghosts, because I usually trus bytecompiler
Jari> 	(I use XE one solely, because it's better that Emacs to

Please call it XEmacs, thanks.

Jari> 	find bugs ! )

Jari> 	Without the 'setq' there is no warnings and that is strange.

This is correct behavior.

Jari> 	The 'a' is used later on in another 'let' statement

The XEmacs bytecompiler optimizes by default, and at least for the
example you gave, it's bogus code (or you have false expectations
about the resulting byte code) in that the binding for b is never used
so it is optimized away.  The setq is similarly dead code, so it is
eliminated as well.

The reason why the error message goes away when you eliminate the
source setq is that all the code is optimized away then. :-)

It probably should optimize away all the code in either event, and
that could be considered a bug, but one I doubt we'll fix soon ...

Compare with the code:
(defun test ()
  (let (a)
    ;; Variable a defined
    ;; variable a used
    (setq a t)
    (if t
	(let ((b (if a t))
	      )
	  ;; code continues
	  (princ b)
	  (terpri)
	  ))))

Which bytecompiles without warnings as it should.

Jari> [this is false error]

;;; This version of the byte compiler has the following improvements:
;;;  + optimization of compiled code:
;;;    - removal of unreachable code;
;;;    - removal of calls to side-effectless functions whose return-value
;;;      is unused;
 ...
;;;    - peephole optimization of emitted code;
 ...
;;;  o  If the optimizer deletes a variable reference, we might be left with
;;;     a bound-but-not-referenced warning.  Generally this is ok, but not if
;;;     it's a synergistic result of macroexpansion.  Need some way to note
;;;     that a varref is being optimized away?  Of course it would be nice to
;;;     optimize away the binding too, someday, but it's unsafe today.


Also compare the results you get when you add this statement.

(eval-when-compile (setq byte-optimize nil))

You then get:

While compiling test in file /tmp/T.el:
  ** variable b bound but not referenced

Which again, is the Right Thing to do.

Jari> While compiling test in file /users/jaalto/T.el:
Jari>   ** variable a bound but not referenced

Jari> (defun test ()
Jari>   (let (a)
Jari>     ;; Variable a defined
Jari>     ;; variable a used
Jari>     (setq a t)
Jari>     (if t
Jari> 	(let ((b (if a t))
Jari> 	      )
Jari> 	  ;; code continues
Jari> 	  ;;
Jari> 	  ))))

The XEmacs bytecompiler is smarter than it looks.  :-)

Hope this helps.
-- 
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Steven L. Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Jari> 	The 'a' is used later on in another 'let' statement
> The XEmacs bytecompiler optimizes by default, and at least for the
> example you gave, it's bogus code (or you have false expectations
> about the resulting byte code) in that the binding for b is never used
> so it is optimized away.  The setq is similarly dead code, so it is
> eliminated as well.

A slight addendum: Jaari, it is *very* instructing to use
'disassemble.  Type `M-x disassemble RET test RET', and you will see
many interesting things about the bytecompiler and the way it works.
Your function, when disassembled, looks like this:

byte code for test:
  args: nil
0	constant  nil
1	varbind	  a
2	constant  t
3	varset	  a
4	unbind	  1
5	constant  nil
6	return	  

As you can see, 'a is bound (and set), but never referenced.  Now it
is quite obvious why the compiler issues the warning.

-- 
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EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>

 EN> Emacs breaks existing code _very_ seldom, and only when there is very
 EN> good reason to do so, such as because of a reported bug.

Why, then, does Emacs reimplement XEmacs's "teach-extended-commands-p" as
"suggest-key-bindings"?

Why did ange-ftp's support for non-UNIX ftp servers disappear?

Why was code that tested system-type potentially broken (temporarily,
since that problem has been fixed) for a couple versions?  (The original
change was not "because of a reported bug".)

-- 
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> hold down a letter key, the characters appear one at a time even
> though the machine can't keep up with the auto-repeat (letters keep
> appearing after I release the key).

For what it's worth, I obtain a similar effect simply by moving the
curson over text; the cursor moves one letter at a time, and it keeps
moving after I release the key.

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In article <kigu3qzw5bt.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>,
Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:

> Then take a look at XEmacs 19.14.  It definitely supports terminals,
> and quite a lot of stuff.  It is still slower than GNU Emacs 19.34,
> but 19.34 could hardly be called an "upgrade" to XEmacs.

Different people need different things.  If speed is a factor, 19.34
is an upgrade.  If correct display on a Linux console is important
19.34 is an upgrade (could be ncurses fault, but the point is, 19.34
does not have that error).  If separate minibuffers are important, 19.34
is an upgrade.  If imenu is important, 19.34 is an upgrade.

There are a number of reasons 19.34 could be considered an upgrade to
XEmacs 19.14.  It depends on what you want.

	Jan D.


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Jan D. (Jan.Djarv@mbox200.swipnet.se) wrote:
> In article <kigu3qzw5bt.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>,
> Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
> > Then take a look at XEmacs 19.14.  It definitely supports terminals,
> > and quite a lot of stuff.  It is still slower than GNU Emacs 19.34,
> > but 19.34 could hardly be called an "upgrade" to XEmacs.
> Different people need different things.  If speed is a factor, 19.34
> is an upgrade.  If correct display on a Linux console is important
> 19.34 is an upgrade (could be ncurses fault, but the point is, 19.34
> does not have that error).  If separate minibuffers are important, 19.34

Neither does XEmacs 19.14, AFAIK.  Have you checked the latest
version?

> There are a number of reasons 19.34 could be considered an upgrade to
> XEmacs 19.14.  It depends on what you want.

Just as there are a number of reasons 19.14 could be an "upgrade" to
GNU 19.34.  I think "upgrade" is definitely a wrong term -- e.g. both
are upgrades from Emacs 18.  We can talk about differences, though.

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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* Christopher Davis
| Why, then, does Emacs reimplement XEmacs's "teach-extended-commands-p" as
| "suggest-key-bindings"?

since this and similar questions are raised quite often by disgruntled
XEmacs workers, I'd like to know why you don't ask the question more
important to one who would like to _understand_ instead of _bitch_: "did
whoever who implemented `suggest-key-bindings' know that the feature
existed in XEmacs under another name?"

`suggest-key-bindings' was implemented 1995-10-02, as per the ChangeLog.
when was `teach-extended-commands-p' implemented?  I can't find any
ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
-p convention for a _variable_?)

in case you wish to have me answer all sorts of weird questions, I have
never made any attempt to speak for or on behalf of the Emacs maintainers
or RMS or the FSF or anything like that -- I clearly don't know everything
you might want to know and my not knowing is not evidence in either
direction.

e.g., I understand that ange-ftp was handled by RMS in a way that made Andy
Norman sorely pissed at him.  consequently, efs will not make it into
Emacs.  this fact alone tells me that I should be careful not to draw
conclusions before I have heard both sides.  in this case, I have not even
heard _one_ of the sides properly.  I also don't know anything about the
timing of the supposed disappearance of these features.  it seems to me,
however, that this particular argument has been used for at _least_ three
years.  its relevance may have expired.

however, is it in fact true that such support has disappeared?  where can I
find the source that Andy Norman gave to RMS, and where is the first
version where the support has supposedly disappeared?  and what is the
state today?

#\Erik
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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> * Christopher Davis
> | Why, then, does Emacs reimplement XEmacs's "teach-extended-commands-p" as
> | "suggest-key-bindings"?
> whoever who implemented `suggest-key-bindings' know that the feature
> existed in XEmacs under another name?"

It was/is quite trivial to check (there are NEWS files, and similar).
XEmacs developers regularly check for new features in GNU Emacs, and
do their best to implement them compatibly.

> `suggest-key-bindings' was implemented 1995-10-02, as per the ChangeLog.
> when was `teach-extended-commands-p' implemented?  I can't find any
> ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
> -p convention for a _variable_?)

teach-extended-commands-p was in 19.13, which was released before that
date.  It was probably in 19.12 too.

> e.g., I understand that ange-ftp was handled by RMS in a way that made Andy
> Norman sorely pissed at him.  consequently, efs will not make it into
> Emacs.  this fact alone tells me that I should be careful not to draw
> conclusions before I have heard both sides.  in this case, I have not even

Fair enough.  I'd like some background on ange-ftp issues too.  I
think there was a file telling about this somewhere...

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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>>>>> Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) wrote:

    Jon> I find it utterly impossible to enter a C-q C-j.  If I do
    Jon> this for other letters, say C-q C-w then I get a little "^W"
    Jon> on my screen.  I however I do this for C-q C-j then I
    Jon> actually get a physical new line.  This plays havoc when
    Jon> entering a regexp with this in the middle.  I want a "^J".
    Jon> do other people get a "^J".

>>>>> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> replied:

    Hrvoje> So what if you get a newline?  You wanted a newline,
    Hrvoje> didn't you?  So you have it.  It doesn't prevent you from
    Hrvoje> editing the buffer, and definitely makes no "havoc".

>>>>> On 8 Nov 1996 09:44:44 +0100, Jon Mountjoy (jon@fwi.uva.nl) answers:

    Jon> No I don't want a newline.  What I want is a *representation*
    Jon> of a newline.

    Jon> (In vi ^VEnter gives you a newline representation, ^M) What
    Jon> we want is the equivalent in Emacs.

  This is not the same definition of newline you mentioned earlier,
you were mentionning C-j.  Emacs does display C-q RET as ^M.  By
default Emacs correctly displays newlines as newlines.  To use buggy
^J display, do (standard-display-ascii 10 "^J").  Use
(standard-display-default 10 10) to go back to normal.

  I just tried ^V^J in vi, and get a ^J: it displays ^J's read from a
file differently than ^J's read from keyboard.  Now how do I change
this ^J into a (real) new line ? :-)

    Jon> Just like ^ represente the start of a line in a regexp, I
    Jon> want ^J to represent a newline in a regexp.  What do I get
    Jon> instead?  A real new line in the middle of a regexp statement
    Jon> or lisp file.  It certainly does cause havoc!

  In lisp files you can write \n for if you want this kind of
representation.  It's a good solution as you can save the file and
still see those \n after reloading it.

  If you just this weird behavior in the minibuffer, try:

(defun my-minibuffer-setup ()
  (standard-display-ascii ?\n "^J" (current-buffer)))
(add-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook 'my-minibuffer-setup)

  I still don't know see how you could mix representation within the
same buffer under Emacs.

Kim-Minh.

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Hello,

What wrong here?

As long as I am using xemacs and gnus I get this irritating error:
whenever I try tto post a news article, I get the following
debugmessage:

-8<-----
Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
  mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk")
  message-user-mail-address()
  message-make-fqdn()
  message-make-message-id()
  message-generate-headers((From Newsgroups Subject Date Message-ID (optional .
Organization) Lines (optional . X-Newsreader)))
  message-send-news(nil)
  message-send(nil)
  message-send-and-exit(nil)
  call-interactively(message-send-and-exit)
-8<--


Where should I start looking to get rid of this?

Any help would be appreciated !

Hasta!
T.




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Is it possible to have the minibuffer in its own frame?
If so could someone point out to me where the elisp code is
located.

I am running Xemacs 19.14.

Thank you,
.dave.

--
=   David Hisel -- ACM President, U of I Local Chapter    =
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 (ozgurluk@xs4all.nl) wrote:
> Hello,
> What wrong here?
> As long as I am using xemacs and gnus I get this irritating error:
> whenever I try tto post a news article, I get the following
> debugmessage:
> -8<-----
> Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
>   mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk")

What version of Gnus are you running?  Try to evaluate
(mail-extract-address-components "tabe@ozgurluk")

For me it evaluates to
(nil "tabe@ozgurluk")

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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main(){printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}

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RMS posted some time ago that the only real advantage that XEmacs had
over Emacs was variable width fonts, which BTW you can use for menus:

! Lucid X toolkit options for Emacs 19.30+

Emacs.pane.menubar.font:   -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-124-iso8859-1
Emacs.shell.menu*.font:   -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-124-iso8859-1

Does anyone have more up-to-date info?  I know XEmacs can import X
pixel graphics, but I'm not exactly sure what that would be good for. 

I'm no expert on XEmacs, but I do prefer the Emacs mouse interface.
For reasons of Motif compliance, XEmacs has much less functionality.

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* Hrvoje Niksic
| It was/is quite trivial to check (there are NEWS files, and similar).
| XEmacs developers regularly check for new features in GNU Emacs, and
| do their best to implement them compatibly.

so you assume guilt on your opponent's part because you think he neglects
out of ill will to do something you _have_ to do because _you_ decided to
split out to begin with?  such is not justice.

I am left to assume that you have no _knowledge_ of that which could be the
basis for your accusations.  I assume further that the accusations are
baseless and groundless and that similar accusations will be of similarly
little value if the first question is not asked, namely "how do you know it
was intentional?".  remember, XEmacs ceased to _exist_ as an input source
after what the XEmacs folks did to some Emacs folks.  you complain about it
when it suits you and ignore the fact when that suits you.  do you know why
I don't trust XEmacs folks?  I don't know when they are honest and when
they are dishonest.  I don't know when what they say is propaganda for the
masses (e.g., marketing) or developer-to-developer "internal information".

in the light of the complaints about how Emacs does not adopt new stuff in
XEmacs, I'd like to see the date IN THE PAST, for the implementation of
char-tables and bool-vectors in XEmacs.  they were added as basic types to
Emacs 1995-09-22.  what's your explanation for _those_ not being in 19.14?

| teach-extended-commands-p was in 19.13, which was released before that
| date.  It was probably in 19.12 too.

you mean, like, there _are_ no ChangeLogs in XEmacs?  why can't you _know_
the _exact_ date it was added, like I can by reading the Emacs ChangeLogs?
I found it incongruous that XEmacs came without ChangeLogs.  I'm inclined
to think that this is because they wish to hide information.

#\Erik
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In article <kig4tixzi2a.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>,
Hrvoje Niksic  <hniksic@srce.hr> wrote:
> Jan D. (Jan.Djarv@mbox200.swipnet.se) wrote:
> > Different people need different things.  If speed is a factor, 19.34
> > is an upgrade.  If correct display on a Linux console is important
> > 19.34 is an upgrade (could be ncurses fault, but the point is, 19.34
> > does not have that error).  If separate minibuffers are important, 19.34
> 
> Neither does XEmacs 19.14, AFAIK.  Have you checked the latest
> version?

Of ncurses?  The problem is that XEmacs tries to do both bold and
underline in some places (info for example).  Underline is not a real
underline, but a colour combination.  So is bold.  Just happens that
bold + underline gives white on white background i.e. nothing shows.

Is there a switch to get XEmacs in terminal mode to do just text,
i.e. no bold, no underline, no colour, no reverse video?

	Jan D.


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Steven L Baur wrote:
> Check the `Options->"Other Window" Location' menu on the menubar.

Thanks a lot,
Thomas
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> e.g., I understand that ange-ftp was handled by RMS in a way that made Andy
> Norman sorely pissed at him.  consequently, efs will not make it into
> Emacs.  this fact alone tells me that I should be careful not to draw
> conclusions before I have heard both sides.  in this case, I have not even
> heard _one_ of the sides properly.  I also don't know anything about the
> timing of the supposed disappearance of these features.  it seems to me,
> however, that this particular argument has been used for at _least_ three
> years.  its relevance may have expired.
> 
> however, is it in fact true that such support has disappeared?  where can I
> find the source that Andy Norman gave to RMS, and where is the first
> version where the support has supposedly disappeared?  and what is the
> state today?

Just what I have gathered from some communications: what RMS did with
ange-ftp while integrating it into Emacs 19 was to throw out all
functionality for accessing non-Unix ftp servers:  you cannot use
ange-ftp as included in Emacs 19 to access VMS ftp servers, or several
other brands.  The argumentation was, as far as I remember, that RMS
would not keep code in he could not test himself, and anyhow
considered support for non-Unix systems a non-priority.

efs will run with Emacs, but due to the massive changers with bad
consequences for the users RMS did to ange-ftp, Andy Norman is not
likely to sign the copyright to efs over to the FSF, and this probably
will make it unlikely that efs will ever be included in a standard
distribution of Emacs.  There are no hostilities involved here, but
just differences in opinion how packages contributed should be treated
to the best of other users.

This is what I gathered from several posts over here, and is just my
personal impression.  I hope I have not misrepresented something.

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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> * Steve Jones <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr>
[.. agreed that colour is not a _universal good_]
> 
> | If colour doesn't help why do humans have colour vision?  Why are traffic
> | lights Red/Amber/Green what information is inherent in these colours?
> 
> if you wish to universalize your argument, you need more than that.  a
> simple counterargument: I have over 1800 books, of which 50 or so have
> color illustrations.  am I unable to learn from the rest, or enjoy them?
> how come I find the imagery in good books better than the imagery in
> movies?  clearly, some people are more verbal than visual.  you, like most
> of the people who are unable to deal with natural variation in human
> preferences, want to stuff colors down my throat, and I have to pay for it
> in reduced resolution, more expensive displays, not to mention _larger_
> displays to handle 19" or 21" screen real estate.  have you asked me?  no,
> you _argue_ against _my_ preferences.  your arrogance is unbelievable!
> 

Now your being silly, I have not said that _you_ need this or _you_ need
that, I am saying that for the _majority_ of users a GUI is a preferable
mode of interaction.  Colours shouldn't be stuffed down peoples throats,
but colours do help.  Why are the books you read only in B/W ? Well
because they are printed using a technology that has its foundation over
500 years ago (2,000 if your Chinese).  Browse some HTML pages, the
links will be in a different colour/font than the surrounding text.
This gives additional information about the text.  I can think of
several examples where a book would be improved by HTML. Emma by Jane
Austen for instance requires several footnotes to inform the reader of
the difference in word and phrase usage between the time the book was
written and the modern day.  Several authors are using modern printing
methods to present the information in new ways (eg Irvin Welsh in
Maribou Stork).  Colour is one of these new ways.

As an example I'll use the Air Traffic Control world, in which we have
HUGE screen real-estate (2kx2k displays).  Tracks are displayed in a
basic format with similar information, an Emergency track is then
coloured Red, a Conflict Track in white (with a line between the two
tracks). Radar Proximity warnings in yellow, point-outs in blue.  They
only use a limited number of colours (around 8) but these provide huge
amounts of information to the user that could not be presented as
quickly (and if your plane is hi-jacked you want the controller to know
ASAP) in other ways.


> | For most modern systems the appearance is the content, ...
> 
> exactly!  is this a good thing?  no.  this caters to a class of people who
> obviously are unable or unwilling to handle words.  with all the lack of
> contents in published material these days, _all_ they have to speak for
> them is appearance.  this has been a recognized problem on the Internet
> (WWW) for at least two years, now.  do you wish to tell me that I _must_
> prefer your colorful, contentless, "modern" pages over an information-rich
> "dull" page?  if so, go to hell.

No this is what I'm saying.  Go to the Electronic Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk they have an excellent Electronic newspaper
which uses colour in a minimal way (eg headlines in yellow main text in
different colours, links in red etc).  There are alot of pages that are
rubbish on the WWW and those that don't know how to use colour are the
worst.  Colour can however add extra information that words cannot in
that same time/space.  Well done it is much better than B/W, badly done
it is worse.


> 
> | The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems, XEmacs
> | has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I would say that
> | the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will produce better
> | productivity.
> 
> "better productivity"?  (whose marketing department are you paid by?)
> that's nothing short of a load of bullshit.  better productivity depends on
> the task and on the person.  you ignore the _invidual_ completely, to be
> replaced by your obnoxious categorization of what is best for humans as
> such.  humans don't exist as such, they exist as individuals.  like any
> good dictator, however, some people would like to take away the working
> environments that make "deviants" more productive, in order to make the
> vast masses more productive.

This is a world conspiracy against you personally is it ?  Find a
secretary, tell her she has to use an old Typewritter again, that she
can't use Word any more because you say so.  The reason the market you
long for is dying is that people with little or no computer knowledge
are being required to use computers every day and they have cash by the
bucket loads.  The computer is the most powerful tool of the 20th
century why should this be limited to the "few".  If you cannot adapt to
the new world, or cannot see how anyone else can work quicker with a
modern system over on 10 years old I pity you.  This is computing, it is
now in a rapid phase of expansion, the challenges are ahead and they are
tougher than those that came behind.  Gone are the days when a sad bloke
sat in a room on his own able to code anything to any standard.  GUI
engineers must understand how people work, how the majority of people
work, you may not be in the majority and you therefore see the world
going against you, so be it.

<Phew wipes sweat of fingers>

> 
> | The natural urge of people is to point, the mouse is the interaction tool
> | that allows the user to do this.
> 
> do you actually _believe_ this "natural urge" stuff?  my "natural urge" (if
> I have any that exceed sex and hunger in complexity) is to speak or write.

Okay heres a test, someone asks you which box to pick up out of three.
You want the middle one, do you use you had to point while saying "the
middle one" ? Maybe you don't most people will, people speak with their
hands quite a lot.

> 
> | A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no need to
> | know about the complexities of using a computer system to be able to use
> | what is an editor.
> 
> your saying so does not make this true, no matter how hard you try to make
> it so.  the fact is that this _stupid_ line of argumentation has kept
> computing away from those who could have benefited from it decades ago,
> because what you are _really_ saying is that "you poor idiots, computers
> are still too hard to understand for your puny little brains to be useful
> to you".  the _belief_ that computers are any more complex than, say, cars
> and driving in heavy city traffic is so incredibly condescending to those
> users that I find myself speechless when faced with the incredible stance
> "we know what's good for you, just you sit still until we fix it for you".

Do you think that all software engineers need to know about SR,GR how to
dope a transistor, how to mine silicon (or however you get it), how to
distribute computers  BEFORE they are allowed to touch one ?  Of course
not.  A computer for a secretary should be designed for their job not
for ours.  It is not saying they are stupid (hell I type at only 40wpm)
or that computers are amazingly complex, it says that here is an
amazingly powerful tool that can help you in your job.  Do BIC patronise
everyone of use when we use their pens because they are better than
using a quill pen but we don't know exactly how they make them ?

Anyone should be able to sit down at a Computer and do some basic tasks
(WP, accounts etc) without having to study manuals for days.  Why is
this wrong ?  This was much less likely with DOS or from the UNIX cli
than it is with modern GUIs.  They don't dictate half as much as CLIs
how someone should do a task.  Macros in even Word allow you to speed up
your task as you want. Motif allows you to configure just about anything
on the system.  I can't see how they limit people, I can see how they
empower them.

> 
> you live in your graphical user interface world with colors and idiots for
> users. 

Umm ATC controllers are idiots are they ? Of course they are not.  I am
an idiot for using a GUI ? Of course not. Jobs and Wosniak were working
with morons too.  The majority of people are morons are they ?  Step out
of your shell and smell the modern world.  The computer will become less
a box and a keyboard and more a standard mode of interaction (eg talking
instead of typing).


> I prefer people who can communicate and think in words.  I have
> been to France once (Aix-en-Provence, a lovely little town, and Marseilles,
> a not so lovely city).  I had to point at things because my French wasn't
> up to speed.  I made an intense effort to learn to _speak_ French, and
> after two weeks, I could speak it well enough to discuss the best packaging
> to send home a bunch of books I had bought in one of the excellent
> bookstores in Aix, after having spent a day in delighted (albeit patient)
> discussion with the bookstore owner.  the thrill of being able to speak a
> new language was just exhilarating.  unfortunately, I can't speak French, I
> can't even write French, anymore, but I can still read French, and I read
> German, as well.  reduced to pointing, I feel like an illiterate moron.
> that feeling carries over into computing.  pointing is for people who have
> yet to discover _thought_.  in my view.  you obviously disagree, but you
> won't see me agree to your "natural urge" bullshit any time sooner than you
> stop universalizing that bullshit to include me and millions of other
> people who feel _disenfranchised_ by the now point-and-click "interaction"
> you want to make the universal mode of communication with a computer.
> 

Bollocks, sorry but that is total rubbish.  You consider your view as
superiour to all others and will not even consider another point of
view.  I don't want point and click to be the only interaction with the
computer.  But I would prefer to be able to click on a connection to a
friend if they are at their machine and talk to them (using a colour
camera) than to type.  For discussions like this text is more
appropriate as it gives more time to think and deliberate rather than
reducing to a "Does" v "Does not" session.  To say that people who point
don't think is small minded to an amazing degree, on a VT220 it wasn't
an option so it wasn't good ?  The millions you claim who share your
view that the old ways were best I have not met. But the millions who
use and buy GUI products everyday seem to back me up.  There are more
people on Usenet now (for better or worse) than there ever have been, as
a result of the "point-and-click" power of modern interfaces, some of
these have added alot (especially in the science groups).
 

> this has nothing to do with any Emacsen, anymore, but I just want you (and
> others) to know your "natural urge" nonsense is disputed by _individuals_
> who don't actually _like_ your "interaction for dummies".  and for those
> who are inclined to point and not think: this is an example of how one
> person (namely, I) think and have preferences, not a universalizable
> argument about what Emacs users prefer over what XEmacs users prefer.
> however, I'm still inclined to believe that XEmacs users (not the least
> after reviewing the comments I have received), are less verbal and more
> visual than Emacs users, are less interested in studying manuals and
> learning _languages_ (case in point: XEmacs calls its Lisp an "API", Emacs
> calls its Lisp a programming _language_).  David Hughes felt _insulted_ by
> this, for God knows what reason.  observation it is, and it has been
> confirmed by this debate, and in no way disputed.
> 

I am indeed a visual person, although I am realy a visual-audio based
person in that I remember most that I have seen and most that is said.
I have read a huge amount, an editor has nothing to do with this.  It
could be said therefore that if you are a typical Emacs user (which I
doubt) then the Emacs user is sitting in about 1978 saying that the
"Star project at Xerox ? Huh nothing will come out of that". This isn't
true, neither is your generalisation of XEmacs users.  This is just an
editor, the war you seem to be wageing against GUIs and useability is
over. The majority of people like GUIs, they don't like CLIs.  Do you
recommend the pen over a CLI ? Afterall that had a simple interface and
no frills at all.


> a word says more than a thousand images.

Have you seen picture of the Jews during the holocaust ? Or football
fans as their teams scores ? Or of Linford Christie when he crossed the
line to take Gold in Barcelona ? The Mona Lisa ? The Last Supper ? The
starving in Ethopia etc etc etc.

> 
> exercises for the visually inclined: illustrate "appreciation", "humor",
> "software", "education", "inalienable rights", "elegance", "fact".
> 
This is just stupid, describe the Sistene Chapel, a Rembrant self
portrait, a bird in flight, the sea in a storm with out refering to any
image real or remembered.

And have you ever seen the Far Side cartoons, they sometimes have no
words and yet have lots of "humour".  A photo of an audience on its feet
appluading a conductor would be "appreciation", Software is an abstract
concept so is only really a word, a class of pupils studying or
University students graduating is not "education".  "Inalienable rights"
could be the Civil war picture of the first black battalion (I forget
the name, Missori 54th ?) walking past some cheering freed slaves.
"Elegance" could be a painting of the 18th Century of some great lady
(the one on the Oxford classics version of Emma would be a prime
example). Fact too is an abstract concept and therefore hard in images.




> #\Erik
> --
> Please address private replies to "erik".  Mail to "nobody" is discarded.


RSI here I come.

Steve Jones

Eurocontrol Experimental Centre

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>>"EN" == Erik Naggum schrieb am 09 Nov 1996 13:09:01 +0000:

 EN> statements about _all_ users.  I object to this because it is
 EN> _not_ universalizable, and the programmers and other users who do
 EN> _not_ improve their productivity with _lots_ of irrelevant
 EN> sensory input, new and application-specific symbolic languages
 EN> (icons), etc, should not be sacrificed to the "let's pretend all
 EN> people are the same" that greatly improves the profit margin of
 EN> companies who can sell billions of copies of the same program all
 EN> over the globe, instead of having the machine adapt to the user.

Aha - this sounds different from your previous postings. But to get
back to Emacs/XEmacs discussion: neither does a good job at adapting
to the user - this is left to him. Still my point is that if one WANTS
to have fancy buttons and the like he can have it with XEmacs but he
can't with Gnu Emacs (yeah, I know, "Gnu Emacs could have that, too, if
only the XEmacs ...." sschnnn ... author fallen asleep).

 EN> I'm reminded of the old philosophical discussion about swans.
 EN> "all swans are white", was the proposition after someone had only
 EN> seen white swans.  "no, that's not true", would be a legitimate
 EN> objection by one who had seen a black swan.  if, at this point,
 EN> some _idiot_ should object with "are you saying that NO swan is
 EN> white!?", all hope of resolution would evaporate.  and that is
 EN> _exactly_ what it is like to tell people that "no, not all people
 EN> find color and graphics and lots of icons and mouse clicking to
 EN> be beneficial".

Sorry, Erik, but look at your own postings and perhaps you will notice
that you also use the same tone: Steve Jones was the one who said that
one can benefit from "point-and-click" and you told him he could go to
hell if he would force you to adopt his belief (while he at best
modestly tried to convince you).

 EN> optimize too much for X, and you lose the necessary flexibility.

Why and in which respect ? Now that XEmacs can be used on ttys I can't
see a loose in flexibility (aside from size and speed - although for
me that's not the big deal). 

 EN> be easy to add).  however, they did it wrong, and we now have two
 EN> Emacsen where the rest of Emacs is also different.  how
 EN> _incredibly_ stupid!

"They did it wrong" "You did it wrong" I don't care who did what
wrong. Obviously neither side WANTS to work with the other because of
"You did it wrong" "No, you did" and "You insulted me" "You did
first". And this is the incredibly stupid reason for two different
versions, isn't it ?

Holger
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>>"h" == hacksaw  schrieb am 08 Nov 1996 20:52:08 -0500:

 h> Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
 >> not me.  that's the point I'm trying to make here.  color is not a
 >> universal good, the way some people believe it is.  I don't to
 >> stuff that needs color.  I do stuff that is _hampered_ by color.

 h> Fine, so turn it off. Choice is the universal good.

Sic ! This is the point. Emacs (in it's current state) doesn't offer
you the possibilities I like (!) to have in XEmacs (and please, Erik
don't answer: do it for Emacs again - I have to get MY work done, not
yours. That's why I use XEmacs, not Gnu Emacs). I re-iterate it: if
the folks from the Gnu Emacs team and from XEmacs form up to unite the
two versions I will be happy to be the first one to use it - until
then I will use the one I prefer.

 >> | The Human Computer Interface is the key part of modern systems,
 >> XEmacs | has its problems and Emacs is not a bad interface but I
 >> would say that | the XEmacs trend is more in line with what will
 >> produce better | productivity.

 h> I'd be hard pressed to agree with that one. No one interface is
 h> good for everyone. For instance, an iconic interface totally sucks
 h> for the blind, who need text that can be read to them by the
 h> computer.

This is certainly correct - but one (the programmer) has to create an
interface which should be usable to most. And if he does his work
reasonably he also enables the user to change the interface to fit his
(the user's) needs. But I, too, believe that most people are helped by
having a visual interface in the first place (and I don't use the
icons in Gnus). 

 h> A mouse is kind of stupid for a lot of things, to be sure. Menu
 h> bars add questionable benefit to productivity. Never the less, the
 h> combination is incredibly useful for learning about the
 h> capabilities of the program. Ideally one day we will be able to
 h> *say* any of:

 h> Move this paragraph here

 h> Move the second paragraph to after the third

 h> Stick line 2 before line 12

 h> Bag the first second and fourth paragraphs, as well as this line

Please: don't ! This would only be of use if everyone of us would sit
alone and isolated in his own cell without anybody else trying to get
their work done. Have you sit in a room with 5 other people of which
two are talking while you try to hack some problem into the keyboard ?

 >> | A secretary, a physist, a chemist and an English student have no
 >> need to | know about the complexities of using a computer system
 >> to be able to use | what is an editor.

 >> your saying so does not make this true, no matter how hard you try
 >> to make it so.  the fact is that this _stupid_ line of
 >> argumentation has kept users that I find myself speechless when
 >> faced with the incredible stance "we know what's good for you,
 >> just you sit still until we fix it for you".

This is simply nonsense. Go and ask some physist if he WANTS to know
the internals - in general he doesn't. It is fine that if he WANTS to
gain knowledge of the internals (or complexity or whatever) that he
can do so, but to force him learning about it before he can do
anything will stop anybody from using computers. You don't have to
understand how an engine works in order to drive your car (though it
can be of help certainly).

 >> this has nothing to do with any Emacsen, anymore, but I just want
 >> you (and others) to know your "natural urge" nonsense is disputed
 >> by _individuals_ who don't actually _like_ your "interaction for
 >> dummies".  and for those who are inclined to point and not think:
 >> this is an example of how one

 h> Wow, what a nice prejudice against the visually oriented. It may
 h> come as a shock to you, but some of the greatest minds in history
 h> and in computing, who are fantastic writers and thinkers, have
 h> been known to prefer to point at things instead of describing
 h> them. That way, they don't have to waste time formulating the
 h> words of how to describe a paragraph, and can instead concentrate
 h> of the contents of the paragraph as a set of concepts.

I second that. Some say: you can't think of something which you can't
put in words. A lot of pictures and a whole lot more of music can not
be put in to words or if you try it doesn't give you an impression for
real. And believe me, I can think of music and much more and I don't
have to use words for that. 

So, Erik and any other visual-people-haters: if you don't like
pictures, colors, anything else which people like to use to get THEIR
work done, don't use them. But stop hindering people from using them
(not to mention insulting).

Holger
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It is possible but there are a few problems. Here's the
elisp I use:

(setq initial-frame-plist '(minibuffer nil))
(setq default-frame-plist '(minibuffer nil))
(setq minibuffer-frame-plist '(width 80 height 2 menubar-visible-p nil
                               default-toolbar-visible-p nil
                               name "minibuffer"
                               top 1 left -1))

The minibuffer-frame-plist is not strictly necessary but it does
remove a lot of the decoration.  I've named the frame "minibuffer"
so that I can tell the window manager not to put a titlebar on
the toplevel window.

Problems:
 You have to enter a mouse or keyboard event after startup
 before the minibuffer frame is created.   It redisplays
 and everything is fine.  This takes a moment so if you
 type C-x C-f quickly XEmacs will miss the C-f, for example.

 If you have teach-extended-commands switched on then XEmacs
 displays the keystrokes you could have used for a complex
 command and then sets focus to the wrong window.  You have
 to explicitly set focus to the minibuffer frame to complete
 the command.  Turn teach-extended-commands off and everything
 is mostly fine.

 It still trips up very occasionally.  I haven't found anything
 else repeatable.

Hope this helps.

--
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Erik,

I feel obliged to respond to the pedantic bickering which is
going on in this thread.  =

1) We are no longer arguing about Emacs and  XEmacs.  We are
trying to redefine what an  API is.  Emacs and XEmacs both
use lisp as a programming language and an API.  The programming
language lets you implement functionality and the API lets you
access interface features, OS features and other primitives which
are necessary to let the programmer do anything useful.

(X)Emacs lisp is nice because the OS features are wrapped up
in a high-level API.  You can't argue about (getenv) being
an API to the underlying OS, for example.  True in all Emacsen.

2) XEmacs does have a fatter API.  But then it needs one.  There's
the whole API related to specifiers for starters.  If specifiers
were implemented in lisp then performance would really suck.
Without specifiers the lisp you would have to write for many
XEmacs features would suck.  So the bare minimum of specifiers
is programmed in C and a lisp API is provided so that the =
functionality can be accessed easily when "programming in lisp".

3) I agree it's a shame that there is no encapsulation in XEmacs
lisp.  But XEmacs lisp and Emacs lisp are very similar.  There
are far fewer differences between the lisp implementations than =
there are in the C code and in the (X)Emacs specific packages.

4) I take offence to your suggestion that people 'willingly
and on purpose breaks existing code because it is in some =
irrelvant way "wrong"?'.  When I write lisp which breaks on
one or other flavour it's because I don't know how to write it
portably.  Several package developers have managed to write
portable packages quite successfully.  It would be nice if someone
with this expertise could find the time to write a "Programming
for multiple Emacsen" guide for people like me.


I hope this thread will either die out or move onto more productive
ground.  You raised an important issue in your article which should
receive more thought.  We do need to try and encapsulate lisp packages
better so that variables are private to packages etc.  This is true
for both Emacs and XEmacs so interested parties should have something
common to discuss.  =

For me,  the the data abstraction in XEmacs C code is a great boon. =
If / when I ever find time to play with the internals I will probably
choose to do so with XEmacs.  For a newcomer to the C internals I think
the task of learning at least a little of the internals will be
easier in  XEmacs than in Emacs.  =

It doesn't help say that one is better than the other when they both
have so much in common and each have merits of their own.  I'm a GUI
person and I find XEmacs better for what I do.  When I used to work from
home I used Emacs because X over a modem was painful.

Strangely enough,  I often use XEmacs with the menubar and scrollbar
'switched off'  so that I can get more text on the display.  I do make
use of the XEmacs specific display features though:

  Separate minibuffer frame which is visible in all CDE workspaces.
  Specifiers which colour buffers differently.
  Proportional fonts (occasionally).
  I make heavy use of multiple frames (across multiple displays
    occasionally).

I don't defend my decision with religious fervour.  I don't consider
myself to be the member of one 'camp' or another.  I don't think
that my choosing XEmacs as my preferred environment puts a nail in the
coffin of Emacs.  I think it would be a tragedy if either emacs died
for any other reason than a successful merger.  I don't expect that
to happen so I hope that both carry on to thrive.  =

--
Donald Hunter.

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In article <kigpw1nw4zs.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>, hniksic@srce.hr says...
>
>Tuan Vo (vott@hg.uleth.ca) wrote:
>>       Is there a free emacs editor that I can download for my PC? I'm 
>> using Windows 95.
>
>Yes, GNU Emacs 19.34 works native on win95.
>
>>       And, BTW, does xemacs have the same commands as emacs?  Or will I 
>> have to relearn everything if I switch to using xemacs?
>
>No, of course you won't.  The interface, as appearing to the user is
>mostly the same (if somewhat nicer-looking).


Where can I download these emacs and/or xemacs software?
-- 
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The University of Lethbridge


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Hi,

I use the following for our site-start.el file:

(add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'turn-on-font-lock)
(setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
(add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)

While visiting a TAGS file (where there is really nothing to fontify)
emacs tries to fontify the TAGS file and sits there doing it for quite
a while (since this is a large Fortran project). My collegues are
quite unhappy with this ``feature'' since their job performance get
decreased for just fontifying nonsense.

How can I specifically turn of lazy-lock-mode and font-lock-mode for
TAGS files ????


Please reply to bauer@itsm.uni-stuttgart.de

Cheers,

Holger


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this could have been an interesting discussion had it been possible for
Steven Jones to understand what I'm trying to tell him.

* Steve Jones
| Now your being silly, I have not said that _you_ need this or _you_ need
| that, I am saying that for the _majority_ of users a GUI is a preferable
| mode of interaction.

when did the majority receive the right to speak for all?  please try to
understand that all I'm trying to do is to communicate to you that _not_
_every_ user agrees with the "majority" view.  incidentally, there never
was a vote on this, and if there were, you would find that users buy what
they think is necessary to get the job done, at the lowest cost, and with
the least relevant blemishes and flaws.  _millions_ of users have accepted
that they lose work with Microsoft tools.  should we then claim that the
"majority" is willing to lose their work, so there is no need to improve
the quality of the products?

however, when you make universal statements like the very next statement:

| Colours shouldn't be stuffed down peoples throats, but colours do help.

then I must again object.  the question is "_whom_ do colors help?"  for
what _reason_ do they help?  _colors_, per se, do not help.  colors per se
are just photons in a different hurry.

you don't even seem to _register_ that I don't have a color display to
begin with, so, no, "the links will be in a different color than the
surrounding text" is a false assumption on your part.  I seriously wonder
how, in your world of pointing and colors, the idea of "false assumption"
could ever be expressed, but you _assume_ that I have colors even though
I'm actually telling you that in _fact_ I don't.  why?

the rest of your message is equally out of touch with what I tried to tell
you: that _not_every_ user will be a new user who does not understand
computers (if you're looking for 70's cliche's, you're a master at using
them -- today's users are far more educated in the workings of a computer
than they were when this "oh, we must protect the ignorant users" argument
was at its peak), that _not_every_ computer will be used by people who are
expected to be unskilled for their job, that _not_every_ programmer has to
work _only_ with the user interface.  I'm quite certain that your world
consists only of user interface programmers who deal with stuff where color
helps, but I'm asking you only one thing: to remember, if not understand,
that there are uses for computers where colors do _not_ help, where colors
add to the cognitive load, where lots of gimmickry on the screen _reduce_
productivity, etc.  if users matter to you, _I_ will matter to you, and _I_
say, as a long-time computer user, that what you say about all users is
simply _not_true_ of _all_ users.  if you ignore this fact, as you have
shown an amazing willingness to do, you are not interested in users, you
are interested in finding users who agree with you, or can be forced to
agree with you, and then sell them things.  well, I don't, and I won't,

you mention CLI's and think DOS or Unix (!) is the best CLI to compare
against.  it is obviously the best when you wish to let colors and GUIs
win, which is just what they did in the DOS world: because the DOS CLI is
so crummy.  Unix came later, not because vendors were slower or it was
harder to do or anything like that, but because users saw no need for it.
if you are honest and actually want a useful comparison, look at TOPS-20's
command interface.  yes, TOPS-20 is defunct, but you can read about it, and
the interface lives on in Cisco's routers, in Kermit, in lots of places.
should a command line interface be able to help the user?  DOS doesn't
think so.  Unix' shells don't think so.  I think so.  and COMND does.
should a program and the command line interpreter work together?  DOS
doesn't think so.  Unix' shells don't think so.  I think so.  and COMND
does.  etc.

whether you get a menu by typing `?' or clicking on a mouse is irrelevant.
whether you speak an actual _language_ to the computer _is_ relevant.  I
want to use a _language_ to talk to the computer, and I want it to be the
best language that each of us can deal with (i.e., I'm willing to learn
something new in order to be better at my job, and I don't accept the
argument that professionals in any discipline should demand _not_ to learn
to use their tools), such that we achieve maximum information with the
least amount of effort.  GUIs lose _big time_ in this regard, except for
some specialized environments, where the information has already been
exchanged, such as in training air traffic controllers.  colors may help in
reminding people or stirring them into action.  if they were to handle a
new situation, or get new regulations or whatever, I hope they can still
get information in a _language_.

take syntax highlighting -- it wouldn't help if the user doesn't know the
language and the meaning of the colors, it confuses users greatly when
there are mistakes in it, it's very CPU intensive, and it is very wasteful
for people who don't make syntax mistakes in the first place.  in other
words, it's a beginner's support tool, and that beginner will probably
never acquire the proficiency in the language that another beginner would
that did not have such "crutches" to lean on.  but more beginners who don't
know what they're doing means more "jobs" and those of us who earn more on
a two-month project than they do slaving all year round, can reap even
higher rates when there are fewer "competitors" at our level.

| This is just an editor, the war you seem to be wageing against GUIs and
| useability is over.  The majority of people like GUIs, they don't like
| CLIs.

I want the _choice_ of a non-mouse-infested environment, I want the
_choice_ of a command line, I want the _choice_ of a high-contrast screen
like a black-and-white screen.  _YOU_ want to deprive me of those choices.
_YOU_ want to take away what makes _me_ productive, and you think you have
the right to do it, don't you?  who do you think is waging a war?  YOU are,
against the productivity of people who don't agree with you.

wars have _casualties_.  democracy was invented to stop the majority from
completely destroying the minority.  wars takes the shape of _ethnic
cleansing_, and you, Steven Jones, want to rid the world of all the users
who either cannot or will not use your colorful GUIs.  I want the _freedom_
to choose the interface between me and the program.  you want to deprive me
of that freedom.  who do you think is waging a war here?

I respect the fact that _some_ people like colors and GUIs and a mouse as
an input device, for _some_ tasks.  I represent the fact that _some_ people
do _not_ like colors or GUIs or a mouse as an input device for _their_
tasks.  I want choice.  you want a single way all users should interact
with the computer, just like that William H. Gates III fellow.  you can
keep your colors and GUIs and whatever you want, but you can be dead
certain that if you wish to exclude people based on handicaps or wish to
dictate working conditions for your users, you will face very serious
lawsuits.  if you want to listen to your users, you listen to users who
have the guts to stand up to "trends" and hyped-up nonsense, not just the
users who have been beaten to death by your bludgeoning arguments and can
only wimper about _which_ color they prefer.


but you don't even understand what I'm objecting to, do you, Steven Jones?
you think I'm objecting to the use of colors in Air Traffic Control, don't
you?  you don't understand that I'm not working as an Air Traffic
Controller, but as an author, a programmer, a lecturer, and I find myself
significantly reduced by so-called "audio-visual aids", not because it is
not well made when I make them, not because it is not easier to look better
and more "professional" with it, not because it might well help a student
or reader or two get the point quicker, but because I spend _five times_ as
much time preparing material for those "multimedia shows" as I do with a
blackboard and chalk, and it costs a lot of _real_ money to make them.  on
top of this, I get through less material in an hour, because people don't
_understand_ from figures, they have to be guided to understand _both_ the
figures _and_ what they represent.  _after_ they have understood, a figure
can indeed be benefitial, but _before_ they know what to understand, a
figure is no of value whatsoever.  it can be pretty, it can be redrawn a
lot easier by somebody who does _not_ understand, but understanding does
not come from figures.

it's harder to argue against a figure than a real argument.  it's harder to
argue against a color than what it represents.  for people who wish to
manipulate people, colors and figures are _the_ choice.  for people who
wish to understand and study, _language_ is the choice.

the same is true for your ATC users.  they wouldn't know what to do with a
white line or yellow line or red dot or whatever, _unless_ they had very
specific training in their jobs.  case in point: I sat down in front of a
"modern" computer the other day and watched somebody else work.  he had to
click on an amazing number of buttons with meaningless, itty-bitty "icons"
on them to accomplish a very simple task.  I found myself frustrated and
impatient, because I was wasting a lot of time (and their money), on one of
those "user friendly" systems.  as a counter-example, I had the pleasure of
dealing with secretaries as Oslo Stock Exchange who used Emacs (Gosling, I
think) on PRIME systems a few years ago.  they wrote their own Lisp macros,
in fact, since the keyboard macro facility produced Lisp code for them to
edit.  they were extremely efficient at everything they did.  one time,
we're talking the early 90's here, they had to use a temp, one of those who
were efficient at "modern" computers.  she got her own "modern" computer,
since she was unable to use the Prime systems, but still turned out to be
about one third as productive as the others, although she appeared to be
_working_ at least as hard, maybe harder, since she became frustrated that
her tools were not up to the speed that the other secretaries used.

I note in passing that you make a tremendous number of simple errors in
your writing.  "your" instead of "you're", etc.  English is not my native
language, but "Steven Jones" sounds English-like, even though you're in
France.  I find it alarming that language skills are dropping so fast among
users of graphic user interfaces, and I'm wary of programmers who make a
lot of mistakes of the "lack of precision" kind in their other dealings.

#\Erik
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From: Michael Tabat <mtabat@ti.com>
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I'm using Xemacs 19.14 on an HP with HPVUE 9.05.  I have version 3.1
of ispell and want to use it to check spelling in emacs buffers.  I've
tried just about everything including putting the autoload commands in
my .emacs (they are listed in the emacs FAQ).  However, every time I
run the ispell-buffer command, I get the following message in the mini
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	Symbol's value as variable is void: @

If anyone could help I'd sure appreciate it.
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xemacs 19.14: gdbsrc-mode: 'C-c C-c' does not work in gdb buffer while
'C-c C-z' does; menu:comint2 INT works also

i tried to define the keybinding on several places in my .emacs and in
the gdbsrc.el ( and some other .el files; and yes: i byte-compiled the
files after the change) . 

the keybinding works allways, if evaluated *after*
starting the gdbsrc-mode (with 'C-x e'), but it does not work
autmaticaly after starting gdbsrc.

any ideas ?

bodo
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* Holger Schauer
| But to get back to Emacs/XEmacs discussion: neither does a good job at
| adapting to the user - this is left to him.

how _could_ a program adapt to the user without the user communicating his
wishes to the program?  of course customization it is left to the user.
anything else means the programmer and the user are the same person.

those who don't want to do the work themselves should read the SERVICE file
and find somebody who can help fix their problems.  for an experienced
Emacs hacker, most customization questions can be answered in seconds.

| "They did it wrong" "You did it wrong" I don't care who did what wrong.
| Obviously neither side WANTS to work with the other because of "You did
| it wrong" "No, you did" and "You insulted me" "You did first".  And this
| is the incredibly stupid reason for two different versions, isn't it ?

no, that is not the reason for the two different versions.

the way that they (XEmacs) did things _after_ they had decided to split
(for entirely different reasons) was sometimes wrong and just plain stupid,
so the split grew in size.  the split didn't _occur_ because of it, a merge
is instead being _blocked_ because of it.

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Steve Jones - JON  <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> wrote:

>If you want to see what colours mean etc, have a word with the Royal
>College of Art who did the study on colour perception for the UKs new
>ATC centre, they studied people, perception and vision and came up with
>a complex set of rules and colours to best represent the data. Of course
>they would be wrong as well according to you.

Whatever people who have studied color have to find, *I* too find
colored displays (esp. various colors inside the same text, as in syntax
highliting) more of an annoyance than a help.

>way. I will have ever stick my neck out and say that people in general
>want a colour display, and that people in general prefer a GUI to a CLI.
>Why should the majority be told they are "wrong" because you would
>prefer the old method of interaction.  Do you still use a VT220 ? 

I don't know whether he does, but I know that *I* use Linux consoles in
text mode a lot, and xterms under X quite a lot too, using them as text
consoles.  It's simply a matter of efficiency: moving your hand from the
keyboard to the mouse and back is a waste of time and an annoyance, so
for tasks where this is appropriate (and I'm prefectly willing to admit
that air trafic controlling isn't one) you'll be more productive using a
CLI or some other keyboard-based interface.  Whatever your majority of
users wants, all I'm saying is that this possibility should still exist
in new systems and new software.  After all, on a well designed system,
the two can coexist.

[ stuff about ATCs ]

If I remember right, we were talking about editors to begin with.  Guess
what one of the reasons for me to drop emacs/lemacs was?  Yep, that it
would open its own window and make me move to it (and yes, I did know
about "-nw", but not being particularily interested in programming my
editor in lisp or reading my mail in it, I went for something that loads
quickly and just does its job efficiently: vi/vim).

>We don't protect ignorant users, we allow people to become users without
>the crap.  Why do you need to be able to write a driver for a HD to
>install one, the nightmare that used to exist on lots of platforms is
>slowly disappearing.  

Using the keyboard to control an editor is not akin to writing your own
device drivers in assembler, even if you'd like the former to be as much
'a thing of the past' as the latter.  The difference is that once you've
learned to use your editor this way, you can be *more* productive than
before.

>You can actually do lots of interaction from the Unix Shell to running
>programs. The CM system we use here has a CLI and a GUI interface,
>everything is possible from both sides, UNIX is very powerful from this
>point of view.

Right.

>For those of use who type at
>more than a char per min and will be prone to the odd error that can be
>picked up by syntax highlighting (which is less CPU intensive than
>compiling) it adds quite alot.

You sound like you know what's good for everyone, and that's what I
don't like.  I have no problem with editors offering syntax
highlighting, but I know that *I* find my bugs faster from what the
compiler tells me than by trying to figure out what made my editor
indent the next line weirdly, so *I* pick an editor that doesn't do this
kind of thing.  As long as you don't try to tell everyone that such an
editor is inferior and a thing of the past, I have nothing to complain
about.

>Which is what I want, the right for people not to be limted to the 70s
>and to be able to use the computer without learning bizare languages
>like sed and awk like I had to.

But now there's perl to replace them! :-)

>It is hard to argue against images.  Someone says "I never did it Gov"
>the prosecution shows a picture of him doing it.  Horses for courses,
>why not just admit that there is power in GUIs that pictures do have
>information just from being a picture.

Can't you get it in your head that the two can be appropriate for
different things, *and* that different people can handle one or the
other more easily?   There are things for which images are *the* way,
and there are things for which words are *the* way, and there are thing
for which both can work, and I know that *I* will prefer the words.   If
you'll prefer the pics I'm not going to take them from you, but don't
try to tell me that the pics are universally better.

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> 
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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> this could have been an interesting discussion had it been possible for
> Steven Jones to understand what I'm trying to tell him.
> 
> * Steve Jones
> | Now your being silly, I have not said that _you_ need this or _you_ need
> | that, I am saying that for the _majority_ of users a GUI is a preferable
> | mode of interaction.
> 
> when did the majority receive the right to speak for all?  please try to
> understand that all I'm trying to do is to communicate to you that _not_
> _every_ user agrees with the "majority" view.  incidentally, there never
> was a vote on this, and if there were, you would find that users buy what
> they think is necessary to get the job done, at the lowest cost, and with
> the least relevant blemishes and flaws.  _millions_ of users have accepted
> that they lose work with Microsoft tools.  should we then claim that the
> "majority" is willing to lose their work, so there is no need to improve
> the quality of the products?
> 

People have paid up front my the million for Windows95, I don't think it
is a good product, but it is a better product than 3.1 and a much better
product than DOS.  The interaction in 95 is simpler cleaner and quicker.
The old "Money talks bullshit walks" expression comes to mind. 95 is
still poor in comparison but better than the previous version and the
major + is the new interface.

> however, when you make universal statements like the very next statement:
> 
> | Colours shouldn't be stuffed down peoples throats, but colours do help.
> 
> then I must again object.  the question is "_whom_ do colors help?"  for
> what _reason_ do they help?  _colors_, per se, do not help.  colors per se
> are just photons in a different hurry.
> 

They help people who see in colour.  If colours have no information why
are Wasps and Bees the same colour while beetles are black.  Why are
poisoned arrow frogs brightly coloured ?  These things do not have a big
danger sign on them in English, but they do have the colours for
"Danger" all overthem.

If you want to see what colours mean etc, have a word with the Royal
College of Art who did the study on colour perception for the UKs new
ATC centre, they studied people, perception and vision and came up with
a complex set of rules and colours to best represent the data. Of course
they would be wrong as well according to you.


> you don't even seem to _register_ that I don't have a color display to
> begin with, so, no, "the links will be in a different color than the
> surrounding text" is a false assumption on your part.  I seriously wonder
> how, in your world of pointing and colors, the idea of "false assumption"
> could ever be expressed, but you _assume_ that I have colors even though
> I'm actually telling you that in _fact_ I don't.  why?
> 

I've never said you have a colour display.  Although yes I think that is
a bit strange, but each to their own.  I don't claim that every single
person on the planet is the same that all want to use a computer this
way. I will have ever stick my neck out and say that people in general
want a colour display, and that people in general prefer a GUI to a CLI.
Why should the majority be told they are "wrong" because you would
prefer the old method of interaction.  Do you still use a VT220 ? 

> the rest of your message is equally out of touch with what I tried to tell
> you: that _not_every_ user will be a new user who does not understand
> computers (if you're looking for 70's cliche's, you're a master at using
> them -- today's users are far more educated in the workings of a computer
> than they were when this "oh, we must protect the ignorant users" argument
> was at its peak), that _not_every_ computer will be used by people who are
> expected to be unskilled for their job, that _not_every_ programmer has to
> work _only_ with the user interface.  I'm quite certain that your world
> consists only of user interface programmers who deal with stuff where color
> helps, but I'm asking you only one thing: to remember, if not understand,
> that there are uses for computers where colors do _not_ help, where colors
> add to the cognitive load, where lots of gimmickry on the screen _reduce_
> productivity, etc.  if users matter to you, _I_ will matter to you, and _I_
> say, as a long-time computer user, that what you say about all users is
> simply _not_true_ of _all_ users.  if you ignore this fact, as you have
> shown an amazing willingness to do, you are not interested in users, you
> are interested in finding users who agree with you, or can be forced to
> agree with you, and then sell them things.  well, I don't, and I won't,
> 

Prat. No when I say "the majority of users" this does not mean "all
users" when I look into what is required for a specific task for a
certain enviroment I care only about a limited set of users.  To say
that I am not interested in the User is foolish, that is all I give a
shit about.  The interface is there to provide the best representation
to the User of what they need.  There is NO WAY that a modern ATC system
would be conceived of without the use of a complex GUI. This is done to
improve the controllers lot, reduce their work load and to alert them to
problems quicker.  You CANNOT do this as quickly without a GUI.  In fact
without a GUI you can't show a Radar display, with a modern GUI you
don't have to show just dots on the screen you can show more text,
present information and alerts by using colours.


We don't protect ignorant users, we allow people to become users without
the crap.  Why do you need to be able to write a driver for a HD to
install one, the nightmare that used to exist on lots of platforms is
slowly disappearing.  You can use the computer as a tool, just like all
the other tools you use.  Users aren't stupid, in many specialised cases
they know a damned sight more about the task than the people programming
it.  To say that a GUI is provided for an ignorant user is rubbish.
Jobs and Wosniak weren't morons and yet they created a GUI and used a
GUI. The people at MIT are certainly not morons and yet they support and
use X like most of the Universities.  GUIs give more power and more
control to the user.

> you mention CLI's and think DOS or Unix (!) is the best CLI to compare
> against.  it is obviously the best when you wish to let colors and GUIs
> win, which is just what they did in the DOS world: because the DOS CLI is
> so crummy.  Unix came later, not because vendors were slower or it was
> harder to do or anything like that, but because users saw no need for it.

UNIX came after DOS ? Ummm check your history books I think... wasn't
UNIX an early 70s product ?

> if you are honest and actually want a useful comparison, look at TOPS-20's
> command interface.  yes, TOPS-20 is defunct, but you can read about it, and
> the interface lives on in Cisco's routers, in Kermit, in lots of places.
> should a command line interface be able to help the user?  DOS doesn't
> think so.  Unix' shells don't think so.  I think so.  and COMND does.
> should a program and the command line interpreter work together?  DOS
> doesn't think so.  Unix' shells don't think so.  I think so.  and COMND
> does.  etc.
> 
You can actually do lots of interaction from the Unix Shell to running
programs. The CM system we use here has a CLI and a GUI interface,
everything is possible from both sides, UNIX is very powerful from this
point of view.


> whether you get a menu by typing `?' or clicking on a mouse is irrelevant.
> whether you speak an actual _language_ to the computer _is_ relevant.  I
> want to use a _language_ to talk to the computer, and I want it to be the
> best language that each of us can deal with (i.e., I'm willing to learn
> something new in order to be better at my job, and I don't accept the
> argument that professionals in any discipline should demand _not_ to learn
> to use their tools), such that we achieve maximum information with the
> least amount of effort.
Learning to use a tool and using how the tool works are very different
things. there is no need to learn how a computer works to use an editor.
Your job is computers so you need to learn about them and adapt
(something you don't appear to be doing). A scientist from another area
doesn't need to understand the assmbler a Fortran program will create
when doing his FFTs and these days he won't even need Fortran he buys
his off the shelf package that allows him to do his job better
(something you nor I could do).  Accountants don't need to understand
spreadsheets to use one, but here is a case of a HUGE increase in
performance for a worker who previously spent hours doing the
calculations by hand.  A computer is better at that job than they are,
and providing them with a quicker interface for data entry (a GUI)
simplifies their job further so they can care about other tasks and also
save the company money.

>  GUIs lose _big time_ in this regard, except for
> some specialized environments, where the information has already been
> exchanged, such as in training air traffic controllers.  colors may help in
> reminding people or stirring them into action.  if they were to handle a
> new situation, or get new regulations or whatever, I hope they can still
> get information in a _language_.
> 

RUBBISH.  A live ATC enviroment will use the same colours/interface as
the simulator, thats the point of a trainer, it should be the same as
the real thing. When new regulations came in their would be a change to
the interface and they would be trained up on it.  They would be told of
the new regs and they would probably see this on paper, but operationaly
it means nothing, there is no "Help" button that desribes the current
action in text.

If you want a general advantage of a GUI take the games industry, here
is a totally client driven industry that seems to belive not just in not
CLI but in 3/4D interaction and colours by the bucket load.  Is Doom
better than the Origonal Adventure (on UNIX enviroments) ?


> take syntax highlighting -- it wouldn't help if the user doesn't know the
> language and the meaning of the colors, it confuses users greatly when
> there are mistakes in it, it's very CPU intensive, and it is very wasteful
> for people who don't make syntax mistakes in the first place.  in other
> words, it's a beginner's support tool, and that beginner will probably
> never acquire the proficiency in the language that another beginner would
> that did not have such "crutches" to lean on.  but more beginners who don't
> know what they're doing means more "jobs" and those of us who earn more on
> a two-month project than they do slaving all year round, can reap even
> higher rates when there are fewer "competitors" at our level.

CPU cycles mean less and less each year.  This years machines are the
supercomputers of 10 years ago (almost).  As you appear to be perfect in
never doing a typo or failing to close brackets or missing a trailing
comment in C you don't need these things.  For those of use who type at
more than a char per min and will be prone to the odd error that can be
picked up by syntax highlighting (which is less CPU intensive than
compiling) it adds quite alot.  It is not a beginners tool, it does not
mean the user does not know the language, it is not a "crutch", it is a
tool pure and simple.  Hey so is LISP or C if you don't need tools like
compilers why not just start coding in HEX ? There are alot of people
out there earning quite high rates who use tools to aid them rather than
seeing new developments as "unpure" and against the will of the great
VT220. This is clearly just an attempt to insult my abilities, I have no
worries on that front, you clearly will never be competing in the same
job market as I will, until yours dies that is.

> 
> | This is just an editor, the war you seem to be wageing against GUIs and
> | useability is over.  The majority of people like GUIs, they don't like
> | CLIs.
> 
> I want the _choice_ of a non-mouse-infested environment, I want the
> _choice_ of a command line, I want the _choice_ of a high-contrast screen
> like a black-and-white screen.  _YOU_ want to deprive me of those choices.
> _YOU_ want to take away what makes _me_ productive, and you think you have
> the right to do it, don't you?  who do you think is waging a war?  YOU are,
> against the productivity of people who don't agree with you.
> 
Where did I say I wanted this of you ?  I can say that the majority of
users want colour and want a mouse.  You can stick with todays technoloy
for as long as you want (or until your service agreement gives up) new
interfaces are there as an improvement for the majority.  More money
gets put into research to help the majority and so the developments suit
them.

> wars have _casualties_.  democracy was invented to stop the majority from
> completely destroying the minority.  wars takes the shape of _ethnic
> cleansing_, and you, Steven Jones, want to rid the world of all the users
> who either cannot or will not use your colorful GUIs.  I want the _freedom_
> to choose the interface between me and the program.  you want to deprive me
> of that freedom.  who do you think is waging a war here?
> 

Moron.  My ideal is that everyone should be able to use a computer for
every task that a computer can do, without ever having to pick up a
manual.  A computerised cook-book in the kitchen, a computerised voice
activated lighting system. Computer links for sound and vision to your
friends.  All the libraries of the world at you fingertips.  The Media
YOU want when you want it and how you want it.  More power to the user
not less.  GUIs don't take away power (using Motif/X you can code it to
have a CLI if you so wish) they give more power.  The power user can do
more in a GUI than in a CLI just because it is a GUI.  Do you use X on
your machine or any windowing enviroment ? Is that better than a Vt220 ?

> [..snip..]
>  I want choice.  you want a single way all users should interact

Which is what I want, the right for people not to be limted to the 70s
and to be able to use the computer without learning bizare languages
like sed and awk like I had to.

> with the computer, just like that William H. Gates III fellow.  you can
> keep your colors and GUIs and whatever you want, but you can be dead
> certain that if you wish to exclude people based on handicaps or wish to
> dictate working conditions for your users, you will face very serious
> lawsuits.  if you want to listen to your users, you listen to users who
> have the guts to stand up to "trends" and hyped-up nonsense, not just the
> users who have been beaten to death by your bludgeoning arguments and can
> only wimper about _which_ color they prefer.
> 

Now thats offensive.  We are talking here about the majority of users.
For impaired users the questions are different, for a paraplegic user a
touch screen GUI has helped alot, for the Blind there is research going
on into how to covert flat 2D images into 3D images on the fly.  These
are different issues that need to be addressed as well.  I do not
advocate having a picture only page on the WWW as this does limit the
interaction from people using braille terminals.  These developments
will come, and you can bet money they won't be limited to a CLI.

> but you don't even understand what I'm objecting to, do you, Steven Jones?
> you think I'm objecting to the use of colors in Air Traffic Control, don't
> you?  you don't understand that I'm not working as an Air Traffic
> Controller, but as an author, a programmer, a lecturer, and I find myself
> significantly reduced by so-called "audio-visual aids", not because it is
> not well made when I make them, not because it is not easier to look better
> and more "professional" with it, not because it might well help a student
> or reader or two get the point quicker, but because I spend _five times_ as
> much time preparing material for those "multimedia shows" as I do with a
> blackboard and chalk, and it costs a lot of _real_ money to make them.  on
> top of this, I get through less material in an hour, because people don't
> _understand_ from figures, they have to be guided to understand _both_ the
> figures _and_ what they represent.  _after_ they have understood, a figure
> can indeed be benefitial, but _before_ they know what to understand, a
> figure is no of value whatsoever.  it can be pretty, it can be redrawn a
> lot easier by somebody who does _not_ understand, but understanding does
> not come from figures.
> 

Whereas I working as a Software engineer find the opposite.  My Father
who lectures in Computing finds the opposite, people who give
presentations as a living find the opposite.  I can knock up a
presentation at the same pace I can write it, you appear to be using the
wrong tool, or maybe in the wrong way.


> it's harder to argue against a figure than a real argument.  it's harder to
> argue against a color than what it represents.  for people who wish to
> manipulate people, colors and figures are _the_ choice.  for people who
> wish to understand and study, _language_ is the choice.
> 

It is hard to argue against images.  Someone says "I never did it Gov"
the prosecution shows a picture of him doing it.  Horses for courses,
why not just admit that there is power in GUIs that pictures do have
information just from being a picture.

> [.. examples of GUI v not ..]
> 

Yes and on the other hand .... we can all come up with these sort of
examples, and the user who clicked on lots of buttons to do a simple
task was using a bad interface.  This is not because it was a GUI this
is because it was bad.  The one thing about GUIs that is truly awful is
that people code for them that do not understand the biology and
psychology behind them the "I like it that way" crew are the problem not
the GUI.  The GUI gives them too much power, with a CLI they wouldn't
have this power.  This can then be moved to the User, a well defined
system will allow the user to all that they did do and more, where
before something was mapped to F7 it should still be possible to do it
in F7 but it should also be possible to drag a selected region and drop
it straight to the printer.

There are more tools these days and until programmers realise that they
can't just "do it my way" any more there will be problems.  On the
bright side this is beginning to happen,  research is going on into what
is good and what is bad.  For the poweruser you should be able to change
everything, for the novice give them the best default.

> I note in passing that you make a tremendous number of simple errors in
> your writing.  "your" instead of "you're", etc.  English is not my native
> language, but "Steven Jones" sounds English-like, even though you're in
> France.  I find it alarming that language skills are dropping so fast among
> users of graphic user interfaces, and I'm wary of programmers who make a
> lot of mistakes of the "lack of precision" kind in their other dealings.

Nice snipe :-) Yes my written english is awful, my writing is worse, of
course you don't have dyslexia do you ? I have never created a problem
that took more than a day to fix, how many others can say the same ?

Steve Jones

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Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> writes:

> Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> > I prefer people who can communicate and think in words.  I have
> > been to France once (Aix-en-Provence, a lovely little town, and Marseilles,
> > a not so lovely city).  I had to point at things because my French wasn't
> > up to speed.  I made an intense effort to learn to _speak_ French, and
> > after two weeks, I could speak it well enough to discuss the best packaging
> > to send home a bunch of books I had bought in one of the excellent
> > bookstores in Aix, after having spent a day in delighted (albeit patient)
> > discussion with the bookstore owner.  the thrill of being able to speak a
> > new language was just exhilarating.  unfortunately, I can't speak French, I
> > can't even write French, anymore, but I can still read French, and I read
> > German, as well.  reduced to pointing, I feel like an illiterate
> moron.
[...]


> I don't want point and click to be the only interaction with the
> computer.  But I would prefer to be able to click on a connection to a
> friend if they are at their machine and talk to them (using a colour
> camera) than to type.

Even more important:  if Erik would have been *prohibited* using hands
and feet and pointing in his interactions with the French, it would
have been much harder for him to learn French.  Pointing might be a
primitive mechanism not to be preferred to verbal use, but it is
immensively helpful for *learning* more advanced forms of
communication.  A user having pull-down menus with annotated key
bindings will learn to use the proper key sequences to use for typical
tasks much *faster* than a user having only a reference manual.  In
addition, the user might learn about commands he did not know before.

This is not about user interface efficiency, it is about *learning*
efficiency.  Even if one would agree with Erik that the learned user
would not need any menus and other bric-a-brac a modern user interface
offers to the incredibly stupid and arrogant and whatever not XEmacs
users and other lower life forms, one should try to offer the utmost
possibilities of learning to leave that state of superhumanness.

Pointing devices, menus, click interfaces, visual aids and color to
point out important things to people not yet knowing where to look for
importancies help to sooner leave this state of desolation where the
user gets into panick even for the sort of helpful things that happen
if you type several backspaces.

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In article <kighgmxp9ol.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>, Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
>  (ozgurluk@xs4all.nl) wrote:
> > Hello,
> > What wrong here?
> > As long as I am using xemacs and gnus I get this irritating error:
> > whenever I try tto post a news article, I get the following
> > debugmessage:
> > -8<-----
> > Signalling: (wrong-type-argument listp :-pos)
> >   mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk")
> 
> What version of Gnus are you running?  Try to evaluate
> (mail-extract-address-components "tabe@ozgurluk")
> 
> For me it evaluates to
> (nil "tabe@ozgurluk")
> 
> -- 

I am running Gnus version 5.2.40
when I try to evaluate the
mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk.xs4all.nl") (I have corrected my
hosts file) I get:
"Symbol's value as variable is void: mail-extract-address-components"

When I try to evaluate the entire buffer I get: 

"Symbol's value as variable is void: Signalling"

Where should I look to solve this problem.

I use the gnus-setup.el with mime

Hasta!
T.


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Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

At 15:29 11/11/96 GMT, you wrote:
>i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
>things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:
>
>(global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
>(global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
>(global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)
>
>this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
>with xemacs,  any ideas?

Try kp_multiply etc instead of kp-multiply


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To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: bug "Options=>Printing Options=>Command Line Switches"

i tried to use the above menubar entry, and an error was raised

here it is, adjusted to 80cols, the *Backtrace* buffer:

Signalling: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil)
  read-from-minibuffer("Switches for `lpr'/`lp': "
   ("-draw") #<keymap minibuffer-local-map 14 entries 0x4b8> nil nil)
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    (read-string "Switches for `lpr'/`lp': " lpr-switches)))

but, lpr-switches is a list of strings, while the doc string for
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read-string: (prompt &optional initial-contents history)
  -- a compiled Lisp function.
Return a string from the minibuffer, prompting with string PROMPT.
If non-nil, optional second arg INITIAL-CONTENTS is a string to insert
in the minibuffer before reading.
Third arg HISTORY, if non-nil, specifies a history list.

regards
                                                                gb

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From: cyuen@netcom.com (craig yuen)
Subject: global-set-key in .emacs
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i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:

(global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
(global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
(global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)

this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
with xemacs,  any ideas?

thanks in advance

craig
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craig yuen writes:
 > i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
 > things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:
 > 
 > (global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
 > (global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
 > (global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)
 > 
 > this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
 > with xemacs,  any ideas?
 > 

I have things like:

       (global-set-key '(kp_enter) 'call-last-kbd-macro)

in my .emacs, which works with XEmacs.

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EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>

 EN> I want the _choice_ of a non-mouse-infested environment, I want the
 EN> _choice_ of a command line, I want the _choice_ of a high-contrast
 EN> screen like a black-and-white screen.

XEmacs works without a mouse, it works from a command line (assuming M-x
counts as one :-), and it works fine on black & white screens.

It even does bold/inverse/underline on TTYs, which (IIRC) Emacs 19.34 does
not yet do.

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BR> == Bill Richter <richter@conley.math.nwu.edu>

 BR> Does anyone have more up-to-date info?  I know XEmacs can import X
 BR> pixel graphics, but I'm not exactly sure what that would be good for.

In-line MIME display is my favorite application for XEmacs's image
support.  emacs-w3 is another application that makes use of it.

-- 
Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com> <URL: http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ >
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 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
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EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>

 EN> `suggest-key-bindings' was implemented 1995-10-02, as per the ChangeLog.
 EN> when was `teach-extended-commands-p' implemented?  I can't find any
 EN> ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
 EN> -p convention for a _variable_?)

I don't know who put it in originally, but etc/NEWS does note that it's a
feature that was added in Lucid Emacs 19.9.  19.9 is *very* old, though
(unfortunately) there's no really good way to calibrate the date; it's of
roughly the vintage of VM 5.40 (also included in that release), though.

-- 
Christopher Davis <ckd@kei.com> <URL: http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/ >
"I conclude that the CDA is unconstitutional and that the First Amendment
 denies Congress the power to regulate protected speech on the Internet."
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David Hughes (dhughes@origin-at.co.uk) wrote:
: At 15:29 11/11/96 GMT, you wrote:
: >i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
: >things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:
: >
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: >(global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
: >(global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)
: >
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: >with xemacs,  any ideas?

: Try kp_multiply etc instead of kp-multiply

worked great, thanks very much

: -- David
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* Holger Schauer
| Emacs (in it's current state) doesn't offer you the possibilities I like
| (!) to have in XEmacs (and please, Erik don't answer: do it for Emacs
| again - I have to get MY work done, not yours. That's why I use XEmacs,
| not Gnu Emacs).

"MY work" vs "your work"?

Emacs and free software in general were supposed to help people work in a
community, where each programmer could create software for himself as well
as others who would like to use it, and they should not have to do the same
work all over again.  when you try to make this "my work" vs "your work",
you have pin-pointed the problem that I suggest in the XEmacs camp: that of
conflict, competition, reinvention, and reimplementation, the very
antitheses of free software and cooperation to solve common problems.

| You don't have to understand how an engine works in order to drive your
| car (though it can be of help certainly).

sigh.  this is _such_ a bogus argument.  I wonder what marketing genius
invented it, and for what purpose.  "you don't have to understand how
thermodynamics works in order to dress for the cold."

if you can't drive a car, you're scheduled for heavy fines or jail time if
you try it in regular traffic, even if you don't hurt anybody.  if you
can't fix a modern, high-end car's internal computer systems, you're in
good company.  somewhere between these two extremes, the need to understand
your equipment takes second place to just driving the damn thing.  however,
the need to understand things is stays with you for a very long time.

it is not a sign of professionalism to blame one's tools, but it is even
worse not to know them to the degree where they can be used appropriately.
if you want quality in your work, you learn to use your tools well.  there
simply is no other way.

if you are a _consumer_ (you know, the kind of people mass marketing
supposedly works on), there is perhaps legitimacy in the claims about "ease
of use" and such.  if you are a professional user, there isn't.  just like
programming is hard so using the program can be simpler and safer, a
professional user necessarily has to do a lot of uncomfortable work to get
quality results.  now, it should be reasonably comfortable, but you can't
make an omelet without breaking eggs, and you can't produce sleek cars in
open fields, surrounded by dancing young girls and a lovely little brook --
you need a dirty, noisy, dangerous and restricted environment that is
conducive to efficiently producing cars that are clean, silent, and safe,
suitable to the kind of marketing that includes open fields, dancing young
girls and a lovely little brook.  it shouldn't be needlessly had, but if
you believe the marketing that is aimed at consumers, and you're a producer
(of anything), you have been _duped_, big time.

know why I hate marketing (and marketing people)?  they instill people with
hopes so high and images to beautiful that there is nothing but cynicism
and disillusionment left after they have done their job (i.e., enough
people bought the product).  in our marketing economy, it is impossible to
sell a solution to a problem without overstating a hundred times how good
it's going to feel, and without associating some trivial thing like shampoo
with the kind of hair you will never even lay your eyes on.  it wasn't the
government that created Newspeak, it was the marketing departments.  it is
not a solution to tell people to divide by a hundred to get to the real
message -- it's precisely that which is the problem.

| So, Erik and any other visual-people-haters: if you don't like pictures,
| colors, anything else which people like to use to get THEIR work done,
| don't use them.  But stop hindering people from using them (not to
| mention insulting).

do I hate "visual people"?  no, I don't.  I hate the obnoxious marketing
campaigns and the idiots who claim that _only_ "visual people" should be
allowed to use modern computers.  don't you even see the difference?

and just how have I been hindering any people in doing anything?  this is
the kind of pungent bovine manure you get from _idiots_ who don't even try
to read what they're commenting on.

#\Erik
-- 
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>>>> "Rick" == Rick Baartman <baartman@alph04.triumf.ca> writes:

 Rick> Naggum sez:
 >> a word says more than a thousand images.

 Rick> Indeed. This contradiction of a what most people take as a
 Rick> truism nicely sums up your philosophical position. All kinds of

For some, a word says more than an icon ...
... but for most, an icon is easier to sell !

L.D.


 Rick> things follow from this.  DOS is better than Windows, emacs is
 Rick> better than Xemacs, ... Fine. I can except that you have this
 Rick> point of view and won't endeavour to change it. But keep in
 Rick> mind that most people _have_ gone over to using
 Rick> GUIs. Therefore, your position that GUI designers are foisting
 Rick> this on a public that doesn't need it (if only everyone would
 Rick> learn how to communicate with their computers in text) is the
 Rick> arrogant and intolerant position. Not the other way around.

 Rick> Just a casual observation: Those people using the strongest
 Rick> language are the intolerant ones. Check back on this thread and
 Rick> see which side is using the strongest language.  -- rick
-- 
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Erik Naggum writes:

[ SNIP ]

 |do I hate "visual people"?  no, I don't.  I hate the obnoxious marketing
 |campaigns and the idiots who claim that _only_ "visual people" should be
 |allowed to use modern computers.  don't you even see the difference?
 |
 |and just how have I been hindering any people in doing anything?  this is
 |the kind of pungent bovine manure you get from _idiots_ who don't even try
 |to read what they're commenting on.

so Erik, tell me about your Mother

--Brian M.

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I'm trying to configure cadence software to use xemacs as my Skill
editor. I need to know where I can find information on gnuclient or
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Where is documentation for gnuclient and/or gnudoit?

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| --Brian M.

thank you for being an XEmacs user.

#\Erik

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>>>>> "Martin" == Martin Buchholz <mrb@eng.sun.com> writes:

Martin> As one of the XEmacs developers, I'd like to respond to some of Erik's
Martin> claims:

[...]

Sorry, guy.  I suspect that Erik doesn't read comp.emacs.xemacs -- just
comp.emacs...

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>>>>> "craig" == craig yuen <cyuen@netcom.com> writes:

craig> i'm trying to convert my .emacs from emacs to xemacs but some
craig> things don't seem to work.  i have the following in my .emacs:

craig> (global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
craig> (global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
craig> (global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)

craig> this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
craig> with xemacs,  any ideas?

(global-set-key [kp_multiply] 'undo)
(global-set-key [kp_add] 'kill-ring-save)
(global-set-key [kp_subtract] 'kill-region)

:-(

Yes, this is braindamaged, yes it will be fixed for XEmacs 19.15.
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>>>>> "Holger" == Holger Bauer <bauer@itsma0.itsm.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:

Holger> Hi,
Holger> I use the following for our site-start.el file:

Holger> (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'turn-on-font-lock)

This line is causing your problems.  It's not exactly a good thing to
do.

Holger> (setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
Holger> (add-hook 'font-lock-mode-hook 'turn-on-lazy-lock)

Holger> While visiting a TAGS file (where there is really nothing to
Holger> fontify) emacs tries to fontify the TAGS file and sits there
Holger> doing it for quite a while (since this is a large Fortran
Holger> project). My collegues are quite unhappy with this ``feature''
Holger> since their job performance get decreased for just fontifying
Holger> nonsense.

The problem is the addition of turn-on-font-lock to find-file-hooks,
XEmacs is doing exactly what you asked it to do.  By requiring
the font-lock package the function font-lock-set-defaults already gets
added to find-file-hooks and it will turn on font-lock if
appropriate.  So, for XEmacs do not do that and you will be O.K.
GNU Emacs 19.34 has a similar facility called
turn-on-font-lock-if-enabled.

Holger> How can I specifically turn of lazy-lock-mode and
Holger> font-lock-mode for TAGS files ????

Change the hook so that it avoids turning on font-lock if the buffer
is in Fundamental mode is one possible fix.

(add-hook 'find-file-hooks
	  #'(lambda ()
	      (cond
	       ((eq major-mode 'fundamental-mode) nil)
	       (t (turn-on-font-lock)))))

[Tested against XEmacs 19.15 and GNU Emacs 19.34]
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* Steve Jones
| If colours have no information why are Wasps and Bees the same colour
| while beetles are black.  Why are poisoned arrow frogs brightly coloured
| ?  These things do not have a big danger sign on them in English, but
| they do have the colours for "Danger" all overthem.

I can only ask you to please observe that you are taking naturally occuring
things, properties, objects, etc, and transferring any conclusions you make
about them to images and abstract notions on a computer screen.  it is not
enough that you show that color is useful for animals (!), or that people
point at physical objects.  you must show that the transfer of these
qualities to the representational domain is valid.  we may well point when
we speak.  from there to moving a "mouse" in order to move a pointer on a
screen, in order to point, is a non-trivial transfer.  it needs to be
proved that this transfer is not distorted by other factors.  no such proof
has been forthcoming from you, only more examples whose validity has
already been challenged.  you don't pay very much attention, do you?

| Nice snipe :-) Yes my written english is awful, my writing is worse, of
| course you don't have dyslexia do you ? I have never created a problem
| that took more than a day to fix, how many others can say the same ?

wow, the dyslexia argument!  what an utterly _pathetic_ excuse!  "I'm
sorry, sir, I can't write well because my eyesight is such that I can't
actually see the screen two feet in front of me."  (that's true of my
eyesight, actually.)  I was diagnosed with mild dyslexia when I was a kid.
I worked _very_hard_ to get rid of it.  today, I write nearly flawlessly in
two different languages, and well enough to draw compliments from literate
natives in another.  there is mounting evidence to suggest that dyslexia is
mainly a consequence of the way written language is taught in our schools.
all evidence suggests that it can be cured.

in fact, the reason researchers now believe dyslexia occurs mainly in boys
is that the way we teach writing, letter by letter, creates a barrier to
the "whole word" approach that children normally would make on their own if
it were not for the fact that some anal-retentive school teachers insist
upon the letters.  teaching meaning instead of spelling, building
associations between the word and the meaning, instead of between the word
and its spelling, reinforces the fact that "your" and "you're" are
different _concepts_.  the "whole word" approach tries to work in terms of
_images_ of the word, instead of images of their components.

(lack of conceptual thinking _skills_ is a growing problem, but there is an
_inverse_ correlation between dyslexia and conceptual thinking skills, e.g,
the average IQ for dyslexics is well above the average of the population,
and math skills and programming skills are generally dependent on the same
factors that give rise to high IQ scores.)

#\Erik
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Hello all,

After searches of various ftp directories 
I still can't locate a couple of lisp 
packages that I want to update.  Specifically
the latest versions of w3 and pop3.  

The "Welcome to Gnuscape" home page mentions
version 3.0 of w3 but only has links to
version 2.* packages.  Is 3.0 beta and thus not
widely available?

I couldn't get vm-pop.el to work properly
so I dumped it upon hearing of pop3.el  ... but where is it?
Is pop3.el a 'project' for 19.15 or is it a working package?

Thanks,

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Bill Welch <welch@bear.com> writes:
> 
> I <gtodd@yorku.ca> wrote:
> 
> > C-x b  brings up the next item in the buffer list in the minibuffer - you can 
> > then use up and down arrows to scroll through the available buffers.  
> 
> When I try this in 19.14, I get
> "no {preceding|following} item in buffer-history"
> 
> buffer-history is nil.
> 
> It sounds like a nice feature - what do I have to do to turn it on?
> 
> Bill.

Isn't emacs wonderful!?
I just noticed that I wasn't able to do this in certain modes but I 
can in others. I'm not clear on why this is the case.  
A buffer history of one is always there and seems to be enabled by 
default in certain major modes (with text/HTML files I'm editing
I am able to do this -  but not in VM or GNUS)
putting setq buffer-history t  in my .emacs gives
messages like:  "history not recorded in this context".
Oh well C-x C-b (brings up buffer list) then C-x o (switches to
other buffer) puts point/cursor in the buffer list 
where you can then scroll to the buffer you want
and  press return.  Is suppose one could always bind this 
to a key or something ....  ;^)

-- 
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>I can only ask you to please observe that you are taking naturally occuring
>things, properties, objects, etc, and transferring any conclusions you make
>about them to images and abstract notions on a computer screen.  it is not
>enough that you show that color is useful for animals (!), or that people
>point at physical objects.

I would think such things are obvious.  I'm not talking 64K of color,
but even 3 colors, black, white, and red, is a major advance.
Even crusty old MVS made use of colors for decades.

For instance, you scroll through a list of computer events, yawn yawn,
they all look alike, except for different machine names and so forth,
then one jumps out at you in RED, and you *notice* it.  this is a highly
appropriate use of color.

In a compiler, if you have colors for various syntactical units,
you can see immediately if you've forgotten to close a comment, and
can see in short order which comment it is.

In short, colors give quick and easy to use information.  You can
get the same information through black and white text only, but it's
not as quick since you have to read it.  The keyword is "quick".

Such things are important, even if you don't wish to use them
personally.  Which is all this is, a silly "I don't us colors, so
support for colors is wasted" argument.

Similar arguments for the mouse, although in this case I see too much
tendency to mouse-only interfaces to the exclusion of all else (you
couldn't have a color-only interface :-).  Heck, big red buttons are
nice and convenient, but you can't build your entire interface from
big red buttons.

-- 
Darin Johnson
darin@connectnet.com




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Bill Richter <richter@conley.math.nwu.edu> writes:

> RMS posted some time ago that the only real advantage that XEmacs had
> over Emacs was variable width fonts, which BTW you can use for menus:

> ! Lucid X toolkit options for Emacs 19.30+

> Emacs.pane.menubar.font:   -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-124-iso8859-1
> Emacs.shell.menu*.font:   -adobe-times-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-124-iso8859-1

> Does anyone have more up-to-date info?  I know XEmacs can import X
> pixel graphics, but I'm not exactly sure what that would be good for. 

Frankly, I don't use embedded images much - but I like having them.
It allows me to stay within my favorite editor _and_ have a nice MIME
mail reader with inline images.

> I'm no expert on XEmacs, but I do prefer the Emacs mouse interface.
> For reasons of Motif compliance, XEmacs has much less functionality.

dunno what the differences in the mouse interfaces are.  I like the
pop-up menus on the third mouse button, leaving the first for
selection, and the second for "action" (URL's etc.).  I don't like the
recent change in XEmacs to put too many menu's in the status lines.

The features in XEmacs that I need, that I don't believe are in Emacs:

  * The ability to open frames on multiple X servers and tty's at the
  same time - I leave Xemacs running, go to school and open a new frame
  to the display at school.  Sometimes I telnet in and open a new frame
  to the tty.  (Maybe GNU Emacs has this now, I don't know.)

  * Proportional fonts and variable height fonts - I have a .el file
  that makes editing TeX with math in it a lot nicer (the symbols
  actually show up in the buffer.

  * Inline images - I rarely use this, but as I mentioned above, it's
  nice to have available.

Things that I don't like:

  * "active-regions" turned on by default (easy to shut off).
  * size (of course)

Things that I want, that neither Emacs nor XEmacs have:

  * multithreaded operation - dunno about Emacs, but for XEmacs, it
  will be a very long time before they have it, if ever.

My prinicpal applications are editing math-laden TeX documents and
reading mail and news with GNUS.  I leave a copy constantly running on
my home machine and connect to it remotely.

Steve
dunham@gdl.msu.edu


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Repost: Original follows-

Problem:

1. Fired up XEmacs-19.14 on tty.

2. Tried to modify a file (junk) also being accessed and "locked" by
Xemacs process from another terminal (ss10) resulting in mini-buffer
message:

	gabor locking /us/gabor/junk: action (s,q,p,?)?

The cursor remained in text window.

3. Any key I hit (s,p,?) results in following message:

	Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, (meta h)

Therefore I am unable to (steal) modify a "locked" file accessed from
a tty.

Env: Xemacs-19.14, sol2.5, ss10, vt220 emulation.

Is this a bug?  Is there a fix?

Andy
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Roger Llima wrote:

> Whatever people who have studied color have to find, *I* too find
> colored displays (esp. various colors inside the same text, as in syntax
> highliting) more of an annoyance than a help.

>From the Jargon file:

:angry fruit salad: n. A bad visual-interface design that uses too   
   many colors.  (This term derives, of course, from the bizarre
   day-glo colors found in canned fruit salad.)  Too often one sees
   similar effects from interface designers using color window systems
   such as X; there is a tendency to create displays that are  
   flashy and attention-getting but uncomfortable for long-term
   use.

A friend of mine, an acomplished C programmer, uses Xemacs with syntax
highlighting.  Whenever I stop by his office to check out a peice of
code he's working on I say something like "Mmmm, fruity."  This seems
to annoy him.  He's pretty much a color freak, his X environment,
which he is constantly dinking with, is 16bpp for a reason -- he uses
most of them.  I don't know if this makes him more productive, but it
does seem to make him happy.


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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> > 	And, BTW, does xemacs have the same commands as emacs?  Or will I 
> > have to relearn everything if I switch to using xemacs?
> 
> No, of course you won't.  The interface, as appearing to the user is
> mostly the same (if somewhat nicer-looking).

Uhm... true in spirit, but there is some implementation differences
and some things that you have to do differently.  The main place
you'll notice a difference is in when coding Elisp packages.  They are
extremely similar but they do have a few minor differences.  As a
normal user you probably won't notice a whole lot of difference
"finger-feel" wise.  Gnu Emacs is faster, XEmacs has a more elaborate
X display mechanism, but they're both pretty much the same thing and
rwars over which to use are pretty stupid considering how alike they
really are.  Use the one you like best.

-- Gary F.

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I wish to unsubscribe to this list.  I've sent every possible form of
unsubscribe message to xemacs-request@xemacs.org that I can think of, to no
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Hello all, 

Does someone know how can i print my *HIGHLITED* text as a color ps ?

There is a similar question in the FAQ, but the solution given prints only
B/W ps.

Tnx,  


Paycher Alon
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 (tabe@ozgurluk.xs4all.nl) wrote:
> In article <kighgmxp9ol.fsf@jagor.srce.hr>, Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > What version of Gnus are you running?  Try to evaluate
> > (mail-extract-address-components "tabe@ozgurluk")
> I am running Gnus version 5.2.40
> when I try to evaluate the
> mail-extract-address-components("tabe@ozgurluk.xs4all.nl") (I have corrected my
> hosts file) I get:
> "Symbol's value as variable is void: mail-extract-address-components"

*No*!  Try to evaluate
(mail-extract-address-components "tabe@ozgurluk")

With that syntax exactly!

-- 
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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> * Hrvoje Niksic
> | It was/is quite trivial to check (there are NEWS files, and similar).
> | XEmacs developers regularly check for new features in GNU Emacs, and
> | do their best to implement them compatibly.
> so you assume guilt on your opponent's part because you think he neglects
> out of ill will to do something you _have_ to do because _you_ decided to
> split out to begin with?  such is not justice.

You are putting words in my mouth, Erik, and that is not nice.

1) GNU Emacs developers are *not* my opponents.
2) *I* didn't decide to split out -- I wasn't using Emacs at the time
   -- I wish you quit alluding to some things of the past.  These things
   are now as irrelevant as anti-RMS arguments regarding ange-ftp, and
    similar.

I was talking about duplicating features in an incompatible way.  I
didn't say it was intentional, or out of ill will.  If you press me, I
can explain it as lack of interest.  Lack of interest in these matters
may be defendable, but I don't consider it as a sign of good will,
either.  I hope things will move into a different direction soon.

> little value if the first question is not asked, namely "how do you know it
> was intentional?".  remember, XEmacs ceased to _exist_ as an input source
> after what the XEmacs folks did to some Emacs folks.  you complain about it

*What* did they do?  Really, I don't know.  Go ahead, tell me.  For
some time I've been looking for information, and noone has told me.

> when it suits you and ignore the fact when that suits you.  do you know why
> I don't trust XEmacs folks?  I don't know when they are honest and when

I have no blooming idea why you distrus XEmacs users or developer, and
I am not particularly interested.

> | teach-extended-commands-p was in 19.13, which was released before that
> | date.  It was probably in 19.12 too.
> you mean, like, there _are_ no ChangeLogs in XEmacs?  why can't you _know_
> the _exact_ date it was added, like I can by reading the Emacs ChangeLogs?
> I found it incongruous that XEmacs came without ChangeLogs.  I'm inclined
> to think that this is because they wish to hide information.

All of which has nothing to do with what I was saying -- GNU Emacs did
implement an existing XEmacs feature incompatibly.

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Jan D. (Jan.Djarv@mbox200.swipnet.se) wrote:
> > > Different people need different things.  If speed is a factor, 19.34
> > > is an upgrade.  If correct display on a Linux console is important
> > > 19.34 is an upgrade (could be ncurses fault, but the point is, 19.34
> > > does not have that error).  If separate minibuffers are important, 19.34
> > Neither does XEmacs 19.14, AFAIK.  Have you checked the latest
> > version?
> Of ncurses?

Of XEmacs.

> The problem is that XEmacs tries to do both bold and underline in
> some places (info for example).  Underline is not a real underline,
> but a colour combination.  So is bold.  Just happens that bold +
> underline gives white on white background i.e. nothing shows.

Hmm, you can try playing with edit-faces.  I don't know if there is a
"real" fix for this.

> Is there a switch to get XEmacs in terminal mode to do just text,
> i.e. no bold, no underline, no colour, no reverse video?

Again, you can fiddle with faces, like (copy-face 'default 'bold) and
so on.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
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* Q: What is an experienced Emacs user?
* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.

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Tuan Vo (vott@hg.uleth.ca) wrote:
> Where can I download these emacs and/or xemacs software?

Sources for the latest version of XEmacs can be found at
<URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/xemacs-19.14.tar.gz>

or a mirror site.

Sources for the latest version of GNU Emacs can be found at
<URL:ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu/emacs-19.34b.tar.gz>

or at a GNU mirror.

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PLEASE, somebody take pity on me and remove me from the XEmacs mailing list.
 All attempts to remove myself via unsubscribe requests to
xemacs-request@xemacs.org have failed.  I had the instructions mailed to me
when I joined the list, but they were lost in a disk error.  If somebody has
these instructions, please mail them to me.  Otherwise, Chuck, Steve or Ben,
please take pity on me and remove me from the xemacs mailing list.  The "holy
war" being waged on the "XEmacs vs Emacs" issue is driving me insane!

Thanks,

Joel.

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Hi.

I got a problem with xemacs-19.14 on Solaris.2.5. Upon configuration and
typing make, it seemingly compiles fine until the very end and when it
comes to dumping the result, it sais:
	

	[......]
	Dumping under names xemacs and emacs-19.14-XEmacs
Purespace usage: 635676 of 638000 (100%).
                           total:   bytes:
   cons cells:             12621   100968  16%
   float objects:             10      160   0%
   symbol-name strings:     7674   205348  32%
   compiled-function objects: 1670    53440   8%
	[..........]
   streams used:                        2
   streams on free list:                2
   stream storage:                    198
unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): 
	ld.so.1: ./temacs: 
	fatal: relocation error: 
	symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory 
	`/net/xxxxxx/local/quellen/xemacs-19.14/src'



Has anybody encountered this problem and knows how to approach it?


Thanks,
	Martin

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Steve Jones
> | Now your being silly, I have not said that _you_ need this or _you_ need
> | that, I am saying that for the _majority_ of users a GUI is a preferable
> | mode of interaction.
> 
> when did the majority receive the right to speak for all?

Nobody said that.  It is easy to configure a graphical Emac with colour
support in a way as to display no graphic menus and icons, and no
colours.  So an Emacs including these features can be configured to
act so that *all* are satisfied with the behaviour it shows for each
of them.  An Emacs without this support can't.

When did you receive the right to speak for all?

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From: DHunter@atl.co.uk (Donald Hunter)
To: mikeh@eidolon.speakeasy.org (Mike Hamrick)
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Subject: Re: Angry Fruit Salad (was Re:Emacs inferior to XEmacs)

Mike,

I agree that over use of colours becomes detrimental.  There
is good research evidence to support this theory.  I think
that the modeline in XEmacs 19.14 is an example of over use
of colour.

There is a difference between using, say, 5 colours for
syntax highlighting and using a 16bpp display so that all colour
pixmaps get displayed without dithering.  It is perfectly valid
to allow pixmaps to use 16, 32 or more colours so that they =
can be really effective icons.  You often find that many of the =
colours are in fact different shades of gray because the icons
have been dithered to make them look less chunky.  =

The term 'angry fruit salad' refers directly to the mix of
bright colours which do not mix well in the same image.  An
angry fruit salad in font-locking might be the use of several
high-contrast primary colours for different keywords.

On the other hand, the use of 'blue3' for types and variables,
'dark red' for keywords and 'red' for commoents means that all
code text is of a similar intensity.  Artifacts of the code
are still highlighted but not in a high contrast.  Commments, =
however, are shown in quite a different intensity.  This =
clearly indicates the transition between code and comments and,
in my opinion, gives the comments and code more clarity.

--
Donald Hunter.

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Subject: Re: Gnudoit & gnuclient ???
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Michael Tennes wrote:
> 
> Where is documentation for gnuclient and/or gnudoit?

Try 

man gnudoit/gnuclient

-- 
Thomas Feuster                      Institut fuer theoretische Physik
feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de   Justus Liebig Universitaet Giessen
Phone: +49 641 702-2832             Heinrich-Buff-Ring 16
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From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>
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Subject: Re: odd slow-downs of 19.14 on HP-UX 10.20
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Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:

> adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams) writes:
> 
> > Gary Beckmann (gary@radionics.com) wrote:
> > 
> > I've noticed something of a slowdown under HP-UX 10.  I haven't looked
> > at it very hard, but it appears that if you have a buffer showing in
> > more than one frame, Xemacs slows down to a crawl.
> 
> We have lots of problems with this on our HPs (10.10 and 10.01). Other
> posters have reported problems on Suns. One has noted that it looks as
> though the problem may be redisplay running to completion rather than
> stopping when new input is available.

     There is an XEmacs 19.14 bug where, under HP-UX (and other
platforms???), SIGIO does not work (new input is ignored until redisplay
ends).  I've appended a patch that includes fixes for this.  This may
fix the "slowdown" problem you're seeing.  *HOWEVER*, I was a bit sloppy
in fixing the SIGIO bug, and I may have broken the code for non-HP
platforms.  I don't know, though.

     I've given these patches to someone who said he'd clean it up and
forward it on the XEmacs folks, but I don't know if this happened.

     Items changed/fixed in this patch:

* SIGIO (fix for slow keys) should now work under HP-UX 9.X and 10.X.

* Fixed core dump that occurred if you passed bad parameters to the HP
  sound routines.

* S300 changes: XEmacs should now compile under S300s, and, in addition,
  it should now be possible to debug a dumped S300 XEmacs binary.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the
little green men that have been following him all day.

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  test 8455 -eq "$shar_count" ||
    echo "DIFFS.x: original size 8455, current size $shar_count"
fi
exit 0


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From: Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se
Subject: Post followup and mail reply in gnus?
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus,comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
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Hi.

I have a simple question which I can't figure out myself (I have tried
info and FAQ).

Is there a way to post a followup and mail a reply at the same time. I
can only find post followup and mail reply as separate commands. I'm
sure I'm missing something obvious, because I can't imagine that a
newsreader like gnus wouldn't have a function for this.

One ore question as I'm at it. Can I get different highlighting in the
summary buffer for messages with different score, now I get boldface
if >0 and italic if <0. Maybe you could even include a nice example of
highlighting :-).

If it's possible please mail a copy to me as well as posting in the
group :-).

Thanks
Anders
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Anders Magnusson (Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se) wrote:
> Is there a way to post a followup and mail a reply at the same time. I
> can only find post followup and mail reply as separate commands. I'm
> sure I'm missing something obvious, because I can't imagine that a
> newsreader like gnus wouldn't have a function for this.

Press `F' to followup, and once in message buffer, press `C-c C-t'.  A
`To' header with the correct address will be added automatically.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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* David Kastrup
| When did you receive the right to speak for all?

*sigh*.  I have not spoken for anybody else.  pay attention, dammit!  I'm
objecting to be told what I should prefer, when I don't.  there's a sizable
minority who do not prefer the "modern" user interfaces, but who are being
neglected because obnoxious GUI fanatics such as Steven Jones can't handle
the fact that people are not _identical_ and _must_ deal with things in
_exactly_ the same way, which would have made it possible to make user
interfaces for the "model A human", instead of letting individual users
choose their interface.  I don't speak for the minority, either.  _I only
represent the fact that they exist.  OK?

well, I _implicitly_ speak for all humans when I say: "hold it!  we're all
unique!  you can't speak about universal preferences."  if you object to
this, it's like the scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian where Brian
shouts "you're all unique!" and someone shouts "I'm not!".

as I have said numerous times already, I want programs to be written such
that they speak a reasonably complete _language_ that other programs can
talk, and then there's a program that talks to the user and handles the
user interface aspects.  this is in contrast to the user interfaces that
permeate every aspect of a program, as is often the case in "modern"
software.  then _more_ people could be productive with their computers,
instead of unproductive with somebody else's idea of what should have made
them productive.

when _did_ you think I was speaking for all, David?

#\Erik
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Subject: Re: condition-case works abnormally
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* Jari Aalto wrote:
> In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (hppa1.1-hp-hpux) of Thu Jul 25 1996 on lux
> 	By following your example from lispref.info-8
> 	'Writing Code to Handle Errors' there is example

>      (condition-case nil
>          (delete-file filename)
>        (error nil))

> 	This code works without problems in Emacs(19.28), but when I run
> 	it in XEmacs it gives me error if the variable
> 	debug-on-signal is set to t.

> 	Are you sure that this is a good idea? This means that
> 	if user had turned on the var, then the package that tries to
> 	ignore certain errors will stop working.

Well from the documentation of debug-on-signal it's clear that it's
meant for just this purpose -- trapping errors that otherwise would
have been caught by condition-case.  If you want condition-case to
continue to work you should use debug-on-error instead.

--tim


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>>>>> Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr>:

> This is a world conspiracy against you personally is it ?  Find a
> secretary, tell her she has to use an old Typewritter again, that
> she can't use Word any more because you say so.

As a side note: most use of Word in "office automation" today, seems
to be emulating use of a typewriter.  Ie. people have _one_ letter
document, _one_ memo document, and what have you.

New letters are written by editing this document (replacing addresses
and body text).  What's kept of this new letter, is the copy on dead
trees (and the old version that Word seems to keep indefinitely, and
has been mentioned on RISKS as a potential source of information
leakage). 

With this in mind, I don't really envision that returning to
typewriters would be such a dramatic step.


- Steinar

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From: Paul Price <pprice@fc.hp.com>
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Subject: Can I set up xemacs to use OS2/epm keys?
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I have moved from the OS2 world to unix. I have tried to use vi for
several months, but I just don't like it. I am looking at xemacs now,
but am not pleased with the complex key combinations. What I really want
is to configure it to use the keystrokes I was used to in epm. Does
anyone know if someone has already done these key mappings? I looked in
several FAQs with little success.

If you can point me in a good direction, please email me at the address
below. Thanks!

-- 
Paul Price
Email: pprice@cnd.hp.com

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Seriously people, this whole XEmacs vs Emacs "holy war" is getting really
childish and inane, and it's forcing a lot of people, including myself, to have
themselves removed from the XEmacs mailing list.  Can we not think of a more
constructive line of discussion . . .


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> 
> Seriously people, this whole XEmacs vs Emacs "holy war" is getting really
> childish and inane, and it's forcing a lot of people, including myself, to 
have
> themselves removed from the XEmacs mailing list.  Can we not think of a more
> constructive line of discussion . . .
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   Joel A. Shapiro 

How right you are. Asking about the respective merits of Emacs and Xemacs
is like throwing one banana into a bunch of monkeys to watch them fight
over it. You guys are sucking up more bandwidth than a bunch of puerile
PC weenies pulling cool graphics from the Web.  Most of us just do not
care and do not want to listen any more. Take it off line. (please)

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I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get Xemacs to
follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo system that you could
select a path in text to a file, to open that file. It was really handy
when reading thru doc's and just writing code, to be able to check a file. 
I hope I have made myself clear here, if not email me.

Thanks,

ray@fred.net

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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs? Who cares!!! Can some insane people shutup and stop this mud slinging ???
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Hi

	What Joel writes is completely true and I request people on this 
mailing list to voice their concern so that Erik et' al atleast realize 
that what they are doing is not the right thing to do.

	If they have to be rude they can write mails to each other rather 
than mailing !!! SHIT !!! on this mailing list.

--Saifi

------>>>
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Joel Shapiro wrote:

> 
> Seriously people, this whole XEmacs vs Emacs "holy war" is getting really
> childish and inane, and it's forcing a lot of people, including myself, to have
> themselves removed from the XEmacs mailing list.  Can we not think of a more
> constructive line of discussion . . .
> 
> 
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   Joel A. Shapiro                                          |>          |>
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> bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
> bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Some Smart Guy
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From: Tychon Emmanuel <manu@netline.be>
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Hello Everybody!

When I use C, Pascal, LISP,.. with Emacs, it will indent lines of codes.
Better, it will change color on certain key-words (such as C's
printf),... and so on.

BUT, when i edit Java source code, it doesen't make anything. No
indentation, no colors. So it's not so happy...

---> Does anyone has these magic files?? <----

[For user wich does not have colors, here is the HiLit files used here.
It works fine!]


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;ELC=13=00=00=00
;;; compiled by vecoven@micro6.montefiore.ulg.ac.be on Wed Aug 30 11:08:2=
0 1995
;;; from file /so5/emacs-19.28/lib/emacs/19.28/lisp/hilit19.el
;;; emacs version 19.28.1.
;;; bytecomp version FSF 2.10
;;; optimization is on.
;;; this file uses opcodes which do not exist in Emacs 18.

(if (and (boundp 'emacs-version)
	 (or (and (boundp 'epoch::version) epoch::version)
	     (string-lessp emacs-version "19")))
    (error "`/so5/emacs-19.28/lib/emacs/19.28/lisp/hilit19.el' was compil=
ed for Emacs 19"))

(defvar hilit-quietly nil "\
* If non-nil, this inhibits progress indicators during highlighting")
(defvar hilit-auto-highlight t "\
* T if we should highlight all buffers as we find 'em, nil to disable
  automatic highlighting by the find-file hook.")
(defvar hilit-auto-highlight-maxout 60000 "\
* auto-highlight is disabled in buffers larger than this")
(defvar hilit-auto-rehighlight t "\
* If this is non-nil, then hilit-redraw and hilit-recenter will also
  rehighlight part or all of the current buffer.  T will rehighlight the
  whole buffer, a NUMBER will rehighlight that many lines before and afte=
r
  the cursor, and the symbol 'visible' will rehighlight only the visible
  portion of the current buffer.  This variable is buffer-local.")
(make-variable-buffer-local (quote hilit-auto-rehighlight))
(defvar hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback (quote (20000 . 100)) "\
* Cons of the form (THRESHOLD . FALLBACK), where FALLBACK is assigned to
  hilit-auto-rehighlight if the size of a newly opened buffer is larger t=
han
  THRESHOLD.")
(defvar hilit-face-check t "\
* T slows down highlighting but permits the user to change fonts without
  losing bold and italic faces...  T causes hilit-lookup-face-create to d=
ig
  through the frame parameters for the current window every time it's cal=
led.
  If you never change fonts in emacs, set this to NIL.")
(defvar hilit-inhibit-rebinding nil "\
If non-nil, this inhibits replacement of recenter, yank, and yank-pop.")
(defvar hilit-inhibit-hooks nil "\
If non-nil, this inhibits installation of hooks for Info, gnus, & vm.")
(defvar hilit-background-mode (quote light) "\
'mono inhibits color, 'dark or 'light indicate the background brightness.=
")
(defvar hilit-mode-enable-list nil "\
If a list of modes to exclusively enable or specifically disable.
The sense of the list is negated if it begins with the symbol 'not'.
Set this variable before you load hilit19.

Ex:  (perl-mode jargon-mode c-mode)	; just perl, C, and jargon modes
     (not text-mode)			; all modes except text mode")
(defvar hilit-parser-alist nil "\
alist of major-mode values and parsers called by hilit-rehighlight-buffer=
=2E

Parsers for a given mode are IGNORED for partial rehighlights...maybe you=
'd
like to make this more universal?")
(defvar hilit-patterns-alist nil "\
alist of major-mode values and default highlighting patterns

A highlighting pattern is a list of the form (start end face), where
start is a regex, end is either a regex or a match number for start, and =
face
is the name of an entry in hilit-face-translation-table, the name of a fa=
ce,
or nil (which disables the pattern).

Each entry in the alist is of the form:
	(mode . (case-fold pattern [pattern ...]))

See the hilit-lookup-face-create documentation for valid face names.")
(defvar hilit-predefined-face-list (face-list) "\
List of faces with which hilit-lookup-face-create will NOT tamper.

If hilit19 is dumped into emacs at your site, you may have to set this in=

your init file.")
(defalias 'hilit-submit-feedback #[nil "=C0=C1!=88=C2=C3!=857=00=C4=C5=C6=
=C2=C7!=85#=00=C8=C9=C2=CA!=85\"=00=CB=CC!=85\"=00=CD\"=CE=CF=D0=D1=D2=D3=
=D4=D5=D6=D7=D8=D9=DA=DB=DC=DD=B0=0E&=06=87" [require reporter y-or-n-p "=
Do you really want to submit a report on hilit19? " reporter-submit-bug-r=
eport "Jonathan Stigelman <Stig@netcom.com>" "hilit19.el (Release 2.19)" =
"Do you need to include a dump hilit variables? " append (hilit-quietly h=
ilit-inhibit-hooks hilit-background-mode hilit-mode-enable-list hilit-aut=
o-highlight hilit-auto-highlight-maxout hilit-auto-rehighlight hilit-auto=
-rehighlight-fallback hilit-face-check) "Have you modified the standard p=
atterns? " yes-or-no-p "Are your patterns *REALLY* relevant? " (hilit-par=
ser-alist hilit-patterns-alist hilit-predefined-face-list) #[nil "=C0=C1!=
=85=0F=00=C2=C3=C4=C5!!=C6=B1=03=87" [y-or-n-p "Is this a problem with fo=
nt display? " "\nFrame Configuration:\n=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D\n" prin1-to-string frame-configuration-to-regist=
er 70 "\n"] 4] nil "This is (check all that apply, and delete what's irre=
levant):\n" "  [ ] a _MASSIVE_THANK_YOU_ for writing hilit19.el\n" "  [ ]=
 An invitation to attend the next Hackers Conference\n" "  [ ] You're a R=
IGHTEOUS HACKER, what are your rates?\n" "  [ ] I've used the force and r=
ead the source, but I'M CONFUSED\n" "  [ ] a PATCH. (output of 'diff -uw =
old.el new.el' or 'diff -cw')\n" "  [ ] a SERIOUS AND REPRODUCABLE BUG th=
at is not an EMACS bug\n" "     - I *swear* that it's not already mention=
ed in the KNOWN BUGS\n" "     - I HAVE CHECKED netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/B=
eta/hilit19.el.gz\n" "       for a newer release that fixes the problem.\=
n" "    >> I HAVE ALSO CHECKED netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/Beta/hl319.el.gz\=
n" "       This is the alpha version...what will become hilit19 (Beta 3.0=
).\n" "\n" "Hey Stig, I *know* you're busy but...\n"] 20 "\
Submit feedback on hilit19 to the author: Stig@netcom.com" nil])
(defconst hilit-default-face-table (quote ((comment firebrick-italic mocc=
asin italic) (include purple Plum1 bold-italic) (define ForestGreen-bold =
green bold) (defun blue-bold cyan-bold bold-italic) (decl RoyalBlue cyan =
bold) (type nil yellow nil) (keyword RoyalBlue cyan bold-italic) (label r=
ed-underline orange-underlined underline) (string grey40 orange underline=
) (vhdlkeyword RoyalBlue-underline cyan bold-italic) (vhdltype purple bro=
wn nil) (vhdlenum purple brown-bold nil) (vhdlattr RoyalBlue cyan bold-it=
alic) (vhdldefun blue-bold-underline cyan-bold bold-italic) (vhdldecl Roy=
alBlue-underline cyan bold) (struct black-bold white-bold bold) (glob-str=
uct magenta Plum1 default-bold-underline) (named-param DarkGoldenrod Gold=
enrod underline) (crossref DarkGoldenrod Goldenrod underline) (formula Go=
ldenrod DarkGoldenrod underline) (active-error default/pink-bold default/=
DeepPink-bold default-underline) (error red-bold yellow bold) (warning bl=
ue-italic green italic) (rule blue-bold-underline cyan-underline default-=
bold-underline) (msg-subject blue-bold yellow bold) (msg-from purple-bold=
 green bold) (msg-header firebrick-bold cyan italic) (msg-separator black=
/tan-bold black/lightblue nil) (msg-quote ForestGreen pink italic) (summa=
ry-seen grey40 white nil) (summary-killed grey50 white nil) (summary-Xed =
OliveDrab2 green nil) (summary-deleted firebrick white italic) (summary-u=
nread RoyalBlue yellow bold) (summary-new blue-bold yellow-bold bold-ital=
ic) (summary-current default/skyblue-bold green/dimgrey-bold reverse-defa=
ult) (gnus-group-unsubscribed grey50 white nil) (gnus-group-empty nil nil=
 nil) (gnus-group-full ForestGreen green italic) (gnus-group-overflowing =
firebrick red bold-italic) (dired-directory blue-bold cyan bold) (dired-l=
ink firebrick-italic green italic) (dired-ignored ForestGreen moccasin ni=
l) (dired-deleted red-bold-italic orange bold-italic) (dired-marked purpl=
e Plum1 nil) (jargon-entry blue-bold cyan bold) (jargon-xref purple-bold =
Plum1 italic) (jargon-keyword firebrick-underline yellow underline))) "\
alist of default faces (face . (light-default dark-default mono-default))=


There is no way for the user to modify this table such that it will have =
any
effect upon the translations used by hilit19.  Instead, use the function
hilit-translate AFTER hilit19 has been loaded.

See also the documentation for hilit-lookup-face-create.")
(defconst hilit-face-translation-table (byte-code "=C0 =83\f=00	=C2=9EA=86=

=00=C3=1C=C5=C6=0E=07\")=87" [x-display-color-p hilit-background-mode ((l=
ight . 1) (dark . 2)) 3 index mapcar #[(x) "=08@	=088B=87" [x index] 3] h=
ilit-default-face-table] 3) "\
alist that maps symbolic face-names to real face names")
(defalias 'hilit-translate '(macro . #[(&rest args) "=C0	G=C2=A6!=84
=00=C3=C4!=88=C5=89=89=1E=06=1E=07=1E=08	=838=00	@=16=07	A@=16=06	AA=11=C9=
=CA=CB=0E=07D=0E=06F=0E=08B=16=08=82=16=00=CC=0E=08+B=87" [zerop args 2 e=
rror "wrong number of args" nil to from cmdl hilit-associate (quote hilit=
-face-translation-table) quote progn] 4 "\
(hilit-translate FROM TO FROM TO ...): translate each face FROM to the
value of its TO face.  This is like setq for faces.

The function hilit-lookup-face-create will repeatedly translate until no =
more
translations for the face exist in the translation table.

See the documentation for hilit-lookup-face-create for names of valid fac=
es."]))
(defalias 'hilit-lookup-face-create #[(face &optional force) "=C0=C1=1A=1B=
=0B=83)=00\f\n>=83=16=00=C5=C6\n\"=88=82=04=00\f\nB=12\f=0E=07=9E=89=13=83=
=04=00=0BA=14=82=04=00*=C8\f!=1E	=CA =1E=0B=CC=CD=0E=0B!=9EA=1E=0E=C1=1D=C1=
=1E=0F=C1=1E=10\f=83=9D=01\f=0E=11>=84=9D=01=0E=12=84i=00\f=D3 >=83i=00=0E=
=14=83=9D=01\f=CEN=0E=0E=98=84=9D=01=D5=D6=D7\"=88=D8=D9=0E	\"=83=82=00=DA=
=D7!=88=0E	=DB=95=C1O=16	=D8=DC=0E	\"=83=A5=00=DD=94=85=90=00=DE=0E	=DF=94=
=DF=95OP=16=0F=0E	=DB=95=C1O=16	=82=AA=00=C5=E0\f\"=88=D8=E1=0E	\"=83=CA=00=
=DD=94=85=B8=00=DE=0E	=DF=94=DF=95OP=16=10=0E	=DB=95=C1O=16	=E2=0E=0F=98=83=
=D4=00=C1=16=0F=E2=0E=10=98=83=DE=00=C1=16=10=C1=E3=E4=8F=88
=84=9D=01\f=C1=0E=0B=1E=0B=1E\f=1C=0E\f;=83=FF=00=E5=0E\f\f=0E=0B#=16\f=E6=
\f=CC=0E\f=E7=0E=0B%=88+\f=D8=E8=0E	\"=C1=1E=0B=1E)=1C=E6\f=EA=0E)=EB=0E=0B=
%=88+=D8=EC=0E	\"=83_=01=ED\f=0E=0B=EE#=88\f=89=0E=0B=1E=0B=1C=EF\f=0E=0B=
\"=E7H*=C0=1E=0B=1E\f=1C=0E\f;=83T=01=E5=0E\f\f=0E=0B#=16\f=E6\f=CC=0E\f=E7=
=0E=0B%=88+=D8=F0=0E	\"=83=9D=01=F1\f=0E=0B=EE#=88\f=89=0E=0B=1E=0B=1C=EF=
\f=0E=0B\"=E7H*=C0=1E=0B=1E\f=1C=0E\f;=83=92=01=E5=0E\f\f=0E=0B#=16\f=E6\=
f=CC=0E\f=E7=0E=0B%=88+.=06\f=87" [t nil visited trec face error "face tr=
anslation loop: %S" hilit-face-translation-table symbol-name fn selected-=
frame frame font frame-parameters basefont fgcolor bgcolor hilit-predefin=
ed-face-list force face-list hilit-face-check copy-face default scratch-f=
ace string-match "^reverse-?" invert-face 0 "^\\(hex-\\)?\\([A-Za-z0-9]+\=
\)" 1 "#" 2 "bad face name %S" "^/\\(hex-\\)?\\([A-Za-z0-9]+\\)" "default=
" (byte-code "=C0	=C2=1B=1C=1D=C6
=C7\f=C8=0B%=88+=C0=0E	=C2=1B=1C=1D=C6
=CA\f=CB=0B%=88+=CC=C0
\"=88=CD
=CE=0E=0E#=87" [scratch-face fgcolor nil frame color face internal-set-fa=
ce-1 foreground 4 bgcolor background 5 copy-face put basefont] 6) ((error=
 (byte-code "=C0=C1=C2=0B!\"=88=C4=13=C5=16=06=C0=87" [message "couldn't =
allocate color for '%s'" symbol-name face default t error] 4))) x-resolve=
-font-name internal-set-face-1 3 "underline" underline-p underline 7 ".*b=
old" make-face-bold noerr internal-get-face ".*italic" make-face-italic] =
7 "\
Get a FACE, or create it if it doesn't exist.  In order for it to
properly create the face, the followwing naming convention must be used:
    [reverse-](fgcolor[/bgcolor])[-bold][-italic][-underline]
Example: (hilit-lookup-face-create 'comment-face) might create and return=
 'red

Each color is either the name of an X color (see .../X11/lib/X11/rgb.txt)=
,
a hexadecimal specification of the form \"hex-[0-9A-Fa-f]+\", or \"defaul=
t\".

An optional argument, FORCE, will cause the face to be recopied from the
default...which is probably of use only if you've changed fonts.

See the documentation for hilit-translate and hilit-face-translation-tabl=
e."])
(defalias 'hilit-region-set-face #[(start end face-name &optional prio pr=
op) "=C0	\n\"=1B=C4=0B=C5=0E=06#=88=C4=0B=0E=07=86=14=00=C8=C9#=88=0E\n=85=
\"=00=C4=0B=CB=0E\n#)=87" [make-overlay start end overlay overlay-put fac=
e face-name prop hilit t prio priority] 4 "\
Highlight region from START to END using FACE and, optionally, PRIO.
The optional 5th arg, PROP is a property to set instead of 'hilit."])
(put (quote hilit-region-set-face) (quote byte-optimizer) (quote byte-com=
pile-inline-expand))
(defalias 'hilit-unhighlight-region #[(start end &optional quietly) "=08=84=
\f=00	=84\f=00=C2=C3!=88=C4=1D=0E=06=837=00=0E=06
V=837=00=0E=06=0E=07W=837=00=C8=C9=CA=0E=06!\"=88=0E=06=15=CB=0E=06!=89=16=
=06=84=13=00)=08=86C=00	=86C=00=C2=CC!=87" [quietly hilit-quietly message=
 "Unhighlighting" 0 lstart start end mapcar #[(ovr) "=C0	=C2\"=85\n=00=C3=
	!=87" [overlay-get ovr hilit delete-overlay] 3] overlays-at next-overlay=
-change "Done unhighlighting"] 5 "\
Unhighlights the region from START to END, optionally in a QUIET way" "r"=
])
(defalias 'hilit-highlight-region #[(start end &optional patterns quietly=
) "=08=84\f=00	\n=9EA=10=82=16=00=089=83=16=00=08\n=9EA=10=08@=08GS=C3=89=
=89=89=89=C4=1D=1E=06=1E=07=1E=08=1E	=1E\n=1E=0B=1E\f=08A=10=8A=8C=0E
=0E=0E}=88=08=83=8D=00=08@=89=16\n@=16	=0E\nA@=16=08=CF=D0=0E\n8!=89=16=07=
=83=81=00=0E=11=84y=00=0E=12=84y=00=D3=D4=0E=0B=0E	=0E=08;=83v=00=D5=0E=08=
P=82w=00=D6$=88eb=88=D7=D8=D9=8F=88=0E=0BS=16=0B=08A=89=10=84?=00*=0E=11=86=
=9B=00=0E=12=86=9B=00=D3=D6!.=08=87" [patterns major-mode hilit-patterns-=
alist nil 0 puke-count mstart face pend pstart p prio case-fold-search st=
art end hilit-lookup-face-create 2 quietly hilit-quietly message "highlig=
hting %d: %s%s" " ... " "" msg (byte-code "=089=83O=00=C1=1A=08=0B!=89=12=
=83K=00\n@\nA\f
=C1=1E=06=1D=1E=07=1E=08=1E	=CA=0E	=0E=08\"=1E=0B=CC=0E=0B=C4=0E=07#=88=CC=
=0E=0B=0E=06=868=00=CD=CE#=88
=85E=00=CC=0E=0B=CF
#)=88-=82=07=00)=82=01=01=0B;=83=AF=00=D0=08=C1=CE=C1$=83=01=01=D1=94=89=16=
=12b=88=D0=0B=C1=CE=C1$=83=A9=00=0E=12=D1=95\f
=C1=1E=06=1D=1E=07=1E=08=1E	=CA=0E	=0E=08\"=1E=0B=CC=0E=0B=C4=0E=07#=88=CC=
=0E=0B=0E=06=86=96=00=CD=CE#=88
=85=A3=00=CC=0E=0B=CF
#)=88-=82T=00=D3u=88=82T=00=0B=A7=83=FD=00=D0=08=C1=CE=C1$=83=01=01=0B=95=
b=88=0B=94=0B=95\f
=C1=1E=06=1D=1E=07=1E=08=1E	=CA=0E	=0E=08\"=1E=0B=CC=0E=0B=C4=0E=07#=88=CC=
=0E=0B=0E=06=86=EA=00=CD=CE#=88
=85=F7=00=CC=0E=0B=CF
#)=88-=82=B4=00=D4=D5!=88=C1=87" [pstart nil region pend face prio prop f=
ace-name end start make-overlay overlay overlay-put hilit t priority re-s=
earch-forward 0 mstart 1 error "malformed pattern"] 5) ((error (byte-code=
 "=08T=89=10=C1V=83=10=00=C2=0B!=88=82=1C=00=C4=C5=0B\"=88=C6 =88=C7=C8!=88=
=C1=87" [puke-count 1 error msg message "Error: '%s'" ding sit-for 4] 3))=
)] 9 "\
Highlights the area of the buffer between START and END (the region when
interactive).  Without the optional PATTERNS argument, the pattern for
major-mode is used.  If PATTERNS is a symbol, then the patterns associate=
d
with that symbol are used.  QUIETLY suppresses progress messages if
non-nil." "r"])
(defalias 'hilit-rehighlight-region #[(start end &optional quietly) "=8C~=
=88=C0=C1\n=C3=C4=C5\n!\"#=12=C0=C6=0E=07=C3=C8=C5=0E=07!\"#=16=07=C9\n=0E=
=07=0E\n#=88=CB\n=0E=07=CC=0E\n$)=87" [apply min start mapcar overlay-sta=
rt overlays-at max end overlay-end hilit-unhighlight-region quietly hilit=
-highlight-region nil] 7 "\
Re-highlights the region, optionally in a QUIET way" "r"])
(defalias 'hilit-rehighlight-buffer #[(&optional quietly) "=08	=9EA=89=1A=
=83=10=00\n=0B!=88=82=16=00=C4ed=0B#=88)=C5=87" [major-mode hilit-parser-=
alist parse-fn quietly hilit-rehighlight-region nil] 5 "\
Re-highlights the buffer, optionally in a QUIET way" ""])
(defalias (quote hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly) #[nil "=C0=C1!=87" [hi=
lit-rehighlight-buffer t] 2])
(defalias 'hilit-rehighlight-message #[(quietly) "=8Aeb=88=C0=C1=C2=C3#=88=
=C4ed
#=88=C6e`=C7
$=88=C6`d=C8
$)=87" [re-search-forward "^$" nil noerr hilit-unhighlight-region quietly=
 hilit-highlight-region msg-header msg-body] 5 "\
Highlight a buffer containing a news article or mail message."])
(defalias (quote hilit-highlight-buffer) (quote hilit-rehighlight-buffer)=
)
(defalias 'hilit-find-file-hook #[nil "=08=85\"=00	\n=9E=85\"=00=0B\f@V=83=
=14=00\fA=15=0B=0E=06V?=85\"=00=C7 =88=C8=C9!=87" [hilit-auto-highlight m=
ajor-mode hilit-patterns-alist buffer-saved-size hilit-auto-rehighlight-f=
allback hilit-auto-rehighlight hilit-auto-highlight-maxout hilit-rehighli=
ght-buffer set-buffer-modified-p nil] 2 "\
Find-file hook for hilit package.  See the variable hilit-auto-highlight.=
"])
(defalias 'hilit-repaint-command #[(arg) "=C0=89=89=19=1A=1B\f=84\f=00
=14\f=C6=3D=84=18=00\f=C7=3D=83#=00=C8 =13=C9 =12=CA=11=82A=00\f=A7=83:=00=
=8A\f[y=88`)=13=8A\fy=88`)=12=82A=00\f=83A=00=CB =88=0B=85J=00=CC=0B\n	#+=
=87" [nil quietly en st arg hilit-auto-rehighlight visible - window-start=
 window-end t hilit-rehighlight-buffer hilit-rehighlight-region] 4 "\
Rehighlights according to the value of hilit-auto-rehighlight, or the
prefix argument if that is specified.
	\\[hilit-repaint-command]		repaint according to hilit-auto-rehighlight
	^U \\[hilit-repaint-command]	repaint entire buffer
	^U - \\[hilit-repaint-command]	repaint visible portion of buffer
	^U n \\[hilit-repaint-command]	repaint n lines to either side of point" =
"P"])
(defalias 'hilit-recenter #[(arg) "=C0	!=88=C2=C3!=88=C4	:!=87" [recenter=
 arg sit-for 0 hilit-repaint-command] 2 "\
Recenter, then rehighlight according to hilit-auto-rehighlight.  If calle=
d
with an unspecified prefix argument (^U but no number), then a rehighligh=
t of
the entire buffer is forced." "P"])
(defalias 'hilit-yank #[(arg) "=C0=19=C2=0B!=88\f=83=12=00=C5=C6 =C7 =C8#=
=88=C2=89=16	)=87" [nil transient-mark-mode yank arg hilit-auto-rehighlig=
ht hilit-rehighlight-region region-beginning region-end t this-command] 4=
 "\
Yank with rehighlighting" "*P"])
(defalias 'hilit-yank-pop #[(arg) "=C0=19=C2=0B!=88\f=83=12=00=C5=C6 =C7 =
=C8#=88=C9=89=16\n)=87" [nil transient-mark-mode yank-pop arg hilit-auto-=
rehighlight hilit-rehighlight-region region-beginning region-end t yank t=
his-command] 4 "\
Yank-pop with rehighlighting" "*p"])
(byte-code "=08=84=1D=00	=83=1D=00=C2=C3=C4=C5 #=88=C2=C6=C7=C5 #=88=C2=C8=
=C9=C5 #=88=CA=CB=CC\"=88	=83,=00=CD=CE=CF=D0#=88=0E=11=84:=00	=83:=00=D2=
=D3=D4=8F=88=D5=16=16=D5=87" [hilit-inhibit-rebinding window-system subst=
itute-key-definition yank hilit-yank current-global-map yank-pop hilit-ya=
nk-pop recenter hilit-recenter global-set-key [2097164] hilit-repaint-com=
mand add-hook find-file-hooks hilit-find-file-hook t hilit-inhibit-hooks =
c (byte-code "=C0=C1=C2\"=88=C3=C4=C5\"=87" [mapcar #[(hook) "=C0	=C2\"=87=
" [add-hook hook hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly] 3] (Info-selection-hoo=
k vm-summary-pointer-hook vm-preview-message-hook vm-show-message-hook gn=
us-article-prepare-hook gnus-summary-prepare-hook gnus-group-prepare-hook=
 rmail-show-message-hook mail-setup-hook mh-show-mode-hook dired-after-re=
adin-hook) add-hook gnus-mark-article-hook #[nil "=08	>=84\n=00=C2=08!=88=
=C3 =88=8A\fq=88=C5=C6 =C7 =C8#)=87" [gnus-current-article gnus-newsgroup=
-marked gnus-summary-mark-as-read gnus-summary-set-current-mark gnus-summ=
ary-buffer hilit-rehighlight-region window-start window-end t] 4]] 3) ((e=
rror (byte-code "=C0=C1\n\"=88=C3 =88=C4=C5!=87" [message "Error loading =
highlight hooks: %s" c ding sit-for 1] 3))) nil hilit-patterns-alist] 4)
(defalias 'hilit-associate #[(alist key val) "=08=C1\n!=9E=89=1B=83=10=00=
=0B\f=A1=82=19=00\n=08\fB=C1\n!BL)=87" [key eval alist oldentry val] 5 "\=

creates, or destructively replaces, the pair (key . val) in alist"])
(defalias 'hilit-set-mode-patterns #[(modelist patterns &optional parse-f=
n case-fold) "=C0=C1\n\"=88=0B\nB=12\f:=84=11=00\fC=14=C5=0E=06@=C7=3D=1E=
=08=1E	=C0=CA\f\"*=87" [mapcar #[(p) "=08@;=85=11=00=08A@?=85=11=00=08A=C1=
=A0=87" [p 0] 2] patterns case-fold modelist nil hilit-mode-enable-list n=
ot flip ok #[(m) "=08?=86=08=00	=08>=12=0B=83=10=00\n?=12\n=85$=00\f=83=1E=
=00=C5=C6	\f#=88=C5=C7	=0E=08#=87" [hilit-mode-enable-list m ok flip pars=
e-fn hilit-associate hilit-parser-alist hilit-patterns-alist patterns] 4]=
] 3 "\
Sets the default highlighting patterns for MODE to PATTERNS.
See the variable hilit-mode-enable-list.

Takes optional arguments PARSE-FN and CASE-FOLD."])
(defalias 'hilit-add-pattern #[(pstart pend face &optional mode first) "=08=
=C1=9A=83\n=00=C2=C3!=88\f=C1=9A=83=15=00=C5=14=82 =00=C6=C7\f\"=83 =00=C8=
\f!=14=0E	=84)=00=0E\n=16	=0E	=0E=0B=9EA=08\f=0E\fE=1E
=89=1E=0E=84G=00=CF=0E	=0E
C\"=88=82`=00=0E=10=83Y=00=0E=0E=0E
=0E=0EAB=A1=88=82`=00=0E=0E=0E
C=A4=88*t=85g=00=D1 =87" [pstart "" error "Must specify starting regex" p=
end 0 string-match "^[0-9]+$" string-to-int mode major-mode hilit-pattern=
s-alist face new-pat old-patterns hilit-set-mode-patterns first hilit-reh=
ighlight-buffer] 5 "\
Highlight pstart with face for the current major-mode.
Optionally, place the new pattern first in the pattern list" "sPattern st=
art regex: \nsPattern end regex (default none): \nxFace: "])
(defalias 'hilit-string-find #[(qchar) "=C0=89=19=1A=C3=C4=C0=C5#=83=18=00=
=0E=06=C7=94=89=12Sf=3D=84=04=00=C3=C4=C0=C5#=838=00=8A`=11=C8u=88=C9=C0x=
=88=CAu=88	`Z=CB=A6=C7U)=83=18=00	=85?=00\n	B*=87" [nil en st search-forw=
ard "\"" t qchar 0 -1 "\\\\" 1 2] 4 "\
looks for a string and returns (start . end) or NIL.  The argument QCHAR
is the character that would precede a character constant double quote.
Finds strings delimited by double quotes.  The first double quote may not=
 be
preceded by QCHAR and the closing double quote may not be preceded by an =
odd
number of backslashes."])
(byte-code "=C0=C1=C2=C3=1C=1D=1E=06=1E=07=C8=C9=CA=0E=07
\f=CB$\"=88=C8=CC=CA=0E=07=0E=06
\f=CD%\"=88,=C8=CE=CF=D0=D1$=88=C8=D2=D3\"=88=C8=D4=D5\"=88=C8=D6=D7=D0=D1=
$=88=C8=D8=D9=D0=D1$=88=C8=DA=DB\"=88=C8=DC=DD\"=88=C8=DE=DF\"=88=C8=E0=E1=
\"=88=C8=E2=E3\"=88=E4=1E%=E6=1E'=CA=0E%=0E'\"=1E(=C8=E9=0E%\"=88=C8=EA=0E=
'\"=88=C8=EB=0E(=EC#=88+=C8=ED=EE\"=88=C8=EF=F0\"=88=C8=F1=F2\"=88=C8=F3=F4=
\"=88=C8=F5=F6\"=88=C8=F7=F8\"=88=C8=F9=FA=D0=D1$=88=C8=FB=FC\"=88=C8=FD=CA=
=FE=FF=81@=00=81A=00=0EB=81C=00#=81D=00Q=81E=00BC\"\"=88=C8=81F=00=81G=00=
\"=88=C8=81H=00=81I=00\"=88=C8=81J=00=81K=00\"=88=C8=81L=00=81M=00=D0=D1$=
=88=C8=81N=00=81O=00\"=88=81P=00=81Q=00!=87" [(("/\\*" "\\*/" comment)) (=
("//.*$" nil comment) ("^/.*$" nil comment)) ((hilit-string-find 39 strin=
g)) (("^#[ 	]*\\(undef\\|define\\).*$" "[^\\]$" define) ("^#.*$" nil incl=
ude)) preprocessor strings c++-comments comments hilit-set-mode-patterns =
(c-mode c++-c-mode elec-c-mode) append (("^\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *\\(\\(\\=
w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[^)]*)+" nil defun) ("^\\(typedef\\|struct\\|un=
ion\\|enum\\).*$" nil decl) ("[ \n	({]\\(\\(const\\|register\\|volatile\\=
|unsigned\\|extern\\|static\\)\\s +\\)*\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+_t\\|float\\|d=
ouble\\|void\\|char\\|short\\|int\\|long\\|FILE\\|\\(\\(struct\\|union\\|=
enum\\)\\([ 	]+\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)*\\)\\)\\)\\(\\s +\\*+)?\\|[ \n	;()]\\)" n=
il type) ("[^_]\\<\\(return\\|goto\\|if\\|else\\|case\\|default\\|switch\=
\|break\\|continue\\|while\\|do\\|for\\)\\>[^_]" 1 keyword)) c++-mode (("=
^\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+::\\)?\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s =
*((\\|(\\)[^)]*)+" nil defun) ("^\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+[ 	]*::[ 	]*\\)?\\(\=
\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\|operator.*\\)\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[^=
)]*)+" nil defun) ("^\\(friend\\|template\\|typedef\\|struct\\|union\\|cl=
ass\\|enum\\|public\\|private\\|protected\\).*$" nil decl) ("[ \n	({]\\(\=
\(const\\|register\\|volatile\\|unsigned\\|extern\\|static\\)\\s +\\)*\\(=
\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+_t\\|float\\|double\\|void\\|char\\|short\\|int\\|long\\=
|FILE\\|\\(\\(struct\\|union\\|enum\\|class\\)\\([ 	]+\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)*\\=
)\\)\\)\\(\\(\\s +\\*+)\\|\\(\\*+\\s +\\)\\)?\\|[ \n	;()]\\)" nil type) (=
"[^_]\\<\\(return\\|goto\\|if\\|else\\|case\\|default\\|switch\\|break\\|=
continue\\|while\\|do\\|for\\|public\\|protected\\|private\\|delete\\|new=
\\)\\>[^_]" 1 keyword)) vhdl-mode (("\\('.?'\\|'''\\)" nil string) (hilit=
-string-find 39 string) ("^--.*$" nil comment) ("\\s ?--.*$" nil comment)=
 ("\\b'\\(base\\|left\\|right\\|high\\|l\\|ascending\\|image\\|value\\|po=
s\\|val\\|succ\\|pred\\|leftof\\|rightof\\|range\\|reverse_range\\|length=
\\|delayed\\|stable\\|quiet\\|transaction\\|event\\|active\\|last_event\\=
|last_active\\|last_value\\|driving\\|driving_value\\|behavior\\|structur=
e\\|simple_name\\|instance_name\\|path_name\\)\\b" nil vhdlattr) ("\\b\\(=
boolean\\|character\\|bit\\|severity_level\\|integer\\|real\\|time\\|dela=
y_length\\|natural\\|positive\\|string\\|bit_vector\\|file_open_kind\\|fi=
le_open_status\\)\\b" nil vhdltype) ("\\b\\(true\\|false\\|nul\\|soh\\|[e=
s]tx\\|eot\\|enq\\|ack\\|[bd]el\\|bs\\|ht\\|vt\\|[lf]f\\|cr\\|so\\|si\\|d=
le\\|dc[1-4]\\|nak\\|syn\\|etb\\|can\\|em\\|sub\\|esc\\|[fgru]sp\\|c12[89=
]\\|c1[345][0-9]\\|note\\|warning\\|error\\|failure\\|fs\\|ps\\|ns\\|us\\=
|ms\\|sec\\|min\\|hr\\|read_mode\\|write_mode\\|append_mode\\|open_ok\\|s=
tatus_error\\|name_error\\|mode_error\\)\\b" nil vhdlenum) ("\\b\\(use\\|=
package\\|body\\|library\\|configuration\\|entity\\|architecture\\)\\b" n=
il vhdldefun) ("\\b\\(constant\\|variable\\|procedure\\|function\\|signal=
\\|type\\|subtype\\|file\\|group\\|component\\|block\\|process\\)\\b" nil=
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;; hilit19.el (Release 2.19) -- customizable highlighting for Emacs19.
;; Copyright (c) 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;;
;; Author:   Jonathan Stigelman <Stig@netcom.com>
;; Keywords: faces
;; =

;; This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
;; (at your option) any later version.
;; =

;; This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;; =

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
;; Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
;;

;;; Commentary:

;; Hilit19.el is a customizable highlighting package for Emacs19.  It sup=
ports
;; not only source code highlighting, but also Info, RMAIL, VM, gnus...
;; Hilit19 knows (or thinks it knows) how to highlight emacs buffers in
;; about 25 different modes.
;; =

;; WHERE TO GET THE LATEST VERSIONS OF HILIT19.EL (beta and release), =

;; PLUS LOTS OF OTHER *WAY COOL* STUFF VIA ANONYMOUS FTP:
;;
;;      netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/{Beta,Release}/hilit19.el.gz
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; TO SUBMIT BUG REPORTS (or feedback of any sort)...
;;
;;    M-x hilit-submit-feedback RET
;;
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;;;;
;;
;; hilit19.el,v 2.19 1993/09/08 18:44:10 stig Release
;;
;; LCD Archive Entry:
;; hilit19|Jonathan Stigelman|Stig@netcom.com|
;; Comprehensive (and comparatively fast) regex-based highlighting for Em=
acs 19|
;; 1993/09/08 18:44:10|Release 2.19|~/packages/hilit19.el.Z|
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; GENERAL OVERVIEW
;;
;;      This package installs numerous hooks to colorfully highlight your=

;;      source code buffers as well as mail and news buffers.  Most =

;;      programming languages have predefined highlighting patterns.
;;	Just load hilit19 and files will be automatically highlighted as
;;      they're loaded.
;;
;;      Rehighlight a buffer by typing C-S-l (control-shift-lowercase-L).=

;;
;;      If, when you edit the buffer, the coloring gets messed up, just
;;      redraw and the coloring will be adjusted.  If automatic highlight=
ing
;;      in the current buffer has been turned off, then typing C-u C-S-l =
will
;;	force a rehighlight of the entire buffer.
;;
;;      Hilit19 can build faces by examining the names that you give to t=
hem
;;	For example, green/black-bold-italic-underline would be created as
;;	a face with a green foreground, and a black background, using a =

;;	bold-italic font...with underlining for good measure.
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; SETUP -- In your .emacs:
;;
;; =

;; (cond (window-system
;;        (setq hilit-mode-enable-list  '(not text-mode)
;;              hilit-background-mode   'light
;;              hilit-inhibit-hooks     nil
;;              hilit-inhibit-rebinding nil)
;; =

;;        (require 'hilit19)
;;        ))
;; =

;; If you like font-lock-mode and want to use both packages, then you can=

;; disable hilit for the modes in which you want to use font-lock by list=
ing
;; said modes in hilit-mode-enable-list.
;; =

;;      (hilit-translate type     'RoyalBlue   ; enable highlighting in C=
/C++
;;			 string	  nil)         ; disable string highlighting
;;
;; To get 100% of the utility of hilit19, you may also have to apply the
;; patches below for info.el and vm5.33L_19/vm-summary.el
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; SETUP -- Are you using the right font for Emacs?
;;
;; Emacs cannot properly find bold and italic fonts unless you specify a
;; verbose X11 font name.  If you specify a font for emacs in your
;; .Xdefaults, it *MUST* be specified using the long form of the font nam=
e.
;; Here's a good font menu:
;;
;; (setq
;;  x-fixed-font-alist
;;  '("Font Menu"
;;    ("Misc"
;;     ("6x12" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--12-110-75-75-c-60-*-1=
")
;;     ("6x13" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-*-1=
")
;;     ("lucida 13"
;;      "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-0-0-0-0-m-0-*-1")
;;     ("7x13" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-*-1")
;;     ("7x14" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-*-1")
;;     ("9x15" "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-*-*-c-*-*-1")
;;     ("")
;;     ("clean 8x8" "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-80-*-*-c-*-*-1"=
)
;;     ("clean 8x14" "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-c-*-*-=
1")
;;     ("clean 8x10" "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-c-*-*-=
1")
;;     ("clean 8x16" "-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-160-*-*-c-*-*-=
1")
;;     ("")
;;     ("sony 8x16" "-sony-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-*-1=
")
;;     ("")
;;     ("-- Courier --")
;;     ("Courier 10" "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     ("Courier 12" "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     ("Courier 14" "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     ("Courier 18" "-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-180-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     ("Courier 18-b" "-adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-180-*-*-m-*-*-1")=

;;     )))
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; KNOWN BUGS/TO DO LIST/HELP WANTED/APPLY WITHIN
;;
;; * When more than one size of font is used in different frames, only on=
e
;;   font size can have bold & italic properties.
;;
;; * unbalanced, unescaped double quote characters can confuse hilit19.
;;   This will be fixed someday, so don't bug me about it.
;;
;; * ALTHOUGH HILIT19 IS FASTER THAN FONT-LOCK-MODE...
;;   For various reasons, the speed of the package could still stand to b=
e
;;   improved.  If you care to do a little profiling and make things tigh=
ter...
;;
;; * hilit-toggle-highlight is flaky when auto-rehighlight is neither t n=
or nil.
;;   Does anyone actually USE this?  I think I might just remove it.
;;
;; PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN TAKE OVER BECAUSE I DON'T MUCH CARE ABOUT THEM..=
=2E
;;
;; * Moved hilit-wysiwyg-replace here from my version of man.el, this is =
not
;;   a bug.  The bug is that I don't have a reverse operation yet...just =
a
;;   stub Wysiwyg-anything really belongs in a package of it's own.
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; Thanks to the following people for their input:
;;    ebert@enpc.enpc.fr (Rolf EBERT), ada, LaTeX & bibtex highlights
;;    Vivek Khera <khera@cs.duke.edu>, gnus hooks + random advice & patch=
es
;;    brian@athe.WUstl.EDU (Brian Dunford-Shore), prolog highlights
;;    John Ladwig <jladwig@soils.umn.edu>, 1st pass nroff highlights
;;    campo@sunthpi3.difi.unipi.it (Massimo Campostrini), fortran highlig=
hts
;;    jayb@laplace.MATH.ColoState.EDU (Jay Bourland), 1st pass dired
;;    Yoshio Turner <yoshio@CS.UCLA.EDU>, modula 2 highlights
;;    Fritz Knabe <knabe@ecrc.de>, advice & patches
;;    Alon Albert <alon@milcse.rtsg.mot.com>, advice & patches
;;    dana@thumper.bellcore.com (Dana A. Chee), working on the multi-fram=
e bug
;;    derway@ndc.com (Don Erway), for breaking it...
;;    moss_r@summer.chem.su.oz.au (Richard Moss), first pass at add-patte=
rn
;;    Olivier Lecarme <ol@aiguemarine.unice.fr>, Pascal & Icon patterns
;;
;; With suggestions and minor regex patches from numerous others...
;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; hilit19.el,v
;; Revision 2.19  1993/09/08  18:44:10  stig
;; installed patch for elusive bug in hilit-rehighlight-region that cause=
d
;; hilit-unhighlight-region to hang in an infinite loop.
;;
;; Revision 2.18  1993/08/27  03:51:00  stig
;; minor mods to lisp-mode and c/c++ mode patterns
;;
;; Revision 2.17  1993/08/25  02:19:17  stig
;; work-around for bug in next-overlay-change that caused dired and jargo=
n-mode
;; to hang in an endless loop.  Perhaps other modes were doing this too.
;;
;; Revision 2.16  1993/08/22  19:46:00  stig
;; bug fix for next-overlay-change and accompanying change to
;; hilit-unhighlight-region
;;
;; Revision 2.15  1993/08/20  12:16:22  stig
;; minor change to fortran patterns
;;
;; Revision 2.14  1993/08/17  14:12:10  stig
;; added default face mapping for 'formula' which is needed for new latex=

;; patterns.
;;
;; twiddled the calendar-mode patterns a bit.
;;
;; Revision 2.13  1993/08/16  04:33:54  stig
;; hilit-set-mode-patterns was screwing up two part patterns.  it doesn't=
 now.
;;
;; Revision 2.12  1993/08/16  00:16:41  stig
;; changed references to default-bold-italic to just bold-italic because =
the
;;   font for that face is maintained by emacs.
;;
;; the pattern matcher now starts it's searches from the end of the most
;;   recently highlighted region (which is not necessarily the end of the=
 most
;;   recently matched regex).
;;
;; multiple errors in pattern matcher now just give an error instead of l=
ots of
;;   annoying messages and dings.
;;
;; no longer use vm-summary-mode-hooks.
;;
;; some code moved from hilit-highlight-region to hilit-set-mode-patterns=
=2E
;;   This will affect you if you pass your patterns directly to
;;   hilit-highlight-region....use a pseudo-mode instead.
;;
;; pattern changes to C/C++, latex, texinfo, fortran, nroff, etc.
;;
;; Revision 2.11  1993/08/13  12:12:37  stig
;; removed some crufty commented-out code
;;
;; diverged lisp-mode and emacs-lisp-mode...also added lisp keywords.
;;
;; Revision 2.10  1993/08/13  09:47:06  stig
;; added calendar-mode, icon-mode and pascal-mode patterns
;;
;; commented out hilit-toggle-highlight because I want to phase it out en=
tirely
;;
;; Revision 2.9  1993/08/13  08:44:22  stig
;; added optional case-fold argument to hilit-set-mode-patterns, this cas=
e-fold
;; parameter is now stored in hilit-patterns-alist.
;;
;; Revision 2.8  1993/08/12  22:05:03  stig
;; fixed some typos in documentation
;;
;; twiddled some of the color defaults for dark backgrounds
;;
;; always get 'mono color defaults if (not (x-display-color-p))
;;
;; added hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly to dired-after-readin-hook
;;
;; fixed bug in hilit-string-find that mishandled strings of the form: "\=
\"
;;
;; NEW FUNCTION: hilit-add-mode-pattern...  kinda like add-hook for patte=
rns
;;
;; fixed minor pattern bugs for latex-mode and emacs-lisp-mode
;;
;; Revision 2.7  1993/07/30  02:43:01  stig
;; added const to the list of modifiers for C/C++ types
;;
;; Revision 2.6  1993/07/30  00:30:54  stig
;; now permit selection of arbitrary subexpressions for highlighting...
;; fixed keyword patterns for C/C++ using this technique.
;;
;; Revision 2.5  1993/07/28  05:02:56  stig
;; improvements to makefile regular expressions
;; removed about 130 lines just by compacting the big defconst for
;;   hilit-face-translation-table into a mapcar and defining a separate t=
able
;;   of default faces.
;;
;; Revision 2.4  1993/07/27  14:09:05  stig
;; documented another "known problem" to "head off gripe mail at the pass=
=2E"
;;
;; Revision 2.3  1993/07/27  02:15:49  stig
;; (hilit-lookup-face-create) incorporated patch which improves it's beha=
vior
;; with more than one frame...  Still can't have bold on the same face in=
 two
;; differrent fonts sizes at the same time...
;;
;; Revision 2.2  1993/07/27  02:02:59  stig
;; vastly improved the makefile patterns
;; added hook for mh-show-mode
;;
;; Revision 2.1  1993/07/24  17:46:21  stig
;; Phasing out Info-select-hook...  Version 19.18 will use Info-selection=
-hook.
;;
;; Revision 2.0  1993/07/24  13:50:10  stig
;; better documentation and added the function hilit-submit-feedback.
;; C-S-l (control shift l) repaints the buffer.  Other bindings are optio=
nal.
;; multi-line highlights no longer cause problems when
;;   hilit-auto-rehighlight is 'visible
;; added hilit-predefined-face-list...
;; changed name of hilit-mode-alist to hilit-patterns-alist
;; added hilit-message-quietly to mail-setup-hook
;; added hilit-parser-alist which can be used to apply different patterns=
 to
;;   different parts of a buffer.  This could be integrated in a far more=

;;   elegant manner, but it presently serves the purpose of not applying
;;   message header patterns to message bodies in mail-mode and it's kin.=

;; hilit-set-mode-patterns now takes a list of modes and an optional pars=
e-fn
;;

;;;;;; AND THIS CAN BE APPLIED TO VM 5.33L_19
;; =

;; *** ../site/vm5.33L_19/vm-summary.el    Fri Jun  4 22:17:11 1993
;; --- ./vm-summary.el     Tue Jun 22 16:39:30 1993
;; ***************
;; *** 152,158 ****
;;                   (insert "->")
;;                   (delete-char 2)
;;                   (forward-char -2)
;; !                 (and w vm-auto-center-summary (vm-auto-center-summar=
y))))
;;             (and old-window (select-window old-window)))))))
;;   =

;;   (defun vm-mark-for-display-update (message)
;; --- 152,159 ----
;;                   (insert "->")
;;                   (delete-char 2)
;;                   (forward-char -2)
;; !                 (and w vm-auto-center-summary (vm-auto-center-summar=
y))
;; !                 (run-hooks 'vm-summary-pointer-hook)))
;;             (and old-window (select-window old-window)))))))
;;   =

;;   (defun vm-mark-for-display-update (message)
;; =

;;;;;;
=0C
;;; Code:

;; User Options:

(defvar hilit-quietly nil
  "* If non-nil, this inhibits progress indicators during highlighting")

(defvar hilit-auto-highlight t
  "* T if we should highlight all buffers as we find 'em, nil to disable
  automatic highlighting by the find-file hook.")

(defvar hilit-auto-highlight-maxout 60000 ; hilit19 keeps getting bigger.=
=2E.
  "* auto-highlight is disabled in buffers larger than this")

(defvar hilit-auto-rehighlight t
  "* If this is non-nil, then hilit-redraw and hilit-recenter will also
  rehighlight part or all of the current buffer.  T will rehighlight the
  whole buffer, a NUMBER will rehighlight that many lines before and afte=
r
  the cursor, and the symbol 'visible' will rehighlight only the visible
  portion of the current buffer.  This variable is buffer-local.")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'hilit-auto-rehighlight)

(defvar hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback '(20000 . 100)
  "* Cons of the form (THRESHOLD . FALLBACK), where FALLBACK is assigned =
to
  hilit-auto-rehighlight if the size of a newly opened buffer is larger t=
han
  THRESHOLD.")

(defvar hilit-face-check t
  "* T slows down highlighting but permits the user to change fonts witho=
ut
  losing bold and italic faces...  T causes hilit-lookup-face-create to d=
ig
  through the frame parameters for the current window every time it's cal=
led.
  If you never change fonts in emacs, set this to NIL.")

;; Variables which must be set before loading hilit19.

(defvar hilit-inhibit-rebinding nil
  "If non-nil, this inhibits replacement of recenter, yank, and yank-pop.=
")

(defvar hilit-inhibit-hooks nil
  "If non-nil, this inhibits installation of hooks for Info, gnus, & vm."=
)

(defvar hilit-background-mode 'light
  "'mono inhibits color, 'dark or 'light indicate the background brightne=
ss.")

(defvar hilit-mode-enable-list nil
  "If a list of modes to exclusively enable or specifically disable.
The sense of the list is negated if it begins with the symbol 'not'.
Set this variable before you load hilit19.

Ex:  (perl-mode jargon-mode c-mode)	; just perl, C, and jargon modes
     (not text-mode)			; all modes except text mode")

;; Variables that are not generally modified directly

(defvar hilit-parser-alist nil
  "alist of major-mode values and parsers called by hilit-rehighlight-buf=
fer.

Parsers for a given mode are IGNORED for partial rehighlights...maybe you=
'd
like to make this more universal?")

(defvar hilit-patterns-alist nil
  "alist of major-mode values and default highlighting patterns

A highlighting pattern is a list of the form (start end face), where
start is a regex, end is either a regex or a match number for start, and =
face
is the name of an entry in hilit-face-translation-table, the name of a fa=
ce,
or nil (which disables the pattern).

Each entry in the alist is of the form:
	(mode . (case-fold pattern [pattern ...]))

See the hilit-lookup-face-create documentation for valid face names.")

(defvar hilit-predefined-face-list (face-list)
  "List of faces with which hilit-lookup-face-create will NOT tamper.

If hilit19 is dumped into emacs at your site, you may have to set this in=

your init file.")

(eval-when-compile (setq byte-optimize t))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;; Use this to report bugs:

(eval-when-compile (require 'reporter))	; no compilation gripes

(defun hilit-submit-feedback ()
  "Submit feedback on hilit19 to the author: Stig@netcom.com"
  (interactive)
  (require 'reporter)
  (and (y-or-n-p "Do you really want to submit a report on hilit19? ")
       (reporter-submit-bug-report
	"Jonathan Stigelman <Stig@netcom.com>"
	"hilit19.el (Release 2.19)"
	(and (y-or-n-p "Do you need to include a dump hilit variables? ")
	     (append
	      '(
		hilit-quietly    		hilit-inhibit-hooks
		hilit-background-mode		hilit-mode-enable-list
		hilit-auto-highlight		hilit-auto-highlight-maxout
		hilit-auto-rehighlight		hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback
		hilit-face-check
		)
	      (and (y-or-n-p "Have you modified the standard patterns? ")
		   (yes-or-no-p "Are your patterns *REALLY* relevant? ")
		   '(hilit-parser-alist
		     hilit-patterns-alist
		     hilit-predefined-face-list
		     ))))
	 (function
	  (lambda ()
	    (and (y-or-n-p "Is this a problem with font display? ")
		 (insert "\nFrame Configuration:\n=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D\n"
			 (prin1-to-string (frame-configuration-to-register ?F))
			 "\n"
			 ))))
	 nil
	 (concat
	  "This is (check all that apply, and delete what's irrelevant):\n"
	  "  [ ] a _MASSIVE_THANK_YOU_ for writing hilit19.el\n"
	  "  [ ] An invitation to attend the next Hackers Conference\n"
	  "  [ ] You're a RIGHTEOUS HACKER, what are your rates?\n"
	  "  [ ] I've used the force and read the source, but I'M CONFUSED\n"
	  "  [ ] a PATCH. (output of 'diff -uw old.el new.el' or 'diff -cw')\n"
	  "  [ ] a SERIOUS AND REPRODUCABLE BUG that is not an EMACS bug\n"
	  "     - I *swear* that it's not already mentioned in the KNOWN BUGS\n"=

	  "     - I HAVE CHECKED netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/Beta/hilit19.el.gz\n"
	  "       for a newer release that fixes the problem.\n"
	  "    >> I HAVE ALSO CHECKED netcom.com:/pub/stig/src/Beta/hl319.el.gz\=
n"
	  "       This is the alpha version...what will become hilit19 (Beta 3.0=
).\n"
	  "\n"
	  "Hey Stig, I *know* you're busy but...\n"))))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;;
;; These faces are either a valid face name, or nil
;; if you want to change them, you must do so AFTER hilit19 is loaded

(defconst hilit-default-face-table
  '(
    ;; used for C/C++ and elisp and perl
    (comment	firebrick-italic    moccasin           italic)
    (include	purple		    Plum1	       bold-italic)
    (define	ForestGreen-bold    green	       bold)
    (defun	blue-bold	    cyan-bold	       bold-italic)
    (decl	RoyalBlue	    cyan	       bold)
    (type	nil      	    yellow	       nil)
    (keyword	RoyalBlue	    cyan	       bold-italic)
    (label	red-underline	    orange-underlined  underline)
    (string	grey40		    orange	       underline)

    ;; something for VHDL
    (vhdlkeyword RoyalBlue-underline cyan              bold-italic)
    (vhdltype    purple               brown            nil)
    (vhdlenum    purple               brown-bold       nil)
    (vhdlattr    RoyalBlue            cyan             bold-italic)
    (vhdldefun	 blue-bold-underline  cyan-bold	       bold-italic)
    (vhdldecl	 RoyalBlue-underline  cyan	       bold)

    ;; some further faces for Ada
    (struct	  black-bold        white-bold	       bold)
    (glob-struct  magenta	    Plum1	       default-bold-underline)
    (named-param  DarkGoldenrod	    Goldenrod	       underline)
	=

    ;; and anotherone for LaTeX
    (crossref	  DarkGoldenrod	    Goldenrod	       underline)
    (formula	  Goldenrod	    DarkGoldenrod      underline)
 =

    ;; compilation buffers
    (active-error default/pink-bold  default/DeepPink-bold  default-under=
line)
    (error	  red-bold           yellow	       bold)
    (warning	  blue-italic	     green	       italic)

    ;; Makefiles (some faces borrowed from C/C++ too)
    (rule	  blue-bold-underline cyan-underline   default-bold-underline)
    =

    ;; VM, GNUS and Text mode
    (msg-subject    blue-bold       yellow             bold)
    (msg-from	    purple-bold	    green	       bold)
    (msg-header	    firebrick-bold  cyan	       italic)
    (msg-separator  black/tan-bold  black/lightblue    nil)
    (msg-quote	    ForestGreen	    pink	       italic)

    (summary-seen     grey40	    white	       nil)
    (summary-killed   grey50	    white	       nil)
    (summary-Xed      OliveDrab2    green	       nil)
    (summary-deleted  firebrick	    white	       italic)
    (summary-unread   RoyalBlue	    yellow	       bold)
    (summary-new      blue-bold	    yellow-bold	       bold-italic)
    (summary-current  default/skyblue-bold green/dimgrey-bold reverse-def=
ault)

    (gnus-group-unsubscribed grey50		white	    nil)
    (gnus-group-empty	     nil		nil	    nil)
    (gnus-group-full	     ForestGreen	green	    italic)
    (gnus-group-overflowing  firebrick		red	    bold-italic)

    ;; dired mode
    (dired-directory blue-bold         cyan            bold)
    (dired-link	     firebrick-italic  green	       italic)
    (dired-ignored   ForestGreen       moccasin	       nil)
    (dired-deleted   red-bold-italic   orange	       bold-italic)
    (dired-marked    purple	       Plum1	       nil)
	=

    ;; Info-mode, and jargon-mode.el and prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/jargon*=

    (jargon-entry    blue-bold	       cyan            bold)
    (jargon-xref     purple-bold       Plum1	       italic)
    (jargon-keyword  firebrick-underline yellow	       underline)
    )
  "alist of default faces (face . (light-default dark-default mono-defaul=
t))

There is no way for the user to modify this table such that it will have =
any
effect upon the translations used by hilit19.  Instead, use the function
hilit-translate AFTER hilit19 has been loaded.

See also the documentation for hilit-lookup-face-create.")

(defconst hilit-face-translation-table
  (let ((index (or (and (x-display-color-p)
			(cdr (assq hilit-background-mode
				   '((light . 1) (dark . 2)))))
		   3)))
    (mapcar (function (lambda (x) (cons (car x) (nth index x))))
	    hilit-default-face-table))
  "alist that maps symbolic face-names to real face names")

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;
;; To translate one face to another...
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;;

(defmacro hilit-translate (&rest args)
  "(hilit-translate FROM TO FROM TO ...): translate each face FROM to the=

value of its TO face.  This is like setq for faces.

The function hilit-lookup-face-create will repeatedly translate until no =
more
translations for the face exist in the translation table.

See the documentation for hilit-lookup-face-create for names of valid fac=
es."
  (or (zerop (% (length args) 2))
      (error "wrong number of args"))
  (let (cmdl from to)
    (while args
      (setq from (car args) to (nth 1 args) args (nthcdr 2 args)
	    cmdl (cons (list 'hilit-associate ''hilit-face-translation-table
			     (list 'quote from) to)
		       cmdl)))
    (cons 'progn cmdl)))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;; =

;; This function actually translates and then creates the faces...
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;; =


(defun hilit-lookup-face-create (face &optional force)
  "Get a FACE, or create it if it doesn't exist.  In order for it to
properly create the face, the followwing naming convention must be used:
    [reverse-](fgcolor[/bgcolor])[-bold][-italic][-underline]
Example: (hilit-lookup-face-create 'comment-face) might create and return=
 'red

Each color is either the name of an X color (see .../X11/lib/X11/rgb.txt)=
,
a hexadecimal specification of the form \"hex-[0-9A-Fa-f]+\", or \"defaul=
t\".

An optional argument, FORCE, will cause the face to be recopied from the
default...which is probably of use only if you've changed fonts.

See the documentation for hilit-translate and hilit-face-translation-tabl=
e."

;; translate the face ...
  (let ((trec t) visited)
    (while trec
      (cond ((memq face visited) (error "face translation loop: %S" visit=
ed))
	    (t (setq visited (cons face visited)
		     trec (assq face hilit-face-translation-table))
	       (and trec (setq face (cdr trec)))))))

  ;; make the face if we need to...
  (let* ((fn (symbol-name face))
	 (frame (selected-frame))
	 (basefont (cdr (assq 'font (frame-parameters frame))))
	 error fgcolor bgcolor)
    (cond
     ((or (null face)			=

	  (memq face hilit-predefined-face-list))
      ;; do nothing if the face is nil or if it's predefined.
      )
     ((or force
	  (not (memq face (face-list)))
	  (and hilit-face-check
	       (not (string=3D (get face 'basefont) basefont))))
      (copy-face 'default 'scratch-face)
      (if (string-match "^reverse-?" fn)
	  (progn (invert-face 'scratch-face)
		 (setq fn (substring fn (match-end 0)))))

      ;; parse foreground color
      (if (string-match "^\\(hex-\\)?\\([A-Za-z0-9]+\\)" fn)
	  (setq fgcolor (concat
			 (if (match-beginning 1) "#")
			 (substring fn (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))
		fn (substring fn (match-end 0)))
	(error "bad face name %S" face))

      ;; parse background color
      (if (string-match "^/\\(hex-\\)?\\([A-Za-z0-9]+\\)" fn)
	  (setq bgcolor (concat
			 (and (match-beginning 1) "#")
			 (substring fn (match-beginning 2) (match-end 2)))
		fn (substring fn (match-end 0))))
      =

      (and (string=3D "default" fgcolor) (setq fgcolor nil))
      (and (string=3D "default" bgcolor) (setq bgcolor nil))
      =

      ;; catch errors if we can't allocate the color(s)
      (condition-case nil
	  (progn (set-face-foreground 'scratch-face fgcolor)
		 (set-face-background 'scratch-face bgcolor)
		 (copy-face 'scratch-face face)
		 (put face 'basefont basefont))
	(error (message "couldn't allocate color for '%s'"
			(symbol-name face))
	       (setq face 'default)
	       (setq error t)))
      (or error
	  ;; don't bother w/ bold or italic if we didn't get the color
	  ;; we wanted, but ignore errors making the face bold or italic
	  ;; if the font isn't available, there's nothing to do about it...
	  (progn
	    (set-face-font face nil frame)
	    (set-face-underline-p face (string-match "underline" fn))
	    (if (string-match ".*bold" fn)
		(progn
		  ;; first, fix up this frame's face
		  (make-face-bold face frame  'noerr)
		  ;; now, fix up the face from the global list
		  (set-face-font face (face-font face frame) t)))
	    (if (string-match ".*italic" fn)
		(progn
		  ;; first, fix up this frame's face
		  (make-face-italic face frame 'noerr)
		  ;; now, fix up the face from the global list
		  (set-face-font face (face-font face frame) t)))
	    ))
      )))
  face)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Region Highlight/Unhighlight code (Both overlay and text-property vers=
ions)
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

(defsubst hilit-region-set-face (start end face-name &optional prio prop)=

  "Highlight region from START to END using FACE and, optionally, PRIO.
The optional 5th arg, PROP is a property to set instead of 'hilit."
  (let ((overlay (make-overlay start end)))
    (overlay-put overlay 'face face-name)
    (overlay-put overlay (or prop 'hilit) t)
    (and prio (overlay-put overlay 'priority prio))))

(defun hilit-unhighlight-region (start end &optional quietly)
  "Unhighlights the region from START to END, optionally in a QUIET way"
  (interactive "r")
  (or quietly hilit-quietly (message "Unhighlighting"))
  (let ((lstart 0))
    (while (and start (> start lstart) (< start end))
      (mapcar (function (lambda (ovr)
			  (and (overlay-get ovr 'hilit) (delete-overlay ovr))))
	      (overlays-at start))
      (setq lstart start start (next-overlay-change start))))
  (or quietly hilit-quietly (message "Done unhighlighting")))

;;;; These functions use text properties instead of overlays.  Text prope=
rties
;;;; are copied through kill and yank...which might be convenient, but is=
 not
;;;; terribly efficient as of 19.12, ERGO it's been disabled
;;
;;(defsubst hilit-region-set-face (start end face-name &optional prio pro=
p)
;;  "Highlight region from START to END using FACE and, optionally, PRIO.=

;;The optional 5th arg, PROP is a property to set instead of 'hilit."
;;    (put-text-property start end 'face face-name)
;;    )
;;
;;(defun hilit-unhighlight-region (start end &optional quietly)
;;  "Unhighlights the region from START to END, optionally in a QUIET way=
"
;;  (interactive "r")
;;  (let ((buffer-read-only nil)
;;	(bm (buffer-modified-p)))
;;    (remove-text-properties start end '(face))
;;    (set-buffer-modified-p bm)))
;;;;

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Pattern Application code and user functions
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

(defun hilit-highlight-region (start end &optional patterns quietly)
  "Highlights the area of the buffer between START and END (the region wh=
en
interactive).  Without the optional PATTERNS argument, the pattern for
major-mode is used.  If PATTERNS is a symbol, then the patterns associate=
d
with that symbol are used.  QUIETLY suppresses progress messages if
non-nil."
  (interactive "r")
  (cond ((null patterns)
	 (setq patterns (cdr (assq major-mode hilit-patterns-alist))))
	((symbolp patterns)
	 (setq patterns (cdr (assq patterns hilit-patterns-alist)))))  =

  ;; txt prop: (setq patterns (reverse patterns))
  (let ((case-fold-search (car patterns))
	(prio (1- (length patterns)))
	;; txt prop: (buffer-read-only nil)
	;; txt prop: (bm (buffer-modified-p))
	p pstart pend face mstart (puke-count 0))
    ;; txt prop: (unwind-protect
    (setq patterns (cdr patterns))	; remove case-fold from head of patter=
n
    (save-excursion
      (save-restriction
	(narrow-to-region start end)
	(while patterns
	  (setq p (car patterns))
	  (setq pstart (car p)
		pend (nth 1 p)
		face (hilit-lookup-face-create (nth 2 p)))
	  (if (not face)		; skipped if nil
	      nil
	    (or quietly hilit-quietly
		(message "highlighting %d: %s%s" prio pstart =

			 (if (stringp pend) (concat " ... " pend) "")))
	    (goto-char (point-min))
	    (condition-case msg
		(cond =

		      ((symbolp pstart)
		       ;; inner loop -- special function to find pattern
		       (let (region)
			 (while (setq region (funcall pstart pend))
			   (hilit-region-set-face (car region) (cdr region)
						  face prio))))
		      ((stringp pend)
		       ;; inner loop -- regex-start ... regex-end
		       (while (re-search-forward pstart nil t nil)
			 (goto-char (setq mstart (match-beginning 0)))
			 (if (re-search-forward pend nil t nil)
			     (hilit-region-set-face mstart (match-end 0)
						    face prio)
			   (forward-char 1))))
		      ((numberp pend)
		       ;; inner loop -- just one regex to match whole pattern
		       (while (re-search-forward pstart nil t nil)
			 (goto-char (match-end pend))
			 (hilit-region-set-face  (match-beginning pend)
						 (match-end pend) face prio)))
		      (t (error "malformed pattern")))
	      (error (if (> (setq puke-count (1+ puke-count)) 1)
			 (error msg)
		       (message "Error: '%s'" msg)
		       (ding) (sit-for 4)))))
	  (setq prio (1- prio)
		patterns (cdr patterns)))
	))
    (or quietly hilit-quietly (message "")) ; "Done highlighting"
    ;; txt prop: (set-buffer-modified-p bm)) ; unwind protection
    ))

(defun hilit-rehighlight-region (start end &optional quietly)
  "Re-highlights the region, optionally in a QUIET way"
  (interactive "r")
  (save-restriction
    (widen)
    (setq start (apply 'min start (mapcar 'overlay-start (overlays-at sta=
rt)))
	  end (apply 'max end (mapcar 'overlay-end (overlays-at end))))
    (hilit-unhighlight-region start end quietly)
    (hilit-highlight-region   start end nil quietly)))

(defun hilit-rehighlight-buffer (&optional quietly)
  "Re-highlights the buffer, optionally in a QUIET way"
  (interactive "")
  (let ((parse-fn (cdr (assq major-mode hilit-parser-alist))))
    (if parse-fn
	(funcall parse-fn quietly)
      (hilit-rehighlight-region (point-min) (point-max) quietly)))
  nil)

(defun hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly ()
  (hilit-rehighlight-buffer t))

(defun hilit-rehighlight-message (quietly)
  "Highlight a buffer containing a news article or mail message."
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (re-search-forward "^$" nil 'noerr)
    (hilit-unhighlight-region (point-min) (point-max) quietly)
    (hilit-highlight-region (point-min) (point) 'msg-header quietly)
    (hilit-highlight-region (point) (point-max) 'msg-body quietly)))

(defalias 'hilit-highlight-buffer 'hilit-rehighlight-buffer)

;; Well, I want to remove this function...there's one sure way to find ou=
t if
;; anyone uses it or not...and that's to comment it out.
;; =

;; (defun hilit-toggle-highlight (arg)
;;   "Locally toggle highlighting.  With arg, forces highlighting off."
;;   (interactive "P")
;;   ;; FIXME -- this loses numeric information in hilit-auto-rehighlight=

;;   (setq hilit-auto-rehighlight
;;         (and (not arg) (not hilit-auto-rehighlight)))
;;   (if hilit-auto-rehighlight
;;       (hilit-rehighlight-buffer)
;;     (hilit-unhighlight-region (point-min) (point-max)))
;;   (message "Rehighlighting is set to %s" hilit-auto-rehighlight))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; HOOKS
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

(defun hilit-find-file-hook ()
  "Find-file hook for hilit package.  See the variable hilit-auto-highlig=
ht."
  (cond ((and hilit-auto-highlight
	      (assq major-mode hilit-patterns-alist))
	 (if (> buffer-saved-size (car hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback))
	     (setq hilit-auto-rehighlight
		   (cdr hilit-auto-rehighlight-fallback)))
	 (if (> buffer-saved-size hilit-auto-highlight-maxout) nil
	   (hilit-rehighlight-buffer)
	   (set-buffer-modified-p nil)))))

(defun hilit-repaint-command (arg)
  "Rehighlights according to the value of hilit-auto-rehighlight, or the
prefix argument if that is specified.
\t\\[hilit-repaint-command]\t\trepaint according to hilit-auto-rehighligh=
t
\t^U \\[hilit-repaint-command]\trepaint entire buffer
\t^U - \\[hilit-repaint-command]\trepaint visible portion of buffer
\t^U n \\[hilit-repaint-command]\trepaint n lines to either side of point=
"
  (interactive "P") =

  (let (st en quietly)
    (or arg (setq arg hilit-auto-rehighlight))
    (cond ((or (eq  arg 'visible) (eq arg '-))
	   (setq st (window-start) en (window-end) quietly t))
	  ((numberp arg)
	   (setq st (save-excursion (forward-line (- arg)) (point))
		 en (save-excursion (forward-line arg) (point))))
	  (arg
	   (hilit-rehighlight-buffer)))
    (if st
	  (hilit-rehighlight-region st en quietly))))

(defun hilit-recenter (arg)
  "Recenter, then rehighlight according to hilit-auto-rehighlight.  If ca=
lled
with an unspecified prefix argument (^U but no number), then a rehighligh=
t of
the entire buffer is forced."
  (interactive "P")
  (recenter arg)
  ;; force display update
  (sit-for 0)
  (hilit-repaint-command (consp arg)))

(defun hilit-yank (arg)
  "Yank with rehighlighting"
  (interactive "*P")
  (let ((transient-mark-mode nil))
    (yank arg)
    (and hilit-auto-rehighlight
	 (hilit-rehighlight-region (region-beginning) (region-end) t))
    (setq this-command 'yank)))

(defun hilit-yank-pop (arg)
  "Yank-pop with rehighlighting"
  (interactive "*p")
  (let ((transient-mark-mode nil))
    (yank-pop arg)
    (and hilit-auto-rehighlight
	 (hilit-rehighlight-region (region-beginning) (region-end) t))
    (setq this-command 'yank)))

;;; this line highlighting stuff is untested.  play with it only if you f=
eel
;;; adventurous...don't ask me to fix it...though you're welcome to.  -- =
Stig
;; =

;; (defun hilit-rehighlight-line-quietly (&rest args)
;;   "Quietly rehighlight just this line.
;; Useful as an after change hook in VM/gnus summary buffers and dired bu=
ffers.
;; If only there were an after-change-function, that is..."
;;   (save-excursion
;;     (push-mark nil t)
;;     (hilit-rehighlight-yank-region)
;;     (and orig-achange-function (apply orig-achange-function args))))
;; =

;; (defun hilit-install-line-hooks ()
;;   (make-variable-buffer-local 'after-change-function)
;;   (make-local-variable 'orig-achange-function)
;;   (setq orig-achange-function after-change-function)
;;   (setq after-change-function 'hilit-rehighlight-line-quietly))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Wysiwyg Stuff...  take it away and build a whole package around it!
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; =

;; ; For the Jargon-impaired, WYSIWYG =3D=3D=3D What You See Is What You =
Get
;; ; Sure, it sucks to type.  Oh, well.
;; (defun hilit-wysiwyg-replace ()
;;   "Replace overstruck text with normal text that's been overlayed with=
 the =

;; appropriate text attribute.  Suitable for a find-file hook."
;;   (save-excursion
;;     (goto-char (point-min))
;;     (let ((wysb (hilit-lookup-face-create 'wysiwyg-bold))
;; 	  (wysu (hilit-lookup-face-create 'wysiwyg-underline))
;; 	  (bmod (buffer-modified-p)))
;;       (while (re-search-forward "\\(.\b.\\)+" nil t)
;; 	(let ((st (match-beginning 0)) (en (match-end 0)))
;; 	  (goto-char st)
;; 	  (if (looking-at "_")
;; 	      (hilit-region-set-face st en wysu 100 'wysiwyg)
;; 	    (hilit-region-set-face st en wysb 100 'wysiwyg))
;; 	  (while (and (< (point) en) (looking-at ".\b"))
;; 	    (replace-match "") (forward-char))
;; 	  ))
;;       (set-buffer-modified-p bmod))))
;; =

;; ; is this more appropriate as a write-file-hook or a write-contents-ho=
ok?
;; (defun hilit-wysiwyg-write-repair ()
;;   "Replace wysiwyg overlays with overstrike text."
;;   (message "*sigh* hilit-wysiwyg-write-repair not implemented yet")
;;
;; For efficiency, this hook should copy the current buffer to a scratch
;; buffer and do it's overstriking there.  Overlays are not copied, so it=
'll
;; be necessary to hop back and forth.  This is OK since you're not fiddl=
ing
;; with--making or deleting--any overlays.  THEN write the new buffer,
;; delete it, and RETURN T. << important
;;
;; Just so you know...there is already an emacs function called
;; underline-region that does underlining.  I think that the thing to do =
is
;; extend that to do overstriking as well.
;;
;;  (while (< start end)
;;    (mapcar (function (lambda (ovr)
;;			  (and (overlay-get ovr 'hilit) (delete-overlay ovr))))
;;	    (overlays-at start))
;;    (setq start (next-overlay-change start)))
;;  nil)

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Initialization.  =

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

(and (not hilit-inhibit-rebinding)
     window-system
     (progn =

       (substitute-key-definition 'yank     'hilit-yank
				  (current-global-map))
       (substitute-key-definition 'yank-pop 'hilit-yank-pop
				  (current-global-map))
       (substitute-key-definition 'recenter 'hilit-recenter
				  (current-global-map))))

(global-set-key [?\C-\S-l] 'hilit-repaint-command)

(and window-system
     (add-hook 'find-file-hooks 'hilit-find-file-hook t))

(eval-when-compile (require 'gnus))	; no compilation gripes

(and (not hilit-inhibit-hooks)
     window-system
     (condition-case c
	 (progn

	   ;; BUFFER highlights...
	   (mapcar (function
		    (lambda (hook)
		      (add-hook hook 'hilit-rehighlight-buffer-quietly)))
		   '(
		     Info-selection-hook

;; runs too early		     vm-summary-mode-hooks
		     vm-summary-pointer-hook
		     vm-preview-message-hook
		     vm-show-message-hook

		     gnus-article-prepare-hook
		     gnus-summary-prepare-hook
		     gnus-group-prepare-hook

		     rmail-show-message-hook
		     mail-setup-hook =

		     mh-show-mode-hook

		     dired-after-readin-hook
		     ))

	   ;; rehighlight only visible part of summary buffer for speed.
	   (add-hook 'gnus-mark-article-hook
		     (function
		      (lambda ()
			(or (memq gnus-current-article gnus-newsgroup-marked)
			    (gnus-summary-mark-as-read gnus-current-article))
			(gnus-summary-set-current-mark)
			(save-excursion
			  (set-buffer gnus-summary-buffer)
			  (hilit-rehighlight-region (window-start)
						    (window-end) t)
			  ))))
	   ;; only need prepare article hook
	   ;;
	   ;;	(add-hook 'gnus-select-article-hook
	   ;;		  '(lambda () (save-excursion
	   ;;				(set-buffer gnus-article-buffer)
	   ;;				(hilit-rehighlight-buffer))))
	   )
       (error (message "Error loading highlight hooks: %s" c)
	      (ding) (sit-for 1))))

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;
;; Default patterns for various modes.
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;=
;;;

;;; do I need this?  I changed the defconst to a defvar because defconst =
is
;;; inappropriate, but I don't know why I wanted hilit-patterns-alist to =
be
;;; reset on every reload...

(setq hilit-patterns-alist nil) =


(defun hilit-associate (alist key val)
  "creates, or destructively replaces, the pair (key . val) in alist"
  (let ((oldentry (assq key (eval alist))))
    (if oldentry
	(setcdr oldentry val)
      (set alist (cons (cons key val) (eval alist))))))
  =

(defun hilit-set-mode-patterns (modelist patterns
					 &optional parse-fn case-fold)
  "Sets the default highlighting patterns for MODE to PATTERNS.
See the variable hilit-mode-enable-list.

Takes optional arguments PARSE-FN and CASE-FOLD."
  ;; change pattern
  (mapcar (function (lambda (p)
		      (and (stringp (car p))
			   (null (nth 1 p))
			   (setcar (cdr p) 0))))
	  patterns)
  (setq patterns (cons case-fold patterns))
  =

  (or (consp modelist) (setq modelist (list modelist)))
  (let (ok (flip (eq (car hilit-mode-enable-list) 'not)))
    (mapcar (function
	     (lambda (m)
	       (setq ok (or (null hilit-mode-enable-list)
			    (memq m hilit-mode-enable-list)))
	       (and flip (setq ok (not ok)))
	       (and ok
		    (progn
		      (and parse-fn
			   (hilit-associate 'hilit-parser-alist m parse-fn))
		      (hilit-associate 'hilit-patterns-alist m patterns)))))
	    modelist)))

(defun hilit-add-pattern (pstart pend face &optional mode first)
  "Highlight pstart with face for the current major-mode.
Optionally, place the new pattern first in the pattern list"
  (interactive "sPattern start regex: \nsPattern end regex (default none)=
: \nxFace: ")

  (and (equal pstart "") (error "Must specify starting regex"))
  (cond ((equal pend "") (setq pend 0))
	((string-match "^[0-9]+$" pend) (setq pend (string-to-int pend))))
  (or mode (setq mode major-mode))
  (let ((old-patterns (cdr (assq mode hilit-patterns-alist)))
	(new-pat (list pstart pend face)))
    (cond ((not old-patterns)
	   (hilit-set-mode-patterns mode (list new-pat)))
	  (first
	   (setcdr old-patterns (cons new-pat (cdr old-patterns))))
	  (t =

	   (nconc old-patterns (list new-pat)))))
  (and (interactive-p) (hilit-rehighlight-buffer)))

(defun hilit-string-find (qchar)
  "looks for a string and returns (start . end) or NIL.  The argument QCH=
AR
is the character that would precede a character constant double quote.
Finds strings delimited by double quotes.  The first double quote may not=
 be
preceded by QCHAR and the closing double quote may not be preceded by an =
odd
number of backslashes."
  (let (st en)
    (while (and (search-forward "\"" nil t)
		(eq qchar (char-after (1- (setq st (match-beginning 0)))))))
    (while (and (search-forward "\"" nil t)
		(save-excursion
		  (setq en (point))
		  (forward-char -1)
		  (skip-chars-backward "\\\\")
		  (forward-char 1)
		  (not (zerop (% (- en (point)) 2))))))
    (and en (cons st en))))    =


;; return types on same line...
;; ("^[a-zA-z].*\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[=
^)]*)+" nil defun)

;; On another note, a working pattern for grabbing function definitions f=
or C is
;; =

;; ("^[a-zA-Z_]+.*[;{]$" nil ForestGreen)  ; global defns ( start at col =
1 )
;; ("^[a-zA-Z_]+.*(" ")" defun)
;; ; defuns assumed to start at col 1, not with # or {
;; =

;; this will make external declarations/definitions green, and function
;; definitions the defun face.  Hmmm - seems to work for me anyway.

(let ((comments     '(("/\\*" "\\*/" comment)))
      (c++-comments '(("//.*$" nil comment)
		      ("^/.*$" nil comment)))
      (strings      '((hilit-string-find ?' string)))
      (preprocessor '(("^#[ \t]*\\(undef\\|define\\).*$" "[^\\]$" define)=

		      ("^#.*$" nil include))))

  (hilit-set-mode-patterns
   '(c-mode c++-c-mode elec-c-mode)
   (append
    comments strings preprocessor
    '(
      ;; function decls are expected to have types on the previous line
      ("^\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[^)]*)+"=
 nil defun)
      ("^\\(typedef\\|struct\\|union\\|enum\\).*$" nil decl)
      ;; datatype -- black magic regular expression
      ("[ \n\t({]\\(\\(const\\|register\\|volatile\\|unsigned\\|extern\\|=
static\\)\\s +\\)*\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+_t\\|float\\|double\\|void\\|char\\=
|short\\|int\\|long\\|FILE\\|\\(\\(struct\\|union\\|enum\\)\\([ \t]+\\(\\=
w\\|[$_]\\)*\\)\\)\\)\\(\\s +\\*+)?\\|[ \n\t;()]\\)" nil type)
      ;; key words
      ("[^_]\\<\\(return\\|goto\\|if\\|else\\|case\\|default\\|switch\\|b=
reak\\|continue\\|while\\|do\\|for\\)\\>[^_]" 1 keyword)
      )))

  (hilit-set-mode-patterns
   'c++-mode
   (append
    comments c++-comments strings preprocessor
    '(
      ;; function decls are expected to have types on the previous line
      ("^\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+::\\)?\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]=
\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[^)]*)+" nil defun)
      ("^\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+[ \t]*::[ \t]*\\)?\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\|ope=
rator.*\\)\\s *\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+\\s *((\\|(\\)[^)]*)+" nil defun)
      ("^\\(friend\\|template\\|typedef\\|struct\\|union\\|class\\|enum\\=
|public\\|private\\|protected\\).*$" nil decl)
      ;; datatype -- black magic regular expression
      ("[ \n\t({]\\(\\(const\\|register\\|volatile\\|unsigned\\|extern\\|=
static\\)\\s +\\)*\\(\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)+_t\\|float\\|double\\|void\\|char\\=
|short\\|int\\|long\\|FILE\\|\\(\\(struct\\|union\\|enum\\|class\\)\\([ \=
t]+\\(\\w\\|[$_]\\)*\\)\\)\\)\\(\\(\\s +\\*+)\\|\\(\\*+\\s +\\)\\)?\\|[ \=
n\t;()]\\)" nil type)
      ;; key words
      ("[^_]\\<\\(return\\|goto\\|if\\|else\\|case\\|default\\|switch\\|b=
reak\\|continue\\|while\\|do\\|for\\|public\\|protected\\|private\\|delet=
e\\|new\\)\\>[^_]"
       1 keyword))))
)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'vhdl-mode
 '(
   ("\\('.?'\\|'''\\)" nil string)
   (hilit-string-find ?' string)
   ("^--.*$" nil comment)
   ("\\s ?--.*$" nil comment)
   ("\\b'\\(base\\|left\\|right\\|high\\|l\\|ascending\\|image\\|value\\|=
pos\\|val\\|succ\\|pred\\|leftof\\|rightof\\|range\\|reverse_range\\|leng=
th\\|delayed\\|stable\\|quiet\\|transaction\\|event\\|active\\|last_event=
\\|last_active\\|last_value\\|driving\\|driving_value\\|behavior\\|struct=
ure\\|simple_name\\|instance_name\\|path_name\\)\\b" nil vhdlattr)
   ("\\b\\(boolean\\|character\\|bit\\|severity_level\\|integer\\|real\\|=
time\\|delay_length\\|natural\\|positive\\|string\\|bit_vector\\|file_ope=
n_kind\\|file_open_status\\)\\b" nil vhdltype)
   ("\\b\\(true\\|false\\|nul\\|soh\\|[es]tx\\|eot\\|enq\\|ack\\|[bd]el\\=
|bs\\|ht\\|vt\\|[lf]f\\|cr\\|so\\|si\\|dle\\|dc[1-4]\\|nak\\|syn\\|etb\\|=
can\\|em\\|sub\\|esc\\|[fgru]sp\\|c12[89]\\|c1[345][0-9]\\|note\\|warning=
\\|error\\|failure\\|fs\\|ps\\|ns\\|us\\|ms\\|sec\\|min\\|hr\\|read_mode\=
\|write_mode\\|append_mode\\|open_ok\\|status_error\\|name_error\\|mode_e=
rror\\)\\b" nil vhdlenum)
   ("\\b\\(use\\|package\\|body\\|library\\|configuration\\|entity\\|arch=
itecture\\)\\b" nil vhdldefun)
   ("\\b\\(constant\\|variable\\|procedure\\|function\\|signal\\|type\\|s=
ubtype\\|file\\|group\\|component\\|block\\|process\\)\\b" nil vhdldecl)
   ("\\b\\(abs\\|access\\|after\\|alias\\|all\\|and\\|array\\|assert\\|at=
tribute\\|begin\\|buffer\\|bus\\|case\\|disconnect\\|downto\\|else\\|elsi=
f\\|end\\|exit\\|for\\|generate\\|generic\\|guarded\\|if\\|impure\\|in\\|=
inertial\\|inout\\|is\\|label\\|linkage\\|literal\\|loop\\|map\\|mod\\|na=
nd\\|new\\|next\\|nor\\|not\\|null\\|of\\|on\\|open\\|or\\|others\\|out\\=
|port\\|postponed\\|pure\\|range\\|record\\|register\\|reject\\|rem\\|rep=
ort\\|return\\|rol\\|ror\\|select\\|severity\\|shared\\|sla\\|sll\\|sra\\=
|srl\\|then\\|to\\|transport\\|unaffected\\|units\\|until\\|wait\\|when\\=
|while\\|with\\|xnor\\|xor\\)\\b" nil vhdlkeyword)) nil 'case-insensitive=
)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'perl-mode
 '(("\\s #.*$" nil comment)
   ("^#.*$" nil comment)
   ("\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\\\(.\\|\n\\)[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
   ("^\\(__....?__\\|\\s *\\sw+:\\)" nil label)
   ("^require.*$" nil include)
   ("^package.*$" nil decl)
   ("^\\s *sub\\s +\\(\\w\\|[_']\\)+" nil defun)
   ("\\b\\(do\\|if\\|unless\\|while\\|until\\|else\\|elsif\\|for\\|foreac=
h\\|continue\\|next\\|redo\\|last\\|goto\\|return\\|die\\|exit\\)\\b" nil=
 keyword)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'ada-mode
 '(;; comments
   ("--.*$" nil comment)
   ;; main structure
   ("[ \t\n]procedure[ \t]" "\\([ \t]\\(is\\|renames\\)\\|);\\)" glob-str=
uct)
   ("[ \t\n]task[ \t]" "[ \t]is" glob-struct)
   ("[ \t\n]function[ \t]" "return[ \t]+[A-Za-z_0-9]+[ \t]*\\(is\\|;\\|re=
names\\)" glob-struct)
   ("[ \t\n]package[ \t]" "[ \t]\\(is\\|renames\\)" glob-struct)
   ;; if there is nothing before "private", it is part of the structure
   ("^[ \t]*private[ \t\n]" nil glob-struct)
   ;; if there is no indentation before the "end", then it is most
   ;; probably the end of the package
   ("^end.*$" ";" glob-struct)
   ;; program structure -- "null", "delay" and "terminate" omitted
   ("[ \n\t]\\(in\\|out\\|select\\|if\\|else\\|case\\|when\\|and\\|or\\|n=
ot\\|accept\\|loop\\|do\\|then\\|elsif\\|else\\|for\\|while\\|exit\\)[ \n=
\t;]" nil struct)
   ;; block structure
   ("[ \n\t]\\(begin\\|end\\|declare\\|exception\\|generic\\|raise\\|retu=
rn\\|package\\|body\\)[ \n\t;]" nil struct)
   ;; type declaration
   ("^[ \t]*\\(type\\|subtype\\).*$" ";" decl)
   ("[ \t]+is record.*$" "end record;" decl)
   ;; "pragma", "with", and "use" are close to C cpp directives
   ("^[ \t]*\\(with\\|pragma\\|use\\)" ";" include)
   ;; nice for named parameters, but not so beautiful in case statements
   ("[A-Za-z_0-9.]+[ \t]*=3D>"   nil named-param)
   ;; string constants probably not everybody likes this one
   ("\"" ".*\"" string)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'fortran-mode
 '(("^[*Cc].*$" nil comment)
   ("'[^'\n]*'" nil string)
   ("\\(^[ \t]*[0-9]+\\|[ \t]continue[ \t\n]\\|format\\)" nil define)
   ("[ \t]\\(do\\|do[ \t]*[0-9]+\\|go[ \t]*to[ \t]*[0-9]+\\|end[ \t]*do\\=
|if\\|else[ \t]*if\\|then\\|else\\|end[ \t]*if\\)[ \t\n(]" nil define)
   ("[ \t]\\(call\\|program\\|subroutine\\|function\\|stop\\|return\\|end=
\\|include\\)[ \t\n]" nil include)
   ("[ \t]\\(parameter[\t\n ]*([^)]*)\\|data\\|save\\|common[ \t\n]*/[^/]=
*/\\)" =

    nil decl)
   ("^     ." nil type)
   ("implicit[ \t]*none" nil decl)
   ("\\([ \t]\\|implicit[ \t]*\\)\\(dimension\\|integer\\|real\\|double[ =
\t]*precision\\|character\\|logical\\|complex\\|double[ \t]*complex\\)\\(=
[*][0-9]*\\|[ \t\n]\\)" nil keyword)
   )
 nil 'case-insensitive)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 '(m2-mode modula-2-mode)
 '(("(\\*" "\\*)" comment)
   (hilit-string-find ?\\ string)
   ("^[ \t]*PROCEDURE[ \t]+\\w+[^ \t(;]*" nil defun)
   ("\\<\\(RECORD\\|ARRAY\\|OF\\|POINTER\\|TO\\|BEGIN\\|END\\|FOR\\|IF\\|=
THEN\\|ELSE\\|ELSIF\\|CASE\\|WHILE\\|DO\\|MODULE\\|FROM\\|RETURN\\|IMPORT=
\\|EXPORT\\|VAR\\|LOOP\\|UNTIL\\|\\DEFINITION\\|IMPLEMENTATION\\|AND\\|OR=
\\|NOT\\|CONST\\|TYPE\\|QUALIFIED\\)\\>" nil keyword)
   )
 nil 'case-insensitive)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns 'prolog-mode
 '(("/\\*" "\\*/" comment)
   ("%.*$" nil comment)
   (":-" nil defun)
   ("!" nil label)
   ("\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\\\(.\\|\n\\)[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
   ("\\b\\(is\\|mod\\)\\b" nil keyword)
   ("\\(->\\|-->\\|;\\|=3D=3D\\|\\\\=3D=3D\\|=3D<\\|>=3D\\|<\\|>\\|=3D\\|=
\\\\=3D\\|=3D:=3D\\|=3D\\\.\\\.\\|\\\\\\\+\\)" nil decl)
   ("\\(\\\[\\||\\|\\\]\\)" nil include)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 '(
   LaTeX-mode japanese-LaTeX-mode SliTeX-mode
   japanese-SliTeX-mode FoilTeX-mode latex-mode
   )
 '(
   ;; comments
   ("[^\\]%.*$" nil comment)

   ;; the following two match \foo[xx]{xx} or \foo*{xx} or \foo{xx}
   ("\\\\\\(sub\\)*\\(paragraph\\|section\\)\\(\*\\|\\[.*\\]\\)?{" "}"
    keyword)
   ("\\\\\\(chapter\\|part\\)\\(\*\\|\\[.*\\]\\)?{" "}" keyword)
   ("\\\\footnote\\(mark\\|text\\)?{" "}" keyword)
   ("\\\\[a-z]+box" nil keyword)
   ("\\\\\\(v\\|h\\)space\\(\*\\)?{" "}" keyword)

   ;; (re-)define new commands/environments/counters
   ("\\\\\\(re\\)?new\\(environment\\|command\\){" "}" defun)
   ("\\\\new\\(length\\|theorem\\|counter\\){" "}" defun)

   ;; various declarations/definitions
   ("\\\\\\(setlength\\|settowidth\\|addtolength\\|setcounter\\|addtocoun=
ter\\)" nil define)
   ("\\\\\\(title\\|author\\|date\\|thanks\\){" "}" define)

   ("\\\\documentstyle\\(\\[.*\\]\\)?{" "}" decl)
   ("\\\\\\(begin\\|end\\|nofiles\\|includeonly\\){" "}" decl)
   ("\\\\\\(raggedright\\|makeindex\\|makeglossary\\|maketitle\\)\\b" nil=

    decl)
   ("\\\\\\(pagestyle\\|thispagestyle\\|pagenumbering\\){" "}" decl)
   ("\\\\\\(normalsize\\|small\\|footnotesize\\|scriptsize\\|tiny\\|large=
\\|Large\\|LARGE\\|huge\\|Huge\\)\\b" nil decl)
   ("\\\\\\(appendix\\|tableofcontents\\|listoffigures\\|listoftables\\)\=
\b"
    nil decl)
   ("\\\\\\(bf\\|em\\|it\\|rm\\|sf\\|sl\\|ss\\|tt\\)\\b" nil decl)

   ;; label-like things
   ("\\\\item\\(\\[[^]]*\\]\\)?" nil label)
   ("\\\\caption\\(\\[[^]]*\\]\\)?{" "}" label)

   ;; formulas
   ("\\\\("  "\\\\)" formula)                   ; \( \)
   ("\\\\\\[" "\\\\\\]" formula)                ; \[ \]
   ("[^$]\\($\\($[^$]*\\$\\|[^$]*\\)\\$\\)" 1 formula) ; '$...$' or '$$..=
=2E$$'
   =

   ;; things that bring in external files
   ("\\\\\\(include\\|input\\|bibliography\\){" "}" include)

   ;; "wysiwyg" emphasis -- these don't work with nested expressions
   ;; ("{\\\\\\(em\\|it\\|sl\\)" "}" italic)
   ;; ("{\\\\bf" "}" bold)

   ("``" "''" string)

   ;; things that do some sort of cross-reference
   ("\\\\\\(\\(no\\)?cite\\|\\(page\\)?ref\\|label\\|index\\|glossary\\){=
" "}" crossref)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'bibtex-mode
 '(;;(";.*$"			nil	comment)
   ("%.*$"			nil	comment)
   ("@[a-zA-Z]+"		nil	keyword)
   ("{[ \t]*[-a-z:_A-Z0-9]+,"	nil	label) ; is wrong sometimes
   ("^[ \t]*[a-zA-Z]+[ \t]*=3D"	nil	define)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'compilation-mode
 '(
   ("^[-_.\"A-Za-z0-9]+\\(:\\|, line \\)[0-9]+: warning:.*$" nil warning)=

   ("^[-_.\"A-Za-z0-9]+\\(:\\|, line \\)[0-9]+:.*$" nil error)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'makefile-mode
 '(("^#.*$" nil comment)
   ("[^$]#.*$" nil comment)
   ;; rules
   ("^[^ \t\n]*%[^ \t\n]*[ \t]*::?[ \t]*[^ \t\n]*[ \t]*\\(#.*\\)?$" nil r=
ule)
   ("^[.][A-Za-z][A-Za-z]?\..*$" nil rule)
   ;; variable definition
   ("^[_A-Za-z0-9]+[ \t]*\+?=3D" nil define)
   ("\\( \\|:=3D\\)[_A-Za-z0-9]+[ \t]*\\+=3D" nil define)
   ;; variable references
   ("\\$\\([^ \t\n{(]\\|[{(]@?[_A-Za-z0-9:.,%/=3D]+[)}]\\)" nil keyword)
   ("^[A-Za-z0-9.,/_-]+[ \t]*:.*$" nil defun)
   ("^include " nil include)))

(let* ((header-patterns '(("^Subject:.*$" nil msg-subject)
			  ("^From:.*$" nil msg-from)
			  ("^--text follows this line--$" nil msg-separator)
			  ("^[A-Za-z][A-Za-z0-9-]+:" nil msg-header)))
       (body-patterns '(("^\\(In article\\|[ \t]*\\w*[]<>}|]\\).*$"
			 nil msg-quote)))
       (message-patterns (append header-patterns body-patterns)))
  (hilit-set-mode-patterns 'msg-header header-patterns)
  (hilit-set-mode-patterns 'msg-body body-patterns)
  (hilit-set-mode-patterns '(vm-mode text-mode mail-mode rmail-mode
			     gnus-article-mode news-reply-mode mh-show-mode)
			   message-patterns
			   'hilit-rehighlight-message))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'gnus-group-mode
 '(("^U.*$" nil gnus-group-unsubscribed)
   ("^ +[01]?[0-9]:.*$" nil gnus-group-empty)
   ("^ +[2-9][0-9]:.*$" nil gnus-group-full)
   ("^ +[0-9][0-9][0-9]+:.*$" nil gnus-group-overflowing)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'gnus-summary-mode
 '(("^D +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-seen)
   ("^K +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-killed)
   ("^X +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-Xed)
   ("^- +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-unread)
   ("^. +[0-9]+:\\+\\[.*$" nil summary-current)
   ("^  +[0-9]+: \\[.*$" nil summary-new)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'vm-summary-mode
 '(("^   .*$" nil summary-seen)
   ("^->.*$" nil  summary-current)
   ("^  D.*$" nil summary-deleted)
   ("^  U.*$" nil summary-unread)
   ("^  N.*$" nil summary-new)))


;;; this will match only comments w/ an even (zero is even) number of quo=
tes...
;;; which is still inadequate because it matches comments in multi-line s=
trings
;;; how anal do you want to get about never highlighting comments in stri=
ngs?
;;; I could twiddle with this forever and still it wouldn't be perfect.
;;;   (";\\([^\"\n]*\"[^\"\n]*\"\\)*[^\"\n]*$" nil comment)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 '(emacs-lisp-mode lisp-interaction-mode)
 '(
   (";.*" nil comment)

;;; This almost works...but I think I'll stick with the parser function =

;;;("[^?]\\(\"\\(\"\\||\\([^\"]+\\|[\\]\\([\\][\\]\\)*\"\\)*\"\\)\\)" 1 s=
tring)
   (hilit-string-find ?\\ string)

   ("^\\s *(def\\(un\\|macro\\|advice\\|alias\\|subst\\)[ \t\n]"
    "\\()\\|nil\\)" defun)
   ("^\\s *(defvar\\s +\\S +" nil decl)
   ("^\\s *(defconst\\s +\\S +" nil define)
   ("^\\s *(\\(provide\\|require\\|\\(auto\\)?load\\).*$" nil include)
   ("\\s *\\&\\(rest\\|optional\\)\\s *" nil keyword)
   ("(\\(let\\*?\\|cond\\|if\\|or\\|and\\|map\\(car\\|concat\\)\\|prog[n1=
*]?\\|while\\|lambda\\|function\\|set\\([qf]\\|car\\|cdr\\)?\\|nconc\\|ev=
al-when-compile\\|condition-case\\|unwind-protect\\|catch\\|throw\\|error=
\\)[ \t\n]" 1 keyword)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 '(lisp-mode ilisp-mode)
 '(
   (";.*" nil comment)
   ("#|" "|#" comment)
;;; This almost works...but I think I'll stick with the parser function =

;;;("[^?]\\(\"\\(\"\\||\\([^\"]+\\|[\\]\\([\\][\\]\\)*\"\\)*\"\\)\\)" 1 s=
tring)
   (hilit-string-find ?\\ string)

   ;; this is waaaaaaaay too slow
   ;;   ("^\\s *(def\\(un\\|macro\\|advice\\|alias\\|method\\|subst\\)\\s=
 \\S +[ \t\n]+\\(nil\\|(\\(([^()]*)\\|[^()]+\\)*)\\)" nil defun)
   ("^\\s *(def\\(un\\|macro\\|advice\\|subst\\|method\\)\\s " "\\()\\|ni=
l\\)" defun)

   ("^\\s *(\\(def\\(var\\|type\\|parameter\\)\\|declare\\)\\s +\\S +" ni=
l decl)
   ("^\\s *(def\\(const\\(ant\\)?\\|class\\|struct\\)\\s \\S +[ \t\n]+\\(=
(\\(([^()]*)\\|[^()]+\\)*)\\)?" nil define)
   ("^\\s *(\\(provide\\|require\\|\\(auto\\)?load\\).*$" nil include)
   ("[ \t]\\&\\(key\\|rest\\|optional\\|aux\\)\\s *" nil keyword)
   ("(\\(let\\*?\\|locally\\|cond\\|if\\*?\\|or\\|and\\|map\\(car\\|c[ao]=
n\\)?\\|prog[nv1*]?\\|while\\|when\\|unless\\|do\\(\\*\\|list\\|times\\)\=
\|lambda\\|function\\|values\\|set\\([qf]\\|car\\|cdr\\)?\\|rplac[ad]\\|n=
conc\\|block\\|go\\|return\\(-from\\)?\\|[ec]?\\(type\\)?case\\|multiple-=
value-\\(bind\\|setq\\|list\\|call\\|prog1\\)\\|unwind-protect\\|handler-=
case\\|catch\\|throw\\|eval-when\\(-compile\\)?\\)[ \t\n]" 1 keyword)
   ))


(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'plain-tex-mode
 '(("^%%.*$" nil comment)
   ("{\\\\em\\([^}]+\\)}" nil comment)
   ("\\(\\\\\\w+\\)" nil keyword)
   ("{\\\\bf\\([^}]+\\)}" nil keyword)
   ("^[ \t\n]*\\\\def[\\\\@]\\(\\w+\\)" nil defun)
   ("\\\\\\(begin\\|end\\){\\([A-Za-z0-9\\*]+\\)}" nil defun)
   ;; ("[^\\\\]\\$\\([^$]*\\)\\$" nil string)
   ("\\$\\([^$]*\\)\\$" nil string)
   ))

;; Reasonable extensions would include smarter parameter handling for suc=
h
;; things as the .IX and .I macros, which alternate the handling of follo=
wing
;; arguments.

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'nroff-mode
 '(("^\\.[\\\][\\\"].*$" nil comment)
   ("^\\.so .*$" nil include)
   ("^\\.[ST]H.*$" nil defun)
;;   ("^[^\\.].*\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\\\(.\\)[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
   ("\"" "[^\\]\"" string)
   ("^\\.[A-Z12\\\\].*$" nil define)
   ("\\([\\\][^ ]*\\)" nil keyword)
   ("^\\.[A-Z].*$" nil keyword))
 nil 'case-insensitive)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'texinfo-mode
 '(("^\\(@c\\|@comment\\)\\>.*$" nil comment)
   ("@\\(emph\\|strong\\|b\\|i\\){[^}]+}" nil comment)
;; seems broken
;; ("\\$[^$]*\\$" nil string)
   ("@\\(file\\|kbd\\|key\\){[^}]+}" nil string)
   ("^\\*.*$" nil defun)
   ("@\\(if\\w+\\|format\\|item\\)\\b.*$" nil defun)
   ("@end +[A-Za-z0-9]+[ \t]*$" nil defun)
   ("@\\(samp\\|code\\|var\\){[^}]+}" nil defun)
   ("@\\w+\\({[^}]+}\\)?" nil keyword)
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'dired-mode
 (append
  '(("^D.*$"  nil dired-deleted)
   ("^\\*.*$" nil dired-marked)
   ("^  d.*$" nil dired-directory)
   ("^  l.*$" nil dired-link)
   ("^  -.*#.*#$" nil dired-ignored))
  (list (cons
	 (concat "^  .*\\("
		 (mapconcat 'regexp-quote completion-ignored-extensions "\\|")
		 "\\)$")
	 '(nil dired-ignored)))))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'jargon-mode
 '(("^:[^:]*:" nil jargon-entry)
   ("{[^}]*}+" nil jargon-xref)))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'Info-mode
 '(("^\\* [^:]+:+" nil jargon-entry)
   ("\\*[Nn]ote\\b[^:]+:+" nil jargon-xref)
   ("  \\(Next\\|Prev\\|Up\\):" nil jargon-xref)
   ("- \\(Variable\\|Function\\|Macro\\|Command\\|Special Form\\|User Opt=
ion\\):.*$"
    nil jargon-keyword)))	; lisp manual

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'calendar-mode
 '(("[A-Z][a-z]+ [0-9]+" nil define)	; month and year
   ("S  M Tu  W Th  F  S" nil label)	; week days
   ("[0-9]+\\*" nil defun)		; holidays
   ("[0-9]+\\+" nil comment)		; diary days
   ))

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'pascal-mode
 '(("(\\*" "\\*)" comment)
   ("{" "}" comment)
   ;; Doesn't work when there are strings in comments....
   ;; ("'[^']*'" nil string)
   ("^#.*$" nil include)
   ("^[ \t]*\\(procedure\\|function\\)[ \t]+\\w+[^ \t(;]*" nil defun)
   ("\\<\\(program\\|begin\\|end\\)\\>" nil defun)
   ("\\<\\(external\\|forward\\)\\>" nil include)
   ("\\<\\(label\\|const\\|type\\|var\\)\\>" nil define)
   ("\\<\\(record\\|array\\|file\\)\\>" nil type)
   ("\\<\\(of\\|to\\|for\\|if\\|then\\|else\\|case\\|while\\|do\\|until\\=
|and\\|or\\|not\\|with\\|repeat\\)\\>" nil keyword)
   )
 nil 'case-insensitive)

(hilit-set-mode-patterns
 'icon-mode
 '(("#.*$" nil comment)
   ("\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\.[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
   ;; charsets: these do not work because of a conflict with strings
   ;; ("'[^\\']*\\(\\\\.[^\\']*\\)*'" nil string)
   ("^[ \t]*procedure[ \t]+\\w+[ \t]*(" ")" defun)
   ("^[ \t]*record.*(" ")" include)
   ("^[ \t]*\\(global\\|link\\)[ \t\n]+[A-Za-z_0-9]+\\([ \t\n]*,[ \t\n]*[=
A-Za-z_0-9]+\\)*" nil include)
   ("^[ \t]*\\(local\\|static\\)[ \t\n]+[A-Za-z_0-9]+\\([ \t\n]*,[ \t\n]*=
[A-Za-z_0-9]+\\)*" nil decl)
   ("\\<\\(initial\\|end\\)\\>" nil glob-struct)
   ("\\<\\(while\\|until\\|return\\|every\\|if\\|then\\|else\\|to\\|case\=
\|of\\|suspend\\|create\\|do\\|repeat\\|break\\)\\>" nil keyword)
   ))

;; as you can see, I had two similar problems for Pascal and Icon. In
;; Pascal, strings are delimited with ' and an embedded quote is doubled,=

;; thus string syntax would be extremely simple. However, if a string
;; occurs within a comment, the following text is considered a string.
;; =

;; In Icon, strings are similar to C ones, but there are also charsets,
;; delimited with simple quotes. I could not manage to use both regexps a=
t
;; the same time.

;; The problem I have with my patterns for Icon is that this language has=
 a
;; string similar constant to the C one (but a string can be cut on sever=
al
;; lines, if terminated by a dash and continued with initial blanks, like=

;; this:
;;         "This is a somewhat long -
;;          string, written on three -
;;          succesive lines"
;; in order to insert a double quote in a string, you have to escape it
;; with a \), bu also a character set constant (named a charset), which
;; uses single quotes instead of double ones. It would seem intuitive to
;; highlight both constants in the same way.


(provide 'hilit19)

;;; hilit19 ends here.

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>>>>> "Graham" == Graham Todd <free@anti.com> writes:

Graham> Hello all,
Graham> After searches of various ftp directories 
Graham> I still can't locate a couple of lisp 
Graham> packages that I want to update.  Specifically
Graham> the latest versions of w3 and pop3.  

The w3 home page is at:
	http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html

The pop3 package is part of the current experimental version of Gnus
	ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/
code named `Red Gnus'.

Graham> The "Welcome to Gnuscape" home page mentions version 3.0 of w3
Graham> but only has links to version 2.* packages.  Is 3.0 beta and
Graham> thus not widely available?

That is correct.  The betas are at:
	ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/elisp/w3/.betas/

Use at your own risk.

Graham> I couldn't get vm-pop.el to work properly so I dumped it upon
Graham> hearing of pop3.el ... but where is it?  Is pop3.el a
Graham> 'project' for 19.15 or is it a working package?

It is a project for Gnus 5.4/5.5 aka Red Gnus, which will be added to
XEmacs as soon as its author is ready to have it replace 5.2.

Red Gnus is currently alpha code and changing frequently.  I've used
it daily for several months now, but it is still recommended only for
the brave.
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>*sigh*.  I have not spoken for anybody else.  pay attention, dammit!  I'm
>objecting to be told what I should prefer, when I don't.  there's a sizable
>minority who do not prefer the "modern" user interfaces, but who are being
>neglected because obnoxious GUI fanatics such as Steven Jones can't handle
>blahblah blah

Look, XEmacs, just like the Emacs it branched from, does not force you
to use colors.  In fact, by default I think you don't get syntax
highlighting.

Yes, some packages come up with icons and colors by default.  This is
because for the majority of users, this is what is wanted.  You
solution seems to be, use no enhancements if at least one user does
not want them.  This is absurd.  Should GNUS pop up a window asking if
you want enhancements or not the first time it is run?  If so, then
you should go write it (thus supporting the free software model of
supplying code rather than whining about it).  Or perhaps VM should
start with a disclaimer that "Some people do not want to use icons or
colors, if you wish to use these novice features, you must first learn
to Emacs Lisp, at which point you won't be a nogice so it's all moot
anyway".

You can make XEmacs look identical to GNU Emacs (oops, I meant to say
Emacs) from a user interface perspective.

>well, I _implicitly_ speak for all humans when I say: "hold it!  we're all
>unique!  you can't speak about universal preferences."  if you object to
>this, it's like the scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian where Brian
>shouts "you're all unique!" and someone shouts "I'm not!".

People are not identical, yes, that's true and I stand by that myself
quite strongly.  But XEmacs is not like Windows, you can change it
from being novice friendly to being expert friendly.  You however, are
wanting to treat everyone identical by denying features that you
personally don't want even though you aren't forced to use them.  But
just because everyone is unique doesn't mean that there aren't
features that a majority of users want.

If in the name of uniqueness we reduce Emacs to the lowest common
denominator, we have nothing less.  If everyone is a prime number,
there is no lowest common denominator.  We might as well not have an
Emacs at all, since someone somewhere may not like its defaults!
That's the reason you don't like XEmacs with icons and colors, because
they're sometimes the default!  Get real, and stop with all this
arrogance.  XEmacs is not on a holy war against you personally, your
views are supported just fine.  XEmacs developers are working hard,
just like Emacs developers, to make an improved product that allows
unique people to use it their own way, and they don't need someone
with who is also working towards the same goal to stab them in the
back.  This would be an American soldier attacking the Brits in WWII
instead of going after the Nazi's.

(there I said, Nazi, the thread must end)

-- 
Darin Johnson
darin@connectnet.com


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>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Price <pprice@fc.hp.com> writes:

Paul> I have moved from the OS2 world to unix. I have tried to use vi
Paul> for several months, but I just don't like it. I am looking at
Paul> xemacs now, but am not pleased with the complex key
Paul> combinations. What I really want is to configure it to use the
Paul> keystrokes I was used to in epm. Does anyone know if someone has
Paul> already done these key mappings? I looked in several FAQs with
Paul> little success.

I doubt it.  This is the first I've heard of `epm'.

Paul> If you can point me in a good direction, please email me at the
Paul> address below. Thanks!

Take a look at the wordstar mode (M-x locate-library ws-mode) in the
distribution, and adapt it for epm.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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Subject: Help: Abbrev-mode in Xemacs-19.14
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Hi. there!  
I just downloaded and installed Xemacs-19.14.  
While I was enjoying the various features in Xemacs, I ran into 
some problems in abbrev-mode.  After I envoke 'M-x abbrev-mode', 
I checked the buffer '*Abbrevs*' through 'M-x list-abbrevs'.  
There are some default-defined abbrevs under '(fortran-mode-abbrev-table)' 
in the fortran-mode but nothing else under ("others"-mode-abbrev-table).  
The default-defined abbrevs in the fortran-mode are working fine.  
Then I tried to define my own abbrevs using 'C-x a g' or 'C-x a l', and  
I checked the new defined abbrev list in the buffer '*Abbrevs*'.  
However, those new defined abbrevs didn't work at all. (I made sure the 
abbrev-mode on.)  So I tried to define the abbrevs in the file 
'~/.abrev_defs' using 'M-x edit-abbrevs' and put the following in the end of 
my '.emacs' file which is just a copy of 'sample.emacs': 

	(setq-default abbrev-mode t)
	(read-abbrev-file "~/.abbrev_defs")
	(setq save-abbrevs t)

After I reran the Xemacs, abbrev-mode was turned on automatically, but 
'M-x list-abbrevs' shows just the default one not the one I redefined.  
I don't know what's goning on here.  I would like to use my own abbrevs.  
I really appreciate if someone can help me.  Note that I just started to 
use the Xemacs and have no idea about Lisp.  Even welcome any suggestion 
how to use cleverly Xemacs.  Thanks.

Woody
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Christopher Davis wrote:
> 
> EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
> 
>  EN> `suggest-key-bindings' was implemented 1995-10-02, as per the ChangeLog.
>  EN> when was `teach-extended-commands-p' implemented?  I can't find any
>  EN> ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
>  EN> -p convention for a _variable_?)
> 
> I don't know who put it in originally, but etc/NEWS does note that it's a
> feature that was added in Lucid Emacs 19.9.  19.9 is *very* old, though
> (unfortunately) there's no really good way to calibrate the date; it's of
> roughly the vintage of VM 5.40 (also included in that release), though.

I implemented it, some time between 6 Sep 1993 and 29 Dec 1993.

I intentionally kept this secret from RMS for nearly two years on
direct orders of the Gray High Council at Beta Reticuli.  Also,
they threatened to cut off my NSA slush-fund money if I kept precise
changelogs.  Now the truth can be known at last.

By the way, the -p convention has been used on variables since the 
dawn of time.  TV::WHO-LINE-JUST-COLD-BOOTED-P.  ZWEI::*CASE-REPLACE-P*.
UCL::DWIMIFY-PACKAGE-P.  And so on.  Where've you been?

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/
``The hateful :) means `just kidding' and is used by people who would
  dot their i's with little circles and should have their eyes dotted
  with Drano.''   -- Penn Jillette

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From: rherwadk@us.oracle.com (Rahul V. Herwadkar)
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 I find Xemacs 19.14 to be different from 19.13 in the foll ways:

[1] Menubar "Help" Title:
    ---------------------
    In Xemacs 19.13 I always used to have a "Help" title in the
    menubar no matter what I had in my buffer viz. a C file, a shell,
    an Lisp file and so on.
    With Xemcs 19.14 the "Help" title gets replaced depending on
    what I have in my buffer viz. if I have a shell, the "Help"
    title is replaced by a "Comint1" title.
    How do I get the Xemacs 19.13 behavior towards the "Help" title
    in Xemacs 19.14? In other words, I don't want the "Help" menu
    title to be replaced.

[2] C file fontification:
    ---------------------
    In Xemacs 19.13 I could extend the list of keywords to be fontified
    by appending to the variable c-font-lock-keywords e.g.

    (let ((storage "CONST")
	(prefixes "reg")
	(types "word")
	)
    (setq c-font-lock-keywords 
	  (append c-font-lock-keywords-2
		  (list
		   (cons (concat "[ \t\n]+\\<\\(" storage "\\)\\>")
			 'font-lock-type-face)
		   (list (concat "[ \t\n]+\\<\\(" types "\\)\\>")
			 1 'font-lock-type-face)
		   (list (concat "[ \t\n]+\\<\\(" prefixes "\\)\\>")
			 1 'font-lock-type-face)
		   ))))

    would add "CONST", "reg" and "word" to the list of C keywords to
    be fontified.
    But this no longer seems to work in 19.14. Does anybody know
    why??

-------------------------
- Rahul V. Herwadkar
  rherwadk@us.oracle.com

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From: Eric Berg <eberg@sybase.com>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs? Who cares!!! Can some insane people shutup and stop this mud slinging ???
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Yeah!  Can that crap!

Erik likes Emacs and Al likes XEmacs.  Great.

Now back to USING the beast.  Okay, guys?

-Eric.


saifi@sscu.iisc.ernet.in (Saifi) writes:

> 
 > 
 > Hi
 > 
 > 	What Joel writes is completely true and I request people on this 
 > mailing list to voice their concern so that Erik et' al atleast realize 
 > that what they are doing is not the right thing to do.
 > 
 > 	If they have to be rude they can write mails to each other rather 
 > than mailing !!! SHIT !!! on this mailing list.
 > 
 > --Saifi
 > 
 > ------>>>
 > On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Joel Shapiro wrote:
 > 
 > > 
 > > Seriously people, this whole XEmacs vs Emacs "holy war" is getting really
 > > childish and inane, and it's forcing a lot of people, including myself, to have
 > > themselves removed from the XEmacs mailing list.  Can we not think of a more
 > > constructive line of discussion . . .
 > > 
 > > 
 > 

-- 

-----------------------------
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Bill Richter <richter@conley.math.nwu.edu> writes:
> 
> RMS posted some time ago that the only real advantage 
> that XEmacs had pover Emacs was variable width fonts ...
> Does anyone have more up-to-date info? 

See "SUBJECT: Q1.0.4 WHY ANOTHER VERSION OF EMACS" in the XEmacs FAQ:

http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

-Bill Dubuque

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From: Anthony LoRusso <alorusso@baynetworks.com>
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Subject: verilog add-on
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:56:45 -0500
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I'm looking for a macro(s) or "add-on" for xemacs for
verilog code generation.

-- 
Anthony J. LoRusso		Bay Networks, Inc.
direct: 508-916-7881		3 Federal Street
fax:    508-670-8153		BL3-04
alorusso@baynetworks.com	Billerica, MA 01821

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Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> writes:
> If you want a general advantage of a GUI take the games industry, here
> is a totally client driven industry that seems to belive not just in not
> CLI but in 3/4D interaction and colours by the bucket load.  Is Doom
> better than the Origonal Adventure (on UNIX enviroments) ?

The best computer game ever written is Nethack, and the preferred interface
is the keyboard and text output.  Doom is fun for about 10 minutes; Nethack
is a life-long obsession :)

I have to add myself to the class of users that finds gratuitous colors and
inefficient GUI's evil.  Once I've started Emacs up I generally park the
mouse and never touch it again except to click the occasional URL or
hypertext cross-reference (I'm not an anti-GUI purist).

I also seem to be one of the few people I know who doesn't suffer from some
sort of RSI after nearly two decades of programming (knock wood).

-- Mark Hood

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From: Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca>
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Subject: Loosing connection with GNUS completely freezes Xemacs
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Hello all, 

I run Linux and  connect to my provider with pppd
to read news get mail etc.  During peak hours if my 
connection isn't active for a certain period I am 
automatically disconnected by the provider.  The problem
is that if I am using GNUS to read news disconnecting 
causes my entire xemacs session to freeze up.  I have to destroy the 
window and restart Xemacs.   I'm not clear on how nntp is 
implemented or how to configure xemacs to be more `robust'
on disconnects.  Other clients (Netscape, Lynx etc have no 
problem and I simply reload the page or newsgroup after connecting).
This is somewhat dismaying since I want to set up diald
for on demand connection - if GNUS cant' handle it I will be
.... uhhh ... forlorn.

The problem not occur if the connection goes down while using 
W3 - only GNUS. I'm thinking it has to do with how I receive 
news articles.  Can anyone suggest anything or see something
obvious below?

Thanks,

G. Todd

----------------------------------
System Info:
Pentium 100 64 megs ram
kernel 1.2.13
xemacs 19.14, GNUS 5.2.25, nntp 4.0, nnfolder 1.0
pppd  2.1.2

webart@ellerbeck$: ldd /usr/local/bin/xemacs

	libXm.so.2.0 => /usr/lib/libXm.so.2
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.0
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.0
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.0
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0
	libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.0
	libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18

Relevant section of ~/.emacs file:

;;===================================
;; Some stuff for using VM and GNUS
;;===================================
;; 9/21/96 This works for VM might not need it anymore with
;; the setq stuff below now 

 (setq mail-default-reply-to "gtodd@yorku.ca  (Graham Todd)")

;; 10/27/96 The follwing two lines were needed to 
;; correct reply-to and mail addresses  in GNUS  
 (setq user-mail-address "gtodd@yorku.ca")  
 (setq user-full-name "Graham Todd")
;;GNUS server configuration
 (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "newshub.ccs.yorku.ca")) 
 (setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
         gnus-read-active-file nil
         gnus-nov-is-evil nil)


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               ******EASY MONEY-FAST******


     
     MAKE HONEST,EASY MONEY EFFECTIVELY WITH NETSCAPE AND
MICROSOFT EXPLORER INSTRUCTIONS INCLUDED!THIS IS THE FAIREST MOST
HONEST WAY I KNOW TO SHARE WEALTH!  WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE
THOUSAND'S DOLLARS,QUICK, LEGALLY,WITH NO CATCH?THEN KEEP
READING....PLEASE TAKE 5 MINUTES TO READ THIS ARTICLE,ITCONTAINS A
TRIED AND TRUE WAY TO MAKE MONEY.IT'S TRUE YOU CAN MAKE UP TO OR
OVER50,000DOLLARS IN4-6 WEEKS,MAYBE SOONER!THIS IS NOT A SCAM! IF
YOU'REINTERESTED,KEEP READING;IF NOT I APOLOGIZE FOR WASTING YOUR
TIME AND BANDWITH.  

HERE'S MY STORY.I HAVE BEEN ON THE INTERNET FOR 5 YRS.
NOW,WATCHINGTHE EXPLOSION OF NEWSGROUP AND WEB USE. I HAVE
BROWSED THE NEWSGROUPSSINCEI BECAME A COLLEGE STUDENT(4 YRS AGO),
AND HAVE SEEN MANY OF THESE "MAKETHOUSANDS IN 10 WEEKS" W/ ONLY A
5$ INVESTMENT. MY THOUGHT HAS ALWAYSBEEN"THEY ARE ALWAYS
SCAMS,NO ONE MAKES MONEY BUT THE PEOPLE YOU SEND MONEYTO"BUT
LIKE MOST OF US ,WE WILL READ THESE AGAIN AND AGAIN, THINKING
THATTHERE IS GOLD SOMEWHERE. HERE IT IS,THIS ARTICLE SAID THAT YOU
SEND 1$ TO EACH OF THE 5 NAMES STATED IN THIS ARTICLE. THEN YOU PLACE
YOUR OWN NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE ARTICLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST
AT #5, AND POST THE ARTICLE IN AT LEAST 200 NEWSGROUPS (THERE ARE
THOUSANDS).NO CATCH ,THAT'S IT!         
     SO AFTER TALKING TO FRIENDS,THINKING IT OVER AND OVER,EVEN
DIFFERENT "MAKE MONEY" ARTICLES,I FIGURED,I'LL TRY IT. I COULDN'T
BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS A REAL BUSINESS. WITHIN 7 DAYS I GOT SOME MONEY
IN THE MAIL.I WAS STILL SKEPTICAL, AND DIDN'T THINK IT KEEP UP,JUST A FEW
DOLLARS.THEN THE NEXT WEEK, I HAD MORE MONEY COMING TO ME FROM
ALL OVER.IT KEPT COMING IN,TRIPLING IN SIZE AND MULIPLYING BY 10-20
TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT I RECEIVED THAT FIRST WEEK. IN MY FIRST WEEK I
GOT 28 DOLLARS,BUT BY THE ENDOF THE SECOND WEEK I MADE OVER $1000!!
IN THE THIRD WEEK I MADE ALMOST $10000. IT'S NoW THE 4TH WEEK AND
ALMOST $36000!!!! HAS COME.IT MAY SOUND UNBELIEVABLE BUT IT REALLY
WORKS.         
     LET ME TELL YOU HOW THIS WORKS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,WHY IT
WORKS...ALSO,MAKE SURE YOU PRINT A COPY OF THE ARTICLe  NOW,SO YOU
GET THE INFORMATION OFF OF IT,AND BEGIN MAKING $$$$$.
     THE PROCESS IS VERY SIMPLE,AND IT CONSISTS OF 3 EASY STEPS:
STEP 1:   GET 5 SEPERATE PIECES OF PAPER AND WRITE THE FOLLOWING
ONEACH SHEET OF PAPER...,"PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST.YOU ARE
#4."GET FIVE(5) $1 DOLLAR BILLS AND PLACE ONE(1) INSIDE EACH PIECE OF
PAPERTHAT YOU JUST WROTE ON,AND FOLD EACH PIECE OF PAPER SO THE BILL
WILL NOT BE SEEN IN THE ENVELOPE. PUT ONE PAPER INSIDE THE ENVELOPE
AND SEAL IT.DO THE SAME FOR ALL 5. YOU SHOULD NOW HAVE 5 ENVELOPES
SEALED,EACH WITHA PIECE OF PAPER AND A 1$ BILL .MAKE SURE THOSE
WORDS THAT WERE STATEDABOVE ARE STATED ON EACH PAPER. WHAT YOU
ARE DOING IS CREATING A SERVICE BY THIS, THIS IS PERFECTLY LEGAL. NOW
THEN,MAIL THE 5 ENVELOPES WITHTHE PAPER AND 1$ TO THE FOLLOWING 5
ADRESSES:(REMEMBER THESE ARE REALPEOPLELIKE YOU AND I)
     


1.EW TAYLOR    
  1913 WEST AVE.    
  LINWOOD,NJ 08221  

2.FERNANDO RAPOSO   
  RUA 1 DE MAIO,35  
  7780 CASTRO VERDE 
  PORTUGAL     

3.ROBERT BECKMAN
  6 HERETAUNGA AVE. 
  AUKLAND   NEW ZEALAND  

4.AARON W. ROBINSON 
  947 IGLEHART AVE.   
  ST.PAUL, MN 55104 

5.JOSHUA THIEL  
 3111 RT.209     
KINGSTON ,NY 12401

STEP 2: NOW TAKE THE #1 NAME OFF THE LIST THAT YOU SEE ABOVE,MOVE
THEOTHER 4 NAMES UP(5 BECOMING 4,4 TO 3.ETC.) AND PUT YOUR NAME AT
NUMBER 5 ONTHE LIST. YOU CAN SLIGHTLY ALTER THIS ARTICLE IF YOU NEED
TO EDIT.SPICE ITUPIF IT WORKS ,THAT'S WHERE IT'S ALL AT!

STEP 3: POST YOUR AMENDED ARTICLE(WITH YOUR NAME AT #5) TO AT LEAST
200NEWSGROUPS ( I THINK THERE ARE CLOSE TO 18000).ALL YOU NEED IS SAY
ATLEAST200

.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ NETSCAPE 3.0 INSTRUCTIONS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$HOW TO DO
THIS: IF YOU HAVE NETSCAPE 3.0 DO EXACTLY THE FOLLOWING:
1) CLICK ON ANY NEWS GROUP LIKE NORMAL, THEN CLICK ON 'TO NEWS',WHICH
IS ON THE FAR LEFT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE NEWSGROUPS PAGE.THIS
WILLBRINGUP A BOX TO TYPE A MESSAGE IN.

2) LEAVE THE NEWSGROUP BOX LIKE IT IS ,CHANGE THE SUBJECT BOX TO
SOMETHING FLASHY LIKE ,"NEED CASH $$$",READ HERE $$$, OR FAST
CASH!!EVEN SOMETHING LIKE "HONEST CASH FROM THE NET!"

3) TAB ONCE AND YOU SHOULD BE READY TO TYPE. NOW, RETYPE(ONLY
ONCE)THIS WHOLE ARTICLE WORD FOR WORD,EXCEPT TO INSERT YOUR NAME
AT #5,ANDTO REMOVE #1,PLUS ANY SMALL CHANGES YOU NEED TO MAKE.
KEEP ALMOST ALL OFIT THE SAME!

4) WHEN YOU'RE DONE TYPING THE WHOLE ARTICLE,CLICK ON FILE IN THIS
BOX RIGHT ABOVE SEND, NOT WHERE IT SAYS NETSCAPE NEWS ON THE FIRST
BOX.CLICKON 'SAVE AS' WHEN YOU'RE UNDER FILE. SAVE YOU'RE ARTICLE AS
TEXT FILE TOYOUR C: OR A: DRIVE. DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE
UNTIL YOU DO THIS! ONCE SAVED, MOVE ON TO #5 BELOW.

5) IF YOU STILL HAVE ALL OF YOUR TEXT, SEND OR POST TO THIS NEWSGROUP
NOW BY JUST CLICKING SEND, WHICH IS RIGHT BELOW FILE, AND RIGHT ABOVE
Cc:.

6) HERE'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO POST TO ALL 200. OK,CLICK ON ANY NEWS 
GROUP THEN CLICK ON 'TO NEWS',AGAIN IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER.
LEAVE THE NEWSGROUPS BOX ALONE AGAIN,PUT A FLASHY SUBJECT TITLE IN
THE SUBJECT BOX,HIT TAB ONCE YOU'RE IN THE BODY OF THE MESAGE,AND
THEN CLICK ON ATTACHMENTS',WHICH IS BELOW THE SUBJECT BOX. .YOU
WILL GET ANOTHER BOX TO COME UP. CLICK ON ATTACH 
FILE,AND THEN CLICK 'OPEN' NOW CLICK ON OK; IF YOU DID THIS RIGHT
,YOU SHOULD SEE YOUR FILE NAME IN THE ATTACHMENTS BOX,AND IT WILL 
BE SHADED GREEN.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MS EXPLORER INSTRUCTIONS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  IF YOU USE IE EXPLORER IT'S JUST AS EASY....HOLDING DOWN THE
LEFT MOUSE BUTTON, HIGHLIGHT THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRESS THE "CTRL"
KEY AND THE "C" KEY AT THE SAME TIME TO COPY THIS ARTICLE. THEN 
PRINT THIS ARTICLE FOR YOUR RECORDS TO HAVE THE NAMES YOU WILL 
BE SENDING 1$ BILLS TO. NEXT GO TO THE NEWSGROUPS AND PRESS "POST
AN ARTICLE". A WINDOW WILL OPEN. TYPE YOUR HEADLINE IN THE 
IN THE SUBJECT AREA AND THEN CLICK IN THE LARGE WINDOW
BELOW. PRESS"CTRL" AND THEN "V" AND THE ARTICLE WILL BE PLACED
IN THE WINDOW. IF YOU WANT TO EDIT THE ARTICLE,DO SO AND 
THEN HIGHLIGHT AND COPY IT AGAIN. NOW EVERYTIME YOU POST
THE ARTICLE IN A NEWSGROUP YOU ONLY HAVE TO REPEAT "CTRL" AND
"V" AND PRESS POST.

7) THAT'S IT. EACH TIME YOU DO THIS,ALL YOU HAVE TO DO
IS TYPE IN A DIFFERENT NEWSGROUP,SO THAT WAY, IT POST TO 
200 DIFFERENT NEWSGROUPS, YOU SEE? NOW YOU JUST HAVE 199 TO GO!!
(DON'T WORRY EACH ONE TAKES ABOUT 30 SEC.,ONCE YOU GET USED TO IT)
REMEMBER 200 IS THE MINIMUM. THE MORE YOU POST TO THE 
MORE MONEY YOU MAKE.

AND THAT'S IT!!!!THAT'S THE ONLY 3 STEPS THERE ARE!!!

  YOU ARE NOW IN THE MAIL ORDER BUSINESS AND WILL START 
GETTING 1$ ENVELOPES FROM VARIOUS PEPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WIHIN
DAYS. HINT: THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST TO THE MORE MONEY
YOU MAKE!! YOU MAY WANT TO RENT A PO BOX EVENTUALLY BECAUSE
OF ALL THE MAIL. JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT,
PLEASE!


       LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS!!!!

  OUT OF EVERY 200 POSTINGS, LRT'S SAY I ONLY RECEIVE 5 REPLYS,
WHICH IS VERY LOW. SO I MADE 5$ WITH MY NAME AT #5.NOW THEN,
EACH PERSON WHO JUST SENT ME 1$ MAKES ,SAY ONLY 200 POSTINGS,
NOW WITH YOUR NAME AT #4, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS,
NOT INCLUDING YOURS TOO. 50 PEOPLE SEND YOU 1$ NOW;THAT'S $50
YOU JUST MADE! NOW,THEN YOUR 50 NEW AGENTS POST 200 EACH WITH
YOUR NAME AT #3,OR 10,000 POSTINGS(50 X 200). AVERAGE RETURN
IS 500 AT $1 = $500. THEY MAKE 200 POSTINGS,WHICH IS 5000 RETURNS 
AT $1 = $5,000!!! AND FINALLY , 5000 PEOPLE MAKE 200 POSTINGS
WITH YOUR NAME AT #1. YOU NOW GET A RETURN OF $50,000 BEFORE
YOUR NAME DROPS OFF THE LIST. AND THET'S IF EVERYONE 
ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS,AND IF ONLY 5 PERSONS RESPOND!!!!!

     WHEN YOUR NAME IS NO LONGER ON THE LIST,YOU JUST TAKE 
THE LATEST POSTING THAT IS APPEARING IN THE NEWSGROUPS,AND SEND
OUT ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES ON THE LIST,PUTTING YOUR NAME AT 5
AGAIN. AND START POSTING AGAIN. THE THING TO REMEMBER IS,DO
REALIZE THAT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE JOINING THE 
INTERNET AND READING THESE ARTICLES EVERY DAY, JUST LIKE YOU ARE 
DOING RIGHT NOW !!!SO CAN YOU AFFORD $5 DOLLARS TO SEE IF THIS 
REALLY WORKS?I THINK SO....
     
     THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME, WHEN WE HAVE A WORLD FULL OF 
PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO GET WIRED, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE 
BEST WAYS TO MAKE MONEY BECAUSE IT IS STILL NEW AND FRESH
TO THE PEOPLE GETTING ON THE NET AND EVEN MANY SEASONED NET 
CRUISERS LOOKING TO MAKE AN HONEST DOLLAR.ONE OF MY FRIENDS
ASKED ME HOW THIS ISN'T PLAYED OUT. I ANSWERED HIM WITH THE FACT
THAT
NEW USERS ARE RUSHING TO GET ON THE NET EVERY DAY,AND THEY ARE ALL 
FINDING THE WEB,AND NEWSGROUPS WHEN THEY GET ON.HOW MANY DO YOU
THINK
ARE HONEST PEOPLE AND HONEST USERS WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE THIS A
TRY. EVEN LOW ESTIMATES ARE THAT 10,000 TO 25,000 NEW USERS ARE
JOINING ONTO THE NET,AND LITERALLY THOUSANDS WILL BE JOINING TO
READ
NEWSGROUPS. REMEMBER, PLAY FAIRLY AND HONESTLY AND THIS WILL WORK
,I PROMISE YOU!!! YOU JUST HAVE TO BE HONEST. MAKE SURE YOU PRINT
THIS ARTICLE OUT RIGHT NOW,ALSO,TRY TO KEEP A LIST OF EVERYONE
WHOM SENDS YOU MONEYAND ALWAYS KEEP AN EYE ON THE NEWSGROUPS
TTO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS PLAYING FAIRLY. REMEMBER,HONESTY IS THE 
BEST POLICY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE 
MONEY!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL AND PLEASE PLAY FAIRLY AND YOU WILL
REAP THE HUGE REWARDS FROM THIS, WHICH IS TONS OF EXTRA CASH!!!


     ****BY THE WAY,IF YOU TRY TO DECEIVE PEOPLE BY POSTING
THE MESSAGES WITH YOUR NAME ON THE LIST AND NOT SENDING THE MONEY
TO THE PEOPLE ALREADY ON THE LIST ,YOU WILL NOT GET MUCH. I READ
SOMEWHERE THAT SOMEONE DID THAT AND HE ONLY MADE $150 DOLLARS,
AND THAT'S 7 OR 8 WEEKS! IT JUST DOESN'T WORK W/O THE INVESTMENT.
AFTER HE SENT THE $1 DOLLAR BILLS,PEOPLE ADDED HIM TO THEIR LISTS,
AND IN 4-5 WEEKS HE MADE OVER $10,000. THIS IS THE FAIREST AND HONEST 
WAY I HAVE EVER SEEN TO SHARE THE WEALTH OF THE WORLD W/O COSTING
ANYTHING BUT OUR TIME!!!!!!

     
     THANKS,AND REALLY BELIEVE THIS ONE,IT WORKS.  

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From: Steinar Bang <sb@metis.no>
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>>>>> Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>:

> By the way, the -p convention has been used on variables since the 
> dawn of time.  TV::WHO-LINE-JUST-COLD-BOOTED-P.  ZWEI::*CASE-REPLACE-P*.
> UCL::DWIMIFY-PACKAGE-P.  And so on.  Where've you been?

And here I've been thinking all this time, that it signified
"predicate"...  Silly me!


- Steinar

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From: zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu>
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Subject: info - how to read info files in my home dir??
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hi,

i've been trying to figure this out for two days.  i have some info
files in my home dir and i want to read them using XEmacs.  how the
heck do i do this?

thanks,

- -pjf
- -- 
"Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
 safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773)
			  finger for PGP key
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Graham Todd <gtodd@yorku.ca> writes:

> The problem is that if I am using GNUS to read news disconnecting
> causes my entire xemacs session to freeze up.  I have to destroy the
> window and restart Xemacs.

If `C-g' doesn't help at all, it sounds like an XEmacs bug to me.

> The problem not occur if the connection goes down while using 
> W3 - only GNUS. 

Well, w3 is almost never connected to anything -- http is a
connectionless protocol.

-- 
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Mark Hood <hood@eng.sun.com> writes:

> Steve Jones - JON <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> writes:
> > If you want a general advantage of a GUI take the games industry, here
> > is a totally client driven industry that seems to belive not just in no=
t
> > CLI but in 3/4D interaction and colours by the bucket load.  Is Doom
> > better than the Origonal Adventure (on UNIX enviroments) ?

Well, at least watching it being played gets my stomach involved quite
a bit more.

> I have to add myself to the class of users that finds gratuitous colors a=
nd
> inefficient GUI's evil.  Once I've started Emacs up I generally park the
> mouse and never touch it again except to click the occasional URL or
> hypertext cross-reference (I'm not an anti-GUI purist).

Yes, but for *learning* users colors, mouses, menus etc. are helpful.
Emacs is near to unusable for newbies, unless they vigorously plan to
invest a lot of time to *first* become an adept of Emacs, *then* a
user of it.  One does not get hooked easily to a tool if every time
you try it you totally f*** up.  I know a good programmer and computer
scientist who is loath to try again using emacs for exactly that
reason.

> I also seem to be one of the few people I know who doesn't suffer from so=
me
> sort of RSI after nearly two decades of programming (knock wood).

Well, programmers type quite a lot less than average typists.
Sometimes they think.  At least some of them do.

-- 
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From: Roland Heumesser <rolandh@scirocco.bbn.hp.com>
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Subject: ange-ftp to NT 4.0 system
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If I try to edit a file on my NT system using ange-ftp (from my HP-UX 10.10 
System) I allways get no permissions for any file.

If I do a ftp by commandline I can get and put it without any problems.
What's the problem with Xemacs 19.14?

Any Help, comments, jokes?

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Can't we just stop this heated rethoric?

>From a user's point of view, I just don't care why the two emacsen are
different and I tend to blame both teams.

After long having been happy with CLIs, regarding GUIs as something
stupid, slow and simply unnecessary, it happened that I changed my
mind. However, who are we to decide what others should use?

What I want is the freedom to choose whether I want to use a GUI or a
CLI. And, I want my editor to support both.

As Emacs takes quite some time to learn for the beginner, especially
if you want to customize it, I happened to look at it again and again
and never got convinced enough to switch from vi. Then some day, along
came XEmacs and suddenly I had a powerful editor which was easy to use
as well. As a novice to emacs, I could mess around in the menus and
was greatly impressed by the wonderful "vm" mailer.

Now, of course I can have all this in GNU emacs as well. And now,
after having been using XEmacs for months, it is no longer a problem
for me to do so. But the point is, that without XEmacs, I had never
looked at using emacs again.

What keeps annoying me as a user, are the incompatibilities between
the two emacsen. To me it seems that, instead of talking with each
other on how to at least keep them compatible, the two camps fight
each other with heated rethoric. That's ridiculous!

Why don't you just spend the time on useful things?

If you need ideas what do to with your spare time, here is my
wishlist:

- make emacs/xemacs more compatible
- make emacs/xemacs multithreaded (why can't I read mail, while gnus
  looks for my news)
- make xemacs faster (it is _so_ slow! maybe I should look at
  GNU/emacs? :-)

Please, don't get me wrong. I am _not_ saying that any of the emacsen
is better, nor am I in any position to criticise your work. I am just
a simple user who got fascinated on how much energy you waste on this
stupid thread.

Thanks to both camps anyway for the best editor(s) I know!
--
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * David Kastrup
> | When did you receive the right to speak for all?
> 
> when _did_ you think I was speaking for all, David?

When you answered to the claim that a majority would perhaps prefer to
have the option to use menus and mouses and colours while they are
learning Emacs, and you said (verbatim)

When did the majority receive the right to speak for all?

While you forbid the majority to have a choice, you demand that *you*
not only get a choice, but *just* what you want, and all others should
also get *just* what you want, and not a choice.


-- 
David Kastrup                                     Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de       Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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In article <32873596.308C@eurocontrol.fr>,
Steve Jones - JON  <Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr> wrote:
> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:17:58 +0100

> If you want to see what colours mean etc, have a word with the Royal
> College of Art who did the study on colour perception for the UKs new
> ATC centre, they studied people, perception and vision and came up with
> a complex set of rules and colours to best represent the data. Of course
> they would be wrong as well according to you.

There's a rather heavy irony to people in the ATC trade lecturing the
rest of us on how to design clear and effective interfaces, when it
appears that more than three hundred people died because the self-same
trade can't agree on units to represent height between one airspace and
the next.

ian

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Hello all,

W3 3.0.29  works fine on text only sites/files but 
I can get no images to load. This is under xemacs 19.14 
running in Linux w/  X11R6.  W3 `crashes' leaving
the text from the URL in a scratch buffer.  For some
reason rgb.txt  (the color file from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb.txt)
gets loaded and left in a text buffer as well. 

In W3 - 2.2.26 (I believe this was my previous
version) image support was fine.  As I understand it,
images were deprecated for a time. Now that images
are  back in W3 do I need another package
or do I need to make further changes in order to
get image support to work?

I'm not too familiar with lisp, so the various debugging
tools haven't got me anywhere - besides, the problem is
most likely more obvious (but not to me).
The warning buffer is included below.

Thanks,
 
Graham Todd 
----------------------------------
The following is the *Warning* error message I get
from W3 3.0.29 when loading a site or file with images:


(1) (error/warning) Error in process sentinel: (invalid-function (macro . #<compiled-function (from "w3-display.elc") (url) "...(6)" [url-expand-file-name url ((cdr-safe (assoc (cdr-safe (assq (quote base) args)) w3-base-alist)))] 3>))
   

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In article <32873596.308C@eurocontrol.fr>, Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr says...
>
>I will have ever stick my neck out and say that people in general
>want a colour display, and that people in general prefer a GUI to a CLI.

You're probably right, but for the wrong reason.  Most people are stupid
enough to choose something that looks good over something that is good.
Those people are just wrong.  Those people would build a scientific
discipline based on ascetics, not correctness.

I would argue that a better interface is a more efficient interface,
for input as well as output.  A colour display or GUI may look better,
but it does not guarantee a good interface.  A good interface is relies
on good design.

-- 
Boyd Roberts <boyd@france3.fr>                        N 31 447109 5411310

``Not only is UNIX dead, but it's starting to smell really bad.''  -- rob


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Hi All,

I have the problem mentioned in the subject on a linux-elf system(german
SUSE 4.2 distribution) As I knoow is it a standard system. At some
editing sessions xemacs finished reacting on the mouse or any keys but
stays on the desktop. Then only kill -9 helps. My xemacs is the
xemacs19.13..elf..try2 version which can be found on every
sunsite-mirror.

 Has anybody had the same problem, or can give me a hint where to look
for the problem. I used on the same machine xemacs which works properly
on a older a.out system.

Thanks Ralf


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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> * David Kastrup
> | When did you receive the right to speak for all?
> 
> *sigh*.  I have not spoken for anybody else.  pay attention, dammit!

That's you speaking to yourself, I suppose ...

> I'm objecting to be told what I should prefer, when I don't.

... because nobody wants to tell you what you "should prefer". It's
all in the part of Kastrups posting you thoughtfully didn't quote:

    David Kastrup wrote
    (<m2loc7bse4.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>):

    "It is easy to configure a graphical Emac with 
     colour support  in a way as to display no graphic 
     menus and icons, and no colours."


So what are you complaining about? You complain that there is a
program, lets call it "XEmacs" for the moment, which can be used with a
GUI *and* without one.

You have the choice, so choose and stop whining about some noexistant
persons trying to force something on you.

To sum it up:

1.) Nobody tries to force you to use such a flexible piece of
    software. You don't want it? Don't use it.
2.) Even if you were forced to use XEmacs, you'd be free to configure
    it into not using any GUI-elements.

So there you are. Anything you wanted and much more for people who
want more.






-- 
jo@delorges.in-berlin.de -- Berlin, Germany

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Jo Meder (jo@delorges.in-berlin.de) wrote:
> ... because nobody wants to tell you what you "should prefer". It's
> all in the part of Kastrups posting you thoughtfully didn't quote:
>     David Kastrup wrote
>     (<m2loc7bse4.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>):
>     "It is easy to configure a graphical Emac with 
>      colour support  in a way as to display no graphic 
>      menus and icons, and no colours."
> So what are you complaining about? You complain that there is a
> program, lets call it "XEmacs" for the moment, which can be used with a
> GUI *and* without one.
[...]
> So there you are. Anything you wanted and much more for people who
> want more.

Ah, but maybe Erik is the one who doesn't like reading the manuals.
With this little help, maybe Erik will become an XEmacs user. :-) Put
this in your .emacs, Erik:

;; Erik's settings :-)
(set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p nil)
(set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)
(set-specifier scrollbar-width 0)

No toolbar, no menubar, no scrollbar.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
* Q: What is an experienced Emacs user?
* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.

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Hi all,

I'm trying to use hs-minor-mode (with c++-mode). All I get is the
following message:

must specify a menu name

(or something like that). Anyway, this was just a test. I would like
to know:

1. Will hs allow me to hide C blocks.
2. Is it possible to make it work.

Thanks in advance.

---Alain.

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In XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (sparc-sun-solaris2.5) of Thu Aug 29 1996 on serv-201

Would it not be more appropriate for just-one-space to check if the
abbrev-mode is turned on before expanding abbreviations?  The webster mode
calls this function and it leads to curious results.

--- Alastair 


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Hrvoje Niksic writes:
 > (set-specifier default-toolbar-visible-p nil)
 > (set-specifier menubar-visible-p nil)
 > (set-specifier scrollbar-width 0)
 > 
 > No toolbar, no menubar, no scrollbar.

hi hr, you forgot to amend the 3d-ness of the modeline...

ciao
                                                                gb

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>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Mikulla <ralfm@itap.physik.uni-stuttgart.de> writes:

Ralf> Hi All,
Ralf> I have the problem mentioned in the subject on a linux-elf system(german
Ralf> SUSE 4.2 distribution) As I knoow is it a standard system. At some
Ralf> editing sessions xemacs finished reacting on the mouse or any keys but
Ralf> stays on the desktop. Then only kill -9 helps. My xemacs is the
Ralf> xemacs19.13..elf..try2 version which can be found on every
Ralf> sunsite-mirror.

Ralf>  Has anybody had the same problem, or can give me a hint where
Ralf> to look for the problem. I used on the same machine xemacs which
Ralf> works properly on a older a.out system.

That sounds like a bad binary -- XEmacs works great on Linux.  Have
you tried one of the binaries on xemacs.org?

	ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/

If you get the infamous h_error run-time error, then there is
definitely a problem with your distribution.
-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
What are the last two letters of "doesn't" and "can't"?
Coincidence?  I think not.

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>>>>> "Darryl" == Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com> writes:

  Darryl> Paul Flinders <paul@dawa.demon.co.uk> writes:
  >> adams@brain.adams.rohnert-park.ca.us (Sean Adams) writes:
  >> 
  >> > Gary Beckmann (gary@radionics.com) wrote:
  >> > 
  >> > I've noticed something of a slowdown under HP-UX 10.  I haven't looked
  >> > at it very hard, but it appears that if you have a buffer showing in
  >> > more than one frame, Xemacs slows down to a crawl.
  >> 
  >> We have lots of problems with this on our HPs (10.10 and 10.01). Other
  >> posters have reported problems on Suns. One has noted that it looks as
  >> though the problem may be redisplay running to completion rather than
  >> stopping when new input is available.

  Darryl> There is an XEmacs 19.14 bug where, under HP-UX (and other
  Darryl> platforms???), SIGIO does not work (new input is ignored
  Darryl> until redisplay ends).  I've appended a patch that includes
  Darryl> fixes for this.  This may fix the "slowdown" problem you're
  Darryl> seeing.  *HOWEVER*, I was a bit sloppy in fixing the SIGIO
  Darryl> bug, and I may have broken the code for non-HP platforms.  I
  Darryl> don't know, though.

  Darryl> I've given these patches to someone who said he'd clean it
  Darryl> up and forward it on the XEmacs folks, but I don't know if
  Darryl> this happened.

At last check this fix was in xemacs-19.15, but it doesn't fix the
slowness, just the key release bug (in a large document hold page down
key, and release, the document will continue to scroll).  At times I
can still type faster than xemacs can display characters.  I read
somewhere that this occurs most often during autosave, though I
haven't checked it out myself.  

I've gone back to using emacs 19.34, just because things are so slow
in xemacs no flames intended.  I've included times from a benchmark
package I'm working on.  It's very simple, and included at the bottom,
I'd be interested in any comments/flames.  I should do more
iterations, but I just haven't gotten that far yet.

Emacs 19.34
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           3.2771169999  3.2771169999 <- (hanoi 4)
bench-mark-2   1           12.216554999  12.216554999 <- (fontify buffer)
bench-mark-3   1           175.92057400  175.92057400 <- (next-line)
bench-mark-4   1           1.1632810000  1.1632810000 <- (make-frame)
bench-mark-6   1           106.80745799  106.80745799 <- (byte-compile)

XEmacs 19.15
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           30.190243000  30.190243000
bench-mark-2   1           18.474271999  18.474271999
bench-mark-3   1           352.46530100  352.46530100
bench-mark-4   1           0.4475679999  0.4475679999
bench-mark-6   1           170.57167900  170.57167900

I think I read an article by Steven Baur that said something about
byte compiles, and some other things being slow because some part of
the code was written in lisp for xemacs, where as it's written in C
for emacs.  I couldn't re-find the article to determine if it had
anything to do with display code.

Shane

;;; bench.el --- a crude benchmark for emacses
;; Copyright (C) 1987,88,89,90,93,94,95,96 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Shane Holder <holder@rsn.hp.com>

;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.	 See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,
;; Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

;; To run 
;; At the shell prompt emacs -q  <= don't load users .emacs
;; M-x byte-compile-file "bench.el"
;; M-x load-file "bench.elc"
;; In the scratch buffer (bench)

; Use elp to profile benchmarks

(require 'elp)

(defvar large-lisp-file "/home/src/emacs-19.33/lisp/gnus.el"
  "Large lisp file to use in benchmarks")

(defvar bench-sort-filename "/tmp/bench-"
  "File to be used in the sort benchmark")

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-1 ()
  ; How long to complete hanoi
  (hanoi 4)
)

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-2 ()
  ; How long to fonitfy a large file
  (find-file large-lisp-file)
  (font-lock-fontify-buffer)
)

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-3 ()
  ; How long does it take to scroll down through a large file
  (while (progn
	   (next-line 1)
	   (sit-for 0)
	   (not (looking-at "\\'"))))
)

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-4 ()
  ; How quickly can emacs create a new frame
  (make-frame)
)


;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-init-mark-5 ()
  (setq bench-sort-filename (make-temp-name bench-sort-filename))
  (find-file bench-sort-filename)
)

(defun bench-mark-5 ()
  ; Sort something
)

;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(defun bench-mark-6 ()
  ; Byte compile a file
  (byte-compile-file large-lisp-file)
)

;=============================================================================
(defun bench-init ()
;  (bench-init-mark-5)
)

(defun bench ()
  (elp-instrument-package "bench-mark")	;Only instrument functions
					;beginning with bench-mark
  (bench-init)
  (bench-mark-1)
  (bench-mark-2)
  (bench-mark-3)
  (bench-mark-4)
  (bench-mark-6)
  (elp-results)
)

-- 
Shane Holder                                 e-mail: holder@rsn.hp.com
Hewlett Packard                               phone:     (214)497-4182
3000 Waterview                       Never underestimate the bandwidth
Richardson, TX 75083                 of a truck moving at 70 MPH.


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"CTRL" and "V" and press POST.



7)	That's it!  Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a

different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 250+ DIFFERENT newsgroups,

you see?  Each one only takes about 30 seconds once you get started. 

Remember....250 is THE MINIMUM!  More is recommended.



THAT'S IT!!!!!!!!  COMPLETE THESE STEPS, AND YOU WILL DEFINATELY MAKE

MONEY!



You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns

within 7 to 14 days!  Remember....the Internet is new and HUGE.  There

is no way you can lose!



NOW HERE IS HOW AND WHY THE SYSTEM WORKS:



Out of every block of 250 postings you make, let's say you ONLY receive

5 replies, which is a VERY LOW estimate!  You make $5 in cash...with

your name at #5!



Each additional person who sent you $1 now also makes 250 postings with

your name at #4, 1000 postings.  On average then, 50 people will send

you $1 with your name at #4......$50 in your pocket!



Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your name at #3

or 10,000 postings.  Average return, 500 people = $500.  They make 250

postings each with your name at #2 = 100,000 postings = 5000 returns at

$1 each = $5,000 in cash!



Finally, 5000 people make 250 postings each with your name at #1 and you

get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off the list.  And that's

only if everyone down the line makes only 250 postings each and only 5

people respond to each person!!!!  Your total income for this one cycle

is $55,000!!!!!



>From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you

take the latest posting you can find and start all over again!



		The end result depends on you.  You must follow through and repost

this 		article everywhere you can think of.

		The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. 

It's 		too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!



Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh?  But believe me, it works!  There a

MILLIONS of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the

world.  And 100,000 new people get on the net every day.  You know that,

you've seen the stories in the paper.  So, my friend, read and follow

the simple instructions and play fair.  That's the key, and that's all

there is to it.  Print this out right now so you can refer to this

article easily.  Try and keep an eye on all the postings you made to

make sure everyone is playing fairrly.  You know where your name should

be.



If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then

don't do it!  You can pass it along to someone who really needs the

bucks, and see what happens!



		REMEMBER.....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.  YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT

THE 			BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!  GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY

FAIR 			AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!!! 



***By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with

your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already

included, you will not get much.  Someone did this and only got about

$150 (and that's after 2 months).  Then he sent the 5 bills, people

added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000!!!!!!



			TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!!   ;-)

	











		 

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>>>>> "KB" == Karsten Ballueder <karsten@pimiraculix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:

KB> What keeps annoying me as a user, are the incompatibilities
KB> between the two emacsen. To me it seems that, instead of talking
KB> with each other on how to at least keep them compatible, the two
KB> camps fight each other with heated rethoric.

More annoying still: the irrelevant whinings of lusers complaining about
these debates getting in the way of their consumption.


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>>>>> "JZ" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

    JZ> By the way, the -p convention has been used on variables since
    JZ> the dawn of time.  TV::WHO-LINE-JUST-COLD-BOOTED-P.
    JZ> ZWEI::*CASE-REPLACE-P*. UCL::DWIMIFY-PACKAGE-P.  And so on.
    JZ> Where've you been?

It's also in a sci fi short story, I forget by who (Heinlein?), and I
forget when (mid-70's?).  At one point in the story the female
computer expert is wearing a shirt that says "screw p" and the male
antagonist is pondering what that means.  I think it's described in
the story that the "p" stands both for predicate and it also kind of
looks like a `?'.

Anybody remember the details about that short story?

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Subject: ".emacs" vs. "tex-mode.el" ???
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I'm using xemacs-19.14.  It has a file 
"/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/modes/tex-mode.el" where the following 
is defined: 

=======================================
(defvar tex-dvi-view-command nil
  "*Command used by \\[tex-view] to display a .dvi file.
If this string contains an asterisk (*), it will be replaced by the
filename; if not, the name of the file, preceded by blank, will be added to
this string.

This can be set conditionally so that the previewer used is suitable for the
window system being used.  For example,

    (setq tex-dvi-view-command
          (if (eq window-system 'x) \"xdvi\" \"dvi2tty * | cat -s\"))

would tell \\[tex-view] use xdvi under X windows and to use dvi2tty
otherwise.")
======================================== 

But I want to set the variable "tex-dvi-view-command" to "xdvi", so 
I put the following line in the ".emacs":

(setq tex-dvi-view-command "xdvi") 

After I rerun the xemacs, the variable still is "nil" not "xdvi".  
However, if I change "tex-mode.el" in the same way I did in ".emacs" 
as a superuser, it works properly.  Why is it working this way?  
Isn't it enough to change ".emacs" to customize xemacs rather than 
to change each ".el" files? 

Woody
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i have in my .emacs file:
 (setq-default c-basic-offset 4)

and that worked for c mode, but has no effect in java mode.

what do i do to change the indent level of java mode?

thank 
 aaron

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* Jo Meder
| So what are you complaining about? You complain that there is a program,
| lets call it "XEmacs" for the moment, which can be used with a GUI *and*
| without one.

you should have noticed that the discussion on user interfaces had moved
away from just Emacs/XEmacs and into a more general domain.  your summary
is remarkably stupid, considering what the arguments have been here.  that
"pay attention" was directed to fools who insist on commenting when they
have not read anything of the actual discussions.  but that's generally
what happens to a debate on USENET.  the fools come in when a general
understanding, if not agreement, has emerged among the earlier debaters,
and we get such things as "where have you been"-style bickinger over the
-p convention instead of intelligent arguments.

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* David Kastrup
| While you forbid the majority to have a choice,

I know you're German, but nobody has been forbidding anybody anything
anywhere in these discussions.  please pay attention.

#\Erik
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:
    Kevin> Greetings.

    Steven> Installation procedures haven't remained constant, and I don't
    Steven> remember what special things I had to do with 7.68.  With the current
    Steven> version I modify the declarations of PREFIX and EXEC_PREFIX in TM-CFG
    Steven> to point to /usr/local.

I don't have to modify anything at all.  I say 'make EMACS=xemacs;
make install EMACS=xemacs;'  that's all.

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EN> == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>

 EN> how _could_ a program adapt to the user without the user
 EN> communicating his wishes to the program?

Gnus 5 has adaptive scoring, which doesn't require the user to explicitly
communicate his wishes to the program.  Perhaps code could be developed
for XEmacs that would ask the user if they wanted toolbars and/or menubars
turned off ("you've been using XEmacs for 15 days and haven't used the
toolbar yet; perhaps you'd rather reclaim the screen space?").

Emacs has long had something like this (disable-command) for protecting
functions which might confuse novices, but which experts may want enabled.

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From: psmith@baynetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
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I can't answer your question: I tried adding

  (setq tex-dvi-view-command "xdvi")

to my ~/.emacs and starting Emacs 19.34 and visiting a .tex buffer, and
C-h v tex-dvi-view-command RET shows the value to, in fact, be "xdvi".

So, either you're doing something wrong (starting XEmacs with -q?
Mistyped the variable name?), or XEmacs has a different version of
tex-mode.el from Emacs 19.34 (that maybe makes this variable
buffer-local?), or XEmacs is pretty broken (which I doubt, at least for
something this obvious :).

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I know I've seen this question before, but searching through the FAQ
and dejanews yielded nothing so here goes:

I'm running XEmacs on an underpowered linux machine and find that the
constant garbage collection is really killing me. Is there a parameter
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Thanks for any pointers or advice,

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>>>>> "Alastair" == Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.uni-sb.de> writes:

Alastair> Would it not be more appropriate for just-one-space to check
Alastair> if the abbrev-mode is turned on before expanding
Alastair> abbreviations?  The webster mode calls this function and it
Alastair> leads to curious results.

It sure would be, and the change has already been made.  Use this
definition of just-one-space (from prim/simple.el) if you wish:

;; XEmacs 19.15 version
(defun just-one-space ()
  "Delete all spaces and tabs around point, leaving one space."
  (interactive "*")
  (if abbrev-mode ; XEmacs
      (expand-abbrev))
  (skip-chars-backward " \t")
  (if (= (following-char) ? )
      (forward-char 1)
    (insert ? ))
  (delete-region (point) (progn (skip-chars-forward " \t") (point))))

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[comp.emacs and gnu.emacs.help trimmed since this is an XEmacs question]

>>>>> "woonki" == woonki  <woonki@physics.georgetown.edu> writes:

woonki> I'm using xemacs-19.14.  ...

woonki> But I want to set the variable "tex-dvi-view-command" to "xdvi", so 
woonki> I put the following line in the ".emacs":

woonki> (setq tex-dvi-view-command "xdvi")

woonki> After I rerun the xemacs, the variable still is "nil" not "xdvi".  

It's not clear what you mean here.  Reexecuting a .emacs in the same
session is usually an unwise decision.  If you really did put that
line in your .emacs, and then killed and restarted XEmacs it should
have taken effect.

woonki> However, if I change "tex-mode.el" in the same way I did in ".emacs" 
woonki> as a superuser, it works properly.  Why is it working this way?  

woonki> Isn't it enough to change ".emacs" to customize xemacs rather than 
woonki> to change each ".el" files? 

Yes, check your steps carefully.  What you described should have worked.
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> craig> (global-set-key [kp-multiply] 'undo)
> craig> (global-set-key [kp-add] 'kill-ring-save)
> craig> (global-set-key [kp-subtract] 'kill-region)
> 
> craig> this works for emacs 19.31 under both linux and hp-ux but not
> craig> with xemacs,  any ideas?
> 
> (global-set-key [kp_multiply] 'undo)
> (global-set-key [kp_add] 'kill-ring-save)
> (global-set-key [kp_subtract] 'kill-region)
> 
> :-(
> 
> Yes, this is braindamaged, yes it will be fixed for XEmacs 19.15.


Does this bug also apply to commands like the following?  I always
have to evaluate these "by hand" in xemacs after startup...

(global-set-key "\C-c\C-l" 'goto-line)
(global-set-key "\C-c\C-w" 'fixup-whitespace)

--Rob

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Subject: [Q+suggestion] `goto-char' in `write-file-hooks': no effect
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Using `goto-char' in a function in `write-file-hooks' has no effect
since the functions in `write-file-hooks' are called inside a
`save-excursion' (see function `basic-save-buffer' in file files.el --in
both Emacses, wow ;-).

Actually, I would vote for calling the functions in `write-file-hooks'
outside any `save-excursion' or `save-restriction'.  The reason:

If I change the whole buffer contents via an external process, all
markers (including `point', `mark' saved by `save-excursion') point to
the beginning of the file.  Without `save-excursion' I could simply do

	(let ((point-pos (point)))
	  ``changing and re-changing the contents via some process''
	  (goto-char point-pos))

with `save-excursion', this is not possible :-(  Or is there any
possibility?

-- 
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In article <61g22doo4b.fsf@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>,
Barry A. Warsaw <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> wrote:

>It's also in a sci fi short story, I forget by who (Heinlein?), and I
>forget when (mid-70's?).  At one point in the story the female
>computer expert is wearing a shirt that says "screw p" and the male
>antagonist is pondering what that means.  I think it's described in
>the story that the "p" stands both for predicate and it also kind of
>looks like a `?'.
>
>Anybody remember the details about that short story?

That was "Press Enter", I'm not sure about the author but it might be
John Varley.  The male isn't an antagonist btw (unless we're talking
about another story, but I do remember something along the lines of a
"screw-p")... the female character is a hacker working for the police to
find out what happened, and the guy is the neighbor.

	-Roger
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I'm trying to use the SPARCworks (XEmacs v19.14) debugger (dbx) to 
debug some Objective C code. The debugger will run the program but 
when I select a source file to add breaks to Emacs complains that
it can't find the object file associated with that source file. I 
have used the -g option when compiling with gcc 2.7.2. Any ideas 
whats wrong?

Thanks,

David.

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Are there binaries for Solaris 2.5 anywhere? I have the standard Sun
development tools and they don't work too well for Gnu stuff.

Alternately, does anybody have any opinions about installing the gnus
stuff?

Thanks.

-- 
Justin Gordon, CFA              Mellon Capital Management
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phone: 415.267.1287							San Francisco, CA 94105 

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In <56cd3m$4hk@route1.france3.fr> boyd@france3.fr (Boyd Roberts) writes:

>You're probably right, but for the wrong reason.  Most people are stupid
>enough to choose something that looks good over something that is good.

These are not diametrically opposed.  Something can look good and
be good at the same time.

>Those people are just wrong.  Those people would build a scientific
>discipline based on ascetics, not correctness.

>I would argue that a better interface is a more efficient interface,
>for input as well as output.  A colour display or GUI may look better,
>but it does not guarantee a good interface.  A good interface is relies
>on good design.

The more efficient interface is the one which provides the easiest-to-
read text.  For some systems, that will be anti-aliased, variable
width fonts.  On others, it will be a default screen font (since that's
the only thing there ;)

If you don't like anti-aliased fonts then don't use them--your choice.
But for many people, it's the best looking text around.

-- 
Ken Bibb                "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone
kbibb@arastar.com        Don't discourage me
kbibb@best.com           Bring out the stars/On the first day"
kbibb@csd.sgi.com               David Sylvian--"The First Day"

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-- 
Hi,

I tried to install Xemacs-19.14 on my platform which is sun-solaris2.5 
from the 2 files below: 
 - xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
 - xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-solaris2.4.tar
from ftp.ibp.fr/pub/emacs/xemacs

This installation took place on a particular directory on my account
(not in /usr/local)

After gzip -d and tar xvf, when I lauched xemacs I got, the following
message:

"Required feature x-mouse was not provided"


When I want to open or to save a file, I got the following message:

"wrong number of arguments: (lambda (hook-var hook-function) "prepend
hook-function to hook-var's value if it is not already an element"

Thus I cannot use xemacs since I cannot open or save any file.

Could you help me ? I do not know what to do to solve my problem

Best regards

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Subject: Improved, fast page-up page-down
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Dear (X)emacs users,

The three functions below (a basic one and two which call it to perform
different actions) allow page-down, page-up movement in such a way that 
the original line is always recovered when inverting the action and the 
cursor remains all the time at the same line on the screen (window):
that is, no automatic recentering is performed.
In my opinion, recentering is annoying in a few occasions. For example, 
when the current line is close to the bottom of the window and page-down
is pressed, because of the recentering, the lines which were visible at
the bottom of the window are scrolled up outside of the user's view.
The default mapping of the pg-up, pg-dn keys with scroll-down scroll-up, 
on the other hand, has the problem of the noninvertibility of the action 
mentioned above (i.e., after a pg-dn, pg-up, the current line may be
changed).
Those who are interested in trying this simple variant should assign
the keys pg-dn, pg-up in .emacs to the functions 
rb-page-down, rb-page-up. The code is for (X)emacs-19.14: slight 
modifications for Emacs are necessary.

Remo Badii
Paul Scherrer Institute
Nonlinear dynamics and
stochastic processes
CH-5232 Villigen
Switzerland
badii @ psi.ch

(defvar rb-up nil
  "Set true by rb-page-up and false by rb-page-down.")

(defun rb-page-move ()
  "Called by rb-page-down (up). Moves the current line down (up)
window-displayed-height lines, depending on whether rb-up is nil or t. 
The inverse operation brings back to the previous line.
No recentering takes place, except close to the end of the buffer, 
so that the cursor remains on the same displayed line on the screen."
  (interactive "_")
  (let ((wdh (window-displayed-height))  ; Variables: window-start, current
	  ws curr sh trgt)                 ; line, shift, target line
    (if rb-up (setq wdh (- wdh)))
    (setq curr (count-lines 1 (point)))  ; Get current line
    (if (bolp) (setq curr (1+ curr)))    ; Correct for beg-of-line
    (setq ws (window-start))
    (save-excursion
	(goto-char ws)                     ; Go to beg of window
	(setq ws (count-lines 1 (point)))  ; and evaluate line number
	(if (bolp) (setq ws (1+ ws)))      ; Correct for beg-of-line
	)
    (setq sh (- curr ws))                  ; Compute the shift
    (save-excursion
	(forward-line (- wdh sh))          ; Compute target point
	(beginning-of-line)
	(setq trgt (point))
	)
    (forward-line wdh)                        ; Move and
    (set-window-start (selected-window) trgt) ; reposition.
    (if (> (point) (- (point-max) 20))        ; If close to end
	  (progn                              ; of buffer, recenter.
	    (setq wdh (abs wdh))              ; Take abs(wdh)
	    (recenter (/ wdh 2))))))

(defun rb-page-up ()
  "Moves the text up window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (setq rb-up t)
  (rb-page-move))

(defun rb-page-down ()
  "Moves the text up window-displayed-height lines."
  (interactive "_")
  (setq rb-up nil)
  (rb-page-move))

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In article <3056904377316838@naggum.no>,
	Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
> I know you're German, but nobody has been forbidding anybody anything
> anywhere in these discussions.  please pay attention.

Oh, please.  These discussions are pretty worthless when they degenerate
to this sort of mud-slinging.  Take it to email, guys.

Just so I'm vaguely on-topic: I like both variants, but I use XEmacs
more, because it's prettier, and easier to configure for someone like
me who doesn't grok Lisp.  GNU Emacs seems faster and more compact but
not as friendly or polished.  All IMHO, of course.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * David Kastrup
> | While you forbid the majority to have a choice,
> 
> I know you're German, but nobody has been forbidding anybody anything
> anywhere in these discussions.  please pay attention.

Why so shy? In your private Email reaction you have just now called me
"Nazi" for my differing opinion.  (BTW, it is rumoured that this word
will end a thread.  Let's hope so).

It is sad that you have no more arguments left than those.  Not that
this is of any relevance, but I am a born citizen of the U.S.A., and
my father was about 10 years old when WWII ended.

Anyhow, since you'll need to have the last word anyway (or you'll
choke), this is the last you'll hear from me about this thread.

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Subject: Re: ".emacs" vs. "tex-mode.el" ???


If the tex-mode.el file is evaluated AFTER you set
'tex-dvi-view-command, the definition of the variable
'tex-dvi-view-command override your setting.

 You should do ;
(add-hook 'tex-mode-hook
	(function
	  (lambda()
	    (setq tex-dvi-view-command "xdvi") )))

This way, when you open your foobar.tex file, thanks to the
auto-mode-list, emacs knows that you require tex-mode for files ending
by .tex. It loads the file tex-mode.el as it is specified in the
auto-mode-list variable. It execute the tex-mode function. At the end
of its execution, the 'tex-mode-hook is evaluated => you get what you
want.

 There is almost (99%) always such a hook on modes.

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At 09:27 14/11/96 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear (X)emacs users,
>
>The three functions below (a basic one and two which call it to perform
>different actions) allow page-down, page-up movement in such a way that 
>the original line is always recovered when inverting the action and the 
>cursor remains all the time at the same line on the screen (window):
>that is, no automatic recentering is performed.


I think you will find this problem has already been solved by Eric Eide's 
really *excellent* scroll-in-place package. See the header below.

-- David

;;;; LCD Archive Entry:
;;;; scroll-in-place|Eric Eide|eeide@cs.utah.edu|
;;;; Improved vertical scrolling commands|
;;;; 29-Dec-1993|1.1|~/misc/scroll-in-place.el.Z|

;;;; SUMMARY
;;;;
;;;; This package provides improved vertical scrolling commands for GNU Emacs.
;;;; These new commands offer the following features:
;;;;
;;;; + When a scrolling command is executed, GNU Emacs tries to keep point as
;;;;   close as possible to its original window position (window line and
;;;;   column).  This is what "scroll in place" means: point stays "in place"
;;;;   within the window.  (There are times when point must be moved from its
;;;;   original window position in order to execute the scroll; see below.)
;;;;
;;;;   The variable scroll-in-place, which is true by default, determines
;;;;   whether or not the standard GNU Emacs scrolling commands (scroll-down,
;;;;   scroll-up, and scroll-other-window) use the "in place" features listed
;;;;   here.  When scroll-in-place is nil, the standard GNU Emacs scrolling
;;;;   commands essentially just call the original versions of themselves.
;;;;   (Note that even when scroll-in-place is nil, the new versions of scroll-
;;;;   down and scroll-up have slightly different behavior when the minibuffer
;;;;   window is the selected window.  See below.)
;;;;
;;;;   It is possible to turn off (or turn on) "in place" scrolling for certain
;;;;   buffers by making buffer-local bindings of the variable scroll-in-place
;;;;   for those buffers.  The variable scroll-in-place is not usually buffer-
;;;;   local, but you can make it so if you desire.
;;;;
;;;; + Because the improved scrolling commands keep point at its original
;;;;   window position, these scrolling commands are "reversible."  The
;;;;   scroll-up command undoes the effect of the immediately previous
;;;;   scroll-down command (if any) and vice versa.  In other words, if you
;;;;   scroll up and then immediately scroll back down, the window
;;;;   configuration is restored to its exact original state.  This allows you
;;;;   to browse through a buffer more easily, as you can always get back to
;;;;   the original configuration.
;;;;
;;;;   Note, however, that the improved scrolling commands are guaranteed to be
;;;;   reversible only if there are no intervening non-scrolling commands.
;;;;   Also, if you give a prefix argument to a scrolling command (in order to
;;;;   specify the number of lines to scroll by), previous scrolling commands
;;;;   may no longer be reversible.  More specifically, if the new prefix
;;;;   argument has a different magnitude than the previous scrolling distance,
;;;;   then any previous scrolling commands are not reversible.  The new prefix
;;;;   argument takes precedence.
;;;;
;;;;   You might find it useful to think of the scrolling commands as forming
;;;;   "chains."  A scrolling command either starts or continues a chain.  By
;;;;   issuing a non-scrolling command or by changing the number of lines to be
;;;;   scrolled, you break the chain.  (Note that simply changing the scrolling
;;;;   direction won't break the chain; changing the absolute number of lines
;;;;   to be scrolled is what breaks the chain.)  Scrolling commands are
;;;;   guaranteed to be reversible only within the current chain.  Hopefully
;;;;   that's clear enough.
;;;;
;;;; + When a scrolling command is given a prefix argument (which specifies the
;;;;   number of lines to scroll by), then that argument becomes the default
;;;;   scrolling distance for all immediately subsequent scrolling commands.
;;;;   This means that you can easily set the scrolling distance for a chain
;;;;   of scrolling commands.  Note that a new prefix argument or any non-
;;;;   scrolling command breaks the chain (as described above), and any further
;;;;   scrolling commands will use the usual defaults (or the prefix argument
;;;;   you specify at that time, of course).
;;;;
;;;;   However, there are cases in which one doesn't want the current scrolling
;;;;   command to use the default scrolling distance that was set by the
;;;;   previous scrolling command.  For example, suppose that you had special
;;;;   commands that scrolled one line up and one line down.  When you invoke
;;;;   one of these commands, the "in place" scrolling routines set the default
;;;;   scrolling distance to be just one line.  Now suppose that you use one of
;;;;   your special commands and then immediately invoke scroll-up (C-v),
;;;;   expecting it to scroll by a near windowful of text.  You would be
;;;;   disappointed -- because the previous command set the default scrolling
;;;;   distance to be just one line, scroll-up just scrolls by one line.
;;;;
;;;;   To solve this problem, "scroll-in-place" allows you to divide scrolling
;;;;   commands into separate "groups."  Commands in a group can only form
;;;;   chains with (and therefore, inherit defaults from) commands in the same
;;;;   group.  (Note that no command can be in more than one group.)  If you
;;;;   invoke a scrolling command that is not in the same group as that of the
;;;;   immediately previous scrolling command, then the previous chain is
;;;;   broken and you start a new chain -- with a new set of defaults.
;;;;
;;;;   So to solve the problem described above, you could put your one-line
;;;;   scrolling commands in their own group.  Once that is done, the standard
;;;;   scrolling commands will not form chains with your one-line scrolling
;;;;   commands, and therefore will not use the default scrolling distance set
;;;;   by those commands.  Problem solved!
;;;;
;;;;   By default, all "in place" scrolling commands are in a single group.  If
;;;;   you want to partition some commands into separate groups, you must do
;;;;   that yourself *before* any "in place" commands are invoked.  For more
;;;;   information about grouping commands, see the documentation for variables
;;;;   scroll-command-groups and scroll-default-command-group.
;;;;
;;;; + The improved scrolling commands will avoid displaying empty lines past
;;;;   the end of the buffer when possible.  In other words, just as you can't
;;;;   see "dead space" before the beginning of the buffer text, the new
;;;;   scrolling commands try to avoid displaying "dead space" past the end of
;;;;   the buffer text.  This behavior is somewhat configurable; see the
;;;;   documentation for the variable scroll-allow-blank-lines-past-eob.
;;;;
;;;;   Dead space will be displayed if it is necessary in order to make a
;;;;   previous scrolling action reversible, however.
;;;;
;;;; + If the scrolling commands cannot keep point at its initial window
;;;;   position (because a buffer boundary is on screen and the window can't be
;;;;   scrolled as far as necessary to keep point at the right place), point is
;;;;   allowed to temporarily stray from its initial window position.  That is,
;;;;   point moves the correct number of window lines, even if it means that it
;;;;   has to stray from its desired window position.  This straying is undone
;;;;   when (and if) the scrolling action is reversed.
;;;;
;;;; + If a scrolling command tries to move point past a buffer boundary, point
;;;;   is instead moved to the boundary (the beginning or the end of the buffer
;;;;   as appropriate) and an appropriate message is displayed.  This motion is
;;;;   reversible, of course.
;;;;
;;;;   However, if point was already at the buffer boundary when the scrolling
;;;;   command was invoked, the command signals an appropriate error instead.
;;;;
;;;; + When the minibuffer window is the selected window, the new versions of
;;;;   scroll-up and scroll-down either scroll the minibuffer-scroll-window
;;;;   (which is usually the window of completions) or the next-window if there
;;;;   is no minibuffer-scroll-window.  This is usually much more useful than
;;;;   scrolling the minibuffer itself.  (Note that this feature is available
;;;;   even when the variable scroll-in-place is nil.)
;;;;
;;;; + When a scrolling command is scrolling a window other than the selected
;;;;   window, it will signal an appropriate buffer boundary error if the
;;;;   window cannot be scrolled (because the appropriate buffer boundary is
;;;;   already visible).  This means that an error is signalled even in cases
;;;;   that would be allowed (by "straying" point or by moving it to the buffer
;;;;   boundary) if the window were selected.
;;;;
;;;;   (If an error were not signalled in these cases, then there would be many
;;;;   cases in which the last scroll in a particular direction would appear to
;;;;   do nothing because only the point position would change -- the displayed
;;;;   text would stay the same!  To avoid these cases the scrolling commands
;;;;   signal boundary errors "prematurely" when the window to be scrolled is
;;;;   not selected.)
;;;;
;;;; So how is this package different than Joe Wells' "scroll-fix" package?
;;;;
;;;; + This package provides "in place" behavior for the standard GNU Emacs
;;;;   commands by default; "scroll-fix" does not.
;;;;
;;;; + "scroll-fix" behaves differently when the window is near a buffer
;;;;   boundary.  Instead of allowing point to stray, "scroll-fix" first does
;;;;   an incomplete scroll (i.e., moves point less than the full distance in
;;;;   order to keep point at the desired window position) and then pops point
;;;;   to the buffer boundary.  I think that the behavior of this package is
;;;;   somewhat move intuitive, especially for small scrolling distances.
;;;;
;;;; + The scrolling commands in this package will appropriately signal buffer
;;;;   boundary errors; the commands in "scroll-fix" never signal boundary
;;;;   errors.  This makes it difficult to allow "scroll-fix" to replace the
;;;;   standard scroll-down and scroll-up commands because some other packages
;;;;   (e.g., VM and GNUS) expect the scrolling commands to signal these errors
;;;;   as necessary.
;;;;
;;;; + This package handles long lines correctly.  (But see PROBLEMS, below.)
;;;;
;;;; + "scroll-fix" handles prefix arguments differently.  In "scroll-fix", a
;;;;   number-containing prefix argument always breaks any running chain of
;;;;   scrolling commands.  The prefix argument - (the symbol minus, generated
;;;;   by C-u -) causes a temporary change in direction (a change for only the
;;;;   current command).  In this package, a number-containing prefix argument
;;;;   only breaks a running chain if it has a different magnitude than the
;;;;   default scrolling distance, and the prefix argument - causes a permanent
;;;;   change in the sign of the default scrolling distance (a change visible
;;;;   to immediately subsequent scrolling commands).
;;;;
;;;; + This package keeps track of the set of "in place" scrolling commands
;;;;   dynamically, in order to detect "chains" of scrolling commands.
;;;;   "scroll-fix" has a fixed list of scrolling commands, so "scroll-fix"
;;;;   cannot keep track of some chains.  (Again, "scroll-fix" interacts badly
;;;;   with VM and GNUS.)  And because "scroll-fix" keeps a static list of
;;;;   scrolling commands, it is a bad idea to call its "in place" commands
;;;;   from a program.  This package, because it maintains the information
;;;;   dynamically, has no such problems.
;;;;
;;;; + This package allows one to divide the "in place" scrolling commands into
;;;;   groups; a command in a group only forms chains with the members of its
;;;;   group.  "scroll-fix" has no notion of command groups.
;;;;
;;;; + This package provides an "in place" version of the standard GNU Emacs
;;;;   command scroll-other-window (and a replacement for scroll-other-window,
;;;;   too).
;;;;
;;;; + This package will refuse to scroll non-selected windows (by signalling
;;;;   an error) when the displayed text would not change, as described in the
;;;;   feature list above.
;;;;
;;;; + When the minibuffer is selected, this package always scrolls a window
;;;;   other than the minibuffer.  "scroll-fix" will scroll another window only
;;;;   if the entire minibuffer contents are visible.
;;;;
;;;; + "scroll-fix" provides a command to toggle the "in place" behavior of the
;;;;   standard GNU Emacs commands.  This package doesn't; you'll have to set
;;;;   the option manually with set-variable.
;;;;
;;;; + This package has gratuitous variable renaming (insert smile here!):
;;;;
;;;;   "scroll-fix" user variable            Equivalent in this package
;;;;   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
;;;;   scroll-in-place                       (none)
;;;;   scroll-in-place-replace-original      scroll-in-place
;;;;   scroll-in-place-eob-blank-allowed     scroll-allow-blank-lines-past-eob
;;;;
;;;; + This package allows programmers to specify the default scrolling
;;;;   distance (i.e., the default distance used when starting a new chain of
;;;;   scrolling commands) for custom scrolling commands.

;;;; COMMANDS AND FUNCTIONS
;;;;
;;;; This package provides the following "in place" versions of GNU Emacs'
;;;; standard vertical scrolling commands:
;;;;
;;;;   scroll-down-in-place
;;;;   scroll-up-in-place
;;;;   scroll-other-window-in-place
;;;;
;;;; The variable scroll-in-place, which is true by default, determines whether
;;;; or not the new versions of the standard GNU Emacs scrolling commands
;;;; (scroll-down, scroll-up, and scroll-other-window) use the "in place"
;;;; features listed above.  When scroll-in-place is nil, the standard GNU
;;;; Emacs scrolling commands essentially just call the original versions of
;;;; themselves.  (Note that even when scroll-in-place is nil, the new versions
;;;; of scroll-down and scroll-up have slightly different behavior when the
;;;; minibuffer window is the selected window.  See the feature list above.)
;;;;
;;;; NOTE that this package redefines the standard GNU Emacs commands scroll-
;;;; down, scroll-up, and scroll-other-window (in order to check the variable
;;;; scroll-in-place, as described above).
;;;;
;;;; This package also provides the following functions and variables which are
;;;; of use to programmers:
;;;;
;;;;   scroll-window
;;;;   scroll-window-in-place
;;;;   scroll-window-in-place-continue-sequence
;;;;   scroll-default-lines (variable)
;;;;   scroll-command-groups (variable)
;;;;
;;;; scroll-window-in-place is the heart of the "in place" scrolling commands.
;;;; scroll-window is a function that checks the variable scroll-in-place and
;;;; calls the appropriate scrolling function (either scroll-window-in-place or
;;;; one of the original versions of scroll-down and scroll-up).  The function
;;;; scroll-window-in-place-continue-sequence is provided in order to preserve
;;;; running "chains" of scrolling commands as described above.
;;;;
;;;; The variable scroll-default-lines determines the default scrolling
;;;; distance when a new chain of "in place" scrolling commands begins.  If
;;;; this variable is not a number, then the default distance is the height of
;;;; the window to be scrolled minus next-screen-context-lines.  The variable
;;;; scroll-command-groups contains the explicit groups of "in place" scrolling
;;;; commands; for more information read the variable documentation.

;;;; YOUR .EMACS FILE
;;;;
;;;; To use this package, you simply need to load it from within your ".emacs"
;;;; file:
;;;;
;;;;   (require 'scroll-in-place)
;;;;
;;;; By default, this package provides for the standard GNU Emacs vertical
;;;; scrolling commands (scroll-down, scroll-up, and scroll-other-window) to
;;;; use the "in place" features.  If you would rather not have this, set the
;;;; variable scroll-in-place to nil:
;;;;
;;;;   (setq scroll-in-place nil)
;;;;
;;;; When scroll-in-place is nil, you will have to bind keys in order to call
;;;; the "in place" scrolling commands.  For example, you might want to do the
;;;; following:
;;;;
;;;;   (global-set-key "\M-v" 'scroll-down-in-place)
;;;;   (global-set-key "\C-v" 'scroll-up-in-place)
;;;;
;;;; Sun users should also read the PROBLEMS section, below.
;;;;
;;;; ADVANCED CUSTOMIZATION
;;;;
;;;; If you want to partition certain "in place" scrolling commands into
;;;; separate groups, you should do something like the following:
;;;;
;;;;   ;; Make one group containing the commands scroll-down-one-line and
;;;;   ;; scroll-up-one-line.  (These are not standard GNU Emacs commands.)
;;;;   (setq scroll-command-groups
;;;;         (list '(scroll-down-one-line scroll-up-one-line)))
;;;;
;;;; You could write the scroll-down-one-line command like this:
;;;;
;;;;   (defun scroll-down-one-line (arg)
;;;;     "Scroll down one line, or number of lines specified by prefix arg."
;;;;     (interactive "P")
;;;;     (let ((scroll-default-lines 1))
;;;;       (scroll-down-in-place arg)))
;;;;
;;;; If you want to disable "in place" scrolling for windows that display a
;;;; particular buffer (while leaving it available in other windows), you can
;;;; make scroll-in-place a buffer-local variable for that buffer and then bind
;;;; that local copy of scroll-in-place to nil.  This is the kind of thing that
;;;; one generally does in a major mode hook.  For example, you can disable "in
;;;; place" scrolling of GNUS article windows with the following code:
;;;;
;;;;   (setq gnus-Article-mode-hook
;;;;         (function (lambda ()
;;;;                     (make-local-variable 'scroll-in-place)
;;;;                     (setq scroll-in-place nil))))
;;;;
;;;; The variable scroll-allow-blank-lines-past-eob can also be made local to
;;;; particular buffers, if you desire.  (But why would you want to do that?)


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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> do you know why
> I don't trust XEmacs folks?  I don't know when they are honest and when
> they are dishonest.  I don't know when what they say is propaganda for the
> masses (e.g., marketing) or developer-to-developer "internal information".

You know why I don't trust Erik Naggum?  I don't know when what he
says is honest and when he is dishonest.  I don't know when what he
says is propaganda for the masses (e.g., marketing)...

-J

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Good idea to have a benchmark for some often used functions!

Here are my results (XEmacs 19.14, DEC ALPHA OSF3.2 100MHz)

Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           13.105408000  13.105408000
bench-mark-2   1           12.853600000  12.853600000
bench-mark-3   1           149.452864    149.452864
bench-mark-4   1           1.0448959999  1.0448959999
bench-mark-6   1           12.943392000  12.943392000

There are two points that caught my eye:

1) my display seems faster, even though the CPU intensive stuff looks
pretty similar (comp. benchmarks 1,3 with 2)

2) I have absolutely no idea what your machine did while byte-compiling.
Is your HD a lame duck, or what?

Maybe it would help to collect more results to find some systematics...

HTH,
Thomas

Shane Holder wrote:
> I've gone back to using emacs 19.34, just because things are so slow
> in xemacs no flames intended.  I've included times from a benchmark
> package I'm working on.  It's very simple, and included at the bottom,
> I'd be interested in any comments/flames.  I should do more
> iterations, but I just haven't gotten that far yet.
> 
> Emacs 19.34
> Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
> =============  ==========  ============  ============
> bench-mark-1   1           3.2771169999  3.2771169999 <- (hanoi 4)
> bench-mark-2   1           12.216554999  12.216554999 <- (fontify buffer)
> bench-mark-3   1           175.92057400  175.92057400 <- (next-line)
> bench-mark-4   1           1.1632810000  1.1632810000 <- (make-frame)
> bench-mark-6   1           106.80745799  106.80745799 <- (byte-compile)
> 
> XEmacs 19.15
> Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
> =============  ==========  ============  ============
> bench-mark-1   1           30.190243000  30.190243000
> bench-mark-2   1           18.474271999  18.474271999
> bench-mark-3   1           352.46530100  352.46530100
> bench-mark-4   1           0.4475679999  0.4475679999
> bench-mark-6   1           170.57167900  170.57167900
-- 
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>>>>> Michael Tabat <mtabat@ti.com> (MT) writes:

MT> I'm using Xemacs 19.14 on an HP with HPVUE 9.05.  I have version 3.1
MT> of ispell and want to use it to check spelling in emacs buffers.  I've
MT> tried just about everything including putting the autoload commands in
MT> my .emacs (they are listed in the emacs FAQ).  However, every time I
MT> run the ispell-buffer command, I get the following message in the mini
MT> buffer:

MT> 	Symbol's value as variable is void: @

Check if you have a file "ispell" in the current directory, or maybe
anywhere in your emacs loadpath.

Emacs has the nasty habit of not only looking for xxxx.el and xxxx.elc but
also for xxxx if you load xxxx.
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Just one simple question from a happy XEmacs user:
what is the meaning of the followin lines ?

;;;; LCD Archive Entry:
;;;; scroll-in-place|Eric Eide|eeide@cs.utah.edu|
;;;; Improved vertical scrolling commands|
;;;; 29-Dec-1993|1.1|~/misc/scroll-in-place.el.Z|

They seem to be a way to archive packages, download latest 
release, have an address to submit bugs, etc...
Which packages should I have to use these lines ?

I suppose the answer lies under my eyes, as always do ;)

 Stefano

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Does xemacs support importing graphics?

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    David> I think you will find this problem has already
    David> been solved by Eric Eide's really *excellent*
    David> scroll-in-place package. See the header below.

If we were taking a vote (which, I guess, we're not) I
would vote for scroll-in-place to be *on* by default.  It
makes much more sense than the default behavior IMHO.

-Pez

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This is an addition to my previous post on a short, simple scroll
function:

I should have mentioned the existence of the great (and big) package
scroll-in-place, which belongs ot the standard distribution but is 
certainly not well-known, especially by the beginners (to whose group
I still belong).
>From the few, generally friendly answers I got after my post, it 
seems clear that people would like scroll-in-place to be the default 
scrolling method in (X)emacs.

The experts may tell us whether this is a good idea or not.

Greetings

Remo Badii
Nonlinear dynamics and 
stochastic processes

Paul Scherrer Institute
5232 Villigen
Switzerland

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tim.sullivan@dseg.ti.com writes:
 > Does xemacs support importing graphics?

short-answer:
	(make-annotation "path/to/file.gif" nil 'text)


long-answer (in the info viewer):

* Lispref::	XEmacs Lisp technical reference.
		This manual is for XEmacs 19.14.

  * Glyphs::	   General interface to pixmaps displayed in a
		   buffer or frame.

  * Annotations::  Higher-level interface to glyphs in a buffer.

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Hello,

I would like to add calc-202 (GNU product) in the emacs tools.
But there is an error when compiling the manual for TEX (call texinfo)
and the manual for emacs (makeinfo).

Did anybody succeed in installing calc-202e ??

Thanks for answers !

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Tim <tim.sullivan@dseg.ti.com> writes:

> Does xemacs support importing graphics?

It has Lisp support for including graphics in buffers in various ways
(annotations, line glyphs...).

Saving such a buffer is not quite possible: after all, xemacs is an
editor, not a word processor, so what should it do with the graphics
when saving?

A good demonstration of what XEmacs can do with graphics would be the
WWW-browser w3.

What would be possible as well, in theory, would be getting
XEmacs/AucTeX to pick selected parts of a LaTeX input, run them
through LaTeX/dvips/ghostscript/pnmscale (for antialiasing!) and
annotate the appropriate formulae/table with the resulting graphics.
This would help a lot in editing math papers, I believe, but nobody
has implemented it yet.

But XEmacs would have the principal power for it vailable to the Lisp
programmer.


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From: Scott Smyth <smyth@phish.eas.gatech.edu>
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Subject: Xemacs installation problems on Sparc/Linux with Xaw lib
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:51:33 -0500
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I want to install xemacs on the Sparc/Linux machine, and
it all goes ok in configuration and installation until
the compilation crashes because of unresolved commands to
the Xaw lib.

I have RedHat 4.0 with libXaw.so.6.1.  Do I need a different Xaw lib?
Or does anyone know why it might be doing this?

Thanks,
Scott

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>>>>> "aaron" == aaron  <aaron@bootes.xdb.com> writes:

    aaron> i have in my .emacs file: (setq-default c-basic-offset 4)

    aaron> and that worked for c mode, but has no effect in java mode.

    aaron> what do i do to change the indent level of java mode?

Change the setq-default to a setq, and put it in a hook, e.g.:

(defun my-c-mode-common-hook ()
  (setq c-basic-offset 4))
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook 'my-c-mode-common-hook)

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On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Scott Smyth wrote:

> I want to install xemacs on the Sparc/Linux machine, and
> it all goes ok in configuration and installation until
> the compilation crashes because of unresolved commands to
> the Xaw lib.

You didn't bump into a gmalloc problem (specifically, __sbrk)?  

> 
> I have RedHat 4.0 with libXaw.so.6.1.  Do I need a different Xaw lib?
> Or does anyone know why it might be doing this?

No, your libraries are just fine...  For some reason, the ./configure
doesn't include -lXmu or -lXt in a few of your makefiles.  I had this very
same problem while compiling today.

The simple fix is to go into the two makefiles, and add in the correct
linker flag.  ie, one complains about Xaw (I think it was Xmu on mine),
and the other complains about Xt.  Just add -lXaw and -lXt where
appropriate.

> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 

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Subject: Re: Problems with SPARCworks debbugger
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>> "dsumpter" == dsumpter  <dsumpter@am.ma.umist.ac.uk> writes:

 dsumpter> I'm trying to use the SPARCworks (XEmacs v19.14) debugger (dbx)
 dsumpter> to debug some Objective C code. The debugger will run the program
 dsumpter> but when I select a source file to add breaks to Emacs complains
 dsumpter> that it can't find the object file associated with that source
 dsumpter> file. I have used the -g option when compiling with gcc
 dsumpter> 2.7.2. Any ideas whats wrong?

Try adding this to your .dbxrc file:

dbxenv output_short_file_name off

-- 
    --- John.

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>>In article <3056726060872465@naggum.no>, Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

 EN> * Holger Schauer | Emacs (in it's current state) doesn't offer
 EN> you the possibilities I like | (!) to have in XEmacs (and please,
 EN> Erik don't answer: do it for Emacs | again - I have to get MY
 EN> work done, not yours. That's why I use XEmacs, | not Gnu Emacs).

 EN> "MY work" vs "your work"?

 EN> Emacs and free software in general were supposed to help people
 EN> work in a community, where each programmer could create software
 EN> for himself as well as others who would like to use it, and they
 EN> should not have to do the same work all over again.  when you try
 EN> to make this "my work" vs "your work", you have pin-pointed the
 EN> problem that I suggest in the XEmacs camp: that of conflict,
 EN> competition, reinvention, and reimplementation, the very
 EN> antitheses of free software and cooperation to solve common
 EN> problems.

Sorry, Erik, but you got me completely wrong. It is much more simple
than what you say: I don't want a competetion - I just wanted to point
out that I have to do my work and you have to do yours (and maybe we
can help making other people work and ourselves' a bit easier.) If you
want to say that I belong to the marketing people this is nonsense.
After all we get paid to do our work which is unrelated to who uses that
stuff. 

 EN> it is not a sign of professionalism to blame one's tools, but it
 EN> is even worse not to know them to the degree where they can be
 EN> used appropriately.  if you want quality in your work, you learn
 EN> to use your tools well.  there simply is no other way.

Agreed. But if I can do my job (in XEmacs) with the help of the GUI
fine and don't need to learn every command of e.g. Gnus by heart but
can do the stuff with point-and-click, why the hack shouldn't I use it
(as you seem to say).

 EN> results.  now, it should be reasonably comfortable, but you can't
 EN> make an omelet without breaking eggs, and you can't produce sleek
 EN> cars in open fields, surrounded by dancing young girls and a
 EN> lovely little brook -- you need a dirty, noisy, dangerous and
 EN> restricted environment that is conducive to efficiently producing
 EN> cars that are clean, silent, and safe, suitable to the kind of
 EN> marketing that includes open fields, dancing young girls and a
 EN> lovely little brook.  it shouldn't be needlessly had, but if you
 EN> believe the marketing that is aimed at consumers, and you're a
 EN> producer (of anything), you have been _duped_, big time.

Come on, Erik. In XEmacs you can tell the young girls to go away but
in Emacs you won't see a trace of them. This is the difference in my
view. You seem to say that one *must* learn anything about a tool if
he wants use it professionally, and that this learning should be prior
to using the tool, right ? I (and many others I think) believe that
this is wrong: I prefer a lower learning curve which allows me to
start using simple things and learning the deep complexities when I
have to. This certainly does not imply that I prefer people driving
cars without a licence :-), learning is necessary but I can drive my
car without knowing (in the details) how the car works.

[bashing of marketing deleted]

 EN> | So, Erik and any other visual-people-haters: if you don't like
 EN> pictures, | colors, anything else which people like to use to get
 EN> THEIR work done, | don't use them.  But stop hindering people
 EN> from using them (not to | mention insulting).

 EN> do I hate "visual people"?  no, I don't.  I hate the obnoxious
 EN> marketing campaigns and the idiots who claim that _only_ "visual
 EN> people" should be allowed to use modern computers.  don't you
 EN> even see the difference?

Erik: please delete the "and" between "Erik" and
"visual-people-haters" and insert an "or", alright ? And I *never*
said that _only_ visual people should use modern computers or just
point-and-click interfaces are allowed. Instead I said that
point-and-click helps at first for many and should therefore IMHO some
kind of default which can/should/must be adopted by the individual
user. 

 EN> and just how have I been hindering any people in doing anything?
 EN> this is the kind of pungent bovine manure you get from _idiots_
 EN> who don't even try to read what they're commenting on.

Alright, you don't hinder any people from anything - but you created
the impression that you believe that every GUI user is some kind of
idiot and that you believe that Emacs should never-ever be adapted to
support these poor souls. And this is what I _wanted_ to express and
which I probably did not state clearly enough. And one point left:
why do you react that harsh on an otherwise modest posting ? This is
not necessary, is it ? Put down the flame-thrower and perhaps we will
all get something valuable out of this lengthy discussion.

Holger

-- 
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From: ek1@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (Eeri Kask)
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In article <ropzq0nixyo.fsf@faui70c.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>,
	Martin Steffen <mnsteffe@faui70c.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> writes:

> I got a problem with xemacs-19.14 on Solaris.2.5. Upon configuration and
> typing make, it seemingly compiles fine until the very end and when it
> comes to dumping the result, it sais:

 [....]

> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): 
> 	ld.so.1: ./temacs: 
> 	fatal: relocation error: 
> 	symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> make[1]: *** [xemacs] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory 
> 	`/net/xxxxxx/local/quellen/xemacs-19.14/src'

Under Solaris 2.4 (Generic_101945-10) and sun4m I get:

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    relocation error: value 0x209830 overflows 13 bits at 0xef2c10a4:
    referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so

Does there exist any fix?


	Eeri Kask
--
(eeri @ freia . inf . tu-dresden . de)

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From: hoehle@zeus.gmd.de (Joerg Hoehle)
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Hi,

where can I found background information about porting XEmacs to
another (not UNIX, non X) platform?  Back in Lucid-Emacs-19.4 days, I
can remember Jamie saying that XEmacs is more portable than FSF-Emacs
(cleaner input model, etc.), now I want to verify that :-)

I've seen the Win-Emacs port as an example of another system, but this
port uses some kind of X112MS-Win library.  Is writing an X112xyz
library the recommended way to get XEmacs ported to another computer
system?

I read in the FAQ that X11 is not needed for XEmacs, that it can work
in a terminal.  But what if the target OS has some native windowing
facility?

Also, what's the underlying memory model of XEmacs, how many tag bits
does its Lisp need?

Thanks for any information,
	Jrg Hhle.
Joerg.Hoehle@gmd.de

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Donald Hunter wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I agree that over use of colours becomes detrimental.  There
> is good research evidence to support this theory.  I think
> that the modeline in XEmacs 19.14 is an example of over use
> of colour.
> 

I use lots of colors in XEmacs.  Mostly because I like it.  Reminds me
of Christmas lights *<:)

What I have found usefull is making a table of all (most) Xt and Xm
functions and constants. (Very big table)  I have XEmacs highlight those
words in a special color.  As I program, I often just guess at the name
of a function and if it turns the right color, I probably got it right. 
Saves me lots of time looking on docs or manpages.

I can quickly find sections of code based on color.  I use the smallest
font I can read so I can get as much on the screen at once.  Colors make
it easier to read (actually not read things that are the wrong color).  

I have found this to be a personal preference.  Many people who sit in
front of my machine find that they get eye strain or headaches very
quickly.  I find that I get eye strain on BW (two color) displays.

Wayne
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>>>>> "Karsten" == Karsten Ballueder <karsten@pimiraculix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:
 ...
Karsten> What keeps annoying me as a user, are the incompatibilities
Karsten> between the two emacsen.
 ...
Karsten> Why don't you just spend the time on useful things?

I agree.  On the other hand, in between the vitriol, Erik made some
valid points so it wasn't a total waste.

Karsten> If you need ideas what do to with your spare time, here is my
Karsten> wishlist:

Karsten> - make emacs/xemacs more compatible

Work towards this goal has been done in the past, and will continue to
be done in the future.  Understand that neither emacs has been very
static and moving targets are difficult to keep coordinated.  A real
problem here is the the C code (the part that implements the lisp
primitives) is quite different now between the emacsen.  We may
already be past the point of no return as far as divergence goes.  I
welcome any and all input to prove me wrong on that last point.

The Lisp code is a different story.  Although there does not exist a 1
to 1 mapping between emacsen, there are an increasing number of
packages in XEmacs which do not contain changes against the maintainer's
version.

Karsten> - make emacs/xemacs multithreaded (why can't I read mail,
Karsten>   while gnus looks for my news)

(This is going to have to be added to the FAQ).  I'd like to see this
too, but I don't expect it any time soon.  The problems associated
with implementing it are not unique to either emacs.  Quoting Erik
Naggum: (the whole article is worth taking the time to look up)

Subject:      Re: Why isn't emacs multitasking?
From:         Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>
Date:         1996/09/24
Message-Id:   <3052595613607494@naggum.no>
Newsgroups:   gnu.emacs.help

  ...
  As Emacs is being used for more and more tasks, this is indeed
  becoming more necessary.  However, the display-input-execute loop in
  Emacs needs to handle all interaction with the user if Emacs is not
  to be multi-threaded, and this is hard, if not harder than to make
  Emacs multi-threaded, which does have a number of interesting
  challenges associated with it, to put it mildly.  In particular, a
  multi-threaded Emacs would _probably_ have to be cooperative rather
  than pre-emptive because of the memory management that would
  otherwise require protection of critical sections of the code.
  ...

Karsten> - make xemacs faster (it is _so_ slow! maybe I should look at
Karsten>   GNU/emacs? :-)

That's being seriously looked at.  19.15 won't have an official
release until it's resolved.

 ...

Karsten> Thanks to both camps anyway for the best editor(s) I know!

Martin has already made a request for peace, and I do so as well.  If
there is an enemy it certainly isn't Emacs or XEmacs (pick one), it is
Microsoft Word. ;-)
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>>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:

Ray> I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get
Ray> Xemacs to follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo
Ray> system that you could select a path in text to a file, to open
Ray> that file. It was really handy when reading thru doc's and just
Ray> writing code, to be able to check a file.  I hope I have made
Ray> myself clear here, if not email me.

Nope.  I have a vague idea what you mean, but my exposure to Apollo's
was brief (only a few months) and long ago (about 9 years).  Feel free
to elaborate.
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In article <m29184t4ox.fsf_-_@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> >>>>> "Karsten" == Karsten Ballueder <karsten@pimiraculix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:
> Karsten> - make emacs/xemacs multithreaded (why can't I read mail,
> Karsten>   while gnus looks for my news)
> 
> (This is going to have to be added to the FAQ).  I'd like to see this
> too, but I don't expect it any time soon. (...)

  I believe a lot of people would be more than happy just to be able
to do something while Gnus is starting up. Could the news perhaps be
fetched by a separate process? After all, you can say M-x compile and
not have to wait for the compilation to finish.

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Laurent Kieffer <kieffer@ensic.u-nancy.fr> writes:

> I would like to add calc-202 (GNU product) in the emacs tools.
> But there is an error when compiling the manual for TEX (call texinfo)
> and the manual for emacs (makeinfo).
> 
> Did anybody succeed in installing calc-202e ??
> 
> Thanks for answers !

Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,
like:

H S
(for hyperbolic sine).

Unfortunately, it shares this sickness with newer GNU Emacs versions.
The latest changes in 2.02e did nothing to help this: it was mostly
some addresses, copyrights, names and comments that were changed.

Anybody want to look into it?  I already tried telling Dave Gillespie,
the original author, but no reply...  I'm afraid the input code is too
obfuscated to really make sense to me...


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Steven L.B.>
 > >>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:
 > 
 > Ray> [...] can you get Xemacs to follow a selected path[?] I used to
 > Ray> use an old Apollo system that you could select a path in text
 > Ray> to a file, to open that file. [...]
 > 
 > Nope.  I have a vague idea what you mean, but my exposure to
 > Apollo's was brief (only a few months) and long ago (about 9
 > years).  Feel free to elaborate.

if Ray means: "select a pathname embedded in text, then open the file
pointed by the pathname", a similar capability was apparently there

it worked like this: when you 1st asked for a file (C-x C-f), then
moving the mouse cursor over something resembling a (remote?) filename
hilited the pathname, and clicking button2 opened the file

but it never worked very well... i wonder if it was excised from
XEmacs 19.14, as it isn't here anymore, and i can find nothing in my
.emacs that denies such behavior, or maybe it is that i load efs in
place of ange-ftp...

any enlightment will be appreciated, tia

                                                                gb









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In article <3056657599662413@naggum.no>, Erik Naggum  <nobody@naggum.no> wrote:
> ChangeLogs in the 19.14 distribution.  (and whoever decided to abuse the
> -p convention for a _variable_?)

Quite a lot of people, it would appear.

violet:/usr/local/gnu/lib/emacs/19.28/lisp 08:41:51 (751)
$ egrep -l '\((defvar|setq) [a-z][^ ]*-p ' *.el
cc-mode.el
cl-extra.el
cl-seq.el
completion.el
cust-print.el
dired-x.el
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ian

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From: Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com>
To: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
Cc: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
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Steven L. Baur writes:
 > >>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:
 > 
 > Ray> I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get
 > Ray> Xemacs to follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo
 > Ray> system that you could select a path in text to a file, to open
 > Ray> that file. It was really handy when reading thru doc's and just
 > Ray> writing code, to be able to check a file.  I hope I have made
 > Ray> myself clear here, if not email me.
 > 
 > Nope.  I have a vague idea what you mean, but my exposure to Apollo's
 > was brief (only a few months) and long ago (about 9 years).  Feel free
 > to elaborate.

Hmmm - what *I* would find useful is the ability to highlight a file
name contained within a text file and then hit a "button" to open up a
window/screen containing the file.  Presumably if no path is contained
within the highlighted area it should be assumed to be that of the
document being read.  Sort of an automatic hot-link really...for all I
know this may exist already!

However, it's not too much trouble to do this using gnudoit via an
xterm...at present I highlight the file, find an xterm and then issue
"xemacs <filename>".  I have a shell script published on this group
some time ago which will then use gnudoit to open the window if the
server has been started.

Of course, Ray may have meant something completely different...

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>>In article <3056783968196749@naggum.no>, Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

 EN> * David Kastrup | When did you receive the right to speak for
 EN> all?

 EN> *sigh*.  I have not spoken for anybody else.  pay attention,
 EN> dammit!  I'm objecting to be told what I should prefer, when I
 EN> don't.  there's a sizable minority who do not prefer the "modern"

You only spoke for yourself and state that any individual should
prefer (and be able to do so) what-ever he likes and that you (IYHO)
don't like GUIs (and don't want anybody to force you to use one). This
is fine and I agree with you (although I do use GUIs - i.e. X). But
the important point is that you don't say (or at least you just said
it implicitly) "Okay, go ahead, build your GUI but leave me with my
idea of environment" Instead you explain why *YOU* don't like GUIs and
Steve Jones tries to explain why many users prefer GUIs. I can't find
that he wants you to use a GUI.

Holger
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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Subject: Re: Garbage collection, XEmacs 19.14 and linux
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:17:09 -0800
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Yes, there is a variable that controls garbage collection:

C-h v gc-cons-threshold

gc-cons-threshold's value is 1048576
  -- a built-in integer variable.

Documentation:
*Number of bytes of consing between garbage collections.
"Consing" is a misnomer in that this actually counts allocation
of all different kinds of objects, not just conses.
Garbage collection can happen automatically once this many bytes have
been
allocated since the last garbage collection.  All data types count.

Garbage collection happens automatically when `eval' or `funcall' are
called.  (Note that `funcall' is called implicitly as part of
evaluation.)
By binding this temporarily to a large number, you can effectively
prevent garbage collection during a part of the program.

See also `consing-since-gc'.


Thats what I set it to in my .emacs:

;;; ********************
;;;; switch off garbage collection during load
(setq gc-cons-threshold (* 1024 1024))

Maybe we should put something like this in the FAQ, since it _really_
helps reducing the slowdown due to gc - but for the price of memory
pileup...

HTH,
Thomas
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David Kastrup writes:
 > Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,
 > like:
 > 
 > H S
 > (for hyperbolic sine).

some prefix keys work, others don't; the H prefix almost... i found
that, e.g., HSS gives you the hyperbolic sine (and HCC the cosine,
etc), but it is not like this that it should work

a chronic problem with lucid emacs, ooops XEmacs , was and still
remains the sleek help system that Dave Gillespie devised --- it never
worked

some time ago i had emacs 18.59 lying around in my disk space, just to
run calc (the finest) as it deserves --- has anyone a 18.59 binary kit
for an hp? i remember that building 18s was not that simple...

ciao
                                                                gb

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Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:

>I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get Xemacs to
>follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo system that you could
>select a path in text to a file, to open that file. It was really handy
>when reading thru doc's and just writing code, to be able to check a file. 
>I hope I have made myself clear here, if not email me.

I am not sure that I completely understand what you want, but it
sounds very like you want Michelangelo Grigni's find-file-at-point
stuff.  It is (allegedly) at
<ftp://ftp.mathcs.emory.edu:/pub/mic/emacs/> (ffap.el etc)

It is nice and easy to set up and (in my experience at least) works
well.

I hope this is what you are after, if it isn't I can't help further.

Pete


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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> wrote:
[...]
>I want the _choice_ of a non-mouse-infested environment, I want the
>_choice_ of a command line, I want the _choice_ of a high-contrast screen
>like a black-and-white screen.  _YOU_ want to deprive me of those choices.
>_YOU_ want to take away what makes _me_ productive, and you think you have
>the right to do it, don't you?  who do you think is waging a war?  YOU are,
>against the productivity of people who don't agree with you.
[...]

I don't think anyone in this thread has been advocating _forcing_
people to use colours and/or GUIs, they want choice, just like you.

Unfortunately you, and some, at least, of the GNU Emacs developers
seem to want Emacs to offer only the choices they agree with.

Example 1: Every other X program I use allows me to change the look of
scrollbars (if it has them). Emacs does not, no amount of fiddling
with Xresources or widget libraries will change it, it's been fixed.
This allows the developers the choice of using a flat black-and-white
scrollbar which will look fine on your black and white screen. 
It also denies other users the _choice_ of a colour 3D-look scrollbar
to match their other programs. Providing this _choice_ would _not_
deny you the choice of a flat black-and-white scrollbar.

Example 2: Face support on terminals - something I've been looking for
since it was done for X. About 19.25 I found it, someone had written
it and shared it in the spirit of the GPL. It was never accepted by
the Emacs developers, presumably it didn't fit the grand design, Emacs
developers were upset at the prospect of faces/colours on terminals
and so the rest of us were denied the choice.


I do not wish to deny you the choice of a black-and-white screen etc.,
but adding a choice of colours does not restrict your choice of black
and white, insisting that black and white should be the only choice,
because that is all you have, does restrict others who want to use
colour (for whatever reason - people are different).

All this is need not be a problem, as explained in the GNU Manifesto:

  ...a user who needs changes in the system will always be free to
  make them himself, or hire any available programmer or company to
  make them for him.  Users will no longer be at the mercy of one
  programmer or company which owns the sources and is in sole position
  to make changes.

Under the GPL they can, and indeed should, pass on those changes to
others that they might benefit from them. So are new versions born, to
be different things to different users with different requirments.


Yet, when this happens to GNU / FSF software the authors start yelling
that competition is bad and forked versions are evil etc. etc. 
Apparently users who make modifications are supposed to argue with the
"developers" until they either convince them that the modifcations are
"the right thing" for the "one true version", or get bored and go and
do something productive. At no stage should unofficial versions be
released to offer users the _choice_ of using them.


You say elsewhere in the thread:

  XEmacs continues to draw away programmers from the Emacs community
  who _could_ have implemented this in Emacs.  "we have XEmacs, so why
  bother"

Emacs could use the XEmacs code, just as other GNU projects use code
from elsewhere - it is GPL, and that is what the GPL is for after all.
If the code/features/ideas don't fit the Emacs grand design then they
would have been rejected anyway - at least they can be used in XEmacs.

I am considering installing XEmacs, partly because of it's improved
tty support. I am not going to work on implementing this in Emacs, not
because "I have XEmacs so why bother", but because it WAS impemented
(at least in part) for Emacs and WAS REJECTED.

ray

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          seven and a half million years' work?" 

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From: "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com>
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Subject: The infamous VM crashes XEmacs bug


 I've discovered something...  VM never crashes if I'm using FVWM2
configured with randomplacement, so it maps new windows right away
without me having to hand place them.  It bombs whenever a WM is
configured for user placement.  ???

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Hallo,

I tried to use OO-Browser -> Class -> Graphical-View from the menu.
It failed with the following message:
Searching for program: No such file or directory, xoobr
I suppose, that xoobr is an X-application invoked by my command,
but is not available on my system?
Unfortunately I could not find any software like 'oobr' or 'xoobr'
on the net.
Could someone please give me a hint, where to find it or how to
invoke it correctly?

Many thanks

Harald


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From: anarayan@vrunda.india.hp.com (A.Narayan)
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Subject: Displaying JPEG images
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Hi,

I'm using XEMACS version 19.14 on HP-UX 10.10 Whenever I go to a web site with
JPEG images, the Emacs-W3 browser doesn't display them. Instead it displays
something like

[[IMAGE(cover1.jpg)] ]			    

[[IMAGE(cover2.jpg)] ]			    

[[IMAGE(savvy.jpg)] ]			    

[[IMAGE(shcover.jpg)] ]

But it displays gif images properly.

As far as I can understand, the XEMACS manual says that it has features
inbuilt to display JPEG images.

I'm not able to figure out why it can't display JPEG images. Do I have to
download some utilities that can convert JPEG images to something that
XEMACS can display.

Any help would be appreciated.

Narayan <anarayan@india.hp.com>

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From: DHunter@atl.co.uk (Donald Hunter)
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Subject: Re: Displaying JPEG images

XEmacs can decode jpeg images internally if it was built with =
the option switched on.  You need to link XEmacs with a jpeg
library for this to work.

>From the XEmacs 'INSTALL' instructions:

The `--with-jpeg' option specifies that XEmacs should support JPEG
image conversion.  This option requires libjpeg from the Independent
JPEG Group which is available on the XEmacs ftp site.  `configure'
will attempt to detect if you have libjpeg and define `--with-jpeg'
for you.

Hope this helps,

Donald.

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>>>>> "Joerg" == Joerg Hoehle <hoehle@zeus.gmd.de> writes:

Joerg> Hi,

Joerg> where can I found background information about porting XEmacs
Joerg> to another (not UNIX, non X) platform?  Back in
Joerg> Lucid-Emacs-19.4 days, I can remember Jamie saying that XEmacs
Joerg> is more portable than FSF-Emacs (cleaner input model, etc.),
Joerg> now I want to verify that :-)

O.K.  The best information is the XEmacs internals manual in the 19.14
distribution.  You can view this information on line in Info mode.

Joerg> I've seen the Win-Emacs port as an example of another system,
Joerg> but this port uses some kind of X112MS-Win library.  Is writing
Joerg> an X112xyz library the recommended way to get XEmacs ported to
Joerg> another computer system?

Joerg> I read in the FAQ that X11 is not needed for XEmacs, that it
Joerg> can work in a terminal.  But what if the target OS has some
Joerg> native windowing facility?

You'll need to make changes to call something other than X11 for
graphics.

Joerg> Also, what's the underlying memory model of XEmacs, how many
Joerg> tag bits does its Lisp need?

It's the same as Emacs.  On a 32 bit machine, 28 bits are used for
value and 4 bits are used for the tag.

I encourage you to get on the xemacs-beta development list.  Send an
email message to xemacs-beta-request@xemacs.org with a subject of
subscribe and follow the directions you get back.

We're currently reorganizing how this works with the express purpose
of opening the development process up to a wider audience.  See the
FAQ parts 6 and 1 for some details on what is happening right now.
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From: Steven Esau <stevene@asymetrix.com>
Subject: Confession At Gun-Point By Steven Esau

Mark J. Christie's mother visited me last night. Suddenly, she whipped out a
gun and shoved it right into my mouth! She said: "Asshole, I don't like
lawyers! They can't be trusted and you sure have no shit conscience lying
and hurting an innocent young man. Do you remember Jeffrey Tay from
Singapore? (Steven pretends he does not know and Mark J. Christie's mother
thrusted the gun deeper down his throat!) As always, the coward finally
confessed (after wetting his pants!). This is Steven Esau's confession:

1. I did send Jeffrey Tay a letter authorizing him to distribute KaiZenWare.

2. I did not announce it to anyone. The idea is to make sure that only
Jeffrey Tay knows of the existence of the letter and nobody else needs to know. 

3. When those folks at the ToolBook mailing list was discussing about
KaiZenWare and about creating authoring tools using Asymetrix ToolBook, I
simply kept quiet. Everyone had the impression that KaiZenWare was illegal.
I didn't tell them that I have sent Jeffrey Tay a letter to authorize him to
distribute KaiZenWare because I don't want anyone to know that KaiZenWare is
an exception.

4. When he found out and joined the ToolBook mailing list, I simply refused
to answer. Everyone on the ToolBook mailing list still thinks that
KaiZenWare is illegal because we will never admit that we sent Jeffrey Tay a
letter to authorize him to distribute KaiZenWare.

Mark J. Christie's mother will be staying with me for the next few days. She
said she does not trust lawyers and will hold me hostage to punish me. She
specifically forbid me to change my pants because she wants that "thing" to
rot and itch.

Mark J. Christie's mother revealed that she spoke to Jeffrey Tay over the
phone. She managed to persuade Jeffrey Tay to let everyone on earth use his
software for FREE. Of course, voluntary donations will be appreciated. For
those who want Jeffrey Tay to create a version of KaiZenWare to run on
ToolBook 3, 4 or ToolBook II runtime, please send him a copy of your
software and he will upgrade KaiZenWare for you for FREE. Please contact him
in advance before you send your software to him. 

To find out more about KaiZenWare, use Excite and HotBot and use
"kaizenware" as the keyword to search the database.

Thank you.
P.S. I am starting to itch in the you know where. Funny, my tongue kept
snaking around the barrel of the gun; I think I am beginning to enjoy it!
(the gun is still inside his mouth).


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From: Mark Christie <mapsing@pacific.net.sg>
Subject: Confession At Gun-Point By Mark J. Christie

Mother! Please don't shoot! I'll confess! I'll confess! (Mark J. Christie's
mother is pointing a gun at his head and threatening to blow off his brain
if he does not come clean). Please forgive me Steven Esau (Steven is the
general counsel of Asymetrix Corporation, USA <stevene@asymetrix.com>), my
mom will be visiting you later. This is what happened and I emphasize this
is the absolute truth.

***The Objective - Get Jeffrey Tay's software called KaiZenWare
Jeffrey Tay created a multimedia authoring tool called KaiZenWare in 1993.
However, he has not released it for a variety of reasons. This year (1996)
we came to know about it and wanted to get hold of KaiZenWare but we did not
succeed. He found a company interested in marketing his software but we
sabotaged him by telling that company that KaiZenWare violates Asymetrix's
copyright without even seeing KaiZenWare (remember he refused to let go of
his software). Details of this can be found at:
http://www.ets.bris.ac.uk/comments/21612.htm.

The question is: How to get hold of Jeffrey's Tay software called
KaiZenWare? We hatched out a plot to lure him to release his software called
KaiZenWare. This is how the plot works:

Stage 1 we gave him a letter from Steven Esau, general counsel of
Asymetrix Corporation, USA <stevene@asymetrix.com> which authorized him
to distribute his software called KaiZenWare.

Stage 2 we waited for him to fall for our trap. He started marketing his
software called KaiZenWare on the Internet in Aug 1996 and we proceeded
to download a copy for our own reference so that we can copy his ideas.

Stage 3 whenever someone enquired about KaiZenWare we will tell them that
it is illegal (members of the ToolBook mailing list have been told in Aug
1996 that it is illegal) and we refuse to acknowledge the fact that
KaiZenWare is an exception and that Steven Esau has indeed sent Jeffrey
Tay a letter to authorize the distribution of KaiZenWare.

Stage 4 we keep totally quiet about this dual-reality. Jeffrey Tay is the
only one who knows of the letter from Steven Esau. Jeffrey Tay does not
know that members of the ToolBook mailing list thinks it is illegal.
Jeffrey Tay does not know that we spread words that it is illegal.

Stage 5 we will carry on this charade and will ensure that nobody buys
KaiZenWare because they think it is illegal. Jeffrey Tay can spend the
rest of his life wasting time and money marketing KaiZenWare but nobody
will buy because they think it is illegal.

Unfortunately, Jeffrey Tay found out and complained to members of the
ToolBook mailing list. Our good friend who owns the list speedily
arranged to forbid Jeffrey Tay from posting articles to members of this
list even though he has just subscribed to the list.

The idea is to gag Jeffrey Tay and to let everyone else say bad things
about KaiZenWare and Jeffrey Tay and ensuring that Jeffrey Tay does not
have a chance to ask questions and answer questions.

Is this cruel? This is the world of business and it is necessarily dirty
and cruel. I have no sympathy for Jeffrey Tay because I also want to copy
his ideas. I also want to make lots of money. Who cares about Jeffrey Tay
even though his software called KaiZenWare was developed and tested in
1993? Jeffrey Tay's job is to prove that his software is good and then
our job is to steal his idea and prevent him from selling KaiZenWare by
sabotaging him secretly.

Please broadcast this message to everyone on the Internet. Jeffrey Tay is
a one-man show working from home and he needs all the help he can get.
Steven Esau has to answer one question: Did he send a letter to Jeffrey
Tay authorizing Jeffrey Tay to distribute KaiZenWare?

Thank you.

P.S. To find out about KaiZenWare, use Excite and HotBot and use
"kaizenware" as the keyword to search the database. 





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In-Reply-To: Your message of "15 Nov 96 09:48:14 +0100."
             <m26837oib5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 
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From: Dave Gillespie <daveg@synaptics.com>

David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
> Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,

There is a simple patch that will fix this bug.  In `calc-fancy-prefix'
in calc-ext.el, add 

    (and prefix
+	 nil
	 (not calc-is-keypad-press)
	 (let ((event (calc-read-key t)))

to disable the too-clever stuff in the second half of the function.
The latter stuff was there only to deal with an obscure case that
isn't really important.

> Anybody want to look into it?  I already tried telling Dave Gillespie,
> the original author, but no reply...

I must have lost your mail message, which is inexcusable.  I apologize!

								-- Dave

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>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Atkinson <mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com> writes:

> Steven L. Baur writes:

>>>>>>> "Ray" == Ray Curtis <ray@fred.net> writes:
 
>>> I have what I hope is a simple question. How and can you get Xemacs to
>>> follow a selected path. I used to use an old Apollo system that you could
>>> select a path in text to a file, to open that file. It was really handy
>>> when reading thru doc's and just writing code, to be able to check a file.
>>> I hope I have made myself clear here, if not email me.

>> Nope.  I have a vague idea what you mean, but my exposure to Apollo's was
>> brief (only a few months) and long ago (about 9 years).  Feel free to
>> elaborate.

> Hmmm - what *I* would find useful is the ability to highlight a file name
> contained within a text file and then hit a "button" to open up a
> window/screen containing the file.  Presumably if no path is contained
> within the highlighted area it should be assumed to be that of the document
> being read.  Sort of an automatic hot-link really...for all I know this may
> exist already!

Actually, I think its already in there -- almost.  Hyperbole implements the
ability to click on implicit buttons in files and have them be activated.  One
of the types of implicit buttons is "delimited pathname".  For instance, if
you had hyperbole activated in your environment, you could simply click on
something like "/tmp/file.name" with Sh-button2 in any window and it would do
a find-file-other-window on that file.  The one problem is that the filename
needs to have delimiters of some sort or Hyperbole will interpret it as an ID
and attempt to do a find-tag-other-window on it.  This is very useful if
you're working on C code and want to:

* find-tag-other-window an ID
* open a file that was in a #include
* see the MAN page for a library function (did I mention that it has the
  ability to do this, too?  :-)

To activate Hyperbole, just put this at the end of your .emacs:

	(require 'hsite)

Hyperbole can do *A LOT* more than this (thanks, Bob).  For instance, I
mentioned implicit buttons above which should hint that you could also define
explicit buttons.  Check the Info documentation.

-- 
==================================================================
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davidm@prism.kla.com			San Jose, CA 95161-9055
==================================================================
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>>>>> "Harald" == Harald Finster <finster@ave.ac.agit.de> writes:

Harald> Searching for program: No such file or directory, xoobr I
Harald> suppose, that xoobr is an X-application invoked by my command,
Harald> but is not available on my system?

xoobr is distributed with XEmacs, but you have to build it yourself.
The source is located in the lisp/oobr/tree-x directory.
-- 
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>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com> writes:

David> I think you will find this problem has already
David> been solved by Eric Eide's really *excellent*
David> scroll-in-place package. See the header below.

Peter> If we were taking a vote (which, I guess, we're not) I
Peter> would vote for scroll-in-place to be *on* by default.  It
Peter> makes much more sense than the default behavior IMHO.

O.K.  Noted.

I have two problems with making scroll-in-place the default.

It breaks the behavior of the Gnus SPC command which doubles as a
paging command and as a next message command.  Moreover, it breaks it
quietly so that SPCs appear to be dropped by XEmacs.

I don't particularly care for the action of page down at the end of
buffer.  If the last line is a partial line, it doesn't get completely
shown until the cursor is moved explicitly to the bottom of the
buffer.  Also, attempting to page down can result in the cursor going
up in the buffer if point is close to the end of the buffer.

Taken together these are annoying nits as bad or worse than what
you're trying to replace.

Speaking of interface changes, would anyone be too upset if scroll-up
and scroll-down were made more zmacs-region friendly as in the
following?

(defadvice scroll-up (around scroll-up freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
	(condition-case nil
	    ad-do-it
	  (end-of-buffer (goto-char (point-max))))
      ad-do-it)))

(defadvice scroll-down (around scroll-down freeze)
  (interactive "_P")
  (let ((zmacs-region-stays t))
    (if (interactive-p)
	(condition-case nil
	    ad-do-it
	  (beginning-of-buffer (goto-char (point-min))))
      ad-do-it)))

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mat@wlt-dec2.abingdon.geoquest.slb.com (Mike Atkinson) writes:


   Hmmm - what *I* would find useful is the ability to highlight a file
   name contained within a text file and then hit a "button" to open up a
   window/screen containing the file.  Presumably if no path is contained
   within the highlighted area it should be assumed to be that of the
   document being read.  Sort of an automatic hot-link really...for all I
   know this may exist already!

I think you can do what you want with a few lines of Lisp:

(defvar around-path-regexp  "[^~/a-zA-Z0-9._+-]\\|$\\|\\`\\|\\'")

(defun mark-full-path-around-point nil ""
  (interactive)
  (let ((path-regexp around-path-regexp))
    (re-search-backward path-regexp)
    (forward-char 1) 
    (set-mark-command nil)
    (re-search-forward path-regexp)
    (backward-char 1)))

(defun visit-full-path-around-point nil ""
  (interactive)
  (let ((filename))
    (mark-full-path-around-point)
    (setq filename  (buffer-substring (region-beginning) (region-end)))
    (message filename)
    (find-file filename)))

(global-set-key "\C-x4v" (quote visit-full-path-around-point))

Now put the point on a filename and do C-x 4 v. Not elegant, but
functional.

-- 
Rick Braumoeller
Silicon Graphics, Inc.
rickb@sgi.com  415 933-4506

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Following up to my own post after doing some poking around ...

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Pezaris <pez@dwwc.com> writes:

Peter> If we were taking a vote (which, I guess, we're not) I
Peter> would vote for scroll-in-place to be *on* by default.  It
Peter> makes much more sense than the default behavior IMHO.

Steven> I have two problems with making scroll-in-place the default.

Steven> It breaks the behavior of the Gnus SPC command

Fixed by:
(defun turn-off-scroll-in-place ()
  (set (make-local-variable 'scroll-in-place) nil))

(add-hook 'gnus-article-mode-hook 'turn-off-scroll-in-place)

Steven> I don't particularly care for the action of page down at the
Steven> end of buffer.

Fixed by:
(setq scroll-allow-blank-lines-past-eob t)

Sudish Joseph <sudish@mindspring.com> points out that we need to have
turn-off hooks in three different vm modes as well.

So making this change looks O.K. to me.  It *is* an annoyance to do
C-v and M-v and end up somewhere other than where you started.

Any objections, and why?
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From: ddg@cci.com (D. Dale Gulledge)
Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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In article <56cd3m$4hk@route1.france3.fr> boyd@france3.fr (Boyd Roberts) writes:

   In article <32873596.308C@eurocontrol.fr>, Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr says...
   >
   >I will have ever stick my neck out and say that people in general
   >want a colour display, and that people in general prefer a GUI to a CLI.

   You're probably right, but for the wrong reason.  Most people are stupid
   enough to choose something that looks good over something that is good.
   Those people are just wrong.  Those people would build a scientific
   discipline based on ascetics, not correctness.

   I would argue that a better interface is a more efficient interface,
   for input as well as output.  A colour display or GUI may look better,
   but it does not guarantee a good interface.  A good interface is relies
   on good design.

Efficiency is certainly a very important criterion.  When we are talking about
efficiency in a user interface, there are other factors besides the number of
keystrokes or mouse clicks worth considering.  The most critical, IMHO, is how
easy it is to remember all of the commands you need.  For the casual user, a
GUI is probably more efficient because it presents the selection of commands
visually in an obvious place.  At some point, for those of us who rely on a
tool extensively (I currently have 7 windows open, 5 are GNU Emacs frames, one
is a console xterm and the other is Z-Mail), minimizing the number of
keystrokes and avoiding the mouse entirely becomes the most efficient
interface.  There is a difference in usage pattern driving the choice.

Now if we look at the market for commercial software, we should all have
noticed that new releases come out with an alarming frequency, and they
sometimes have interface changes.  This means that users are replacing their
entire tool set every few years and learning new tools constantly.  Having an
obvious interface makes a program more markettable under these conditions.
While Emacs is not commercial software and is not designed for the same uses
as so many of the GUI tools out there, it runs on many of the same machines.
Therefore, as you pointed out, people notice the look first because it is just
another window among many.

I suspect that the criteria used by programmers to select their tools will
always differ from our customer's.  And we are not alone in this.  I have a
good friend who does freelance proofreading and typesetting.  She does all of
her initial editing using XYWrite because it is powerful and fast.  When she
is done with that she imports the documents into whichever desktop publishing
tool she is using.

I have chosen Linux, X, Emacs and TeX at home over flashy WYSIWYG tools.  For
me they are practical.  I am doing heavily customized tasks that no tools come
packaged out of the box to do.  These tools provide both the mechanism to do
the customization and excellent documentation for how to do it.  I've written
a major mode for Emacs, a macro file for TeX that interprets a different
character set, and keyboard bindings for Emacs to allow me to type it
efficiently.  I went out and found fonts for it on the net and installed them.
These are not typical end user tasks.  I don't expect shrink-wrapped software
to do them.  If all I wanted to do was type memos in a single Western European
language (ISO 8859/1 character set), any word processor ought to do the trick.
If it doesn't these days, then it is defective, or the platform it is running
on is.

You have to choose the tools to suit the task you are doing and the pattern of
your usage.  For infrequent users, who are in the majority, obvious
standardized menus are great.  For frequent users, the eat more screen space
and CPU overhead than they are worth.  It really isn't a matter of
intelligence (unless you choose a tool for the wrong reasons and get the one
that is least efficient for you).

- Dale
--
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hoehle@zeus.gmd.de (Joerg Hoehle) writes:

> Hi,
> 
> where can I found background information about porting XEmacs to
> another (not UNIX, non X) platform?  Back in Lucid-Emacs-19.4 days, I
> can remember Jamie saying that XEmacs is more portable than FSF-Emacs
> (cleaner input model, etc.), now I want to verify that :-)
> 
> I've seen the Win-Emacs port as an example of another system, but this
> port uses some kind of X112MS-Win library.  Is writing an X112xyz
> library the recommended way to get XEmacs ported to another computer
> system?

  Nope.  Used to be, but with 19.12 and later, the redisplay has been
completely rewritten to be much more modular.  Each output device (X, TTY,
etc.) provides a 'device' interface for doing things like output, menubars,
scrollbars, fonts, etc.

> I read in the FAQ that X11 is not needed for XEmacs, that it can work
> in a terminal.  But what if the target OS has some native windowing
> facility?

  All the better. :)  More work though.  What OS are you thinking of
targetting?

> Also, what's the underlying memory model of XEmacs, how many tag bits
> does its Lisp need?

  Same as Emacs 19.

-Bill P.

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>>>>> "Ola" == Ola Rinta-Koski <Ola.Rinta-Koski@iki.fi> writes:
X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13

Ola> In article <m29184t4ox.fsf_-_@deanna.miranova.com> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>> >>>>> "Karsten" == Karsten Ballueder <karsten@pimiraculix.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> writes:
Karsten> - make emacs/xemacs multithreaded (why can't I read mail,
Karsten> while gnus looks for my news)

sb> (This is going to have to be added to the FAQ).  I'd like to see this
sb> too, but I don't expect it any time soon. (...)

Ola> I believe a lot of people would be more than happy just to be
Ola> able to do something while Gnus is starting up. Could the news
Ola> perhaps be fetched by a separate process? After all, you can say
Ola> M-x compile and not have to wait for the compilation to finish.

Part of the problem is you're using an old version of Gnus, as Lars
has made many, many improvements since 5.0.13.  After figuring out the
right variables to tweak, and killing all my unsubscribed groups,
etc. (as described in the Gnus FAQ), Gnus has been pretty fast to
start up for me.  There is now some asynchronous news fetching
support, though I've never felt the need to use it.

-- 
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I would like to determine if this is supported
and what I'd have to setup to accomplish this
(if it is supported).
Thanks.

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From: ray@picard.comsat.net (Ray Curtis)
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I am trying to get VM to run fetchmail instead of its own builtin
popclient so I have defined this:

This is defined in my .emacs file:
(defun fetchmail () "Run Fetchmail." (shell-command "fetchmail &"))

This is defined in my .vm file:
(define-key vm-mode-map "g" '/usr/bin/fetchmail)

However I get an error:
Symbol's function definition is void: /usr/bin/fetchmail

Any suggestions or idea's what I have done wrong here, or am I just
trying to do something that can't be done.

Thanks,

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs Function Question
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Ray Curtis (ray@picard.comsat.net) wrote:
> I am trying to get VM to run fetchmail instead of its own builtin
> popclient so I have defined this:
> This is defined in my .emacs file:
> (defun fetchmail () "Run Fetchmail." (shell-command "fetchmail &"))

(defun my-fetchmail ()
 "Run Fetchmail."
 (interactive)
 (shell-command "fetchmail &"))

> This is defined in my .vm file:
> (define-key vm-mode-map "g" '/usr/bin/fetchmail)

(define-key vm-mode-map "g" 'my-fetchmail

> However I get an error:
> Symbol's function definition is void: /usr/bin/fetchmail

Exactly -- since you have bound "g" to an `/usr/bin/fetchmail'
function (that doesn't exist), instead to `fetchmail' (or
`my-fetchmail', which is more correct).

> Any suggestions or idea's what I have done wrong here, or am I just
> trying to do something that can't be done.

Of course it can be done -- this is Emacs. :-)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
"What is the sound of Perl?  Is it not the sound of a wall that
people have stopped banging their heads against?" -- Larry Wall

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From: zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu>
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Subject: info - how to read info files in my home dir??
Date: 16 Nov 1996 16:30:45 -0700
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i did not get any replies, thus the repost.
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hi,

i've been trying to figure this out for two days.  i have some info
files in my home dir and i want to read them using XEmacs.  how the
heck do i do this?

thanks,

- -pjf
- -- 
"Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
 safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773)
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zifi runs LINUX 2.1.7  -=-=-=WEB=-=-=->  http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu

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Subject: Just try this, it will work
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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
 make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
 whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
 coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
 the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came
 from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough
 left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
 Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made
 $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only
 $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they
 say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a
 similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but
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 their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,
 legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps:

STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for
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addresses:

 1-  Fern Suarez
     Mallorca 112
     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
 2-  Philippe
     2104 De Mexico
     Chomedey, Laval
     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
     Lancveldlaan 18
     5671 CN Nuenen
     Holland
  
 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
     Placerville, CA  95667  

 5-  Steve Boltinghouse
     1009 Bird St.
     Hannibal, MO  63401

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
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    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
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    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
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    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
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    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
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    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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From: Timo Korvola <tkorvola@frodo.hut.fi>
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Subject: Re: XEmacs wishlist (was Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs? -- Enough)
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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
> Karsten> - make xemacs faster (it is _so_ slow! maybe I should look at
> Karsten>   GNU/emacs? :-)
> 
> That's being seriously looked at.  19.15 won't have an official
> release until it's resolved.

One thing where XEmacs is behind its GNUish competetion is screen
updates on slow tty lines.  Terminal capabilities aren't used very
efficiently and a lot of needless reprinting gets done when e.g. text
is scrolled or the window configuration is changed.  GNU Emacs on the
other hand seems to be very good at doing screen updates efficiently.

Apart from this, other tty-related features that I miss when using
XEmacs are terminal menu mode and xterm-mouse-mode.  Face support is
nice, though.

-- 
	Timo Korvola		<URL:http://www.math.hut.fi/~tkorvola/>

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From: tracy <tracy@hoston.com>
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Subject: Fun & Pleasure
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Hi everybody !

Are you male? O.K. Are you female? O.K. No matter what kind of newsgroup
you are belonging to, because everybody wants to have fun and pleasure.

Here are the good news: http://pleasurecove.com . The latest adult
entertainment for your personal fun and pleasure. Check it out, right
now.

Kisses

Tracy

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From: ek1@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (Eeri Kask)
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In article <56fuen$2gd@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de>,
	ek1@irz.inf.tu-dresden.de (Eeri Kask) writes:

> Under Solaris 2.4 (Generic_101945-10) and sun4m I get:
> 
>   unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): ld.so.1: ./temacs: fatal:
>     relocation error: value 0x209830 overflows 13 bits at 0xef2c10a4:
>     referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so
> 
> Does there exist any fix?

Don't use GCC 2.6.3, take 2.7.2.1 instead.  :-)


	Eeri Kask

-- (eeri @ freia . inf . tu-dresden . de)

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 (zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu) wrote:
> i did not get any replies, thus the repost.
> hi,
> i've been trying to figure this out for two days.  i have some info
> files in my home dir and i want to read them using XEmacs.  how the
> heck do i do this?

`C-u C-h i whatever.info RET'

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I have played with condition-case for a while; I wanted to define a
mechanism what to do when an IO function (like insert-file-contents)
fails.  This is the best I could do:

    (condition-case err
	(insert-file-contents sigs-file)
      (error (progn
	       (kill-buffer (current-buffer))
	       (signal (car err) (cdr err)))))

So, if 'insert-file-contents fails, the buffer is killed, and an error
is signaled.  Is this the Right way to do it?

1) I haven't seen much lisp code do it like this
2) Should I use unwind-protect?  Which is better?
3) (signal (car err) (cdr err)) seems *very* unclean!

-- 
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zinc <zinc@zifi.genetics.utah.edu> writes:
> i've been trying to figure this out for two days.  i have some info
> files in my home dir and i want to read them using XEmacs.  how the
> heck do i do this?

When in info mode, type 'g' and enter the filename. You might also
want to add your homedirectory to the infopath.

(setq Info-directory-list (append '("/home/zinc") Info-default-directory-list))


Markus

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> (defun my-fetchmail ()
>  "Run Fetchmail."
>  (interactive)
>  (shell-command "fetchmail &"))

I do not know, what "fetchmail" does, but wouldn't this code work
better, because it does not involve a shell and does not worry about
the output of the command:

(defun my-fetchmail ()
 "Run Fetchmail."
 (interactive)
 (call-process "fetchmail" nil 0 nil))


Markus

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>>>>> "Hrv" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

Hrv> I have played with condition-case for a while; I wanted to define
Hrv> a mechanism what to do when an IO function (like
Hrv> insert-file-contents) fails.  This is the best I could do:

You definitely want to use unwind-protect in this instance.

>(condition-case err
>    (insert-file-contents sigs-file)
>        (error (progn
>	       (kill-buffer (current-buffer))
>	       (signal (car err) (cdr err)))))

Hrv> So, if 'insert-file-contents fails, the buffer is killed, and an error
Hrv> is signaled.  Is this the Right way to do it?

Hrv> 1) I haven't seen much lisp code do it like this
Hrv> 2) Should I use unwind-protect?  Which is better?

unwind-protect executes the clean up forms whenever the stack is
unwound by either a throw (non-local exit), or by a signal (error
condition).  Condition-case handles only the error condition and can
be bypassed by a non-local exit.

Here's some sample code that illustrates the differences: (tested on
Emacs 19.34 and XEmacs 19.15)

(defun test-func (foo)
  "Test Function."
  (cond (foo (throw 'some-random-condition "Return Result"))
	(t (signal 'error "some-data"))))

(defun wrapper-1 (foo)
  "Wrapper for test function."
  (catch 'some-random-condition
      (condition-case err
	  (test-func foo)
	(error (message "Caught Error Condition")))))

(defun wrapper-2 (foo)
  "Wrapper for test function."
  (catch 'some-random-condition
      (unwind-protect
	  (test-func foo)
	(message "Caught Error Condition"))))


If you call (wrapper-1 t), the "Caught Error..." message is never
executed, but if you call (wrapper-2 t) it will be.

In the error signaling case, (wrapper-1 nil) will cause the error to
be caught and never signalled up.  Unwind-protect (wrapper-2 nil), the
error condition does get propagated up.  Since this appears to be what
you want anyway, use unwind-protect.

I hope that makes it a little clearer.

Hrv> 3) (signal (car err) (cdr err)) seems *very* unclean!

Yes.
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Shane Holder posted a benchmark utility to this newsgroup a few days
ago, and I'd like to comment on it.  (It is *wonderful* news).

Shane> I've gone back to using emacs 19.34, just because things are so
Shane> slow in xemacs no flames intended.  I've included times from a
Shane> benchmark package I'm working on.  It's very simple, and
Shane> included at the bottom, I'd be interested in any
Shane> comments/flames.  I should do more iterations, but I just
Shane> haven't gotten that far yet.

First of all Shane, thank you for providing the benchmark.  The
biggest comment I have is that it appears to only cover display
performance.  If you want to do more tests, I would recommend doing
various non-display computational sorts of things.

Anyway, here are the results I got running it: (19.34 -vs- 19.14[1])
compiled with similar optimization settings (-O4, Linux/ELF 2.0
kernel, on a slow, stupid Cyrix 486/66).

Emacs 19.34
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           5.2587159999  5.2587159999 (hanoi)
bench-mark-2   1           22.319042000  22.319042000 (font-lock)
bench-mark-3   1           280.97348300  280.97348300 (next-line)
bench-mark-4   1           3.1149910000  3.1149910000 (make-frame)
bench-mark-6   1           148.00331200  148.00331200 (byte-compile)

Emacs 19.14
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-1   1           32.556711999  32.556711999 (hanoi)
bench-mark-2   1           24.582392999  24.582392999 (font-lock)
bench-mark-3   1           306.13799399  306.13799399 (next-line)
bench-mark-4   1           0.7691689999  0.7691689999 (make-frame)
bench-mark-6   1           262.15874100  262.15874100 (byte-compile)

First off notice that the biggest discrepancies are against hanoi and
the byte-compile tests.  The Tower of Hanoi game is extremely display
intensive.  The byte-compile test is comparing apples and oranges.
The XEmacs byte compiler is optimizing and the 19.34 byte-compiler is
not.  Turning off byte-compiler optimization via:

(defun bench-mark-6 ()
  ; Byte compile a file
  (let ((byte-optimize nil))
    (byte-compile-file large-lisp-file))
)

Resulted in a run time of:
Function Name  Call Count  Elapsed Time  Average Time
=============  ==========  ============  ============
bench-mark-6   1           155.63545000  155.63545000 (byte-compile)

Now, XEmacs is slower on each of the larger bench marks except the
make-frame one.  And markedly slower when displaying is involved.  I'd
say this is very strong evidence that the XEmacs performance problem
is solely tied up in the display.  Until the display is turned off
totally I'm willing to discount the differences in performance of the
other tests as well, since the byte-compile test involves a fair
amount of scribbling to the minibuffer.

Shane> I think I read an article by Steven Baur that said something
Shane> about byte compiles, and some other things being slow because
Shane> some part of the code was written in lisp for xemacs, where as
Shane> it's written in C for emacs.

This proved to be a false statement on my part.  The stuff I thought
was done in lisp turned out to be unused code.  On the other hand, I
am now aware of just how much optimizing the byte compiler does (*a
lot*) and am willing to trade off some performance on that for the
optimization, note that turning off optimization makes the performance
comparable to GNU Emacs 19.34, the speed demon.

Shane> I couldn't re-find the article to determine if it had anything
Shane> to do with display code.

It didn't.

We already know there were problems with the display code, it is good
to see that the engine appears to perform comparably, and once we lick
the display, we should be on a par speed-wise with Emacs again.

[1]
I don't have a handy 19.15 executable compiled with run-time debugging
turned off, that is *not* a fair comparison for benchmarking purposes.
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Hi.

I'm not sure if this is strictly a VM question, or more a general
XEmacs question, but at any rate I'm looking for a way to open 4 mail
folders simultaneously when I start VM.  

The reason is that I subscribe to 4 (this may increase) mailing lists
that fill up my inbox with 50-60 messages every morning.  I manage
this using the auto-archive function of VM, which very nicely places
all those messages into 4 separate mail folders.

It's a pain, though, to then have to type the name of all 4 folders to
visit every time, one at a time.  Is there a way that I can configure
XEmacs to automatically pop up a separate frame (perhaps iconified)
for each folder when I start VM?  i.e., when I type 'M-x vm', instead
of just opening my INBOX folder, it will open the INBOX, LIST1, ...,
LIST4 folders.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Cheers,
Dave

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Steven L. Baur (steve@miranova.com) wrote:
> Hrv> I have played with condition-case for a while; I wanted to define
> Hrv> a mechanism what to do when an IO function (like
> Hrv> insert-file-contents) fails.  This is the best I could do:
> You definitely want to use unwind-protect in this instance.

Yes, I've come to that conclusion.  With the slight change that I want
to kill the buffer anyway, so it makes things even more clean, and the
final form look like:
(unwind-protect
    (progn
      ...everything, including 'include-file-contents...)
  (kill-buffer (current-buffer)))

> In the error signaling case, (wrapper-1 nil) will cause the error to
> be caught and never signalled up.  Unwind-protect (wrapper-2 nil), the
> error condition does get propagated up.  Since this appears to be what
> you want anyway, use unwind-protect.
> I hope that makes it a little clearer.

Yes.  Elisp programming works like a charm. :-)  If I could only find
a good on-line tutorial to learn the basics of Lisp...

E.g. there is one thing bugging me.  If I want to append things to a
list, should I do it with append or with nconc?  nconc should be
faster, but nconc will not append to an empty list.  The code I want
is:

(setq lst nil)
(while condition
  (...process and bind variable x...)
  (nconc lst (list x)))

This doesn't work, since (nconc lst '(something)) does not change lst
if it is nil.  This is why my solution is something like:

(while condition
  (...process and bind variable x...)
  (if lst
      (setq lst (list x))
    (nconc lst (list x))))

But it looks plain ugly.  The same thing with append would look like:

(while condition
  (...process and bind variable x...)
  (setq lst (append lst (list x))))

Will this be slower than the first solution?  All this setq-ing seems
to imply an amount of copying, but since append doesn't copy its last
arguments, and setq does not deep-copy a list, the whole form should
only move pointers around, and be fast enough.  What do you think?

-- 
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David Guertin (guertin@caddis.middlebury.edu) wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is strictly a VM question, or more a general
> XEmacs question, but at any rate I'm looking for a way to open 4 mail
> folders simultaneously when I start VM.

Since the vm function accepts a folder arguments, you can try
something like this in your .emacs:

(require 'vm)
(setq my-folders '("folder.one" "folder.two" "folder.three"))
(defun my-vm ()
  "Open all of my folders."
  (interactive)
  (let ((lst my-folders))
    (while lst
      (vm-visit-folder-other-frame (car lst))
      (iconify-frame)     ; decide whether you want them iconified
      (setq lst (cdr lst)))))

> for each folder when I start VM?  i.e., when I type 'M-x vm', instead
> of just opening my INBOX folder, it will open the INBOX, LIST1, ...,
> LIST4 folders.

Type M-x my-vm, and it should do it.

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* A: A person who wishes that the terminal had pedals.
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> Don't use GCC 2.6.3, take 2.7.2.1 instead.  :-)

Ah, this is, what I've done.


My first try was with 2.7.1. When this had failed, I installed gcc-2.7.2,
tried it again and encountered exactly the same error messages when it came
to dumping.

> unexec(): dlopen(../dynodump/dynodump.so): 
> 	ld.so.1: ./temacs: 
> 	fatal: relocation error: 
>	symbol not found: main: referenced in ../dynodump/dynodump.so



Martin

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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:55:33 +0100, boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it
(giacomo boffi) wrote:

> if Ray means: "select a pathname embedded in text, then open the file
> pointed by the pathname", a similar capability was apparently there
>
> it worked like this: when you 1st asked for a file (C-x C-f), then
> moving the mouse cursor over something resembling a (remote?) filename
> hilited the pathname, and clicking button2 opened the file
>
>but it never worked very well...
I just tried on our DEC Alpha OSF1v3.2 XEmacs 19.14 and it worked just
fine.

May I add a modest contribution to this thread (of which the precise
subject is not clear yet, please Ray feel free to follow Steven's
suggestion) recalling you can use the mini-buffer quite like another
frame.  In the case of interest, you can start loading a file  (e.g
C-x C-f), switch to the other frame (C-x O or C-Tab), select the
filename, come back to the mini-buffer (C-x O or C-Tab again) and
paste (C-y) what you've been selecting previously.

It might look pretty simple and boring but sometimes (if not always)
the simpliest way is the safest.

Serge.


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From: "Jean-Michel Mahe (These)" <JM.Mahe@enst-bretagne.fr>
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Hi,

I tried to install Xemacs-19.14 on my platform which is sun-solaris2.5 
from the 2 files below I got from a ftp site: 
 - xemacs-19.14-common.tar.gz
 - xemacs-19.14-sparc-sun-solaris2.4.tar


This installation took place on a particular directory on my account
(not in /usr/local)

After gzip -d and tar xvf, when I lauched xemacs I got, the following
message:

"Required feature x-mouse was not provided"


When I want to open or to save a file, I got the following message:

"wrong number of arguments: (lambda (hook-var hook-function) "prepend
hook-function to hook-var's value if it is not already an element"

Thus I cannot use xemacs since I cannot open or save any file.

Probably it comes from configuration of variables in my .emacs, but I do
not know what variables to set.

Could you help me ? 

Best regards
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* D. Dale Gulledge
| Now if we look at the market for commercial software, we should all have
| noticed that new releases come out with an alarming frequency, and they
| sometimes have interface changes.  This means that users are replacing
| their entire tool set every few years and learning new tools constantly.
| Having an obvious interface makes a program more markettable under these
| conditions.

hmm.  having a truly _learnable_ interface (i.e., a real language) would
not cause small changes in the user interface to break what people had
learned, so they wouldn't be in need of "easy to use" interfaces in order
to argue for rapid changes.  e.g., for all its negative aspects, the DOS
command language remained essentially the same for 15 years.  the Windows
stuff has changed and will continue to change so frequently that it would
be a colossal waste to study it.  likewise, the Unix command languages have
remained largely the same for 15 years, too.

languages last longer than fashion, be it clothes or GUIs.

#\Erik
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Hi,

	
	First at all, I want to say that XEmacs is wonderful.
Thanks to all the XEmacs developpers/testers/writers etc... for their
work.

	I have just two questions :

	1- When is the 19.15 version scheduled ? some users on my systems still
use an old version. I wish to upgrade their configuration to accept the
new version. Should I use the current or the next ?

	2- The major 'problem' reported by users is the size of Xemacs. I
remember a discussion here about a 'light' version of XEmacs with only
few packages added. Is my mind correct? Is that scheduled for the 19.15
version ?

	3- I try to compile the 19.15 version but I find no starting point to
determine which package is loaded at startup. I wish to remove some of
them never used by the user on my site. I take a look at the FAQ but
nothing really clear. So, where can I find this ?


	Thanks for your help.
-- 

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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* Ray Auchterlounie
| I don't think anyone in this thread has been advocating _forcing_ people
| to use colours and/or GUIs, they want choice, just like you.

if they (XEmacs folks, GUI designers, etc) were in favor of choice, they
would have separated out the functionality from the user interface, and
built an interface to the functionality apart from the user interface.
they didn't.  (some think that OLE or DDE (or whatever TLA is in vogue
today) is the way to go.  it isn't.)

| Unfortunately you, and some, at least, of the GNU Emacs developers seem
| to want Emacs to offer only the choices they agree with.

how the hell did this "seem to be"?  GNU Emacs would like to use the XEmacs
display engine, as has been said many, many times.  this is impossible, for
all sorts of reasons, most of them having to do with randomly breaking
working code while writing it in the first place, and the rest with sloppy
copyright handling.

I have said so many times that it would border on spam to repeat it, that
what I think is really wrong with XEmacs was that they went off and _broke_
everything just to get their favorite user interface.  I DO NOT CARE _WHAT_
INTERFACE THEY USE.  I care about internals, usability to myself (just like
any other user), and I care about the Emacs Lisp programming language.  I
see in Emacs a fundamental care for the programming _language_.  I see in
XEmacs a fundamental attitude change towards "API"s and "trends" that have
shown _no_ real value for free and shared software, but _lots_ of easily
observable drawbacks.

| I do not wish to deny you the choice of a black-and-white screen etc.,
| but adding a choice of colours does not restrict your choice of black and
| white, insisting that black and white should be the only choice, because
| that is all you have, does restrict others who want to use colour (for
| whatever reason - people are different).

sigh.  I give up.  it isn't _my_ problem that fools like you have to put
words in my mouth and tell me that I "insist that black and white should be
the only choice".  I NEVER HAVE, AND I NEVER WILL insist on that.  OK?  can
you at least try to _remember_ that, now?

| Yet, when this happens to GNU / FSF software the authors start yelling
| that competition is bad and forked versions are evil etc. etc. 

your summary of this is as good as you imputing to me that insist that
black and white be the only choice.  in other words, you're lying, and you
know it.  (or you're an idiot, your choice.)  competition _is_ bad, but for
an entirely different reason than you think.  competition requires that two
or more teams implement the same functionality to "compete".  this is not
only bad, it's monumentally stupid.

| Emacs could use the XEmacs code, just as other GNU projects use code
| from elsewhere - it is GPL, and that is what the GPL is for after all.

pay attention, dammit!  if you have to make summaries of things you don't
understand, at least keep them to yourself.  Emacs _cannot_ use the XEmacs
code.  you don't _know_ that the code is GPL'ed just because people say so.
an employee is not allowed to give away his time, and any work for hire, or
what could be construed to be work for hire, requires that the employer
explicitly disclaim copyright or otherwise release the copyright on the
work performed by one of the employees.  if this is not done, the GPL is in
peril, because somebody could claim copyright on parts of the purportedly
GPL'ed code.  if you don't understand this much, at least keep quiet about
what could or could not be done.

| If the code/features/ideas don't fit the Emacs grand design then they
| would have been rejected anyway - at least they can be used in XEmacs.

where and when did you learn of the grand design?  you have talked about
twice, now, only in negative terms.  is it because you think it sounds
suitably sarcastic to talk about you use it?  or is it because you would
like to share some of your grasp of that grand design?

| I am considering installing XEmacs, partly because of it's improved tty
| support.  I am not going to work on implementing this in Emacs, not
| because "I have XEmacs so why bother", but because it WAS impemented (at
| least in part) for Emacs and WAS REJECTED.

do you know this?  no, you don't.  was it rejected?  no, it wasn't.  it
could not be implemented in Emacs because some idiots in the XEmacs camp
had stomped all over the code just to implement it.  somebody is trying to
port this XEmacs stuff back into Emacs, but what do the XEmacs folks do?
grin?  laugh?  ridicule Emacs?  continue their marketing campaigns against
Emacs for not having what they have?  or all of the above?  did you say
"benefit other users"?  think again.  XEmacs does not benefit users more
than in the _present_, while free software tries to set a standard for how
software should be shared and developed by lots of people in _cooperation_.
_this_ is the conflict.

#\Erik
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Subject: Re: Elisp basics (was: condition-case)
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* Hrvoje Niksic
| E.g. there is one thing bugging me.  If I want to append things to a
| list, should I do it with append or with nconc?  nconc should be faster,
| but nconc will not append to an empty list.  The code I want is:
| 
| (setq lst nil)
| (while condition
|   (...process and bind variable x...)
|   (nconc lst (list x)))

do it in two steps.  first, `cons' all the elements onto the head of the
list in the while loop.  second, `reverse' (or, `nreverse') the list when
you return it.

    (let ((list ()))
      (while ...
	...
	(push ... list))
      (nreverse list))

(push object list) expands to (setq list (cons object list)), but it can
push onto any list, not just variables.  (require 'cl) to get it.

note that the above form _returns_ the list as its value.

you should never `setq' an unbound variable if the intention is only to use
the value locally.

| The same thing with append would look like:
| 
| (while condition
|   (...process and bind variable x...)
|   (setq lst (append lst (list x))))
| 
| Will this be slower than the first solution?  All this setq-ing seems
| to imply an amount of copying, but since append doesn't copy its last
| arguments, and setq does not deep-copy a list, the whole form should
| only move pointers around, and be fast enough.  What do you think?

`append' (and `nconc') has to traverse the list every time you append some
value to the list.  that is, for a list N long, they need to do N `cdr's.
when N grows, we find that the upper bound on the execution time is
proportional to N.  that is, `append' has order N, written O(N).

in contrast, `cons' is O(1), i.e., it requires constant time, and `reverse'
is O(N), but you perform the O(N) operation outside the loop, and the O(1)
inside, so the whole operation is proportional to the length of the list,
or O(N).  your `append' example would perform the O(N) operation N times,
and we can show that the upper bound on the execution time is proportional
to N (i.e., N squared for ISO 8859-1 challenged readers), or O(N).

if you add only a small number of elements to a list, O(N) or O(N) won't
matter.  in particular, if the constant k of proportionality is greater
than N, we get kO(N) > O(N), and O(N) would be faster.  assuming no other
constants, "cons+reverse" has a k of 2, and "append" has a k of  (one-half
for ISO 8859-1 challenged readers), since, on average, `append' has to scan
over half the elements of the list.  we find that for a list of than more
four elements, "cons+reverse" wins over "append".  this is in terms of CPU
usage.

similar comparisons can be made with space.  "cons+reverse" uses space
proportional to N.  `cons' uses constant space.  `reverse' uses 2N space,
while `nreverse' (n for non-consing) uses N space, so N O(1) and 1 O(N)
give an upper bound proportional to N, i.e., O(N), but k is 2.  the
`append' solution will have to use new cons cells all the time, and `list'
is likewise O(1), while the `append' is O(N), since it copies all the cons
cells, so N (O(1) + 1/2O(N)) gives O(N), but k is again .  using `nconc',
however, we find that the only consing operation is `list'.

so we have
		    time	space	    garbage
"cons+reverse"	    2 O(N)	2 O(N)	    O(N)
"cons+nreverse"     2 O(N)	  O(N)	    -
"append"	     O(N)	 O(N)	     O(N) - N
"nconc"		     O(N)	  O(N)	    -

as long as we count only cons cells, O(N) = N.  leaving a lot of garbage
behind is not nice in Lisp, either.

for space and time considerations in the general case, "cons+nreverse" uses
O(N) time and O(N) space, and is sufficient for 

Lisp novices use `append' or `nconc' in loops.  if an experienced Lisp
programmer uses them, look very carefully for the reason why they are the
best choice.

if the list is _very_ long lists, the constant of proportionality becomes
important, and if we can find a more complex function that reduces it, we
do.  this function is O(N) in both time and space:

(let* ((list (list first-case))
       (tail list))
  (while remaining-cases
    (setq tail (setcdr tail (list ...))))
  list)

COMPATIBILITY NOTE: Common Lisp's `rplacd' (which Emacs Lisp also has, but
which I did not use because of the confusion) returns the modified cons
cell, while Emacs Lisp's `setcdr' returns the new cdr.  in Common Lisp, one
would write:

    (setf tail (setf (cdr tail) (list ...)))

since `setf' returns the new value, or

    (setf (cdr tail) (list ...))
    (setf tail (cdr tail))

to be explicit.  a sufficiently smart compiler would recognize and exploit
the fact that the value of (cdr tail) could not change between these forms.

#\Erik
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Hi Erik,
(and everyone else)

what I find surprising is that you make the same assertions over and
over again about XEmacs without proving a single one of them.  You
talk about "sloppy code," "breaking code," "undue regard for 'API's"
etc. without proving any of them.  I'll state some points without
claiming anything about what Erik said (except where explicitly
stated).  They stand by themselves.  Readers can decide whether they
prove or disprove anything that Erik said.

- Very few people (and that seems to be including Erik) know why the
  Emacs/XEmacs split really occurred.  It was certainly not because
  both parties didn't want to merge---all we know is that conflicts
  arose.  I have tried to get decent code into FSF (specifically RMS)
  software myself, and have found it difficult to cooperate with him
  long before XEmacs existed.  Being picky about including code from
  others is his choice.  But he can't really complain when others take
  his code and make their own product from it.  In fact, I don't
  remember RMS ever complaining.  I only remember Erik complaining.

- I work at an institution primarily occupied with software
  engineering.  I find large parts of GNU Emacs incredibly convoluted
  (especially when it comes to system dependencies).  I find that much
  of that code was rewritten in a cleaner fashion in XEmacs.  Yes, the
  XEmacs developers did "stomp over" all of the code.  Mainly because
  it proved difficult to maintain and even more difficult to
  understand fully.  Mind you, that's just my personal *impression*,
  not an assertion.

- There is no proof whatsoever for the assertion that GNU Emacs has fewer
  bugs than XEmacs.  Anyone prepared to provide some numbers?  My
  *impression* is that 19.14 is extremely stable.  I cannot speak for
  GNU Emacs.  I have noticed that XEmacs releases are less frequent
  than Emacs releases, and that in the early days (beta?), Emacs 19
  releases occurred at intervals less than a week.  To fix bugs?  I
  don't know.

- The XEmacs redisplay engine is inherently slower than the GNU Emacs
  one because it is more powerful (or provides more features,
  whichever way you want to phrase it).

- Both the Emacs and XEmacs Lisp engines are abysmally slow because of
  ancient language design properties (dynamic scoping) and ancient
  implementation technology (mark-and-sweep GC).  That fundamental
  problem can't be changed by simple "tuning."

- XEmacs abides by the FSF's own copyleft.  Is that "sloppy"?
  The fact that RMS demands stricter regulations is his choice,
  possibly a valid one.  I'm rather happy about the fact that the
  XEmacs developers spent their time on coding rather than paperwork.
  As I understand, Chuck and Ben _have_ signed over the necessary
  paperwork for the inclusion of the XEmacs redisplay engine into
  Emacs.  Can anyone comment?

- Erik claims there's all this discussion about the API.   I've
  checked the xemacs-beta archives where this discussion would
  normally occur (one would expect).  In 15 Megabytes (FIFTEEN
  MEGABYTES) of archive, the word API appears less than 70 times.
  What's the situation with GNU Emacs?  Are any archives available.
  In other words, Erik's assertion (besides being as vague as can be)
  is blatantly false.

- XEmacs uses native datatypes to provide data encapsulation, often
  providing the same constructors and selectors as in GNU Emacs.  GNU
  Emacs may support the same *abstraction* mechanisms, but the fact
  is, that publicly available ELisp code breaks these abstractions all
  over the place.  This is one of the main porting problems for moving
  from GNU Emacs to XEmacs.  Thus, actually providing data hiding
  seems to be necessary to enforce that data abstractions are actually
  used.

- There's nothing inherent in Lisp (especially modern Lisp dialects
  like EuLisp, Common Lisp, or Scheme) that makes it especially
  natural or desirable to represent all complex data by lists or
  vectors.  It just happens to be a programming style common in the
  60's and 70's.  (In the Scheme community, it is generally agreed
  that there should be a facility for opaque data.  It just happens to
  be hard to design at the language level.)  ELisp as a language, as
  much as anyone cares about it, is incredibly dated, and that shows.

- XEmacs runs happily (and is happily used) on B&W displays here.  I
  can't see anything in XEmacs that relies on the fact that color is
  used.

Erik, go get a lollipop and just do it somewhere else.

Cheers =8-} Mike

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Hello,

Does somebody have the changes to do in the startup files in order to
get the ps-print in XEmacs-19.14 to give the same results than in XEmacs-19.13?

In XEmacs-19.13 I was able to print files on a B&W postscript printer
with nice results for each face used in the buffer/region being
printed. (Bold for reserved words, Italics for comments, Bold-italics
for function/macro names, etc). Now, in XEmacs-19.14 I get page with
the same face for reserved words, comments, function/macro names, etc.

I have applied the different patches from the FAQ and mailing-list,
but nothing appears to be fixed. 

Switching to a color printing option, I get faces, but a damm
background for comments, reserved words, strings that make the code
almost unreadable. (foreground and background are almost the same.)

My frame background is White-Smoke and the Foreground is changed according
to the different faces.

Any hint?

TIA.

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu, edb-list@theory.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: saving an EDB database breaks with XEmacs 19.14

when i try to save a database, i am told, in the minibuffer

Saving database to file /nfs/rachele/home/boffi/dida/urbano/compitini96/9nov...
Symbol may not be buffer-local: generated-modeline-string

i had to patch slightly edb-1.21 sources to get my elc's built,but
these patches involve only db-interfa and db-summary

anyone can help me?

tia
								gb
ps: the patches:

begin 644 patch2edb4xemacs
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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com>
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Greetings,

Does anyone know if there is a variable that I can set
so that the body of the message is automatically visible,
instead of having to hit the space bar for every message?
Is this the default behavior?

TIA,


-- Kevin
_____________________________________________________________________
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Merrill Lynch                                World Financial Center - NT
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Subject: [Q:] How two get next buffer in list instead of current one after splitting windows?
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After split-window-vertically (C-x 2) both the old and the new window
hold the same buffer. Instead, I want to see the next buffer in list
in the newly created buffer. How to do this?

Ciao
	Oliver

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I've loaded to files, foo.cc and foo.h, with foo.cc being the current
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	C-x b foo. TAB

I'm offered foo.cc anf foo.h as possible completions, but I don't want to see
the current buffer but only foo.h. How to do this?

Ciao
	Oliver

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i've got a few questions pertaining to a number of different areas.  hopefully, 
someone can help me out here.  i'm running XEmacs 19.14 Sun Solaris 2.4

    1) is there a way to add types to cc-mode's keyword list?  i use typedefs like 
    USHORT and ULONG, etc. and would like the font-locking mechanism to recognize
    this.  preferably, there would be an interactive mechanism, or at the very
    least, i'd like to be able to create a file with my extra types and have them
    integrated into the keyword list via some function.

    2) with gnus (i've got both 5.2.25 and 5.2.40) i can't find a way to provide
    authorization info for specific extra newshosts.  i tried the option in the
    FAQ but that ends up working for the default newshost, which doesn't require
    authorization.  any ideas?

    3) i've tried both the oobr and etags, but i can't seem to get what i want to work.
    basically, what i'm looking for is a mechanism that will go through a number of
    directories containing c-code, and figure out all the file relationships.  the idea
    being if i'm in some file and want to see the declaration of some struct or function
    that information is just a mouse click away.

    4) i've figured out how to archive my outgoing messages, but what i'd also like is
    a kind of non-destructive delete.  i want to be able to delete messages by having them
    automatically move into a trash folder.  and related to this, when i do a function like
    a move or this non-destructive delete, i don't want to have to expunge the folder manually
    i want it to work auto-magically, like the netscape or eudora mailers. (i don't use 
    netscape as a mailer because i'd like to centralize everything i can in XEmacs, and use
    netscape ONLY as a browser--i'm not that crazy about the W3 browser.

    5) going back to font locking.  is it possible to make the default font, mode dependant.
    for example, in my c-code i prefer to use a mono-spaced font for the obvious reasons.
    but in the info and manual modes, i'd like to be able to use something like times.  or
    as an alternative path, how can i make a new text type, like font-lock-info-mode-default,
    and tie that to the default text font instead of font-lock-default-text (or whatever
    it is).

    6) back to gnus, which variable contains the Gcc: value.  i don't want my article archived for
    gnus, i want to mail them back to myself or put them directly in the vm-inbox folder.

    7) one last guns question.  how do i stop mailcrypt from loading with gnus--and is there a way
    to cause it to load automatically with vm?

alright, i suppose i better not push my luck, and i'll just leave it there.  emails in 
addition to postings appreciated.

thanks in advance,

mark

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   Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 10:45:51 -0800
   From: Dave Gillespie <daveg@synaptics.com>

   David Kastrup <dak@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
   > Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,

   There is a simple patch that will fix this bug.  In `calc-fancy-prefix'
   in calc-ext.el, add 

       (and prefix
   +=09 nil
=09    (not calc-is-keypad-press)
=09    (let ((event (calc-read-key t)))

   to disable the too-clever stuff in the second half of the function.
   The latter stuff was there only to deal with an obscure case that
   isn't really important.

Good to know.  Considering that calc went through several patches in
the last time on GNU mirrors (where actually mainly wordings were
changed), perhaps you could try to get this through as another patch?
It might look trivial, but it isn't for anybody not into the internals
of calc...  That would really be a help.

   > Anybody want to look into it?  I already tried telling Dave Gillespie,
   > the original author, but no reply...

   I must have lost your mail message, which is inexcusable.  I apologize!

Perhaps you've overlooked it because most messages from me were just
bickerings about calc-3.0 (the thing using Emacs floats internally,
and better simplifying expressions) not being available to the
public...

But certainly I'd not mention this again in this letter.  Getting the
prefix keys to work would really be a more useful patch than the last
few ones on prep.


Thanks,

David Kastrup                                     Phone: +49-234-700-5570
Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de       Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut f=FCr Neuroinformatik, Universit=E4tsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germa=
ny

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Hello,
will
xemacs-19.14-i486-unknown-linuxaout-motif-static.tar.gz
ever be released ?

fdy
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From: Steve Brain <sbrain@fmrco.com>
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Subject: Help : All completions changing to lower case
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I know this is probably a dumb question but I've 
scanned the Emacs documentation and can't figure 
out how to solve it....

I recently upgrade from some accient version of 
emacs to xemacs 19.31 and in doing so the 
completion functionality (ESC-/) changed behavior.  
It used to do completion with the same case as the 
thing it was completing, but now it completes all 
in a single case (dictated by the first character 
which it is completing from).  Since I'm writing 
C++ code this is not very much use to me.

I tried looking at completion-ignore-case but this 
doesn't seem to apply.

Could someone point in the right direction?  Also 
is there some other source of useful info so I 
don't need to bother this forum with naive 
questions?

Thanks

Steve Brain
Fidelity Investments

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>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

  Kevin> Greetings,

  Kevin> Does anyone know if there is a variable that I can set
  Kevin> so that the body of the message is automatically visible,
  Kevin> instead of having to hit the space bar for every message?
  Kevin> Is this the default behavior?

(setq vm-preview-lines nil)

All the available customization variables are in the vm-vars.el file, you
should consider giving it a look.

Best regards,

Oscar

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I'm afraid I have to take Erik into defense on a few poins here...

sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber
[Mr. Preprocessor]) writes:

> - Very few people (and that seems to be including Erik)

Not quite.  He *has* mentioned quite a few interesting things about
the origins of Lucid Emacs, and seems to be quite in the know,
although he sees this by necessity from his side.

>   know why the Emacs/XEmacs split really occurred.  It was certainly
>   not because both parties didn't want to merge---all we know is
>   that conflicts arose.

The original problems were in the Lucid/FSF cooperation.  After Lucid
Emacs was continued by the XEmacs maintainers, there have been
numerous contacts, but there was considerable dissention in both
camps about the possible courses of proceeding to a merger.  Some
enmities arose from that as well.

>   I have tried to get decent code into FSF
>   (specifically RMS) software myself, and have found it difficult to
>   cooperate with him long before XEmacs existed.

RMS admits himself to not being a "people person".  There are quite a
bit of those in the computer camp.  About the most annoying trait is
that he will typically reject suggestions not done as clearly as to
eliminate all doubts how to get sensible behaviour, instead of trying
to figure something out by himself.  Considering the amount of work he
has already on his hands, this attitude is somewhat understandable.
Perhaps it does not always get across in an amicable way.

>   Being picky about
>   including code from others is his choice.  But he can't really
>   complain when others take his code and make their own product from
>   it.  In fact, I don't remember RMS ever complaining.

Same here.

>  - The XEmacs redisplay engine is inherently slower than the GNU
> Emacs
>   one because it is more powerful (or provides more features,
>   whichever way you want to phrase it).

IMO, this is an invalid reasoning: the running speed of a system
should be shaped by the complexity of the task it is currently doing,
not by the complexity of the tasks it could accomplish as well.  The
XEmacs display engine was a redesign (due to more requirements as
well, of course), and this redesign has not yet reached the efficiency
one'd want from it.  I certainly hope that future versions will
improve on that, even though the display engine can display more than
fixed size fonts.

>  - Both the Emacs and XEmacs Lisp engines are abysmally slow because
> of
>   ancient language design properties (dynamic scoping) and ancient
>   implementation technology (mark-and-sweep GC).  That fundamental
>   problem can't be changed by simple "tuning."

I do think both of these to have valid potential for future
developments of Emacs (lexical scoping was mentioned a few time in
this group as possible).

>  - XEmacs abides by the FSF's own copyleft.  Is that "sloppy"?
>   The fact that RMS demands stricter regulations is his choice,
>   possibly a valid one.  I'm rather happy about the fact that the
>   XEmacs developers spent their time on coding rather than
>   paperwork.

The GPL is just fine, but the point seems to be that the FSF does not
feel that all parties tacking the GPL on XEmacs sources have the
necessary legal power to claim that they are indeed allowed to tacking
the GPL on.  I have heard that RMS got burned once already with a case
where the employer whistled back some presumably GPL-ed code by one of
its employees, so I can understand he's wary.

>  As I understand, Chuck and Ben _have_ signed over the
>   necessary paperwork for the inclusion of the XEmacs redisplay
>   engine into Emacs.  Can anyone comment?

Would be interesting, yes.

>  - XEmacs uses native datatypes to provide data encapsulation, often
>   providing the same constructors and selectors as in GNU Emacs.
>   GNU Emacs may support the same *abstraction* mechanisms, but the
>   fact is, that publicly available ELisp code breaks these
>   abstractions all over the place.  This is one of the main porting
>   problems for moving from GNU Emacs to XEmacs.  Thus, actually
>   providing data hiding seems to be necessary to enforce that data
>   abstractions are actually used.

Sad, but true.  All the information encapsulation, interface things
which make C++ the rage were also possible in C by adhering to
well-specified interfaces.  It is a sad fact that the necessary
discipline is seldomly present.

The current variant of Emacs Lisp does not take into account this
fallacy of programmers.  Lexical scoping would be a first step in that
direction, but much more would be wanted.  The few attempts in XEmacs
to keep programmers from meddling in internals are a puny attempt in
comparison to what would be needed: a much more powerful scoping
mechanism available in Lisp, not only in the C part of the engine.

>   (In the Scheme community, it is generally agreed
>   that there should be a facility for opaque data.  It just happens
>   to be hard to design at the language level.)

Hey, that was the point I was trying to make!


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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> The buffer-history variable is filled with buffer names that are
> switched to in the minibuffer with C-x b (or any other interactive
> command that ends up calling the lisp function `read-buffer').  Each
> time you type in a new buffer name, it will be added to the history.
> Thus, there isn't anything special you need to do to turn it on other
> than use it.
> 
> I hope this explanation makes things clearer.

Doesn't seem to be what happens for me. I use C-x b (and others)
extensively and buffer-history remains nil.

Bill.

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>>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:


  Erik> [...] `append' (and `nconc') has to traverse the list every time you
  Erik> append some value to the list.  that is, for a list N long, they need
  Erik> to do N `cdr's.  when N grows, we find that the upper bound on the
  Erik> execution time is proportional to N.  that is, `append' has order N,
  Erik> written O(N). in contrast, `cons' is O(1), 

  Erik> [... very interesting contents follows ...]

This  post is great, is there some manual available online discussing such
performance considerations ? I write some Elisp myself though I did not learn
Lisp at school and was not aware at all of these differences.

Thanks for these interesting explanations,

Oscar

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I've read the info-file on w3. As it stands starting the browser
points to a url and hangs because httpd and pppd weren't started.
The info-file on w3 advise to add a default start-up file in .emacs
but I could not figure out what the syntax should be. Any help
would be appreciated. Thanks.

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From: Stephen Bowlzer <Steve.Bowlzer@durham.ac.uk>
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Hello

I am a fairly new user of XEmacs (and Emacs generally) and I've been trying 
to get AucTeX to work on my system. I am using XEmacs 19.14 under Solaris2.4 
on a Sparc Sun. I installed the precompiled binaries for XEmacs and everything 
works fine in all modes. I've compiled AucTeX (version 9.5a) and installed it 
according to the installation notes provided. However, when I start XEmacs, 
and try to load a LaTeX file, I get an error message;

File mode specification error: (void-function easy-menu-create-keymaps)

in the minibuffer.

Looking in the PROBLEMS file included with AucTeX revealed that I needed 
easymenu.el (or auc-menu.el renamed as easymenu.el). I tried both of these 
files and get the same error messages, namely;

Wrong type argument: listp, #<keymap "Face" 1 entry 0xb93>

when starting XEmacs, and

File mode specification error: (wrong-type-argument consp #<keymap "LaTeX" 
4 entries 0xce3>)

when opening a LaTeX file.

Has anyone got AucTex to work successfully with XEmacs, or solved a similar 
problem? If so, please can you point me towards a solution. I'm afraid I 
don't know enough about elisp (yet) to figure this one out on my own.

Thanks in advance

Steve

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badii@cvax.psi.ch writes:

	> From the few, generally friendly answers I got after my post, it
	> seems clear that people would like scroll-in-place to be the default
	> scrolling method in (X)emacs.
	> 
	> The experts may tell us whether this is a good idea or not.

I think that `scroll-in-place' should be default (eventually), or at least more
well-known.

Currently, there are two principal barriers to making `scroll-in-place' the
default behvaior: incompatibilities with certain packages that do their own
scrolling (VM, Gnus, list-mode), and `scroll-in-place's general ignorance of
variable-height lines in XEmacs.  I am going to take up the charge again to see
how these problems can be resolved.

Until these problems are solved, `scroll-in-place' probably shouldn't be the
default behavior.

Eric.

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(reposted with some corrections.)

* Hrvoje Niksic
| E.g. there is one thing bugging me.  If I want to append things to a
| list, should I do it with append or with nconc?  nconc should be faster,
| but nconc will not append to an empty list.  The code I want is:
| 
| (setq lst nil)
| (while condition
|   (...process and bind variable x...)
|   (nconc lst (list x)))

do it in two steps.  first, `cons' all the elements onto the head of the
list in the while loop.  second, `reverse' (or, `nreverse') the list when
you return it.

    (let ((list ()))
      (while ...
	...
	(push ... list))
      (nreverse list))

(push object list) expands to (setq list (cons object list)), but it can
push onto any list, not just variables.  (require 'cl) to get it.

note that the above form _returns_ the list as its value.

you should never `setq' an unbound variable if the intention is only to use
the value locally.

| The same thing with append would look like:
| 
| (while condition
|   (...process and bind variable x...)
|   (setq lst (append lst (list x))))
| 
| Will this be slower than the first solution?  All this setq-ing seems
| to imply an amount of copying, but since append doesn't copy its last
| arguments, and setq does not deep-copy a list, the whole form should
| only move pointers around, and be fast enough.  What do you think?

`append' (and `nconc') has to traverse the list every time you append some
value to the list.  that is, for a list N long, they need to do N `cdr's.
when N grows, we find that the upper bound on the execution time is
proportional to N.  that is, `append' has order N, written O(N).

in contrast, `cons' is O(1), i.e., it requires constant time, and `reverse'
is O(N), but you perform the O(N) operation outside the loop, and the O(1)
inside, so the whole operation is proportional to the length of the list,
or O(N).  your `append' example would perform the O(N) operation N times,
and we can show that the upper bound on the execution time is proportional
to N (i.e., N squared for ISO 8859-1 challenged readers), or O(N).

if you add only a small number of elements to a list, O(N) or O(N) won't
matter.  in particular, if the constant k of proportionality is greater
than N, we get kO(N) > O(N), and O(N) would be faster.  assuming no other
constants, "cons+reverse" has a k of 2, and "append" has a k of  (one-half
for ISO 8859-1 challenged readers), since, on average, `append' has to scan
over half the elements of the list.  we find that for a list of than more
four elements, "cons+reverse" wins over "append".  this is in terms of CPU
usage.

similar comparisons can be made with space.  "cons+reverse" uses space
proportional to N.  `cons' uses constant space.  `reverse' uses N space for
all the fresh cons cells, while `nreverse' (n for non-consing) uses no new
space, so N O(1) and 1 O(N) give an upper bound proportional to N, i.e.,
O(N), but k is 2 for `reverse'.  the `append' solution will have to use new
cons cells all the time, and `list' is likewise O(1), while the `append' is
O(N), since it copies all the cons cells, so N (O(1) +  O(N)) gives O(N),
but k is again .  using `nconc', however, we find that the only consing
operation is `list'.

so we have
		    time	space	    garbage
"cons+reverse"	    2 O(N)	2 O(N)	    O(N)
"cons+nreverse"     2 O(N)	  O(N)	    -
"append"	     O(N)	 O(N)	     O(N) - N
"nconc"		     O(N)	  O(N)	    -

as long as we count only cons cells, O(N) = N.  leaving a lot of garbage
behind is not nice in Lisp, either.

for space and time considerations in the general case, "cons+nreverse" uses
O(N) time and O(N) space, and is sufficiently nice for common needs.

Lisp novices use `append' or `nconc' in loops.  if an experienced Lisp
programmer uses them, look very carefully for the reason why they are the
best choice.

if the list is _very_ long lists, the constant of proportionality becomes
important if it is greater than 1, and if we can find a more complex
function that reduces it, we do.  this function is O(N) in both time and
space, but is a little harder to write correctly and understand.

(let* ((list (list first-case))
       (tail list))
  (while remaining-cases
    (setq tail (setcdr tail (list ...))))
  list)

COMPATIBILITY NOTE: Common Lisp's `rplacd' (which Emacs Lisp also has, but
which I did not use because of the confusion) returns the modified cons
cell, while Emacs Lisp's `setcdr' returns the new cdr.  in Common Lisp, one
would write:

    (setf tail (setf (cdr tail) (list ...)))

since `setf' returns the new value, or

    (setf (cdr tail) (list ...))
    (setf tail (cdr tail))

to be explicit.  a sufficiently smart compiler would recognize and exploit
the fact that the value of (cdr tail) could not change between these forms.

#\Erik
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For some reason java-mode supplied with xemacs-19.14 runs very slowly on
my Alpha workstation.  This is mainly in the form of periodic pauses, as
if garbage collection was being performed, mostly when I page up or
down, or don't touch a key for a while. 

Has anyone alse noticed this? I have no problem whatsoever with the
other modes (Perl, C, HTML), and it doesn't appear to be related to
buffer size.  It's getting seriously frustrating - to the stage that
I've almost considered vi for editing java source! Is there an
alternative java mode that's faster?

Chris


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From: Shane Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com>
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>>>>> "Steven" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

  Steven> Shane Holder posted a benchmark utility to this newsgroup a
  Steven> few days ago, and I'd like to comment on it.  (It is
  Steven> *wonderful* news).

Glad to make you happy. :)

  Steven> First of all Shane, thank you for providing the benchmark.
  Steven> The biggest comment I have is that it appears to only cover
  Steven> display performance.  If you want to do more tests, I would
  Steven> recommend doing various non-display computational sorts of
  Steven> things.

I'd be happy to incorporate any suggestions you have.  I was most
interested in display stuff, because that was what I had problems
with.  I'll to do others, and I'd like some suggestions.  As you
can see in the code, I'd like to do a sorting bench, but I've got to
figure out how to generate a file.  I'd also like to do a regexp
search bench.

  Steven> Anyway, here are the results I got running it: (19.34 -vs-
  Steven> 19.14[1]) compiled with similar optimization settings (-O4,
  Steven> Linux/ELF 2.0 kernel, on a slow, stupid Cyrix 486/66).

I'm compiling a list of bench marks if anyone wants to send me some
more times.

  Steven> The XEmacs byte compiler is optimizing and the 19.34
  Steven> byte-compiler is not.  Turning off byte-compiler
  Steven> optimization via:

I didn't know that. I'll use your changes

  Steven> Now, XEmacs is slower on each of the larger bench marks
  Steven> except the make-frame one.  And markedly slower when
  Steven> displaying is involved.  I'd say this is very strong
  Steven> evidence that the XEmacs performance problem is solely tied
  Steven> up in the display.  Until the display is turned off totally
  Steven> I'm willing to discount the differences in performance of
  Steven> the other tests as well, since the byte-compile test
  Steven> involves a fair amount of scribbling to the minibuffer.

I agree with the comment about XEmacs performance problems being in
display, but could you clarify your comment about turning off the
display?  Since the display is what the user interacts with that's
what I see as being most important in being fast.  Other things can be
slow and the user might not even notice.  Typing faster than XEmacs
can keep up is not an acceptable "slowness".  Now, it is possible that
it's mostly related to my machine:

   HP 715/60 96M ram 64k cache

I've got a bench on a DEC Alpha, and the DEC times for XEmacs are
comparable to my times for Emacs on my HP.  Maybe it's my piss poor
cache that's killing me.

  Steven> We already know there were problems with the display code,
  Steven> it is good to see that the engine appears to perform
  Steven> comparably, and once we lick the display, we should be on a
  Steven> par speed-wise with Emacs again.

That'll be great.  I really like XEmacs, and would like to start using
it again, I pull it up every once in a while for nostalgia's sake. :)
 
-- 
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Hewlett Packard                               phone:     (214)497-4182
3000 Waterview                       Never underestimate the bandwidth
Richardson, TX 75083                 of a truck moving at 70 MPH.

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David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

>> I have to add myself to the class of users that finds gratuitous colors a=
>nd
>> inefficient GUI's evil.  Once I've started Emacs up I generally park the
>> mouse and never touch it again except to click the occasional URL or
>> hypertext cross-reference (I'm not an anti-GUI purist).
>
>Yes, but for *learning* users colors, mouses, menus etc. are helpful.
>Emacs is near to unusable for newbies, unless they vigorously plan to
>invest a lot of time to *first* become an adept of Emacs, *then* a
>user of it.

This is an important point.  I don't use the Emacs GUI, but I use the
GUI on Netscape & my window manager almost exclusively, because it's
easier for me to take some time to find a menu item than to fit yet
another command set into my head.

Emacs seems to have the right idea on simple GUI use - menus,
slidebars, etc.  that are configurable and *removable*.  After a
newbie learns a faster way to call a command, it can remove it from a
menu or console of buttons.  This reduces the clutter that makes so
many GUIs worthless.

I also dearly love the ability to type a command name into Emacs.
When commands are well named (library-function or
library-functiontype-function), it's almost like having a "logical
GUI" in my head, because I have a dictionary of commands.

Heck, I don't even know if "ediff-regions-linewise" is mapped to "2
C-x M-H-@" or whatever.  When I learned how to use the Ediff library,
I invoked it with "M-x ediff-regions-linewise".  Now I invoke it with
"M-x e-r-l", since that's good enough for Emacs.

If I forget how a ediff's commands are organized, I type "M-x
ediff-" and see a list of completions that I can further refine.  A
mouseless GUI!

Am I preaching to the choir here?  I find this to be a crucial point
because Emacs is developed by its users.  I am an emacangelist because
the more people using Emacs, the more ideas on how to improve it will
trickle around.  Making Emacs more user-friendly will only help this.

>> I also seem to be one of the few people I know who doesn't suffer from so=
>me
>> sort of RSI after nearly two decades of programming (knock wood).

I am affected by RSI, but I find the keyboard to be a much more
ergonomic input device than a mouse.

>David Kastrup                                     Phone: +49-234-700-5570

karla@celtech.com      Karl Anderson      <URL:http://www.reed.edu/~karl>

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In message <ywrk9rjqq0e.fsf@ouzo.cs.utah.edu> you write:
...
>I think that `scroll-in-place' should be default (eventually), or at least more
>well-known.

That can be solved easily by putting an entry in the default menus to
enable and disable it.  Then newer users will be made aware of it
without having to risk breaking a bunch of other stuff.

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Greetings,

I think I would like to set up some virtual folders to
select certain messages when using vm, but I'm unsure
as to how to format the setq statement in my .vm file.

Anyone care to give me an example setq vm-virtual-folder-alist?

TIA,


-- Kevin
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I have a rather long sound file to notify me of incoming email in VM,
which locks up XEmacs while it is playing.  How can I put this thing
in the background? 

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  "Anders" == Anders Magnusson <Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se> writes:

Anders> One ore question as I'm at it. Can I get different
Anders> highlighting in the summary buffer for messages with different
Anders> score, now I get boldface if >0 and italic if <0. Maybe you
Anders> could even include a nice example of highlighting :-).

Use the gnus-summary-highlight variable, eg

      gnus-summary-highlight '(((eq mark gnus-ticked-mark) . italic)
           ((eq mark gnus-catchup-mark) . font-lock-keyword-face)
           ((eq mark gnus-killed-mark) . font-lock-keyword-face)
           ((eq mark gnus-kill-file-mark) . font-lock-keyword-face)        
           ((eq mark gnus-replied-mark) . font-lock-reference-face)
           ((eq mark gnus-saved-mark) . font-lock-function-name)
           ((eq mark gnus-read-mark) . font-lock-other-type-face)
           ((> score default) . message-header-contents))

which colours messages according to whether they have been read,
killed, etc (use any faces you please, i tend to recycle ones I use
elsewhere)

As a point, I note that there is clearly a precendece effect in
ths variable, for example I never see  the "saved" face as the
article takes the "read" face (damn difficult to decide you want to
save an article without reading it :-) )

Frossie
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From: Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>
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Subject: Re: miscellaneous newbie questions
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MK> == Mark Krischer <mkrisch@dosido.bbn.com>

 MK> is it possible to make the default font, mode dependant.

Yes.

I use a mode hook that sets the face-font specifier for the current
buffer, as follows:

(defun ckd-html-mode-tweaks ()
  "Set up HTML buffers my way."
;;; some other code deleted
  (set-face-font 'default
		 "-adobe-new century schoolbook-medium-r-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"
		 (current-buffer))
;;; more set-face-font calls deleted
  (auto-show-mode -1))

That's not really making it mode dependent, it's making it buffer
dependent but changing it based on the mode of the buffer.  Sort of.

Does what you want it to, though. :)

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>>>>> "David" == David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

David> I'm afraid I have to take Erik into defense on a few poins here...

David> sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber
David> [Mr. Preprocessor]) writes:

>> - Very few people (and that seems to be including Erik)

David> Not quite.  He *has* mentioned quite a few interesting things about
David> the origins of Lucid Emacs, and seems to be quite in the know,
David> although he sees this by necessity from his side.

Well, I do know a few more things as well.  I've read most of the
actual mail exchange, but that still leaves many questions open.  But
neither Erik nor I was directly involved (a trivial fact), so all
claims on my or Erik's part would be pure speculation.  Certainly some
of the main parties (RMS himself and jwz) have not been very objective
about the matter.

>> - The XEmacs redisplay engine is inherently slower than the GNU
>> Emacs
>> one because it is more powerful (or provides more features,
>> whichever way you want to phrase it).

David> IMO, this is an invalid reasoning: the running speed of a system
David> should be shaped by the complexity of the task it is currently doing,
David> not by the complexity of the tasks it could accomplish as
David> well. 

It *is* doing more at almost all times.  Look at it ...  (Partial
lines is just one example.)

David> The XEmacs display engine was a redesign (due to more
David> requirements as well, of course), and this redesign has not yet
David> reached the efficiency one'd want from it. 

Agreed.

David> [ ... ] Hey, that was the point I was trying to make!

I think we have no actual arguments.  (Hey, cool ...)  Must be us
damn fucking Germans, Erik ...

Cheers =8-} Mike

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Etags seems to be missing from my installation...what am I doing
wrong?  Everything else appears to have installed correctly.

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>>>>> "Roland" == Roland Heumesser <rolandh@scirocco.bbn.hp.com> writes:

    Roland> If I try to edit a file on my NT system using ange-ftp (from my HP-UX 10.10 
    Roland> System) I allways get no permissions for any file.

    Roland> If I do a ftp by commandline I can get and put it without any problems.
    Roland> What's the problem with Xemacs 19.14?

    Roland> Any Help, comments, jokes?

'efs' will work.  I've forgotten where to find it.  Anyone?

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From: berliner@netcom.com (Guy Berliner)
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I'm running XEmacs 19.13 as part of InfoDock 3.4
on Linux 1.2.13. When I try to set the background
of the frame to black, all the backgrounds of the
syntax-highlighting fonts remain in this butt-ugly
"wheat" color. So I tried manually setting each of
them with "M-x set-face-background" to my desired
value of "black". But this has no  effect, and
XEmacs seemingly refuses to change the color to
anything other than the accursed "wheat". Anyone
have any ideas for me?

Guy Berliner
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From: Kiril Vidimce <vkire@erc.msstate.edu>
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Subject: Adding a new mode
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:43:32 -0600
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I am trying to add a new mode in xemacs. I've placed the
.el file in the lisp/modes directory, byte-compiled it and
I've placed the following line in my .xemacs-options file:

(setq auto-mode-alist 
     (append '(("\\.my\\'" . my-mode)) auto-mode-alist))

Still, xemacs doesn't load the appropriate mode when I load
a file with .my extension, and plus - if I try to load the
mode with M-x, it's not on the list... What do I need to
do in order to make xemacs be aware of the new mode?

Thanks.

KV
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	Dear xemacs users,

	I have found xemacs (v 19.14) very useful, especially the gnuserver
application.  I am currently using it on my sun sparc solaris 2.4 at work
and Linux 2 at home.

	I have encountered two problems:

	1. setting font size and then saving options do not work: 
I want to use font size 10 (xemacs starts with 12). I choose fontsize
to ten via options menu and then save the options via ``save options''
selection. Xemacs ignores my saved selection and always starts with fontsize
12. 

	2. server-mode does not work on linux. When I activate
server-mode via M-x server-start, it says ``starting'' but without further
warnings I get the message ``server process exited''. When I 
try to run gnuclient, as expected it can't find any server.

	Any help & hints will be much appreciated.

	Please send your replies to my e-mail address: ASekerci@swin.edu.au

	Thanks in advance.

Ahmet Sekercioglu

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From: Michael Rohleder <mike@mroh.gun.de>
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Subject: Re: Java mode too slow!
Date: 19 Nov 1996 04:22:00 +0100
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Chris Mungall <cmungall@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> writes:

> For some reason java-mode supplied with xemacs-19.14 runs very slowly on
> my Alpha workstation.  This is mainly in the form of periodic pauses, as
> if garbage collection was being performed, mostly when I page up or
> down, or don't touch a key for a while. 

I have the same problem. And I also dont know whats going on...

Every mode is fine except this java-mode, that I need daily...

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David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

> >  - The XEmacs redisplay engine is inherently slower than the GNU
> > Emacs
> >   one because it is more powerful (or provides more features,
> >   whichever way you want to phrase it).
> 
> IMO, this is an invalid reasoning: the running speed of a system
> should be shaped by the complexity of the task it is currently doing,
> not by the complexity of the tasks it could accomplish as well.  

Ideally, yes, but is that commonly true?  Performing simple editing
tasks is something I occasionally do with vi because doing the same
with emacs would be slower, mostly because of startup time and, in the
case of very large files, swapping.  It's hard to argue that adding
features costs more than just programmer time, all other things
remaining equal: it costs code footprint (swapping and cache misses
can slow the program down), more decisions made and this more work per
iteration, the increased difficulty of optimizing code in the face of
more complex code, etc.

"The task it is currently doing" can be seen on many levels.  At a
high level, editing a file is editing a file.  But "the task it is
currently doing" could easily be re-stated as "performing simple tasks
in a complex but flexible way so that it may remain ready for the
complex tasks it may do later."  As argued above, that's usually more
expensive than doing things in a less complex and less flexible way.

regards,
  -- Robert

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Shane Holder <holder@mordor.rsn.hp.com> writes:

> Typing faster than XEmacs
> can keep up is not an acceptable "slowness".  Now, it is possible that
> it's mostly related to my machine:
> 
>    HP 715/60 96M ram 64k cache

Really!  This actually suprises me a bit...  I've worked with HPs for
a long time (well...  I used to...)  I had no problems with XEmacs
ever keeping up with me on anything from a 715/50 to a 715/80 and I
generally type something like 80-90 words a minute when I'm really
flying (ie, not thinking about what I'm typing).

Granted, I'm having a bit more of a problem with it on a really slow
sun4 running over Mac eXodus (*whimper*) but I'm hoping for a new
Alpha myself in the near future...

Wes

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>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Bowlzer <Steve.Bowlzer@durham.ac.uk> writes:

    Stephen> Hello I am a fairly new user of XEmacs (and Emacs
    Stephen> generally) and I've been trying to get AucTeX to work on
    Stephen> my system. I am using XEmacs 19.14 under Solaris2.4 on a
    Stephen> Sparc Sun. I installed the precompiled binaries for
    Stephen> XEmacs and everything works fine in all modes. I've
    Stephen> compiled AucTeX (version 9.5a) and installed it according
    Stephen> to the installation notes provided. However, when I start
    Stephen> XEmacs, and try to load a LaTeX file, I get an error
    Stephen> message;

    Stephen> File mode specification error: (void-function
    Stephen> easy-menu-create-keymaps)

[...]

[Don't know if this is in the FAQ, but I guess it should be]
You should use use the easymenu package provided by XEmacs, and no
other. easymenu is a compatibility package which is differet from one
emacs to the other.

use locate-library to see which one XEmacs is picking for you. If it
is not using [xemacsdir]/lisp/utils/easymenu.el, then you're probably
using the wrong one.

Richard.

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 Did anyone tryied to run compiled version of xemacs 6.2/5.3 on 6.3 ? 

Xemacs crashes here when I try to do this.

Do you think I have to compile xemacs on 6.3 ?

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Is it possible to edit simultaneously several files in Xemacs or in
GNU Emacs 19.- ? How can this be done?
I suspect that this is possible but can't find a way.
Dimitris Logothetis

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Ahmet Sekercioglu  <yas@scrooge.ee.swin.oz.au> writes:
>       1. setting font size and then saving options do not work: 

        simple, but obscure... 1st, in the menubar, click 
                "Options=>Menubar Appearance=>Frame-Local Font Menu"
        it must be _deactivated_; 2nd, edit the fonts as you like;
        3rd, save the options
> 
>       2. server-mode does not work on linux. When I activate
> server-mode via M-x server-start, it says ``starting'' but without further
> warnings I get the message ``server process exited''. When I 
> try to run gnuclient, as expected it can't find any server.

        sorry, i don't know; it seems to me that starting the server
        via C-u M-x server-start outputs diagnostics to a buffer, you
        should look at the gnuserver man page, or at the lisp sources,
        that are heavily commented

hth,
                                                                gb

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Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
> do it in two steps.  first, `cons' all the elements onto the head of the
> list in the while loop.  second, `reverse' (or, `nreverse') the list when
> you return it.

Yes, provided `nreverse' isn't too slow.  But you deal with it later.

> you should never `setq' an unbound variable if the intention is only to use
> the value locally.

But I use it later, too.  `lst' is actually something like
`sigs-list', and I dropped the part where `x' is let.

> in contrast, `cons' is O(1), i.e., it requires constant time, and `reverse'
> is O(N), but you perform the O(N) operation outside the loop, and the O(1)
> inside, so the whole operation is proportional to the length of the list,

Ah, clever! :-)

> for space and time considerations in the general case, "cons+nreverse" uses
> O(N) time and O(N) space, and is sufficiently nice for common needs.

I'll use that.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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In article <rhj4tinsgu7.fsf@ml.com> Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

> Does anyone know if there is a variable that I can set
> so that the body of the message is automatically visible,
> instead of having to hit the space bar for every message?
> Is this the default behavior?

	Set vm-preview-lines to t or nil. See the documentation on
	vm-preview-lines for an explanation.

	jtp

Don't SANFORIZE me!!

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In article <m0vOPnn-000I2yC@bittersweet> "Karl M. Hegbloom" <karlheg@teleport.com> writes:

>  I've discovered something...  VM never crashes if I'm using FVWM2
> configured with randomplacement, so it maps new windows right away
> without me having to hand place them.  It bombs whenever a WM is
> configured for user placement.  ???

	Not for me. However, I'm using my own version of vtwm, so this
	may be a problem with fvwm2.

	jtp

A dwarf is passing out somewhere in Detroit!

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Setting the syntax of a character to `character quote' only works for
`forward-list' and friends, but does not force the next character to
lose its normal syntactic meaning (as it is stated in the info pages).

E.g., typing (where \237 is one character)

	\237( some text )

with point at \237 and executing `forward-list' works as expected
(giving an error) if I've set

	(modify-syntax-entry 159 "/" (standard-syntax-table))

but the following (in a buffer in Emacs-Lisp mode & font lock enabled)

	\237"STRING"

does (!) fontify STRING with font-lock-string-face (not expected)
whereas when using the syntax class `escape', it does not:

	(modify-syntax-entry 159 "\\" (standard-syntax-table))


...that wasn't the only bug with syntax tables, see previous postings
(`upcase' & iso)...

-- 
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David Kastrup <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:

> The argumentation was, as far as I remember, that RMS
> would not keep code in he could not test himself, and anyhow
> considered support for non-Unix systems a non-priority.

No, he wouldn't *port* the part of ange-ftp that he couldn't test
himself from the Emacs 18 overload mechanism to the Emacs 19 hook
mechanism.  He did request for volunteers to port the remaining code
soon after the first public release of Emacs 19, but at that point the
people with a direct interest in the code were already too pissed.

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xemacs 19.14: gdbsrc-mode: 'C-c C-c' does not work in gdb buffer while
'C-c C-z' does; menu:comint2 INT works also

i tried to define the keybinding on several places in my .emacs and in
the gdbsrc.el ( and some other .el files; and yes: i byte-compiled the
files after the change) . 

the keybinding works allways, if evaluated *after*
starting the gdbsrc-mode (with 'C-x e'), but it does not work
autmaticaly after starting gdbsrc.

any ideas ?

bodo
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From: Pete Forman <gsez020@nemo.bedford.waii.com>
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>>>>> "ido" == ido  <ido%robcad@uunet.uu.net> writes:

    ido>  Did anyone tryied to run compiled version of xemacs 6.2/5.3
    ido> on 6.3 ?

    ido> Xemacs crashes here when I try to do this.

    ido> Do you think I have to compile xemacs on 6.3 ?

Probably.  I've just upgraded from IRIX 6.1 to 6.2.  The 6.1 version
core dumped.  Recompiling fixed it.
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How do I display the line number/column CONTINUOUSLY for any file I edit. 
I have to re-enter the command every time I switch files?  Can .emacs be
modified to have Xemacs start up in this mode.

Thanks,
Dave
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Xemacs starts up quite snappily until it goes to load the
.xemacs-options file, which takes a full minute on my P133 w/ 40MB.
Is this common or is something wrong?  I would include the file except
that it's quite large (898 lines).  

thanks,
Chris.


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From: willlee@uclink4.berkeley.edu (William W. Lee)
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Hi,
	I am just wonder if there is any info. out there on the net
about  how to chop down the size of xemacs??  I install the program
and it took a a big chunk out of my hard drive.  I know some of the
features I will never use but I don't want to delete things blindly.
	Thanks.

Will 

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From: "Bill Keshlear" <billk@cyrix.com>
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Subject: dired auto update?
Date: 19 Nov 1996 18:02:35 +0200
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How do I get dired to automatically update it's buffers
each time I push into a directory, (i.e. do a "g")?
The problem is, I work with other people, and if they
add or delete files, etc. through unix, dired isn't
aware of the changes (until I do a "g").  This is
a constant irritation, otherwise I love dired.

There must be an easy workaround, but I haven't seen
it mentioned in the FAQ or elsewhere.

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From: scotth@visix.com (Scott Hofmann)
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>>>>> "i" == ido  <ido%robcad@uunet.uu.net> writes:

 i>  Did anyone tryied to run compiled version of xemacs 6.2/5.3 on 6.3 ? 

 i> Xemacs crashes here when I try to do this.

 i> Do you think I have to compile xemacs on 6.3 ?

You will need to build a fresh version of XEmacs to run it under IRIX 6.3 or
IRIX 6.2 with the POSIX compatibility patches installed. Something in the POSIX
1003.1c support breaks XEmacs if it's built under an unpatched IRIX 6.2.

scott

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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do you happen to know if the mailing list for edb, the Emacs DataBase,
has been discontinued, or has it moved from its previous address,

        edb-list@theory.lcs.mit.edu

to another site?

tia
                                                                gb

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From: Thomas Feuster <feuster@tp4.physik.uni-giessen.de>
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Ahmet Sekercioglu  <yas@scrooge.ee.swin.oz.au> writes:
>       2. server-mode does not work on linux. When I activate
> server-mode via M-x server-start, it says ``starting'' but without further
> warnings I get the message ``server process exited''. When I
> try to run gnuclient, as expected it can't find any server.

AFAIK in XEmacs-19.14 you should use

(gnuserv-start)

instead of  (server-start). Works for me on DEC ALPHA...

HTH,
Thomas
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From: njoneill@kapu.llnl.gov (Neil J. O'Neill)
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In article <56q9qp$p4l@mercury.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk>, Chris Mungall
<cmungall@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk> wrote:

> For some reason java-mode supplied with xemacs-19.14 runs very slowly on
> my Alpha workstation.  This is mainly in the form of periodic pauses, as
> if garbage collection was being performed, mostly when I page up or
> down, or don't touch a key for a while. 


I had the same problem on an SGI Indy.  After an hour playing with my
.emacs file I determined that the problem was the func-menu package.  After
deleting the stuff that loads func-menu, java-mode stopped having all those
5-sec pauses.

Perhaps some real emacs hacker can show us how to automatically deactivate
the func-menu package when java-mode is active.  Or is there a func-menu
(or should it be method-menu?) package that works with Java?

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Greetings,

Is there some repository of all of the various settings
that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?

I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
missing out on some great settings.

Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

TIA,

-- Kevin
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From: lewikk@aud.alcatel.com (Kevin K. Lewis)
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Subject: XTerm-like button3 help needed.
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I have my button3 setup to extend the region (I think I got that from
the FAQ).  But it's still not quite like an XTerm.  If I double click
in an XTerm to select something, extending the region with button3
extends to the entire s-exp.

Anyone have this working?  Basically, I'm trying to get the mouse
setup to be exactly like GNU Emacs (even the double-button3 cuts the
region thing).

Thanks for any help.

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From: Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr>
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William W. Lee (willlee@uclink4.berkeley.edu) wrote:
> 	I am just wonder if there is any info. out there on the net
> about  how to chop down the size of xemacs??  I install the program
> and it took a a big chunk out of my hard drive.  I know some of the
> features I will never use but I don't want to delete things blindly.

RTFAQ! :-)

The XEmacs FAQ has (among other things) some beautiful entries
regarding chopping XEmacs size.  I will repost them for convenience:

 Q2.0.2 XEmacs is too big

Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes: The 45MB of space required by
the installation directories can be reduced dramatically if desired.
Gzip all the .el files. Remove all the packages you'll never want to
use (or even ones you do like the two obsolete mailcrypts and Gnus 4
in 19.13). Remove the TexInfo manuals. Remove the Info (and use just
hardcopy versions of the manual). Remove most of the stuff in
etc. Remove or gzip all the source code. Gzip or remove the C source
code. Configure it so that copies are not made of the support
lisp. I'm not advocating any of these things, just pointing out ways
to reduce the disk requirements if desired.

Now examine the space used by directory:

0       /usr/local/bin/xemacs
2048    /usr/local/bin/xemacs-19.13

1546    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-miranova-sco3.2v4.2
1158    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/i486-unknown-linux1.2.13

You need to keep these. XEmacs isn't stripped by default in
installation, you should consider stripping. That will save you about
5MB right there.

207     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/w3
122     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sounds
18      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/sparcworks
159     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/vm
6       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/e
21      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/eos
172     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/toolbar
61      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/ns
43      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc/gnus

These are support directories for various packages. In general they
match a directory under ./xemacs-19.13/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/. If you
do not require the package, you may delete or gzip the support too.

1959    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/etc
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340     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/calendar
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2276    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/packages
1040    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/prim
176     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/pcl-cvs
154     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/rmail
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/epoch
45      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/term
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851     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vm
13      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/vms
157     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/x11
19      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/tooltalk
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291     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/games
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55      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/iso
59      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mailcrypt
187     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/eterm
356     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/ediff
408     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole/kotl
1262    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hyperbole
247     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/hm--html-menus
161     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/mh-e
299     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/viper
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-x
4       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/DocWindow.nib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/InfoPanel.nib
3       /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj/TreeView.nib
11      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx/English.lproj
53      /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr/tree-nx
466     /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp/oobr
14142   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

These are all Emacs Lisp source code and bytecompiled object code. You
may safely gzip everything named *.el here. You may remove any package
you don't use. Nothing bad will happen if you delete a package that
you do not use. You must be sure you do not use it though, so be
conservative at first.

Possible candidates for deletion include w3 (newer versions exist, or
you may just use Lynx or Netscape for web browsing), games, hyperbole,
mh-e, hm--html-menus (better packages exist), vm, viper, oobr, gnus
(new versions exist), etc. Ask yourself, Do I ever want to use this
package? If the answer is no, then it is a candidate for removal.

First, gzip all the .el files. Then go about package by package and
start gzipping the .elc files. Then run XEmacs and do whatever it is
you normally do. If nothing bad happens, then delete the directory. Be
conservative about deleting directories, and it would be handy to have
a backup tape around in case you get too zealous.

prim, modes, packages, and utils are four directories you definitely
do not want to delete, although certain packages can be removed from
them if you do not use them.

1972    /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/info

These are online texinfo sources. You may either gzip them or remove
them. In either case, C-h i (info mode) will no longer work.

20778   /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13

The 20MB achieved is less than half of what the full distribution
takes up, and can be achieved without deleting a single file.

giacomo boffi <boffi@hp735.stru.polimi.it> provides this procedure:
Substitute /usr/local/lib/ with the path where the xemacs tree is
rooted, then use this script:

#!/bin/sh

r=/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.13/lisp

cd $r ; rm -f cmpr ; touch cmpr

du -s .

for d in * ; do
  if test -d $d ; then
    cd $d
    for f in *.el ; do
#     compress (remove) only (ONLY) the sources that have a
#     corresponding compiled file --- do not (DO NOT) touch other
#     sources
      if test -f ${f}c ; then gzip -v9 $f >> $r/cmpr ; fi
    done
    cd ..
  fi
done

du -s .

A step beyond would be substituting "rm -f" for "gzip -v9", but you
have to be desperate for removing the sources (remember that emacs can
access compressed files transparently). Also, a good megabyte could
easily be trimmed from the $r/../etc directory, e.g., the termcap
files, some O+NEWS, others that I don't remember as well.

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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Kevin Penrose (kpenrose@ml.com) wrote:
> Is there some repository of all of the various settings
> that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
> I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
> incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
> missing out on some great settings.
> Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
> you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

Tell anyone if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll
keep picking from other .emacs-es. :-)

P.S.

My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
grow.

-- 
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--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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       the Emacs religion.

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Kevin Penrose (kpenrose@ml.com) wrote:
> Is there some repository of all of the various settings
> that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
> I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
> incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
> missing out on some great settings.
> Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
> you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
picking from other .emacs-es. :-)

P.S.

My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
grow.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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       the Emacs religion.

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  "David" == David Garner <daveg@crosslink.net> writes:

David> How do I display the line number/column CONTINUOUSLY for any
David> file I edit.  I have to re-enter the command every time I
David> switch files?  Can .emacs be modified to have Xemacs start up
David> in this mode.

in your .emacs:

(display-column-mode t)

Frossie
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Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

> Is there some repository of all of the various settings
> that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
> 
> I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
> incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
> missing out on some great settings.
> 
> Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
> you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

This brings to mind an exchange a while ago:

Initial statement:

"One could conceivably spend a lifetime configuring Emacs."

Response:

"What do you mean, 'conceivably'?"

--
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                       |                        - Robert Fripp

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Ricardo Marek wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Does somebody have the changes to do in the startup files in order to
> get the ps-print in XEmacs-19.14 to give the same results than in XEmacs-19.13?
> 
> In XEmacs-19.13 I was able to print files on a B&W postscript printer
> with nice results for each face used in the buffer/region being
> printed. (Bold for reserved words, Italics for comments, Bold-italics
> for function/macro names, etc). Now, in XEmacs-19.14 I get page with
> the same face for reserved words, comments, function/macro names, etc.
> 
> I have applied the different patches from the FAQ and mailing-list,
> but nothing appears to be fixed.
> 
> Switching to a color printing option, I get faces, but a damm
> background for comments, reserved words, strings that make the code
> almost unreadable. (foreground and background are almost the same.)
> 
> My frame background is White-Smoke and the Foreground is changed according
> to the different faces.
> 
> Any hint?
> 

(setq ps-print-color-p nil)

> TIA.
> 
> --- Ricky                            -*- Mode: Another-Unix-Hacker -*-
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> wrote:
>* Ray Auchterlounie
>| I don't think anyone in this thread has been advocating _forcing_ people
>| to use colours and/or GUIs, they want choice, just like you.

>if they (XEmacs folks, GUI designers, etc) were in favor of choice, they
>would have separated out the functionality from the user interface, and
>built an interface to the functionality apart from the user interface.

Possibly, on the other hand if they weren't in favour of choice they
wouldn't have added tty support to what was originally an X product.
If I switch to XEmacs it will be because it offers me more choice.

In my view both XEmacs _and_ GNU Emacs missed the opportunity of
separating the text-procesing engine from the display/UI. TkEmacs
showed the sort of thing that could be done, back in the days of 
Emacs 18. You could/can have Emacs running on one machine and the 
emacs (G)UI (or some of it - TkEmacs only does the menus and
scrollbars) on another - extremely useful over slow network links. 

I sometimes wonder where a high-level Emacs display-input protocol
would be today, had it arrived with Emacs 19, five years ahead of
Broadway, ActiveX, et. al.

>they didn't.  (some think that OLE or DDE (or whatever TLA is in vogue
>today) is the way to go.  it isn't.)

Does that mean that CORBA is (because it has five letters ?) ? :)

>| Unfortunately you, and some, at least, of the GNU Emacs developers seem
>| to want Emacs to offer only the choices they agree with.

>how the hell did this "seem to be"?  GNU Emacs would like to use the XEmacs

Because it "seems" to be very difficult for users to get features they
want, and have written, into Emacs. I vaguely recall that it took a
long time and a lot of heated argument to get flow-ctrl.el included
(but my recollections are vague - that is quite some time ago). MULE,
AIUI is still not included because it does not do what the developers
want (unicode ?), despite the fact that it does do what many users want. 

You snipped my example of the Emacs scrollbar.

This "seems to be" _is_ my personal impression, but I know that I am
not alone in getting this impression.

[...]
>sigh.  I give up.  it isn't _my_ problem that fools like you have to put
>words in my mouth and tell me that I "insist that black and white should be
>the only choice".  I NEVER HAVE, AND I NEVER WILL insist on that.  OK?  can
>you at least try to _remember_ that, now?

So do you consider it a bug that Emacs does, despite any form of
*scrollbar X resource settings ?

>| Yet, when this happens to GNU / FSF software the authors start yelling
>| that competition is bad and forked versions are evil etc. etc. 

>your summary of this is as good as you imputing to me that insist that
>black and white be the only choice.  in other words, you're lying, and you
>know it.  (or you're an idiot, your choice.)  competition _is_ bad, but for
>an entirely different reason than you think.  competition requires that two
>or more teams implement the same functionality to "compete".  this is not
>only bad, it's monumentally stupid.

I disagree. What you say is (I think) mostly true for commercial
software, but with free software each team can study, learn from, and
even copy the other's implementation, or they can produce a different
implementation. Having two different implementations is not
necessarily bad either, very rarely will they contain exactly the same
features/bugs, so having both available can be very useful.

Linux and *BSD are very much in competition (in some sections of their
user base). Some things are re-implemented, some are shared, each
learns from the others, and each provides a slightly different product
at the end of the day. I am glad I have the choice.

>| Emacs could use the XEmacs code, just as other GNU projects use code
>| from elsewhere - it is GPL, and that is what the GPL is for after all.

>pay attention, dammit!  if you have to make summaries of things you don't
>understand, at least keep them to yourself.  Emacs _cannot_ use the XEmacs
>code.  you don't _know_ that the code is GPL'ed just because people say so.

You don't _know_ that you can use _any_ code unless you know, without
doubt, its full history - including any other code that any of its
authors might have had sight of at some time in their lives. This way
lies the clean room, and re-implementation.

If I cannot take code which says it is GPL and use it in a GPL work of
my own, without contacting all the original authors (assuming this is
possible) and getting explicit permission, then the GPL has failed IMO.

I note that GNU programs seem to have no problems with using code
under certain other copyrights... 
<duck> Perhaps such a copyright is more "free" than GPL... ? </duck>

[...]
>| If the code/features/ideas don't fit the Emacs grand design then they
>| would have been rejected anyway - at least they can be used in XEmacs.

>where and when did you learn of the grand design?  you have talked about
>twice, now, only in negative terms.  is it because you think it sounds
>suitably sarcastic to talk about you use it?  or is it because you would
>like to share some of your grasp of that grand design?

I learned of it in this very thread, it appeared first in an article
written by you IIRC. I would like to _get_ a grasp of it, since I
occaisionally tinker with Emacs it would be nice to do it the right
way, I believe someone else has already asked if there's a FAQ on it...

>| I am considering installing XEmacs, partly because of it's improved tty
>| support.  I am not going to work on implementing this in Emacs, not
>| because "I have XEmacs so why bother", but because it WAS impemented (at
>| least in part) for Emacs and WAS REJECTED.

>do you know this?  no, you don't.  was it rejected?  no, it wasn't.  it
>could not be implemented in Emacs because some idiots in the XEmacs camp
>had stomped all over the code just to implement it.  somebody is trying to
>port this XEmacs stuff back into Emacs, but what do the XEmacs folks do?

You are talking about the XEmacs display engine again, the patch I am
thinking of was for Emacs 19.25, at that time I believe XEmacs didn't
even have tty support (colour or otherwise). The XEmacs news file states:
  
   ** Major Differences Between 19.11 and 19.12
   [...]
   -- TTY support (includes face support)
   [...]
   -- more work on synching with FSF Emacs 19.28

So it looks to me like Emacs had colour tty support _before_ XEmacs,
which makes it more annoying that XEmacs has it now and Emacs doesn't.

The patch was announced on various Emacs newsgroups and was freely
available even if it wasn't officially submitted for inclusion in
Emacs, so why didn't it get included ?

[ I don't know why it didn't, which is one reason I wouldn't do any
work on re-implementing it ].

ray

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          seven and a half million years' work?" 

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>>>>> "Levent" == Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com> writes:

Levent> I have a rather long sound file to notify me of incoming email
Levent> in VM, which locks up XEmacs while it is playing.  How can I
Levent> put this thing in the background?

You're not (easily).  An alternative would be to spawn a subprocess
which plays the sounds, but then you're not using the built-in sound
capabilities.

This is just one of the things that could be made nicer if we had
threaded execution.
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>>>>> "Ahmet" == Ahmet Sekercioglu <yas@scrooge.ee.swin.oz.au> writes:

Ahmet> 	Dear xemacs users,

Ahmet> 	1. setting font size and then saving options do not work: 

Subject: Q3.0.7 My font selections don't get saved when I do a Save Options
[new]

   John Mann <mannj@ll.mit.edu> writes:
   You have to go to Options->Menubar Appearance and unselect Frame-Local
   Font Menu. If this option is selected, font changes are only applied
   to the current frame and do not get saved when you save options.
     _________________________________________________________________



Ahmet> 	2. server-mode does not work on linux. When I activate
Ahmet> server-mode via M-x server-start, it says ``starting'' but
Ahmet> without further warnings I get the message ``server process
Ahmet> exited''. When I try to run gnuclient, as expected it can't
Ahmet> find any server.

What version of Linux are you using?

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>>>>> "William" == William W Lee <willlee@uclink4.berkeley.edu> writes:

William> Hi,

William> I am just wonder if there is any info. out there on the net
William> about how to chop down the size of xemacs??  I install the
William> program and it took a a big chunk out of my hard drive.  I
William> know some of the features I will never use but I don't want
William> to delete things blindly.

See Part 2 of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_2
	http://www.xemacs.org/xemacs-installation.html#Q2_0_2

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>>>>> "Jean-Michel" == Jean-Michel Augusto <jma@acri.fr> writes:

Jean-Michel> Hi,

Jean-Michel> First at all, I want to say that XEmacs is wonderful.
Jean-Michel> Thanks to all the XEmacs developpers/testers/writers
Jean-Michel> etc... for their work.

Jean-Michel> 	I have just two questions :

Jean-Michel> 1- When is the 19.15 version scheduled ? some users on my
Jean-Michel> systems still use an old version. I wish to upgrade their
Jean-Michel> configuration to accept the new version. Should I use the
Jean-Michel> current or the next ?

There is no set schedule.  19.15 will be released when it's ready.
Stay tuned to part 6 of the XEmacs FAQ:
	http://www.miranva.com/~steve/xemacs-current.html
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-current.html

for late breaking details (current as of last weekend).

Jean-Michel> 2- The major 'problem' reported by users is the size of
Jean-Michel> Xemacs. I remember a discussion here about a 'light'
Jean-Michel> version of XEmacs with only few packages added. Is my
Jean-Michel> mind correct? Is that scheduled for the 19.15 version ?

No.  It has been pushed back a release.

Jean-Michel> 3- I try to compile the 19.15 version but I find no
Jean-Michel> starting point to determine which package is loaded at
Jean-Michel> startup. I wish to remove some of them never used by the
Jean-Michel> user on my site. I take a look at the FAQ but nothing
Jean-Michel> really clear. So, where can I find this ?

If that's the 19.15 beta, please don't address questions about beta
releases to comp.emacs.xemacs, address them to the xemacs-beta mailing
list.

It is unlikely that there is anything predumped with XEmacs that you
will wish to remove that cannot be removed by simply configuring for
the correct options.  Packages in the lisp directory that are not used
do not take up any space in the executable.

You may find a list of files loaded with XEmacs in two places.
src/Makefile, and lisp/prim/loadup.el.  Only the one in loadup.el
counts, the other just lists files whose documentation strings get put
into the DOC file.
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I found the appended message in the archive of the comp.emacs.xemacs
news group but no solution. =


I had the same problem on 19.13. I switched to
VM with XEmacs 19.14 on IRIX 5.3 and have the same problem with a new
message:

Signalling: (invalid-function (macro . #<compiled-function (from
"vm-misc.elc") nil "...(2)" [(and vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name
vm-mail-buffer) (error "Folder buffer has been killed.")) (set-buffer
vm-mail-buffer))] 1>))
  vm-select-folder-buffer()
  mc-vm-decrypt-message()
  #<compiled-function (from "mc-toplev.elc") nil "...(17)" [major-mode
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message in the current buffer.\n\nExact behavior depends on current
major mode." nil>()
  call-interactively(mc-decrypt)

Encrypting works fine. =


Thank you.
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From: de5@sws5.CTD.ORNL.Gov (Dave Sill)
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I'm using XEmacs 19.13 and the mailcrypt bundled with it. It works
fine under GNUS, and signing and encrypting work fine under VM, but
verifying or decrypting under VM gives an error:

Signalling: (invalid-function (macro . #<byte-code nil "=C0=87" [(and
vm-mail-buffer (or (buffer-name vm-mail-buffer) (error "Folder buffer
has been killed.")) (set-buffer vm-mail-buffer))] 1>))
  vm-select-folder-buffer()
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  #<byte-code nil "=08    =9E=A3=1A=C3\n=9E=A3=AE=81=C4=89=1D *=87" [majo=
r-mode mc-modes-alist
mode-alist verify mc-verify-signature func] 3 "*Verify a message in the
current buffer.\n\nExact behavior depends on current major mode." nil>()
  call-interactively(mc-verify)

I tried installing mailcrypt 3.4, but that seriously broke VM. There
was an error message about easy-menu and the INBOX summary showed 0
messages.

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
> 
> P.S.
> 
> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
> grow.

Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.

Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?

-- Gary F.

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>>>>> "Kiril" == Kiril Vidimce <vkire@erc.msstate.edu> writes:

Kiril> I am trying to add a new mode in xemacs. I've placed the
Kiril> .el file in the lisp/modes directory,

A better place to put site defined code like this is in the site-lisp
directory, usually located in /usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-lisp.  That
way it doesn't get overwritten or lost when you upgrade XEmacs.

Since that directory gets placed first in the load-path, files found
there take precedence over the standard files.

Kiril> byte-compiled it and
Kiril> I've placed the following line in my .xemacs-options file:

Kiril> (setq auto-mode-alist 
Kiril>      (append '(("\\.my\\'" . my-mode)) auto-mode-alist))

Add:
(autoload 'my-mode "my-mode")

Kiril> Still, xemacs doesn't load the appropriate mode when I load
Kiril> a file with .my extension, and plus - if I try to load the
Kiril> mode with M-x, it's not on the list... What do I need to
Kiril> do in order to make xemacs be aware of the new mode?

-- 
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From: Dave Stagner <david_stagner@ncs.com>
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I have an irritating problem... when my mouse passes over the menubar in
Xemacs 19.14 (AIX 3.2.5), the menu automatically pops up, whether I want
it to or not. I don't remember this "feature" with previous versions of
Xemacs. They don't go away until I click somewhere on the menubar,
either a menu selection or the blank space to the right of the available
menus. 

Worse, the popup menu stays in the foreground of my X session even if I
raise another window in front of it.  For example, if an Xemacs frame
overlaps an xterm and a menu is raised on the frame, then the menu is
still visible in front of the xterm, even if I raise the xterm over the
Xemacs frame.  

This just bugs the heck out of me, particularly since I often have
several frames open at once on various locations on the screen.  Xemacs
menus pop up accidentally while moving the mouse pointer from one window
to another.  

I initially figured this was some Xemacs "feature" that was defaulting
to a dumb value, so I went looking for the variable or function to turn
it off.  But, after an afternoon's exploration of the info files, my
.emacs and .xemacs-options, and the live variables in my Xemacs session,
I can't find anything anywhere that might turn it off.

Is this an Xemacs bug, an AIX-dependent bug, an undocumented feature, or
just something I"m too dense to find?  Any help would be appreciated.  I
rather like the menubar for some things, and I don't want to have to
turn it off completely just to get rid of this annoying behavior.

-- 
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Thanks for the replies.
I byte-comiled the *.el files in  ~/xemacs-19.14/lisp/mailcrypt
and it now works fine.

Thanks,
Bryan

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I found a bug in make-mode.el from XEmacs 19.14 that causes an attempt by
the font-lock stuff to call a function makefile-space-face.  This gives the
error:

    Symbol's function definition is void: makefile-space-face

I made the following patch to make-file.el and this fixes the problem:

--- make-mode.el.rik	Tue Nov 19 18:03:36 1996
+++ make-mode.el	Tue Nov 19 18:15:40 1996
@@ -245,7 +245,7 @@
 
    ;; Highlight shell comments that Make treats as commands,
    ;; since these can fool people.
-   '("^\t+#" makefile-space-face t)
+   '("^\t+#" 0 makefile-space-face t)
 
    ;; Highlight spaces that precede tabs.
    ;; They can make a tab fail to be effective.


[It looks like the mailing list archive at ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/mlists
hasn't been updated since 19.14 came out, so I wasn't able to check to see
if this has been reported.  Is there another archive?]

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Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] wrote:
> 
> Well, I do know a few more things as well.  I've read most of the
> actual mail exchange, but that still leaves many questions open.  But
> neither Erik nor I was directly involved (a trivial fact), so all
> claims on my or Erik's part would be pure speculation.  Certainly some
> of the main parties (RMS himself and jwz) have not been very objective
> about the matter.

Well if there are any questions you think I can answer, feel free to
ask.  

I think I've been 100% objective about the *facts* that I've described
(what happened when, etc) and I've tried to be as clear about what our
intent was and had always been (our = at least me, Lucid, Chuck, Ben,
MLY, RPG.)  

Anything other than that is opinion or interpretation, and such things
can by their nature never be objective.

I haven't hacked on [XL]Emacs since the 19.10 release in June 1994, so
I don't think I have much vested interest in this flame-war any more.
Except that I still think that we did what was right.

I find this latest flare-up really funny, actually, since I've been
thinking about and working on things that have such wider-ranging impact
than a cheesy little Unix editor that's only used by hackers.  It was a
fun and useful project, in its little way, but the politics of it all
now seems so pointless and trivial in hindsight.  You Unix-heads are all
about to be crushed under the heel of the Windows juggernaut anyway,
just like Unix crushed the Lisp Machines.  Ha ha.

-- 
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``The hateful :) means `just kidding' and is used by people who would
  dot their i's with little circles and should have their eyes dotted
  with Drano.''   -- Penn Jillette

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David Kastrup wrote:
> 
> I have heard that RMS got burned once already with a case
> where the employer whistled back some presumably GPL-ed code
> by one of its employees, so I can understand he's wary.

This could well be true, but the only story that I know of that roughly
matches this description is the case of the Gosling Emacs redisplay
engine.  And as I understand the situation, RMS had included code in GNU
Emacs which was *not* GPLed.  It was code that was copyrighted by James
Gosling, who later sold that code to Unipress.

So this wasn't a matter of using code which contained a license which
was incorrect/untrue.  It was a case of (and argument against) using
non-GPLed code.  I don't see how this incident in itself is an argument
for more stringent license requirements (if in fact it is) except in
that it might have made one more paranoid about the whole situtation.

	== Jamie

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    From: rms@mit-prep
    Date: 27 Jun 85 11:58:34 GMT

    Unfortunately, this will delay the the time you receive the GNU Emacs
    manual.   I'm sure Unipress is happy to have accomplished that.  

    Software sharers are happy if you get good software.  Software-hoarding
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    them, they want to close it off.  

Some people working on the Gnu project obviously feel that they are at odds
with UniPress, and that UniPress is doing everything in its power to damage
them.  If making UniPress be the bad guys, and imagining yourself to be
pitted against them for the good of all mankind, gives you the impetus you
need to write good software, it seems to have worked - Gnumacs is a
fantastic editor.   I suppose every cause needs a nemesis, but please
choose one that is really on the other side.

UniPress has no quarrel with the Gnu project.  It bothers me that people
seem to think we are trying to hinder it.  In fact, we hardly did or said
much at all, except to point out that the Gnumacs code had James Gosling's
copyright in it.  We have not done anything to keep anyone from using
Gnumacs, nor do we intend to now that it is "Gosling-free" (version
16.56).

You can consider this to be an official statement from UniPress:  There is
nothing in Gnumacs version 16.56 that could possibly cause UniPress to get
upset.  If you were afraid to use Gnumacs because you thought we would
hassle you, don't be, on the basis of version 16.56.  

Can we all please get back to our work now, and stop arguing about
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* Jamie Zawinski
| ... Unix editor ...
| ... Unix-heads ...

utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.

#\Erik
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Gary D. Foster (Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com) wrote:
> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> > Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
> > picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
> > P.S.
> > My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
> > grow.
> Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.

Hmph, do you keep Gnus settings in a separate file?  My .gnus is 2,639
bytes long, and sigs.el 1,801.  Even then, you beat me.  Darn!

> Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?

Of course. :-)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
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       the Emacs religion.

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> 
> Hmph, do you keep Gnus settings in a separate file?  My .gnus is 2,639
> bytes long, and sigs.el 1,801.  Even then, you beat me.  Darn!


For the most part.  I haven't migrated all my .gnus settings
completely out of .emacs yet, but most of 'em are there.  I'm just
under 1k on .gnus.  I also migrated some stuff out to my site-start.el
that really probably shouldn't oughta be there considering the fact
that a lot of people use stuff off my exported directories...

-- Gary F.

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Priorty 19.14, I used to modify menus by simply including
	(load "lna-menus" )
in my .emacs, which affected all frames subsequently created.

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I meant to say I am using
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but it seems like this only works for the first frame. It looks like
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--- Corrected earlier posting:

Priorty 19.14, I used to modify menus by simply including
	(load "lna-menus" )
in my .emacs, which affected all frames subsequently created.

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Is there a better way of initializing this than doing it for each
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---
(add-menu-button nil (`["Top" beginning-of-buffer t]))

(delete-menu-item `("Tools"))
(add-submenu nil `("Tools"
....
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[This is a special edition of the Gnus FAQ, as this is the very last
one I'll be posting.  The next editor will be Justin Sheehy
<dworkin@ccs.neu.edu>.  My heartfelt thanks go out to the others who
offered to take the FAQ on.  I'll be mirroring Justin's work as soon
as the changeover is completed, so old URL pointers will still work
for awhile.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who ever
emailed me a suggestion for new material, or who sent in corrections.
All input was appreciated.  If the FAQ has been useful to people, it
has been due to all the good input I got from the emacs community over
the past year or so while compiling it.

I'd like to offer special thanks to Per Abrahamsen
<abraham@dina.kvl.dk>, who provided much needed guidance throughout
the early going when I needed it the most.

I'm not leaving my current job, nor am I leaving the Usenet emacs
newsgroups and abandoning emacs & Gnus in case anyone was wondering. -sb]

                      Gnus 5.x Frequently Asked Questions
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Introduction

   This is the Gnus Frequently Asked Questions list.
   
   Gnus is a Usenet Newsreader and Electronic Mail User Agent implemented
   as a part of Emacs. It's been around in some form for over 6 years
   now, and has been distributed as a standard part of Emacs for much of
   that time. Gnus 5 is the latest (and greatest) incarnation. The
   original version was called GNUS, and was written by Masanobu UMEDA.
   When autumn crept up in '94, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen grew bored and
   decided to rewrite Gnus.
   
   Its biggest strength is the fact that it is extremely customizable. It
   is somewhat intimidating at first glance, but most of the complexity
   can be ignored until you're ready to take advantage of it. If you
   receive a reasonable volume of e-mail (you're on various mailing
   lists), or you would like to read high-volume mailing lists but cannot
   keep up with them, then you definitely want to investigate Gnus for
   reading mail.
   
   If you have a Web browser, the official hypertext version is at:
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. This version is
   much nicer than the unofficial hypertext versions that are archived at
   Utrecht, Oxford, Smart Pages, Ohio State, and other FAQ archives. See
   the resources question below if you want information on obtaining it
   in another format.
   
   The information contained here was compiled with the assistance of the
   Gnus development mailing list, and any errors or misprints are my
   (Steve Baur's) fault, sorry.
   
What's changed since last time?

    1. Added a question regarding counting lines in the .signature.
    2. Updated some of the ftp mirror locations.
       
   This file was last modified on November 16, 1996.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Table Of Contents

    1. Installation
          + Q1.1 What is the latest version? [updated]
          + Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?
          + Q1.3 What Emacs versions are required?
          + Q1.6 Unsubscribing from the mailing list
          + Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs? [updated]
          + Q1.8 What resources are available?
          + Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server.
          + Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work [updated]
          + Q1.11 What other packages can I use with Gnus? [updated]
          + Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster? [updated]
          + Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work
          + Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?
          + Q1.15 What is the difference between persistent and
            unexpirable messages? [new]
    2. Customizing Gnus
          + Q2.2 How do I quote messages?
          + Q2.4 Any suggestions for all.SCORE?
          + Q2.5 How do I use yank-through when replying?
          + Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser
          + Q2.9 Increasing score of favorite authors.
          + Q2.10 Multiple .signatures. [updated]
          + Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks.
          + Q2.12 Using Gnus and other packages.
          + Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories.
          + Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background color.
          + Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?
          + Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?
          + Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't
          + Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy? [updated]
    3. Reading News
          + Q3.1 Kill file to Score file conversion
          + Q3.2 Killing groups is slow
          + Q3.3 Using an authenticated NNTP server
          + Q3.4 Not reading the first article
          + Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary
            buffer?
          + Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked read.
          + Q3.7 How do I read already read messages? [updated]
          + Q3.8 How can nntp be evil?
    4. Reading Mail
          + Q4.1 What does buffer changed on disk mean?
          + Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?
          + Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?
          + Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?
          + Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups
          + Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible? [updated]
          + Q4.7 Group renumbering
          + Q4.8 Procmail and Gnus [new]
          + Q4.9 Getting new mail, but not new news [new]
       
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                1. Installation
                                       
   
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Subject: Q1.1 What is the latest version of Gnus? [updated]

   There are many different versions of Gnus available now. The latest
   (and greatest) general version is 5.2.40. While in alpha testing it
   was called September Gnus.
   
   Gnus 5.0.13 is included in the official distribution of Emacs
   19.30/19.31 and has a version number of 5.1. Do not attempt to use
   this release of Gnus with other Emacsen, as the necessary required
   support has been stripped out of it. Gnus 5.2.38 aka Gnus 5.3 is
   included in Emacs 19.32. Gnus 5.0.15 is the most recent version that
   will work with old emacsen like XEmacs 19.13.
   
   Gnus 5.2.25 is included standard with XEmacs 19.14.
   
   Red Gnus is the latest developmental version, and will have version
   numbers of 5.4 & 5.5 when released. It has lots of new stuff in it,
   including new backends for using search engines like Dejanews as a
   source of articles. Since it's developmental code, do not expect it to
   be stable.
   
   As of October 17, Red Gnus is in feature freeze, and the expected
   release date of Gnus 5.4 is late December.
   
   The next experimental version of Gnus has been named Mamey Sapote
   Gnus. If you really want to know why, take a look at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/why-mamey-sapote.html>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.2 Where do I get Gnus?

   The latest version is available via anonymous FTP or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/emacs/gnus/gnus.tar.gz>. You can also
   fetch it from the North American mirrors:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/ifi.uio.no/>,
   <URL:ftp://aphrodite.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/pub/ding-gnus/> or
   <URL:ftp://ftp.statsci.com/pub/users/scott/ding-gnus/>. The last site
   should only be used as a last resort.
   
   Or, get it from the South American mirror:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/news.software/gnus/>.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.3 Which version of Emacs do I need? [updated]

   Prior to Gnus 5.2, at least GNU Emacs 19.28, or XEmacs 19.12 was
   recommended. GNU Emacs 19.25 has been reported to work under certain
   circumstances, but it doesn't officially work on it. 19.27 has also
   been reported to work.
   
   Because of Gnus 5.2's use of Common Lisp features present only in
   late-model emacsen, it will only work with Emacs 19.30 or later, and
   XEmacs 19.14 or later.
   
   Gnus has been reported to work under VMS, OS/2, and Microsoft Windows
   NT 3.51, as well as Unix.
   
   OS/2 requires
(setq gnus-score-file-suffix "score")
(setq gnus-adaptive-file-suffix "adapt")

   in the user's .gnus.
   
   Ed Mccreary <forge@neosoft.com> writes:
   [For Microsoft Windows NT] Be sure to grab the nttcp.exe file needed
   to perform the winsock communication and configure emacs to use it
   instead of the default tcp. You will also need to put

(setq tcp-program-name "nttcp")

   in your _emacs file.
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   Actually, any TCP program will work. I have tcp.exe from the people
   who are doing win32 ports of Gnu software. I found it at
   <URL:ftp://microlib.cc.utexas.edu/microlib/nt/gnu/gnubin.tar.Z>. Be
   warned that this is a large (7mb) archive of all sorts of stuff,
   including (for some reason) all the e-lisp files you will ever want. I
   just downloaded it and extracted the functions I wanted.
   
   Ron Forrester <rjf@infograph.com> writes:
   With the release of GNU Emacs 19.31, Microsoft Windows '95 & NT users
   no longer need nttcp.exe as Emacs now has open-network-stream built
   in.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.6 How do I unsubscribe from the Mailing List?

   Send an e-mail message to <URL:mailto:ding-request@ifi.uio.no> with
   the magic word unsubscribe somewhere in it, and you will be removed.
   
   If you are reading the digest version of the list, send an e-mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with
   unsubscribe as the subject and you will be removed.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.7 How do I run Gnus on both Emacs and XEmacs? [updated]

   You don't. Gnus is distributed with both emacsen, use the version of
   Gnus that comes with your emacs.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.8 What resources are available?

   There is the newsgroup Gnu.emacs.gnus. Discussion of Gnus 5.x is now
   taking place there. There is also a mailing list, send mail to
   ding-request@ifi.uio.no with the magic word subscribe somewhere in it.
   NOTE: the traffic on this list is heavy so you may not want to be on
   it (unless you use Gnus as your mailer reader, that is). The mailing
   list is mainly for developers and testers.
   
   Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu> writes:
   Archives of the Ding mailing list are easily accessible by using
   gnus-group-make-archive-group, by default bound to G a in the Group
   buffer. This presents you with a group containing the 500 most recent
   articles from the mailing list. When called with a prefix argument, as
   in C-u G a, the entire (rather huge) archive is fetched. The archives
   are made available via FTP by Jason Tibbitts (tibbs@uh.edu); complain
   to him about problems with access. The magic of accessing the archives
   is provided by Gnus.
   
   A digestified version of the list is available by sending a mail
   message to <URL:mailto:ding-rn-digests-request@bluesky.net> with the
   word subscribe in the Subject field. Digests are sent every few days.
   Archives are available via SmartList commands, just use the above
   address with a Subject of help to get details.
   
   This mailing list is mirrored on the World Wide Web at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-list/>. The archives date back to
   mid August 1995, are separated by month for access speed, and were
   assembled with the Hypermail 1.02 utility.
   
   There is a bidirectional Usenet gateway to the mailing list at:
   <URL:news://sunsite.auc.dk/emacs.ding>.
   
   Gnus has a home World Wide Web page at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html>. A Gnus tips page exists
   at
   <URL:http://www.fuentez.com/public-info/ding/ding.html>.
   
   Ketil Z Malde <ketil@ii.uib.no> has a page on mail filtering using
   Gnus:
   <URL:http://www.ii.uib.no/~ketil/mailsorting.html>.
   
   There is a Gnus info page at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-local.html>.
   
   Gnus has a write up in the comp.windows.x.apps FAQ at:
   <URL:http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/xapps/Q-III.html>.
   
   The Gnus manual is also available on the World Wide Web. The canonical
   source is in Norway at
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-manual/gnus_toc.html>
   There are three mirrors in the United States:
   <URL:http://www.c2.org/~mrblond/gnus/>
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/gnus-man/>
   <URL:http://www.rtd.com/~woo/gnus/>
   
   PostScript copies of the Gnus Reference card are available from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.ualberta.ca/pub/oolog/gnus/>. They are mirrored at
   <URL:http://www.thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de/~gnu/doc/gnusref/>
   in Germany.
   
   An online version of the Gnus FAQ is available at
   <URL:http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html>. Off-line formats
   are also available:
   ASCII: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq>.
   PostScript: <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/gnus-faq.ps>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.9 Gnus hangs on connecting to NNTP server

   I am running XEmacs on SunOS and Gnus prints a message about
   Connecting to NNTP server and then just hangs.
   
   Ben Wing <wing@666.com> writes :
   I wonder if you're hitting the infamous libresolv problem. The basic
   problem is that under SunOS you can compile either with DNS or NIS
   name lookup libraries but not both. Try substituting the IP address
   and see if that works; if so, you need to download the sources and
   recompile.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.10 Mailcrypt 3.4 doesn't work [updated]

   You are attempting to use the mailcrypt 3.4 distribution with Gnus
   5.3. Mailcrypt 3.4 needs some minor patches to work with Gnus 5.[23],
   that are present in the version of mailcrypt distributed with XEmacs
   19.14.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.11 What other packages work with Gnus? [updated]

  Mailcrypt
  
   Mailcrypt is an Emacs interface to PGP, written by Patrick LoPresti
   <patl@lcs.mit.edu> and Jin Choi <jin@atype.com>. It works, it installs
   without hassle, and integrates very easily. Mailcrypt can be obtained
   from
   <URL:http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/>.
   
  Tools for Mime
  
   Tools for Mime is an Emacs MUA interface to MIME written by MORIOKA
   Tomohiko <morioka@jaist.ac.jp>, and KOBAYASHI Shuhei
   <shuhei-k@jaist.ac.jp>. It can be obtained from
   <URL:ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/GNU/elisp/mime/>. It has mirrors at:
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nis.co.jp/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (Japan)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.nisiq.net/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/tm/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/gnus/jaist.ac.jp/> (USA)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.unicamp.br/pub/mail/mime/tm/> (Brasil)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.th-darmstadt.de/pub/editors/GNU-Emacs/lisp/mime/>
   (Germany)
   <URL:ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/editors/xemacs/contrib/>
   (Germany).
   
   To use with Gnus add the line
(load "mime-setup")

   to your .emacs file before you initialize Gnus.
   
  Group Lens
  
   Group Lens is a collaborative filtering system that helps you work
   together with other people to find the quality news articles out of
   the huge volume of news articles generated every day. It was written
   by Brad Miller <bmiller@cs.umn.edu> as his PhD thesis. It is now
   distributed as a standard part of September Gnus. A copy for Gnus 5
   can be obtained at:
   <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/>. GroupLens has its own
   FAQ at <URL:http://www.cs.umn.edu/Research/GroupLens/glfaq.html>.
   
  Insidious Big Brother Database
  
   BBDB is a rolodex-like database program for GNU Emacs written by Jamie
   Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> of Netscape fame. BBDB can be found at
   <URL:ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/bbdb/>. You should also pick up
   gnus-bbdb from Brian Edmonds:
   <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>.
   Please note that work is underway for a new version of bbdb that
   contains gnus-bbdb.el.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.12 How do I make Gnus start faster? [updated]

   Make sure you kill your unsubscribed groups. This will make Gnus start
   much faster, and keep your .newsrc file sizes down to boot.
   
   Pranav Kumar Tiwari <pktiwari@eos.ncsu.edu> writes :
   I posted the same query recently and I got an answer to it. I am going
   to repeat the answer. What you need is a newer version of gnus,
   version 5.0.4+. I am using 5.0.12 and it works fine with me with the
   following settings:

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups nil
      gnus-read-active-file 'some
      gnus-nov-is-evil nil
      gnus-select-method '(nntp gnus-nntp-server))

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes :
   I would rather write: 'ask-server instead of nil. It is more useful to
   most people, and does not increase the load time too much.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.13 I've upgraded to 5.2 and my hooks no longer work

   Gnus now uses a combined mode for editing mail and news posts called
   message-mode. All your hooks must change to reflect this. You can
   either use gnus-setup.el provided with Gnus 5.2 (please see Q2.12 for
   details), or you can make the changes by hand.
   
   In particular, mail-mode, news-reply-mode, and news-mode have all been
   replaced with message-mode.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.14 How do I specify the NNTP server?

   There are a variety of ways, all documented in the Gnus user's manual.
   
    1. (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.somewhere.edu"))
    2. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))
    3. If gnus-select-method is not set, Gnus will take a look at the
       NNTPSERVER environment variable. If that variable isn't set, Gnus
       will see whether gnus-nntpserver-file (/etc/nntpserver by default)
       has any opinions on the matter. If that fails as well, Gnus will
       will try to use the machine that is running Emacs as an NNTP
       server.
    4. If gnus-nntp-server is set, this variable will override
       gnus-select-method. You should therefore set gnus-nntp-server to
       nil, which is what it is by default.
    5. You can also make Gnus prompt you interactively for the name of an
       NNTP server. If you give a non-numerical prefix to gnus (i.e., C-u
       M-x gnus), Gnus will let you choose between the servers in the
       gnus-secondary-servers list (if any).
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q1.15 What is the difference between persistent and unexpirable
	messages? [new]

   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes: The terms are not
   synonymous, they are orthogonal.
   
   If you tap * on an article, you have made it persistent. Nothing you
   ever do, except using the M-* command, will remove it from the cache
   where it's stored.
   
   If you mark an article with the E mark, (ie., made it expirable), it
   will be deleted by the mail backend when it reaches a certain age. The
   persistent copy of the message will not be touched.
   
   The two terms are not related.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                              2. Customizing Gnus
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.2 How do I quote messages?

   I see lots of messages with quoted material in them. I am wondering
   how to have Gnus do it for me.
   
   This is Gnus, so there are a number of ways of doing this. You can use
   the built-in commands to do this. There are the ``F'' and ``R'' keys
   from the summary buffer which automatically include the article being
   responded to. These commands are also selectable as Followup and Yank
   and Reply and Yank in the Post menu.
   
   C-c C-y grabs the previous message and prefixes each line with
   `mail-indentation-spaces' spaces or `mail-yank-prefix' if that is
   non-nil, unless you have set your own `mail-citation-hook', which will
   be called to do the job.
   
   You might also consider the Supercite package, which allows for pretty
   arbitrarily complex quoting styles. Some people love it, some people
   hate it.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.4 Any good suggestions on stuff for an all.SCORE file?

   Here is a collection of suggestions from various sources:
   
  From "Dave Disser" <disser@sdd.hp.com>
  
   I like blasting anything without lowercase letters. Weeds out most of
   the make $$ fast, as well as the lame titles like "IBM" and "HP-UX"
   with no further description.

 (("Subject"
  ("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)))

  From "Peter Arius" <arius@immd2.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
  
   The most vital entries in my (still young) all.SCORE:
(("xref"
  ("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s))
 ("subject"
  ("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
  ("$$$$" -1000 nil s)))

  From "Per Abrahamsen" <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
  
(("subject"
  ;; CAPS OF THE WORLD, UNITE
  ("^..[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$ (Try work)
  ("$" -1 nil s)
  ;; I'm important! And I have exclamation marks to prove it!
  ("!" -1 nil s)))

  From "heddy boubaker" <boubaker@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr>
  
   I would like to contribute with mine.
(
 (read-only t)
 ("subject"
  ;; ALL CAPS SUBJECTS
  ("^\\([Rr][Ee]: +\\)?[^a-z]+$" -1 nil R)
  ;; $$$ Make Money $$$
  ("$$" -10 nil s)
  ;; Empty subjects are worthless!
  ("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -10 nil r)
  ;; Sometimes interesting announces occur!
  ("ANN?OU?NC\\(E\\|ING\\)" +10 nil r)
  ;; Some people think they're on mailing lists
  ("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -100 nil r)
  ;; Stop Micro$oft NOW!!
  ("\\(m\\(icro\\)?[s$]\\(oft\\|lot\\)?-?\\)?wind?\\(ows\\|aube\\|oze\\)?[- ]*\
\('?95\\|NT\\|3[.]1\\|32\\)" -1001 nil r)
  ;; I've nothing to buy
  ("\\(for\\|4\\)[- ]*sale" -100 nil r)
  ;; SELF-DISCIPLINED people
  ("\\[[^a-z0-9 \t\n][^a-z0-9 \t\n]\\]" +100 nil r)
  )
 ("from"
  ;; To keep track of posters from my site
  (".dgac.fr" +1000 nil s))
 ("followup"
  ;; Keep track of answers to my posts
  ("boubaker" +1000 nil s))
 ("lines"
  ;; Some people have really nothing to say!!
  (1 -10 nil <=))
 (mark -100)
 (expunge -1000)
 )

  From "Christopher Jones" <cjones@au.oracle.com>
  
   The sample all.SCORE files from Per and boubaker could be augmented
   with:

        (("subject"
          ;; No junk mail please!
          ("please ignore" -500 nil s)
          ("test" -500 nil e))
        )

  From "Brian Edmonds" <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca>
  
   Augment any of the above with a fast method of scoring down
   excessively cross posted articles.

 ("xref"
  ;; the more cross posting, the exponentially worse the article
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -1 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -2 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -4 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -8 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -16 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -32 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -64 nil
 r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+" -
128 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+" -256 nil r)
  ("^xref: \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\S-+ \\
S-+ \\S-+" -512 nil r))

   Or see <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/SCORE>
   which also includes pointers to my SMEGHEADS and BLACKLIST files.
   
  From "Hardrock" <dharland@kendaco.telebyte.com>
  
   (Original source unknown, this is used by permission from the Grubor
   FAQ 2.21).

  ("from"
   ("Law Doctor" -10000 nil s)
   ("Manus" -10000 nil s)
   ("Grubor" -10000 nil s)
   ("DrG" -10000 nil s))

  From "d. hall" <dhall@illusion.apk.net>
  
   Here's an example of using the orphan scoring rule to make reading of
   large newsgroups more pleasant, in this case comp.lang.c.

(("subject"
  ("windows" -100)
  ("dos" -100))
 (orphan -200)
 (mark-and-expunge -100))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.5 What do I use to yank-through when replying?

   You should probably reply and followup with R and F, instead of r and
   f, which solves your problem. But you could try something like:

(defconst mail-yank-ignored-headers
  "^.*:"
  "Delete these headers from old message when it's inserted in a reply.")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.6 I don't like the default WWW browser

   Now when choosing an URL Gnus starts up a W3 buffer, I would like it
   to always use Netscape (I don't browse in text-mode ;-).
   
    1. Activate `Customize...' from the `Help' menu.
    2. Scroll down to the `WWW Browser' field.
    3. Click `mouse-2' on `WWW Browser'.
    4. Select `Netscape' from the pop up menu.
    5. Press `C-c C-c'
       
   That's it.
   
   If you are using XEmacs then to specify Netscape do
(setq gnus-button-url 'gnus-netscape-open-url)

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.9 How can I make favorite authors be highlighted in the Summary
	buffer?

   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   Just increase their score, and they will be highlighted.
   
   You can increase the score of all articles written by Larry Wall in
   comp.lang.perl by entering the group, find an article written by Larry
   Wall, and type I A (Increase Author) or even better I a s p (Increase
   author by substring permanently). You will be prompted with the
   content of the From header for the current article, so you can edit
   trim string down to just Larry Wall if you want.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.10 How do I get multiple .signature files?

   Kai Grossjohann <grossjoh@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> writes:

(defun my-signature ()
  (cond ((string-match "ding" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for Ding")
        ((string-match "^nnml:" gnus-newsgroup-name)
         "Signature for mail groups")
        (t
         "Default signature")))
(setq message-signature 'my-signature)

   You get the idea ...
   
   Jack Vinson <jvinson@cheux.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
   For multiple signature files, I advise the message-insert-signature
   function to set message-signature-file to a random file from my
   signature directory: (I have files that look like sig1 sig2 etc in
   that directory).

;; random insertion of .signature file
;; Thanks to Glenn R Coombs: glenn@prl.philips.co.uk
(defvar grc-signature-dir   "~/.sig/")
(defvar grc-signature-base  "sig")

(defadvice message-insert-signature (before random-mail-sig-ag act comp)
  "Change the value of message-signature-file each time
`message-insert-signature' is called."
  (let ((files (file-name-all-completions
                grc-signature-base (expand-file-name grc-signature-dir))))
    (if files (let ((file (nth (random (length files)) files)))
                (setq message-signature-file (concat grc-signature-dir file))
                ))))

   Ralph Schleicher <rs@purple.UL.BaWue.DE> writes:
   Here's a version which will add a fortune cookie to your .signature.

(setq message-signature 'fortune)

(defvar fortune-program nil
  "*Program used to generate epigrams, default \"fortune\".")

(defvar fortune-switches nil
  "*List of extra arguments when `fortune-program' is invoked.")

(defun fortune (&optional long-p)
  "Generate a random epigram.
An optional prefix argument generates a long epigram.
The epigram is inserted at point if called interactively."
  (interactive "*P")
  (let ((fortune-buffer (generate-new-buffer " fortune"))
        (fortune-string "Have an adequate day."))
    (unwind-protect
        (save-excursion
          (set-buffer fortune-buffer)
          (apply 'call-process
                 (append (list (or fortune-program "fortune") nil t nil)
                         fortune-switches (list (if long-p "-l" "-s"))))
          (skip-chars-backward "\n\t ")
          (setq fortune-string (buffer-substring (point-min) (point))))
      (kill-buffer fortune-buffer))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (insert fortune-string))
    fortune-string))

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.11 Gnus and compression hooks

   Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
   I just stumbled into a nasty gotcha, a conflict between Gnus (probably
   any version) and any on-the-fly file compression hooks. This morning,
   the code that pulls the system mailbox into a local Incoming file
   created a file called Incominga003.Z. The problem should be apparent:
   the .Z extension gets the file flagged as compressed, so the
   compression code tries to decompress it; since it is not compressed,
   this fails.
   
   The solution: do not allow periods in the pseudo-random Incoming file
   names.
   
   Editor's note: Similar behavior has been observed with jka-compr as
   well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.12 Using Gnus and Other Packages

   Kevin J Hilman <khilman@vision.d.umn.edu> writes:
   How do you hook Supercite into September Gnus? Adding sc-cite-original
   to mail-citation-hook works for VM but not Gnus. There must be some
   message-mode hook I can add sc-cite-original to, but I cant seem to
   figure it out.
   
   Steve Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
   You're probably not using gnus-setup.el, but you should. So long as
   you have sgnus as a subdirectory of site-lisp in the standard location
   all you need to do put in your .emacs is:

(setq gnus-use-september t)
(load "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/sgnus/lisp/gnus-setup.el")

   and everything is set up for you.
   
   gnus-setup also handles integration with tm, bbdb, mailcrypt, vm, and
   mh-e. Set these variable to choose exactly what you want:
   
   gnus-use-tm [t]
          Set this if you want MIME support for Gnus
          
   gnus-use-mhe [nil]
          Set this if you want to use MH-E for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-rmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use RMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sendmail [nil]
          Set this if you want to use SENDMAIL for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-vm [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the VM package for mail reading
          
   gnus-use-sc [t]
          Set this if you want to use Supercite
          
   gnus-use-mailcrypt [t]
          Set this if you want to use Mailcrypt for dealing with PGP
          messages
          
   gnus-use-bbdb [nil]
          Set this if you want to use the Big Brother DataBase
          
   gnus-use-september [nil]
          Set this if you are using the experimental September Gnus
          
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.13 Changing Mail and News directories

   I don't like the default locations for storing Mail and News how do I
   change them?
   
   The following variables are used at present for News:
     * gnus-article-save-directory
     * gnus-kill-files-directory
       
   Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.mit-newsrc")
(setq nnml-directory "~/MITmail/")
(setq nnmail-crash-box "~/.mit-gnus-crash-box")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file
  (concat (file-name-as-directory nnml-directory) "newsgroups"))

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
      '(nnfolder "archive"
                 (nnfolder-directory "~/MITmail/archive/")
                 (nnfolder-active-file "~/MITmail/archive/active")
                 (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
                 (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

   but that's only for mail, not news.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.14 Gnus colors have problems with my background.

   Gnus colors don't look quite right on my background, and it'll take a
   bit of fiddling to get it right.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   It's quite difficult to come up with a set of colors that work with
   the entire range of dark backgrounds. The current defaults seem to
   work quite well on very dark backgrounds (and very light backgrounds),
   but if you use mid-range background colours, you have to do some
   fiddling.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.15 How do I customize the Sender: line?

   Just change it in the message buffer.
   
   Richard Krehbiel <rich@kastle.com> writes:
   The original poster wants to correct a broken Sender: line. If the
   value that Emacs computes is wrong, (mine is wrong too BTW) then
   making a right one is better, no?
   
   Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
   No. If you think it serves a useful purpose for the user to change the
   value of the Sender field, then you do not understand the purpose of
   that field.
   
   The Sender field contains the following information: The user has
   customized the from address. Here is the original, uncustomized value.
   Thus, if you customize the Sender field in any way, it will be wrong.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.16 How do I customize the From: line?

   How do I change the From: line? I have set gnus-user-from-line to Gail
   Gurman <gail.gurman@sybase.com>, but XEmacs Gnus doesn't use it.
   Instead it uses Gail Mara Gurman <gailg@deall> and then complains that
   it's incorrect. Also, as you perhaps can see, my Message-ID is screwy.
   How can I change that?
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@aegir.ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Set user-mail-address to gail.gurman@sybase.com or mail-host-address
   to sybase.com.
   
   Please note that this also works with ISO-Latin 1 characters like:
(setq user-full-name "Finn Hkansson")

------------------------------

Subject: Q2.17 Gnus says my .signature is too long and it isn't

   Check for blank lines at the end. Blank lines count as well.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q2.18 What replaces gnus-author-copy? [updated]

   The BCC: or Fcc: field still works:
(setq message-default-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool\n")
(setq message-default-mail-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-mail.spool\n")
(setq message-default-news-headers "Fcc: ~/spool/sent-news.spool\n")

   Replace Fcc: with Bcc: if you wish.
   
   Another possibility is to use the Gcc: header:
(setq gnus-message-archive-method
  `(nnfolder
    "archive"
    (nnfolder-directory ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive"))
    (nnfolder-active-file
     ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive/active"))
    (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
    (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
  '((if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail")))

     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                3. Reading News
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.1 How do I convert my kill files to score files?

   A kill-to-score translator was written by Ethan Bradford
   <ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu>. It is available from
   <URL:http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding-various/gnus-kill-to-score.el>
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.2 My news server has a lot of groups, and killing groups is
	painfully slow.

   Don't do that then. The best way to get rid of groups that should be
   dead is to edit your newsrc directly. This problem will be addressed
   in the near future.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.3 How do I use an NNTP server with authentication?

   Put the following into your .gnus:
 (add-hook 'nntp-server-opened-hook 'nntp-send-authinfo)

------------------------------

Subject: Q3.4 Not reading the first article.

   How do I avoid reading the first article when a group is selected?
    1. Use RET to select the group instead of SPC.
    2. (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
    3. elf@mailhost.ee.ryerson.ca (Luis Fernandes) writes:

This is what I use...customize as necessary...

;;; Don't auto-select first article if reading sources, or archives or
;;; jobs postings, etc. and just display the summary buffer
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook
          (function
           (lambda ()
             (cond ((string-match "sources" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                           ((string-match "jobs" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                                (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "comp\\.archives" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "reviews" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "announce" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   ((string-match "binaries" gnus-newsgroup-name)
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first nil))
                   (t
                    (setq gnus-auto-select-first t))))))
    4. abraham@dina.kvl.dk (Per Abrahamsen) writes:
       Another possibility is to create an `all.binaries.all.SCORE' file
       like this:

((local
  (gnus-auto-select-first nil)))

and insert

        (setq gnus-auto-select-first t)
   in your .gnus.
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.5 Why aren't BBDB known posters marked in the summary buffer?

   Brian Edmonds <edmonds@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
   Due to changes in Gnus 5.0, bbdb-gnus.el no longer marks known posters
   in the summary buffer. An updated version, gnus-bbdb.el is available
   at the locations listed below. This package also supports autofiling
   of incoming mail to folders specified in the BBDB. Extensive
   instructions are included as comments in the file.
   
     * send mail to <URL:mailto: majordomo@edmonds.home.cs.ubc.ca> with
       the following line in the body of the message: get misc
       gnus-bbdb.el.
     * Or get it from the World Wide Web:
       <URL:http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/gnus/gnus-bbdb.el>
       .
       
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.6 Cross posted articles aren't marked as read

   Ralf Helbing <helbing@monet.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> writes:
   Why do cross posted articles appear in every group they were posted to
   instead of only the first one? In other words: how can I have them
   marked as read in the current group if I read them already in another
   group?
   
   Gnus will read news overview files to build its article lists for a
   group. An (unfortunately) optional field contains information about
   where an article is crossposted to. If this is disabled, then Gnus
   will not be able to properly deal with crossposts.
   
   Get your system administrator to enable Xref in the news overview
   files.
   
   Failing that, if you add
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

   to your .gnus, Gnus will do The Right Thing with respect to cross
   posts at the cost of slower group entry and exit.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.7 How do I read already read messages?

   Francesco Potort <pot@cnuce.cnr.it> writes:
   Just use C-u SPC or C-u RET for entering the group.
   
   Gnus 5.4 has a more convenient mechanism whereby you can mark
   individual groups so that they will always show previously read mail
   with:

(display . all)

   in the group parameters.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q3.8 Evil nntp

   Yair Friedman <yair@cs.huji.ac.il> writes:
   Does anyone has experience with setting nntp-nov-is-evil to t? What
   exactly will I gain or lose by setting this variable?
   
   Setting this variable only makes sense if netnews is set up on your
   system to not provide XREF (cross reference information) in the
   overview files Gnus reads to build group summaries.
   
   A quick test to see if you need to use it is this (substitute your
   nntp server, and use the last number returned on the 211 line as the
   parameter to XOVER):
   (Example courtesy of Christopher Davis <ckd@loiosh.kei.com>).

$ telnet news.somewhere.com nntp
LIST overview.fmt

You should see something like the following (on INN systems anyway):

215 Order of fields in overview database.
Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

   If the Xref:full is missing, ask your news administrator to add it in.
   
   Assuming you have a broken newsfeed, you gain by setting
   nntp-nov-is-evil the ability for Gnus to mark all crossposted articles
   as read the first time you see them. Otherwise, every crossposted
   article is spam, and you see it over and over again if you also read
   the other groups it is crossposted to.
   
   You lose the ability to have Gnus fill in old headers to flesh
   partially read threads with old articles. This may not matter a whole
   lot if expiration times are short. Building group summaries is also
   somewhat slower, though if your network connection to the news server
   is decent this isn't a huge loss.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
                                4. Reading Mail
                                       
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.1 What does the message Buffer has changed on disk mean in a mail
	group?

   Your filter program should not deliver mail directly to your folders,
   instead it should put the mail into spool files. Gnus will then move
   the mail safely from the spool files into the folders. This will
   eliminate the problem. Look it up in the manual, in the section
   entitled "Mail & Procmail".
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.2 How do you make articles un-expirable?

   I am using nnml to read news and have used
   gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups to automagically expire articles in
   some groups (Gnus being one of them). Sometimes there are interesting
   articles in these groups that I want to keep. Is there any way of
   explicitly marking an article as un-expirable - that is mark it as
   read but not expirable?
   
   Use ``u'', ``!'', `d' or `M-u' in the summary buffer. You just remove
   the `E' mark by setting some other mark. It's not necessary to tick
   the articles.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.3 How do I delete bogus nnml: groups?

   My problem is that I have various mail (nnml) groups generated while
   experimenting with Gnus. How do I remove them now? Setting the level
   to 9 does not help. Also gnus-group-check-bogus-groups does not
   recognize them.
   
   Removing mail groups is tricky at the moment. (It's on the to-do list,
   though.) You basically have to kill the groups in Gnus, shut down
   Gnus, edit the active file to exclude these groups, and probably
   remove the nnml directories that contained these groups as well. Then
   start Gnus back up again.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.4 What happened to my new mail groups?

   I got new mail, but I have never seen the groups they should have been
   placed in.
   
   They are probably there, but as zombies. Press `A z' to list zombie
   groups, and then subscribe to the groups you want with `u'. This is
   all documented quite nicely in the user's manual.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.5 Not scoring mail groups

   How do you totally turn off scoring in mail groups?
   
   Use an nnbabyl:all.SCORE (or nnmh, or nnml, or whatever) file
   containing:

((adapt ignore)
 (local (gnus-use-scoring nil))
 (exclude-files "all.SCORE"))

------------------------------

Subject: Q4.6 How to keep groups always visible [updated]

   How do you keep groups always visible in the Group buffer, whether or
   not they have any new articles in them?
   
   There is no magic command right now. 5l will list all subscribed
   groups. This list will get compacted the next time you issue a g
   command though.
   
   Another trick which almost works is to make sure that you mark an
   article with ! in every group you want to keep visible. While this
   works, entering the group with something like M-5 SPC is no longer as
   convenient.
   
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   I've added a gnus-permanently-visible-groups regexp variable to match
   groups that should always be shown, no matter whether there are unread
   articles in the groups or not. I've also added a visible group
   parameter that will have the same effect.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.7 Group renumbering

   Thomas Larsen <lath@interlink.no> writes:
   I'm usinge the nnml backend to read my mail. To get rid of read mail,
   I either expire the article or use B DEL. When I have received more
   than 200 articles in a nnml group, I get prompted for how many
   articles to show when entering it. The problem is that there are only
   about 20 articles present in the group and it's quite annoying to get
   prompted for this every time. Is there a way to fix this without
   setting gnus-large-group to something very high? Can you somehow
   renumber the articles in a group? I'm using Gnus 5.2.1.
   
   Colin Rafferty <craffert@spspme.ml.com> writes:
   Yes.
   
   Enter the group, mark all articles, and then move them all to the
   current group. If they were spread out between 1 and 200, they will
   now all be numbered consecutively starting at 201.
   
   In response to the further question: Can this be done without breaking
   the xref info?
   Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
   Well -- if these are Xreffed from a different group, this'll break the
   Xref info in the other groups. That is, if you (after renumbering the
   articles) read the articles in a different group, they won't be marked
   as read in the renumbered group.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.8 Procmail and Gnus [new]

   Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:
   With procmail, you cannot write directly into the nnml directories.
   You must create spool files that will be merged into the nnml
   directories at times of Gnus' choosing. Asynch delivery just isn't in
   the cards.
   
   I just posted my setup a week ago. Here it is one more time:
(setq
 gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
 nnmail-use-procmail t
 nnmail-spool-file 'procmail            ; same as nnmail-use-procmail :-)
 nnmail-procmail-directory "~/.incoming/"
 nnmail-delete-incoming t
)

   And then I have procmail deliver to ~/.incoming/inbox.spool and
   ~/.incoming/list.traffic.spool and so on. The name before .spool
   becomes the nnml: folder in which the stuff will end up.
   
------------------------------

Subject: Q4.9 Getting new mail, but not new news [new]

   The standard technique is to place all your mail groups at levels 1 or
   level 2. Then you can do a 2 g, or 1 g which will then only fetch new
   mail and not bother with new news.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   This FAQ is Copyright  1995, 1996 Free Software Foundation. Please
   send comments, and suggestions to Steve Baur
   <URL:mailto:steve@miranova.com>.

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%% Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

  en> * Jamie Zawinski
  en> | ... Unix editor ...
  en> | ... Unix-heads ...

  en> utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.

Unless I'm mistaken, XEmacs _is_... isn't it?

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>>>> 'Chris Schumacher (schumach@cs.utk.edu)' asked the following:

 CS> Xemacs starts up quite snappily until it goes to load the
 CS> .xemacs-options file, which takes a full minute on my P133 w/ 40MB.
 CS> Is this common or is something wrong?  I would include the file except
 CS> that it's quite large (898 lines).  

I found the same behavior and scrapped using the the options menu. I just set
everything I wanted in a startup.xemacs.el file, byte compiled it, and loaded
it from .emacs.

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	Hi!

	There is one very annoying feature in XEmacs 19.14. The
	entries in the completion window are not formatted properly if
	they appear in a window which is narrower than the frame (ie.
	horizontally divided frames). There is a comment about this
	behavior in display-completion-list (modes/list-mode.el):
 
                       ;; This needs fixing for the case of windows 
                       ;; that aren't the same width's the frame.
                       ;; Sadly, the window it will appear in is not known
                       ;; until after the text has been made.

	Has this been fixed in current sources, or does anyone have a
	workaround?

	Thanks,
	jtp

Quick, sing me the BUDAPEST NATIONAL ANTHEM!!

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>>"KF" == Kevin Ford schrieb am 05 Nov 1996 19:56:38 -0800:

 >> Invalid function: (macro . #<compiled-function (from
 >> "vm-misc.elc") nil "...(2)"
 >> 

Two possibilities: on a similar question of mine Steve Baur answered
that one would have to byte-compile the mailcrypt-files again. I did
not tried that one because I changed the macro-definitions in vm-misc
to functions before I had read his answer. If you have to do this,
too, i.e. byte-compiling doesn't work, contact me and I send you the
necessary changes.

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Hi,

I have problems using the new `include'-feature of etags.  Sadly,
xemacs' version of etags isn't supporting it :-(
Therefore I am using the etags-package of GNU Emacs.  However, if I am
doing a tags-search, I am not getting the definition-points of the
included TAGS file, but similar definition-points of the main TAGS
file (similar = case insensitive substrings).

Does somebody has a hint for me how to use the `include'-feature
correctly? (Or is this a bug?)

Regards,
Jens
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Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:

> * Jamie Zawinski
> | ... Unix editor ...
> | ... Unix-heads ...
> 
> utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.

Oh come on.  You need a lot of GNU tools besides Emacs to make it a
really nice editor (ls, find, grep etc.), and the reason is that it is
Unix-based.

You want to have full functionality, you have to provide it with a
Unixy support environment, and to have that available consistently for
many platforms was the aim of the GNU project.

I agree that the label "Unix-editor" is not altogether fitting now:
for example, the Windows display engine has *no* Unix equivalent, but
on the large, the development has been very much directed by Unix
lookalike systems.  Once you *do* install a more or less complete
bunch of GNU tools, it provides a very nice working environment even
under Windows, but it is a Unixy work environment, not a Windows one.

Not that that wouldn't be quite an improvement...

-- 
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Email: dak@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de       Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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From: Alain Ketterlin <alain@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr>
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Subject: Hideshow and menus
Date: 20 Nov 1996 12:02:00 +0100
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Hi all,

I'm trying to make hideshow to work with XEmacs 19.14
I'm not far from my goal (i.e., I can use it) but have noticed that:

1. It uses obsolete menu-handling functions (add-menu) and ignores
   some others (it doesn't use delete-menu-item)

2. Exiting hs-minor-mode correctly removes the menubar entry, but
   after that I can't get other menubars (e.g., gnus') correctly: I
   get the default menubar everywhere.

So, is there a recent fix for hideshow under XEmacs?
Thanks in advance.

---Alain.

BTW: there is a section in hideshow.el which I don't understand. If
somebody has some time to explain it to me, it would be great. Here is
it:

(eval-when-compile
  (if (string-match "xemacs\\|lucid" emacs-version)
      (progn
	(defvar current-menubar nil "")
	(defun set-buffer-menubar (arg1))
	(defun add-menu (arg1 arg2 arg3)))))

I understand what it does, but don't understand why it does this.
Thanks.

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From: des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott)
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Subject: My .emacs is bigger than yours (was Re: .emacs configs)
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In article <bci4tilrdy3.fsf@corp.sun.com>,
	Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
>
> Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> 
> Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?

Seems to be.

Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.

-- 
Des Herriott
des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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From: Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il>
To: XEmacs Mailing <xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: [Q] Working with templates... how-to?
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The programmers here in Ornet use different editors for editing their
code. Now, it is under my responsibility to provide them with
templates for 'C' files.

The templates contain some 'constant' data, fields that the user is
prompted to fill (input fields), and other fields that are
automatically filled. (.e.g: Date, User-Login-Name, Filename, etc).

I'm sure that there are already packages that may help you to create
and use templates, that with some simple lisp function you can insert
the initial file, and even more, when you want to write a function, by
pressing a special key, you get a template with the header comment and
the empty function body.

Any hints?

--- Ricky                            -*- Mode: Another-Unix-Hacker -*-
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Hi. 

I have been using International Ispell Version 3.1.18 for a while and
always thought it made a good job in correcting my many miss-prints,
but today I noticed that when I made ispell buffer (or ispell from the
command line) it missed many of miss-prints and only found few. If I
instead made ispell-word or ispell-region over a small region (I don't
know how small, but if I mark the whole buffer it doesn't work) it
complained and gave me alternatives. Why didn't it complain when I did
ispell-buffer?

Is this a bug that has been fixed to version 3.1.20 or have I
missconfigured anything (I don't think so, as it didn't complain when
i did ispell file). Any help appreciated.

Thanks
Anders
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* David Kastrup
| Oh come on.  You need a lot of GNU tools besides Emacs to make it a
| really nice editor (ls, find, grep etc.), and the reason is that it is
| Unix-based.

I used Emacs on TOPS-20 for several years.  I didn't find any `ls', `find',
or `grep' or any other "Unix" tools there.  the fact that those tools are
available for use from Emacs under Unix comes as absolutely no surprise to
me, Emacs users being what they are, but to say that Emacs is limited to
Unix systems displays a monumental ignorance both of its past and its
present, not to mention its future.  but I'm _greatly_ comforted to know
that Jamie is so ignorant -- it means most of the random incompatibilities
and short-sighted design in XEmacs cannot have come from malice.

#\Erik
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From: Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com>
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Subject: Re: .emacs configs
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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:

> 
> Kevin Penrose (kpenrose@ml.com) wrote:
> > Is there some repository of all of the various settings
> > that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
> > I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
> > incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
> > missing out on some great settings.
> > Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
> > you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?
> 
> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
> 
> P.S.
> 
> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
> grow.
> 
> -- 
> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
> --------------------------------+--------------------------------
> `VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
>        the Emacs religion.


Great, all of these 'mine is bigger than yours' responses, but
no one has the chutzpah to post theirs.  Come on guys!  I really
would like to see what you've got.

Mine is 25K, but I think fully half of that is comments.  Mostly
stuff from the sample.emacs that comes with the 19.14 package.

And since .gnus and other init files have been mentioned, lets
see what you've got there too.


-- Kevin
_____________________________________________________________________
Kevin M. Penrose                             Email:  kpenrose@ml.com
Merrill Lynch                                World Financial Center - NT
212-449-5712                                 New York, NY   10281-1314



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From: e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at (Robert Bihlmeyer)
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Subject: Re: Add on to "improved fast page-up page-down"
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Hi,

>>>>> On 18 Nov 1996 10:20:17 -0700
>>>>> Eric Eide <eeide@cs.utah.edu> said:

 Eric> Currently, there are two principal barriers to making
 Eric> `scroll-in-place' the default behvaior: incompatibilities with
 Eric> certain packages that do their own scrolling (VM, Gnus,
 Eric> list-mode), and `scroll-in-place's general ignorance of
 Eric> variable-height lines in XEmacs. I am going to take up the
 Eric> charge again to see how these problems can be resolved.

 Eric> Until these problems are solved, `scroll-in-place' probably
 Eric> shouldn't be the default behavior.

I have the following workaround in my .emacs:

    (add-hook 'Info-mode-hook
	      (lambda nil (set (make-local-variable 'scroll-in-place) nil)))

replace Info-mode by whatever mode makes problems with s-i-p. But like
I said it's a workaround.

Some modes/packages should be made more s-i-p-friendly ... I think
with more support it would have a considerable userbase.

	Robbe
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Subject: Re: ispell doesn't complain about misspelled words!
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Anders Magnusson <Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se> writes:

>  Is this a bug that has been fixed to version 3.1.20 or have I
> missconfigured anything (I don't think so, as it didn't complain
> when i did ispell file). Any help appreciated.

It's apparently nothing that has been fixed to version 3.1.20, as I
went ahead and installed it, but it still doesn't find all the
misspelled words when I do ispell-buffer. There must be something else
wrong.

As before, any help appreciated

Anders

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From: Massimo Campostrini <campo@ipifidpt.difi.unipi.it>
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Re: .emacs configs
Date: 20 Nov 1996 14:31:17 +0100
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Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

> Great, all of these 'mine is bigger than yours' responses, but
> no one has the chutzpah to post theirs.  Come on guys!  I really
> would like to see what you've got.
> 
> Mine is 25K, but I think fully half of that is comments.  Mostly
> stuff from the sample.emacs that comes with the 19.14 package.
> 
> And since .gnus and other init files have been mentioned, lets
> see what you've got there too.

I'll bite.  Here is my .gnus file (somewhat abridged).  
Constructive criticism welcome.
[My .emacs is too messy to be shown in polite company.]


;;; ---------- obvious setup stuff
(setq gnus-nntp-server "serra.unipi.it")
(setq gnus-local-organization "Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare")
(setq gnus-local-domain "difi.unipi.it")
(setq gnus-default-distribution "world")
(setq gnus-use-full-window nil)
(setq gnus-background-mode 'dark)
(setq gnus-save-newsrc-file nil)
(setq gnus-save-killed-list nil)
(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server)
(setq gnus-read-active-file 'some)
;;; ---------- modelines
(setq gnus-group-line-format "%M%S%p%5y+%2i: %(%g (%L) -- %D%)\n")
(setq gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-20,20A%] %s%)\n")
(setq nnmail-delete-duplicates t)
;;; ---------- if we are in XEmacs, use Wes Hardaker's all-important smiley package
(if (string-match "XEmacs" emacs-version)
    (add-hook 'gnus-article-prepare-hook 'gnus-smiley-display)
)
;;; ---------- Yes, I use this monster
(setq-default browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-netscape)
;;; ---------- summary & article customization
(setq gnus-group-sort-function 'gnus-group-sort-by-level)
(setq gnus-article-display-hook nil)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-treat-overstrike)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-highlight)
(setq gnus-fetch-old-headers 'some) ; slow, but nice
(setq gnus-summary-gather-subject-limit 'fuzzy)
(setq gnus-summary-make-false-root 'dummy)
(setq gnus-thread-ignore-subject t)
(setq gnus-thread-indent-level 2)
;;; ---------- example of newgroup-dependent signature
(defun my-select-signature ()
  (if (equal gnus-newsgroup-name "rec.games.roguelike.angband")
      (progn
	(make-variable-buffer-local 'message-signature-file)
	(setq message-signature-file "~/.signature.angband")
	)
    )
  )
(add-hook 'message-signature-setup-hook 'my-select-signature)
;
;;; ---------- read mail (POP & nnml)
(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")))
(setq nnmail-spool-file "po:campo")
(setq nnmail-pop-password-required t)
; ---------- read POP password (and remember it)
(autoload 'ange-ftp-read-passwd "ange-ftp")
(if (not nnmail-pop-password)
    (setq nnmail-pop-password
	  (ange-ftp-read-passwd "Enter POP password: "))
)
(setq nnml-directory "~/Mail")
(setq nnml-newsgroups-file "~/Mail/newsgroups")
(setq gnus-total-expirable-newsgroups
      "mail\\.\\(ding\\|hep-lat.daily\\|alcei\\|gnupaint\\|gimp\\)")
;
;;; ---------- split mail
(setq nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy)
(setq nnmail-split-fancy
  '(| ("from\\|to\\|mail-from\\|cc" "benh@" "mail.angband")
      ("from\\|to\\|mail-from\\|return-path\\|cc"
       "ding\\|ding-request\\|gnus-bug" "mail.ding")
      ("from\\|to\\|reply-to\\|cc"
       "listproc@imsa\\|gnu-paint-l@imsa\\|daj@lclark"
       "mail.gnupaint")
      ("from\\|to\\|reply-to\\|cc" "@aps.org" "mail.revtex")
      ("from\\|to\\|cc" "pelisset@" "mail.pelo")
      ("from\\|to\\|reply-to\\|cc" "\\(hep-lat\\|no-reply\\)@xxx"
        (| ("subject" "hep-lat daily" "mail.hep-lat.daily")
	   "mail.hep-lat"))
      ("from\\|to\\|cc" "mstiavel@astro\\|mstiavel@stsci" "mail.stiavelli")
      ("from\\|to\\|cc" "mannella@\\|sbrana@\\|mau@\\|angelo@" "mail.cerd")
      ("from\\|to\\|cc" "\\(lat96\\|nobody\\)@sawyer" "mail.lat96")
      ("from" "daemon\\|postmaster@" "mail.daemon")
      "mail.misc"
      )
  )
;
;;; ---------- send mail & post news
(setq message-default-mail-headers "Bcc: campo@mail.difi.unipi.it\n")
;
;;; ---------- Modify group mode highlighting for Gnus v5.2.*
; (for angry fruit salad lovers only)
;
(if (and (eq gnus-display-type 'color)
	 (eq gnus-background-mode 'dark)
    )
    (setq gnus-group-highlight
	  `(((and (> level 5) (zerop unread)) .
; unsubscribed, no unread
     	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Gray" nil nil nil nil nil))
	    ((> level 5) .
; unsubscribed, unread
     	     ,(custom-face-lookup "White" nil nil nil nil nil))
	    ((and (> unread 200) (< level 3)) .
; mail, lots unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Plum1" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (< level 3) (zerop unread)) . 
; mail, no unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "LightSalmon" nil nil nil nil nil))
	    ((< level 3)  .
; mail, unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Green" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((> unread 200) .
; subscribed, lots unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "#ff4080" nil nil t nil nil)) ; (pinkish)
	    ((zerop unread) .
; subscribed, no unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Moccasin" nil nil nil nil nil))
	    (t .
; subscribed, unread
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "LightSkyBlue" nil nil t nil nil))
	   )
    )
)


-- 
        Massimo Campostrini, 
Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare, Sezione di Pisa.
WWW home page: http://www.difi.unipi.it/~campo/

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu, edb-list@theory.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: EDB patches to work with XEmacs 19.14 [was: saving an EDB db...]
In-Reply-To: <199611181401.IAA18457@a.cs.uiuc.edu>
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 > when i try to save a database, i am told, in the minibuffer
 > 
 > Saving db to file /nfs/rachele/home/boffi/dida/urbano/compitini96/9nov...
 > Symbol may not be buffer-local: generated-modeline-string
 > 
 > i had to patch slightly edb-1.21 sources to get my elc's built,but
 > these patches involve only db-interfa and db-summary
 > 
 > anyone can help me?

some findings: generated-modeline-string is a buffer-local constant,
that is updated internally when the mode-line changes
_you_cannot_set_its_value_

generated-modeline-string was not there, or it had not the same
behaviour, some releases (say a year...) ago, as EDB was ok

of course, generated-modeline-string is never mentioned in the NEWS
file

apart from these issues, i found were the evil occurred, and fixed
_this_ misbehaviour --- if you are interested in using edb 1.21 with
19.14, you can use the included patch to correct this misbehaviour

if you grep for lucid in the source directory, you can see other code
snippets that you may want to uncomment (menus, mostly) --- good luck

ciao
								gb

*** arch/edb-1.21/db-interfa.el	Tue Jul 11 20:29:21 1995
--- emacs/edb-1.21/db-interfa.el	Mon Nov 18 14:37:00 1996
***************
*** 428,440 ****
  
  (if db-running-lucid-emacs
      (progn
!       (define-key database-view-mode-map [mouse1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-view-mode-map [mouse3] 'database-view-mode-menu)
  
!       (define-key database-edit-mode-map [mouse1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-edit-mode-map [mouse3] 'database-edit-mode-menu)
  
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [mouse1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
  
        (defun db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point (e)
  	"Move to the field or record nearest the mouse position.
--- 428,440 ----
  
  (if db-running-lucid-emacs
      (progn
!       (define-key database-view-mode-map [button1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-view-mode-map [button3] 'database-view-mode-menu)
  
!       (define-key database-edit-mode-map [button1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-edit-mode-map [button3] 'database-edit-mode-menu)
  
! ;     (define-key database-summary-mode-map [button1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
  
        (defun db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point (e)
  	"Move to the field or record nearest the mouse position.
*** arch/edb-1.21/db-summary.el	Tue Jul 11 05:04:06 1995
--- emacs/edb-1.21/db-summary.el	Mon Nov 18 14:35:30 1996
***************
*** 1060,1068 ****
  
  (if db-running-lucid-emacs
      (progn
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [mouse1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [mouse2] 'dbs-lucid-mouse-view)
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [mouse3] 'database-summary-mode-menu)))
  
  
  ;;; db-summary.el ends here
--- 1060,1068 ----
  
  (if db-running-lucid-emacs
      (progn
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [button1] 'db-lucid-mouse-jump-to-point)
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [button2] 'dbs-lucid-mouse-view)
!       (define-key database-summary-mode-map [button3] 'database-summary-mode-menu)))
  
  
  ;;; db-summary.el ends here
*** arch/edb-1.21/db-util.el	Wed Jul 12 07:12:39 1995
--- emacs/edb-1.21/db-util.el	Wed Nov 20 15:53:29 1996
***************
*** 557,563 ****
  	    symbol (car pair)
  	    blv (cdr blv))
        ;; nil and 0 can be bogus local variables; never copy buffer-undo-list
!       (if (not (memq symbol '(0 nil buffer-undo-list)))
  	  (progn
  	    (if (not (symbolp symbol))
  		(error "\"%s\" should be a symbol with value \"%s\""
--- 557,563 ----
  	    symbol (car pair)
  	    blv (cdr blv))
        ;; nil and 0 can be bogus local variables; never copy buffer-undo-list
!       (if (not (memq symbol '(0 nil buffer-undo-list generated-modeline-string)))
  	  (progn
  	    (if (not (symbolp symbol))
  		(error "\"%s\" should be a symbol with value \"%s\""

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From: Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch>
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Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:

> Well if there are any questions you think I can answer, feel free to
> ask.

Not what you meant but: What Editor are you using now?

> I find this latest flare-up really funny, actually, since I've been
> thinking about and working on things that have such wider-ranging impact
> than a cheesy little Unix editor that's only used by hackers.  It was a

If you mean WWW ,netscape & spin-offs. Don't you find it funny 
that quite a few guys making WWW-waves have hacked on that editor only
used by hackers. (Marc Andreesen(sp?) designed Epoch, did't he?)

Jan

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To: Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs? 
In-reply-to: Your message of "20 Nov 1996 17:14:27 +0100."
             <by917w4ucc.fsf@math.ethz.ch> 
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:24:54 -0600
From: Chuck Thompson <cthomp@xemacs.org>

    Jan> If you mean WWW ,netscape & spin-offs. Don't you find it
    Jan> funny that quite a few guys making WWW-waves have hacked on
    Jan> that editor only used by hackers. (Marc Andreesen(sp?)
    Jan> designed Epoch, did't he?)

Epoch was designed by Simon Kaplan and Alan Carroll and originally
implemented mostly by Alan Carroll.  The 4.0 release which had the
first Emacs redisplay engine to support variable width and height was
designed and implemented by Chris Love.  After Chris graduated Marc
Andreesen took over as the Epoch maintainer and put out the last ever
releases of Epoch.  I replaced Marc as the "official" Epoch maintainer
but I never actually did any work on the Epoch source code.  I don't
think Marc actually did quite as much work on Epoch as he was supposed
to because he was busy working on some new piece of software called
Mosaic.  I'm sure he regrets spending more time on Mosaic than Epoch.


			-Chuck

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I hope this is the correct place to send this. I looked in the faq and
didn't see a better choice.

I was futzing around with xemacs getting it to compile on Linux/alpha machines
(I got it working. If anybody wants to know how, send me mail) when I ran into
a possible bug, which manifested itself when temacs would core dump.

Due to a configuration error, xemacs was getting the wrong numbers for where
the data segment started and ended, which caused check_memory_limits() to 
improperly figure out how much memory xemacs had allocated. 

So, here's what happened:

malloc() calls morecore() which calls align() which calls
check_memory_limits() which due to the config problem decided that it should
issue a warning that you are running out of memory which involves calling
malloc_warning() which eventually results in malloc() getting called again.

Poof. Nice big core dump.

Fixing the config problem made this all go away, but the fact remains that 
it's possible for xemacs to go into infinite recursion if morecore() results
in a warning message. 

In my case, this was happening on the very first call to morecore(), so it's
quite possible that this isn't a risk if xemacs already has some memory
allocated. 

-- 
 Brady Montz
 bradym@cs.arizona.edu

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From: Rajesh Raman <rajesh@host59.oblix.com>
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I have a problem setting up my Xeamcs ( 19.14 ) properly to read mail via a POP
server provided by an service provider...According the FAQ, I have set the
vm-spool-files variables to my INBOX, SPOOLNAME and CRASHBOX...This works fine
as far as getting my mail from the server is concerned, however every time I
invoke vm, it treats the already read mail in INBOX as new mails and appends
the same mails to it...The effect is that all the read mail from the INBOX gets
duplicated everytime I invoke vm...

Can anyone help me out here... ( e-mail will be appreciated)

thanks,
rajesh@oblix.com

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From: Richard Coleman <coleman@math.gatech.edu>
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Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
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> Epoch was designed by Simon Kaplan and Alan Carroll and originally
> implemented mostly by Alan Carroll.  The 4.0 release which had the
> first Emacs redisplay engine to support variable width and height was
> designed and implemented by Chris Love.  After Chris graduated Marc
> Andreesen took over as the Epoch maintainer and put out the last ever
> releases of Epoch.  I replaced Marc as the "official" Epoch maintainer
> but I never actually did any work on the Epoch source code.  I don't
> think Marc actually did quite as much work on Epoch as he was supposed
> to because he was busy working on some new piece of software called
> Mosaic.  I'm sure he regrets spending more time on Mosaic than Epoch.

Yeah.  Must be terrible to be VP of a multi-million dollor
company.  I'm sure he feels bad about that, everytime he goes
to deposit his paycheck :-)

Richard Coleman
coleman@math.gatech.edu

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From: lkitsis@sunset.cs.biu.ac.il (Lev Kitsis)
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 I got Xemacs version 19.14 ...
 when I work on Java/C/C++ in it I can see all the function and commands in different colors
 The Question is - How can I add to standard list of function The Functions I made on my own
 so I'll be able to watch them in colors .
 for example :
 the (INT) type colored green and  ( font-lock-type-face ) ....
 the FOR's and IF's colored blue
 How can I add my function by the name THREAD (for example )
 to the list and then adjust it with the proper fonts and colors ( if I can choose 'em by myself).
 THANX...

--
____________________________________________________________               
| Lev A. Kitsis == Young hacker and UNIX maniac ;-)))      |
| My WWW-HomePage: http://www.cs.biu.ac.il:8080/~lkitsis/  |
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Paul D. Smith (psmith@baynetworks.com) wrote:
> %% Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
>   en> * Jamie Zawinski
>   en> | ... Unix editor ...
>   en> | ... Unix-heads ...
>   en> utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.
> Unless I'm mistaken, XEmacs _is_... isn't it?

There is not fundamental reason why XEmacs could not be ported to
other platforms, the way GNU Emacs was.  It's just that noone hasn't
volunteered to do it.

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com>
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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> * Jamie Zawinski
> | ... Unix editor ...
> | ... Unix-heads ...
> 
> utterly amazing.  Jamie Zawinsky actually thinks Emacs is bound to Unix.

At least spell my name right, buttercup.


Allow me to turn on my Nag 'Em Filter (tm) and reply in the style to
which you seem to have become accustomed:

    WHERE did I say that?  WHY must you continue to put LIES in my
    mouth??  That's exactly the sort of thing I've come to expect
    from your side.  Your response is so remarkably stupid, it can
    only have been meant to pander to the ignorant fools who have
    already come under your sway.  Haven't you read anything I've 
    said?  Don't you believe in TRUTH?  I guess not.  That utterly
    pathetic response is so typical, it's clear that you're not
    interested in having an actual discussion.

    Why can't you be a little more polite?  I've been flawlessly
    calm, as in this message, and all you people do is call me names.
    Why must you make it personal?  Do you have something to hide?

    You and your revisionist history remind me of Hitler.


Have you heard?  ActiveX is not bound to Windows!  Oh, and here's
another good one: I heard once that GNU was Not Unix.  Ha ha ha ha ha.

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/

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* Jamie Zawinski
| Ha ha ha ha ha.

geez.  I'm glad you're enjoying yourself.  I'm also _delighted_ that you
are not involved in XEmacs, anymore.  if only you would follow your own
advice and make a clean cut and get out of here permanently.  why the hell
do you insist on being a pest around people who're working on a cheesy
little Unix editor when you could have had all the bliss in the world
working on a crummy little web browser?

#\Erik
-- 
Please address private replies to "erik".  Mail to "nobody" is discarded.

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Kevin Penrose (kpenrose@ml.com) wrote:
> Great, all of these 'mine is bigger than yours' responses, but
> no one has the chutzpah to post theirs.  Come on guys!  I really
> would like to see what you've got.

Well, that was the introductory contest. :-)

Here they are: .emacs, .gnus and sigs.el (my support for multiple
signatures).

.emacs:
=======
;;
;; My (who would have guessed) own .emacs file
;;

;;
;; General stuff
;;

;; Determine emacs version
(setq running-xemacs (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version))

;; We'll need cl
(require 'cl)

;; If we don't have console-on-window-system-p, make it
(unless (fboundp 'console-on-window-system-p)
  (defun console-on-window-system-p (&optional cons)
    window-system))

;; Some all-time settings
(setq user-mail-address "hniksic@srce.hr"
      kill-whole-line t                        ; C-k on the beginning kills it whole.
      compile-command "make"                ; Don't you hate the "make -k" default?
      grep-command "egrep -n "                ; I like egrep.
      ;; Add my personal site-lisp to the beginning of load-path
      load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/site-lisp") load-path)
      load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/work/lisp") load-path)
      load-path (cons (expand-file-name "~/work/lisp/gnus-alpha/lisp") load-path)
      ;; Enable calling a minibuffer from a buffer generated by a minibuffer
      minibuffer-max-depth nil
      ;; I may once regret this, but hey... autosave is still there :)
      make-backup-files nil
      ;; No newlines at EOF
      next-line-add-newlines nil
      ;; Make ange-ftp recognize anonymous account
      ange-ftp-generate-anonymous-password t
      ;; Ange-FTP will recognize lack of username as anonymous
      ange-ftp-default-user "anonymous"
      ;; No comment to this
      passwd-invert-frame-when-keyboard-grabbed nil
      ;; Enable stupid command-teaching in XEmacs
      teach-extended-commands-p t
      teach-extended-commands-timeout 1
      ;; Says all...
      mouse-yank-at-point t)

;; Enable eval-expression, narrow-to-region and erase-buffer.
(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)
(put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil)
(put 'erase-buffer 'disabled nil)
(put 'downcase-region 'disabled nil)

;; I want to use nescaffe for browsing...
(setq browse-url-browser-function (if (console-on-window-system-p)
                                      'browse-url-netscape
                                    'browse-url-lynx-emacs))

;; Font-locking is nice :-)
(require 'font-lock)

;; Fixes for 19.14 bogosities:
(if running-xemacs
    (if (not (console-on-window-system-p))
        (if (member (console-tty-terminal-type) '("linux" "rxvt" "dtterm"))
            (set-device-class (selected-device) 'color)
          ;; mono tty devices
          (set-device-class (selected-device) 'mono)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-comment-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-string-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-doc-string-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-keyword-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-function-name-face)
          (set-face-underline-p 'font-lock-function-name-face t 'global 'tty)
          (copy-face 'underline 'font-lock-type-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-reference-face)
          (copy-face 'bold 'font-lock-variable-name-face))
      (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-variable-name-face "dark red")
      (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-keyword-face "darkorange3")
      (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-type-face "dark slate blue")
      (set-face-foreground 'font-lock-comment-face "red2")))

;; GNU Emacs can't handle colored background gracefully
(unless running-xemacs
  (set-face-background 'default "white"))

;; Font-lock by default.
(setq-default font-lock-auto-fontify t
              font-lock-maximum-decoration t)

;; Dired beautification:
(if running-xemacs
    (add-hook 'dired-load-hook
              (lambda ()
                (require 'dired-xemacs-highlight)
                (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-boring "DarkGoldenrod")
                (set-face-foreground 'dired-face-socket "DarkCyan"))
              t))

;; A nifty gc pointer...
(if (featurep 'xpm)
    (let ((file (expand-file-name "recycle.xpm" data-directory)))
      (if (condition-case error
              ;; check to make sure we can use the pointer.
              (make-image-instance file nil '(pointer))
            (error nil))            ; returns nil if an error occurred.
          (set-glyph-image gc-pointer-glyph file))))

;; Disable menu bars in GNU Emacs on tty-s.
(and (featurep 'menu-bar)
     (not (console-on-window-system-p))
     (menu-bar-mode nil))

;; We want font menu to work on all frames.
(setq font-menu-this-frame-only-p nil)

;; No indent-tabs-mode
(setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)

;; Initialize changes to cc-mode & friends
(require 'cc-mode)
(c-add-style "hrv"
             '((c-basic-offset . 3)
               (c-offsets-alist . ((substatement-open . 0)
                                   (case-label        . +)))
               ))
(add-hook 'c-mode-common-hook
          (lambda ()
            (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
            (c-set-style "hrv")))
(setq c-macro-preprocessor "gcc -C -E -")

;; Display line/column in the modeline.
(if (fboundp 'display-column-mode)
    (display-column-mode 1))

;; Add the hostname (without the domainname) to frame title
(let ((hname (system-name)))
  (string-match "^\\([^.]*\\)" hname)
  (setq frame-title-format
        (concat "%S@" (match-string 1 hname) ": %b")))

;;
;; Various mode settings
;;
(setq auto-mode-alist
      (append '(("\\.[^/]*sh[^/]*rc$" . ksh-mode)
                ("\\.[^/]*funct" . ksh-mode)
                ("\\.[^/]*alias" . ksh-mode)
                ("login$" . ksh-mode)
                ("\\.\\(SCORE\\|ADAPT\\)$" . gnus-score-mode)
                ("\\.fvwmrc" . fvwm-mode))
                auto-mode-alist))

;; Resize minibuffer
(when running-xemacs
  (autoload 'resize-minibuffer-mode "rsz-minibuf" nil t)
  (resize-minibuffer-mode)
  (setq resize-minibuffer-window-exactly nil))

;; Common hook for comint-based modes, like gdb and shell
(defun my-comint-common-hook ()
  (local-set-key [up] 'comint-previous-matching-input-from-input)
  (local-set-key [down] 'comint-next-matching-input-from-input)
  (local-set-key "\C-u" 'comint-universal-argument))
(add-hook 'gdb-mode-hook 'my-comint-common-hook)
(add-hook 'shell-mode-hook 'my-comint-common-hook)
(add-hook 'telnet-mode-hook 'my-comint-common-hook)

;; FVWM mode
(autoload 'fvwm-mode "fvwm-mode"
  "Mode for editing fvwm config files." t nil)

(require 'latin2)
(when (featurep 'latin2)
  (global-set-key "\C-x\C-r" 'latin2-mode)
  (latin2-set-display 'latin2)
  (latin2-set-keyboard 'us))

;;
;; Message mode settings:
;;

;; Add font-lock and auto-fill mode (i.e. wordwrap) to news-reply-mode
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook
          (lambda ()
            (interactive)
            (turn-on-font-lock)
            (turn-on-auto-fill)
            (local-set-key "\C-x\C-k" 'my-message-kill-to-sig)))

(require 'sigs)
(setq message-signature 'sigs-random-signature)

;; Latin2 support
(when (featurep 'latin2)
  ;; Display article with translation
  (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'latin2-translate-receive)
  (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'latin2-translate-receive)
  (add-hook 'message-send-hook 'latin2-translate-send)
  (add-hook 'message-header-setup-hook
            (lambda () (if (latin2-newsgroup gnus-newsgroup-name)
                           (latin2-add-headers)))))
(setq message-default-headers
      (concat
       "X-URL: ftp://gnjilux.cc.fer.hr/pub/unix/util/wget/\n"
       "X-Attribution: Hrv\n"
       "X-Face: &}4JQk=L;e.~x+|eo]#DGk@x3~ed!.~lZ}YQcYb7f[WL9L'Z*+OyA\\nAEL1M(\".[qvI#a2E\n 6WYI5>>e7'@_)3Ol9p|Nn2wNa/;~06jL*B%tTcn/XvhAu7qeES0\\|MF%$;sI#yn1+y\"\n"))

(setq message-citation-line-function
      (lambda nil
        (if message-reply-headers
            (insert
             (get-address (mail-header-from message-reply-headers))))))

(setq
 message-syntax-checks '((signature . disabled))
 message-xmas-dont-activate-region t)

;;
;; Function definitions
;;

;; Make C-h act as delete, if wanted
(defun kill-control-h ()
  "Make C-h delete instead of calling help"
  (interactive)
  (keyboard-translate ?\C-h ?\C-?))

;; Vi-style parentheses matching
(defun match-paren (arg)
  "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis otherwise insert %."
  (interactive "p")
  (cond ((looking-at "\\s\(") (forward-list 1) (backward-char 1))
        ((looking-at "\\s\)") (forward-char 1) (backward-list 1))
        (t (self-insert-command (or arg 1)))))

(defun insert-wget-url (ver)
  (interactive "sVersion: ")
  (insert "<URL:ftp://gnjilux.cc.fer.hr/pub/unix/util/wget/wget-"
          ver
          ".tar.gz>"))

(defun toolbar-news ()
  "Run GNUS in a separate frame."
  (interactive)
  (when (or (not toolbar-news-frame)
            (not (frame-live-p toolbar-news-frame)))
    (setq toolbar-news-frame (make-frame))
    (add-hook 'gnus-exit-gnus-hook
              (lambda ()
                (when (frame-live-p toolbar-news-frame)
                  (if (cdr (frame-list))
                      (delete-frame toolbar-news-frame))
                  (setq toolbar-news-frame nil))))
    (select-frame toolbar-news-frame)
    (raise-frame toolbar-news-frame)
    (gnus))
  (if (frame-iconified-p toolbar-news-frame)
      (deiconify-frame toolbar-news-frame))
  (select-frame toolbar-news-frame)
  (raise-frame toolbar-news-frame))

(defun my-change-log-exit ()
  "Save the changelog buffer and get it *far* out of the way."
  (interactive)
  (save-buffer)
  (bury-buffer)
  (if (cdr (window-list))
      (delete-window)))
(defun my-change-log-abandon ()
  "Abandon changes to the ChangeLog."
  (interactive)
  (set-buffer-modified-p nil)
  (kill-buffer (current-buffer))
  (if (cdr (window-list))
      (delete-window)))
(add-hook 'change-log-mode-hook
          (lambda ()
            (setq indent-tabs-mode t)
            (local-set-key "\C-c\C-c" 'my-change-log-exit)
            (local-set-key "\C-c\C-k" 'my-change-log-abandon)))

(defun my-message-kill-to-sig ()
  "Kill to the end of message signature."
  (interactive)
  (let ((pnt (point)))
    (message-goto-signature)
    (forward-line -2)
    (delete-region pnt (point))))

(defun get-address (from &optional message-id)
  "Return normal address string from From: line and optional message-id"
  (let ((lst (mail-extract-address-components from)))
    (concat (if message-id (concat "In article " message-id " "))
            (car lst) " (" (nth 1 lst) ") wrote:\n")))

;;
;; Global key-bindings
;;
(global-set-key "\C-M" 'newline-and-indent)
(global-set-key "%" 'match-paren)
(define-key minibuffer-local-map [(shift tab)] [tab])

;; vt[2-4]* terminal bindings
(global-set-key [select] 'delete-char)

;; Borland-compatible bindings (shame on me!)
(global-set-key [(control f1)] 'manual-entry-at-point)
(global-set-key [f2] 'save-buffer)
(global-set-key [f3] 'find-file)
(global-set-key [f9] 'compile)
(global-set-key [f8] 'gdb)

;; Miscellaneous
(global-set-key [f6] 'undo)
(global-set-key [f7] (lambda () (interactive) (copy-from-above-command 1)))
(global-set-key [find] 'isearch-forward)
(global-set-key [do] 'execute-extended-command)
(global-set-key [help] 'help-for-help)
(global-set-key "\C-cg" 'gnus)
(global-set-key "\C-xm" 'message-mail)

;; Define f2 for vt* terminals (this one was not necessary in 19.13!)
(define-key function-key-map "\e[12~" [f2])

;;; Long live delete
;;(if (console-on-window-system-p)
;;    (load-library "delbackspace"))

;;; For ddzeko
;;(paren-set-mode 'sexp)

(require 'scroll-in-place)

.gnus:
======
;;; Hey Emacs, this is your own -*- emacs-lisp -*-

;;;
;;; Gnus
;;;

;; obsolete:
;; '(("zsh.workers" "^X-Mailing-List: <zsh")
;;   ("gnus.announce" "^Sender: owner-ding-announce")
;;   ("squid.list" "^X-Mailing-List: <squid")
;;   ("fetch.reports" "^Subject: .*\\(geturl\\|fetch\\)")
;;   ("xemacs.beta" "^From xemacs")
;;   ("hrvatski.vjesnik" "^From [Hh]rvatski.[Vv]jesnik")
;;   ("mail.misc" "")))

(setq
 gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
 nnmail-expiry-wait 'immediate
 nnmail-use-long-file-names t
 nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy
 nnmail-split-fancy
 '(| ("x-mailing-list" "zsh" "zsh.workers")
     ("x-mailing-list" "squid" "squid.list")
     ("sender" "owner-ding-announce" "gnus.announce")
     ("return-path" "ding-request" "gnus.discuss")
     ("received" "xemacs-beta" "xemacs.beta")
     ("sender" "hrvatski.vjesnik" "hrvatski.vjesnik")
     ("sender" "owner-robots" "robots.discuss")
     ("from" "gnus-bug" "mail.gnus-bugfixing")
     ("subject" "wget\\|w?fetch\\|geturl" "wget.reports")
     "private"))

(setq nnmail-delete-incoming nil)

;; Can't live without topics any more :)
(add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode)
(setq gnus-xmas-force-redisplay nil)

;; Watch out for these two (especially the second)!!!!!!
(setq gnus-novice-user nil
      gnus-expert-user t
      gnus-visual t)

(setq gnus-large-newsgroup 2000
      gnus-verbose 10
      gnus-verbose-backends 6
      gnus-view-pseudo-asynchronously t
      gnus-summary-goto-unread nil)

(setq gnus-default-article-saver 'gnus-summary-save-in-file
      gnus-use-long-file-name t
      gnus-prompt-before-saving t
      gnus-kill-files-directory "~/.scores")
;; Get rid of archive
;; gnus-message-archive-group nil)

(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-highlight t)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-emphasize t)

;;(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook 'something)

(setq gnus-thread-sort-functions
      '(gnus-thread-sort-by-number gnus-thread-sort-by-total-score))

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server
      gnus-save-killed-list nil
      gnus-subscribe-newsgroup-method 'gnus-subscribe-hierarchically
      gnus-subscribe-hierarchical-interactive t)

(random t)
(setq message-signature t)

(setq gnus-visible-headers "^From:\\|^Newsgroups:\\|^Subject:\\|^Date:\\|^Followup-To:\\|^Reply-To:\\|^Organization:\\|^Summary:\\|^Keywords:\\|^To:\\|^Cc:\\|^X-")

(cond ((not (console-on-window-system-p))
       (setq gnus-signature-face 'default)
       (setq gnus-cite-attribution-face 'italic)
       (setq gnus-cite-face-list '(default))))

(define-key gnus-group-mode-map "\C-_" 'gnus-undo)

site-lisp/sigs.el:
=================
;;; Random .sigs

(defvar sigs-template "~/.Sigs/template")

(defvar sigs-file "~/.Sigs/all"
  "The file where all the sigs are held.")

(defvar sigs-regexp "^[@%~]$"
  "Regexp to delimit signatures.")

(defvar sigs-list nil)

(defun sigs-build-siglist ()
  "Build the list of random signatures."
  (setq sigs-list nil)
  (save-excursion
    (set-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *sigs*"))
    (unwind-protect
        (let ((lastpos (point-min)))
          (insert-file-contents sigs-file)
          (goto-char lastpos)
          (while (re-search-forward sigs-regexp nil t)
            (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
            (push (buffer-substring lastpos (point))
                  sigs-list)
            (forward-line 1)
            (setq lastpos (point)))
          (setq sigs-list (nreverse sigs-list)))
      ;; Make sure buffer is killed
      (kill-buffer (current-buffer))))
  sigs-list)

(defun sigs-random-signature (&optional append)
  "Returns a random signature. The signatures are stored in the file
specified in `signature-files'.  If called interactively, it will
insert the signature into the current buffer."
  (interactive)
  (unless sigs-list
      (sigs-build-siglist))
  (let ((this-sig "") cnt)
    (save-excursion
      (when sigs-list
        (setq
         cnt (random (length sigs-list))
         this-sig (nth cnt sigs-list)))
      (set-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *signature template*"))
      (unwind-protect
          (progn
            (insert-file-contents sigs-template)
            (setq this-sig (concat (buffer-substring (point-min) (point-max))
                                   this-sig)))
        ;; Make sure buffer is killed
        (kill-buffer (current-buffer))))
    (if (interactive-p)
        (insert this-sig)
      this-sig)))

(provide 'sigs)

-- 
Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia
--------------------------------+--------------------------------
`VI' - An editor used by those heretics that don't subscribe to
       the Emacs religion.

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    Jamie> Allow me to turn on my Nag 'Em Filter (tm) and
    Jamie> reply in the style to which you seem to have
    Jamie> become accustomed:

    Jamie>     WHERE did I say that?  WHY must you
    Jamie> continue to put LIES in my mouth??  That's
    Jamie> exactly the sort of thing I've come to expect
    Jamie> from your side.  Your response is so remarkably
    Jamie> stupid, it can only have been meant to pander
    Jamie> to the ignorant fools who have already come
    Jamie> under your sway.  Haven't you read anything
    Jamie> I've said?  Don't you believe in TRUTH?  I
    Jamie> guess not.  That utterly pathetic response is
    Jamie> so typical, it's clear that you're not
    Jamie> interested in having an actual discussion.

    Jamie>     Why can't you be a little more polite?
    Jamie> I've been flawlessly calm, as in this message,
    Jamie> and all you people do is call me names. Why
    Jamie> must you make it personal?  Do you have
    Jamie> something to hide?

    Jamie>     You and your revisionist history remind me
    Jamie> of Hitler.

Pretty good, but you _forgot_ to *emphasize* words that
__really__ need to be STRESSED using -every- <B>possible</B>
*METHOD*.  Don't you *know* that arguments are MUCH
more _meaningful_ when thoroughly ***over-punctuated***?

<FONT SIZE=7 COLOR="#ff0000"><B><BLINK>Pez</BLINK></B></FONT>

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des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:

> 
> In article <bci4tilrdy3.fsf@corp.sun.com>,
> 	Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
> >
> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> > 
> > Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
> 
> Seems to be.
> 
> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
> 
> -- 
> Des Herriott
> des@corp.netcom.net.uk

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> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> > 
> > Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
> 
> Seems to be.
> 
> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
> 

48023 bytes in 8 files, not counting .xemacs-options and other files
that I didn't write.

========================================================================
Steve Burgett                                   EECS Robotics Laboratory
http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~burgett/     University of California
burgett@eecs.berkeley.edu                       Berkeley, CA 94720-1770



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des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:

> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> > 
> > Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
> 
> Seems to be.
> 
> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
> 

48023 bytes in 8 files, not counting .xemacs-options and other files
that I didn't write.

========================================================================
Steve Burgett                                   EECS Robotics Laboratory
http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~burgett/     University of California
burgett@eecs.berkeley.edu                       Berkeley, CA 94720-1770



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Subject: postscript printing with faces
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I am trying to pretty print from xemacs and would like to use syntax 
highlighting using fonts in my printed output since my printer doesn't
color. I'm not having any luck and I've tried too many combinations to
post here. Can someone give me a few simple steps to get set up.


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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Xemacs and Calc-202e
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In article <9611151845.AA04402@thymus.synaptics.com> daveg@synaptics.com (Dave Gillespie) writes:

> > Calc202e also will not work correctly with prefix keys in XEmacs,

>     (and prefix
> +	 nil
> 	 (not calc-is-keypad-press)
> 	 (let ((event (calc-read-key t)))

Dave, just to make sure, should one disable this only for XEmacs, or for
late versions of Emacs too? Could you put in a smarter disabling form
(maybe involving emacs-version)?

Regards, Vlad

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Just a layman's remark, and from a person who uses a tty (vt100) a lot: I
do think that XEmacs's display performance on a tty should be addressed. It
feels somehow unfair to suffer slower display performance when you can't
benefit from variable-height fonts etc anyway. On a 14.4kbps modem it's
bearable, except when debugging elisp, where one can see the unnecessary
redisplays flying around.

Is it technically feasible to keep two versions of the display engine (one
general and the other tty-optimised) and use the one that's appropriate for
the current frame?

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Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
> Jamie Zawinski <jwz@netscape.com> writes:
> > I find this latest flare-up really funny, actually, since I've been
> > thinking about and working on things that have such wider-ranging impact
> > than a cheesy little Unix editor that's only used by hackers.  It was a
> 
> If you mean WWW ,netscape & spin-offs. Don't you find it funny 
> that quite a few guys making WWW-waves have hacked on that editor only
> used by hackers. (Marc Andreesen(sp?) designed Epoch, did't he?)

Jamie's comment reminded me of a similar comment somebody made early in this
thread, about how funny it was that there was such passionate debate over
Emacs when the stakes were so small.  It vividly illustrates the cultural
rift between those for whom the ability to make money and entertain
consumers are the most important features of a program, and those who
program more for the sake of the advancement of the art and the empowerment
of users.

I code for a living as well as to practice the art, but I will be eternally
grateful to the hackers who live to code.

-- Mark Hood

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Check out the variable dabbrev-case-replace. Mine is set to 
 '(memq major-mode '(text-mode indented-text-mode mail-mode news-reply-mode))

There's a number fo ways to get to this info. Eg one is `C-u C-h a dabbrev
RET' (hyper-apropos with argument) which lists the user-callable commands
and the user-relevant variables re dabbrev. How can you know that M-/ has
to do with dabbrev? Use C-h M-/ to see what the key invokes.

Note: do the `C-h a' AFTER you've used M-/ at least once to ensure that
dabbrev.el is loaded (including the documentation about the variables).

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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Cognot <cognot@fronsac.ensg.u-nancy.fr> writes:

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Bowlzer <Steve.Bowlzer@durham.ac.uk> writes:
 ...
Stephen> File mode specification error: (void-function
Stephen> easy-menu-create-keymaps)

Richard> [...]

Richard> [Don't know if this is in the FAQ, but I guess it should be]

It's been in there awhile:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-subsystems.html#Q4_7_4

Subject: Q4.7.4 Problems installing AucTeX

   Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof@math.ethz.ch> writes:
   AucTeX works fine on both stock Emacs and XEmacs has been doing so for
   a very very long time. This is mostly due to the work of Per
   Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> (clap clap) in particular his
   easymenu package. Which leads to what is probably the problem ...

   Most problems with AucTeX are one of two things:
    1. The TeX-lisp-directory in tex-site.el and the makefile don't match
       Fix: make sure you configure AucTeX properly before installing
    2. You have an old version of easymenu.el in your path
       Fix: use locate-library and remove old versions to make sure it
       only finds the one that came with XEmacs.



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>>>>> "Wayne" == Wayne Dahl <wayne@coryphaeus.com> writes:

Wayne> Ricardo Marek wrote:

Ricardo> Switching to a color printing option, I get faces, but a damm
Ricardo> background for comments, reserved words, strings that make
Ricardo> the code almost unreadable. (foreground and background are
Ricardo> almost the same.)

Wayne> (setq ps-print-color-p nil)

That will make the printout come out in black & white, it doesn't
solve Ricardo's problem.  ps-print does currently lose when there is a
non-default background color.
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From: lkitsis@sunset.cs.biu.ac.il (Lev Kitsis)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Help Problems with the XEmacs
Date: 21 Nov 1996 00:23:33 GMT
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 I got Xemacs version 19.14 ...
 when I work on Java/C/C++ in it I can see all the function and commands in different colors
 The Question is - How can I add to standard list of function The Functions I made on my own
 so I'll be able to watch them in colors .
 for example :
 the (INT) type colored green and  ( font-lock-type-face ) ....
 the FOR's and IF's colored blue
 How can I add my function by the name THREAD (for example )
 to the list and then adjust it with the proper fonts and colors ( if I can choose 'em by myself).
 THANX...
 

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>>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:

Des> In article <bci4tilrdy3.fsf@corp.sun.com>,
Des> 	Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:

Gary> Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
Gary> 
Gary> Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?

(At least it's better than a stupid flame war).

Des> Seems to be.

Des> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
Des> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.

$ ll .custom.el .emacs .gnus-custom .gnus5.2.el
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel        2138 Jan 26  1996 .custom.el
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       39232 Nov 19 21:22 .emacs
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel        3939 Oct 27 17:43 .gnus-custom
-rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       15073 Nov 18 11:21 .gnus5.2.el

Portable to Emacs 19.34, XEmacs 19.14, 19.15 and 20.0, Gnus 5.2 & 5.3,
and Red Gnus.  :-)

Next?
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>>>>> "John" == John Turner <turner@branagh.lanl.gov> writes:
>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Penrose <kpenrose@ml.com> writes:

Kevin> Is there some repository of all of the various settings
Kevin> that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?

The Gnus FAQ has a lot of suggestions about things to put in a .gnus
file.  If you look hard enough on Dejanews you should find mine
somewhere, as I've posted versions of it a couple of times.

 ...

Kevin> Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
Kevin> you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

Select Help->Sample .emacs from the menubar and start customizing :-).
It is a very good .emacs, and certainly a good basis to start from.

John> This brings to mind an exchange a while ago:

John> Initial statement:
John> "One could conceivably spend a lifetime configuring Emacs."

John> Response:
John> "What do you mean, 'conceivably'?"

:-)  Absolutely.

Corollary:
One could conceivably learn one new feature about Emacs every day, and
still not learn about all the features in Emacs.
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Subject: Re: gdbsrc-mode: C-c C-c does not work in gdb buffer
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I saw this the first time you posted it, the answer was posted on
November 6.  Guess you subscribed the newsgroup a few days too late :-(.

>>>>> "Bodo" == Bodo Teichmann <tmn@iis.fhg.de> writes:

Bodo> xemacs 19.14: gdbsrc-mode: 'C-c C-c' does not work in gdb buffer while
Bodo> 'C-c C-z' does; menu:comint2 INT works also

Bodo> i tried to define the keybinding on several places in my .emacs and in
Bodo> the gdbsrc.el ( and some other .el files; and yes: i byte-compiled the
Bodo> files after the change) . 

Bodo> the keybinding works allways, if evaluated *after*
Bodo> starting the gdbsrc-mode (with 'C-x e'), but it does not work
Bodo> autmaticaly after starting gdbsrc.

Bodo> any ideas ?

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Subject: Re: gdb: ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work
>From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
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>>>>> "Susan" == Susan Osofsky <susano@adobe.com> writes:

Susan> I switched to xemacs 19.14 and now when I run gdb in xemacs,
Susan> ctrl-c ctrl-c doesn't work.  I get no response from gdb.  I.e.,
Susan> gdb doesn't break.  The ctrl-c ctrl-c shortcut is indeed set to
Susan> gdb-control-c-subjob.  If I try M-x gdb-control-c-subjob,
Susan> nothing happens either.

Susan> Any suggestions?

I was able to duplicate the problem you describe on Linux 2, and it is
due to sending a naked Control C character at the gdb process when no
interrupt character is defined on the pseudo tty.  In other words,
gdb-control-c-subjob is totally broken.

Try adding this to your environment and see if it works a little better:

(require 'gdb)
(fset 'gdb-control-c-subjob 'comint-interrupt-subjob)


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Rebytecompile mailcrypt and all will be well.  The answer to this
question and many others is in the XEmacs FAQ at:
	http://www.miranova.com/~steve/xemacs-faq.html
	http://www.xemacs.org/faq/xemacs-faq.html

>>>>> "P" == P Bryan Heidorn <heidorn@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> writes:

P> I found the appended message in the archive of the comp.emacs.xemacs
P> news group but no solution. 

P> I had the same problem on 19.13. I switched to
P> VM with XEmacs 19.14 on IRIX 5.3 and have the same problem with a new
P> message:

P> Signalling: (invalid-function (macro . #<compiled-function (from
 ...

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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Magnusson <Anders.Magnusson@hallf.lth.se> writes:

 [problem with ispell]

Anders> Is this a bug that has been fixed to version 3.1.20 or have I
Anders> missconfigured anything (I don't think so, as it didn't
Anders> complain when i did ispell file). Any help appreciated.

I heard from the maintainer of ispell.el that both 3.1.18 and 3.1.20
have some problems.  Perhaps that's what biting you.  I can't find the
message right now, so I can't be more specific, sorry.

There is a known problem with ispell.el getting confused when local
variables are present in a buffer being spell checked.
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>>>>> "Levent" == Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com> writes:

Levent> I meant to say I am using
Levent> 	(add-hook 'create-frame-hook '(load "lna-menus" ))
Levent> but it seems like this only works for the first frame. It
Levent> looks like I have to hook it up to buffer creation.

create-frame-hook is a different sort of hook, and you're not
attaching the right kind of function to it.

Levent> Is there a main menu
Levent> template that I can modify using *-menu -* functions?

One problem is in your hook function.
C-h v create-frame-hook

create-frame-hook's value is nil
  -- a simple built-in variable.

Documentation:
Function or functions to call when a frame is created.
One argument, the newly-created frame.

So you need to supply a function that takes a frame parameter.

The (load "lna-menus") command is only going to be useful once as
well.

HTH
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>>>>> "logos" == logos  <logos@algonet.se> writes:

logos> Is it possible to edit simultaneously several files in Xemacs or in
logos> GNU Emacs 19.- ?

Yes to both.

logos> How can this be done?

There are many ways.  Here are three:

1. File -> Open... on the menubar (Files->Open File... in Emacs 19.34)

2. Click on the Open glyph on the tool bar.

3. Type `C-x C-f' from the keyboard.

You may edit hundreds of files simultaneously this way.  Take a look
through the tutorial for simple examples (Help -> XEmacs tutorial from
the menubar, or `C-h t' from the keyboard).

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Neal Becker <neal@ctd.comsat.com> writes:

> 'efs' will work.  I've forgotten where to find it.  Anyone?

  ftp://alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu/efs

and fixes for XEmacs at:

  http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/ange/efs

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>>>>> "Jukka" == Jukka Partanen <jukka.partanen@research.nokia.com> writes:

Jukka> 	Hi!

Jukka> 	There is one very annoying feature in XEmacs 19.14. The
Jukka> 	entries in the completion window are not formatted properly if
Jukka> 	they appear in a window which is narrower than the frame (ie.
Jukka> 	horizontally divided frames). There is a comment about this
Jukka> 	behavior in display-completion-list (modes/list-mode.el):
 
Jukka>                        ;; This needs fixing for the case of
Jukka>                        ;; windows that aren't the same width's
Jukka>                        ;; the frame.  Sadly, the window it will
Jukka>                        ;; appear in is not known until after
Jukka>                        ;; the text has been made.

Jukka> 	Has this been fixed in current sources, or does anyone have a
Jukka> 	workaround?

No it hasn't. :-( You can always use the horizontal scrollbar to see
the right side of the buffer though.

You might try experimenting with putting some advice after
minibuffer-completion-help (the function that displays the completion
list).
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From: cotton@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Scott)
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For the longest time, I used xemacs in this environment without
problem.  suddenly, without my performing any system changes or
changes to xemacs configuration, every time xemacs does file IO
it returns the following error and crasshes:

Fatal error: assertion failed, file signal.c, line 327,
async_timer_suppress_count > 0

Fatal error (6).
Your files have been auto-saved.
IOT trap

I don't even know where to begin on this one.  so any help anyone can
provide would be greatly appreciated.  It took forever to build this
thing, and I don't really want to do that again.

Scott
 
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  "kent-lee" == kent-lee  <kent-lee@uiowa.edu> writes:

kent-lee> I am trying to pretty print from xemacs and would like to
kent-lee> use syntax highlighting using fonts in my printed output
kent-lee> since my printer doesn't color. I'm not having any luck and
kent-lee> I've tried too many combinations to post here. Can someone
kent-lee> give me a few simple steps to get set up.

Well sort off. You can play with bold and italic and changing
their font 

>From ps-print.el

;; How Ps-Print Deals With Fonts
;;
;; The ps-print-*-with-faces commands attempt to determine which faces
;; should be printed in bold or italic, but their guesses aren't
;; always right.  For example, you might want to map colors into faces
;; so that blue faces print in bold, and red faces in italic.
;;
;; It is possible to force ps-print to consider specific faces bold or
;; italic, no matter what font they are displayed in, by setting the
;; variables ps-bold-faces and ps-italic-faces.  These variables
;; contain lists of faces that ps-print should consider bold or
;; italic; to set them, put code like the following into your .emacs
;; file:
;;
;;      (setq ps-bold-faces '(my-blue-face))
;;      (setq ps-italic-faces '(my-red-face))
;;
;; Faces like bold-italic that are both bold and italic should go in
;; *both* lists.
;;
;; Ps-print does not attempt to guess the sizes of fonts; all text is
;; rendered using the Courier font family, in 10 point size.  To
;; change the font family, change the variables ps-font, ps-font-bold,
;; ps-font-italic, and ps-font-bold-italic; fixed-pitch fonts work
;; best, but are not required.  To change the font size, change the
;; variable ps-font-size.


Frossie
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It seems that the extent code in 19.14 treats extents as if they have
the open-start property when they don't.  This breaks the code in
atomic-extents.el - when you insert a character before an atomic
extent the cursor ends up after the extent.

I want to know if this bug is known, before I start digging around in
the code? (I couldn't find it on DejaNews.)

The version string is:

 XEmacs 19.14 [Lucid] (i586-unknown-linux2.0.0) of Mon Jun 24 1996 on notung


Steve
dunham@gdl.msu.edu


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Hrvoje Niksic writes:

> (setq lst nil)
> (while condition
>   (...process and bind variable x...)
>   (nconc lst (list x)))

> This doesn't work, since (nconc lst '(something)) does not change lst
> if it is nil.  This is why my solution is something like:

What about:

(setq lst
 (let* ((plst (list 'dummy)) ; list initialized with a head node
        (tlst plst)) ; always the tail of the list
   (while condition
     (...process and bind variable x...)
     (setq tlst (cdr (nconc tlst (list x))))
   (cdr plst)))

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From: Shlomo Mahlab <shlomo@oren.co.il>
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Hi all.

Every once in a while w3 connction fails with this error:
`connection failed: address already in use, www.spe.sony.com, WWW'
When I wait for a few seconds, and follow the link again, connection
succeed.
Why is that?
How can I make w3 wait and retry connection it self?
-- 
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	Shlomo Mahlab

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Ar 19 Nov 1996 13:07:48 -0800, ysgrifennodd Gary D. Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com>:
|Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
|
|> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
|> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
|> 
|> P.S.
|> 
|> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
|> grow.
|
|Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
|

Heh that's nothing, my dfxemacs.el file is 45,129 bytes.

-- 
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Erik Naggum wrote:
> 
> I used Emacs on TOPS-20 for several years.

Me too, Mr. Twinkletits sir.  

And Perq, and Symbolics, and Explorer, and DOS, and Amiga.  I've
forgotten more about Emacs on non-Unix platforms than you'll ever know.

> but to say that Emacs is limited to Unix systems displays a monumental
> ignorance both of its past and its present, not to mention its future.

It certainly would.

> but I'm _greatly_ comforted to know that Jamie is so ignorant

Spanky, if you would read the words I wrote, instead of the words that
you'd like to put in my mouth, you'd realize that I said nothing of the
kind.

By the way, you still remind me of Hitler.

-- 
Jamie Zawinski    jwz@netscape.com   http://www.netscape.com/people/jwz/

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* Jamie Zawinski
| Me too, Mr. Twinkletits sir.  

again, I really hope you're enjoying yourself, but I guess these pathetic
attempts at flames is an acceptable price to pay as long as I can keep you
from doing more harm elsewhere.

#\Erik
-- 
Please address private replies, only, to "erik".  Junk mail, spam,
stupid flames, courtesy copies, etc, should be sent to "nobody".

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Will you people please grow up? Why this exhibitionism? Everyone in this
news group has to take the time to delete your juvenile rantings. Do you
think it is so profound and literate that anyone outside your fevered circle
cares a whit?

Tom Steger
steger@tautron.com

----------------------------

> From cs.uiuc.edu!xemacs-request@bort.mv.net Wed Nov 20 19:40:29 1996
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 18:38:35 -0500
> From: Peter Pezaris <mv!pez@dwwc.com>
> To: Jamie Zawinski <mv!jwz@netscape.com>
> Cc: mv!xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
> Subject: Re: Emacs inferior to XEmacs?
> 
> 
>     Jamie> Allow me to turn on my Nag 'Em Filter (tm) and
>     Jamie> reply in the style to which you seem to have
>     Jamie> become accustomed:
> 
>     Jamie>     WHERE did I say that?  WHY must you
>     Jamie> continue to put LIES in my mouth??  That's
>     Jamie> exactly the sort of thing I've come to expect
>     Jamie> from your side.  Your response is so remarkably
>     Jamie> stupid, it can only have been meant to pander
>     Jamie> to the ignorant fools who have already come
>     Jamie> under your sway.  Haven't you read anything
>     Jamie> I've said?  Don't you believe in TRUTH?  I
>     Jamie> guess not.  That utterly pathetic response is
>     Jamie> so typical, it's clear that you're not
>     Jamie> interested in having an actual discussion.
> 
>     Jamie>     Why can't you be a little more polite?
>     Jamie> I've been flawlessly calm, as in this message,
>     Jamie> and all you people do is call me names. Why
>     Jamie> must you make it personal?  Do you have
>     Jamie> something to hide?
> 
>     Jamie>     You and your revisionist history remind me
>     Jamie> of Hitler.
> 
> Pretty good, but you _forgot_ to *emphasize* words that
> __really__ need to be STRESSED using -every- <B>possible</B>
> *METHOD*.  Don't you *know* that arguments are MUCH
> more _meaningful_ when thoroughly ***over-punctuated***?
> 
> <FONT SIZE=7 COLOR="#ff0000"><B><BLINK>Pez</BLINK></B></FONT>

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Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Levent" == Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com> writes:
> 
> Levent> I have a rather long sound file to notify me of incoming email
> Levent> in VM, which locks up XEmacs while it is playing.  How can I
> Levent> put this thing in the background?
> 
> You're not (easily).  An alternative would be to spawn a subprocess
> which plays the sounds, but then you're not using the built-in sound
> capabilities.
> 
> This is just one of the things that could be made nicer if we had
> threaded execution.

If you have NAS running, XEmacs will play sounds asynchronously, just
as you want them too.  XEmacs comes with NAS support, but you'll also
need the full NAS package (see any X11 site) to get it to work.
Otherwise, you'll be using native sound which does lock up XEmacs
during play.

Ray

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Subject: Re: My .emacs is bigger than yours (was Re: .emacs configs)
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Steve, 
	Why dont you post your .custom.el .emacs .gnus-custom
.gnus5.2.el in this group. They will be helpful.

Thanks
- Sobhan

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 
> >>>>> "Des" == Des Herriott <des@corp.netcom.net.uk> writes:
> 
> Des> In article <bci4tilrdy3.fsf@corp.sun.com>,
> Des> 	Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
> 
> Gary> Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
> Gary> 
> Gary> Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
> 
> (At least it's better than a stupid flame war).
> 
> Des> Seems to be.
> 
> Des> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
> Des> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
> 
> $ ll .custom.el .emacs .gnus-custom .gnus5.2.el
> -rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel        2138 Jan 26  1996 .custom.el
> -rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       39232 Nov 19 21:22 .emacs
> -rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel        3939 Oct 27 17:43 .gnus-custom
> -rw-r--r--   1 steve    devel       15073 Nov 18 11:21 .gnus5.2.el
> 
> Portable to Emacs 19.34, XEmacs 19.14, 19.15 and 20.0, Gnus 5.2 & 5.3,
> and Red Gnus.  :-)
> 
> Next?
> -- 
> steve@miranova.com baur
> Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
> "Bill Clinton is a bore.  He doesn't have a creative bone in his
> body."  -- David Brinkley

-- 
Sobhan K Padamati				Email:	sobhan@fore.com
Software Development Engineer			Direct:	412-635-3671
FORE Systems					Main:	412-772-6600
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I cannot compile xemacs on my sparc/linux.  I posted this problem
earlier and received some good suggestions, but they did not work.
The error is misunderstood library references (given below).  The
Xaw and Xaw3d libraries do not seem to work - I pulled off the most
recent RPMS and loaded them onto the Sparc.  You can see the error
below, but it amounts to not being able to find the right Xaw
library.  Anybody who has compiled on Sparc/Linux: do you have any
ideas?  Same problem?  It happens with Xaw and Xaw3d!

Scott
======================error=======================================


gcc -nostdlib    `./prefix-args -Xlinker  
-L/usr/X11R6/lib               -L. -L../lwlib       `  -o temacs
pre-crt0.o /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o  abbrev.o alloc.o blocktype.o
buffer.o bytecode.o     callint.o callproc.o casefiddle.o casetab.o
cmdloop.o        cmds.o console.o console-stream.o       data.o
database.o    device.o dialog.o  dired.o doc.o   doprnt.o dynarr.o   
editfns.o elhash.o emacs.o     eval.o events.o  event-stream.o
event-unixoid.o  extents.o       faces.o fileio.o filelock.o filemode.o
floatfns.o fns.o font-lock.o  frame.o         general.o getloadavg.o
dgif_lib.o gif_err.o gifalloc.o  glyphs.o gui.o       hash.o  indent.o
inline.o insdel.o intl.o       keymap.o        lread.o lstream.o      
macros.o marker.o md5.o menubar.o  minibuf.o                 objects.o
opaque.o      print.o process.o profile.o pure.o      rangetab.o
realpath.o  redisplay.o redisplay-output.o regex.o        scrollbar.o 
search.o signal.o sound.o   specifier.o    strftime.o   symbols.o
syntax.o sysdep.o     toolbar.o    console-tty.o device-tty.o
event-tty.o frame-tty.o objects-tty.o redisplay-tty.o cm.o  undo.o
unexelf.o         console-x.o device-x.o dialog-x.o  event-Xt.o
frame-x.o glyphs-x.o gui-x.o  menubar-x.o  objects-x.o redisplay-x.o
scrollbar-x.o  toolbar-x.o  xgccache.o xselect.o  xmu.o   window.o
terminfo.o   lastfile.o gmalloc.o vm-limit.o ralloc.o  EmacsFrame.o
EmacsShell.o TopLevelEmacsShell.o TransientEmacsShell.o
EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw3d -lXpm -lcompface -ljpeg -lpng -lz    
-lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11                   -lncurses          
-lgdbm  -ldb      -lm  -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o        
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuCompareISOLatin1'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_TEXT'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_TARGETS'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToBitmap'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToBackingStore'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuInternAtom'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`_XA_CHARACTER_POSITION'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_COMPOUND_TEXT'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`_XEditResCheckMessages'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCreateStippledPixmap'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuReshapeWidget'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToColorCursor'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_SPAN'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToOrientation'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToJustify'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_NULL'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuRegisterExternalAgent'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_LENGTH'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuDistinguishablePixels'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuAddInitializer'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToCursor'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToShapeStyle'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuCallInitializers'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuCvtStringToGravity'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_DELETE'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuReleaseStippledPixmap'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_LIST_LENGTH'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuConvertStandardSelection'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
`XmuNewCvtStringToWidget'
/usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuLocatePixmapFile'
make[1]: *** [temacs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/xemacs-19.14/src'
make: *** [src] Error 2

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Kevin Penrose writes:

 > Is there some repository of all of the various settings
 > that one can incorporate into a .emacs file (or .vm or .gnus)?
 > 
 > I am constantly seeing some trick or setting that I end up
 > incorporating into my setup, but I feel like I might be
 > missing out on some great settings.
 > 
 > Anyone out there who knows of such a beast, or perhaps
 > you have a killer .emacs that you would want to share?

Since some other people also seem to be interested ...

Some time ago, I made a few WWW-pages on the customization of
XEmacs. For those interested, please take a look at:
   http://petaxp.rug.ac.be/~erik/xemacs/
If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know.

Erik

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Erik Naggum writes:
 |* Jamie Zawinski
 || Ha ha ha ha ha.
 |
 |geez.  I'm glad you're enjoying yourself.  I'm also _delighted_ that you
 |are not involved in XEmacs, anymore.  if only you would follow your own
 |advice and make a clean cut and get out of here permanently.  why the hell
 |do you insist on being a pest around people who're working on a cheesy
 |little Unix editor when you could have had all the bliss in the world
 |working on a crummy little web browser?
 |

You know I always tell my kids: "The only difference between school
and work is that at work, you don't have teachers to break up the
fights".

--Brian M.

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What?... Is this a T-shirt contest?... The one with the
largest startup file wins?

1) My .emacs is only 58 lines ( 12 lines of lisp code, 46 of comment
   lines)............. I would win for the shortest .emacs file!.
   - Adds ~/lib/lisp to the load-path
   - Using emacs-vers.el calls a spacific startup file:
     - xemacs-init.el for XEmacs 19.14
     - lemacs-init.el for Lucid 19.6
     - fsf-init.el for the GNUish people.

2) My .emacs is READ-ONLY and calls a bunch of other startup files,
   which are byte-compiled. (That speeds up your startup).
   You may pick the sources  if you want, they are
   located on a tar-compressed file of 108 Kb. on:

       http://w3.ornet.co.il/~ricky/lisp.tar.Z 

   By now, I should win for the largest-redundant-and-unpractical-startup-files too.

--- Ricky ;)


>>>>> Sean V Kelley writes:

 Sean: Ar 19 Nov 1996 13:07:48 -0800, ysgrifennodd Gary D. Foster <Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com>:
 Sean: |Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
 Sean: |
 Sean: |> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
 Sean: |> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
 Sean: |> 
 Sean: |> P.S.
 Sean: |> 
 Sean: |> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
 Sean: |> grow.
 Sean: |
 Sean: |Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
 Sean: |

 Sean: Heh that's nothing, my dfxemacs.el file is 45,129 bytes.

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To: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In-reply-to: Your message of "20 Nov 1996 16:39:25 MST."
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    Vladimir> Is it technically feasible to keep two versions of the
    Vladimir> display engine (one general and the other tty-optimised)
    Vladimir> and use the one that's appropriate for the current
    Vladimir> frame?

The redisplay engine is divided into three parts.  The largest by far
is the part that figures out what the display should currently look
like and creates data structures representing that display.  The
second part compares the structures representing what is currently
displayed with the new structures representing what should be
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identical.  The third part is the actual output routines.  There are
separate routines for each type of output system XEmacs currently
supports.  Currently that means X and tty's.  With very few exceptions
the first and second parts of the display engine have no idea what
type of device they are working with.  To port the XEmacs display
engine to something new such as, say, Windows 95, a new file
redisplay-win95.c would need to be created.  Almost nothing else would
need to be done.

Current sizes of those three parts:

first	243458	redisplay.c
second	 39003	redisplay-output.c
third	 42711	redisplay-tty.c
	 67265	redisplay-x.c


Getting back to your question.  The only part that really requires any
work to massively speed up the tty output performance is the middle
part, redisplay-output.c.  A few new routines would need to be added
to redisplay-tty.c but those are pretty straight forward.
redisplay-output is currently optimized to figure out what part of a
given line has changed and to only output that part of the line.  For
X displays this works just fine and in fact in a variable height line
it gets really messy to do anymore.  tty's are not variable height,
however, and there display routines are designed around the assumption
that large blocks of unchanged text are not redrawn but scrolled to
their new position.  You should be able to see the problem now.
Efficient tty updating needs to work on multiple line blocks but
redisplay-output only looks at single lines.

The fix is to calculate a hash value for each line in both the current
and desired display structures, use that info to find blocks of lines
which have just been shifted up or down and not actually changed
otherwise and then use tty scrolling routines to move them rather than
redrawing them.  This optimization should probably actually be
triggered when the number of lines in the current and desired displays
are equal rather than based on whether the output display is a tty or
not.   Though some mechanism then needs to be present to disallow it
since block scrolling on some X devices is actually slower than just
redrawing everything.

There you have it.  Go for it.  I really, really wish I had time to
implement it, but I don't.


			-Chuck

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Hrvoje Niksic wrote:
> Tell us if you find one -- we'll be grateful.  Until then, I'll keep
> picking from other .emacs-es. :-)
> 
> P.S.
> 
> My "beast" of .emacs is currently 11,361 bytes long, and tends to
> grow.
Besides a wonderful thread about 'Mine is bigger than yours' maybe there
are also some helpful hints that can be collected about things like
'loading time of .emacs', 'good places were to put things', etc.
Especially the first might be really helpful!

The only thing I came up with is the following (because I was to lazy to
check, wether byte-compile also works for the .emacs file):

.emacs:
;;;; speed up loading of emacs by using emacs.elc
(load "~/lemacs/emacs" nil t)

emacs.el:
all the things you want to do...

Anything else that might be helpful? How about loading things in .emacs
on demand (via startup-parm)? Can this be done?

Thomas
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To: Scott Smyth <smyth@phish.eas.gatech.edu>
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Scott Smyth wrote:

> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuCompareISOLatin1'
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_TEXT'
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `_XA_TARGETS'
> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to
> `XmuCvtStringToBitmap'

You are lacking the Xmu library.  I had this same problem.
Although, I don't remember having problems with _XA_TEXT ...

Essentially, I cheated and went in and manually added in -lXmu to
all references to the various libraries.  (LIBX= ... -lXmu) and to
the XMU_LIB references (XMULIB = -lXmu)

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Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> writes:
> ;; Vi-style parentheses matching
> (defun match-paren (arg)
>   "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis otherwise insert %."
>   (interactive "p")
>   (cond ((looking-at "\\s\(") (forward-list 1) (backward-char 1))
>         ((looking-at "\\s\)") (forward-char 1) (backward-list 1))
>         (t (self-insert-command (or arg 1)))))

Wow, that is a smart idea. Only, I would like to modify the behavior
just a little bit. This might no longer be VI compatible, but I don't
use that editor anyways, so I wouldn't know :-)

 - as I use expression-highlighting, I would prefer to jump between
   the beginning and end of the highlighted region. This means that I
   look at the closing parenthesis _before_ my current point. Note,
   that this is ambiguous when a closing parenthesis is directly
   followed by an opening one, but it still reflects the behavior of
   expression highlighting.

 - I want to set a mark at the position were I was before I jumped and
   I want to activate the zmacs region. Also, multiple consecutive
   calls to this function should not result in identical marks filling
   up the mark-ring.

 - I want all error messages silently surpressed, if parenthesis are
   not matched.

(defun match-paren (arg)
  "Go to the matching parenthesis if on parenthesis otherwise insert %;
   if moving the point, set mark at old position and activate zmacs region."
  (interactive "p")
  (save-match-data
    (condition-case nil
	(let ((beg (point)))
	  (cond ((save-excursion (backward-char 1) (looking-at "\\s\)"))
		 (backward-list 1))
		((looking-at "\\s\(")
		 (forward-list 1))
		(error "")) ; error handler will insert character
	  (if (eq (point) (mark t)) (pop-mark))
	  (push-mark beg nil t))
      (error (self-insert-command (or arg 1))))))

I am still very new to writing e-lisp code, so please point out all
problems that you see with this code.


Markus
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Subject: Re: Display speed on ttys (was Re: Bench Marking XEmacs) 
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> first	243458 redisplay.c        data structures representing the display
> second 39003 redisplay-output.c compares structures; calls output routines
> third	 42711 redisplay-tty.c    actual output routines
> 	 67265 redisplay-x.c

> To massively speed up the tty output performance, [change]
> redisplay-output.c. [It] is currently optimized to figure out what part
> of a given line has changed and to only output that part of the line.
> Efficient tty updating needs to work on multiple line blocks but
> redisplay-output only looks at single lines.

Doesn't Emacs also do some optimizations at the single-character level (as
opposed to the whole-lines level)? Can the tty optimizations from Emacs be
reused in XEmacs, or is THIS unfeasible?

> There you have it.
A good description, Chuck.

> Go for it. I really, really wish I had time to implement it, but I don't.
Me neither. I'm already too far behind with my thesis as it is :-(.
Any takers?

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If you have to brag about it... :-)

Randy
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rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes:

> 
> If you have to brag about it... :-)
> 
> Randy

Uhm... I can just see the comments starting now, so I want to get my
shot in early...

"It's not the size of my .emacs, it's how I use it"

-- Gary F.

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Mark Hood wrote:
> 
> Jamie's comment reminded me of a similar comment somebody made early in this
> thread, about how funny it was that there was such passionate debate over
> Emacs when the stakes were so small.  It vividly illustrates the cultural
> rift between those for whom the ability to make money and entertain
> consumers are the most important features of a program, and those who
> program more for the sake of the advancement of the art and the empowerment
> of users.

"The advancement of the art" and "the empowerment of users" are two very
different things.  And by virtue of having such a small group to whom it
can possibly hold attraction, Emacs just doesn't empower all that many
users.  

There are a lot of people who are in this business for the money, but
I'm not one of them.

I would say, however, that the ability to entertain people is far more
important than more abstract, essoteric topics.  

I did AI for years, and the rubber never hit the road: one can sit
around pontificating forever, but what's the point if you don't actually
produce something of real-world utility?  I measure real-world utility
by how many people get *value* from it, in terms of time savings, or
entertainment, or whatever it is that they find important.

There are some people who are in this business because they enjoy
hacking for hacking's sake.  Those are the sort of people who will spend
ages hacking on a program that nobody else ever sees, something that
they don't ever give away: polishing jewels in the dark.  I'm not one of
them.  The thing that I enjoy most is writing code that's actually
useful to other people.  I'm not into theory, I'm in to doing things
that actually cause computers to *help*, or to *entertain*.

So as a result of this, I find it fundamentally more interesting to work
on projects that have a wide range of people who get utility from them.

Sitting around in a small group arguing about intellectual purity might
be interesting in small doses, but as far as I'm concerned, it misses
the primary point entirely, which is putting cool stuff in front of lots
of people's faces.

This has nothing to do with money, except in that the properties that
make software interesting to large groups of people also tend to make
that software financially viable.  I guess that's why people often
misinterpret the two goals.

(There are also people who are so insecure that they have contempt for
people who are not hackers, and don't even want to think about making
software that's useful for them, because that would let outsiders into
their community.  These are usually people who don't think that easy-
to-use user interfaces are worth the effort.  These people are
interested in large user bases, but only so long as those users are 
just like them.  I find those people kind of sad.)

-- 
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I'm trying to change the background color of Gnus and VM to be different
from the background I actually use in the editor. Can I do this at all? Can
I do this in .Xdefaults? 
-- 
rick  

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott  <cotton@blue.seas.upenn.edu> writes:

Scott> For the longest time, I used xemacs in this environment without
Scott> problem.  suddenly, without my performing any system changes or
Scott> changes to xemacs configuration, every time xemacs does file IO
Scott> it returns the following error and crasshes:

Scott> Fatal error: assertion failed, file signal.c, line 327,
Scott> async_timer_suppress_count > 0

Scott> Fatal error (6).
Scott> Your files have been auto-saved.
Scott> IOT trap

2 questions:
1.  What libc are you using?
2.  Did you strip XEmacs?

I first reported a problem like this on March 30.  I don't think I
ever got a workaround other than having the problem just go away after
further system upgrades.  (XEmacs 19.14/libc-5.[34] is definitely
stable with respect to this problem).

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From: Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>
Date: 30 Mar 1996 18:56:46 -0800
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(Ben Wing is Cc'ed since XEmacs is now experiencing major breakage
with new Linux kernels).

>>>>> "Linus" == Linus Torvalds <torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi> writes:
 ...
Linus>  - named pipes now work the way God intended them to work, the SunOS 
Linus>    compat code is disabled by default.
 ...
Linus> Look it over, will you?

Linus> 		Linus

 [Linux 1.3.81 oops deleted.  -sb/Nov-21-96]

I'm triggering some other kind of bogosity now with XEmacs in that I
can no longer run Gnus in it if I start XEmacs out of an olvwm menu --
it eventually dies with:
Fatal error: assertion failed, file signal.c, line 327, async_timer_suppress_count > 0

Fatal error (6).
Your files have been auto-saved.
and a stack backtrace of:
(gdb) where
#0  0x4017b875 in __kill ()
#1  0x8086b90 in fatal_error_signal (sig=6) at emacs.c:170
#2  0xbffda3ec in __ypbindlist ()
#3  0x401a6eb9 in gsignal ()
#4  0x80d3e4b in alarm (howlong=1) at signal.c:327
#5  0x401bfd9b in sleep ()
(gdb) 

It doesn't seem right to me that XEmacs should redefine alarm, but not
redefine sleep, which calls alarm (in libc 5.2.18 at least).  Whatever
XEmacs is doing though causes XF86_SVGA (3.1.2) to crash in Linux
1.3.77 and 1.3.80;  it does not crash the X server in 1.2.13 or 1.3.81.

I can however, type the XEmacs command on a command line in an xterm
and have it work normally.  Perhaps this is related to the row/columns
stty initialization bug, which is hitting me in spades too.

Regards,
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From: Robert van der Kamp <robnet@pi.net>
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Subject: Slow Xemacs 19.14!
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Hi,

I use both Xemacs versions 19.14, and 19.10 (Lemacs).
I also used Xemacs 19.13. My problem is speed:


Xemacs 19.14 is about twice as slow as 19.10. When
comparing the two, it's almost tragic. Lemacs 19.10
is much, much faster. 

I created a test defun, one that scans a large file with
re-search-backward a 1000 times. Lemacs did it in 25 secs,
Xemacs 19.14 in 44 secs. :-(( During the 1000 scans, Xemacs
did a couple of GC's, so it looked and stopped my message
at each loop for a short while.

Is there any way to increase the speed?

Thanks,

Robert.

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Subject: Re: How to modify menus on all frames?
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>>>>> "lna" == Levent N Atasoy <Levent.Atasoy@macsch.com> writes:

lna> Priorty 19.14, I used to modify menus by simply including
lna> 	(load "lna-menus" )
lna> in my .emacs, which affected all frames subsequently created.

lna> This did not work in 19.14.  It seems like I have to do
lna> 	(add-hook 'fortran-mode-hook '(load "lna-menus" ))

lna> Is there a better way of initializing this than doing it for each
lna> frame?

This probably ought to be a FAQ entry.

Try this:

(let ((current-menubar (default-value 'current-menubar)))
  (load "lna-menus"))

Martin

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott  <cotton@blue.seas.upenn.edu> writes:

Scott> For the longest time, I used xemacs in this environment without
Scott> problem.  suddenly, without my performing any system changes or
Scott> changes to xemacs configuration, every time xemacs does file IO
Scott> it returns the following error and crasshes:

Scott> Fatal error: assertion failed, file signal.c, line 327,
Scott> async_timer_suppress_count > 0

Scott> Fatal error (6).
Scott> Your files have been auto-saved.
Scott> IOT trap

Scott> I don't even know where to begin on this one.  so any help anyone can
Scott> provide would be greatly appreciated.  It took forever to build this
Scott> thing, and I don't really want to do that again.

The obvious place to start is to upgrade to 19.14.

The symptom you report has also been reported in 19.14, although it
*may* be fixed in 19.15.  The XEmacs maintainers cannot reproduce this.

Martin












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>>>>> "Ricardo" == Ricardo Marek <ricky@ornet.co.il> writes:

Ricardo> The programmers here in Ornet use different editors for
Ricardo> editing their code. Now, it is under my responsibility to
Ricardo> provide them with templates for 'C' files.

Ricardo> The templates contain some 'constant' data, fields that the
Ricardo> user is prompted to fill (input fields), and other fields
Ricardo> that are automatically filled. (.e.g: Date, User-Login-Name,
Ricardo> Filename, etc).

Ricardo> I'm sure that there are already packages that may help you to
Ricardo> create and use templates, that with some simple lisp function
Ricardo> you can insert the initial file, and even more, when you want
Ricardo> to write a function, by pressing a special key, you get a
Ricardo> template with the header comment and the empty function body.

Ricardo> Any hints?

;;; autoinsert.el --- automatic mode-dependent insertion of text into new files

I'd also recommend taking a look at the new buffer code in psgml which
does just about what you suggest.
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I copied some files from another (type of) computer and it did not retain
the original time stamp. I need them for an archive and had to put the
original stamp back on using the Unix command 'touch'. Isn't there a way to
do this with dired? I looked hard and couldn't find.
-- 
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From: Brady Montz <bradym@cs.arizona.edu>
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Sorry if this is in the faq. I looked and couldn't find anything.

Basically, if I've run gnuattach and at some point type a C-g while nothing is
running, gnuattach exits. However, xemacs still thinks it has a frame on that
tty and so I've now got xemacs and my shell writing to the same tty and it's a
total mess. 

Running trace on gnuattach gives me the impression that it just sends
server-tty-edit-files to xemacs, and the C-g is probably killing that
function, causing gnuattach to exit. Looking at the source for gnuserv though,
I don't particularly understand it, and I certainly don't know how to fix it.

Any help?

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Does anybody know what causes this sort of problem in the dbx window?
The same thing happens if you do 'man' from within a shell or use
'more'. This is driving me crazy. Also, any suggestions for .emacs or
.dbxrc for using dbx within XEmacs?

--More--
# If you routinely use both newer and older releases of dbx, you might
--More--
# wish to retain your .dbxinit file and add uses of new functionality to
--More--
# a .dbxrc file which `sources' your .dbxinit.  There is an example of
--More--
# how to do this at the end of this help topic.
--More--


TIA

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I have recently switched to Xemacs from emacs, and I am having a bit
of a misunderstanding about how to get vm to start up properly.  

I had some things in the .emacs that did not work right, so I now have
a .xemacs, which calls my xstartup.el.  This starts up with a -l just
fine.  

I start xemacs like this:

xemacs -q -fg white -bg black  &

and when it comes up, I do a M-x vm RET and all goes well starting up
VM, and from there all is well.  However, there is some functionality
in the .xemacs/xstartup.el file that I would like to have in vm.  I
have commented out everything in .xemacs/xstartup.el, so that 

xemacs -q -fg white -bg black -l .xemacs &

should have the same effect as starting it up with a -q.

However, and this is the problem that I have been having no matter
what I do with the .xemacs file, I get a message "

Required feature vm-startup was not provided.

"

in the minibuffer.

I am wondering how to get vm to startup with the .xemacs being loaded
at startup.  Even though this .xemacs is empty, it still does not
work, failing with the aforementioned message.  


I just tried something new.  I loaded up xemacs with the -q, so that
no files were loaded at startup.  M-x vm RET to get vm working
properly. then I did a M-x load-file ~/lib/emacs/xstartup.el.backup,
and all went well.  I do not understand, but at least I have a
workaround.

tia,
Rob


If this is too rambling to be clear, I will straighten it out.


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>>>>> "Sobhan" == Sobhan K Padamati <sobhan@fore.com> writes:

Sobhan> Steve, 

Sobhan> Why dont you post your .custom.el .emacs .gnus-custom
Sobhan> .gnus5.2.el in this group. They will be helpful.

I'll pass on posting my entire .emacs.  For the most part, the
interesting portions of it have been posted to this newsgroup before.

This is how I initialize Gnus.

0.  Gnus setup in .emacs.
(setq slb-gnus-lockfile "~/.gnus-lockfile")
(when (not (file-exists-p slb-gnus-lockfile))
  (setq custom-file "~/.gnus-custom")

  (add-hook 'gnus-startup-hook
	    (lambda ()
	      (condition-case nil
		  (make-directory slb-gnus-lockfile)
		(t nil))))
  (add-hook 'gnus-after-exiting-gnus-hook
	    (lambda ()
	      (condition-case nil
		  (delete-directory slb-gnus-lockfile)
		(t nil))))
  (if running-xemacs
      (progn
	(setq gnus-bbdb-lisp-directory "/usr/lib/xemacs/bbdb-1.51/")
	(setq gnus-use-bbdb t)
	;; (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/gnus/")
	(if (>= emacs-major-version 20)
	    (progn
	      (setq gnus-experimental t)
	      (setq steve-gnus-path "/i/xemacs-20.0-b28/lisp/gnus/"))
	  (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/lib/xemacs/gnus-5.2.40/lisp/"))
	;; (setq gnus-play-startup-jingle t)
	(add-hook 'gnus-startup-hook 'gnus-xmas-define)
	(setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/lib/xemacs/rgnus-0.68/lisp/")
	;; (setq gnus-experimental t)
	;; (setq nntp-server-list-active-group nil)
	;; (when (and (>= emacs-major-version 19)
		   ;; (>= emacs-minor-version 15))
		   ;; (setq steve-gnus-path "/i/xemacs-19.15-b1/lisp/gnus/"))
	)
    ;; (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/local/share/emacs/19.32/lisp/")
    ;; (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/gnus-5.2/lisp/")
    (setq steve-gnus-path "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/rgnus/lisp/")
    (setq gnus-use-bbdb t)
    (setq gnus-bbdb-lisp-directory
	  "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/bbdb-1.51/")
    ;; (setq gnus-experimental t)
    )

    (setq gnus-init-file "~/.gnus5.2")
    (if running-xemacs
	(progn
	  (setq gnus-gnus-lisp-directory steve-gnus-path)
	  (if (>= emacs-major-version 20)
	      (progn
		;; (setq gnus-experimental t)
		(setq code-converter-is-broken nil)
		(setq gnus-tm-lisp-directory
		      "/usr/local/lib/xmule/site-lisp/"))))
      (setq gnus-gnus-lisp-directory steve-gnus-path))
  (setq gnus-use-tm t)
  (setq gnus-use-mailcrypt t)

  (setq mime-setup-use-signature nil)
  (setq sc-confirm-always-p nil)

  ;; (setq mail-use-rfc822 t)

  ;; (load "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/sgnus-0.96/lisp/gnus-setup.el")
  (load (concat steve-gnus-path "gnus-setup.el"))
  ;; Rmail stuffs
  (setq mail-archive-file-name "~/spool/sent.spool")

  (if gnus-use-tm
      (progn
	(setq mime-editor/message-default-max-length 10000)
	(setq mime-editor/message-max-length-alist
	      '((news-reply-mode . 10000)))
	(require 'tl-misc)
	(call-after-loaded 'tm-view
			   #'(lambda () (require 'tm-pgp))))))

;;; Avoid an XEmacs bug, do not invert colors when fetching a password
(setq passwd-invert-frame-when-keyboard-grabbed nil)


1.  .custom.el is customization of Gnus 5.2.
;; ~/.custom.el --- Automatically generated customization information.
;; 
;; Feel free to edit by hand, but the entire content should consist of
;; a single setq.  Any other lisp expressions will confuse the
;; automatic configuration engine.

(setq custom-dummy 'custom-dummy
      gnus-summary-highlight (list
 (cons
  '(= mark gnus-canceled-mark)
  (custom-face-lookup "yellow" "black" "default" nil nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (> score default)
    (or
     (= mark gnus-dormant-mark)
     (= mark gnus-ticked-mark)))
  (custom-face-lookup "firebrick" "default" "default" t nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (< score default)
    (or
     (= mark gnus-dormant-mark)
     (= mark gnus-ticked-mark)))
  (custom-face-lookup "firebrick" "default" "default" nil t nil))
 (cons
  '(or
    (= mark gnus-dormant-mark)
    (= mark gnus-ticked-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "firebrick" "default" "default" nil nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (> score default)
    (= mark gnus-ancient-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "RoyalBlue" "default" "default" t nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (< score default)
    (= mark gnus-ancient-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "RoyalBlue" "default" "default" nil t nil))
 (cons
  '(= mark gnus-ancient-mark)
  (custom-face-lookup "RoyalBlue" "default" "default" nil nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (> score default)
    (/= mark gnus-unread-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "DarkGreen" "default" "default" t nil nil))
 (cons
  '(and
    (< score default)
    (/= mark gnus-unread-mark))
  (custom-face-lookup "DarkGreen" "default" "default" nil t nil))
 (cons
  '(= mark gnus-expirable-mark)
  (custom-face-lookup "DarkOrange2" "default" "default" nil t nil))
 (cons
  '(/= mark gnus-unread-mark)
  (custom-face-lookup "DarkGreen" "default" "default" nil nil nil))
 '((> score default)
   . bold)
 '((< score default)
   . italic))

      gnus-article-display-hook (list
 'gnus-article-treat-overstrike
 'gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted
 'gnus-article-hide-signature
 'gnus-article-highlight
 'gnus-article-date-local
 'gnus-article-hide-pgp
 'gnus-article-add-buttons-to-head)

      gnus-button-url 'w3-fetch
      gnus-visual t)

2. .gnus-custom is for customization of Red Gnus, AKA Gnus 5.4.  Due
   to line length, this must be encoded.

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3. .gnus5.2.el is for setting up Gnus 5.2 through Red Gnus.  Certain
   portions of this have been censored.

;;; April '96 Gnus 5.2 Initialization.

;; Custom has gone away, load in the .custom file by hand if necessary
;(when (and (fboundp 'defcustom)
;	   (file-exists-p "~/.custom.el"))
;  (load "~/.custom.el" nil t))

(when (and (fboundp 'defcustom)
	   (file-exists-p (expand-file-name custom-file)))
  (defface gnus-summary-expirable-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Orange"))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "DarkOrange2"))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for expirable articles.")

  (defface gnus-summary-high-dormant-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Brown" :bold t))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "Brown" :bold t))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for high interest ticked articles.")

  (defface gnus-summary-low-dormant-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Brown"))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "Brown"))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for low interest ticked articles.")

  (defface gnus-group-news-4-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "DarkTurquoise" :bold t))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "DarkGreen" :bold t))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for Newsgroups, level 4.")

  (defface gnus-group-news-4-empty-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "DarkTurquoise"))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "DarkGreen"))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for empty Newsgroups, level 4.")

  (defface gnus-group-news-5-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Red" :bold t))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "Red" :bold t))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for Newsgroups, level 5.")

  (defface gnus-group-news-5-empty-face
    '((((class color)
	(background dark))
       (:foreground "Red"))
      (((class color)
	(background light))
       (:foreground "Red"))
      (t 
       ()))
  "Face used for empty Newsgroups, level 5.")

  (load custom-file))

(setq browse-url-browser-function (function browse-url-lynx-xterm))

;; Use smtpmail and not local mail
;(autoload 'smtpmail-send-it "smtpmail")
;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
;(setq smtpmail-smtp-server "riker.miranova.com")
;(setq smtpmail-local-domain nil)

(setq gnus-message-archive-method
  `(nnfolder
    "archive"
    (nnfolder-directory ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive"))
    (nnfolder-active-file 
     ,(nnheader-concat message-directory "archive/active"))
    (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)
    (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)))

(setq gnus-message-archive-group
  '((if (message-news-p) "misc-news" "misc-mail")))

(unless (boundp 'gnus-visible-headers)
  (require 'article))
(cond ((stringp gnus-visible-headers)
       (setq gnus-visible-headers
	     (concat gnus-visible-headers
		     "\\|^X-Diagnostic:\\|^X-Newsreader:\\|^X-Mailer:")))
      ((listp gnus-visible-headers)
       (setq gnus-visible-headers
	     (append gnus-visible-headers
		     '("^X-Diagnostic" "^X-Newsreader" "^X-Mailer")))))

(if (string-match "XEmacs\\|Lucid" emacs-version)
    (progn
      (when (and (boundp 'gnus-use-bbdb)
		 gnus-use-bbdb)
	(require 'gnus-bbdb)
	(gnus-bbdb-insinuate-summary-buffer))
      (setq gnus-auto-center-summary nil)
      (setq gnus-xmas-glyph-directory "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/etc-0.24/gnus/")
      (setq message-xmas-glyph-directory "/usr/local/lib/xemacs/etc-0.24/message/")
      (require 'smiley)
      ;(setq smiley-regexp-alist smiley-nosey-regexp-alist)
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-smiley-display t)
      (copy-face 'default 'gnus-x-face)
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-x-face t)
      (setq message-xmas-dont-activate-region t)
      (setq gnus-use-picons nil)))

;(setq gnus-use-nocem t)
;(setq gnus-nocem-issuers '("Automoose-1" "clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca;" "jem@xpat.com;" "red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew)" "rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us"))

(setq gnus-read-active-file 'some)
;(setq gnus-article-display-hook '(gnus-article-treat-overstrike
;	gnus-article-hide-signature
;;;;	gnus-article-display-x-face
;	gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted
;	gnus-article-date-local
;	gnus-article-hide-pgp
;	gnus-article-highlight))
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-highlight)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-pgp)
(when running-xemacs
  (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-pem))
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-date-local)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-headers-if-wanted)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-hide-signature)
(add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-treat-overstrike)

(when (fboundp 'defcustom)
  (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-emphasize))

(if (and (boundp 'gnus-use-picons)
	 gnus-use-picons)
    (progn
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-article-display-picons t)
      (add-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-hook 'gnus-group-display-picons t)
      (add-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook 'gnus-picons-article-display-x-face)
      (setq gnus-picons-database "/a/u/Linux/faces")))

(add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode)
(setq gnus-topic-unique nil)

(setq gnus-startup-file "~/.dgnusrc")
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.callamer.com"))
(setq gnus-use-adaptive-scoring t)
(setq gnus-uu-post-include-before-composing t)
(setq gnus-nov-is-evil nil)
(setq nntp-nov-is-evil t)

(when (not (fboundp 'defcustom))
  (setq gnus-cite-face-list 'dark)
  (setq gnus-face-dark-name-list
        '("dark blue" "firebrick"
	  "dark green" "OrangeRed" "DarkOliveGreen4" "dark violet"
	  "SteelBlue4" "DeepPink3" "CornflowerBlue" "SeaGreen" "dark magenta")))

(setq gnus-check-new-newsgroups 'ask-server)

(setq gnus-save-killed-list nil)
;;; (setq gnus-button-url 'w3-fetch)

;;; Basic stuffs
(setq gnus-local-domain "miranova.com")
(setq gnus-local-organization "Miranova Systems, Inc.")
(setq message-user-organization gnus-local-organization)

(setq gnus-use-long-file-name t)
(setq nnmail-use-long-file-names t)
(setq gnus-save-all-headers t)

(setq gnus-auto-select-first nil)
(setq gnus-single-article-buffer nil)
(setq gnus-default-article-saver 'gnus-summary-save-in-mail)
(setq gnus-article-save-directory "~/spool/")

(setq message-included-forward-headers "")
(setq message-generate-headers-first t)
(setq nnml-directory "~/Mail/")

;; (setq sendmail-program "/usr/sbin/sendmail")

(setq nnfolder-get-new-mail nil)

(if (and (boundp 'gnus-experimental)
         gnus-experimental)
    (progn
      (setq nnmail-delete-incoming nil)
      (setq nnml-get-new-mail nil))
  (setq nnmail-delete-incoming t)
  (setq nnml-get-new-mail t))

(setq nnmail-spool-file 'procmail)
(setq nnmail-split-methods nil)
(setq nnmail-keep-last-article nil)
(setq nnmail-use-procmail t)
(setq nnmail-procmail-directory "~/spool/")

(setq gnus-fetch-old-headers t)
(setq gnus-summary-make-false-root 'adopt)
(setq gnus-thread-ignore-subject t)
(setq gnus-thread-hide-killed t)

(when (not (fboundp 'defcustom))
  (setq gnus-group-line-format "%M%S%p[%L]%5y: %(%g%)  %uC
"))

(defun gnus-user-format-function-C (params)
  "Return the Comment field of a group"
  (if (boundp 'gnus-tmp-group)
      (let* ((comment1 (gnus-group-get-parameter gnus-tmp-group 'comment))
	     (comment2 (if (consp comment1)
			   (car comment1)
			 comment1)))
	(if (null comment2)
	    ""
	  (concat "(" comment2 ")")))
    ""))

(setq sc-auto-fill-region-p nil)
(setq sc-citation-leader "")

(if gnus-use-tm
    (progn
      ;(setq mime-editor/transfer-level 8)
      ;(setq-default mime-editor/transfer-level 8)
      (remove-hook 'gnus-article-display-hook
		   'gnus-article-de-quoted-unreadable)
      (setq mime-editor/split-message nil)
      (add-hook 'mime/editor-mode-hook 'mime-editor/set-transfer-level-8bit)
      (setq mime-editor/signing-type 'pgp-elkins)
      (setq mime-editor/encrypting-type 'pgp-elkins)))

;;; (add-hook 'mail-citation-hook 'gnus-inews-remove-signature)

(setq steves-smtp-nntp-headers '("^[A-Za-z][-0-9A-Za-z]*:"))

(defun steves-article-highlight-headers ()
  "Hook for coloring news post and mail send buffers."
  ;; (setq message-font-lock-keywords steves-smtp-nntp-headers)
  (turn-on-font-lock))

(defvar gnus-mail-save-file-suffix ".spool"
  "Suffix to append to mail save names")

;;; (setq gnus-mail-save-name (function gnus-spool-save-name))
(setq gnus-split-methods nil)

(defun steves-gnus-expiration-function (newsgroup)
  "Function containing expiration intervals."
  (cond ((string= newsgroup "XYZ") 5) ;; [CENSORED]
	;; [CENSORED]
	(t 'never)))

(setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function 'steves-gnus-expiration-function)
(defun steves-nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook ()
  "Wipe out damned annoying, obnoxious, and ugly mailing list subject tags.
The Final Solution!"
  (let ((group (car (car group-art))))
    (if (not (string-match "callamer.test" group )) ;; [CENSORED]
	nil
      (let ((dest "")
	    (src (cond ((string= group "callamer.test") "\\[test\\] *")
		       ;; [CENSORED]
		       (t "I'm A Stupid Blathering MSDOS MORON!!!"))))
	(save-excursion
	  (save-restriction
	    (goto-char (point-min))
	    (if (re-search-forward "^Subject: " nil t)
		(progn
		  (narrow-to-region (gnus-point-at-bol) (gnus-point-at-eol))
		  (if (re-search-forward src nil t)
		      (replace-match dest))))))))))

(if (boundp 'nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook)
    (add-hook 'nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook
	      'steves-nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook)
  (setq nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook '(steves-nnml-prepare-save-mail-hook)))

(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-filladapt-mode)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'turn-on-auto-fill)
(add-hook 'message-mode-hook 'steves-article-highlight-headers)

(when (boundp 'gnus-display-type)
  (setq gnus-group-highlight
	(cond 
	 ((not (eq gnus-display-type 'color))
	  '((mailp . bold)
	    ((= unread 0) . italic)))
	 ((eq gnus-background-mode 'dark)
	  `(((not mailp) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "ForestGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((zerop unread) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Blue" nil nil t nil nil))))
	 (t
	  `(
	    ((and (not mailp) (<= level 3)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "ForestGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (not mailp) (eq level 4)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "DarkGreen" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (not mailp) (eq level 5)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "Red" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (eq level 1)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "DeepPink3" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (eq level 2)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "HotPink3" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (eq level 3)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "dark magenta" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (eq level 4)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "DeepPink4" nil nil t nil nil))
	    ((and (eq (car method) 'nnml) (> level 4)) .
	     ,(custom-face-lookup "DarkOrchid4" nil nil t nil nil))
)))))

(setq message-from-style 'angles)
;(setq user-mail-address "Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com>")
(setq user-mail-address "steve@miranova.com")

(if (not running-xemacs)
    (setq message-signature '(concat "steve@miranova.com baur\n"
				     (emacs-version)))
  (setq message-signature '(concat "steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
\"Bill Clinton is a bore.  He doesn't have a creative bone in his
body.\"  -- David Brinkley\n")))

(setq message-default-headers
      "X-Url: http://www.miranova.com/%7Esteve/
Mail-Copies-To: never
X-Face: #!T9!#9s-3o8)*uHlX{Ug[xW7E7Wr!*L46-OxqMu\\xz23v|R9q}lH?cRS{rCNe^'[`^sr5\"
 f8*@r4ipO6Jl!:Ccq<xoV[Qz2u8<8-+Vwf2gzJ44lf_/y9OaQ`@#Q65{U4/TC)i2`~/M&QI$X>p:9I
 OSS'2{-)-4wBnVeg0S\\O4Al@)uC[pD|+
Fcc: ~/spool/sent.spool
")

(setq mail-host-address "miranova.com")


-- 
steve@miranova.com baur
Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.
"Bill Clinton is a bore.  He doesn't have a creative bone in his
body."  -- David Brinkley

--Multipart_Thu_Nov_21_19:03:13_1996-1--

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From: mansur@pc.jaring.my (Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs,gnu.emacs.gnus,news.software.nntp,alt.usenet.offline-reader
Subject: How to use leafnode local news spool
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 03:20:52 GMT
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Message-ID: <3296183a.11717210@news.jaring.my>
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SENDER: xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

I am using Caldera Linux upgraded to 2.0.18. I'm only connected
occasionaly to the Internet via PPP to my ISP.

I've setup a local news spool and local NNTP server using
leafnode. And at this point in time I have setup the environment
variable 'NNTPSERVER' to point to localhost, sice using NNTP even
locally makes GNUS starts slowly when it looks for the active file.

What I would like to do is instead of GNUS asking the NNTP server
for articles, I would like GNUS to read articles directly from the
local news spool on the hard drive. For information my local news
spool is at /var/spool/news. I've setup my .emacs to point to
/var/spool/news BUT Gnus still look in /usr/spool/news.

Que: What is the correct way to specify the local news spool
         directory in my ~/.emacs

Sometimes after mucking around with the statement 'gnus-select-method'
I did managed, ONCE, to get GNUS use the local spool. HOWEVER this
time the summary group buffer doesn't show number of articles
available or read. GNUS complains that it can't find the active file.

I'm quite new to Linux in general and especially GNUS. So If anybody
can points out to me THE BEST way to setup local news spool (anything
other than leafnode?) and let GNUS use it is ver much appreciated.

TIA
-------------------------
Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir
mansur@pc.jaring.my

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From: Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: Journal package available?
Date: 21 Nov 1996 20:29:55 -0800
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SENDER: xemacs-request@cs.uiuc.edu
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu

Couldn't find anything by searching the elisp archives, so I thought
I'd ask around.

Does anyone have or know where I can obtain a journal package for
emacs/XEmacs?  I know all about the diary package, and I don't think
it does what I want it to do for a journal, although it works great
for calendar and appointment management.

What I'd like to do is be able to do something along the lines of:

M-x insert-journal-entry
{calls up a buffer with a time and date stamp inserted at the top.  I
now begin typing random thoughts, progress I've made on projects,
things I want to consider later... etc. etc. etc}

M-x save-journal
{saves the journal file... it *could* share a format with the diary
package as it exists already, I like the full featured-ness of it}

M-x review-journal
{loads the journal into a buffer, read-only.  Alternatively, could
preface it with C-u and it would prompt for a date or a regexp search
for entries}

M-x print-journal
{does what you think}

The date *and* time-stamp granularity is important.  I'd like to be
able to see the TIME stamps especially, so that I could track my
entries however I chose.  Since I seem to have a problem REMEMBERING
everything I do for those stupid status reports every month, this type
of functionality helps me keep track.  Right now I do it pretty much
all manually, but I think if there's an elisp package for it I'd like
to pretty my manual method up.  If anyone's familiar with the
diary/journal format under brief/crisp, that's similar to what I'd
like to see.

I'd also really like to keep it separate from my calendar information
(my ~/diary file).  I'd accept a nudge in the right direction if the
current calendar/diary packages could be made to operate this way
also, as long as I could keep the two separate.

If it doesn't exist, I'll take a swing at writing it myself but first
I'd like to make sure I'm not reinventing anything.  I would imagine
that I could use a LOT of the stuff out of the calendar packages, as
well.

TIA!

-- Gary F.

-- 
"God is dead."  -- Nietzsche
          "Nietzsche is dead." -- God

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From: chihin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chi Hin Chui)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
Subject: solve fonts problem
Date: 22 Nov 1996 06:36:18 GMT
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Hi,

I had the same problem, and it drove me crazy for a long time. Someone on
this newsgroup finally answered my question.

On the Options menu, make sure that.

OPTIONS:MENUBAR APPEARANCE:FRAME LOCAL FONT-MENU

is NOT checked. If it is, any font changes you make will only be changed
in
that frame, and not globally.

Now reset your font to what you want.

OPTIONS:SAVE OPTIONS

Restart Xemacs

If this still doesn't work (it didn't for me), take a look at your .emacs
file. Mine had a bunch of stuff in it that I got from a sample file
(sample.emacs I think). Apparently something in there that reset some of
the Context colorization overrode my font settings. What I did was start
with a blank .emacs file, and just pasted in stuff that I knew what it
did,
and that I wanted it. My simplified .emacs file let me resest the font
with
the options menu successfully.

Note that OPTIONS:SAVE OPTIONS puts a few lines in your .emacs file that
loads the file .xemacs-options that should also have been created. You can
take a look at that file to see what's happening, although there is a lot
of stuff in it! 

Good luck!

-Chris

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> Newsgroups: comp.emacs.xemacs
>
> I have some trouble to setting the Fonts in xemacs . Select the fonts
form
> the Options menu , then I select the "save options " to save it .
Howvever
> , when I restart the xemacs the xemacs next time , the Fonts does not
> change . So I add two lines in the ".Xdefault' file :
> 
> Emacs.default.attributeFont:
> -*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1
> 
> Unfortunely , it still doesn't work .

That should be *one* line:

  Emacs.default.attributeFont:
-*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1

(or put a backslash at the end of the first line:

  Emacs.default.attributeFont:\
    -*-Courier-Medium-R-*-*-*-180-75-75-*-*-ISO8859-1
)


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From: Allan Cochrane <Allan.Cochrane@soton.sc.philips.com>
Subject: Re: Journal package available?
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Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:

> Does anyone have or know where I can obtain a journal package for
> emacs/XEmacs?  I know all about the diary package, and I don't think
> it does what I want it to do for a journal, although it works great
> for calendar and appointment management.

There is a package called 'plod' (Persnonal LOg Device[?]) which may
do what you want. It's primarily a Perl script but there's an emacs
frontend to it as well. You can get plod to prompt you to make an
entry every <n> minutes or you can do it yourself. Every entry is time
stamped.

Plod was written by Hal Pomeranz <pomeranz@aqm.com> but I don't know
if he's still there.

Here's the header for the emacs code:

;; Plod sending commands for Emacs.

;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to
;; the Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.

;; Suggested addition to .emacs:
;; 	(load-library "plod-mode")
;; 	(plod-alarm-on 60) ; once an hour
;;
;; When you are tired of PLODding use "M-x plod-alarm-off"
;; 
;; Alternately, use "M-x plod" whenever you want to log something.
;; 
;; paul@ascent.com (Paul Foley)	Wednesday January 20, 1993
;; paulh@harlequin.com (Paul Hudson) Later in 1993 (I forget when :-)

I can't seem to find the Perl code, I wrote a similar program using
Perl/Tk instead.

Hope this helps.

Allan

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
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Subject: run-lisp in XEmacs

i'll quote the info manual, File: xemacs.info, Node: External Lisp,

info> To run an inferior Lisp process, type `M-x run-lisp'.  This runs
info> the program named `lisp', the same program you would run by
info> typing `lisp' as a shell command, with both input and output
info> going through an Emacs buffer named `*lisp*'.

typing M-x run-lisp, from a buffer in lisp-mode, i'm told "(No match)"
in the minibuffer

what am i doing wrong?

tia
                                                                gb

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Brady Montz (bradym@cs.arizona.edu) wrote:
> Basically, if I've run gnuattach and at some point type a C-g while nothing is
> running, gnuattach exits. However, xemacs still thinks it has a frame on that
> tty and so I've now got xemacs and my shell writing to the same tty and it's a
> total mess.

I've noticed this behavior too.  This is probably an XEmacs bug, since
it should notice that gnuattach exited and destroy the frame.

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In XEmacs, the functions in `post-command-hook' are *not* executed if
the interactive command exits with an error.  To which hook should I add
a function which should be executed regardless whether the command exits
with an error (in Emacs, I *can* use `post-command-hook' for this)?

If there is none, I definitely prefer Emacs' behavior.

P.S. You should state the following (from the info pages) also in the
docstring: 

 - Variable: post-command-hook
     The editor command loop runs this normal hook after each command.
     (In FSF Emacs, it is also run when the command loop is entered, or
     reentered after an error or quit.)  At that time, `this-command'
     describes the command that just ran, and `last-command' describes
     the command before that. 

-- 
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| 18.11.96, Oscar Figueiredo <Oscar.Figueiredo@di.epfl.ch> comp.emacs
| >>>>> "Erik" == Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no> writes:
| 
| 
|   Erik> [...] `append' (and `nconc') has to traverse the list every time you
|   Erik> append some value to the list.  that is, for a list N long, they need
|   Erik> to do N `cdr's.  when N grows, we find that the upper bound on the
|   Erik> execution time is proportional to N.  that is, `append' has order N,
|   Erik> written O(N). in contrast, `cons' is O(1), 
| 
|   Erik> [... very interesting contents follows ...]
| 
| This  post is great, is there some manual available online discussing such
| performance considerations ? I write some Elisp myself though I did not learn
| Lisp at school and was not aware at all of these differences.

Yes, I'm maintaining lisp page that will contain any performance 
tips or timing I may do with lisp.

    ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-code.html 

If someone does other timings with elp.el please post the
lisp example code used and timing information.

/jari

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| 19.11.96, Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic@srce.hr> comp.emacs
| Erik Naggum (nobody@naggum.no) wrote:
| > do it in two steps.  first, `cons' all the elements onto the head of the
| > list in the while loop.  second, `reverse' (or, `nreverse') the list when
| > you return it.

[Talk about O(n) and other mathematics]

Just for fun I timed some cases with elp.el. Notice, that
these are not exact time values in seconds, but they give you a
approximation of what Hrvoje talked about.

The section is soon available in

    ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/ema-code.html

The elp.el support functions are also provided in the doc.

/jari


    Which way is faster to add to list?

        If I want to append things to a list, should I do it with append or
        with nconc or cons? Note that nconc works only if the initial
        list is *non-empty*, that's why we have to initialize it in the
        first time with *if*.

            (setq list nil   x t)


            (defun t-1 ()           ;;  Traditional nconc
              (if (null list)
                  (setq list (list x))
                (nconc list (list x))))

            ;;  Using the append
            (defun t-2 () (setq list (append list (list x))))

            (require 'tinylibm)

            ;;  Howabout my library functions?
            ;;  1) uses append as the t-2 with if case
            ;;  2) uses cons with added if case
            ;;
            (defun t-3 () (list-add list x))
            (defun t-4 () (list-prepend list x))

            (loop-for 0 500                         Elapsed
              (t-1)                                  0.7
              (t-2)                                 11.2
              (t-3)                                 13.7
              (t-4))                                 2.5

        Wow! If you have lage data structures, the nconc definitely speeds
        up thing by factor 10 - 20. The t-2 and t-3 functions perform
        almost the same because they both use *append* function

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From: giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it>
To: xemacs@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: run-lisp in XEmacs, is it a bug in the info file?
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giacomo boffi writes:
 > i'll quote the info manual, File: xemacs.info, Node: External Lisp,
 > 
 > info> To run an inferior Lisp process, type `M-x run-lisp'.  This runs
 > info> the program named `lisp', the same program you would run by
 > info> typing `lisp' as a shell command, with both input and output
 > info> going through an Emacs buffer named `*lisp*'.
 > 
 > typing M-x run-lisp, from a buffer in lisp-mode, i'm told "(No match)"
 > in the minibuffer

investigating, i found that run-lisp was not added to the autoloading
commands in loaddefs.el, while commands like run-scheme, run-prolog,
etc were

shell> cd /usr/local/lib/xemacs-19.14/lisp/prim/
shell> gzgrep -n "'run-" loaddefs.el.gz /dev/null
shell> loaddefs.el.gz:5186:(autoload 'run-prolog "prolog" "\
shell> loaddefs.el.gz:6965:(autoload 'run-ediff-from-cvs-buffer "ediff" "\
shell> loaddefs.el.gz:8785:(autoload 'run-scheme "xscheme" "\

so i had a look where run-lisp is defined (in comint/inf-lisp) and
finally found:

comint/inf-lisp> ;;;jwz: ilisp is better, don't ###autoload
comint/inf-lisp> (define-function 'run-lisp 'inferior-lisp)

it seems to me that we have a bug in the info file, as i, reading
info, understood that run-lisp is a generally available command

regards
								gb

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Plod can be found at http://hpux.ee.ualberta.ca/hpux/Users/plod-1.6.html


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Jari Aalto (ssjaaa@uta.fi) wrote:
>         If I want to append things to a list, should I do it with append or
>         with nconc or cons? Note that nconc works only if the initial
>         list is *non-empty*, that's why we have to initialize it in the
>         first time with *if*.

This is not true.  Change (nconc list (list x)) to
(setq list (nconc list (list c)))
and nconc will work always.

>         Wow! If you have lage data structures, the nconc definitely speeds
>         up thing by factor 10 - 20. The t-2 and t-3 functions perform
>         almost the same because they both use *append* function

Why didn't you try 'push + 'nreverse?

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mansur@pc.jaring.my (Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir) writes:

> Que: What is the correct way to specify the local news spool
>          directory in my ~/.emacs

(setq nnspool-spool-directory "/var/spool/news"
      nnspool-lib-dir "/usr/lib/news"
      gnus-select-method '(nnspool ""))

Or something like that.  This is all covered in the manual.

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>>>>> "giacomo" == giacomo boffi <boffi@rachele.stru.polimi.it> writes:

giacomo> i'll quote the info manual, File: xemacs.info, Node: External Lisp,

info> To run an inferior Lisp process, type `M-x run-lisp'.  This runs
info> the program named `lisp', the same program you would run by
info> typing `lisp' as a shell command, with both input and output
info> going through an Emacs buffer named `*lisp*'.

giacomo> typing M-x run-lisp, from a buffer in lisp-mode, i'm told
giacomo> "(No match)" in the minibuffer

giacomo> what am i doing wrong?

ilisp is a nicer mode for running inferior lisp.  However, what I need
to do to use run-lisp is:

(require 'inf-lisp)
(setq inferior-lisp-program "gcl")
M-x run-lisp

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>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Smyth <smyth@phish.eas.gatech.edu> writes:

Scott> The error is misunderstood library references (given below).  The
Scott> Xaw and Xaw3d libraries do not seem to work - I pulled off the most
Scott> recent RPMS and loaded them onto the Sparc.

 ...
Scott> EmacsManager.o        -llw -lXaw3d -lXpm -lcompface -ljpeg -lpng -lz    
Scott> -lXt -lSM -lICE  -lXext -lX11                   -lncurses          
Scott> -lgdbm  -ldb      -lm  -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtn.o        
Scott> /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so: undefined reference to `XmuCompareISOLatin1'
 ...

All of the undefined symbols are defined in the libXmu.so library, but
I don't see it on the command line.  Do you have libXmu installed
properly?
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From: Trey Jackson <trey@cs.berkeley.edu>
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jari wrote:
 >     Which way is faster to add to list?

 >         If I want to append things to a list, should I do it with append or
 >         with nconc or cons?
-!snip!-
 >             (loop-for 0 500                         Elapsed
 >               (t-1)                                  0.7
 >               (t-2)                                 11.2
 >               (t-3)                                 13.7
 >               (t-4))                                 2.5

 >         Wow! If you have lage data structures, the nconc definitely speeds
 >         up thing by factor 10 - 20. The t-2 and t-3 functions perform
 >         almost the same because they both use *append* function

Look,
adding anything to the end of a list is going to take
O(n) time where n is the length of the list, and simply
cons'ing something on the front of a list takes constant time O(1).

I don't really buy into elp's timing results b/c I constructed
similar tests - ran them 10K times each - and did thiat three times.
One set of results said the function call alone took twice as
long as a function call with an append inside of it - obviously
not possible.  Another set of results reported just the opposite.
I don't know much about elp, but it's accuracy is not very good.

As far as jari's results:

The functions: t-1, t-2, t-3, t-4 are all O(n) !!!!

t-1: nconc cdr's down the list - of length n.
t-2: append cdr's down the list
t-3: the hidden 'member function cdr's down the list
t-4: the hidden 'member function cdr's down the list


Not to mention that all t-x functions are destructively
modifying the list 'list.  So each time around the list
keeps on getting bigger and bigger and bigger.


In other words,
the results are bogus, bogus, bogus.

1) the test was written poorly (e.g. the fcns share the same list)
2) the results were presented inaccurately (e.g. t-4 is not just cons)
3) elp's accuracy is in question (as noted in the package itself)


That's why it is important to understand the language you program in.
Don't blindly assume that a primitive runs in constant time.


anyway...


TJ

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mansur@pc.jaring.my (Mansuriatus Shahrir Amir)
> I'm quite new to Linux in general and especially GNUS. So If anybody
> can points out to me THE BEST way to setup local news spool (anything
> other than leafnode?) and let GNUS use it is ver much appreciated.

If you want to use leafnode, do _not_ read the files directly from the
spool.  Leafnode's readership detection won't work correctly if you
do.

There are several other programs, suck and slurp are the most common.

I use leafnode with gnus and have no problems with performance.  Try

	(setq gnus-read-active-file nil)

if the startup isn't fast enough.

Btw, since you say write GNUS: Don't even think about using gnus
version 4.  Gnus 5.2.something is what you need.

--Arnt

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Hrvoje Niksic (hniksic@srce.hr) wrote in comp.emacs.xemacs:
:>Brady Montz (bradym@cs.arizona.edu) wrote:
:>> Basically, if I've run gnuattach and at some point type a C-g while nothing is
:>> running, gnuattach exits. However, xemacs still thinks it has a frame on that
:>> tty and so I've now got xemacs and my shell writing to the same tty and it's a
:>> total mess.
:>
:>I've noticed this behavior too.  This is probably an XEmacs bug, since
:>it should notice that gnuattach exited and destroy the frame.
:>
The problem is with the tty initialisation. If XEmacs has a controlling tty,
strange things happen only if gnuattach is run from that tty (i.e. gnuattach
won't work correctly at all.  On all other ttys XEmacs (and C-g as well) works
flawless.
If XEmacs hasn't a controling tty, the tty display code isn't initialised
rightly and so gnuattach will break on C-g.

	Helmut

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From: Erik Naggum <nobody@naggum.no>
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Subject: Re: Elisp basics (was: condition-case)
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* Trey Jackson
| That's why it is important to understand the language you program in.
| Don't blindly assume that a primitive runs in constant time.

I hate to point this out, but Jari Aalto's understanding of Emacs Lisp is
barely better than my cat's.  I have _never_ seen anybody misunderstand
anything so much and be so incredibly stubborn about defending his failed
understanding.  do not take Jari Aalto's advice on Emacs Lisp.  there is no
reason to think he will _learn_ anything at all about how it works, either.

I have posted a rather long article in response to Hrvoje Niksic's
question.  I have also made a few patches available to provide much better
timing functionality.  see ftp.naggum.no:/pub/emacs/run-time.el and .patch.
(if you can port the builtin function `run-time-statistics' to systems that
don't have the `getrusage' system call I'll be very happy.  once we get
that, this can be distributed with Emacs.)

#\Erik
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From: Frossie <frossie@jach.hawaii.edu>
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Subject: Multiple blank lines
Date: 22 Nov 1996 10:36:44 -1000
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Is there a function that will squeeze mutiple blank lines in a
buffer to just one ? I keep thinking there is but I can't
find it :-)

And while I am at it, is there a function that will pad out the
rest of a line with a given character up to some line length ?

(actually I can do both of the above by running a perl script
on the buffer, but it would be more elegant to do it from Lisp)

Frossie
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From: Paul Furnanz <paulf@wv.mentorg.com>
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Subject: Re: Java mode too slow!
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>>>>> "Neil" == Neil J O'Neill <njoneill@kapu.llnl.gov> writes:

 Neil> Perhaps some real emacs hacker can show us how to automatically
 Neil> deactivate the func-menu package when java-mode is active.  Or is
 Neil> there a func-menu (or should it be method-menu?) package that
 Neil> works with Java?

(setq fume-function-name-regexp-java nil) ; Too slow in Java....
(require 'func-menu)

--------
Paul Furnanz                       Phone:  (503) 685-7000 (ext.1731) 
Mentor Graphics Corporation        Email:  paulf@wv.mentorg.com 

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From: Vladimir Lobak <vels@vdo.co.il>
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How do i make tab indent with spaces instead of tab characters ?
The problem is that i set the tab-width to 4 and when i open 
file in some other editor the indentation is a mess.

--
#include <disclaimer.h>
html *address(void) 
{ return Vels == (mailto:vels@vdo.net | http://velsov.vdo.co.il/~vels);
}

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Subject: Check out InfoDock Associates new web site, http://www.xemacs.com.

If you are interested in commercial support or development for XEmacs (or
some other variant), you might want to take a look at this.

The site has a number of interesting features, including the structure in the
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There is a "Manuals" link on the home page that contains HTML versions of the
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Hello! I've got an exasperating Xemacs 19.14 problem...

Xemacs will:

	1) Run from the console as root (no x-windows).
	2) Run from X only if I have a PPP connection, or
	    if I telnet onto my machine as another user and 
	     run xemacs from that account.
	3) If I have no PPP connection, it just hangs.

	I've set up my /etc/hosts, host.conf, and resolv.conf as
recommended, but am having no luck finding the problem.

	Any ideas?
	My machine is a linux box, xemacs compiled with gcc 2.7.2, 
libc-5.4.11, and the new X 3.2.
It compiles fine!

Thanks, Larry
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From: "Steven M. Waldstein" <stevew1@concentric.net>
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:02:22 +0000
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For some reason when I use VM inside XEmacs I get different behavior
when reading some mail.

After I invoke VM I get a new frame with the INBOX summary at the top.

As I go thru me e-mail some messges appear in the bottom buffer and some
appear in a new frame? This new frame is buried until I go looking for
it.

When I want to delete or act on a message it is confusing since I must
click the cursor on the INBOX frame to select it and then on the Delete
button in the VM frame. A simple D doesn't work in the new frame.

What's going on here? This seems to be new behavior since 19.14
Is there a variable to set/unset to make it work the way it did in 19.13

Thanks in advance,

Stevew

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From: neppius@walrus.megabaud.fi (Jukka Neppius)
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Subject: [XEmacs-19.14 bug] Device full, but no error message!
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Xemacs 19.14 doesn't always give error message "IO error writing file:
No space left on device" when it should.  If there is 1 kB space left
in file system and I save 2000 B file, I get no error message.
Naturally only first 1024 bytes are written to disk. Even if file
system is completely full no error message is given.  Only if file is
much bigger than space available, Xemacs gives above error message.

Tested with Linux kernels 1.2.13 and 2.0.24, Slackware 3.0 and 3.1,
DOS and ext2 file systems.  I installed Xemacs from source
distribution.


- Neppius@megabaud.fi



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From: jamesk@COMPSTAT.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU (James Kuczmarski)
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Subject: colors in lisp mode
Date: 23 Nov 1996 13:25:49 GMT
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I am trying to get the colors to work in lisp mode. I had it working for an 
instant but then I screwed it up.  Can abyone help??

James


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Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.
 
 The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months.
 think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more.
 That's ... because it WORKS !  So I thought, all those new users might
 make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago.  Besides,
 whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on
 coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted.
 Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from
 AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you.

 Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail!  I couldn't
 believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks!  At first only a few
 hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By
 the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came
 from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the
 up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough
 left over for a nice vacation for me and my family.

 Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well.  Markus
 Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made
 $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only
 $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they
 say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a
 similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but
 one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in
 this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet
 their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe,
 legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps:

STEP 1.

Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces
of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In
this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for
a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside
each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five
addresses:

 1-  Fern Suarez
     Mallorca 112
     Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917
 
 2-  Philippe
     2104 De Mexico
     Chomedey, Laval
     Quebec, Canada     
     H7M 3C6    
     
 3-  Natalie Jansen
     Lancveldlaan 18
     5671 CN Nuenen
     Holland
  
 4-  Chad Collier
     2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49
     Placerville, CA  95667  

 5-  Steve Boltinghouse
     1009 Bird St.
     Hannibal, MO  63401

STEP 2.

    Now remove the top name from the list, and move the
    other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on.
    Put your name in as the fifth one on the list.


STEP 3.

    Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at
    least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time.
    Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember
    the more groups you post to, the more people will see your
    article and send you cash!


STEP 4.

    You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing
    returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new
    and huge. There is no way you can lose.
 
    Now here is how and why this system works:
 
    Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses.
    Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or
    money orders, but real cash with your name at #5.
 
    Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250
    additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On
    average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at
    #4,....$50.00 in your pocket!
 
    Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your
    name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500.
    They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000
    postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash!
 
    Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at
    #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off
    the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250
    postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000.
 
    From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list,
    you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again.

		The end result depends on you. You must follow through
		and repost this article everywhere you can think of.
		The more  postings you  make, the more cash ends up in
		your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!!

    So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it
    works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all
    day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net
    every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper.
    So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play
    fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out
    right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep
    an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is
    playing fairly. You know where your name should be.

    If you're really not sure or still think this can't be
    for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it
    along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see
    what happens.


    REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T
    NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS!
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL
    WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH!

*** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages
with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people
already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this
and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent
the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had
over $10,000!

		TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!!  :o) !!!!!!!!!!

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bye, lele.
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From: zeller@ips.cs.tu-bs.de (Andreas Zeller)
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Justin Gordon (justin@mcm.com) wrote:

> Does anybody know what causes this sort of problem in the dbx window?
> The same thing happens if you do 'man' from within a shell or use
> 'more'. This is driving me crazy. Also, any suggestions for .emacs or
> .dbxrc for using dbx within XEmacs?

> --More--
> # If you routinely use both newer and older releases of dbx, you might
> --More--
> # wish to retain your .dbxinit file and add uses of new functionality to
> --More--
> # a .dbxrc file which `sources' your .dbxinit.  There is an example of
> --More--
> # how to do this at the end of this help topic.
> --More--

In DDD (http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/softech/ddd/), we have had similar
problems with DBX; they were eventually `solved' by setting the
environment variable PAGER to 'cat'.  Hence, the following ~/.emacs
entry might help:

    (setq process-environment (cons "PAGER=cat" process-environment))

If someone finds another way to make DBX shut up, please let me know.

--
Andreas Zeller           Technische Universitaet Braunschweig, Germany
                         zeller@acm.org http://www.cs.tu-bs.de/~zeller

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>>>> Thus spake 'Allan Cochrane (Allan.Cochrane@soton.sc.philips.com)':

 AC> Gary.Foster@corp.sun.com (Gary D. Foster) writes:
 >> Does anyone have or know where I can obtain a journal package for
 >> emacs/XEmacs?[snip]

 AC> There is a package called 'plod' (Persnonal LOg Device[?]) which may
 AC> do what you want.[snip]

Here's a reference to plod I found using Yahoo:

Article 6045 of comp.lang.perl:
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From: pomeranz@imagen.com (Hal Pomeranz)
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Greetings, PLOD enthusiasts!

Your humble author is releasing this latest version in preparation for
LISA VII (the paper I just submitted reads in part, "The latest
version of PLOD was recently submitted to comp.lang.perl").  Not a
whole lot has changed since the last public release.  I've added
support for a system-wide /etc/plodrc file, and a customization
mechanism for the time/date stamp since most of the world uses
DD/MM/YY instead of MM/DD/YY.  The log file format is still the same,
so no worries on that score.

I'd also like to take some of your experiences with me to LISA.
Please email any PLOD success stories, humorous anecdotes, or death
threats to me, and I'll include a few of the choicer ones in my
presentation.  Please let me know if you specifically do not want your
name or your organization's name mentioned-- otherwise everybody gets
full attribution.

I'll also be setting up a PLOD archive in the near future on
gatekeeper.imagen.com (161.33.3.1) in the directory /pub/plod.  I plan
to keep a copy of the very latest version in this directory at all
times.  I'll also keep things like my LISA presentation and Paul
Foley's Emacs mode for PLOD in here as well.


-- 
Brad Howes                          Motorola E-Mail ID: XBH001
EMT Development                     SMTP E-Mail: bhowes@cssun3.corp.mot.com
Motorola Corporate - MD H1780       Voice: 602 441 1522  Fax: 602 441 5455

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Steve R Burgett writes:
> des@corp.netcom.net.uk (Des Herriott) writes:
>> > Heh... mine is 17,861 bytes.
>> > 
>> > Uh oh... is this the start of a "mine's bigger than yours" thread?
>> 
>> Seems to be.
>> 
>> Mine's 33207 bytes.  And it spans 5 separate files.  And I haven't
>> even counted .xemacs-options.  So there.
>> 

> 48023 bytes in 8 files, not counting .xemacs-options and other files
> that I didn't write.

I've just finished creating my 1-megabyte .emacs.

However, after the first 200 lines, there are only blank lines.

:-)

It was very easy to do: just type C-x ( C-n C-x ) C-u 1048576 C-x e

:-)

Sorry, couldn't help writing this!

-- 
Alexandre Oliva
mailto:oliva@dcc.unicamp.br
Universidade Estadual de Campinas, SP, Brasil

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Stephen Bowlzer <Steve.Bowlzer@durham.ac.uk> writes:

> Looking in the PROBLEMS file included with AucTeX revealed that I needed 
> easymenu.el (or auc-menu.el renamed as easymenu.el). I tried both of these 
> files and get the same error messages, namely;

No you don't.  You need to get _rid_ of any easymenu.el or auc-menu.el
in your path, and use the easymenu.el bundled with XEmacs 19.14
instead.

Use

	M-x locate-library RET easymenu RET

and 

	M-x locate-library RET auc-menu RET

to find the files, and then delete them.

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Vladimir Lobak <vels@vdo.co.il>
> How do i make tab indent with spaces instead of tab characters ?

(setq c-basic-offset 4)

You may also want to set c-tab-always-indent to nil, so tab will
reindent only if it is a the beginning of the line.

--Arnt

